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00:16:29.620I was always very reluctant to lean on him, his dad, for anything, because I did feel like if I was going to explore the entertainment industry, I didn't want to feel like I hadn't done it on my own.
00:17:27.140This is nepotistic jobs for insiders and their friends and families who can't make it on their own in Hollywood, on Netflix, on the Internet.
00:17:37.040This is free money for people who feel entitled to it.
00:17:41.100This is people wanting you to watch their left of center comedy because you need to be worked on.
00:17:49.000And don't you forget it for one second.
00:17:52.100This will become about censoring, blocking, and de-platforming any competition, whether it's music, comedy shows, or Canadian news and opinion like ours.
00:18:07.660Stay with us for more if you want to see some scary censorship.
00:18:13.280Your algorithms on YouTube, when you are searching for national action, will then promote the likes of Tommy Robinson and Britain First.
00:18:37.820This is despite the fact that the Finsbury Park mosque where somebody was killed, and that's recently been in the headline.
00:18:45.600Despite the fact that videos of Tommy Robinson were cited as part of the online radicalization of Darren Osborne in the Finsbury Park court case, YouTube continues to promote them videos.
00:19:00.580We are working to make sure that videos that promote hate or promote violence, if they violate our policies, are removed from the platform.
00:19:08.100If they walk right up to the line, we have also, at the encouragement of this committee, developed a new enforcement mechanism to limit the features that these have.
00:19:17.120They should not be appearing in our recommendation engine.
00:19:20.140If they are, I will take this back to our team and see what the problem is.
00:19:24.180I'll give it the R. I mean, they are appearing.
00:19:26.700They are in my recommended timeline at the moment.
00:19:29.580So because I've been searching on my iPad for national action videos, I, as a result, have the first two videos recommended to me by YouTube.
00:19:40.860When I just click on, as I've just done this afternoon, I click onto YouTube, the first two recommendations are Tommy Robinson videos.
00:19:49.460Well, that is an excerpt from the United Kingdom Parliamentary Committee grilling a senior Google executive in charge of anti-terrorism.
00:20:03.140You might be thinking, why does Google have an anti-terrorism boss?
00:20:06.680Well, to stop terrorists from using the system to recruit and propagandize.
00:20:13.040He did not know who Tommy Robinson was because Tommy Robinson is not a terrorist.
00:20:18.460He went there to talk about terrorism.
00:20:20.620But member of parliament after member of parliament was furious that when they typed in, show me populist British political leaders, Tommy Robinson came up in the search results and they want it gone.
00:20:34.180Well, I'm pleased to say that Google didn't take the bait in that parliamentary committee, but they obviously did quietly later on when the cameras were not rolling.
00:20:45.180And joining us now with the scoop on this is our friend Alan Bokhari, the senior tech correspondent for Breitbart.com, who joins us via Skype from the United Kingdom.
00:20:54.480Alan, great to see you. Thanks for joining us today.
00:20:58.380You know, it's quite something, these MPs who despise Tommy Robinson, and listen, it's not everyone's cup of tea, but when you're searching for topics about Tommy Robinson and watch a Tommy Robinson video and then YouTube suggests another one, that's based on your own declared interests.
00:21:16.080It's like when people contact me and say, Ezra, why are dating sites showing up on rebel ads?
00:21:21.160Well, it's based on the cookies on your browser from what you're looking at.
00:21:26.560And that's what I would say to these MPs.
00:21:29.120You're obsessing about Tommy Robinson and you're surprised that the Internet is giving you what you want, but they just want to censor him.
00:21:35.480Yeah, I mean, that sounds to me like YouTube search algorithm is working as intended.
00:21:41.160It's giving you more of what you're searching for and the type of content that you're searching for.
00:21:48.720What these MPs wanted to do is make sure that even if you're searching for content that would appeal to a Tommy Robinson fan, you wouldn't see Tommy Robinson videos.
00:21:59.300That seems entirely contrary to the idea of organic search, this idea that, you know, when you search for things, when you activate your cookies, then YouTube and other social platforms will give you content that's similar to that.
00:22:13.780That's the whole point of recommended videos.
00:22:15.960It's giving you content that's similar to the video that you just watched.
00:22:20.240So what the MP was complaining about sounds totally reasonable to me.
00:23:28.740So a while ago, at the end of December last year, a Slate journalist got in touch with YouTube to complain about, well, you know, I call her a journalist, basically a left-wing activist playing in journalism.
00:23:46.120She commented on YouTube to complain about the prominence of pro-life videos in search results for the search term abortion.
00:23:54.760And what happened was immediately after that, there was a significant change to the YouTube search results that this late writer has noted that pushed content from mainstream news organizations and left-wing news organizations, pro-abortion content,
00:24:10.420from Vice and BuzzFeed and the BBC and the BBC and the CBC and other mainstream sources up the search rankings and it pushed all the pro-life content down the rankings.
00:24:20.700And we were then contacted by sources within Google who gave us a list, a blacklist.
00:24:30.700They called it a blacklist of so-called controversial search queries.
00:24:35.760And what we were told, based on the information we received, was that shortly after that Slate journalist contacted YouTube, they made an addition to that folder, to that file, rather, that added the terms abortion and abortions.
00:24:53.020And what that did was it activated an algorithm that pushed mainstream sources up and pushed non-mainstream videos down.
00:25:00.340And the result of that was virtually all pro-life content was knocked out of the top 10 search results for abortion, which is significant because many people don't really go beyond the top 10 search results in any search engine.
00:25:12.520You know, there's so many things in what you've said there that are shocking.
00:25:15.460Number one, your obvious point that most journalists, especially in BuzzFeed and Vice and Huffington Post, they're not really journalists.
