'Cancelled' for Saying Jesus Loves You ｜ Matt Brevner on Andrew Says 25
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Matt Brevenner is a hip-hop artist and producer from Vancouver, British Columbia. He now works for Rebel News as an editor and videographer. In this episode, Matt talks about his beef with fellow Vancouver rapper Madchild, and the fallout from that beef.
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Matt Brevner is a hip-hop artist and producer from Vancouver, British Columbia. He now works
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for Rebel News as an editor and videographer. Matt Brevner, thanks for joining me. How are
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you doing today? Thanks for having me. I'm a little tired adjusting to the East Coast time
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difference. I'm running hot on coffee, but yeah, it's awesome to be here. The first thing I wanted
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to mention was how I first found out about you, which is actually obviously from the music scene.
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I think it was around 2016 or 2017, me and my friends were watching music videos and there
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was a beef you had with another Vancouver rapper named Madchild from Swollen Members. I don't know
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if I'm dating myself here at all, you guys, but that was sort of the start of when things started
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to get, I guess, kind of controversial for you, would you say? Yeah, at least publicly. I've
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always been the type to, I guess, question authority and stand up for the little guy and
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have a strong sense of justice internally. So yeah, that was kind of the first thing that really,
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I guess, I've always been a musician's musician and had a reputation for that, but that kind of
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propelled me more into the front of the Canadian hip-hop scene and Vancouver specifically, West Coast.
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Now, not to say that he had a, him and Swollen Members had a cookie cutter public image at the
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time or anything, but that sort of like exposed people to a different, more like, I guess you
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could say crooked side. Like people always thought of him, I think, and this isn't even disrespect to
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him as somebody who raps about drugs and openly talks about doing them. But as far as cheating
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people out of money, as you say, that was something that everybody started to say, hey, wait a minute,
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not only is this guy sort of exposing him, he's a good rapper as well. Do you want to give
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about some thoughts about how that actually affected your life about not being paid and everything?
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It's interesting. You know, I think the reason why it received the backlash that it did was
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that album, the Dope Sick album, the theme, like thematically, it was about redemption and turning
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a new leaf and doing the right thing. And even the song that we did together, it was a song called
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Jitters. And it's about salvation. Like it was about, it's about God. It's about God saving your life
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and like plucking you out of the darkness. And even the video, it was based around like rum runners
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from the 30s and Dutch Robinson from the Ohio players was like the in the pulpit. So I think
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that was the messaging across the whole press run and the tour. And, you know, so when this kind of
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came out that he wasn't like, for example, like when you're an opening act on a tour, you usually get
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like in the green room, you show up to the venue early, there's usually like water and food and a
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vegetable plate or whatever, because you've been driving four to eight hours to get to a venue.
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So you're parched, you know, but it was like little things like he would even like call
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the promoters ahead of time to make sure that he would just get the extra hundred bucks instead
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of making sure that all the staff had like the vegetables and stuff. Like I don't really
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want to like, you know, maybe he's a changed person. Maybe he's reformed. I'm over it.
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But the impact on my career at the time was, it was kind of heavy, you know, because it was
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someone that I grew up looking up to. And I felt like we were doing like a really amazing
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thing. We were nominated for a Much Music Award that year. It was my friends and my production
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company that did all the video work. We put up the money for the video. And it just felt
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like really, I felt really disrespected. Even at the time, Swollen was on, they're doing
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a reunion tour, they're on tour in Europe. And I still wanted to go to the Much Music Awards
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because that's like a massive achievement, especially for someone from the West Coast, because we're
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kind of historically like not like forgotten about when it comes to like the national conversation
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around hip hop music. So yeah, I thought I tried to, I reached out to SubNoise and try to get
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tickets for me and the videographer, the producer, the team to go. And they wouldn't, they wouldn't
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give us tickets or like, oh, well, Mad's not going. So you guys can't go. But then I actually
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got a phone call from a friend of mine who worked at Chum from high school. And she's like,
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hey, I have your tickets. What address should I send this to? Like, I didn't even ask her. And I
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told her like, oh, I thought we weren't invited. She's like, dude, you're nominated. What are you
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talking about? You know, so it was just like little things. I think it was like a lot of ego and a lot
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of, you know, I mean, I haven't spoke to him in, in over. It's been a long time. It's been a really
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long time. We've spoke, I sent him a, we exchanged niceties on Instagram in the last six months,
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just about, I think, Dope Sick hit a milestone. It went gold. So I reached out. I was like,
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hey, congratulations. Like, you know, through it all, like, I'm glad that I did it. But yeah,
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at the time it was really difficult because it put me in a, in a bit of a financial hole.
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And not only that, I was associated as the guy who worked with Madchild now. And so I was like,
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well, what do I do with that? So I really had, I felt like after, I felt like I got something,
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like I felt violated. I felt like I got ripped off. I got robbed. And when he started
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living off snack, who was a good friend of mine, and we were roommates actually at the time,
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it was kind of like, okay, well, retribution time, like, you know, you're not going to pay me back
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monetarily, but I'm going to now take the opportunity because you stepped out to like
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set the record straight and control the narrative. So.
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You're talking about snack. The Ripper is another rapper.
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So you mentioned your personality is always standing up for yourself and speaking out. Does
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that, do you think that's lended you to become into this news career, this news media career with
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Rebel News and, and being a cameraman and now being on camera, you're working out there with
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Dre Humphrey, the fans and the staff here love the work you guys do. Has that type of personality,
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do you feel like it's a natural progression into what you're doing now?
