Conservatives can accept losing an election, but they won't accept being robbed
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It's one thing to lose an election, but what's it like to be robbed of an election? It's a question a lot of Republicans are surely asking themselves now. But before I get to that, I want you to become a subscriber to Rebel News Plus, which is the video version of this podcast, and it's just 8 bucks a month, or 80 if you buy the whole year in advance, for 80% off. Just go to rebelnewsplus and click subscribe. And it's another way to support Rebel News because of course, we don't take a dime from any politician.
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Hello, my friends. Today, I go through the morning after the night before of the U.S.
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election. I ask the question, well, it's one thing to lose an election, but what's it like to be
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robbed of an election? It's a question a lot of Republicans are surely asking themselves now.
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But before I get to that, let me invite you to become a subscriber to Rebel News Plus.
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It's the video version of this podcast. It's just eight bucks a month, or 80 if you buy the whole
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Rebel News, because of course, we don't take a dime from any politician. All right, here's the
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podcast today. Tonight, Republicans can accept losing an election, but just don't think they
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accept being robbed of an election. It's November 4th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.
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There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
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The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my
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We don't yet know who won the U.S. presidential election. That's an incredible thing to say.
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But we know who lost the experts of the political class. The pollsters, the pundits,
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the panelists on CNN. They all got it wrong. They all talked about Trump being destroyed,
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about a landslide for Biden. They talked about winning the White House and the Senate and the
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House of Representatives. And that just did not happen. It looks like the Republicans will lose
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nets. One Senate seat, so they'll still retain control. And incredibly, the Republicans look like
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they picked up a few seats in Congress. As I write this, results aren't fully in, but that's how it is
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right now as I read this. In the last few days, Trump crisscrossed America very strategically,
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back and forth amongst Michigan, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Florida. And wouldn't you
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know it, those were exactly the key battleground states for him. He needed mighty Florida, and he got it.
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Incredibly, Latinos voted for him en masse, especially those who had fled the Cuban Communist
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regime. And a new cohort of Venezolanos, those who fled Hugo Chavez and Nicolas Maduro from Venezuela.
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I love that Latinos for Trump music video ad makes me want to dance. But look at this.
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Look at the 2016 election results for Miami-Dade County. It's a huge county, lots of Latino voters.
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Hillary crushed Trump there. Huge margin in 2016. But look at it last night. Trump almost closed the
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gap. It was so close. If my math is right, 200,000 more people in that town went to Trump. It didn't
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flip the county to red, but it ensured that statewide Trump won handily. Isn't that fascinating? I guess
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they saw the socialism twinkling in Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's eyes and realized we've seen this
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movie before. If you live in Cuba or Venezuela, you have somewhere to run. You can run to America.
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But if you live in America, you have nowhere left to run.
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That result came up quickly in Florida. Trump picked up the states that he needed to and didn't
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seem to lose any along the way. And it came down to those states of the Midwest where he had campaigned
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furiously. Ohio, automakers, fracking. Trump nailed it. And as the night went on, he took the lead in
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Wisconsin, took the lead in Michigan, took the lead in Pennsylvania, all Rust Belt states that Trump
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had carried last time. He needed at least two of them this time. And what made it extra interesting
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was that Trump was doing well with minority voters, not just Latinos. Trump's support amongst black men
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and women, Latino men and women, gay men and women, rose dramatically. It was the highest support from
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minorities for a Republican since the 1960s. Would that help him in places like Philadelphia or Detroit?
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Maybe Trump was actually leading until they just stopped counting votes. Hang on, hang on. It's
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election night and you're tired because it's late? You didn't know maybe it was going to be election
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night? You didn't have four years to plan? You need your beauty sleep? You need to go home now? And
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you're just, you're just shutting down and going home. They did because these are Democratic governors
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who count the votes for the national presidential debate. So it was shut down. It was frozen. Trump
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was in the lead everywhere. But Biden had a press conference. He spoke first. He said he was on the
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track to win. I'm here to tell you tonight, we believe we're on track to win this election.
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We knew because of the unprecedented early vote and the mail-in vote that it's going to take a while.
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We're going to have to be patient until we, uh, the hard work of tallying votes is finished.
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And it ain't over till every vote is counted. Every ballot is counted.
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But we're feeling good. We're feeling good about where we are.
