Rebel News Podcast - February 08, 2020


Christian pastor Franklin Graham effectively banned from the UK & Maxime Bernier interview Part 2


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Franklin Graham is effectively banned from the United Kingdom. That's quite something. I'll read you the story and compare it to other groups that are not banned in the UK. Before I do, let me invite you to become a premium subscriber to Rebel News, that's 8 bucks a month, and you get the video version of this podcast plus other goodies like Sheila Gunn-Reed's show and David Menzies' show.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. Today I tell you about Franklin Graham, the inheritor of the great Billy Graham
00:00:08.200 Project. He's effectively banned from the United Kingdom. That's quite something. I'll read you
00:00:13.720 the story and I'll compare it to other groups that are not banned in the United Kingdom. It's
00:00:18.780 quite a puzzle, this one. Before I do, let me invite you to become a premium subscriber to
00:00:24.580 Rebel News. That's eight bucks a month. You go to premium.rebelnews.com and you get the video
00:00:30.080 version of this podcast, plus other goodies like Sheila Gunn-Reed's show and David Menzies' show.
00:00:34.540 Okay, here's today's podcast.
00:00:40.800 You're listening to a Rebel News podcast.
00:00:43.220 Tonight, America's largest mainstream Christian pastor is effectively banned from the United
00:00:56.920 Kingdom. I'll give you the shocking details. It's February 7th and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
00:01:04.160 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:01:07.720 There's 8,500 customers here and you won't give them an answer. The only thing I have to say to
00:01:13.420 the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.
00:01:23.140 Hello, my friends. Let me start with an apology for yesterday's show. I had flown to Montreal to
00:01:28.600 interview Maxime Bernier. I'm curious about what he's up to, what his plans are, what he thinks about
00:01:33.740 the Conservative Party's leadership race and he has a new YouTube studio of his own, so that's where
00:01:40.200 we were going to do it. I'd interview him there and he'd interview me for his show during the same
00:01:45.640 visit, except that it was the first time using their studio and so there were so many first-time
00:01:51.080 technical glitches. We didn't get the whole videotape of my interview of him in time back
00:01:56.440 here at our headquarters. We just got a part of it and the audio wasn't great, so I apologized for
00:02:01.760 yesterday's show. So we had the other part of that interview later today. I hope you found it
00:02:06.540 interesting. Our team at Rebel News did great with what they had late in the day, so thanks for
00:02:11.380 understanding. Anyways, let me tell you about some news I read just today that I really think ought to
00:02:18.060 be bigger news. It's news from the United Kingdom, a place I've gone to a lot in the past couple of
00:02:23.480 years because of Tommy Robinson's case. And people sometimes say, why do you go there so often? We have
00:02:28.060 our own problems here in Canada and I'm attentive to that and I do try to limit my trips there and
00:02:33.840 if I do go over, I try to do so with as little disruption to my Canadian work as possible, but I
00:02:39.540 still believe that it is relevant to Canada in this way. The UK is further down the road than we are on
00:02:46.100 several important issues, so it serves as a premonition, a warning of what's to come here. Like I keep
00:02:52.020 saying, visiting the UK is my own personal dystopian time machine. I can predict with vivid clarity what
00:02:59.300 is going to happen next here because we're just one cycle behind them. So for example, here in Canada
00:03:06.300 we're all shocked when statues of Sir John A. MacDonald are being taken down. It's truly shocking.
00:03:13.580 He was also ripped off our $10 bill, by the way. Well, I'll show you the next chapter. In the United
00:03:21.380 Kingdom, children are forbidden to fly the flag of St. George. That's the flag of England. At school,
00:03:30.480 police treat it as a hate symbol. And even the Union flag, sometimes called the Union Jack,
00:03:37.140 the flag of the country. And it's called the Union Jack because it shows the Union of England,
00:03:41.820 Scotland, and Ireland. It's largely banned from polite company. It's considered right wing.
