Canada's Elections Commissioner gives up chasing an Internet rumour, after spending millions of tax dollars trying
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The federal election commissioner finally gives up chasing an internet rumor after spending millions of tax dollars trying to find out who planted a fake news story on the internet. Why should others go to jail when you're not the only one who needs to be corrected?
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Hey Rebels, what do you think fake news is? I think it's in the eye of the beholder, but
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the government of Canada thinks that they should investigate anything on the internet that's just
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Tonight, the federal elections commissioner gives up chasing an internet rumor after spending millions
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of tax dollars trying. Why did he do it? It's July 19th and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
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Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
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There's 8,500 customers here and you won't give them an answer.
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The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my
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I want to tell you a ridiculous story so obviously it's about Trudeau's government. I want to tell you
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about some fool's errand, a wild goose chase of some bureaucrats spending your money to track down
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what was obviously a joke, a rumor on the internet. It reminds me of this classic cartoon headlined
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duty calls. Someone out of frame, as in his wife, says, are you coming to bed? And the man at the
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computer says, I can't. This is important. And she says, what? And he says, someone is wrong on the
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internet. That's pretty funny because it's so true and you will never be done correcting what's wrong
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on the internet. And you yourself are probably, in someone else's view, the wrong one. And you need
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to be corrected. And that's the beauty of being a free person. You can disagree. But the liberals
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tried to hunt down someone who was wrong on the internet. And it didn't work out very well for
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them or you and me, the taxpayers. Look at this headline from my favorite independent news source
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in Ottawa called Black Locks. Fake news probe collapses. The federal commissioner of elections
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yesterday collapsed a first ever fake news investigation. The office confirmed foreign individuals
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planted a false story to discredit new Democrat leader Jagmeet Singh, but could not find out who
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was responsible or why. Fake news. I love that word when I use it. And I hate it when others use it.
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Which is what everyone says, because of course, we all think that we know what's real news.
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Our point of view is usually what we're talking about. And we all know what's fake. Our opponent's
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point of view. And they say the same about us. It's just a pejorative way of pointing out
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a difference of opinion most of the time. I mean, sometimes news really is fake. And we can all
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agree that it's fake. Before the age of the internet, we got our fake news in the form of
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supermarket tabloids. Look at this one. Look at these. Literally fake news. Often hilarious
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fiction posing as fact. Bigfoot. Conspiracy theories. Outright jokes. Alien Bible found. Photoshop
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pictures. Outrageous allegations. I'm not quite sure why those tabloids did so well.
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Did people actually believe them? Did they just read them for a laugh? Were they an escapist
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fantasy? I don't know. But my point in mentioning them is hopefully obvious. We all survived as a
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society with those supermarket tabloids. And you know what? No one denounced them or banned them or
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deplatformed them. There were no campaigns to have supermarkets ban the tabloids. We didn't have
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government investigations of those fake news. We all laughed at them. Some of us bought them.
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Must be if they lasted for so long. No big deal. So why shouldn't it be allowed? I mean, I suppose
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there might be some defamation. I suppose calling a president an alien from Mars or you saw that Dick
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Janie's a robot. Maybe that's technically defamation. But really, who would care? No one
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would ever sue. Elvis Presley spotted on Mars, people. But look, this is from a UK tabloid called
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the Daily Star. But now it's on the internet too, obviously. So is that fake news? Well, yeah. But
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look, it's an entertainment, right? I mean, it's goofy. It's obviously not really Elvis. I don't think
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they were actually pretending it was Elvis. They're just pointing out something in a photo that looked
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like Elvis if you squinted hard enough. That's goofy. Slightly less goofy, but still goofy and fake
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are the lobbyist panels on CBC and CTV. They literally pay lobbyists to come on TV to talk
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about politics. They have a conservative lobbyist and a liberal lobbyist, all the lobbyists to debate,
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but those lobbyists never disclose who their clients are. So it's not real political commentary.
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It's fake. They're, I don't know, promoting their clients or their clients' interests, or
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they're sucking up to the government to get access for their lobbying clients, or they're just
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advertising to prospective clients about how connected they are to get more clients. I actually
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think those lobbyist panels on the CBC state broadcaster and the CBC CTV wannabe state broadcaster
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are just as fake news as the Elvis story. But that's the nature of the internet. It's wild. It's
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unregulated. But we're used to that as people. Have you ever seen a bulletin board in a
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public community center or a college campus, or even on the wall of a local coffee shop?
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You have everything and anything posted there, from guitar lessons to meetings of political
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groups to little rants about life? It's unregulated. It's natural. It's human. And we love it. And if
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we don't, we ignore it. So what? So fake news is as old as the printing press. It's older,
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of course. Fake news can be oral, too. I remember reading stories about censorship in the medieval
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ages. And people were actually prosecuted for telling jokes about aristocrats. That could
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actually happen today. I recall one case, though, where someone who was prosecuted for laughing at
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a joke. That's pretty interesting. And the Human Rights Commission's are bringing that back.
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I was doing all that research when I was investigated by the Human Rights Commission.
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My point is, you know, we can handle freedom, but the urge to censor is centuries millennia old.
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Can you give me one more minute on fake news in the edge of the internet before I get to the news
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today? I mean, underneath that Daily Star story I showed you about Elvis on Mars,
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it was an editorial story. That was written by a journalist, right? And you can see the pictures
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that they say is Elvis on Mars. It's funny. But you see there's a bunch of ads, obviously,
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lots of ads on the right-hand side there. And these are ads now. Those ads, that's an ad.