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We believe one of the nets has suggested we've already won Arizona, but we're confident about
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Including in Arizona. But in fact, that wasn't true. Arizona was very much in contention. As I
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write this, various news agencies have retracted their premature conclusion that Arizona went to
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the Democrats. Who knows? But boy, it sure seemed like the media was eager to declare a state for
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Biden, but slow to declare one for Trump. Maybe they just couldn't believe it. You know, if the
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media had set up, uh, for example, the New York Times, they set up a website with lists of states
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that they thought were battlegrounds. They had a few different gradations, um, states that would be
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for sure for Biden, like California. Leans Biden. Toss up. Leans Trump or for sure Trump. But they were
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wrong on all of them, except for the for sure Bidens. Trump exceeded all expectations. Like I
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say, uh, the media lost, the pundits lost, the pollsters lost, except for unlike the politicians,
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they didn't lose their jobs, did they? Maybe the media companies were slow to recognize Trump's
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successes because it was their own failure that was demonstrated, or maybe because it was Biden's
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failure that was demonstrated. And of course, the media, as always, are auxiliaries of the Democrats,
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like they are of the Liberal Party in this country. Now that allowed Biden to preposterously say he was
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on the road for victory. Preposterous in that at that moment, Trump was in fact leading in enough
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states to make it not even close. Here's the CBC's homepage at that wonderful moment. But like I say,
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in the dead of night, so many things happened. Like more than 100,000 votes simply being dumped
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into the Democratic category in the dead of night. Does that make sense? 100% of them went into the
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Democrat column. Is that right? I thought they had stopped counting. How did that work? And what's
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with this? This is the Pennsylvania Attorney General, a Democrat, tweeting before the vote even began,
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he said, if all the votes are added up in Pennsylvania, Trump is going to lose. That's
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why he's working over time to subtract as many votes as possible from this process. For the record,
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he's 0 for 6 against us in court. We've protected voting rights. Now ignore the noise vote.
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Okay, hang on. How does the Attorney General know in advance that his party was going to win?
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Is that a responsible thing to say if you're the senior lawmaker for a state that you were going
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to win before the votes are even cast? Is that a guess by him or a prediction or a statement? Or is
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it a command to everyone who works with him in the state, everyone counting the ballots? You're the
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Attorney General. You're the one who's rigged the rules. Imagine if a Republican Attorney General
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said that in a battleground state, let's say like Florida. And then surprise, announced literally
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millions more votes to come, but only after you figured out how many votes you need to beat Trump.
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Republicans lose and abide the loss. It's part of the rule of law, the conservative belief in rules.
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If you agree to the rules of a game in advance, and if the game is played fairly, you take the loss.
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But what if the rules were changed by lawyers at the last minute? And what if they were clearly
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applied in a way that was unfair and secretive? What if Republican vote scrutineers are kicked out?
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Here's an image of windows in a vote count room being boarded up so no one can see.
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What if this was the same jiggery pokery that the Democrats are famous for in their big cities
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since forever? Then it's not magnanimous to take the loss because you didn't lose fair and square.
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Then it's not being the strong, silent type to take the loss. Then it's being,
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in the words of Joe Biden, well, it's being a chump.
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I'll work as hard for those who don't support me as those who do, including those chumps with
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the microphone out there. Speaking of Joe Biden, he says so many things that are ridiculous.
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It's hard to know what's real and what was a gaffe or a brain fart. I think this is the latter.
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Yeah, I don't think he meant to say that. I think that was an accident. But what about this?
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Secondly, we're in a situation where we have put together, and you guys did it for our administration,
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the President Obama's administration before this. We have put together, I think, the most
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extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.
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You think that was an accident? Who knows with Joe Biden? But if the Democrats would do anything,
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say anything to derail a Supreme Court appointment, like literally accuse a judge in front of his family
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of being a serial rapist when he was in college with no factual basis, no evidence,
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if you would smear a man that way in front of his family, in front of the country, just to stop the appointment
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of him to the court, if you would riot and burn down your own cities just to own the orange man
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and sow feelings of chaos in the community, if you would do that during non-election times,
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imagine what you would do during elections themselves.
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I read that some Senate races saw Democrats spending more than $100 million on one Senate race,
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just for one Senate seat. I can't even fathom that. North Carolina, for example,
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barely 10 million people in the state, so it's about the size of Alberta plus BC, population-wise.
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Imagine spending $100 million on a single candidate in something that small, and losing, by the way.
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So yeah, they would literally do anything to beat Trump. And they despised him with the fire
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of a hundred sons. Trump said what he saw. He was being robbed. It's not a matter of counting every vote.