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It's definitely, God's had his hand on my life throughout all of this. And it's the perfect
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job that I never knew that I wanted, you know, um, because it allows me to, uh, exercise all
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of my muscles. Like I'm, I'm a very, I'm an artist by, you know, by trade and by nature. So if I'm not
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exercising that creative muscle on a regular basis, it, it weighs on my self-esteem ultimately and like
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my mental health. So to have a job that's, you know, in a field where I get to create every day
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and also partner with like-minded virtuous people who want to tell the truth and, you know, uh, represent
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and, uh, clear the underdog in a lot of cases is just so rewarding to me. And it's, uh, yeah,
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it's, it's, it's great. Yeah. I want to talk to you about some of the Vancouver politics and some
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of the stuff that's going on right now. Uh, the West coast is notoriously more liberal,
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even though it doesn't seem like there's much difference across the country. Now you mentioned
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to me off camera about the history of your parents and how that relates to what's going on now.
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Do you want to share a little bit of that with the audience? Sure. Yeah. I'm, uh, I'm Trinidadian
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and on my Trinidadian side, there's some, uh, Portuguese, there's some German, there's some
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Jewish, there's all sorts of, we're a bit of like a mutt of the Caribbean. And on my mom's side,
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we're Japanese. Um, my grandma was born in Japan in Wakayama and my grandpa was born in Canada
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in Alberta. And, uh, they were actually met in a concentration camp because not too many people
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know this, but, you know, during world war II, uh, the Canadian government decreed that Japanese
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Canadians were a threat to the, you know, to the country. They're considered them spies. So
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they rounded up all the Japanese Canadians, seized all their land, all their assets, and they put them
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into labor camps. And, you know, just the icing on the cake of these labor camps is they were actually
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charged monetarily for their, their room and board while working in these camps. So, you know,
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my, my family lost a lot of land that would be otherwise now like prime real estate when we're
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talking like, you know, tens of millions of dollars worth of land now. And it's not something
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that I, you know, I walk around like, oh, my, my lot in life is so miserable because my
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grandparents got ripped off. That's not what I'm saying. You know, I think we're all accountable
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for our own success and our own attitude and our own weight. However, this is something that's been
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ingrained in me since I was a child. Like, Hey, the government isn't necessarily as cracked up as they
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say to be. They don't always have your best interest in mind. Some of that's really crazy
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about my grandpa too is, uh, you know, he actually wanted to join the military and go overseas and
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fight. And he had his, he had to be 16, I believe. So he had his dad forge his, uh, his enlistment
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papers, his signature to fake his age so that he could go. And, you know, before he was actually
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deployed, they figured out that he wasn't of age. So he went from wanting to fight for the country to
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being locked up by the country, which is just, that's crazy. And when I talked to him about it,
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I was like, grandpa, you really wanted to go to, you know, you wanted to go to the South Pacific
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and fight. And he's like, yeah, all my friends are going. I had nothing else to do, but it was
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just like a different spirit about that generation. Um, and you know, they weren't gun owners. They
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didn't keep guns at the house, but he always told me, he's like, Hey, you know, you don't have
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anything to worry about until they start taking your guns. And he was just like, it was a joke.
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But I think, uh, it'd be very, he'd be very, they'd both be very concerned as to what's
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happening today. So maybe I'm a little bit flighty. Maybe I'm a little extra sensitive
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to, uh, overreach and restrictions. Um, but yeah, that's, that's my personal conviction.
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I've just, I'm a product of that literally, you know, and that wasn't too long ago. So
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It seems like you're talking about not having a victim mentality when you're talking about
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not walking around like you, like this is your law in life. How I mentioned, or I wanted
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to mention, and we can show a clip now of a part in a video you had with Dre Humphrey at,
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uh, it's kind of unrelated, but it was a, uh, it was an environmental march. So let's
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take a look at that clip and then we'll talk about it right after.
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And I'm going to ask one more question because you had, you had mentioned a couple of times,
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um, that power has been in, in the hands of white males essentially for too long. So do
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you believe that, that corruption is inherently a skin color issue?
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Well, it's absolutely a function of capitalism, uh, and indoctrination, um, all those subtle
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things in our society that, uh, privilege, et cetera. Well, I, I know that. I mean, I don't
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know if you can see, I'm kind of a long-haired guy. Well, well, before I retired, uh, I was,
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um, uh, you know, had a business suit and did all that and everybody called me, sir. And
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now I look like somebody who could live under a bridge.
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No, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say that. No, but I, I'm looking much more casual because
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you know, I'm, I'm Japanese and Trinidadian. Drea is black and indigenous. And, and I guess
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when we come sometimes to events like this, people don't want to talk to us. And it's
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almost like in all other situations, our, our identities are, you know, our skin color,
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our heritage matter, except when we're bringing up, you know, talking points, which people don't
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want to talk about or easy to disregard. Oh, in that you're talking about like
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intersectionality. And, uh, when people, they want to give you the benefit of the doubt
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because of the color of your skin until it comes to the past that you don't actually agree
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with them. Have you experienced a lot of that before you worked with us? Or are you talking
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about only since you've been doing news coverage?
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I experienced that every day of my life because it's, it's so like appealing, you know, to walk
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through life with this notion that something happened before you're born that is so atrocious
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and so overwhelming that it's like a, literally like a get out of jail card for everything that
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you should be accountable to. And you know, although that sounds appealing in the short term, it actually
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like robs you of your inhibition. It robs you of your identity. It robs you of your, uh, your
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self-esteem and your dignity. And it's just, it's, I think it's, it's evil. You know, I'm
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a Christian. My identity comes from who, who the Lord says I am, who Jesus Christ says I
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am in him and the rest of it is secondary. So I don't, you know, and you know, it's, it's
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in Canada as a black and Japanese Canadian outside of like my heritage or my, my national
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identity as a Canadian. I never really subscribed. I didn't feel Asian. I didn't feel black. I'm just
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Canadian. I'm just Canadian dude. So when I, I mean, you're wearing plaid, so yeah, there
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you go. Right. So I just, it all just seems like a little bit nonsensical to me. And that's,
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and this is, you know, I don't mean to sound insensitive because I've obviously, I'm literally
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like a by-product of oppressive regimes and racism and all that. And I'm not saying racism
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isn't real. And I'm not saying I haven't experienced prejudice or racism in my life. I'm just saying
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it's not, uh, you know, I was joking with my ex-girlfriend four or five years ago, I was
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joking about how like, you know, it would be very difficult or terrible to be like a straight
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white male in Canada in 2016. And she's like, you're crazy. I'm like, well, but think about
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it. Like you're like, you're muzzled. You can't, and this was then, you know, things have definitely
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like changed a lot since then. But, and I know this, like I'm, I can say things that maybe some
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people can't say just based on my skin color and my heritage, which is honestly, that's garbage.