00:03:47.120 I didn't know how beautiful the simple geometric Union flag was until I understood it. I just thought
00:03:55.920 as a kid it was just, you know, triangles or shapes. But it truly represents the Union of three different
00:04:02.860 peoples. The original e pluribus unum, that's the American motto, from many, out of many, one. You could say it's the
00:04:11.500 original multicultural state. The Union Jack is the English flag, that's this one, cross of St. George,
00:04:18.080 plus the Scottish flag, St. Andrew's cross, plus the Irish St. Patrick's cross, all put together over
00:04:28.300 top of each other. I'm sorry I never actually learned that until recently. I didn't know it was so
00:04:34.960 harmonious. I just thought, oh, that's an interesting flag. And I learned that just in time
00:04:39.780 to live in an age where the British government and the British police and British schools are pretty
00:04:44.540 much banning the British flag. So we're not there right now. We're just at the take down the Johnny
00:04:53.500 McDonald statue's face. But we're getting close. Trudeau changed the lyrics of O Canada in such a weird
00:04:59.580 way, just like his father did, I guess. Just like his dad changed Canada's flag. But there's changing
00:05:07.740 it, which is questionable enough. And then there's banning it, disparaging it. So we're not quite
00:05:12.800 there yet. But now that I've shown you what they're doing in the UK, do you doubt me when I
00:05:18.660 prophesy it will happen here? Obviously, the same thing with censorship, which is what took me to the
00:05:24.640 UK in the first place. I've probably done 20 reports on Tommy Robinson being arrested for doing
00:05:30.460 journalism outside a court. This is when he was arrested that day. His journalism that day, by
00:05:36.440 the way, is less intrusive and less rambunctious than our own coverage, say, of Jonathan Yaniv is
00:05:43.020 outside courts here. And Tommy was, you saw him, arrested, imprisoned, in solitary confinement for
00:05:48.800 that. So that could happen to David Menzies, Sheila Gunn-Reed, Kian Beckstein, myself. So you see what I
00:05:53.940 believe the UK is like a crystal ball for what the next phase will look like here. More mass
00:05:59.260 censorship, more of the surveillance state, more politicized police, more mass immigration. Brexit
00:06:05.900 was a pushback against some of that, I think. But so much damage has been done to the UK already.
00:06:12.140 All right, so back to my story today. Billy Graham could probably be called the most prominent,
00:06:19.800 most successful, most mainstream Christian pastor of the 20th century. That's Billy Graham there.
00:06:25.520 At least in America. I don't know about other parts of the world. And he passed away recently. He lived
00:06:30.180 in 99, I think. But he was a personal advisor to actually so many presidents. There's Lyndon Johnson
00:06:37.480 there, a Democrat. There's Richard Nixon, Republican. Obviously, John F. Kennedy there. Because,
00:06:45.720 of course, remember, Graham lived to 99. There's George H. W. Bush. There's Bill Clinton. Boy, he needed
00:06:53.400 spiritual guidance, didn't he? George W. Bush. So Billy Graham, the dad, preached around the world to
00:07:03.480 millions, many millions, in countless countries. I'd say he was the closest thing in terms of mass reach
00:07:09.820 to a Protestant pope, if there were such a thing. I mean, in terms of how far and wide he traveled
00:07:14.940 and evangelized. And he set up so many enduring institutions, including Samaritan's Purse, one of
00:07:21.360 the best Christian charities in the world. Now, his son, Franklin Graham, who's just a whippersnapper in
00:07:27.120 his 60s, has taken over the projects that Billy Graham created. And he's a powerful force in his own
00:07:33.000 right. He does good work, I think. Franklin is following in his father's footsteps. His dad lived to 99.
00:07:38.620 So Franklin has a lot of work to do to catch up. He's about 30 years behind. But he's clearly
00:07:43.180 the inheritor of his dad's style, his dad's project. And at least from my point of view,
00:07:48.860 he's just as mainstream, just as ubiquitous. I'm not Christian myself. I don't follow very closely,
00:07:54.080 but that's how it looks to me. It looks to me that, like his dad, Franklin Graham is not radical.
00:08:00.380 He's not extreme. I actually don't even know what a radical or extreme Christian means. I mean,
00:08:05.520 by nature, Christianity is the religion of love and forgiveness. That's the whole message of
00:08:09.860 Christ. It seems to me as an outside observer. It's gentler in a way than, say, the Old Testament
00:08:16.740 and certainly than the Koran. But Franklin Graham has been effectively banned from the United Kingdom
00:08:23.460 in 2020. Here, look at this. Here's a story. Evangelist preacher Franklin Graham planned a seven-city UK
00:08:32.060 tour. All seven venues have dropped him. Wow, now this is CNN, so approach with skepticism could be
00:08:41.600 fake news. But still, let me read some more. A planned UK tour by U.S. evangelist Franklin Graham
00:08:47.480 is in question after every venue booked by the preacher canceled planned appearances, following an
00:08:53.340 outcry over his homophobic and Islamophobic comments. Okay, well, what does that really mean?
00:08:59.080 I was deplatformed myself, remember? In Edmonton and Calgary, when I booked a venue in each city to
00:09:04.360 give a talk about my book, the Libranos. I had a contract with the theaters. I paid them rent in
00:09:09.900 full in advance. And then the owner caved in and breached the contract, just like it sounds like
00:09:16.360 they're doing to Franklin Graham. But did Franklin Graham really have contracts sealed the deal with
00:09:22.060 the seven venues, like I had with the two venues in Alberta? Did they all really rip up a signed
00:09:28.280 contract? Or was it not quite yet a contract? Was it just sort of an inquiry or something? Again,
00:09:33.820 I don't know. CNN doesn't say. I don't really trust CNN. But given how bad things are in the UK,
00:09:40.280 I'm going to say this is probably true. Let me read more.