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It's a matter of counting every legal vote, every verifiable vote. Not every vote found, surprisingly,
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We have so many. We had such a big night. You just take a look at all of these states that we've won tonight,
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and then you take a look at the kind of margins that we've won them by, and all of a sudden,
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it's not like we're up 12 votes and we have 60 percent left. We won states, and all of a sudden,
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I said, what happened to the election? It's off. And we have all these announcers saying,
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what happened? And then they said, oh, because you know what happened? They knew they couldn't win,
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so they said, let's go to court. And did I predict this, Newt? Did I say this? I've been saying this
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from the day I heard they were going to send out tens of millions of ballots. I said exactly
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because either they were going to win, or if they didn't win, they'll take us to court.
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Florida. Florida was a tremendous victory, 377,000. Texas, as we said. Ohio. Think of this.
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Ohio, a tremendous state, a big state. I love Ohio. We won by 8.1 percent, 461. Think of it.
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Almost 500,000 votes. North Carolina. Big victory with North Carolina. And so we won there. We lead by
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76,000 votes with almost nothing left. And all of a sudden, everything just stopped.
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This is a fraud on the American public. This is an embarrassment to our country.
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We were getting ready to win this election. Frankly, we did win this election.
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So our goal now is to ensure the integrity for the good of this nation. This is a very big moment.
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This is a major fraud on our nation. We want the law to be used in a proper manner.
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So we'll be going to the U.S. Supreme Court. We want all voting to stop. We don't want them to find
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any ballots at 4 o'clock in the morning and add them to the list. Okay? It's a very sad moment.
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And all of this, all of this curiosity, all this newness in the rigged rules, the changed rules,
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all the risk and irregularity, the stopping the count when Trump was ahead. Well, on top of all of
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that, Twitter and the social media companies just started to censor anyone who questions
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what went on. Imagine that. Trust is low to begin with in America. Trust was lowered by rejigging the
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voting rules by lawyer. Trust was lower still when the count was surprisingly stopped and then
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restarted. And now social media companies are banning you from asking simple questions, banning
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the president himself. Look at this simple question the president asks. And you have to click through
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Twitter's warning to see what he was referring to. Twitter will not let you see it. You have to click
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view after you read a warning. And then you have to click through the next warning to see what he was
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referring to. And then on and on. It literally takes six clicks and six warnings to get to the
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hidden truth. When I was a kid, politicians censored the media. Now the media censors politicians.
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I don't think that's an improvement. I don't know how this is going to end. If it were the shoe on the
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other foot, Republican governors foiling a Democratic candidate in a battleground state. Let's say Florida
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tried to rig the rules there. They didn't. But let's say they would have. There would be a hundred
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riots across America now against rule rigging by Republicans. But that's not what Republicans do.
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I don't know. Maybe everything in this election really is legit. I suppose that's technically
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possible. But this is the crew of destroyers. They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt. They
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spent the last four years refusing to accept Trump's 2016 victory. They undermined him. They impeached him.
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They accused him of everything. But after the fact, it was evident that they were actually accusing
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him of doing everything that they themselves were doing. And so it will be here. Joe Biden falsely
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declared himself the winner. Trump objected. And yet Trump is the one being called the fascist,
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the liar. And America's reputation as the epitome of democracy is being eroded, not just in the eyes of
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the world. I mean, of course, they're laughing. They're loving this in China. But I'm talking about
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in the eyes of Americans themselves. Half the country didn't lose last night. Half the country
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is being robbed in slow motion. And they see it. And that's a very different feeling than losing,
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We were getting ready to win this election. Frankly, we did win this election.
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So our goal now is to ensure the integrity for the good of this nation. This is a very big moment.
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This is a major fraud in our nation. We want the law to be used in a proper manner. So we'll be going
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to the U.S. Supreme Court. We want all voting to stop. We don't want them to find any ballots at
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four o'clock in the morning and add them to the list. OK?
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That was Donald Trump very late last night saying that there's a little bit of, well,
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as Joe Biden would put it, malarkey going on. Joining us now via Skype from Los Angeles,
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deep blue territory is our friend Joel Pollack, senior editor at large at Breitbart.com.
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Joel, I think the story of the night until around, I don't know, 2 a.m., was Trump was slowly but
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surely putting together his path to victory. Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Iowa. And then
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in those key states where he had a frenzied campaign in the last week, Wisconsin, Michigan,
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Pennsylvania, all of a sudden, they stopped counting. They discovered millions more ballots.
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They said this is going to take days. Donald Trump thinks he's being robbed. What do you think?
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It's hard to know. And I think Republicans will feel that this entire process is a kind of theft,
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because as you and I have discussed before, the changes that were made at the behest of Democratic
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lawyers to allow this vote by mail system in states that didn't have it before or to expand it in
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states that had it, but on a limited scale and to relax the rules and so forth. That was key to
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Democratic Party plans on election day and the weeks leading up to it. And Trump has been warning for
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months that they would try to use it to deny him a victory on election night and then claim victory in
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the days that followed. So on a macro level, in terms of overall process, I think it is a form of
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theft in the sense that these rules were changed largely without the consent of the electorate.