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They're pretty well targeted. They know who their customer is, people looking for unusual news,
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right? So look at that photo of Air Force One. Now, you know that's a fake, right? I mean,
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you know that. Air Force One was never put on a barge like that. But who wouldn't want to look at
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that fun picture? That's sort of goofy. Did that happen? And here's a story about celebrities,
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and there's something about Ontario pensioners. And there's all these, you know, it's a UK tabloid,
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but they can tell that when I went there, I was from Ontario. So they personalized their ads for
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Ontarians like me. It's weird and wonderful, and it's full of BS. And I bet it all gets clicks,
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whether for laughs or curiosity or boredom or whatever. You know that Air Force One was not
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on a barge like that. Here's the Daily Mail, another great UK tabloid. I could do this with
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Canadian papers too, US websites, but the Brits are the best at tabloids. This story here is hilarious.
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It's about a shaggy dog that went paddling. I mean, that's not even news, people. But so what?
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It's fun to look at. And scroll down, look at the ads underneath. It's a story about a shaggy dog.
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But the website must know I'm Canadian because it has these terrifying pictures of Celine Dion.
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But can you see? That's an ad. Now, is that photoshopped? Or is that real? Does it really
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matter? I mean, is it news or is it an ad? Some of these stories are news. Some are marked as ads.
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This is an ad. But they're all fun, I think. None are really serious. It's supermarket tabloids.
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It's your right to read them. If you don't want junk food like that, you can eat your spinach
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and read just the New York Times or the other proper papers. But don't think you won't be
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getting their spin and their choice of weird stuff too. It's wonderful and terrible to have so many
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choices. And it's better to have those choices than to have the government choose for you. And
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thank you for listening to me talk about fake news for a while because I want to show you
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an ad, a junk ad, like the ones I've been showing you, like those junk ads about Celine Dion.
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Now, the junk ad I'm about to show you appeared in the independent newspaper in the UK, which
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I think is actually a fairly snobby, reputable newspaper. It's not a supermarket tabloid.
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I think I'd call it serious, actually. It's leftist, of course, but they all are over there.
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So it's a real story on the left there. But on the right, do you see that picture? Those
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pictures are all ads, right? You can see the credit card ad. But in the middle, it's an ad.
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And it's marked as an ad, but it shows Jagmeet Singh with the yellow turban on. And he's a very
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handsome man. And it says, Jagmeet Singh shows off his new mansion. Now, it's not actually true. If
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you click through that, it didn't actually show you his mansion. It was a tabloid story. It was fake,
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like the Elvis story. It was clever, though, because it only served up that ad to Canadians,
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even though it was a UK newspaper. Had it been a reader from Italy, I don't know, maybe it would
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replace Singh with some Italian politics. He was just trying to get you to click.
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Now, saying that Jagmeet Singh had a new mansion, and they actually showed a picture of a mansion
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that wasn't his, and they claimed it was, that's not really a crime. It's not really defamation
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either, other than maybe some people would say, hey, Jagmeet Singh, you're a socialist,
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but you're a hypocrite living in a $5 million mansion. But, you know, in fact, he really is
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rich and glamorous. He's a millionaire, and he's married to a millionaire. And here's a story in
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Toronto Life magazine, and I'm just going to quote, he owns two Rolex watches, an Oyster Perpetual
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Datejust, and a Submariner. Both were gifts. A crimson BMW coupe, and six designer bicycles.
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I have just an absurd number of bikes, he said, more than one person should have.
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Singh has become one of the city's most devoted partygoers, a regular at King West nightspots
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and gala fundraisers, at fashion shows and Raptors games. He's a jet setter. I mean,
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these are pictures. Here he is having himself photographed shopping in Europe. So yeah,
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it was fake news about the mansion, but it's true that he's rich, and he's a show-off, and he's a
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clothes horse, and he loves designer bicycles. But the bikes are just for show. He drives a
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fancy BMW. So right now you're thinking, okay, so what? Me too. So what? Okay, so someone is wrong
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on the internet. I can't come to bed. You see, someone's wrong on the internet. You know, someone
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said he has a fancy mansion, but it's actually not $5 million. It's $2 million or whatever it is,
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but he's got a BMW. I mean, you're not going to correct everything on the internet.
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But Justin Trudeau's election commission actually, get this, get this, get this.
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They actually engaged in an international manhunt for the people who put up that fake news ad and
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others about Jagmeet Singh like it. It was an international manhunt of the kind that chased
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Pablo Escobar. Here, let me read from the CBC story at the time. They were really excited
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about this manhunt, and I'll tell you why in a few minutes. NDP asks elections watchdog to
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investigate slanderous ads targeting Singh. Ad claims NDP leader owns a multi-million dollar
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mansion. By the way, the average house in Toronto costs a million dollars, I hate to say.
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Now, for some reason, they didn't ask Elections Canada to investigate that big show-off article
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in Toronto Life where he boasts about his BMW and his jet-setting lifestyle. So I guess that wasn't
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slanderous. Let me read some more. The NDP is asking Canada's election watchdog to immediately
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launch an investigation after a series of ads claiming Jagmeet Singh lived in a multi-million
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dollar mansion popped up online in the lead-up to the Burnaby South by-election later this month.
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As the TIE first reported, an ad claiming Singh owns a $5.5 million mansion ran below a story in
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the Vancouver Courier, a community newspaper. That link took articles to an article titled
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13 Super Luxurious Celebrity Houses. They surely know how to spend their fortune on the website
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Attorney Cocktail. Oh, okay. Now, folks, just a professional tip from a friend. If you're getting
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your information about the world from a website called Attorney Cocktail, that might be your first
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clue that you're just getting junk. Let me read some more in a letter to Commissioner of Elections,
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Yves Coté. The NDP's Director of Operations, Jesse Streen Calvert, writes that the parter is very
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concerned about the slanderous ads and asks Coté to investigate possible breaches of the Election Act.