00:09:45.440 Graham, the son of preacher Billy Graham, has called Islam evil, attacked laws, increasing rights
00:09:52.560 for transgender people, and told his followers that the legalization of same-sex marriage was
00:09:57.380 orchestrated by Satan. Now, every venue booked by Graham as part of a lengthy summer tour of the
00:10:04.100 UK has told him not to come. There's some irony here. I don't know if Franklin Graham said those
00:10:10.060 things about those things. I don't know if he said it about same-sex marriage. It wasn't in quotes
00:10:14.920 there. I don't know what tone or context he said it. CNN's not going to tell you. I'm pretty sure
00:10:19.760 Franklin Graham, at the very least, is a love the sinner, hate the sin kind of Christian
00:10:24.040 who doesn't turn anyone away. I mean, he's certainly less militant than, oh, just let me pick
00:10:30.300 something at random. Britain's Muslim community who have a massive campaign against gay-friendly
00:10:35.840 curricula in schools. I've done a few shows on this one, particularly in Birmingham. There's this
00:10:43.320 one school that's massively, overwhelmingly Muslim. Almost the entire school population is Muslim.
00:10:48.800 And they're simply not going to class where they talk positively about gay people. They
00:10:55.300 literally have rallies outside the school, even taunting the gay teacher, Mr. Moffat.
00:11:04.620 But we need to make one thing very clear. This program is not just about telling people that
00:11:13.020 other families and other types of lifestyles exist. It's actually aggressively promoting
00:11:19.520 them, giving it a positive spin and telling people that it is okay for you to be Muslim and
00:11:27.740 for you to be gay. Mr. Moffat, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame, shame.
00:11:34.240 that's the united kingdom by the way that's not that's not pakistan or something that's the uk
00:11:45.840 um that's birmingham at least uh i don't think they're going to ban that muslim group from the
00:11:54.140 right to rent theaters do you or maybe it's the islam comments that got uh franklin graham banned
00:12:01.280 up the gay comments the thing about most religions though i'm not an expert but it seems to me that
00:12:07.040 most religions are exclusive by that i mean you can't be both jewish and christian there's certain
00:12:13.620 irreconcilable ideas you can't be both hindu and muslim they just you've got to choose so you can
00:12:21.560 usually find a passage in one religion that rejects or even rebukes a rival religion's theology
00:12:28.520 i mean there's the odd passage about killing infidels in the quran or just for an example
00:12:36.620 so if you're going to ban someone from speaking because he criticized a rival religion
00:12:43.700 as franklin graham has probably done but again cnn doesn't provide context uh there would be no
00:12:51.380 religions in the uk really and there most certainly are so this is pretty selective let me read more
00:12:57.380 a petition calling for newcastle's utilita arena to drop graham has been signed more than 5 000 times
00:13:04.040 and the venue told cnn they made their decision following talks with our partners and relevant
00:13:08.280 stakeholders franklin graham's views are wholly inconsistent with our city which is preparing
00:13:14.100 to welcome huge celebrations and tens of thousands of people this summer for uk pride
00:13:18.440 stay done chair of the northern pride group said on the petition site i guess the northern pride group
00:13:25.160 finds it easier to battle a foreign christian critic from america than for example that crowd outside
00:13:33.800 the birmingham school what do you think it's funny the united kingdom franklin graham is effectively banned
00:13:40.520 i mean i'm i'm sure they'll let him touch down in uk and go through customs not 100 certain but i'm 99
00:13:48.040 percent certain um but he certainly can't do his thing there but funny enough 23 000
00:13:57.000 jihadists can and i'm saying jihadists not muslims let me read a little bit from this article in the
00:14:03.700 times of london i've shown this to you several times before i'll read a little bit intelligence
00:14:07.860 officers have identified 23 000 jihadist extremists living in britain as potential terrorist attackers it
00:14:15.440 emerged yesterday the scale of the challenge facing the police and security services was
00:14:19.420 disclosed by whitehall sources after criticism that multiple opportunities to stop the manchester
00:14:23.940 bomber had been missed about 3 000 people from the total group are judged to pose a threat and are
00:14:30.480 under investigation or active monitoring in 500 operations being run by police and intelligence
00:14:37.620 services the 20 000 others have featured in previous inquiries and are categorized as posing a residual
00:14:43.600 risk oh my god
00:14:45.420 so 3 000 people are being followed pretty much around the clock in 500
00:14:51.820 police operations what does that mean that you're literally chasing someone 24 hours a day literally
00:14:59.420 waiting for them to stab someone or run their car over someone but you won't just scoop them up and
00:15:05.280 deport them or detain them that's exactly what this means and here's what that looks like this was just a
00:15:12.140 few days ago i think this was five days ago in london one of those 23 000 jihadis one of the 3 000
00:15:20.000 who's being tracked all the time he went on a stabbing spree right on the street in london before police