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In a couple of states that are already governed by Democrats, the state governments went along with
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some of the changes. But in general, these changes were imposed on people. And the standards
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vary from state to state, even within Democratic governed states, depending on what the court's
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decisions were in different states or in different federal circuits. So it's all a mess.
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And Democrats appear to have intended it to turn out that way because they had lawyered up months ago,
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led by this guy named Mark Elias, who was also the lawyer who funded the Fusion GPS
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opposition firm that created the Russia dossier back in 2016. So a lot of the same bad characters are
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returned. I don't mean that as an aspersion on his personal character. I have no idea
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if he's a nice person or not, but the tactics he's used are certainly shady. And so that's now
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being cited by the president and by his supporters as an example of a kind of theft or fraud. And I think
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they have a coherent case. At the same time, I think the Biden campaign is making a coherent case
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that if you just take the ballots that were cast, they feel that they likely have a path to 270
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electoral votes. That's not clear yet. And the ballots are still being counted. We may know some
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more results in the next few hours, next few days. The election is still very much up in the air.
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Joel, today, the president tweeted a very short question, and he was referring to a tweet with an
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image of a vote count, I think it was in Michigan, that suddenly over a hundred thousand new votes
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were just discovered and added to the Democrat column, 100% of them. And there was over a hundred
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thousand of them. And Trump simply said, what's going on here? And he was retweeting someone else
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who said, this alone is worth going to court to explain. And yet Twitter censored the president,
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censored the person. The president was retweeting, censored the person he was retweeting. You had
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to click. Yes, I want to view this dangerous information. You had to click it six times to
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get all the way to the root of it. That just makes me feel like there's more rigging going on because
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you're not even allowed to ask questions about the anomalies. We're in an anomalous situation,
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perhaps unprecedented in America. A lot of people are going to have questions.
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Let the questions be asked and let them be answered by trying to muffle the question asking.
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It sure looks like there's a rigging going on, either by social media companies or Democrats,
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or maybe that's even the same thing these days. What do you make about the fact that
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anyone who talks about this mess is being called a disinformation liar?
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Well, I don't like the practice of social media companies labeling political tweets they don't
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like. In that case, all the president was doing was asking a question. And the person who put that
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tweet up probably shouldn't have done it because I think it's a general good practice not to
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make accusations of voter fraud when we really just don't know what's going on,
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at least on the on the micro level. As I said earlier, my criticism is of the process at a macro
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level, which Republicans feel and I think with justification to be a kind of fraud or theft.
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But on the micro level, we just don't know. It's very, very difficult sitting in Texas or Los
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Angeles or Washington, D.C. even to know what's going on when ballots are being counted in Michigan.
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And in this case, the person who put up that tweet later deleted it. They were
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apparently in contact with someone in Michigan who explained that there was a typo in local
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reporting. And so there was a misreport of the number of ballots or the percentage for Joe Biden.
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What is happening is if you look at the graph, there's a graph that's circulating out there of
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votes over time. Biden goes up in these discrete little jumps. And that's because
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he is getting piles of mailed in ballots added to his total. Not all of the mail in ballots go for
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Joe Biden, but he is winning them by enough of a margin that it looks more pronounced on the graph.