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These patently false statements are damaging to our leader, our party brand, and most importantly,
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threaten the free and fair election currently underway, reads the letter obtained by CBC News. I wonder
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how they got that. These advertisements are clearly false and are intended to affect the outcome of
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the upcoming election. Yeah, no. I think the reason Jagmeet Singh is going to lose the next election
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is because he's a socialist and he's empty and he's always under-informed. He's terrible in interviews.
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He's always vague and wishy-washy about so many things. The only things he's passionate about are the
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ones he's most wrong about. He wants to shut down the oil sands. He's unpopular or wrong. He's a weak
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campaigner. And he's a radical leftist. And that's why he's going to lose. Not because a website called
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Attorney Cocktail had some clickbait ad with a picture of a handsome Jagmeet Singh and a slightly
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provocative headline. But still, this was big news to the left. A left-wing lobby group called the
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Thai. Now, they would call themselves a news site, but I know that they're funded by the
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Thai Foundation. So to me, they're about as credible as a supermarket tabloid, but they
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think they're the New York Times. You see how this works. So they were really excited about this
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investigation. I'll tell you why in a moment. Here's what they reported a few months back. They
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said, the commissioner responsible for ensuring the Elections Act is followed has been investigating
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the origins of the ad for months. According to the website Blackbox Reporter, which shared documents
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has obtained in the Freedom of Information request with the Thai. The documents show investigators
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sought a judicial order requiring Taboola, the company that hosted the ad that appeared on the
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website to the Vancouver Courier, the Independent, the History Channel, and likely others, to produce
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information about the advertiser and campaign. But it wasn't a political ad, people. It just used a
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political name and a handsome picture as clickbait just to get you to go to their site. It's just to
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drive ad revenue. It wasn't a campaign ad. And the ad was brokered through different ad server
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companies. It wasn't an attempt to influence the election. It was an attempt to get bored people to
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click on a handsome picture and throw some mansion talk around. But our government spent months trying
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to track it down in foreign lands. And hey, good luck with that, guys. I got a few other things on
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the internet. Maybe you can help me chase down. So they finally gave up. And here's today's story
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from Black Locks, which has done great reporting on this. They say, the federal commissioner of
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elections yesterday collapsed a first ever fake news investigation. I told you that. The office
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confirmed foreign individuals planted false, a false story to discredit. New Democrat leader
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Jagmeet Singh, but could not find out who was responsible or why. Individuals outside Canada
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played a key role in the creation and dissemination of the advertising, wrote Milen Gijoux, director of
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investigations for the commissioner. However, despite our best efforts, it has not been possible
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to determine the identity of the person or entity that paid for the advertising. I'm just going to read a
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little bit more. M.P. Singh earlier complained the investigation appeared slow, though cabinet
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proposed to spend millions to combat a feared influx of fake internet postings and foreign meddling
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in the October 21st general election. What we're seeing right now is not strong enough, Singh told
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reporters. It's not satisfactory in terms of making sure people know their news is reliable. We've got to do
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better. Just one more line. There was an attempt to interfere in a way with that by-election, said Singh.
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The measures being put forward are not as robust or as strong as Canadians expect and need. We need
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to strengthen that with harsher penalties, stronger oversight, and a much more active way to actually
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tackle fake news. I'm not coming to bed tonight, honey. There is someone wrong on the internet.
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Say, do you really think that little ad, probably seen by maybe a few hundred Canadians,
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probably not seen by a single person in that little by-election area. Do you really think that's
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why, I mean, just to pick another by-election, do you really think that's why Jagmeet Singh's NDB
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came in third in the Nanaimo by-election? Do you think maybe that's why? Do you think you could find
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a single Nanaimoite who recalls seeing that ad, let alone says it caused them to change their vote?
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No, that's making excuses like Hillary Clinton did for why she lost Wisconsin and thus the
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presidency. But why is everyone so excited about this? Why is everyone pretending that the 2019
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version of those supermarket tabloids is so important? Why is the NDP, the Tides Foundation
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funded TIE newspaper, see, I call them fake news. They'd call me fake news. Vive la différence.
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Why is the liberal election commissioner, why are they all so hung-ho, gung-ho, about investigating
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someone who was wrong on the internet, about hunting down a website called Attorney Cocktail?
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Oh my God, all the kids are going to Attorney Cocktail to learn about Nulana. Well, I think
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it's obvious, right? They're not worried about Attorney Cocktail. They're not worried about
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supermarket tabloids talking about Elvis, fake news. What they're doing is they want to normalize
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censorship, normalize the government going on hunts for who said what and for the government to
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determine what's politically acceptable and not. And they don't care about a claim that Jagmeet Singh
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lives in a $5 million mansion. He probably does, by the way. He's a rich clothes horse who rubs his
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money in your face every day. He's got a BMW and you don't. He has custom-made suits and you don't.
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Yeah, he's not embarrassed by his wealth. He brags about it. He's not worried about people saying he's
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got a $5 million house. He probably is thrilled about that. But he and Trudeau and most of the
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media, by the way, what they do care about is they care about the idea of creating scares about
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unregulated ideas on the internet. They love creating a moral panic about online news, about fake news,
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because once it's normalized for Trudeau's handpick appointees to investigate and prosecute people who
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are just wrong on the internet in the name of political hygiene, well, hey, who do you think
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they're going to go after? I'm not talking about defamation or crimes. We already have laws for those.