00:15:30.040 shot him you can see the police shooting him here and then they backed away because they thought he had
00:15:34.360 some bomb on him or something but if you look at the footage police were very close by they were on
00:15:44.060 motorbikes they were dressed plain clothes they had guns which is not ubiquitous in the uk they were so
00:15:50.340 close by they shot him after he only stabbed two people so they weren't called from a police station
00:15:58.440 they were following him on motorbikes with guns that's how much manpower was on this one
00:16:07.600 20 year old terrorist sudes a man was his name armed undercover cops just driving around town
00:16:14.320 behind him like he's got his own personal escort that's how imminent they knew his attack was
00:16:18.520 but they didn't try and stop him until after he stabbed two people they were that close to him
00:16:23.580 oh i didn't mention if you think that's crazy look at this the same terrorist had already been
00:16:30.840 convicted of multiple terrorism offenses but was let out by the british prison system anyways so it's
00:16:38.200 not just that the intelligence thought he was going to attack were so worried they were following him
00:16:44.060 they already knew he did attack was convicted was sentenced and they just puttered along behind him
00:16:50.780 until the stabbing started do you know how much manpower it takes to trail someone 24 hours a day
00:16:55.380 like that that's the luxury of being a british jihadi commit terrorism get out of jail in a year or two
00:17:02.480 be free to go wherever you like till you kill or attempt to kill again 23 000 suspects 3 000 of them
00:17:10.540 being tracked around the clock but franklin graham go home you bigot you're not welcome in the uk
00:17:19.060 like i say folks that's us in maybe five years stay with us for more about our interview with
00:17:27.600 maxime bernier that i tried to get from them yesterday we'll show it now here you go
00:17:32.260 maxime bernier thank you very much for meeting with me in your new studio thanks for letting me
00:17:50.180 visit you and tell us what you've been up to since the election thank you i'm very very pleased that you
00:17:56.460 are here today and you know i'm very busy i'm not a member of parliament as you know i didn't win at
00:18:02.400 the last election but i'm since fighting for what i believe and what we believe at the people's party
00:18:07.500 of canada it was a tough election for us but if you look back i think we made history it took 20 years
00:18:17.100 for the green party to have more than 1.6 of the vote 20 years and six election and we did that in
00:18:25.500 one year we created a party in one year we had 92 of the writings where we had a candidate 314 candidates
00:18:34.060 on 338 writings and so we built that party and too bad that i didn't win but when you fight for your
00:18:42.300 ideas and you don't win because uh you were honest with what you believe i think it's a honorable loss
00:18:49.980 and now i'm building the party again i'm speaking with our candidates we our goal is to have maybe 150
00:18:57.660 candidates ready at the end of this year and having the other candidates next year we are planning for
00:19:04.620 an election in two or three years so the party must be ready we don't have any deficit we were able to
00:19:11.100 raise more than 2.7 million dollars last year for the first year and we did a kind of a restructuration
00:19:18.380 at our head office in ottawa we have a few more people but it's working well i'm traveling a little
00:19:25.100 bit across the country i was out west a couple of months ago i was a guest speaker for the wexit
00:19:32.460 movement and having a discussion with people over there on fixing canada but right now the most
00:19:40.620 important for me is that new youtube channel the people's party of canada official youtube channel
00:19:47.740 i will have some guests like i had you for the first one i want to thank you very much thank you
00:19:52.460 for having me oh otherwise that was fun i think people will like it so the youtube channel more
00:19:58.700 present on the social media i didn't have time during the election yes i was very active on twitter
00:20:04.780 but people didn't see my face and so i would be more present on social media youtube facebook and
00:20:11.580 twitter and at the same time also i will always fight for the ideas that we believe in more
00:20:18.220 less government and more freedom now we're the conservative party of canada is in another leadership
00:20:24.060 race already and it started off slowly because it's such a high bar to get in three hundred thousand
00:20:30.620 dollars three thousand signatures and it's a pretty short time period but now it looks like there's
00:20:35.740 a lot of people sniffing around looking at it do you have any thoughts on either the i guess the a-list
00:20:43.660 candidates or or the others what is there anyone that you find hopeful is there anyone that you uh
00:20:49.820 think has ideas that are appealing that are possibilities yeah well i have the same questions i
00:20:55.900 wonder what what do you make of the whole thing but first of all maybe before answering that let's
00:21:01.020 speak about the process and i think the establishment of the party didn't want any outsider you know the
00:21:07.260 rules are so tight and three uh thousand signatures uh thirty three hundred thousand dollars it wasn't the
00:21:16.300 same rule that when i was running for the leadership of the conservative part of canada and the time also
