Rebel News Podcast - July 08, 2021


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Episode Stats

Length

55 minutes

Words per Minute

154.11942

Word Count

8,489

Sentence Count

783

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

6


Summary

In this episode, we talk about the growing problem of corporate and tech censorship, and why it's more terrifying than government censorship. We talk about how companies like YouTube, Google, and other tech companies are using artificial intelligence (AI) to censor their users, and how that could have a big impact on our freedom.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Well, you heard it right there.
00:00:23.640 We're warning you about censorship on YouTube, at least, and elsewhere in life.
00:00:28.980 If you say the wrong thing, you will be censored.
00:00:32.460 I think in some ways it's much worse than government censorship.
00:00:35.800 My experience with government censorship is they at least follow some procedure.
00:00:42.300 They give you some sort of notice that there was some complaint.
00:00:45.980 There's some sort of hearing, maybe some sort of an appeal.
00:00:50.580 And there's some transparency.
00:00:55.760 Whereas corporate censorship, none of those things happen.
00:00:58.560 You're just suspended or deleted.
00:01:01.380 There's no way to reply or appeal or interact.
00:01:06.120 Laws don't apply because it's some Facebook Supreme Court, which is a fake thing.
00:01:10.620 It's just whatever they want.
00:01:12.360 And it's very opaque.
00:01:14.680 And, of course, the more thoughtful and creative censors in government see that and say, hmm, if I try and censor people through government, there's going to be a big fuss.
00:01:28.100 There's going to be a trial.
00:01:29.120 Well, I'm in the hands of a nominally independent judge who might not like it.
00:01:33.400 And if this could be a very extended matter, what if I just contract out my censorship to Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, Google, LinkedIn, Pinterest, Apple, Android?
00:01:48.000 And I said, what if I contract it out?
00:01:50.580 In fact, what if we do censorship just very under the table, very in a whisper, maybe a phone call saying, hey, can you keep an eye on this?
00:02:01.580 And we've seen that before.
00:02:02.660 We've interviewed someone who worked as a censor at Facebook, basically in a factory in Arizona.
00:02:08.120 There were hundreds of them who would just review hundreds and hundreds of offensive Facebook posts.
00:02:15.860 And they had a rule book.
00:02:17.720 And the most terrifying thing about that interview, we'll have to have that Facebook censor back on another day.
00:02:23.400 First of all, they targeted the Canadian election.
00:02:25.440 That was interesting.
00:02:26.340 There were censors in Facebook in Arizona who were given a briefing book on how to censor the Canadian election.
00:02:34.060 Isn't that creepy?
00:02:34.820 But the most terrifying thing, I think his name is Ryan Hartwig, I'm going from memory, said is that you had hundreds of censors working around the clock.
00:02:45.580 I think he said they had three shifts a day, if I'm not mistaken, is that they were training the AI.
00:02:54.260 They were training the artificial intelligence.
00:02:56.940 So if you've got hundreds of censors making thousands of decisions a day.
00:03:02.180 In fact, I did the math at the time.
00:03:05.340 This one censorship factory that Facebook had in Arizona was like censoring 100,000 posts a day or something.
00:03:13.100 When you have 100,000 decisions a day and the AI is watching them, okay, this word bad, this word good, this word combination gray area.
00:03:24.100 You know, if you have 10 a day, maybe you don't, it's not clear if you have 100 a day, if you have 1,000, if you have 100,000 decisions a day or a week or a month.