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That is to say, Trump will go up, but it looks more like a regular increase on the curve. And Biden
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goes up by so much that it looks like a discrete vertical leap. So it looks a little odd. And
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it reinforces the idea that this vote by mail process, which is new in many states,
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is really an invitation for chaos. Remember that traditionally, the people who want to vote
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show up to vote or request an absentee ballot. Voting is not something you're required to do in the
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United States. So it's not really universal. The electorate is the electorate that decides to show
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up. What Democrats did in these states, and again, only in the states they wanted to win. They didn't
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do this everywhere, although they tried to do it on a federal level in a bill that had other
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malevolent intentions. What they did in these battleground states was they vastly expanded the
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potential electorate. And Donald Trump called it out from the beginning, saying this is going to be a
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huge problem. And they now appear to have reaped the results of that strategy in Michigan, in
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Wisconsin, maybe in Pennsylvania, other states where this was part of their strategy. Now, again,
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we don't know what the final result is going to be, but I've been out there saying that in close
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elections like this, we should not leave the decision up to lawyers or unelected judges or local
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ballot counting officials or even to electors, the electoral college who have been subject to
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threats and pressure before. I think we should leave this to the House of Representatives to
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decide. We actually have a provision in the Constitution that hasn't been used since 1824
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that allows the House of Representatives to choose the president in the event that there's some kind of
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a deadlock. And each state gets one vote in the House. And each state casts its vote in the
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candidate with a majority wins and becomes the president. We used it in 1824 to elect John
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Quincy Adams, who was a single term president, not a particularly good president. But that's how we
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should do this. We should do this because it's the only way to make sure that the people choosing
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the president have to face the voters again. It's the only way to make sure there's some
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accountability. And Democrats will probably push back on it because Republicans have the majority of
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state delegations in the House of Representatives, even if right now, at least they have a numerical
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minority, a very small numerical minority. But I would be happier with that process, even if Joe
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Biden wins. I don't like the idea of having unelected lawyers, judges and so forth pick our
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president. And I can tell you with great credibility, Ezra, that I would accept the result
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if it went the other way, because back in 2000, when I was still a Democrat and having just graduated
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from university and Bush versus Gore was deadlocked, I had exactly the same opinion. I thought that it
00:25:47.500
should not have gone to the courts because the courts are sacrosanct in a way. The judiciary is
00:25:52.780
supposed to be independent. And that case, Bush versus Gore, did diminish the judiciary in the eyes
00:25:58.040
of many people in the United States. It allowed Democrats at least to permanently politicize
00:26:02.120
debates about the judiciary. And it should have been decided in the House of Representatives,
00:26:06.900
even though at the time, had the House decided the presidency, it would have gone to George W. Bush
00:26:12.680
anyway. But I agreed with the minority view of Stephen Breyer on the Supreme Court, who said at the
00:26:20.360
time that the court should not have taken up that case. And I think it should have been left in the
00:26:24.620
chaos it was in and either awarded to George Bush on the basis of Florida's decision, or if you leave
00:26:31.560
Florida out and there's no majority, it should have gone straight to the House of Representatives.
00:26:37.020
I actually think the framers of our constitution knew what they were doing. They knew that there
00:26:40.760
would be situations like this. They probably couldn't have imagined mail-in ballots, which I think is a
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unique practice, practically speaking, in the United States. And I don't recommend it for other
00:26:50.180
countries. It's a complete disaster. I mean, third world countries don't even do this. But, you know,
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the framers gave us a solution. I don't know how popular it will be, but perhaps if this gets tied up in the
00:27:00.220
courts and the Electoral College can't decide, this will become the way we have to go.
00:27:05.120
Was the phrase Trump derangement syndrome. We heard that also with Obama. I mean, some people were
00:27:11.560
extremely emotionally opposed to Obama. Same with George W. Bush before him. Partisans can be very
00:27:17.240
revved up. And I'm probably one of them, frankly. But I think that I observe that when John McCain lost
00:27:25.580
to Obama and when Mitt Romney lost to Obama, I think Republicans and foreigners who support
00:27:34.100
Republicans like me thought, well, fair is fair. They ran the rules of the game. There may have been
00:27:40.600
marginal cases of cheating, but they actually got thumped by the guy. All right, let's fix things,
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do better next time. And one of the remedies was the Republican Party chose a fighter rather than,
00:27:50.720
you know, a log roller friendly Boy Scout. I guess what I'm saying is I think Republicans
00:27:58.620
can actually handle a loss pretty well because it's part of the conservative mindset. You play by
00:28:04.680
the rules you lost. You accept your loss with some dignity. You don't flip over the game board.
00:28:10.240
I think that would apply here, too. I think that Republicans would accept a loss of Donald Trump,
00:28:16.980
even though there's so many high emotions, if it felt like it was a clean loss, if it felt like it
00:28:23.800
was a loss on election night by a significant margin. I'm worried that Joe Biden is going to win
00:28:30.360
through this legal jiggery-pokery. I'm worried that they're going to, I mean, the people who would
00:28:35.580
literally accuse Brett Kavanaugh of being a rapist, that's how extreme they would go. The people who say
00:28:42.000
they will pack the court, the people, well, of course they'll pack the ballot box by using mail-in.
00:28:47.900
So my point is, I think Republicans are going to wind up losing. I think Joe Biden's going to wind
00:28:52.860
up winning through this trickery. But I think it's going to so poison the well that Republicans who
00:28:58.760
normally would say, well, we lost, like they did in 2008, 2012, are now going to be turned against
00:29:04.780
the system in a way that I don't know has ever happened before. What do you think of that?