00:21:21.980 is so short for having these signatures and the money so i think at the end they will have maybe
00:21:27.420 three or four candidates but um there's no debate there's no debate about ideas the big debate that they
00:21:34.060 had recently was about uh the leader participating in a parade in a parade parade and and peter mckay said
00:21:43.340 he will and then who she didn't so it's such important those are the issues that the media party would
00:21:50.060 want them to dance to i think that there's important issues that conservative politicians are afraid of
00:21:57.660 whether it's standing up to the uh global warming thesis or free speech or open borders immigration
00:22:07.900 i think the conservatives should be talking about real things instead of just dancing to whatever
00:22:12.380 the media party tells them to do is there anyone in the field that you think would resist the media
00:22:18.620 part that's my biggest criticism of the conservatives they aren't showing courage on ideas is there
00:22:23.660 anyone i i know i don't think so their goal is to like andrew she said now it's a centrist political
00:22:30.940 party and they want to have votes from the liberals so i don't think they will have a strong line on
00:22:37.500 immigration like you know for us it's very well known we want i mean isn't that a winner in quebec that's
00:22:42.860 what i don't get is that francois legault yeah and um not just in his reduction of immigration numbers
00:22:51.020 but in his bill 21 talking about the secular nature of the civil service those are hugely popular if i'm
00:22:57.260 reading the opinion so it's and i also notice that critics even in english canada are pretty timid
00:23:05.500 because they they know that's popular and they also respect the idea that quebec has a bit of its own
00:23:10.860 identity so it's amazing to me that legault is and he's the most popular premier absolutely in the
00:23:17.820 country according to the polls i i don't know why a conservative doesn't say i'm going to choose
00:23:24.700 that instead of the love of a hundred journalists in ottawa if it worked for legault could it work outside
00:23:33.180 quebec i think yes but in quebec we had that debate about identity for a long time uh you know
00:23:40.460 the only francophone uh place in north america uh and speaking about immigration speaking about
00:23:48.060 french language bill 101 and all that it's not new for quebecers but i think in english canada
00:23:54.300 speaking about immigration it is new as you remember you know somebody who supported our work
00:24:00.060 had some billboards all across the country during the campaign and said you know with my face and stop
00:24:05.180 mass immigration and it was a big scandal in english canada not in quebec yeah so we need to have that
00:24:11.980 debate and there's a canadian identity and we want to promote that you know one of the things that
00:24:18.140 irritated me about the election is i have a friend named salim mansoor yeah very thoughtful man he was
00:24:23.980 one of our candidates well and that's the thing is he wanted to run for the conservatives i've known him for
00:24:28.700 a decade he's a professor who worked his way up i think he started as a taxi driver when he came here
00:24:35.580 he's so thoughtful he's such a he's a progressive muslim he believes in the separation of mosque and
00:24:42.380 state he's he loves canadian values in my mind he's a star candidate uh professor thoughtful he's he's a
00:24:51.900 muslim immigrant who's made good yeah and he was rejected by the conservatives for being he said
00:24:58.540 to me they called him islamophobic he's muslim they're not that's crazy that's crazy and ran for
00:25:06.380 you guys which yeah but the fact that he was thrown out is crazy to me absolutely absolutely and for me
00:25:12.620 i was very happy because it's like you said he was a star candidate for us uh and but i don't think
00:25:20.140 that the conservative party will change i i said they're morally and intellectual intellectually corrupt
00:25:25.900 and with a new face that would be the same thing because their goal is only to have the power but
00:25:31.980 they don't know what to do if they're in government they don't you know they don't they don't believe
00:25:35.980 in big changes if you believe in big changes you need to speak about it during the election before
00:25:40.940 the election after the election all the time that's what i'm doing you they're conservative they're
00:25:45.340 supposed to balance to want to balance the budget at the last election no no i do share i'm not able to
00:25:50.300 balance the budget on immigration i won't do anything on free speech nothing special uh on on giving uh
00:25:58.700 money to big corporations and and uh uh it's oh no we like subsidies to corporations we won't we won't
00:26:04.780 stop that so there's a lot of things that are conservative that they must run on and they must
00:26:10.300 fight for it and they didn't do that in the past and they want in the future i don't i don't think so
00:26:15.420 well i hope they will because uh they have the institutional structure they have the fundraising
00:26:21.980 machine they have the riding associations they have the brand name yeah they have all the assets
00:26:28.060 but you can't put like if it was a pyramid they have all the blocks but the block on the top
00:26:34.300 didn't show courage didn't speak i but the establishment you're right the establishment you
