Rebel News Podcast - January 15, 2019


Chrystia Freeland rescues young Saudi woman from luxury Bangkok airport hotel — but silent about a Canadian on China's death row


Episode Stats

Length

42 minutes

Words per Minute

165.34125

Word Count

7,062

Sentence Count

512

Misogynist Sentences

20

Hate Speech Sentences

25


Summary

A Saudi woman, 18, battles to avoid being returned to her family, who she fears will kill her after being stopped at Bangkok airport when she fled, having renounced Islam. She says they would kill her if she returned.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Tonight, Chrystia Freeland rescues a young Saudi woman from the discomfort of a luxury
00:00:04.480 airport hotel in Thailand, but is silent about a Canadian on death row in China.
00:00:09.880 It's January 14th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
00:00:14.740 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:00:18.520 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
00:00:22.600 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it
00:00:26.100 is because it's my bloody right to do so.
00:00:30.000 About 10 days ago, someone wrote this tweet in Arabic
00:00:37.900 from a luxury airport hotel in Bangkok, Thailand.
00:00:41.700 Now, you can see the English translation underneath.
00:00:45.280 That's Twitter's built-in translation.
00:00:46.920 It says, I am the girl who escaped from Kuwait to Thailand.
00:00:50.160 My life is at stake, and I am now in real danger
00:00:52.200 if I am forcibly returned to Saudi Arabia.
00:00:57.360 That is a pretty dramatic tweet, you must say.
00:01:00.700 And as things go, if you ask me to choose between a young woman
00:01:03.140 and a fascist theocracy of Saudi Arabia,
00:01:06.220 I'm going to choose a young woman's freedom every time.
00:01:09.300 She wrote some more.
00:01:10.020 She said, my name is Raf Mohammed,
00:01:13.040 and I will publish my full name on the case.
00:01:15.600 If my family in Saudi Arabia and the Kuwait embassy,
00:01:18.300 man, do not stop chasing me.
00:01:20.160 So the translation's not perfect, but you get the point.
00:01:22.460 She started tweeting more and more and bolder and bolder.
00:01:25.460 Eventually, she did use her full real name.
00:01:28.740 Eventually, she showed her face and started showing forms of identification, too,
00:01:32.980 to prove she was who she said she was.
00:01:34.880 And then she started tweeting in English,
00:01:36.600 which makes sense politically, of course.
00:01:39.120 If you are a young woman who wants help to flee from Saudi Arabian imams,
00:01:43.840 you speak in English, not Arabic.
00:01:45.260 She said, I'm the girl who run away from Kuwait to Thailand.
00:01:50.860 I'm in real danger because the Saudi embassy trying to forcing me
00:01:53.740 to go back to Saudi Arabia while I'm at the airport waiting for my second flight.
00:01:58.260 So that's her own English, not Bing's translation, but it's pretty good English.
00:02:03.680 Now, one of the world's fastest newspapers, and what I mean by that
00:02:07.040 is they really cover breaking news well,
00:02:10.020 is the Daily Mail online from the United Kingdom.
00:02:13.060 And they saw the power of this story. It's quite a story, isn't it?
00:02:15.680 Let me read their headline, and I love how the Mail online has their bullet points.
00:02:19.760 It's a great paper. Here, let me read.
00:02:21.460 They say, I'm so scared. I have to fight. I don't want to lose my life.
00:02:25.540 Saudi woman, 18, battles to avoid being returned to her family,
00:02:28.440 who she fears will kill, K-I-L-L, her,
00:02:31.580 after being stopped at Bangkok airport when she fled, having renounced Islam.
00:02:35.320 And then you see those bullet points? I love that in a newspaper.
00:02:38.440 And here's the facts.
00:02:39.220 Rahaf Mohamed Al-Qun, 18, is being held in Bangkok, awaiting deportation.
00:02:46.000 She fled her Saudi family, having renounced Islam, and says they will kill her.
00:02:50.420 She told Mail Online, they will kill me.
00:02:52.420 I am so scared. I don't know what I will do.
00:02:54.200 I have to fight because I don't want to lose my life.
00:02:56.560 She was trying to reach Australia via Bangkok,
00:02:58.560 but a Saudi official confiscated her passport
00:03:00.640 after her mail guardian said she was traveling without his permission.
00:03:03.680 She was due to be deported at 4.15 a.m.,
00:03:06.940 but the Kuwait flight she was set to be on has left without her today, officials said.
00:03:11.360 Activists and campaigners are publicizing her case with the hashtag Save Rahaf.
00:03:17.420 Again, I like the fact that she wants to be free, don't you?
00:03:19.780 And that she's a woman, and that she rejects Islam,
00:03:22.660 and wants to feel the sun on her face, not wearing a cab.
00:03:25.800 What a pleasant change from the Muslim extremists who want to flood into the West,
00:03:30.420 seeking to colonize and convert and bring Sharia law.
00:03:32.620 This woman looks like the opposite, doesn't she?
00:03:35.360 The fact that she's a pretty teenager who speaks English helps a little bit, too.
00:03:40.100 At least that's what Chrystia Freeland, our foreign minister, must have thought.
00:03:43.880 Oh, Chrystia Freeland has had a terrible month.
00:03:46.800 Well, imagine what it's like for the hostages in China.
00:03:50.540 Look at this headline. I've shown it to you before from the Globe and Mail.
00:03:53.740 13 Canadians have been detained in China since Huawei executives' arrest, says Ottawa.
00:03:57.260 China has seized 13 of our fellow citizens as payback.
00:04:02.120 For our lawful arrest of a Chinese tycoon named Meng Wanzhou.
00:04:06.900 China's still holding several of these hostages, including a former diplomat.
00:04:10.360 That is so outside the law.
00:04:16.220 But what a disaster it's been.
00:04:18.020 So Freeland saw an opportunity for a quick media win, don't you think?
00:04:22.520 Now, the young woman in Bangkok, Rahaf Al-Khanoun, she wanted to go to Australia.
00:04:27.760 She was going to Australia.
00:04:29.740 She was on her way there.
00:04:30.880 She applied for asylum in Australia.
00:04:32.580 Australia, their government, was considering her application.
00:04:36.340 But Freeland moved faster.
00:04:38.320 She didn't need a hearing.
00:04:39.440 She didn't need any paperwork.
00:04:40.880 She saw the Twitter tweets.
00:04:43.060 And we know that's how decisions in Canada are made.
00:04:46.440 That's how Justin Trudeau opened up our border between Quebec and New York State.
00:04:50.180 This tweet.
00:04:51.800 A tweet saying, hey, everybody's welcome.
00:04:53.740 Come on in.
00:04:55.620 About 50,000 people have crossed illegally since.
00:04:57.800 So, yeah, Twitter is our new rule of law under the liberals.
00:05:00.080 And so while Australia was actually, you know, considering the application on the merits of the case, getting details like a biography and maybe some proof of things, you know, Freeland read the tweets and that was enough for her.