00:03:36.040 You could see how smart computer programmers, and there's plenty of those in these tech companies, can teach a machine to censor.
00:03:46.860 So it's not even a human anymore.
00:03:49.580 In fact, I think that Facebook has closed down a number of their censorship factories because now it's all the AI.
00:03:56.360 And, you know, they say it's an old phrase, computer programming, garbage in, garbage out.
00:04:01.200 Have you ever heard that?
00:04:05.860 What if the rules your AI is following are garbage?
00:04:11.060 What if they're biased to begin with?
00:04:12.740 Which they sure they are.
00:04:13.540 Of course they are.
00:04:14.080 So, um, I am much more worried about corporate censorship, tech censorship, than I am about government censorship.
00:04:23.480 And I know that sounds contrary to what I've been saying these past months about the looming censorship bills by Stephen Gilboa and Justin Trudeau.
00:04:30.600 C10 that would regulate the internet.
00:04:32.380 C36 that would provide censorship of hate speech.
00:04:37.180 But at least there's a human element there.
00:04:39.800 At least there are judges or commissioners there.
00:04:42.260 At least there is some sort of a procedure there.
00:04:44.360 At least the Charter of Rights still exists there.
00:04:46.540 At least there's some court of appeal there.
00:04:48.840 At least there's some notice there.
00:04:50.780 None of the things I've just listed exist in big tech censorship.
00:04:55.060 And, um, King Zuckerberg and King Jack Dorsey, the Mad King, they're the ultimate bosses.
00:05:03.080 It scares me more.
00:05:04.120 So that's why we run that warning at the beginning of our YouTube.
00:05:08.880 Because just to let you know that we are censored by YouTube.
00:05:14.700 Speaking of which, Donald Trump announced he's suing big tech.
00:05:18.840 Do we have a clip of that?
00:05:19.860 I think we do.
00:05:23.460 Um, yeah, let's play it.
00:05:29.740 Yeah, Justin's saying, uh, is it okay to put that on YouTube?
00:05:32.820 And look at that.
00:05:33.600 Is, I mean, we're also on Rumble, SuperU.net, and Odyssey.
00:05:38.260 I love those three platforms.
00:05:40.700 But Justin just asked me in my ear, are we okay to put that on YouTube?
00:05:44.040 Isn't that crazy?
00:05:44.800 Because YouTube has so many anti-Trump rules.
00:05:47.780 And by the way, we were suspended for a week because we showed an old video that Donald
00:05:52.860 Trump did as president.
00:05:54.960 Like in, in January, I did a little video called, if big tech can censor Trump, they can censor
00:06:00.620 anyone.
00:06:01.040 That was literally the title of the video.
00:06:02.880 And as if to show me I was right, they said that was the reason they were taking our entire
00:06:11.580 channel off the air for a week.
00:06:13.040 Um, I think their excuse was because he said something about, um, the election being stolen.
00:06:23.760 So, uh, go ahead and play the clip.
00:06:26.160 Let's take a look.
00:06:26.900 Let's roll the dice.
00:06:28.020 Thank you very much, Brooke.
00:06:29.300 I appreciate that.
00:06:30.460 Thank you, everybody.
00:06:33.040 I just want to say that I stand before you this morning.
00:06:37.480 Well, I don't know if that's nature or if that's the AI or if that's YouTube saying you
00:06:51.660 won't play this clip.
00:06:53.040 We'll try and get that going.
00:06:54.500 Let's try again.
00:06:57.580 I just want to say that I stand before you this morning to announce a very important and
00:07:05.920 very beautiful, I think, development for our freedom and our freedom of speech, and that
00:07:12.100 goes to all Americans.
00:07:14.340 Today, in conjunction with the America First Policy Institute, I'm filing as the lead class
00:07:23.440 representative a major class action lawsuit against the big tech giants, including Facebook,
00:07:30.220 Google, and Twitter, as well as their CEOs, Mark Zuckerberg.
00:07:36.640 Sundar Pache and Jack Dorsey.