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I'm talking about this new Trudeau-appointed partisan elections officer, a political cop,
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going after things he says are fake. They don't care about attorney cocktail.
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They care about censoring your Facebook posts, your Twitter posts. They care about conservative
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websites like our friends at TNC.news or the Post Millennial or about Canada Proud or the Rebel.
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That's what this is about. They're warming up attorney cocktail. They're coming for me
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and then they're coming for you. Stay with us for more.
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Welcome back. Well, sometimes troubled people indulge in fantasies and that's fine. Sometimes they
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say there's something they're not. That's fine. I could say I'm the king of Spain. Doesn't make it so.
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Sometimes fellas say they're girls and you know what? It doesn't bother me. I don't want to pick on
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someone who has challenges in life, thinks they're a woman trapped in a man's body. Until very recently,
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that was called a mental illness until a small political committee of the American Psychiatric
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Association decided otherwise in a vote. I didn't know medicine was decided by votes. But since then,
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there's been an explosion in transgenderism. And again, my point of view is that these folks are very
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troubled. In fact, various studies show that men who are transitioning to become women, when they finish
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that transition, either through surgery or through hormones and chemicals, it does not stop the
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problems. And in fact, the suicide rate for transgenders, male to female, is about 50 percent and it grows to
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60 percent, the attempted suicide rate. They find no comfort in having mutilated themselves with the aid of
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doctors and the political system. I tell you all this because of a terrible thing that's been happening
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in Vancouver. A man named Jonathan Yaniv decided that he was in fact a woman and that he would call
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himself Jessica Yaniv. But he still has his twig and berries, or at least his berries. And as so many
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transgender men do, they want to prove to the world that they are in fact women. And they prove it by
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forcing other people to confirm that they're women. There was a terrible case at the Vancouver Rape
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Relief Institute where a transitioned man, transgender man, said, I demand to be allowed
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access to the rape shelter to counsel rape victims. I demanded. And he sued them because he knew that
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was a place men were not allowed. And it was a form of therapy for him to have access to the real women
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because then he would have proof that he was a real woman. I'm sorry, that's mental illness and that's
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abuse. Back to Jonathan Yaniv. He has a strange hobby of calling up estheticians, women who wax the
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genitalia of other women. It's a girl thing. And signing up for appointments. And then after he has an
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appointment saying, ta-da, I'm a transgender man to woman, but can you give me a wax on my meat and two
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veg? Can you wax my wedding tackle? Can you do to me as a man transgender what you do to women?
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And of course, they do not want to do so. They either regard it as too intimate an act. They didn't
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sign up for waxing a man. They feel tricked. They are not trained in that. Or they're culturally or
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morally offended by it. And they say no. And so time and again, Jonathan Yaniv takes these women,
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many of the minority women, newcomer women, immigrant women, who are earning a living this way,
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and he takes them, not to a court, because a court would throw him out and wag their finger at him
00:23:42.480
and say, shame on you for attempting to expose yourself sexually to these women. No, he takes them
00:23:48.400
to a kangaroo court. What I've always said is the worst kangaroo court in Canada, the BC Human Rights
00:23:56.460
Tribunal. Not once, not twice, not three times, but again and again. It's like he's going through the
00:24:01.860
Yellow Pages, contacting every esthetician in the city, and tricking and trapping them.
00:24:09.860
And bizarrely, until just two days ago, he managed to do all of this in the Human Rights Tribunals
00:24:18.360
in secret. He actually managed to get the Human Rights Tribunal to put a publication ban
00:24:25.880
on his name, almost as if they were helping to hide his identity so he could sneak and trap
00:24:34.180
other estheticians. Well, that press publication ban was finally lifted, and joining us now via Skype
00:24:40.360
is the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms, John Carpe, who is representing one of these
00:24:48.660
estheticians. Welcome, John. Did I more or less accurately describe what Jonathan Yaniv is doing
00:24:56.120
to immigrant women throughout the Vancouver area?
00:25:07.060
And the Justice Center represented two women back in 2018. And in both cases, as soon as Yaniv
00:25:16.520
found out that the women had legal counsel, he withdrew the complaint. The Human Rights Tribunal
00:25:24.320
actually took a dim view of his pattern of withdrawing the complaints. So there were three hearings
00:25:32.240
that took place in July of 2019. And our staff lawyer, Jay Cameron, was in Vancouver. And on
00:25:39.720
three separate hearings for three separate women, he represented the women. And we're now waiting
00:25:48.880
for a human rights tribunal ruling on these three cases. And as you said, it is a very intimate
00:25:56.980
service. We actually had somebody on Thursday, July 4, on the first of the three hearings, we had an
00:26:04.180
expert witness testify. And this lady runs a salon for men in Vancouver, who want to have this Brazilian
00:26:15.080
bikini wax. It's called a manzillion or a brozillion, I'm told. And this woman testified before the Human
00:26:21.880
Rights Tribunal that this is a very different procedure. It requires different wax. It requires
00:26:27.900
specialized training. So not only were these 14 women not willing to wax male genitalia, but they're
00:26:37.660
also not qualified, not trained and not competent to do so. And that's evidence that's now before the
00:26:43.680
tribunal. Well, that raises the obvious point. If there is an esthetician in Vancouver, who will do
00:26:52.520
this, who is trained to do this, who makes money off this and has staff who are ready to go, why would
00:27:01.640
this man go to 14 women who don't do it, who don't want to do it, for either moral or technical reasons?