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Like that's such a terrible thing that you should be disqualified from free thought based
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on, you know, inherent attributes that you have no control over.
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Is there a reaction that you can describe that you get when you don't agree with this
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Well, I try to not, well, this is kind of tongue in cheek, but I try to just like pull
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questions out of people. So, you know, I will just, I'll ask and allow them to get there.
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But it's really just about, you know, as a Christian, I'm supposed to be a witness to
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the Lord. So I'm supposed to love people that everybody, especially people that don't know
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him. And, you know, I, it's interesting, like, for example, the interview that we did
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with that Talikum Tom fellow, he prefaced his whole spiel on the idea that because of this
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ideology that he subscribes to the, you know, the global change, climate change, he's not
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going to have grandchildren because his son doesn't feel like it's the responsible thing
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to do to bring children into the world because he feels like the world's going to end in
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So now because of that hurt and because of that pain, he feels like the only moral and
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just thing that he can do is protest in the way that he's protesting. So it's really like,
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you know, I believe, you know, everything that we do as humans is either motivated by fear
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or love. So it doesn't, asking questions, you can figure out pretty quick where people
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are acting from. And, you know, so that's, that's all I really try to do. But I think
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I'm afforded the opportunity to ask certain questions that others can't, because you can't
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say that I don't love black people or I don't love Asian people or this or that, like, what
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are you talking about? So I think that's actually a bit of a mission statement for Drea and I,
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when we're in the field, like often, you know, if we're going to a protest and I will people
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you are like a protest and counter protest because I dress like maybe a counter protest to like
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a typical conservative, you know, or a freedom protest or what have you. I'm able to have like,
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people aren't as guarded around me. So I'm able to have honest conversations. And then when you
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have, when you have honest conversations with people, you can often, they're not guarded so
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that you can often like get them to realize what you're saying without having to, to yell them just
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by asking them, you know, and it's, it's actually like been quite a powerful tool. So I guess I'm
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grateful in that way, but it's, yeah, you can notice it in the videos, especially with Drea, how
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she's a lot nicer than I am. She's a lot more patient than I am. And then when people try
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to, you know, say she's got a certain angle or she wants to represent it some way, you guys don't
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actually do that at all. Whereas I might go out there and I might start arguing with somebody,
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you guys are there literally just to see what's going on. Yeah. So I think it throws a lot of
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curve walls. Now you mentioned being able to say certain things that may not be afforded to other
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people. That is not what happened to you before, is it? Now, are we able to show the video that you
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say got you canceled? Sure. Yeah. And we can go ahead and throw to that now.
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With so many protests happening around the world against intolerance, a homophobic sermon
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that took place in the heart of Vancouver's gay community last night sparked a strong response.
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CTV's Panadaflos reports on a scene that enraged a neighborhood.
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You guys come down here to spit that shit here? Yeah. With everything that's going on in the
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world. At the height of the conflict, tempers were running high. You want to describe to people
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what happened there? And like, for lack of a better term, it's getting canceled. And just tell us
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how the backlash was from this and what actually happened.
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Sure. I guess to give context to that clip, I have to kind of let people know about what
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happened leading up to that. So if you rewind to, I guess, June of last year, it was the beginning
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of the pandemic. Everybody was freaking out. Everybody thought that they were going to die.
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Everybody thought that the world was ending. And something that I really noticed, at least
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for myself and, you know, other Christians, you know, or people of faith that I know and
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that I love, there was a sense of calm because like for me, I was like, okay, well, the world
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shut down. Like I have an opportunity to work on my faith. I have an opportunity to work on
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my relationships, chase passions. And it was like actually like a real blessing. I felt like
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my relationship with the Lord got a lot stronger. And I was carrying, you know, this, the peace that
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that surpasses all understanding. I was carrying that with me. And, you know, people, some family
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members were like, why aren't you freaking out? And then I was like, wow, I think about there's a
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parable in, in, I think it's Mark, I believe it's Mark four. And please don't flame me on the
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internet if I'm misquoting, but I believe it's Mark four. It's a parable about Jesus crossing the
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water. And, uh, he's got all the disciples with him and Jesus is in the hall and there's
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a big storm that comes up over the water and the disciples are starting to freak out.