00:05:12.360 So she's so desperate for a PR win.
00:05:14.780 So she brought Al-Khanoun to Canada on the weekend.
00:05:18.520 And she was, she made sure that she was there to mug for the cameras when Al-Khanoun walked in.
00:05:25.280 And look at this, look at this weird, domineering, handsy, smothering, mothering, showboating, just so weird.
00:05:37.600 Watch this.
00:05:38.240 This is Rahaf Al-Khanoun, a very brave new Canadian.
00:05:43.760 And Rahaf wanted Canadians to see that she's arrived at her new home.
00:05:48.680 But she's had a very long and tiring journey.
00:05:53.200 And so she would prefer not to take questions today.
00:05:57.520 So please respect her.
00:05:59.720 She's a very brave young woman who's been through a lot.
00:06:02.600 And she is now going to go to her new home.
00:06:06.960 And then I'll come out and say a few words that people would like.
00:06:10.360 Okay?
00:06:11.560 Say one comment.
00:06:12.860 Hey, everybody, look at me.
00:06:16.080 Hey, everybody, I'm a politician.
00:06:17.560 I'm part of the story, too.
00:06:19.760 Only talk to me, okay?
00:06:21.580 Don't talk to her.
00:06:22.520 Hey, everybody.
00:06:23.540 She's with me, you know.
00:06:24.620 Look, I'm hugging her.
00:06:25.740 I'm here.
00:06:26.480 Hey, everybody, it's me, Chrystia Freeland.
00:06:29.560 Oh, by the way, did she call Al-Khanoun a Canadian?
00:06:33.180 Because she's actually not, is she?
00:06:35.880 I mean, you don't just become a Canadian because a media hound cabinet minister says you are
00:06:40.920 and maybe touches you with her fairy wand.
00:06:43.420 You have to apply to be a Canadian for real.
00:06:46.020 Well, you have to be a permanent resident first.
00:06:48.720 You have to have your refugee claim heard by a real court, not just by a politician.
00:06:53.340 Politicians just can't hand out citizenship like loot bags.
00:06:56.620 Can't hand out refugee status like loot bags.
00:06:58.680 That's actually covered by laws.
00:06:59.740 Even if Trudeau breaks those laws or encourages others to break the laws like our border.
00:07:03.840 It's pretty weird and pretty gross.
00:07:05.560 But I think the key word is pretty.
00:07:07.120 Rahaf Al-Khanoun is a pretty girl from Arabia.
00:07:11.820 Much more telegenic than most of Trudeau's Muslim migrants who come to Canada wearing hijabs
00:07:16.740 or the full face obscuring the cab and who bring medieval ideas with them.
00:07:21.820 Don't throw off their medieval ideas.
00:07:23.320 I like this girl.
00:07:24.880 Even though some of her story, well, some parts of it seem to change.
00:07:29.080 I mean, maybe it's not important that she sometimes says she's 18 and sometimes says she's 20.
00:07:33.140 She's obviously an elite member of Saudi society.
00:07:37.020 Her dad is apparently a governor or something.
00:07:40.060 No problem.
00:07:41.600 She was in Thailand.
00:07:42.700 That's a pretty good country.
00:07:44.400 On her way to Australia.
00:07:45.740 That's a pretty good country.
00:07:47.860 They were already helping her out.
00:07:50.100 It's pretty good.
00:07:51.360 So it didn't really feel like a crisis.
00:07:53.100 She was in a pretty comfy hotel.
00:07:56.220 But this was a great opportunity for Chrystia Freeland.
00:07:58.300 And certainly better than dealing with this news today.
00:08:02.600 And this is the news of the day.
00:08:04.820 In the New York Times, China sentences a Canadian, Robert Lloyd Schellenberg, to death.
00:08:08.700 He wasn't originally sentenced to death there, but they kicked it up a notch after Canada arrested Meng in December.
00:08:14.080 Let me read the first sentence from the New York Times.
00:08:15.780 Ready?
00:08:17.040 China's diplomatic clash with Canada escalated sharply on Monday.
00:08:20.240 That's today.
00:08:20.840 When a Chinese court sentenced a Canadian to death for a drug smuggling at a one-day retrial ordered weeks after a Chinese executive's arrest in Canada.
00:08:31.140 That's how they roll in China.
00:08:32.780 A one-day retrial.
00:08:35.120 A do-over.
00:08:36.380 In one day.
00:08:38.240 To kill a guy.
00:08:39.600 I have no idea if he really is a drug dealer.
00:08:41.840 But I do have an idea about Chinese courts.
00:08:44.200 They are not independent.
00:08:45.020 They're really just window dressing for whatever the Communist Party says.
00:08:48.240 There are some lawyers in China, but they're really symbolic.
00:08:52.020 The fix was in.
00:08:52.740 Maybe he really was a drug dealer, but it's certain that this was an escalation.
00:08:57.200 China is saying, you arrest one of ours, we kill one of yours.
00:09:01.320 So that was the news that Chrystia Freeland was facing today.
00:09:04.100 So why not scoop up a bounty, a prize, and make sure that she hugs you and make sure she doesn't say anything.
00:09:13.480 Only you get to talking.
00:09:14.720 Isn't that weird?
00:09:15.500 Now, as I do my research for this video, Chrystia Freeland has yet to put out a public statement on the death sentence in China.
00:09:26.340 Now, the last thing I see, and maybe this will change between when I speak this and when it goes to air,
00:09:32.340 but the last thing I see on her Twitter feed is indeed about Thailand.
00:09:34.860 You see that thing, that Thai pongal thing there?
00:09:37.220 That's just typical political pandering to some Thai ethnic festival of some sort.
00:09:44.360 So I scrolled back a few days, and I saw nothing about this death sentence.
00:09:48.580 I saw this tweet by her a few days ago.
00:09:50.840 Now, Canada is seriously alarmed by today's court decision in Myanmar, that's Burma,
00:09:57.180 to uphold the imprisonment of Reuters journalists, Wa Lone and Kia So-U.
00:10:02.000 Now, I'm sure that Wa Lone and Kia So-U are good people.
00:10:07.720 I'm sure they've been mistreated.
00:10:09.780 I mean, I'm not sure, but let's assume that.
00:10:12.640 The problem is they're just not Canadian.
00:10:15.100 They have no connection to Canada.
00:10:16.540 They work for Reuters, and so used to...
00:10:19.940 Christy Freeland worked for Reuters before she ran for office.
00:10:21.960 So maybe this is a favor to her old company that, I don't know, that would be how the
00:10:26.900 liberals work, but maybe she just really likes to virtue signal to show how much she
00:10:30.640 cares about people, just not people she has any responsibility for or can do anything
00:10:35.780 about.
00:10:36.480 I showed you the other day how Trudeau and Freeland literally made 10 public statements
00:10:41.720 on Twitter about a Saudi national named Jamal Khashoggi who got into a fight between
00:10:46.420 Qatar and Saudi Arabia and Turkey, and the Saudis killed them, which is too bad.
00:10:49.860 Here's a picture of Khashoggi holding a rocket-propelled grenade launcher with the Taliban, so I'm
00:10:55.900 not really surprised that his life ended in violence rather than in old age.