00:27:11.840
Why would he go to 14 women who don't want to touch his junk, instead of the one who says, hey, yeah,
00:27:20.840
Well, one of the arguments that Yaniv raised, and I don't, obviously, I don't, I don't speak for Yaniv,
00:27:28.700
but the argument is that the, under BC law, because the BC Human Rights Code prohibits discrimination on
00:27:36.920
the basis of gender expression and gender identity, Yaniv's argument is that under the law, Yaniv is
00:27:44.380
a woman by identifying as such. Therefore, Yaniv ought to be able to go to a women-only place.
00:27:56.540
In fact, Yaniv has stated that Yaniv attends a female-only gym, and I guess the gym allows that.
00:28:05.840
I'm not aware of that being a court case or anything. But that seems to be the argument is
00:28:11.840
through the Human Rights Code, recognizing gender identity and gender expression, if you're a woman,
00:28:20.420
according to the BC Human Rights Code, then you ought to be treated as such. And so Yaniv is advancing
00:28:27.880
this argument that Yaniv has a human right to have male genitalia waxed by female estheticians who
00:28:42.100
Yeah. Well, John, what you've done there is you've given me his legal excuse for it,
00:28:47.680
and that's sort of obvious. He's trying to make the case as offensively and abusively as I could
00:28:54.060
possibly imagine it being made, that he has the right to do this. Actually, the only thing worse
00:28:58.580
would be that case of the Vancouver Rape Relief, where a man insisted on having access to rape
00:29:06.780
victims. That's even grosser than Jonathan Yaniv. But my question was actually a little bit different,
00:29:12.760
and maybe give me a try. And I know you can't speak for this creep, but he's saying I should legally
00:29:20.880
be allowed to. I get that. That's his argument. He's trying to change the law. But why wouldn't
00:29:26.420
he, just as a personal choice, go to the person in town, this expert you referred to, who's willing
00:29:34.120
to do it? Like why? I know you're saying he's arguing he has the right to do so, but why would
00:29:41.600
he do so? I mean, is the answer that he's trying to offend people, that he's trying to have some sort
00:29:48.160
of psychotherapy by, if he can do something that he knows only women are allowed to do,
00:29:54.400
it makes him feel like a real woman? Is it that he's trying to destroy societal notions of men
00:30:01.840
or women, or is he just generally an asshole? Well, the BC Human Rights Tribunal released an
00:30:10.300
interim decision on May 30th, just dealing with some procedural issues. And the BC Human Rights
00:30:18.320
Tribunal in that ruling said something to the effect of that transgender women have a right to
00:30:27.840
gender affirming care. And so that Yaniv's complaint should be taken very seriously. They didn't really
00:30:36.320
tip their hat as to whether they're going to rule for or against Yaniv, but they did say that it's a
00:30:42.760
real issue that transgender women should have access to gender affirming care. So...
00:31:01.440
Oh, care. Okay. I didn't hear that last word. See, I understand what people say when they say
00:31:06.780
tolerance. Tolerate someone different. You may not like something, but you can tolerate. I'm a fan
00:31:13.120
of tolerance. Then there's acceptance. I get that. There's respect. I get that. I think we're moving up
00:31:22.780
in orders here. Affirming. Gender affirming care, if that's what you said. So now I don't have to
00:31:31.740
tolerate something. I don't have to accept it. I don't have to just respect it. I have to affirm
00:31:38.820
them. I have to say what they're doing I must be a part of now. And of course, I'm some guy in
00:31:49.800
Calgary who doesn't do that sort of thing. But we're talking about, and all these 14 cases,
00:31:54.540
is it accurate to say they're all immigrant women or they are in the main young immigrant women who
00:31:59.320
come to Canada and he's basically a predator seeking them out? It's all women and they're
00:32:07.700
The majority of them are immigrants. And I think you hit upon a good point there that there's a
00:32:13.600
distinction between a man or a woman dressing up as the opposite sex, claiming to be the opposite
00:32:22.520
sex, identifying as the opposite sex. All of that is part of freedom of expression. If Yaniv was being
00:32:28.940
prosecuted or persecuted by a government telling Yaniv, well, you must use a male name and you're not
00:32:37.360
allowed to wear female clothing. I would go to bat for Yaniv's right to freedom of expression and say,
00:32:42.960
you can express yourself as you wish. And it goes both ways, whether it's a woman identifying as a
00:32:50.800
man or man identifying as a woman. It's one thing to express yourself. And in a free society, we have
00:32:57.020
to be tolerant of expression that we might find offensive. But it's quite another to use the law to
00:33:04.240
coerce somebody to affirm that which you believe, right? So it's one thing for a guy to claim to be
00:33:13.940
a woman. It's quite another to say everybody else has to also pay lip service to that notion and go
00:33:20.640
along with it. And I think this was a point Jordan Peterson hit upon when he was testifying against
00:33:26.260
putting gender identity, gender expression into the human rights legislation, because that would coerce
00:33:32.580
the use of honorifics, Mrs., Ms., Miss. And it's a state coercion that's the issue. I mean, it's one
00:33:42.500
thing to be polite. And as a matter of politeness, you choose to perhaps refer to somebody with the
00:33:51.340
gender pronouns that that person wishes to be referred by. That should be an optional thing
00:33:56.220
that people can choose to do or not. It becomes a problem when you have state coercion.