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They're like, uh, you know, Lord, Lord, come help us because we're going to die on this
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boat. And so, you know, Jesus says to his disciples, you have, you have no faith, you
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know, and he rebukes the storm and the, and it's all calm and they make it across and it's
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all good. But something that always like stood out to me about that passage is it says that
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there's other boats with them on the water. So there were other boats that were also in
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the middle of the storm that were freaking out, you know, and then this man comes up
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from the hall, hall rebukes the storm and then everything's good. So I feel like that's in
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a lot of ways, it's like a metaphor for what it means to carry the peace and presence of
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God with you. People should be able to like, you know, they know us by our love for one
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another. So people should be able to see you and realize like there's something different
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about you and it's, you know, it's love and peace and joy. They're, they're enticing things
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for folks. So by, you know, by that, by that metric, I felt responsible. Like I, okay, you
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know, I've always, not that I was like lukewarm, but you know, I had reserved myself for the thinking
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that God gave us all free will and I don't know how God's working and I don't know how God's
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working on certain people. So I just have to let go and let God and go about my day. But I saw for
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the first time in my life, a very practical and prudent need for the peace of God for people that
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didn't, didn't know him. So this is something that the Lord was really putting on my heart. I was
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having opportunities to have conversations with, with friends of, you know, that I've, I've wrestled
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with this, like my whole life that are staunch atheists that because of fear was bringing them to a
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place of humility where they're like, wait, maybe there's something more than all I can see with my
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eyes. So it was just such a rewarding and amazing experience. So it led to, you know, my best friend
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giving his life to, to, to the Lord and he's like a recovering heroin addict. And it was like, that was
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such a beautiful moment. So there's a, there's a, so now I'll lead, that's the preface of what was
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going on last year. I'll lead into what led me to the street that day. Um, there's a street preacher
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from Toronto, uh, called Dore Love. And he's the one who gets, who'd been arrested frequently.
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Is that the same guy? Most, most recently he's been arrested in Vancouver. And this incident was
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before the arrest. Um, but something that I really respect about the culture, not, you know, not just
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Dore specifically, but the culture about Toronto is, uh, like in front of Eaton's center, it's a bit
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of, there's, there's like, you know, there's imans, there's rabbis, there's preachers, there's atheists,
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there's Spider-Man, there's Darth Vader. Yeah. And it's like, uh, it's freedom of speech and
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conversation is encouraged. So something that I like, I started like watching Dore's videos and
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something and other evangelists and whatever else. And something that really like stuck out to me was
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it wasn't necessarily, he was talking with people from all walks of life who like clearly hate his
00:20:48.020
guts. Right. But the thing that like stuck out to me was that it wasn't, it wasn't about his
00:20:53.780
conversation necessarily with the person that he was talking to like this. It was about the 20 people
00:20:59.560
that were watching because you could see minds being changed. You could see like light bulbs going
00:21:04.400
off. And I was like, wow, that's like a really interesting thing. So, you know, I, I watched a
00:21:10.340
few of his videos. I didn't think anything of it. And I shot him a message over email. I was like,
00:21:15.080
Hey man, you know, if you're ever in Vancouver, I want to come watch. And that was it, you know?
00:21:19.420
So fast forward to a few months later, literally the day that my best friend gives his life to the
00:21:23.580
Lord, I get a random email from Dore and he's like, Hey, we're going to be at Maine and Hastings
00:21:27.620
praying for folks and handing out water bottles come through. And I'm just like, Whoa, that's like
00:21:31.880
crazy timing, you know? And I was encouraged by that because, you know, and, and not to criticize
00:21:39.780
or to stumble a brother, but I was very encouraged by the fact that this man isn't from Vancouver.
00:21:46.160
And the first place that he's going to go is to Maine and Hastings. And for those of you on the
00:21:51.180
East coast who don't know, like the downtown East side in Vancouver is notorious for prostitution,
00:21:57.840
drug overdose. It's like North America's capital for heroin addiction and crack cocaine addiction.
00:22:04.260
And it's just, it's like a C it's, it's maybe you can throw to something just so people can kind
00:22:09.040
of understand the scope of it, but it's, it's world-class. So I was, you know, I felt a personal
00:22:14.380
conviction and I don't mean to project this on anybody else, but I felt as a, like a personal
00:22:18.440
conviction that has, you know, lovers of God and children of God, we could be doing more to help
00:22:23.400
people that don't know him. So I was like, yeah, dope. The first thing you're going to do is go to
00:22:27.700
the downtown East side and pray for people and hand out food and water. I was like, that's amazing.
00:22:32.360
Like I want to go. So I went and there wasn't much preaching and, you know, it was like, it was like
00:22:37.660
really productive. You know, there's a couple of people that were like angry because whenever you talk
00:22:41.720
about anything, that's whenever you sit, nothing makes people upset. Like, you know, Jesus loves
00:22:46.480
you other than, other than maybe like, I love Trump or something. That's like a second, but
00:22:52.140
nothing upsets people like beyond the point of reason, like God loves you, you know? But at the
00:22:58.800
same time, it's like an interesting juxtaposition because in that community, they're so used to being
00:23:02.640
marginalized that just having, like just going up to someone looking in the eye and say, Hey, I see you.
00:23:08.100
What's up? How are you doing? Is like such a, it's like a life-giving moment because people,
00:23:12.920
these people are looked over, they're forgotten, you know? So that was like a really amazing
00:23:18.260
experience. And at the end of the night, I noticed this one guy who was around my age,
00:23:24.280
leather jacket, blue hair, had a really massive backpack on. And I noticed, like I was talking
00:23:31.360
to one of Doré's preacher guys and we're having a conversation. And I noticed like, he was like,
00:23:35.940
he kept like very attentively looking at us and listening to us. But then whenever I made eye
00:23:39.740
contact with him, he would look like, Oh, kind of like, you know, like very like afraid, kind of
00:23:44.920
like keep himself. So like, I went up to him and I was just like, Hey dude, like, what's up? How you
00:23:49.540
doing? And he was like, honestly, man, like, I'm not doing good. You know, I came out here from
00:23:54.840
Toronto. I'm addicted to crystal meth. I came out with my girlfriend. She lives on the Island.