00:26:39.900 when i was running i had 49 of devils i had a lot of support how come you left i remember
00:26:47.500 in that moment this is right before the the convention in halifax i remember thinking and i
00:26:53.900 think i might even said it to you just grit your teeth stick with it and if sheer fails which a lot
00:27:01.980 of people thought he would you would immediately be the heir apparent you would be the everyone would
00:27:06.140 say he should have won last time finally he too bad we didn't do it last time i and maybe you don't
00:27:13.580 want to talk about this i i thought that you could have stayed within the party being the charismatic
00:27:21.020 communicator being the keeper of the flame and if sheer would have won you would be in the tent and
00:27:29.260 if he would have lost which he did everyone would say okay it's magazine let's do this right
00:27:34.620 why did you feel the need to leave because all the problems we're talking about right now the party's
00:27:41.500 not strong the party's not principled and you're talking about the successes you had with the ppc okay
00:27:47.900 but you're comparing yourself to the green party instead of the people instead of the cpc yeah why did
00:27:53.820 you leave okay so first of all after the leadership race i didn't win with 49 of the vote but remember
00:28:01.100 i had only five mps on 99 mps who supported me right including myself right so four okay and after
00:28:08.780 that i worked for 15 months with the establishment of the party i didn't win with 49 of the votes so
00:28:15.820 our platform was very popular right balancing the budget and all our platform was very popular so i
00:28:21.260 tried to push the establishment to take some of our ideas for the next platform for the next campaign
00:28:26.700 and then who she and the establishment were very clear about that maxime all your ideas are extreme
00:28:32.540 we won't take it and blah blah when they tried to do to you what they did to salim mansoor yeah
00:28:38.140 and and when andrew shiel said publicly maxime bernie is not speaking for the conservative party anymore
00:28:44.300 he's speaking for himself after 15 months i said i cannot do anything in that party so i left i created
00:28:50.620 the people's party and during the election that was they didn't take any of the strong conservative
00:28:55.820 ideas and they were centrists and leftists and that and i i think right now the establishment is
00:29:02.300 controlling that party and that would be the same ideas because they're doing politics based on survey
00:29:07.580 and polling and focus group so when did you leave exactly what in august uh in august the election for the
00:29:15.340 the election for the conservative party of canada was in may 2017 right and i left the uh a year 15
00:29:24.940 months after that in august uh of 2018 of 2018. boy i wish you i wish you would have stuck around
00:29:33.340 i'm i'm just i'm just saying um that's my personal view is there i think there a lot of bridges were
00:29:40.060 burned both ways is there any chance that you would throw your hat in the ring now you say there's
00:29:45.100 no candidate for the conservatives that that is up to the ideological and and the courage that i
00:29:52.460 think you've shown i'm a fan of yours thanks wow is it just like like if you're saying that the
00:30:00.380 establishment or isn't good and if the candidates aren't good by your checklist you wouldn't you
00:30:09.260 wouldn't try and i mean what would happen if all your ppc members came into the conservatives
00:30:13.260 bought a membership to like you could raise 300 grand you have like you could do i'm just is it
00:30:21.260 possible to have a reconciliation i didn't come here to lobby you for that but i'm just thinking i agree
00:30:25.580 with you that the candidates who are running so far are not that inspirational you have a profile you
00:30:30.940 came in an extremely close second last time there's been a lot of water under the bridge in the last
00:30:35.820 couple years but you wouldn't even consider it no no absolutely not because you could make it in your own
00:30:40.860 image then yeah but they don't want me and i don't want to go there also it's past i've turned the
00:30:48.860 page and i know inside i know what they're doing you know i'll give you an example you know i want i
00:30:58.300 speak i spoke about the abolition of the cartel in daily poultry and milk the supply management oh i don't
00:31:04.380 understand andrew sheer's obsession with the dairy cartel yeah yeah but but you know the mps i had a
00:31:09.980 lot of people that were telling maxim i like you when i was running for the ownership i like your
00:31:14.540 ideas but you know i have a lot of dairy producer in my writing i cannot support you i had other
00:31:20.060 member of members of parliament who said maxim i like your ideas but cutting corporate welfare you know
00:31:24.940 i have gm in my writing i cannot support you so i didn't have the support of the mps and and that's
00:31:31.900 impossible you cannot if you don't have the support of the mps and i didn't have that with 49 of
00:31:37.980 support from the members so i don't want for me i turn the page the mps and the establishment they're
00:31:43.980 just there to look at the pool and try to win without speaking about the real issues and that's why you
00:31:50.220 know i i'm very happy with what i'm doing right now it's it's a big work it's a lot of work i need to
00:31:57.020 be back in government as soon as possible but you know i like fighting for the real ideas i've