00:34:02.280
Yeah. You know what? I have so many bad memories coming back to me now of the Human Rights Commission,
00:34:08.100
because the Human Rights Commission and the tribunal in British Columbia, similar to that in Alberta and
00:34:12.700
Ontario and federally, was designed originally, if you believe the original framers of those laws,
00:34:18.540
to be a shield to protect individuals, not to be a sword to attack individuals. And this creep
00:34:29.960
is using and abusing the human rights law as a sword to go after 14 women. And basically,
00:34:40.260
in the 70s, we'd call him a streaker or a flasher. In the New York subway, someone's wearing a raincoat,
00:34:50.520
and they go, ta-da, and they're naked underneath, and they run away. That's essentially what he's
00:34:54.560
doing. But instead of running away out of shame, he's walking right in the front door and say,
00:35:02.120
all right, ladies, get busy waxing. I know this is a ladies' aesthetic shop, but I'm a lady,
00:35:09.260
and if you don't agree with me that I'm a lady, I'm going to sue you. I don't understand why women's
00:35:16.200
groups or immigrant aid groups, or let alone Christian or Sikh or Muslim groups, I don't know
00:35:23.560
the ethnicity of these women, why they're not pushing back. Is there anyone else coming to these
00:35:29.660
aid of these immigrant women other than you, John? Well, to her credit, Megan Murphy, who is one of the
00:35:37.560
leading Canadian feminists, she has a website called Feminist Current, and she was actually
00:35:44.820
barred from Twitter, removed from using Twitter, and that was at the behest of Yaniv. Yaniv complained
00:35:51.920
that this feminist, Megan Murphy, had said something along the lines of,
00:35:57.380
trans women are not women, or trans women are men, men are not women, some comment to that effect,
00:36:07.180
and Yaniv persuaded Twitter to ban Megan Murphy. Lindsay Shepard, tragically, was also banned from
00:36:15.320
Twitter for referring to Yaniv as a man. So Twitter is a problem, and the media have boycotted this to a
00:36:24.080
large extent. It's only in the past week or so that we're getting some media, not the CBC, but some
00:36:30.560
other media are starting to write about the case. In spite of the fact that we had public hearings
00:36:35.020
in Vancouver that were open to the public and the media, of course, we had public hearings July 4th,
00:36:42.400
July 5th, not a single media person was present. And I think the reason is that this hurts a left-wing
00:36:50.660
progressive narrative about human rights and political correctness. The media do not want to
00:36:58.280
report on this because it shows how the human rights laws have been twisted and perverted and
00:37:05.140
taken to a place where they should never go. And Yaniv effectively makes a good case as to why we need
00:37:10.900
to reform the human rights proceedings, and that's not something that the media want to cover on.
00:37:16.320
Well, John, first of all, thank you for being there. And it sounds like you're representing
00:37:21.580
two, is it? Two of these women who were abused?
00:37:25.440
A total of five. And I have to interject, I have to tell you as well, one of our clients
00:37:31.440
tried, approached 26 different lawyers and law firms seeking help to defend against Yaniv's complaint.
00:37:41.060
Now, some of them had good reason for turning her down. They said,
00:37:43.540
we don't practice in the area of human rights law. So we don't really know what we're doing.
00:37:47.640
So you should go find somebody else. But amongst the 26, many of these lawyers and law firms said,
00:37:52.920
we will not represent you because we fear the wrath of the powerful transgender lobby. And we don't want
00:38:02.040
our name drawn into, you know, being called hateful and transphobic and bigoted and all the name-calling.
00:38:09.760
Unbelievable. Absolutely believable. You know what? It reminds me of when we were trying to get a lawyer for
00:38:14.880
Tommy Robinson. The first six law firms in a row said, no thanks. And literally, I had to find a lawyer whose
00:38:22.280
website said he represented war criminals, John. And I called them up. Jonathan Grimes was his name.
00:38:28.500
I said, your website says you represent war criminals. Can you represent a citizen journalist?
00:38:33.740
They had a firm meeting and they said, fine. So maybe there's some war criminal lawyer in Vancouver
00:38:39.520
who said, well, you know, I only have, I only represent people who commit genocide and actual Nazis.
00:38:47.000
I'm not going to represent an immigrant woman who doesn't want to touch Jonathan Yaniv's junk. I'm so frustrated
00:38:54.400
to hear that. But let me say this. I'm glad you took the case. And I happen to know where I was on July 4th
00:39:00.000
because that date rings by. I was actually in the United Kingdom that day covering Tommy Robinson's latest trial.
00:39:05.900
So that's where I was. And I know some of our staff, I mean, we only have five reporters.
00:39:11.140
But I promise you we'll cover any future cases. Are there more cases like this coming?
00:39:17.080
The ones, there's a few more hearings. Some of the women have been terrified into shutting down
00:39:22.920
their businesses. We actually have tried to contact all 14, or at least the ones that we were able to
00:39:30.360
find out the name of the woman or the name of the business. We've tried to contact all of them.
00:39:35.160
In some cases, there's no more phone number. There's no more website. It's been a horrific
00:39:40.380
process for our clients. 14 families now are in poverty. 14 immigrant women are thinking,
00:39:48.340
why did I come to Canada? John, I promise you we will cover these in the future. But I want to talk
00:39:54.660
about one last thing. And please let me know when the next hearings on any of these cases are.
00:40:00.140
But there's one thing that I mentioned earlier. Until a couple of days ago, the identity of
00:40:07.140
Jonathan Yaniv was a secret, a court-ordered secret. And I want you to tell me why that was.