00:11:00.960 There's no Canadian connection to Jamal Khashoggi.
00:11:03.120 It's really none of our business, frankly, but Freeland deeply cared, so did Trudeau.
00:11:07.140 It's weird that way.
00:11:08.920 A few weeks ago, this guy, scroll down, show his face, a few weeks ago, this guy became
00:11:14.800 a Twitter airport celebrity too.
00:11:17.500 Hassan Al-Khantar is his name.
00:11:21.560 He was stuck in an airport in Malaysia.
00:11:24.480 Again, like Thailand, Malaysia's not a terrible place.
00:11:28.860 He's not a refugee.
00:11:30.120 He left Syria in 2006 to go work in the United Arab Emirates in marketing.
00:11:36.540 And his work visa expired, but he stayed there anyways until they finally kicked him out and
00:11:41.280 sent him to Malaysia this year.
00:11:42.680 He wanted to go somewhere cool, like Ecuador, but he couldn't for whatever reason, so he
00:11:47.240 just stayed at the airport in Malaysia and blogged about it, and he was really cool, and
00:11:52.340 he didn't want to go back to Syria, even though the civil war there is over.
00:11:55.420 And he's just some cool guy.
00:11:57.820 And so Christopher Freeland saw him on Twitter, and presto, saw him on Twitter, presto, he's
00:12:03.560 not a refugee here, but he was brought here.
00:12:09.740 They turned him into a refugee, but he's a refugee from what?
00:12:12.480 He hasn't even been in Syria in more than a decade.
00:12:15.020 Why are we taking all these Twitter heroes from airports around the world?
00:12:19.900 So you've got a couple of media-savvy refugees jumping to the front of the queue.
00:12:26.240 But no help for this woman, Asia Bibi.
00:12:28.240 We talked about her before.
00:12:29.380 She's a Christian who has literally been sentenced to death in Pakistan for blasphemy because
00:12:34.200 she would not submit to Islam.
00:12:36.960 She was literally sentenced to death, and mobs hunted door-to-door to kill her.
00:12:41.480 No help for her, though, because she's a gross Christian, and some Pakistanis would be mad.
00:12:46.160 And Trudeau has ended Stephen Harper's policy of letting Christian refugees into Canada.
00:12:51.060 It's funny because Harper would talk about letting Christian refugees into Canada, and
00:12:55.520 in the 2015 campaign, Trudeau called that disgusting.
00:13:00.400 He said it was disgusting that Harper would meet with these Christian refugees.
00:13:05.500 Do you remember this from the 2015 campaign?
00:13:08.500 Somewhere in the Prime Minister's office, staffers were pouring through their personal
00:13:15.580 files to try and see whether these families or find out which families would be suitable
00:13:22.820 for a photo-op for the Prime Minister's re-election campaign?
00:13:29.600 That's disgusting.
00:13:36.100 That's not the Canada we want.
00:13:40.460 That's not the Canada we need to build.
00:13:43.080 Yeah, that was 2015 when he was campaigning in the last election.
00:13:49.840 This cringe-fest is from The Weeknd.
00:13:53.080 This is Rahaf Al-Qinan, a very brave new Canadian.
00:13:58.380 And Rahaf wanted Canadians to see that she's arrived at her new home, but she's had a very
00:14:05.060 long and tiring journey, and so she would prefer not to take questions today.
00:14:12.220 So please respect her.
00:14:14.340 She's a very brave young woman who's been through a lot, and she is now going to go to her new
00:14:20.780 home, and then I'll come out and say a few words that people would like.
00:14:24.840 Oh, by the way, obviously these things are scripted.
00:14:32.100 As we showed you a couple of years ago, just before Syrians get on the plane to Canada,
00:14:37.180 Trudeau pressures them to sign a photo release, a waiver letting him use their pictures for
00:14:46.220 his campaigning.
00:14:47.140 These are Syrians.
00:14:49.300 They don't know their rights.
00:14:50.140 They don't know what they have to do when the boss of the new country tells them that.
00:14:53.960 They don't know what happens if they were to say no.
00:14:55.800 Will Trudeau even let them on the plane anymore?
00:14:57.340 So, of course, they all sign the release to let Trudeau use them in photo ops.
00:15:01.440 So much for being disgusting.
00:15:04.360 I wonder if Chrystia Freeland got a release from Rahaf Al-Qinan.
00:15:07.360 I wonder what she said in return for things.
00:15:12.400 I wonder what the deal was.
00:15:13.820 It was pretty weird and gross.
00:15:15.580 Even Scott Gilmore, do you know who he is?
00:15:18.380 He's that far left, open borders, wacko at McLean's, better known as the house husband
00:15:23.160 of Catherine McKenna, the far left, wacko environmental minister.
00:15:27.040 Anyways, Scott Gilmore was furious about this whole thing.
00:15:30.420 What?
00:15:31.360 Yeah, it's weird coming from one photo op liberal to another, isn't it?
00:15:34.820 Look at this.
00:15:35.500 Look at what Scott Gilmore said.
00:15:36.880 He said, I confess to mixed feelings about this.
00:15:40.260 I'm delighted she is now safe, but this is suspiciously fast.
00:15:44.020 Was there political pressure on officials to quickly approve her claim?
00:15:47.420 Does this mean politicians could also apply pressure to stop an application?
00:15:51.660 You can't have it both ways.
00:15:54.000 Whoa!
00:15:54.680 I have never seen a liberal oppose a refugee ever, not once before.
00:16:00.320 And this, he was saying that in reply to the New York Times story about Al-Qinanun landing.
00:16:06.080 Look what he said in response to that.
00:16:08.100 He said, but not until I paraded around with her in front of the cameras a bit.
00:16:14.620 Oh, that's a low blow.
00:16:16.480 When the house husband of Catherine McKenna is saying that you swan for the cameras too much,
00:16:23.180 you know they're fighting rough.
00:16:24.320 And I have never in my life seen a liberal say this before.
00:16:29.520 There's something very grubby about using an asylum seeker recently traumatized by her own murderer's family as a photoprop.
00:16:38.140 Whoa!
00:16:39.140 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:16:41.160 What is going on here?
00:16:43.420 Why is Mr. Catherine McKenna telling Chrystia Freeland to not do photo ops?
00:16:49.040 Well, I'm not quite sure.
00:16:51.320 We have someone, Rahaf Al-Qinanun, who says she's 18 or maybe she's 20,
00:16:58.240 who says they're in danger if she goes back to Saudi Arabia, which could be true.
00:17:01.920 But she's in Bangkok, and Australia is open to taking her.
00:17:07.140 But then Chrystia Freeland swoops in, grabs her, physically grabs her,
00:17:10.520 and makes sure they're in a really cringy airport.
00:17:14.200 Welcome.
00:17:15.340 But no media, people.
00:17:16.400 No media.
00:17:17.020 Just media on me, Chrystia Freeland.
00:17:18.620 I'm the only one who gets to talk to the camera.
00:17:20.000 No one else, okay?
00:17:21.720 Why?
00:17:22.960 Why can't we hear even one word from the girl herself?
00:17:26.420 She has been quite loquacious on Twitter.