00:25:24.480They're activists calling with journalists' credentials to shake down a YouTube, saying, oh, I noticed that Tommy Robinson's on your website.
00:25:31.660Oh, I noticed that this website is using PayPal.
00:25:34.780I'm going to do a story on that unless you change it.
00:25:37.320So these journalists aren't reporting the news.
00:25:39.500They're trying to change the news by using their journalistic powers as a threat.
00:25:47.260Of course, the YouTubes, Twitters, Facebooks of the world are only happy to comply.
00:25:54.760It's always leftist censorship of right-wing ideas.
00:25:59.460But what scares me is what else is being done that we don't know about?
00:26:05.920What other search terms are being hidden that we don't know about?
00:26:08.960Tell me what else was on this blacklist you received.
00:26:11.520Well, we know that search terms related to the Irish abortion referendum were also on the blacklist.
00:26:19.980So they were middling with pro-life and pro-abortion debates even before this journalist got in touch with them.
00:26:26.680There were a range of search terms related to terrorist attacks that were also on the blacklist.
00:26:31.860There was a search term related to Maxine Waters, a Democratic congresswoman, who was also on the blacklist.
00:26:37.080So they're actually interfering with search results on behalf of Democratic politicians now.
00:26:42.440And by the way, that's an interesting point you made about journalists behaving like activists.
00:26:46.400It really seems at the moment that journalists are kind of calling the shots at these tech companies because the more recent change that YouTube announced,
00:26:55.720that they're going to censor recommended searches, happened just one day after a big BuzzFeed story on how recommended searches are supposedly leading to hyper-partisan content and misinformation.
00:27:08.380You know, let's talk about that story because I'm just thinking of the idea that YouTube deciding what's misinformation.
00:27:16.640I think the videos that come when I think of YouTube misinformation, I think the crowning story that will for all time live as the worst example was the Benghazi terrorist attack on September 11th, 2012.
00:27:34.640The anniversary of 9-11, right before the U.S. presidential election, massacred four Americans at the consulate.
00:27:44.140And this was a real problem for Barack Obama, who was being reelected.
00:27:48.060So he and his secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, and Susan Rice and all the others cooked up a story that involved YouTube in two ways.
00:27:56.020Number one, and forgive me just for scratching this itch for a second, Alan.
00:28:00.220Number one, they said, oh, this wasn't a terrorist attack.
00:28:03.080This was people upset over a YouTube video that criticized Islam.
00:28:07.960So they were falsely blaming an odious YouTube video for the attack.
00:28:14.500So they were inventing some outrage at a YouTube video that obviously no one in Benghazi had seen.
00:28:22.520But then they all went on TV for two months just to bluster their way, brazen their way through the election, saying this was not a terrorist attack.
00:28:32.180This was, you know, a grassroots opposition to a video.
00:29:14.880Then we had the journalists smearing the Covington students who, you know, had the audacity to wear MAGA hats in front of, you know, far left agitators in Washington, D.C.
00:29:25.080And they were attacked as harassing simply because they wore MAGA hats and, you know, stood still and, you know, didn't, you know, bow down and apologize to these left-wing activists who were actually harassing them.
00:29:35.560So we've had all sorts – and, you know, you can go back further.
00:29:38.620You can go to, like, the Rolling Stone UBA case, another example of fake news.
00:29:43.720There are so many examples of just total hysteria and inaccuracy on the mainstream media.
00:29:51.580And YouTube has no way of policing that because all of the outlets that promote these false narratives are given a great verified checkmark and are promoted in the algorithm.
00:30:03.240So that when they make a change to their blacklist like they did with the abortion search results, all these videos from, you know, really dodgy mainstream outlets like BuzzFeed and Vice and others will go straight up at the top of the search results.
00:30:35.780And yet YouTube kicked it off their top ten search results.
00:30:39.220It just shows you what a blunt instrument this method they have is.
00:30:43.420It just arbitrarily promotes mainstream sources and arbitrarily downranks non-mainstream sources regardless of how accurate either one of those categories are.
00:31:57.580The fact that you said Maxine Waters, that odious, extremist Democrat who calls for citizens to get in the face of any Republicans they meet on the street.
00:37:45.920You know, there are some ancient rules that don't change.
00:37:52.800The other day we were talking about Sun Tzu.
00:37:56.840I mentioned that when I was talking to Lorne Gunter.
00:37:59.840You ever read Sun Tzu, The Art of War?
00:38:02.220It's little proverbs about the art of war.
00:38:06.600And I think that book is popular even with non-soldiers because it talks about any conflict, any battle, how to size up your enemy and preparation.
00:38:16.560China and Iran, which used to be called Persia, have been doing diplomacy for thousands of years.
00:38:26.340When Europe wasn't, before London and Paris were even cities, before Columbus even came to the New World, China, the Chinese emperors and the Persian emperors were doing diplomacy.
00:38:40.640For us to think that we can have some pundit journalist and her millennial hipster squad walk in and run circles around these ancient strategists.
00:39:05.960And when I was reading how Chrystia Freeland wrecked Reuters next by not trusting anyone in the company, bringing in all her own friends, firing everyone who actually knew anything, and was surprised when it didn't work, I think that's exactly what she's doing in foreign affairs.
00:39:20.920She's just going with her hip friends.
00:39:41.340He's rude to China, but he's strong and his word, he backs it up.
00:39:46.320That's why they give him the red carpet.
00:39:48.400And that's why they give us the bum's rush.
00:39:50.360On my interview with Lauren Gunter, Betty writes,
00:39:54.080Apparently it was too much to ask that John McCallum remembered he was representing Canada as the ambassador to China, that his role was diplomatic and he shouldn't be handing out legal advice to the Chinese.
00:40:04.960You know, I forget which British wag it was over 100 years ago, said a British diplomat's job is to lie abroad for his country.