00:40:16.500
Why did the courts agree to keep this predator's name secret from other women who ought to have been
00:40:24.840
warned about him? It's Yaniv presented to the, going way back, Yaniv, Yaniv filed the complaints back in
00:40:35.620
the spring of 2018. Yaniv claimed that having the full name out there would hurt his, would hurt Yaniv's
00:40:47.000
business. And however, about 10 days ago, within the past 10 days, Yaniv on Twitter admitted to being
00:41:00.000
the complainant. And only at this point did the tribunal step in. We drew that to the tribunal's
00:41:06.060
attention. And it was the Justice Center that applied to lift the anonymization order. And we presented to
00:41:13.740
the tribunal, Yaniv's public comments to the effect that Yaniv is the complainant in these cases. But prior
00:41:20.800
to that, Yaniv has a very prominent public profile on the internet. And it was our submission to the
00:41:29.200
tribunal that there were not valid grounds to make this anonymous. In part, because one of the pillars of our
00:41:38.740
court system is transparency and openness, and that we do not have secret proceedings, right? Secret
00:41:46.000
proceedings is what you have in dictatorships and police states. So an open, transparent courts process,
00:41:52.600
including for human rights tribunals. So we did eventually persuade the tribunal to lift that
00:41:59.020
anonymization order. But what really tipped the scale was that Yaniv said publicly that Yaniv was the
00:42:05.940
complainant in these human rights proceedings. Well, it's a disgrace and a shame upon the human
00:42:11.360
rights tribunal that they would have kept it secret in the first place. Part of litigation is
00:42:16.220
accepting the fact that you are going to the government to ask for some sort of relief, in this
00:42:20.920
case, to have the government act as a sword to spear these women to do so secretly. I mean, there are
00:42:27.840
some cases where we give secrecy if there is a minor child involved, for example, or if there's a
00:42:36.220
national security secret. But this is a political extremist who was looking to hide his shameful work,
00:42:44.720
and he surely knew it. That's a disgrace. You know, John, in British Columbia, there's another case right
00:42:49.600
now where a father has been ordered by the court not to refer to his daughter as her or she,
00:43:00.480
to anyone. And in fact, the lawyer for this father has been ordered to do the same thing. Now, we
00:43:07.620
interviewed this father, and because it's so absurd to call a girl he, he accidentally called her she a
00:43:14.040
few times. And the judge has actually demanded that the lawyer ask us to take that video down.
00:43:20.740
So it's not just the extreme bizarreness of transgender activists. It's that they want to
00:43:27.460
cover their tracks and ban people from thinking and talking and debating and ban people on Twitter
00:43:32.580
and have it secret. That is the sign of a deep rot in our legal system. And I am horrified to hear
00:43:40.680
how far this went, and that you are the only one standing with these 14 abused women.
00:43:47.960
The trans ideology is very aggressive. And I will defend to the death the right of anybody to
00:43:56.680
promote that ideology, to speak it, to try to persuade other people of its truth. But, you know,
00:44:04.360
this is just one of those issues where people are missing the forest for the tree. Because,
00:44:12.000
you know, whether it's Islamophobia or transphobia or homophobia, you've got a problem where free
00:44:19.160
speech gets curtailed in the name of not hurting people's feelings and in the name of some higher good.
00:44:26.720
the government never attacks your rights and freedoms without putting forward what is claimed
00:44:33.840
to be a good reason for doing so. And so the trans transgender lobby is is extremely powerful.
00:44:40.800
And the only thing to do is for people to to resist and speak the truth and and not be intimidated by it.
00:44:48.720
And that holds true, whether it's a trans lobby or anything else, you simply have to continue to speak
00:44:56.640
the truth as you see it or the truth as you believe it and not be intimidated. And that's that's a daily
00:45:03.440
job for everyday citizens to carry out in their lives. It's not just leaders of organizations or public
00:45:11.600
interest lawyers that they need to do that. Yeah. I am so angry. And I regret that I was out of the
00:45:18.480
country during that hearing. And I know the rest of our team is so busy every day. But I assure you,
00:45:24.560
John, that we will cover this case going forward. And I can assure you, as God is my witness, I swear
00:45:33.760
that I will go to prison rather than have some court tell me, as they told that dad, that I have to call
00:45:42.160
a girl a boy or a boy a girl. I you know, it's it's straight out of it's straight out of Orwell.
00:45:51.440
How many fingers? How many fingers am I holding up? Say it's three. Say it's three. I will not say
00:45:58.240
it's three if it's two. And that is where we are in Canada. And John, you're the only one standing
00:46:03.360
between us and that. And I would encourage all our viewers to go to jccf.ca. That's your website,
00:46:09.920
right? Yes. Learn more about the case and chip in because you like us don't take a dime from
00:46:16.720
government. You're just that's right. You you rely on grassroots people. And we like what you do,
00:46:22.160
John. And in the past, we've crowdfunded for you. I know we've sent you some money over the over the
00:46:27.120
years. If there's anything here that we can do on the crowdfunding side, you can send we can talk
00:46:33.120
after the show. Because boy, I'm mad about this. And I bet our viewers are too.