00:17:28.780 She has said everything about her situation on Twitter.
00:17:32.600 She surely has already disclosed everything,
00:17:35.620 except perhaps what her deal with the Liberal Party was.
00:17:39.680 We know her name.
00:17:40.880 We know her father's name.
00:17:42.240 We know all her details, everything.
00:17:43.820 We've seen all her ID.
00:17:45.940 We just don't know what Chrystia Freeland said and did
00:17:48.400 and what promises were exchanged and what releases were signed.
00:17:54.360 Were any photo releases signed in the airport there?
00:17:58.780 to agree to be in a political campaign?
00:18:02.260 I think that's what Catherine McKenna's house husband knows,
00:18:06.360 that the rest of us don't.
00:18:09.300 What do you think?
00:18:11.440 Stay with us for more.
00:18:12.400 Why did you come on down here today?
00:18:27.480 Just standing up for religious freedoms, our constitution.
00:18:30.980 Yeah, and just not only for Christian faith, but all faiths.
00:18:34.780 I think it's important that we stand up for what's right.
00:18:38.820 What brought you down here today?
00:18:40.080 I just believe it's an important issue.
00:18:43.180 You always got to pick your battles.
00:18:44.140 I think this is a major battle.
00:18:45.740 As Mark Stein said, this is a hill to die on.
00:18:48.060 What is the central issue in your mind?
00:18:51.240 Freedom of speech, freedom of religion,
00:18:53.040 and I would be here if there's any other group as well.
00:18:54.900 Why are you here today?
00:18:56.100 I'm here because I don't believe that city council
00:18:58.220 should be our moral compass,
00:19:00.020 and I believe that they shouldn't be making any motions
00:19:03.020 on things that they're not informed about,
00:19:04.900 and I'm a huge believer in freedom of speech
00:19:07.860 and freedom of expression.
00:19:09.960 Well, you might remember some of that.
00:19:12.180 That was about five years ago
00:19:13.920 when the Nanaimo City Council
00:19:16.960 went on a strange anti-Christian bender.
00:19:21.280 You see, there was a Christian conference in the States
00:19:25.120 that was being telecast live by satellite
00:19:28.240 to convention centers around North America
00:19:30.260 so you could attend by video phone, really,
00:19:34.760 a giant Skype screen,
00:19:36.500 and enjoy the conference from Nanaimo,
00:19:39.620 from Calgary, whatever,
00:19:40.660 with your friends at a facility that had a big screen.
00:19:43.480 And so a local church in Nanaimo, British Columbia,
00:19:46.880 rented out the Vancouver Island Community Center
00:19:51.520 in, or convention center in Nanaimo
00:19:55.260 to watch this video.
00:19:56.820 It was very bland, by the way.
00:19:58.260 You had Condoleezza Rice.
00:19:59.660 You had Laura Bush.
00:20:00.640 Like, it was very mainstream Christian,
00:20:03.400 a little bit conservative, but not much.
00:20:06.120 Well, when the Nanaimo City Council heard this,
00:20:09.820 they went nuts.
00:20:11.580 I don't know why.
00:20:12.460 They equated this conference with Boko Haram,
00:20:18.560 a Muslim terrorist group from Africa.
00:20:21.420 They ripped up the contract that they had
00:20:24.280 with this local church,
00:20:26.400 and they actually passed a bylaw
00:20:28.700 banning any Christian groups
00:20:31.720 that they called divisive,
00:20:33.700 who was divisive there.
00:20:35.340 You might recall that
00:20:36.540 because that was the first campaign battle
00:20:39.000 that I ever fought on TV.
00:20:41.640 We made a petition,
00:20:42.740 and one of the things we did
00:20:45.020 that I think righted the wrongs
00:20:47.640 was we hired John Carpe,
00:20:51.460 this civil liberties lawyer,
00:20:53.460 to take on the bullies and the bigots,
00:20:56.320 and we won.
00:20:57.400 And I should tell you that later that year,
00:20:59.680 Nanaimo City Council was almost completely thrown out
00:21:02.200 in the election.
00:21:03.280 Now, I tell you all that because I read a story,
00:21:07.240 and I thought, oh, my God,
00:21:08.340 I have seen every single part of this before.
00:21:11.620 This exact same story,
00:21:13.080 a local Christian group
00:21:14.480 renting out a local government-owned facility
00:21:17.500 just for some normal, normal stuff,
00:21:20.060 and then some anti-Christian bigots
00:21:22.400 ripping up the contract
00:21:23.520 and joining us now to talk about it.
00:21:25.260 is the only man in Canada
00:21:27.440 who cares enough to fight?
00:21:30.120 Our friend, John Carpe,
00:21:32.020 who joins us now via Skype from Calgary.
00:21:33.980 John is the boss of the Justice Center
00:21:35.700 for Constitutional Freedom.
00:21:36.480 John, I'm not sure if I told that story very well,
00:21:39.040 but that was a big win for us in Nanaimo.
00:21:41.880 We got the City Council to back down.
00:21:44.120 It's like I've seen that movie before.
00:21:46.400 This is the sequel,
00:21:47.340 but it's just across the Georgia Strait
00:21:51.920 in New Westminster, B.C., am I right?
00:21:55.600 Yeah, it was five years ago,
00:21:58.060 and the parallels are striking.
00:22:00.360 This time, New Westminster, not Nanaimo,
00:22:03.340 but you've got city facilities.
00:22:07.040 You have a contract in place.
00:22:09.340 There's a small, local, multicultural church,
00:22:13.500 lots of people from Africa,
00:22:15.840 and they don't have their own church buildings,
00:22:19.300 so they wanted to rent
00:22:20.140 the New Westminster Municipal Facility,
00:22:23.980 which is called the Anvil Centre.
00:22:25.780 They wanted to rent it out for a conference.
00:22:27.820 The conference was called Let God Be True,
00:22:30.860 which is LGBT, kind of a play on words there,
00:22:35.220 Let God Be True,
00:22:36.020 and it was to address, among other things,
00:22:38.360 address Christian perspective
00:22:40.020 on sexuality and marriage and related issues,
00:22:43.980 and the city just up and cancelled
00:22:47.280 the contract that they had signed and agreed to,
00:22:51.360 and so now we've got a court action on the goal.
00:22:54.340 Well, I remember in Nanaimo,
00:22:56.080 and that was when you and I really fought,
00:22:57.940 that was the first time we fought
00:22:58.940 with a petition on TV,
00:23:00.780 and we flew out there,
00:23:01.760 and we had a bit of a protest
00:23:02.560 outside the city hall,
00:23:04.380 and we really revved things up.
00:23:06.200 We went full tilt.
00:23:06.980 We even had a pollster.
00:23:08.080 We polled the city.
00:23:09.020 Like, I just thought this is,
00:23:10.700 and it was crazy there,
00:23:12.140 but they dug in,
00:23:14.260 they dug in their heels,
00:23:15.060 they dug in their heels,
00:23:15.920 but within a day of you sending them
00:23:18.860 a demand letter,
00:23:20.220 they obviously got legal advice
00:23:21.860 that showed they were going to lose,
00:23:23.240 and they caved in completely.
00:23:25.700 They actually apologized,
00:23:27.320 and I think they wound up paying