00:24:00.620
And then she left me. I'm out here by my own, on my own. And I was walking, I have a hundred
00:24:06.380
pound backpack on and it's killing me. And I walked two blocks past Maine and Hastings,
00:24:11.660
but something told me to just turn around. So I turned around and I've been sitting here all day
00:24:15.700
and I'm listening to you guys talk about Jesus. And I've never heard anybody talk about Jesus in
00:24:20.420
that way before. And I'm just, I'm just compelled. And I'm like, that's really cool. I'm like, you know,
00:24:26.080
and I'm like, okay, well in my mind, I'm like, well, you know, my best friend just gave his life
00:24:31.420
to God. I'm out here in the street right now. Like the Holy Spirit's on a roll right now. So
00:24:35.660
like, can I pray for you? And he's like, you know what? I would like really love that. So
00:24:38.860
you know, we laid hands on him. I prayed for him and his countenance just was like a complete 180,
00:24:45.100
man. Like he was just started crying, like tears of joy. He's like, you guys are the first people
00:24:49.420
seeing me, seeing me smile in like a year. And he's like, this is so crazy. But when I was at
00:24:54.500
the BC, like the ferries terminal, someone came, I had no money. Someone came up to a stranger came
00:24:59.820
up to me. I wasn't even panhandling. A stranger came up to me and gave me 50 bucks. And he was like,
00:25:03.780
ah, but I almost didn't want it because I didn't want to use again. But you know, I'm still holding
00:25:09.640
onto it. And he's like, and another crazy thing just happened. I got a message on my, on Facebook
00:25:15.400
from a friend from high school I haven't talked to in three years. She heard I'm in the downtown East
00:25:19.040
side. And she said, she's renting a car right now to come pick me up. I'm like, man, that's the Lord.
00:25:23.580
That's how God works for sure. Like all of these things are far too serendipitous to just be like
00:25:27.120
it's coincidence. So I'm like, okay, it was the end of the night and everyone's packing up. And I'm
00:25:32.040
like, well, I can't leave this. He's told me his ride's coming. I believe him. I'm taking him at his
00:25:36.860
word. And you know, that I can't leave him on the street. So I'm like, where can we go? It was like
00:25:41.900
three in the morning. I'm like, okay, there's a Tim Hortons. It's like two blocks away. They have wifi so
00:25:45.900
that, you know, he can be in touch with his friend. He can, he can be hooked up to power. You know, it's good.
00:25:51.520
So we go, we walk over there and of course they're closed because of COVID. So I'm like,
00:25:56.760
what do we do? What did I do with this guy? So I was like, ah, what would Jesus do? You know,
00:26:01.520
that's like what I try to think. And what Jesus did is he liked to have conversations with people
00:26:05.640
at the kitchen table. He liked to break bread with folks. Right. So I'm like,
00:26:09.060
when's the last time that you had a good meal, man? And he's like, dude, I'm a meth head.
00:26:13.200
Like, I don't eat dude. Like, you know, and he was like, you know, I could, he was joking. And like,
00:26:17.700
you know, so there's an Indian restaurant called the Dosa factory and they're open. Like,
00:26:22.440
I think they're open to like four or 5am or something. Shout out Dosa factory.
00:26:25.460
Shout out Dosa factory. So we went to the Dosa factory and it was amazing, man, because it's
00:26:30.820
just like, again, it's that dig, it's that dignified or it's that dignity when you look someone in the
00:26:35.320
eye and you actually ask them how they're doing and like, you care because you do care and people
00:26:40.680
can sense that. Right. So there's just like, he starts talking to me about how, you know, he,
00:26:46.240
he was in jail for six months for like this in, for weed, for this like sting operation that he
00:26:51.700
took the fall for. And his dad like served in Iraq in the first Gulf war. And he's always had this
00:26:57.480
like hard heart towards him and they don't have a very good relationship. And the only time he's
00:27:01.540
ever seen his dad cry is when he was, you know, shipped off to jail. And he's talking about how
00:27:05.920
like his grandpa Frank served in Ireland for the IRA and he's like a hardcore Christian. And he's just
00:27:12.040
like, he, I remind him of his grandpa because the way we both talk about God and he can't wait to
00:27:16.860
get home so he can like reconcile with his dad and talk about the Lord with his grandpa and all this.
00:27:21.140
And it's just like, he's completely done a 180. It's like, it's a miracle, you know? And I'm just
00:27:25.960
like, wow, this is crazy. So we closed down the restaurant, you know, it's six in the morning or
00:27:30.560
something like that at this point. And, uh, I had, I had some roommates at the time, very scared of
00:27:36.540
COVID, like very, very scared of COVID. But I'm like, I can't leave him on the street. Like anything
00:27:42.360
could happen to him between now and whenever his friend comes, right? So I'm like, okay, I'll tell
00:27:46.200
you what, man, like you can come to my house, sleep on the couch, be very quiet because my roommate has
00:27:51.260
a dog. And if they come down here and see you on the couch, they're going to like, they're going to
00:27:55.320
freak, like they're going to call the cops or something. It's going to be a mess, but I'm going to
00:27:58.720
leave you with some, you know, some food and some water and, you know, a charger or whatever. And just
00:28:03.680
please like, let yourself out in the morning when your friend comes. He's like, yeah, bro,
00:28:06.860
no problem. So I woke up the next morning and he was gone. So I just assumed that everything worked
00:28:12.120
out. I didn't think, you know, I didn't think too much of it. So then, you know, I called Doré. I
00:28:17.460
was like, dude, you will not believe what happened last night. Remember that dude that we met on the
00:28:21.480
stairs? Like he gave his life to God and he's currently on his way back to Toronto to make things
00:28:25.060
right with his family. And he's like, man, that's amazing. I was like, you're telling me like,
00:28:29.080
that was like one of the craziest experiences of my life, you know? And he's like, well,
00:28:32.800
we're going out to do it again. We're going to the West End. You want to come? And I'm just like,
00:28:36.540
man, if it's anything like it was the night before, I definitely want to come. So sure enough,
00:28:41.440
you know, I went and it was mostly overwhelmingly good experience, mostly positive because like,
00:28:48.400
you know, if you, if you meet somebody who thinks that you hate them. And I mean, for example,
00:28:55.920
like the West End in Vancouver is a notoriously gay community. But if, you know, a lot of these people
00:29:01.720
have anger towards Christians and have anger towards the church because they've been hurt
00:29:06.540
by the church or because they think that the church hates them or God hates them, right?