00:29:09.780
I think that's one possibility. I think it's too early to say. And I am resisting any kind of
00:29:21.220
speculations about that just yet. I think it's very, very early. People are emotional. People
00:29:27.000
are tired. Many people were up very late. And it's very hard for me to sense the feelings of
00:29:33.180
other Republicans, except through social media. And of course, the people on social media are always
00:29:38.460
the people with the strongest opinions. So it's very hard to know. I will say this. I always try to
00:29:44.240
look forward at what we can do now. And let's look at the election slightly differently. The
00:29:53.220
Democrat and Republican voters, each defeated, can be said to have defeated what they believed was the
00:30:03.120
worst aspect of the other side. Republicans, for example, won Florida largely on the strength of
00:30:11.240
their opposition to Black Lives Matter and their opposition to defund the police. Democrats are
00:30:18.020
giving credit to Republicans for that. Democrats have said openly that Black Lives Matter cost them
00:30:24.400
the support of many Hispanic voters in Florida. And that, with other socialist elements of the
00:30:31.400
Democratic Party agenda, really turned off Cuban and Venezuelan voters who are a big part of the
00:30:35.860
voter, a big part of the electorate in Florida. So Republicans sent a message to Democrats that
00:30:41.180
rioting, that defund the police, these are not winning propositions in Hispanic communities. I mean,
00:30:47.980
Hispanic vote went toward Trump in a big way. He didn't win it outright nationwide, but he certainly
00:30:53.320
improved his performance, and very markedly so in some places, over defund the police.
00:30:58.900
In a similar way, Ohio, which Joe Biden had hoped to win, went heavily for Donald Trump. And one of
00:31:06.200
the reasons it went heavily for Donald Trump was Joe Biden's attack on the fossil fuel industry.
00:31:11.080
Remember that Ohio and Pennsylvania are now enjoying a boom because of fracking. The Marcellus
00:31:16.860
Shale play over there has really revolutionized the economies of Ohio and Pennsylvania. It's given life
00:31:23.380
to these Rust Belt cities and towns. And Trump stands for that industry, and Biden stands against
00:31:30.680
it. And Biden's performance in the last debate was something that Ohio rejected when Biden promised to
00:31:36.560
transition from oil. So the voters repudiated those two or three really extreme positions of Joe Biden.
00:31:44.240
At the same time, look at the states that Trump lost where he could have won, perhaps, or where he hoped to
00:31:50.460
win. Arizona, he lost. What is Arizona? Well, Arizona, there are two important things about it,
00:31:55.440
other than Latino voters. And actually, Trump did fairly well among Latino voters relative to 2016.
00:31:59.820
So I don't think that was the reason. Trump lost among older and whiter voters. And there are a lot
00:32:06.180
of retirees who've moved from the Northeast and the Midwest to Arizona, bringing their politics with
00:32:11.140
them. So that may have affected things. But also, Arizona is the old stomping ground of the late
00:32:16.380
John McCain. And John McCain is the number one example that Joe Biden brings up and other people
00:32:21.580
bring up when they want to talk about why they don't like Donald Trump's style of politics, that
00:32:26.340
he traded insults with John McCain. And Cindy McCain was part of the Biden team, essentially.
00:32:33.260
Plus, there are a lot of Mormons in Arizona. And Mitt Romney, who is very prominent in the Mormon
00:32:38.460
community, was also a very prominent antagonist of Donald Trump. So the fact that Trump has a kind of
00:32:45.800
rough demeanor may have cost him Arizona. Now, again, Arizona is still being counted as we speak.
00:32:51.260
So he may yet end up winning Arizona. I should say that. But it certainly made the race closer,
00:32:56.220
I think, to have this ongoing feud with the McCain family and with Mitt Romney, even though
00:33:01.200
Trump didn't pick either one of those fights. They started them. Likewise with Minnesota, you know,
00:33:06.680
we have this saying in the U.S. I'm sure you've heard it. Minnesota nice. The idea that people from
00:33:11.940
Minnesota are simply very polite and nice, hardworking and tough and so forth, but Minnesota
00:33:17.460
nice. And Trump is not Minnesota nice. Trump is New York mean. And if that's what you didn't like
00:33:24.300
about Trump, and that seemed to be the number one thing Democrats don't like about Trump is just his
00:33:28.240
personality. Well, maybe it cost him Minnesota in an otherwise winnable election. So I would look at it
00:33:33.820
this way. The vote yesterday was in some ways a repudiation of what Americans don't like about the
00:33:41.300
respective parties and their respective candidates. In that contest, Republicans largely came out
00:33:46.260
ahead. The Republicans were expected by the pollsters and the pundits and the Democrats to
00:33:50.900
lose the Senate and to lose seats in the House. The opposite happened. Republicans have kept the
00:33:54.740
Senate and have picked up seats in the House. In fact, there's some outside chance, as I speak,
00:33:59.600
this could change, of course, there's an outside chance the Republicans win the House.