00:07:40.820 Three real nice guys.
00:07:44.940 We're asking the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida to order an immediate
00:07:51.000 halt to social media companies, illegal, shameful censorship of the American people, and that's
00:07:59.520 exactly what they are doing.
00:08:01.840 We're demanding...
00:08:01.920 You know what?
00:08:03.380 I look forward to reading the lawsuit.
00:08:05.140 I haven't had a chance to read it yet.
00:08:06.540 This announcement is very the reason I have to chuckle.
00:08:10.340 He's met Sundar Pache, the president of Google.
00:08:15.580 But that, Sundar Pache, that just made me laugh.
00:08:18.580 I don't know if he does that on purpose.
00:08:19.920 Sometimes Trump does things like that on purpose, just so they become memes, so they become memorable,
00:08:26.640 so you have a chuckle to irritate Sundar Pache.
00:08:30.640 Pache.
00:08:31.640 You see, Francais, Sundar Pache.
00:08:34.480 I have a complaint against you, Mr. Pache.
00:08:38.500 He just makes me chuckle.
00:08:40.140 I miss him.
00:08:41.420 But if you think I miss Donald Trump, there's no...
00:08:43.400 I have no lack of things to talk about, let me assure you.
00:08:47.000 You know that because they don't stop talking.
00:08:48.920 But if you think I miss talking about Donald Trump, holy mackerel, do the CNNs and the MSNBCs miss Trump?
00:08:58.700 Do they ever miss Trump?
00:09:00.120 What can they talk about now?
00:09:01.660 Because there is a lot to talk about now.
00:09:05.540 Biden, Harris, the price of gasoline in America, China, big tech issues, the pandemic, lockdowns, Fauci.
00:09:15.360 I can tell you a hundred things to think about China's moves on Taiwan.
00:09:18.920 You know, the Middle East and setbacks there.
00:09:23.860 But check this out.
00:09:24.700 CNN ratings are dramatically down since Trump left office.
00:09:28.900 The network lost nearly 50% of its target audience during primetime hours.
00:09:33.900 And that's from March.
00:09:36.280 I tell you it's fallen further.
00:09:38.640 You know who tracks this closely?
00:09:40.720 I don't know if you know how to search on Twitter.
00:09:43.700 From Colin Gregg, Glenn Greenwald, is that his last name?
00:09:48.920 The former guy with The Intercept and MSNBC, he tracks them nightly.
00:09:55.580 Greenwald, right?
00:09:56.400 Glenn Greenwald, you know who I'm talking about?
00:09:58.240 And if you just do that from Colin, Glenn Greenwald, MSNBC, and then sort by latest.
00:10:05.100 So you just showed an article, Justin.
00:10:09.160 That was a great article, very fast, showing that their ratings had fallen 50% in just two months, right?
00:10:14.640 Trump was done his presidency in January.
00:10:17.900 By March, they had fallen by 50%.
00:10:20.480 Yeah, Glenn Greenwald.
00:10:23.040 Scroll down, scroll down.
00:10:27.260 Is this sorted by?
00:10:29.360 Yeah, keep scrolling a bit, a little bit.
00:10:35.680 Keep scrolling, we'll find it soon, because he gets into their rate.
00:10:38.340 Here we go.
00:10:40.100 So just up a little bit.
00:10:41.480 Just scroll up a tiny bit.
00:10:42.420 However shockingly tiny and minuscule you think MSN and CNN's audience size is, it's way smaller than even that.
00:10:55.340 MSNBC barely has an audience on the weekends.
00:10:59.180 I'm concerned their ratings are going to fall into negatives, which shouldn't be possible.
00:11:04.740 So can you click on that graphic there?
00:11:06.400 Let's just take a close look at that.
00:11:07.780 So this is cable news ratings, Sunday, May 23rd.
00:11:12.040 Okay, so it's still a month old.
00:11:14.600 25 to 50-year-old demographic viewers, and then total viewers.
00:11:19.100 So the number on the left is what they call the demo.
00:11:23.020 That's what advertisers want.
00:11:25.280 Advertisers, frankly, are not that interested in people in their 70s,