00:23:29.400 a sum of money to the Christian church.
00:23:33.060 I don't know how much for damages.
00:23:34.880 So that was a huge success,
00:23:36.800 and of course later that year,
00:23:38.580 the Nanaimo City Hall was thrown out,
00:23:40.760 and the mayor came in third.
00:23:42.560 He was just trashed.
00:23:44.500 What's New Westminster doing?
00:23:47.220 They're digging in their heels so far.
00:23:50.100 They're going to fight us hard on this,
00:23:52.040 and it's the same issue.
00:23:53.760 It's intolerance towards a religious approach
00:23:58.780 to sexuality and marriage.
00:24:01.160 As you and I both know,
00:24:02.480 not every Canadian agrees
00:24:04.620 when it comes to sex and marriage
00:24:08.300 and sexual morality.
00:24:10.020 On the one side,
00:24:11.640 you've got Muslims and Orthodox Jews
00:24:14.160 and practicing Christians
00:24:15.260 who have one perspective on sex,
00:24:18.980 and on the other,
00:24:19.940 you've got progressive or atheistic secularists.
00:24:25.160 And the thing is,
00:24:25.920 in a free country,
00:24:26.680 you allow both views
00:24:28.620 and you allow members of both sides
00:24:32.680 to use city facilities.
00:24:35.600 I mean, this is just a basic fundamental freedom.
00:24:39.020 If the city is going to have city-owned facilities
00:24:43.400 that are available for rental,
00:24:45.780 then you can't say,
00:24:47.280 well, you're only allowed to use the city facilities
00:24:49.440 if you have the correct viewpoint
00:24:52.680 on marriage and sexuality.
00:24:55.820 And that was the reason for the cancellation,
00:24:57.540 in both in the Nanaimo case,
00:25:00.260 there is one of the sponsors
00:25:01.600 of the Telecast International Skype conference
00:25:07.620 was Dan Cathy with Chick-fil-A,
00:25:11.500 who was on record
00:25:12.480 as opposing same-sex marriage.
00:25:15.180 And now here in BC,
00:25:17.260 it's the same old thing.
00:25:18.540 It's the same old, same old.
00:25:19.460 You've got the city saying,
00:25:20.680 you know,
00:25:21.280 you can't have the incorrect view
00:25:23.800 on sexuality.
00:25:27.480 And if you don't think the way that we do,
00:25:29.860 then you're not allowed to use city-owned facilities.
00:25:33.180 And that's just completely unacceptable.
00:25:35.380 Yeah.
00:25:35.860 What was so incredible about the case in Nanaimo
00:25:38.400 is, I mean,
00:25:39.460 Nanaimo's a fairly small city.
00:25:40.540 I like Nanaimo.
00:25:41.240 I go there every year in the summertime.
00:25:44.260 I love Vancouver Island.
00:25:45.460 How can you not?
00:25:46.600 It's a small city, though.
00:25:47.680 Like, it's under 100,000 people.
00:25:50.240 But they're so self-important,
00:25:51.620 those politicians.
00:25:52.780 They video their city council meetings,
00:25:55.880 and they have this gorgeous facility.
00:25:57.780 And so you could watch
00:25:58.720 every single word on TV.
00:26:00.260 It was shocking.
00:26:01.500 And you saw counselors call them bigots,
00:26:03.680 call them terrorists,
00:26:04.920 compare them to the mafia.
00:26:06.580 I mentioned that one counselor
00:26:08.340 compared them to Boko Haram.
00:26:09.900 So you saw the full anti-Christian bigotry
00:26:12.960 on display.
00:26:14.000 Like, it was so shocking.
00:26:16.560 Has New Westminster done any of that?
00:26:19.060 Have they been as bigoted and rude
00:26:21.720 and derogatory in their language?
00:26:24.100 Or have they tried to couch it
00:26:25.740 in some dry technicality?
00:26:27.920 We don't yet know of whether
00:26:32.200 the city council was deliberating the matter
00:26:35.280 as they did in Nanaimo.
00:26:37.980 So far, the only information we have
00:26:39.800 was about the city clerk,
00:26:42.320 a bureaucrat who said,
00:26:43.960 this is cancelled,
00:26:45.720 we're refunding your deposit,
00:26:48.160 and this is not going ahead.
00:26:50.220 That's all that we're at for right now.
00:26:52.520 But as the court action progresses,
00:26:54.540 who knows what might turn up?
00:26:55.860 Yeah, because of course in a court
00:26:58.040 there's documentary disclosure
00:26:59.880 where the parties have to give
00:27:01.680 their related records.
00:27:03.880 There are records that touch on the matter.
00:27:05.440 Now, you make an interesting point
00:27:06.980 because of course,
00:27:07.820 I've just mentioned several times
00:27:09.140 that it was the city council
00:27:10.940 in Nanaimo that voted,
00:27:13.220 I think it was six to one,
00:27:14.340 if memory serves,
00:27:15.280 to shut down this Christian conference.
00:27:17.980 Are you saying that in New Westminster,
00:27:19.840 as far as you know,
00:27:20.520 it was just a single bureaucrat
00:27:22.280 who made a fiat?
00:27:24.480 So it sounds,
00:27:25.740 did I hear you right on that?
00:27:28.080 Yeah, to our knowledge,
00:27:30.460 we're not saying it has not been discussed
00:27:32.840 by city councillors,
00:27:33.820 but we're not aware of discussions
00:27:35.360 by city council.
00:27:37.460 So it was,
00:27:38.380 as far as we know right now,
00:27:39.840 it was a local bureaucrat.
00:27:42.180 But probably,
00:27:43.420 yeah, she went up the chain
00:27:45.400 and got approval for this
00:27:46.940 at some higher level,
00:27:48.520 we assume.
00:27:49.180 But this is going to,
00:27:50.840 you know,
00:27:51.100 play itself out
00:27:51.800 with the court action
00:27:53.320 as it goes forward.
00:27:54.360 But they are fighting this.
00:27:55.440 They're not backing down
00:27:56.200 and saying,
00:27:56.700 oh, we made a mistake.
00:27:57.980 No, they're going to dig in their heels
00:27:59.240 and try to justify their actions
00:28:01.520 here in court.
00:28:03.320 Whereas in Nanaimo,
00:28:04.540 it ended up not even going to court
00:28:06.640 because the city council
00:28:07.840 just did the right thing
00:28:08.860 and, you know,
00:28:10.780 apologized and backed down.
00:28:12.360 Yeah, I remember that.
00:28:13.420 I had never seen
00:28:14.660 a politician fold quicker.
00:28:17.900 We had a little spontaneous protest
00:28:19.980 outside the mayor's office.
00:28:21.780 A hundred people showed up
00:28:22.780 in Nanaimo.
00:28:23.720 Like I say,
00:28:24.280 a fairly small city.
00:28:25.600 A hundred people showed up.
00:28:26.520 I think the mayor knew.
00:28:27.640 He was peering through the window
00:28:29.180 at us.
00:28:30.240 I remember that.
00:28:31.340 And when we announced
00:28:32.400 that you were on the legal team,
00:28:33.560 they folded immediately.
00:28:34.520 In fact,
00:28:34.720 the mayor made a sort of apology.
00:28:37.800 And it was,
00:28:38.920 and we had a big celebration barbecue,
00:28:41.240 I remember.
00:28:41.560 Barbecue.
00:28:42.800 Eight hundred people there.
00:28:43.880 And the mayor came to flip burgers.
00:28:46.600 Like that's how contrite
00:28:47.920 and conciliatory he was.
00:28:51.120 So let me check again.
00:28:52.380 You said to me twice