00:32:03.580 traveled to europe in recent years and i've seen the rise of populist nationalist democratic parties
00:32:10.860 that focus a little bit on free speech uh controlling borders immigration yeah i've seen it
00:32:17.260 in all across europe sometimes they actually win yeah sometimes they come in second yeah but they're
00:32:22.620 very viable like even like italy right now there's a real populist movement with salvini um
00:32:29.420 and there's a place in canada for us well i mean brexit won trump won i thought maybe you would be that
00:32:37.020 force and i know from the success of rebel news that there are a lot of people who want to talk about
00:32:42.940 these issues i've just mentioned why institutionally have we not been able to copy brexit trump
00:32:50.860 salvini here builders in holland even uh the um even le pen in france some people object to her but just
00:33:00.620 the populist nationalists let's take let's get out of the the u.n or get out of uh the eu why haven't
00:33:06.620 we been is it the media is it the culture why can't we do that here well first of all uh we didn't have
00:33:12.540 a we didn't have a populist leader before and i think i'm the first one uh but i think we will
00:33:21.020 that's that's our future at the people's party uh the more we are are there the more we speak about
00:33:26.700 our ideas the better it will be for us uh maybe uh the immigration crisis in europe was a little bit
00:33:35.260 bigger than in canada right now we still have uh illegal migrants that are crossing the border in quebec
00:33:41.340 it's still you know it's not sustainable but you don't speak about that in october right now the
00:33:47.660 conservative party doesn't speak about that right now so what are they afraid of like what are they
00:33:53.420 really afraid of the cbc already hates them they can't double hate but they're afraid to be uh people
00:33:59.260 who say oh maybe you're racist you know what happened to me at the last election kinsella with the
00:34:03.340 conservative party of canada the conservative paid kinsella to discredit our party i heard you're
00:34:08.060 suing and i'm suing him yeah i'm suing absolutely it's my reputation it's our reputation but they're
00:34:13.820 afraid of that they're afraid of the mainstream media and but you need to do the fight and people
00:34:20.540 people know that we we are doing that fight for a better country well let me ask you about that
00:34:25.980 because i mean in germany for example the alternative for deutschland the afd party it's been around for
00:34:33.500 10 years or so i'm not sure exactly and it's starting people are getting used to them they're
00:34:37.660 comfortable with them and and they're a fact of life and they're not going to go away and
00:34:44.140 they've managed to resist the cancel culture yeah let me ask you this you don't have the seat in
00:34:51.020 parliament now you have professional dirty tricksters like warren kinsella smearing you as a racist um
00:34:57.820 you were telling me earlier that um you were speaking somewhere in quebec and someone tried
00:35:03.580 to have you banned which never would have happened in the past are you worried that you will be
00:35:09.580 cancelled you will be de-platformed you're a pretty big fish to be de-platformed but they de-platformed
00:35:16.140 big people in the u.s and the uk i'm glad you're starting your youtube channel and i'm glad you want to
00:35:21.820 keep working but are you worried you will be shut out banned from the cbc banned from newspapers other
00:35:28.140 than far-right maxime bernier are you worried that you're going to be demonized uh i hope it won't
00:35:35.980 happen but that's a risk um and if that happened that would be that would be huge uh because you know
00:35:44.860 former minister you know member of parliament for 30 years look at my past you know look at my videos
00:35:50.940 that i did a couple of years ago it's always about the same ideas so they cannot say that bernie is
00:35:57.340 a extreme right-wing radical they cannot if they look at what i said the last 30 years as an active
00:36:04.620 politician and so i i don't think it will happen but that's a risk and i hope in canada it won't happen
00:36:12.540 um i was at the the coulisses du pouvoir in french a couple of weeks ago what does that mean uh it's
00:36:22.140 uh it's uh it's big it's the daily uh not daily weekly uh show in french cbc radio canada speaking
00:36:30.940 about politics uh like the house it's in french in quebec and so what for for the country and i was there
00:36:38.940 and i explained to them and uh what i was doing and so i hope i will still have some well that's
00:36:44.940 good to be at the radio canada or cbc but uh it's a big challenge for us one phone call from the prime
00:36:52.140 minister's office and that'll stop it can happen yeah let me ask you one last question you've been
00:36:57.740 very generous with your time um i think about quebec and in i mean i don't know i don't speak french
00:37:06.380 very well at all so what i hear is filtered through the anglo media which i know i'm getting a
00:37:12.060 distorted view but legault and the cac party started from scratch not too long ago replaced both the
00:37:20.540 red and the blue team replaced both the party quebecois and the liberals majority we already
00:37:25.660 talked he's the most popular premier in the the country based on polls and the most important in
00:37:31.740 quebec is very very popular and i mean i don't know how important the immigration comments and the