00:29:11.620
So when you go up to them and be like, hey man, hope you're having a good day. God loves you.
00:29:15.260
It's so disarming because they're like, first they're like, what are you doing here?
00:29:19.460
So they're guarded. And then it's like, hey man, God loves you. They're like, really?
00:29:25.480
Well, no, it's like, it's like, it's like a surprising revelation. They're like, God loves
00:29:30.400
me. And that's like very profound. That's a profound understanding, right? Because it's
00:29:35.540
like, anyways, I got, yeah, it's, it's, it's a heavy realization because what do you, it's
00:29:43.040
like the parable of, you know, turning the other cheek. The reason why you're supposed to
00:29:49.140
turn the other cheek to someone who strikes you is not because, you know, we're just supposed
00:29:52.680
to be submissive and we're supposed to take a beating so that you can be act as a mirror
00:29:55.960
and you can reveal your accusers, you know, uh, depravity to themselves. So, you know,
00:30:02.380
if you tell someone who hates you because they think you hate them, I love you. God loves
00:30:07.200
you. What do you do with that? Right? So it was like a really positive experience. It was
00:30:11.620
a really amazing day. And, you know, it was the cops came because obviously some people
00:30:17.620
are not happy to see us there, but I'm, I'm, you know, it's just not represented properly
00:30:22.180
in the article at all. I'm talking like about a very small minority of people who were not
00:30:25.600
happy to see us there. And, uh, the cops came and they were like, actually, I don't hear
00:30:30.340
anything hateful or wrong with this message. You guys can stay. But you know, if it starts
00:30:33.380
to become dangerous for you or for anyone else, we have to break it up. So as the day went
00:30:38.140
on, um, the guy with the red hair that's in the clip, I've actually known him for five
00:30:44.080
years. I didn't know that he's, I didn't know that he's gay or belongs to that
00:30:47.320
community. Um, so I think when he saw me, it was, there was a bit of shame. Like he
00:30:53.060
felt like I had outed him. So he reacted in a very angry way. And then that's the clip
00:30:58.220
that was, you know, brought up, brought up, uh, on the news. But it's interesting. There
00:31:02.200
was no talk of sexuality or homosexuality or hellfire or anything like that. The only time
00:31:08.580
that was brought up was by a reporter from CTV who happened to be present, who was also a member,
00:31:15.180
who I found out subsequently is a member of the Vancouver Greek Orthodox Church. So she
00:31:19.080
knows scripture, right? Whether she's a lover of Jesus and has a relationship with the Lord
00:31:22.940
is one thing, but she grew up as a cultural Christian. So she knows scripture. And she
00:31:27.340
says, you know, well, where in the Bible does it even talk about homosexuality? Right?
00:31:32.020
Pretty sure that's in there. Right? And then Doria says, well, 1 Corinthians 6, you know,
00:31:36.240
and the beauty about first, about that verse that often gets taken out of context is it
00:31:41.400
talks about all of these things, neither drunkards nor lovers of self or homosexuals,
00:31:47.020
whatever will inherit the kingdom of God, blah, blah, blah. But that's usually where people
00:31:49.620
stop quoting. But if you keep reading, it says, but that's what you were. You've been
00:31:53.700
made new, you know? So the beauty of that verse is like, God loves you. You've been
00:31:57.560
given a new identity, you know, story of the day, what identity is, right? But anyways,
00:32:04.020
she was digging for a clip. She got her clip of him saying that out of his mouth. And then
00:32:09.520
that became the story, homophobic sermon sparks outrage in the West End. And there was no outrage
00:32:14.580
sparked. There was maybe by the end of it, after that guy who knew me got really angry and in my
00:32:19.680
face, there was maybe 10 people there maximum. And, you know, we talked to hundreds of people that day.
00:32:25.420
And, you know, folks were honking at us from the car. People were waving. People were giving us hugs.
00:32:29.820
They don't show any of that on the news. They don't show like anything feel good at all. And then it
00:32:34.640
became a national story. They ran it two nights in a row. And unfortunately, my face
00:32:39.460
is in it and my girlfriend's face is in it. My girlfriend is a, well, she was a model and she's
00:32:45.400
a makeup Instagram influencer. So between her and myself, our social media reach is larger than CTV
00:32:51.820
Vancouver, right? So unfortunately, if you're in any sort, well, just in life, but especially in
00:32:57.420
entertainment, you can't have any sort of a success without gaining some haters along the way. So
00:33:02.200
everybody who's ever hated me, and, you know, if you do some research, it won't be that difficult
00:33:07.300
to find out who the culprits were, you know, that were spreading these lies about us. You
00:33:13.240
know, they took this as the opportunity to take pot shots at us. So, oh, Brevner is, you
00:33:17.440
know, they, it went from a sermon on the West End to homophobic sermon on the West End.
00:33:22.240
And then when it hit Facebook, it became homophobic political protest. And if you support, you
00:33:27.320
know, Matt Brevner or Amanda Benko, you're homophobic and you support this, that, this, that.
00:33:30.780
The point I want to make about that is I could pick out probably 500 songs on my playlist that
00:33:40.220
if you pull out one section of a lyric, you can say this person's racist or they're homophobic
00:33:45.460
or they're anti-woman or a whole mix match of whatever, whatever. So is the only reason
00:33:51.000
why this backlash comes is because the media chooses to, to point it out and to blow it up
00:33:56.840
to an audience that isn't exposed to this sort of stuff. So all of a sudden, uh, CTV Vancouver
00:34:02.120
viewers who have never heard of you are all of a sudden making you known as a homophobic rapper.