00:28:53.340 that they're fighting this.
00:28:54.460 Have you actually filed the lawsuit
00:28:56.260 or the originated document?
00:28:57.800 So you haven't just sent them
00:28:59.260 a warning letter.
00:28:59.900 You've actually started
00:29:00.700 a court action.
00:29:01.400 We sent them a warning letter
00:29:03.800 in June
00:29:04.420 and they chose to ignore that.
00:29:08.920 And, you know,
00:29:09.780 we explained the law to them
00:29:10.920 that government has an obligation
00:29:13.640 of neutrality.
00:29:15.040 If it's a private facility,
00:29:16.400 it's different.
00:29:17.280 I mean,
00:29:17.540 if a synagogue does not want
00:29:20.680 to rent out its premises
00:29:21.900 for use with some,
00:29:23.240 you know,
00:29:24.160 anti-Israel group,
00:29:25.460 well, you know,
00:29:26.020 that's fine.
00:29:26.480 It's a private facility.
00:29:27.900 But if it's a city-owned facility,
00:29:29.400 then the government's
00:29:31.920 not entitled to discriminate
00:29:33.940 on the basis
00:29:34.940 of people's political opinions.
00:29:37.920 What they've done here is
00:29:38.960 because one of the speakers
00:29:40.060 is Carrie Simpson.
00:29:41.280 She's well-known
00:29:42.640 in British Columbia.
00:29:44.000 She's somewhat controversial
00:29:45.460 in some circles,
00:29:47.820 outspoken social conservative.
00:29:50.140 And the city actually
00:29:51.160 accused the church
00:29:52.380 of promoting hatred,
00:29:54.800 racism and violence
00:29:56.540 because they had
00:29:58.140 they had scheduled
00:29:59.720 Carrie Simpson
00:30:00.740 to be there as a speaker.
00:30:03.440 Well,
00:30:04.020 they're going to have
00:30:04.460 to prove in court
00:30:05.260 that Carrie Simpson
00:30:06.980 is promoting
00:30:07.820 hatred,
00:30:09.480 racism,
00:30:10.640 violence,
00:30:11.740 one or more
00:30:12.700 of those three.
00:30:13.420 And they're going to have
00:30:14.000 a hard time
00:30:14.620 trying to prove that
00:30:16.940 because somebody
00:30:17.700 who's social conservative
00:30:18.680 who's got traditional views
00:30:21.180 on sexuality
00:30:22.040 in a free country
00:30:24.780 that cannot be seen
00:30:26.640 as violent
00:30:27.860 or hateful
00:30:28.960 or criminal
00:30:29.540 and so on.
00:30:32.060 Well,
00:30:32.360 and to simply say
00:30:33.540 you can't have that person
00:30:34.940 come on these premises
00:30:36.360 at all,
00:30:37.520 they've got cooties.
00:30:39.260 Or like,
00:30:39.560 like that,
00:30:39.920 it's really,
00:30:41.260 as Juvenile is saying,
00:30:42.260 you can't have them
00:30:42.860 because they have
00:30:43.840 bad idea germs
00:30:45.040 or something.
00:30:45.680 That's not a thing.
00:30:47.420 You know,
00:30:47.620 you can't ban someone
00:30:48.480 because you,
00:30:48.780 I mean,
00:30:48.980 if someone was a,
00:30:50.480 we have in our criminal code
00:30:52.360 a dangerous offender provision.
00:30:54.160 You can literally
00:30:55.480 take someone off the streets
00:30:56.520 if they are a public danger.
00:30:58.140 You've got to prove that
00:30:58.700 in criminal court.
00:30:59.340 You can't just say,
00:30:59.920 oh,
00:31:00.200 she's dangerous.
00:31:01.620 She can't,
00:31:02.120 it's crazy.
00:31:03.240 And obviously,
00:31:04.400 the test for these things
00:31:05.860 is would it ever happen
00:31:06.920 to a gay group,
00:31:08.780 to a Muslim group,
00:31:10.220 to a group
00:31:11.540 that was higher up
00:31:12.320 on the politically correct
00:31:13.400 pyramid
00:31:14.100 than,
00:31:15.440 you know,
00:31:17.200 Christian conservatives.
00:31:17.940 Although you point out
00:31:18.860 that this church in question
00:31:20.180 you mentioned,
00:31:21.100 they have a lot of
00:31:21.980 black members.
00:31:24.060 You'd think that they would be
00:31:25.260 higher up
00:31:25.960 on the politically correct hierarchy.
00:31:28.800 We'll have to see
00:31:30.220 how that plays itself out.
00:31:31.500 So far,
00:31:32.140 that's not really,
00:31:33.680 it doesn't seem to be
00:31:34.660 helping them
00:31:35.120 when it comes to
00:31:35.720 the cancellation
00:31:36.220 of their event.
00:31:37.560 Again,
00:31:38.080 on the basis of having
00:31:39.240 an outspoken
00:31:40.100 social conservative
00:31:41.060 to be one of the speakers
00:31:42.980 at their conference,
00:31:43.920 that was the reason.
00:31:45.280 And the city,
00:31:46.080 you know,
00:31:46.360 comes out
00:31:46.940 saying that
00:31:48.600 that this is
00:31:49.840 hatred
00:31:51.200 and racism
00:31:52.280 and violence.
00:31:53.560 That's actually
00:31:54.220 the city's position.
00:31:55.520 So,
00:31:56.180 yeah,
00:31:57.560 they'll have a hard time
00:31:58.420 proving that in court,
00:31:59.340 I think.
00:32:00.480 Well,
00:32:00.620 they'll certainly burn up
00:32:01.320 a lot of their taxpayers'
00:32:02.220 dollars on it.
00:32:03.140 I have one last question,
00:32:05.020 and I know I've referred
00:32:05.760 to Nanaimo
00:32:06.320 about four times,
00:32:07.180 but that was
00:32:07.820 the archetype.
00:32:08.800 That was when I learned
00:32:09.640 how to do a petition,
00:32:11.560 use the petition
00:32:12.240 to raise some funds,
00:32:13.220 hire a lawyer,
00:32:13.800 do a poll,
00:32:14.700 have an event.
00:32:15.100 Like,
00:32:15.240 we really,
00:32:15.800 I remember doing that
00:32:16.540 at the Sun News Network.
00:32:17.340 It was one of my favorite
00:32:18.300 things back at the Sun.
00:32:20.240 And so let me ask you,
00:32:21.440 do you think this church
00:32:22.960 or its supporters,
00:32:26.220 I mean,
00:32:26.480 I don't know if I'm offering,
00:32:27.600 I'm just wondering,
00:32:28.540 I mean,
00:32:29.200 it's a big effort
00:32:29.940 to do this,
00:32:30.500 but do you think
00:32:31.080 that they would be
00:32:32.160 interested in a petition,
00:32:34.940 in a protest?
00:32:35.540 Like I said,
00:32:36.180 we had 100 people
00:32:37.060 protest outside
00:32:38.260 the mayor's office,
00:32:39.060 and he was peeking
00:32:40.300 through his window.
00:32:40.900 I think he was scared.
00:32:42.180 Is this something
00:32:42.960 that they've either tried
00:32:43.980 to have a political pushback,
00:32:45.360 or do you think
00:32:46.180 they're organized enough
00:32:47.100 to be interested
00:32:47.760 in having a political pushback?
00:32:50.060 I'd be happy
00:32:50.800 to put you in touch
00:32:51.840 with them
00:32:52.240 and you can discuss it.
00:32:53.800 I don't know,
00:32:54.720 you know,
00:32:54.940 like many people,
00:32:56.120 a lot of people
00:32:57.180 are just terrified
00:32:58.660 of politics
00:32:59.400 or very shy.
00:33:00.880 So I have no idea
00:33:02.500 whether they have
00:33:03.560 thought about this
00:33:04.700 or whether they would
00:33:05.740 be willing to do it,
00:33:07.560 but I'd be happy
00:33:08.460 to put you in touch
00:33:09.240 with them
00:33:09.660 to discuss it.
00:33:11.240 Only good can come
00:33:15.200 from considering an option.