00:46:38.560
Well, we appreciate any donations. And we we issue official tax receipts as well. We're a registered
00:46:44.240
charity. Right on. Well, that's jccf.ca. John, I'll let you go. I've kept you so long. Thanks for
00:46:49.760
fighting the good fight. Thanks for having me on your show. All right. There you have it. John Carpe,
00:46:54.400
he's the leader of the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms. And you heard the
00:47:01.120
story. He's in there fighting for these immigrant women and the right not to have to,
00:47:07.680
what was the word, affirm Jonathan Yaniv's gender expression. All right. Stay with us. More ahead on the
00:47:16.800
Trump. Hey, welcome back on my monologue yesterday about Trudeau and Scheer, both condemning Trump's
00:47:31.600
tweets. Phil writes, from personal experience, I know that many Canadians hate Donald Trump,
00:47:36.240
a sentiment whipped up by the CBC. Trudeau probably feels his electoral chances in October are improved
00:47:40.980
by continuing his attacks on Trump. I think you're right. I think it's, it's a very safe opinion to
00:47:51.620
have. I don't know if it's going to work though. I think that Canadians have fallen out of love with
00:47:57.380
Trudeau, those who were, had an infatuation with him. I really haven't met anyone who loves Trudeau, who's
00:48:04.500
not sort of on the payroll anymore, you know. There used to be all these what Lenin would call useful
00:48:09.860
idiots. I think of Paul Wells and McLean's as the perfect archetype of that. But those are the ones who
00:48:16.580
have fallen the hardest because that was a pure love they had. The only ones who still love Trudeau are
00:48:22.660
the ones he, whose love he has to buy. It feels tinny. Drew writes, I don't understand why Andrew Scheer
00:48:30.900
reckons it's a good idea to condemn Trump. It doesn't seem very smart to take a stab at Trump
00:48:35.140
for his comments on Twitter because if Scheer wins this election, and I hope he doesn't, then he would
00:48:39.540
have to deal with him. What relationship would that be? My best guess is that it will be a very salty one.
00:48:46.180
Well, first of all, let's just speak very practically. Is any Trump hater in Canada
00:48:52.900
likely to vote for the Conservatives or Andrew Scheer? I'd say no. Maybe someone who's,
00:48:58.500
I know a fair number of conservative, sort of Canadian moderates rather, who say, well,
00:49:05.140
I don't feel great about Trump. Right. But by bashing Trump, is Andrew Scheer going to get one
00:49:10.740
single vote extra? No, he will not. If you're a Trump derangement hater, it's taken for granted that
00:49:19.060
you hate Andrew Scheer and the Conservatives. In fact, Andrew Scheer and the Conservatives are less
00:49:22.180
likable than Trump. At least Trump's entertaining and not boring. So pragmatically, it's not going to get
00:49:27.460
him one more vote. And what if he wins? He's going to have this track record of stupid things
00:49:34.580
that he said about Trump he's going to have to deal with. And you know what? I think it actually
00:49:39.620
does turn off that percentage of Canadians who like Trump. It doesn't make sense. Chris writes,
00:49:45.940
Up until 12 years ago, I smoked my share of pot and was around many who did also. As I watched Justin
00:49:55.220
commenting on Trump tonight, I was absolutely sure that Justin was stoned out of his wits,
00:49:59.780
which are limited. He stumbled, hesitated, and repeated to himself, do Justin's handlers say,
00:50:04.580
smoke this and then say this? Justin should be the poster boy of how booze and pot affect your brain.
00:50:08.900
Well, let us stay away from the realm of fake news and gossip and stick just to the facts.
00:50:16.100
Fact number one, Justin Trudeau's issue that he cares most passionately about is and was drug
00:50:22.340
legalization. Fact number two, Justin Trudeau has said repeatedly that he smoked pot for decades.
00:50:28.580
Fact number three, Justin Trudeau has admitted that he has smoked pot even after becoming a member of
00:50:34.180
parliament before it was legalized even. In fact, number four, we know that he spends hundreds of
00:50:40.260
thousands of dollars on liquor on his flights. Well, now that pot's legalized, you doubt they're
00:50:45.860
smoking too? So those are the facts about Justin Trudeau. We saw that drunken wobble at that David
00:50:52.260
Axelrod event in Chicago. Do you really doubt that he's hitting the bong now? I mean, come on.
00:50:57.700
It's all he cares about and talks about with passion. I think Justin Trudeau is a drunk,
00:51:02.900
but I think he's also smoking. I think he hates his job, to be honest.
00:51:09.300
He hates the reading. He hates the bad news. He hates the fact that the world's turning against
00:51:14.340
him everywhere from China to India. He hates it. He just wants to be a mascot. And I think he's
00:51:21.460
dealing with that and his gold digging wife with booze and pot. I don't know. Is this unfair for me to
00:51:29.780
say? Well, let me tell you one thing. It's one-tenth the questioning that Donald Trump and Melania
00:51:36.020
Trump get, or even Stephen Harper and Lorene Harper. You know, Melania Trump wasn't seen in public for
00:51:40.980
a few days, and the mainstream media was going crazy. They're divorced. No, she was in the hospital, mate.
00:51:46.820
Look, I think that Justin Trudeau is not morally or constitutionally appropriate to be the prime
00:51:53.380
minister. He should have been the governor general. That would have been a good job for him, you know.
00:51:56.980
All right. Well, thanks for letting me indulge my little rant there. And that's stone-cold sober,
00:52:01.460
people. Without further ado, let me say good night to you. Have a great weekend.
00:52:08.180
I'm doing five shows next week, obviously, Monday to Friday, but I'm going to sneak in
00:52:14.260
a trip to the United Kingdom on Tuesday. Now, don't worry. I'm also going to have a show on Tuesday,
00:52:19.220
but I'm going to go to the UK. I'm doing a crazy flight there
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because I'm visiting Tommy Robinson in prison, and I'll give you a report. And you can see that
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report on a website called prisonreports.com. And I have one purpose. I'm going to say hi to the guy
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and give him a hug. But my real purpose is to make sure he's not being mistreated in prison as he was
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last time. So I'll give you a full report at prisonreports.com. If you want to help cover my
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flight, I'd be grateful you can do that there too. All right, folks, have a great weekend. We'll see you