00:37:39.180 secular you know no burke is in the workplace i don't know how important they are i think
00:37:45.580 people care about that and i think in quebec they maybe care extra much because they've been talking
00:37:49.820 about identity and they're worried quebecers are worried that they'll lose their hundreds of years
00:37:54.780 of history and they'll be washed away like a drop in the sea so i'm a western boy originally from
00:38:02.380 calgary and i'm in toronto now and i'm right wing reform party preston manning but maybe the hope
00:38:08.780 comes from quebec i always thought of quebec as a socialist place and economically it probably is
00:38:14.060 but culturally maybe by some definitions it's a conservative place and maybe quebec can be an
00:38:21.100 example for the rest of us and that good news can come from quebec and a role model can come from
00:38:26.700 quebec maybe not on economics but on culture and that on pipelines yeah those are big things but on
00:38:33.900 on immigration i think you have a point there how can we get that to spread to anglo canada yeah but
00:38:39.260 i try to do that and but on on immigration identity quebec use and still fight for their identity
00:38:50.140 francophone uh in in north america uh and i think in english canada they know what's happening right
00:38:57.740 now in europe and they're looking at it and they say you know we must do like we did in the past being
00:39:02.780 able to select our immigrants and it's a privilege to be canadians and not these people who are crossing
00:39:08.380 illegally our border borders right now so that debate on immigration i think we can have i hope at the
00:39:15.020 next election uh i will be able to have a debate on that subject i was not able to you know i was
00:39:21.660 shut down and uh oh you're by kinsella and the conservative party you're a racist you're so i hope
00:39:27.660 that and that didn't happen in quebec in in the media in quebec people know maxime bernier and they're
00:39:35.020 used to that debate nobody said in quebec that i was a racist and kinsella was not credible in quebec but
00:39:41.820 in english canada you know i'm people say what's what's that language about immigration they were
00:39:47.180 not used to that but the more you speak about that the better we'll be so there's a nice i think there's
00:39:53.340 a future for a populist party in this country that's why i'm i'm i'm fighting for that all right very
00:39:59.660 interesting um we spoke yesterday you told me you're having a new show a weekly show that's why i'm here
00:40:07.020 and i said well if i go on your story can you come on mine tell us a little bit about your plans for
00:40:11.740 the weekly show i'm glad you're coming on youtube yeah i hope you're not de-platformed on youtube tell
00:40:16.540 me um without giving away yeah you know you're i don't want to steal your thunder but tell us what
00:40:21.340 you can about your new program um and the kind of things you want to do yeah first of all i will uh
00:40:27.660 comments the news for sure i will have an interview uh every every week with a different
00:40:33.340 person and i'm very pleased that you are the first one thank you about free speech and uh we'll have
00:40:39.180 a discussion about the deficit and monetary policy with a statistician and an economist a couple of
00:40:46.700 shows from now we'll have university professor having some discussion so the goal is to have debates
00:40:52.780 and to engage in discussion and i'm open also to have some leftists that want to debate something
00:40:58.380 with me and my show i'm open for that and and and the goal for me personally is to use the social
00:41:06.700 media and youtube and to promote our ideas because we think that we have the best ideas based on freedom
00:41:13.180 personal responsibility respect fairness so that's why it was important and it is important for me to
00:41:19.900 start that youtube channel well we'll sure be watching it and if it's on youtube we'll be able to embed
00:41:26.860 your tube video your youtube video is right on our website so people will find it and we'll be
00:41:31.580 sure to keep an eye yeah that's the official people's party of canada youtube channel perfect
00:41:36.940 we'll have a link to it on the show great to see you i'm glad you're in high spirits i'm glad you've
00:41:41.740 got big plans and i hope that some of your ideas will find purchase in the canadian political culture
00:41:48.300 because we sure need it thank you for having me yes well what do you think of my interview with
00:42:02.060 maxime bernier i know that he's a divisive force amongst our viewers some passionately like him
00:42:07.500 some think he was a terrible splitter a splittist uh and it is true that he did split some of the vote but
00:42:14.860 not enough to cost andrew sheer uh the election when andrew sheer gets full credit for that himself
00:42:22.220 in my interview with him i expressed my own personal view as i have before that i wish
00:42:25.820 he never split from the conservative party and had he managed to stay in that party not only could he
00:42:30.780 have helped it i believe in the last election but even if he couldn't have saved it he would obviously
00:42:35.980 be the heir apparent right now um i don't know he certainly seems resolved to stay outside of it didn't
00:42:42.380 need well that's our show for today until monday on behalf of all of us here at rebel world
00:42:48.140 headquarters good night and keep fighting for freedom