00:33:17.280 There's no downside.
00:33:18.860 You know,
00:33:19.040 you made me think
00:33:19.560 of one more thing.
00:33:20.280 I remember when we organized,
00:33:21.480 we had a real local champion,
00:33:23.520 a mom in Nanaimo,
00:33:25.900 had a lot of kids
00:33:26.540 and a big family
00:33:27.140 that really worked hard.
00:33:28.940 And it was so important
00:33:30.020 that we had a key booster
00:33:31.980 on the ground.
00:33:32.860 But you made me think
00:33:33.820 of something, John.
00:33:34.540 No local clergy
00:33:39.260 stood with the Nanaimo group
00:33:43.620 that was kicked out.
00:33:45.380 None of them wanted
00:33:46.340 to be part of the fight.
00:33:48.160 They said it was
00:33:48.620 unchristian to fight.
00:33:50.260 And I remember
00:33:50.800 when we had that protest
00:33:51.840 outside the mayor's office
00:33:52.900 and I remember
00:33:53.780 when we had the victory dinner,
00:33:54.920 not a single church leader
00:33:57.300 would stand with the group
00:34:00.460 that was thrown out.
00:34:02.180 Some came from far away
00:34:04.100 to help,
00:34:04.900 from other cities,
00:34:05.880 even from the mainland.
00:34:07.840 But it was,
00:34:08.440 and I'm not,
00:34:09.600 I'm just remarking
00:34:11.060 that some Christian leaders
00:34:12.980 would rather get along
00:34:14.180 to go along
00:34:14.800 or we don't want to fight
00:34:15.740 or we don't,
00:34:16.560 and that stood out
00:34:18.240 in my mind.
00:34:19.620 And I mean,
00:34:20.260 I'm not Christian
00:34:20.880 and I don't want
00:34:21.400 to criticize Christians,
00:34:22.920 but I detected cowardice there
00:34:25.100 that was heartbreaking,
00:34:26.600 actually.
00:34:28.240 I don't know why
00:34:28.980 I'm ending on that note,
00:34:29.940 but you made me think
00:34:31.140 of that,
00:34:31.420 that the actual church leaders
00:34:33.380 in Nanaimo
00:34:33.960 were nowhere to be found then.
00:34:35.600 Last word to you, John.
00:34:37.960 Well, you know,
00:34:38.820 you raise a good point
00:34:40.360 and the whole problem
00:34:42.940 of cowardice
00:34:43.800 is as old
00:34:45.240 as human nature itself.
00:34:46.400 I mean,
00:34:46.560 it goes back 2,000 years,
00:34:48.420 4,000 years,
00:34:49.180 6,000 years.
00:34:50.600 I don't know
00:34:51.460 the extent to which
00:34:52.620 this local church
00:34:54.620 has been networking
00:34:56.860 with other pastors
00:34:57.740 in New West
00:34:58.740 or in Greater Vancouver.
00:35:01.080 I would certainly hope
00:35:02.260 that if this church,
00:35:05.400 because we're,
00:35:06.040 the Justice Centre,
00:35:07.000 we're focused
00:35:07.820 on the legal stuff,
00:35:08.800 so we're not really involved
00:35:10.240 with the political side.
00:35:12.600 I would certainly hope
00:35:13.640 that if this church
00:35:15.900 in New West
00:35:16.520 reaches out
00:35:17.380 to other pastors,
00:35:19.760 priests,
00:35:20.380 or all religious leaders,
00:35:22.460 you know,
00:35:22.660 imams and rabbis as well,
00:35:24.480 they have,
00:35:26.840 they have a dog
00:35:27.720 in this fight.
00:35:28.340 They have a stake
00:35:29.200 in the game
00:35:29.680 for their religious
00:35:31.480 freedom rights as well.
00:35:32.520 So I would hope
00:35:33.380 that if the church
00:35:34.060 reaches out
00:35:34.720 that they would get
00:35:36.300 a very positive response
00:35:38.980 and a willingness
00:35:39.520 to help
00:35:40.060 from other religious leaders
00:35:42.080 that would want
00:35:43.780 to defend
00:35:45.300 the free society.
00:35:46.080 That would be my hope.
00:35:48.060 Well,
00:35:48.600 that's very interesting.
00:35:49.620 If you would be so kind
00:35:50.680 as to flip me
00:35:51.720 a note privately
00:35:53.040 with the name
00:35:53.740 and contact info
00:35:54.980 of your contact
00:35:56.640 at the church,
00:35:57.160 I'd like to find out
00:35:58.060 if they were doing something.
00:35:59.580 Maybe they were already
00:36:00.120 doing something
00:36:00.580 I don't know about.
00:36:01.540 Maybe they would just
00:36:02.160 even want to do
00:36:02.760 an interview
00:36:03.220 on the rebel
00:36:05.240 and we could spread
00:36:06.800 that video around
00:36:07.700 because I know
00:36:09.960 we tipped the balance
00:36:10.940 in Nanaimo.
00:36:11.500 I know we made a difference
00:36:12.580 and they were so arrogant
00:36:13.560 and so abusive
00:36:14.260 and then suddenly
00:36:14.960 they just turned and ran
00:36:16.260 as all bullies do
00:36:17.220 when you finally
00:36:17.940 confront them.
00:36:19.700 And it would really be bad
00:36:21.120 if this precedent
00:36:21.740 were set.
00:36:22.260 So zip me a note
00:36:23.940 and I'll look into
00:36:25.680 the political side
00:36:26.440 of things.
00:36:26.760 You keep up
00:36:27.140 on the legal side
00:36:27.800 of things,
00:36:28.120 of course,
00:36:28.840 and folks can get
00:36:29.980 the info on this
00:36:31.080 at your website
00:36:32.860 and that's
00:36:33.320 jccf.ca,
00:36:35.300 right?
00:36:36.320 Correct.
00:36:36.920 www.jccf.ca.
00:36:39.200 All right.
00:36:39.600 And I know folks
00:36:40.200 can make a contribution
00:36:41.100 there directly
00:36:41.640 if they want to.
00:36:42.420 John,
00:36:42.620 it's great to see you again.
00:36:43.480 I'm so glad
00:36:44.060 you're fighting this fight
00:36:44.680 and I'm completely
00:36:45.460 unsurprised
00:36:46.100 because you fought
00:36:46.780 the identical fight
00:36:47.480 five years ago.
00:36:48.180 Plus que ça change,
00:36:51.820 plus que c'est la même chose.
00:36:54.000 Keep on fighting.
00:36:55.700 Yeah,
00:36:55.840 that's right.
00:36:56.460 That's right.
00:36:57.240 All right,
00:36:57.540 my friend.
00:36:57.920 Well,
00:36:58.040 you keep up the fight.
00:36:58.880 Thanks for doing it.
00:37:00.200 All right.
00:37:00.560 Thanks, Ezra.
00:37:01.220 All right.
00:37:01.580 There you have it.
00:37:01.980 John Carpe,
00:37:02.680 the boss of the Justice Center
00:37:04.740 for Constitutional Freedoms.
00:37:05.740 There are so many similarities
00:37:07.420 to the fight in Nanaimo
00:37:09.080 and that was a really,
00:37:10.640 there was such a great moment
00:37:12.220 where we stood up
00:37:13.080 to the bullies,
00:37:14.180 won the immediate fight
00:37:16.800 and then threw out
00:37:17.960 all the rascals from office.
00:37:19.280 Now,
00:37:19.400 Nanaimo,
00:37:20.100 of course,
00:37:20.480 has larger political problems
00:37:21.580 that endure.
00:37:22.520 But on that,
00:37:23.300 it was a win.
00:37:23.960 I wonder,
00:37:25.320 I wonder if that could be done
00:37:26.820 in New West again.
00:37:29.120 Oh,
00:37:29.300 well.
00:37:29.780 Stay with us.
00:37:30.460 More ahead on The Rebel.
00:37:42.340 Hey,
00:37:42.780 welcome back
00:37:43.180 on my monologue Friday
00:37:44.200 about the CRTC
00:37:45.220 trying to regulate the Internet,
00:37:46.300 Trinoculus.
00:37:48.520 Is that a first name
00:37:49.160 or a last name?