00:34:06.540
And I want to put that into a question form of how does that affect your career afterwards?
00:34:11.720
Does, cause like I said, if we're hiring five artists for a festival, you can probably find
00:34:17.440
all five of them having things where you could label them as this, that, or the other. But is it
00:34:21.000
because Matt Brevner is now labeled as this in the mainstream media that we can hire him or
00:34:26.400
something? Or so my question is, how does that affect your career afterwards?
00:34:29.460
Um, well, I mean, me and my girlfriend, we got completely canceled, you know, like my former
00:34:35.180
label put out a press release denouncing my homophobic actions before even talking to me.
00:34:42.000
I'm their Toronto based label. Um, and you know, I don't even, and I need, I need this to be clear.
00:34:47.060
I don't want you guys or whoever's watching to go flood HerbNet with any sort of hate or cancellation
00:34:51.500
because they're a small business and it takes a lot of, you know, my cross is not their cross.
00:34:59.180
And when the cancel mob is coming for you and you're a small business, it's kind of a scary thing.
00:35:03.980
And I especially can't expect them to defend me when they don't hold, you know, conservative values,
00:35:09.980
Like, yeah, but don't there other artists say probably much worse things?
00:35:13.100
Oh yeah, definitely. But that's the thing. It's like, it's, it's a double standard, right?
00:35:17.420
Because like, if I talk about selling drugs or gang banging or whatever else, getting money
00:35:24.060
in illicit ways, which I've talked about in my career, it's fine. Not only is it, not only is it
00:35:30.220
fine, it's celebrated. But as soon as I say, Jesus loves you, like I'm not even, this is not even a
00:35:35.500
gross oversimplification because that's, that's what I'm about. God saved my life. And I, the least I can
00:35:40.460
do now is let other people know. And it's like, but you can't do that. So that what tells, I know,
00:35:46.380
I understand this to be like a spiritual battle. And I, I've seen it with, because it just,
00:35:51.420
it's not logical. It doesn't make sense. You can't rationalize it. But yeah, as far as like the,
00:35:55.980
the career goes, like my career was essentially completely ruined. I basically went into hiding
00:36:00.940
for a year. I was getting received, my girlfriend and I were both receiving death threats.
00:36:04.620
She's a Vogue internationally published model. She got released from all three of her agencies
00:36:09.900
internationally. And someone reached out over Instagram, and this is a global account. This is
00:36:14.220
not a Vancouver account. Right. And said, Oh, one of your sales associates was caught up in,
00:36:20.220
in some homophobic, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And they reached out to her and said her name,
00:36:25.020
the person who reached out, didn't even mention her name in it. But they reached out and like,
00:36:28.780
Oh, we can confirm that Amanda no longer works. And they fired her when she was on a leave of absence,
00:36:33.740
having nothing to do with any of this. But they just wanted to like, keep it quiet and brush it under the
00:36:37.340
rug. So they, they literally put her, her identity and her safety in jeopardy. Right. So yeah,
00:36:43.020
we had to move. We, we haven't been working for like the last year, year plus.
00:36:49.820
Thank God for rebel because you know, they've given me an opportunity to not only pay my rent
00:36:55.180
and kind of recoup a little bit, but also like, hopefully in a form of redemption. And something
00:37:00.220
that has been really gratifying to me is that I came to this company just on the merit of my video
00:37:08.540
skill set, which I acquired out of prudence of my music career. I didn't, you know, I, it's,
00:37:14.060
it's awesome that now, you know, you recognize me and some folks are like, Hey, well, you're a
00:37:18.060
musician. Oh, well, you're actually like a musician. And so it's like a little bit of like a, you know,
00:37:23.420
the kinder surprise and the toy in the middle of the egg. So like, that's cool. But yeah, I mean,
00:37:27.100
I can't, I can't, the financial loss and the career loss and the opportunity lost.
00:37:32.060
It's, that's just the beginning of it, you know, because I also lost all, I lost like 90% of my
00:37:37.180
friends. I lost a lot of family because it's, it's, they have to reconcile. Family? Yeah, man.
00:37:42.940
People have to reconcile what they saw on you or about you with how they know you for your entire
00:37:49.180
life. And if they are going to take a second to be like, Hey, wait a second, this is not Matt.
00:37:55.420
I don't know him to be like this. Now you're accountable to that position because everybody who knows
00:38:01.420
me and holds a counter position or everyone who doesn't know me in their first introduction to
00:38:05.820
me is that slanderous news piece. They have to stand up for you. And unfortunately, you know,
00:38:10.220
and I don't expect people to do that. I have grace for you guys that bailed on me and you know who you
00:38:14.780
are and there's a lot of you, but in the same sense, like all it would have taken was a couple of
00:38:20.620
people to be like, Hey, this is not true. And it wouldn't, the carnage wouldn't have happened in the
00:38:24.300
way that it did, you know, but cancel culture is scary. You know, it's like, even for, you know,
00:38:29.420
I don't expect you to not be able to pay your mortgage so that you can defend me because I
00:38:32.860
was out with a street preacher talking about Jesus, you know, like that's, I didn't, you didn't ask
00:38:37.100
for that, you know? And, but you know, I, I'm like grateful for the folks who did and who have like
00:38:42.300
fought for me in private and small conversations, but it's like seeing the carnage, it's like, yeah,
00:38:48.220
I don't want to lose my job. I don't want to lose my livelihood, my relationships. So yeah, it's been
00:38:53.180
disappointing, but it's also been like a, an eye opener to like, I feel like the conversations
00:38:59.820
and the situations that freedom loving folks are experiencing now with their friendships
00:39:05.100
and their families. I went through this a year ago already, I'm already untethered,
00:39:09.740
unyoked to the fear and the crap. So in that way, I'm like grateful because I feel like I got to go
00:39:16.300
through this in a very extreme way on my own, which allowed me to like not take solace and
00:39:22.940
comfort in other people or quick opportunities, but really, okay, strip everything off. Who am I?