00:34:03.140
So we could have a situation or we will. It looks like we will have a situation of at least
00:34:06.300
somewhat divided government if Biden wins the presidency. And that's a real achievement because
00:34:12.740
it will prevent Joe Biden from doing many of the most destructive things that he promised to do in
00:34:19.060
his manifesto and some of the things Democrats want him to do. And actually, it makes the internal
00:34:25.900
fights among Democrats possibly even more intense because they're going to have to figure out who's
00:34:31.120
really in charge over there. Now, I say this again, the votes are not yet all counted. There's a lot
00:34:36.340
of legal wrangling to come and who knows what's going to happen in the next several weeks. I would
00:34:40.640
just caution people to look on the bright side of things, be patient and know that as disappointing
00:34:49.560
as many Trump supporters may feel, especially because many felt earlier in the evening that Trump was
00:34:54.120
going to win, the worst did not happen last night. It really didn't. There were some bad things that
00:35:00.200
happened. I think vote by mail is a disaster. I think the tech companies need to lose this election
00:35:05.900
and they didn't, at least not yet. And that's very ominous for the future because they're censoring
00:35:11.100
political discourse and so forth. And there's a lot there's a lot to worry about if Trump does not
00:35:15.920
return for a second term. But given where the media thought this was going to go, given what
00:35:21.540
they expected to be a repudiation of Trump and his agenda, they lost and Republicans won. So I would
00:35:29.040
look on the bright side and think about how this can serve as the future basis for opposition.
00:35:37.060
If Trump loses, he will not have been repudiated. He will have been robbed. That creates a very
00:35:42.940
different political scenario than might have been the case if Democrats had had the blue wave they
00:35:47.000
were hoping for. Well, I appreciate you looking at the bright side of things. You're the only voice
00:35:55.240
I've heard talking that way in the last 24 hours. Well, that's my job. You know, that's why I live
00:36:01.460
in California, because when all else fails, I can go swim with the dolphins on the beach. You know,
00:36:05.020
that's right. I mean, you have to be a happy warrior if you're living in such a blue state. I know
00:36:09.260
I'm just getting this little update. I know this interview will air later. So everything may have
00:36:13.760
changed by then. But as we've been speaking the last two minutes, ABC News has retracted its call
00:36:20.020
of Arizona for Joe Biden. So here we go. Wow. Yeah. Well, these are very interesting times. I
00:36:26.560
was hopeful for Trump four years ago. He exceeded every expectation I had. He was an outstanding
00:36:34.000
president by policy. And I was remarking to one of our team the other day. I said, I don't know what
00:36:38.600
Teddy Roosevelt was like as a man. I would imagine he was gruff and rough and tough because his life
00:36:45.460
seemed to be an expression of that. But the short answer is, who cares? Look what he accomplished.
00:36:50.720
Look what he did as a man. I don't know what George Washington's manners were like. Maybe I should read
00:36:55.960
a biography about him. But the idea that a fellow would lose because he wasn't Minnesota nice or he
00:37:01.020
wasn't being gentle with the McCain widow. Look, I understand it. But wouldn't that be something if
00:37:08.420
the man who brought peace between Israel and three Arab regimes, the man who rebuilt the American
00:37:14.460
military and got NATO to pay their own way, the man who finally checked China, the man who
00:37:19.380
unleashed the oil and gas industry and made America energy independent, wouldn't it be something
00:37:24.280
if the man who achieved all these things was undone because of a daintiness? And so I feel like there
00:37:32.520
is a great loss. And yes. Well, let me let me tell you something about that, actually. It's a very
00:37:37.020
interesting point because, first of all, Trump may not lose. This is something he's determined to fight.
00:37:41.880
And again, as I said, things are changing hour by hour, minute by minute. If Arizona goes back
00:37:47.600
to Trump, I've actually done some of the electoral math and I'm not an expert and I don't like to do
00:37:51.940
this. Actually, I can't stand it. But I did it just out of curiosity. If Arizona goes to Trump
00:37:59.400
and Trump holds Pennsylvania and Trump wins Nevada, which is also possible, and I'm told the Biden people
00:38:05.640
are privately conceding Nevada. But Biden wins Michigan and Wisconsin, we have a 269 to 269 tie
00:38:15.940
in the Electoral College, an absolute deadlock tie. And then, my good man, we get into what I want,
00:38:23.800
which is the House of Representatives. And I am enjoying the prospect of seeing that happen because
00:38:29.620
in my mind, it's the only legitimate way to settle an outcome like this. But on your point about Trump
00:38:36.120
being a successful president and yet perhaps being shown the door because of his mannerisms,
00:38:42.220
you mentioned Teddy Roosevelt. We forget because he's on Mount Rushmore, but we forget that Teddy
00:38:48.720
Roosevelt lost his last presidential election. Teddy Roosevelt in, I think it was 1912.