00:37:50.220 Right?
00:37:51.160 As totalitarians lose their grip
00:37:52.760 on the narrative,
00:37:53.440 their true colors show,
00:37:55.260 please be careful to vote
00:37:56.200 for politicians
00:37:56.820 that have a track record
00:37:57.880 of love,
00:37:58.960 of freedom for Canada,
00:38:01.120 respect from the U.S.
00:38:03.380 Okay.
00:38:06.160 Yeah,
00:38:06.680 I think the CRTC
00:38:07.700 is big news.
00:38:10.320 Normally,
00:38:11.140 journalists are the biggest
00:38:12.500 naval gazers around.
00:38:14.600 normally journalists
00:38:15.840 love to write about themselves
00:38:17.180 and their industry.
00:38:18.480 Everyone else is bored,
00:38:19.540 but really a lot of journalists
00:38:20.560 just write to please themselves
00:38:21.860 and their friends.
00:38:22.660 You would think
00:38:23.360 that they would be all over
00:38:24.380 a story about the CRTC
00:38:25.500 wanting to regulate
00:38:26.340 the Internet
00:38:26.800 and journalism
00:38:28.120 and make it
00:38:29.700 government-insured independence.
00:38:32.220 That's like jumbo shrimp
00:38:34.320 but don't exist.
00:38:35.540 But I haven't seen
00:38:36.400 any coverage
00:38:36.980 of this CRTC story,
00:38:38.180 have you?
00:38:39.860 Carol writes,
00:38:41.460 Trudeau is upset
00:38:42.120 that he has so much
00:38:42.920 negative press
00:38:43.480 on all social media,
00:38:44.600 especially on Facebook.
00:38:47.520 Yeah,
00:38:47.880 you know what?
00:38:48.340 he really
00:38:50.140 is a totalist.
00:38:53.200 I'm not going to say
00:38:53.680 totalitarianism,
00:38:55.460 totalitarian,
00:38:56.480 but Trudeau's media
00:38:57.860 is so overwhelmingly positive.
00:39:01.340 Contrasted with Stephen Harbour,
00:39:02.640 contrasted with Donald Trump
00:39:03.620 if you doubt me.
00:39:05.460 He just can't stand
00:39:06.780 some people on Facebook
00:39:08.140 or us here.
00:39:09.260 He just can't stand
00:39:10.340 having anybody
00:39:11.760 dissent.
00:39:13.640 That's an authoritarian mind.
00:39:17.160 On my interview
00:39:17.580 with Mark Marano
00:39:18.500 and a possible meat tax,
00:39:20.540 Richard writes,
00:39:21.820 the new green movement
00:39:23.360 is a cult designed
00:39:24.580 to de-industrialize
00:39:25.960 Western countries.
00:39:28.560 Yeah,
00:39:29.220 I think so.
00:39:29.700 It's also a big money grab
00:39:30.720 and I think it's just
00:39:31.500 social control.
00:39:34.160 Vancouver Ride writes,
00:39:37.160 people in the third world
00:39:38.160 are largely vegan,
00:39:39.460 just not by choice.
00:39:43.100 Okay,
00:39:43.640 I know the point
00:39:44.260 you're making.
00:39:44.620 I don't think that's true,
00:39:45.500 of course.
00:39:46.880 And it's hard work
00:39:48.100 to be a vegan,
00:39:48.740 by the way,
00:39:49.200 because you know
00:39:49.860 what vegan means, right?
00:39:50.680 It means not even eggs
00:39:52.960 or milk or cheese
00:39:55.060 or anything.
00:39:56.380 And I think it also
00:39:57.400 means no fish.
00:39:59.920 It's true
00:40:00.560 that a lot of people
00:40:01.540 in the poor parts
00:40:02.720 of the world
00:40:02.980 just eat a lot of rice
00:40:03.920 and corn
00:40:05.000 and things like that,
00:40:06.140 but they eat milk
00:40:07.480 and cheese
00:40:08.580 and cheap meat
00:40:11.320 when they can.
00:40:12.320 I know your point
00:40:13.580 is that when you're
00:40:14.680 super poor
00:40:15.160 you can't afford meat
00:40:16.140 and like so many
00:40:17.580 environmental things
00:40:18.400 they glorify
00:40:19.800 the profane.
00:40:21.860 I mentioned this
00:40:23.580 when I said
00:40:24.260 the whole ritual
00:40:25.000 of sorting our garbage
00:40:26.440 and don't flush here
00:40:27.840 but flush there,
00:40:28.880 that's so uncivilized.
00:40:31.720 It's retreating
00:40:32.540 backwards in time
00:40:33.540 to when we had
00:40:34.260 to touch our garbage
00:40:35.080 and spend a lot of time
00:40:35.940 with our garbage
00:40:36.540 and sort our garbage
00:40:37.900 and you know,
00:40:39.460 civilization moved us
00:40:40.320 away from that,
00:40:40.900 the greens are moving
00:40:41.480 us back to that
00:40:42.180 and I suppose
00:40:42.880 in the same way
00:40:43.500 the greens are moving
00:40:44.860 us away from,
00:40:46.580 you know,
00:40:47.820 500 years ago
00:40:48.960 your ordinary Canadian
00:40:50.180 would live as finely
00:40:51.600 as the king of England
00:40:53.700 and have better food.
00:40:55.200 King of England
00:40:55.740 didn't have all the
00:40:57.140 fruit and vegetable
00:40:58.420 varieties you can get
00:40:59.460 at your local Safeway.
00:41:01.040 I mean,
00:41:01.260 when you think about it,
00:41:02.540 you and I live
00:41:03.820 by many measures
00:41:05.460 a finer life
00:41:07.140 than kings themselves
00:41:08.480 lived 500 years ago.
00:41:11.400 One word for you,
00:41:12.420 dentistry,
00:41:14.120 Tylenol,
00:41:15.740 you know,
00:41:16.440 x-rays,
00:41:17.520 stitches,
00:41:18.780 you know,
00:41:19.960 just forget about
00:41:21.060 pineapples and oranges.
00:41:23.020 So my point is,
00:41:23.860 yeah,
00:41:24.600 the left would take us
00:41:25.760 down the ladder
00:41:26.640 of evolution.
00:41:27.940 They would call it
00:41:28.720 de-industrializing.
00:41:30.480 They actually use that word.
00:41:31.960 All right,
00:41:32.340 don't get me started
00:41:33.040 on another 20-minute
00:41:34.080 ramble about that.
00:41:35.220 Good Lord,
00:41:35.640 I talked enough
00:41:36.600 about that last week.
00:41:37.320 What do you think
00:41:38.600 about this Rahaf al-Qanun?
00:41:42.020 I think it's good
00:41:42.820 that she's not
00:41:43.300 in Saudi Arabia.
00:41:44.720 I think she would have
00:41:45.700 been accepted
00:41:46.060 by Australia.
00:41:47.320 I think Christia Freeland
00:41:48.500 is super gross.
00:41:49.920 And I think that there's
00:41:51.100 some other weird angle
00:41:52.120 here that we don't know about
00:41:53.120 but that Scott Gilmore
00:41:54.940 does know about.
00:41:56.680 And if Scott Gilmore
00:41:58.440 is against a refugee,
00:42:00.600 I've never seen that before.
00:42:01.880 He knows something's fishy.
00:42:02.980 Well,
00:42:03.220 we'll find out more
00:42:03.940 if we find out more.
00:42:04.980 Until tomorrow.
00:42:06.620 Actually,
00:42:07.100 I should tell you.
00:42:08.300 I have a funeral.
00:42:09.280 I have to attend tomorrow
00:42:10.220 so I will not be here.
00:42:11.940 Please accept my absence.
00:42:13.100 I know I told you
00:42:13.700 I would not go away
00:42:14.420 if I could avoid it.
00:42:15.640 But of course,
00:42:16.940 a funeral is a must-attend event.
00:42:19.040 I will be back
00:42:19.900 on Wednesday.
00:42:20.780 Until then,
00:42:21.240 on behalf of all of us
00:42:21.960 here at Rebel World
00:42:23.180 headquarters,
00:42:23.720 to you at home,
00:42:24.200 good night.
00:42:24.460 And keep running for freedom.
00:42:26.020 and keep running for 3
00:42:41.780 p.m.