00:39:28.220
What do I stand for? And how do I want to rebuild my life? So in that way, it's, it's, it's actually
00:39:32.300
been a gift. And I want to get into your new music, but before we do, because we can't do it for free,
00:39:37.100
you guys, I'm sorry. We're going to move behind the paywall, rebelnewsplus.com. You can sign up
00:39:41.740
for $8 a month or $80 for a year. And that way you'll save two months, really three,
00:39:46.140
because there's a free trial at the beginning. So rebelnewsplus.com with Matt Brevner. But before
00:39:50.540
we go behind it, tell them where to find your music. You can find me on Spotify, Brevner. If
00:39:55.180
you Google Brevner, Spotify, Facebook, Instagram, all these things will pop up. B-R-E-V-N-E-R.
00:40:01.260
And I'm dropping a new album called In Jesus Name sometime this summer. All right. So we're going
00:40:07.020
to get to some new stuff behind the paywall, rebelnewsplus.com, you guys.
00:40:10.380
Okay, yeah, we're just going to promote your new music. That's okay. No, we're still under an hour,
00:40:19.180
so it's fine. So we're good? So we're behind the paywall now, Matt. You want to release new music,
00:40:26.300
you're going to. You've given us the blessing of previewing some of it. I can confirm it is fire.
00:40:32.620
What is fueling the new style? Is there a new style? Is there something else fueling it now?
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Is it based on your past? Just a couple minutes on that. Sure. Yeah. I have a conviction about,
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I just want to make art that's up to my worldly standards, but for the kingdom and for a righteous
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cause. So, you know, I feel like if it's art for God, it shouldn't be less than what the world's
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putting out. It should be even greater. So I just want to bring my tastes. I don't have too much
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experience listening to, you know, Christian hip hop or conservative hip hop or anything else. I just want
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to bring what I love to do to, you know, to the art form and to the genre. And hopefully,
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it, you know, some people are inspired by it. Hopefully it really, some people relate to it,
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but it's got to, you know, and you listen to like good hip hop and it gives you that kind of like,
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oh, that is the head motion. I mean, it was the stink face. I agree. So it has to pass a stink face.
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Now, are you looking forward to doing anything with anybody? We talked briefly about Tom McDonald,
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who's somebody who, you know, personally, what's it been like, uh, to see somebody who,
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you know, personally, I mean, you knew a lot of other guys, you knew match how to them.
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They didn't go through this pathway of, uh, most resistance. I would say that Tom McDonald,
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uh, has gone through. Does that give you a sense of hope, a sense of pride for what's to come for
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you? Because now there is, I've, um, interviewed Bryson Gray. I've interviewed anomaly. Does this give you
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a hope and a sense of direction for what you want to do?
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I got to say, Tom, Tom's one of my oldest friends in the, in the music industry.
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And he is one of the, and I mean on, well, not even one of the, outside of like my Christian friends,
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he's the only person that reached out to me, was on the phone with me every day, talking about how
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can we get over this? It's going to be okay. Like he actually, you know, and that says a lot to his
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character and in his own way, he's had, you know, a baptism by fire every week. So he gets it.
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Um, but for him to, you know, humble himself, reach out to an old friend and be like,
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my heart hurts for what's happening to you was just so cool because like, there's guys with a
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20th of the platform that Tom and Nova have that were not only didn't reach out, but were quick to
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like trash me online for their own gain. So yeah, I mean, wherever the Lord wants me,
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the Lord's going to place me. I'm not doing this so that I can necessarily do it for my glory. Like,
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I really just, I love to make art and if people benefit from it, that's awesome. But really it's
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just that whole thing was a testament to Tom's character and our friendship. And for that,
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like I'm super grateful. So you want to set up your new music video, which I believe is going to be
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exclusive here first, and then we'll get it out to the rest of the world. What, uh, what was it like
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to finally, you know, get in front of the camera to film a video again and to, you know, feel what you
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probably haven't felt in a couple of years. Do you want to set that up? Sure. Yeah. It was very,
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it was a frightening experience because the thing is when you get canceled, you lose all of your
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resources. And as an entrepreneur, most of your resources are relationships. So I couldn't find
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anyone to mix my music. I couldn't find anyone to master my music. I couldn't find anyone to shoot
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any of my videos, like could do any of my graphic design, nothing. So literally this song, it's called
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Behind Me. My girlfriend and I shot the video. I produced the music. I mixed the music. My girlfriend
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and I did the cover art together. We shot it in our, you know, our little apartment in Vancouver.
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And yeah, the song, I actually wrote the song before I got canceled. So to be putting it out
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now is just such a, an amazing gift. And to know that I'm able to put this out now from a place of
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confidence and joy and not from a place where I feel like I'm swinging back or fighting. It's, it's,
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it's, yeah, it's reassuring and it's just, it's a really beautiful thing. So I hope that, uh,
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it inspires some folks and yeah. All right. So we're going to throw to that Brevner on Spotify,
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on Instagram, on Twitter. He's on my Spotify list. And of course, him and Drea Humphrey are covering
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the whole West Coast. You guys have watched their videos. You've loved them. There was that recent
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wedding video you guys did. I love the cinematography, even the crazy environmentalist
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protest. My words, not yours. So keep watching the West Coast feed of Rebel News, because this is the
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production team you've got behind you and it's really good. And let's go ahead and check out your
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new video and we're, this album is going to drop soon, you guys. So you don't want to miss it.