00:38:54.460
Or yeah, I think it was 1912. Either 1908 or 1912. I think it was 1912. He ran on a new party ticket
00:39:02.720
called the Bull Moose Party. They were the progressive Republicans. And they believed in a
00:39:07.840
kind of muscular government that achieved things for ordinary people. And this was later repudiated by
00:39:16.720
libertarian conservatives. But it's very much in the mold of Donald Trump. He split from his party
00:39:24.340
and he ran on the Bull Moose ticket and he lost. And that's how Teddy Roosevelt left politics.
00:39:31.560
Victor Davis Hanson, whom I know you also admire and enjoy reading, wrote a brilliant book called
00:39:37.540
The Case for Trump. I think that's what it's called. And at the end, Victor Davis Hanson, who has a deep
00:39:45.040
grounding in the classics and in the Greek heroes, talks about Trump as the Western hero or really the
00:39:51.920
Western antihero. And describes the plot of the typical Western movie when an outlaw comes into
00:39:59.180
town to clean up the town because the sheriff can't and the people are terrified and the bandits keep
00:40:05.900
coming by and robbing the bank and plundering homes and so forth. So they make this outlaw the new sheriff
00:40:11.940
and he cleans up the town because he's willing to do what nobody else will. But in the end,
00:40:18.700
the outlaw is sent away again. The people reject the outlaw. They don't like him permanently governing
00:40:24.760
and he rides off into the sunset. And Victor Davis Hanson, who predicted Trump would win in 2020,
00:40:32.540
and he still might, also said that the likeliest outcome for the Trump presidency one day is a
00:40:40.960
repudiation or at least a rejection by the very people he helped for reasons that seem ridiculous
00:40:46.620
at the time. And it fits the the Greek hero or the Western hero, the man who cleaned up the town,
00:40:53.740
the man who saved the city, but was too heroic to remain within it.
00:41:03.060
Well, that's a very dramatic and interesting way to look at it. I just wish that that
00:41:07.480
send off what happened in 2024 rather than. Yeah, I agree with you. There's so much work left to be
00:41:13.320
done. And I think the scariest thing you said was that the social media companies did not lose this
00:41:19.180
election. And in fact, they're flexing their muscles even today, censoring six times Trump.
00:41:28.360
I find I find that ominous. And there's certain swings of the pendulum that do not swing back.
00:41:37.640
There's certain things that do not come back. It's a ratchet, not a pendulum.
00:41:43.160
The naturalization and an amnesty of tens of millions of illegal aliens.
00:41:47.320
Certain freedoms once lost, never won again. Texas going blue.
00:41:51.520
There are certain things that once happened don't come back again. And America is such a rare anomaly.
00:41:58.540
And I'm worried for it as an admirer of America. I'm going to try and look at things in the bright
00:42:06.140
side and I will take your advice that it's not done yet. I'd love that outcome you described
00:42:10.660
of 269 to 269. All I would say is good luck down there and good luck to Breitbart, which has such an
00:42:18.840
important role. Thanks for being with us today on this very busy day.
00:42:21.320
You should rather wish luck to our opponents because we have survived everything and we will survive this
00:42:27.360
also. Fair deal, my friend. Thanks for your time.
00:42:31.980
All right. There you have it. Joel Pollack, senior editor-at-large at Breitbart.com. Stay with us.
00:42:36.500
Well, what do you think of the election? I mean, obviously we care about Canada. It's our home
00:42:52.520
and native land. But what happens in America is very momentous, especially these days with such
00:42:57.180
a stark choice. The winner of this election will impact our lives here, I believe, as much as the
00:43:02.920
winner of our own election. Last night, Sheila Gunn-Reed and I and the rest of the Rebel Talent
00:43:07.560
did a almost nine-hour live stream. And we had about 300,000 viewers of our live stream last night.
00:43:16.320
It was pretty exciting. I wonder if you were one of our viewers. If so, thank you for that.
00:43:20.320
Well, we're going to keep covering the news in the United States, but also here in Canada,
00:43:24.800
our home. And we're going to cover it in a way that tells the other side of the story.
00:43:29.180
Well, that's still allowed, at least. All right. That's our show for today. Until tomorrow.
00:43:32.700
On behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night.