00:11:28.940 because they're not buying cars, they're not buying homes, they're not buying fancy vacations,
00:11:34.040 they're not buying kids' stuff, they're not buying.
00:11:35.740 Advertisers want buyers, so they call 25 to 54 the demo.
00:11:43.060 So they're highlighting, so the number on the left is the demo,
00:11:47.900 the number on the right is total viewers, which basically means seniors.
00:11:53.300 So MSNBC, that's the yellow highlighted in the middle,
00:11:57.920 the number of viewers, like take for example, prime time, 8 p.m., that's prime time.
00:12:04.780 You got less than 50,000 people in the demo watching.
00:12:09.780 A national American network.
00:12:12.000 Now you got 412,000 watching altogether.
00:12:14.540 That tells you they're seniors, which is fine.
00:12:16.980 I'm going to be a senior soon enough.
00:12:18.740 But the demo, 49,000.
00:12:21.300 Compare that to Fox, 124,000.
00:12:24.520 CNN, 78,000, quite low.
00:12:26.640 So, you know, I've stopped paying close attention to our YouTube, I think, to our YouTube stats
00:12:35.580 because we're really moving on to other platforms like Rumble, Super U, and Odyssey.
00:12:40.660 But we, just in case you're wondering, we get more viewers than that.
00:12:46.480 We're, we started in my living room six years ago.
00:12:50.100 We're in like some industrial park in outer Toronto.
00:12:55.880 You know, we're pretty homemade.
00:12:57.540 We're getting more viewers than MSNBC.
00:13:03.380 And how's that even possible?
00:13:05.560 Well, it's because, well, here's the thing.
00:13:08.800 I'm going to give away a little trade secret here.
00:13:10.740 If I was trying to give MSNBC advice on how to get viewers,
00:13:14.600 how about have the same accountability journalism, scrutiny journalism, skepticism journalism
00:13:19.460 that you deployed against Donald Trump, how about deploy that to Kamala Harris and Joe Biden?
00:13:27.480 Fact check them in the same way.
00:13:29.520 Scrutinize them in the same way.
00:13:31.080 Can you give me that, type in the Twitter, Joe Biden ice cream?
00:13:35.620 Like Joe Biden went out for ice cream.
00:13:37.100 And hey, you know, as you can tell just by looking at me, I've done that once or twice.
00:13:41.140 Is that news?
00:13:42.080 Well, you might have a photo of it to illustrate a story because it's fun.
00:13:45.180 Watching people eat ice cream for some reason is always a fun photo compared to the normal.
00:13:49.460 But you've got the president and you've got, you can put questions to him for a second.
00:13:54.760 And you're going to say, hey, man, let's talk about the ice cream.
00:13:58.380 I mean, his presidency, by many measures, is in crisis.
00:14:02.600 But you're just doing stories on how many scoops of ice cream he had.
00:14:05.360 They did stories on Donald Trump ice cream, too, if you recall.
00:14:09.520 It was a scandal that he always ordered two scoops of ice cream at dinner.
00:14:13.580 So this was not only a scandal, it was newsworthy in a negative way.
00:14:18.020 So they did do Trump ice cream series.
00:14:19.840 Do we have any Biden ice cream?
00:14:21.960 Let's just take a look.
00:14:23.560 Come on, senators.
00:14:25.660 Welcome to Movers.
00:14:26.780 How are you?
00:14:27.560 We're well.
00:14:28.040 How are you?
00:14:28.860 OK.
00:14:29.640 Do you know what you like?
00:14:30.400 Oh, my gosh.
00:14:31.240 I don't.
00:14:31.620 Do you know what you want?
00:14:32.320 I just.
00:14:32.960 We're in the cherry capital of the world.
00:14:34.800 I know that, but I'm a chocolate chip guy.
00:14:36.560 Chocolate chip.
00:14:37.500 I want a double dip waffle cone with chocolate, vanilla chocolate chip.
00:14:41.260 Vanilla chocolate chip.
00:14:42.020 We can do that.
00:14:42.540 I got two scoops.
00:14:43.760 You got two scoops and a waffle cone with a plate chocolate chip.
00:14:47.200 OK.
00:14:48.560 14.
00:14:49.760 14.58.
00:14:50.860 I'm 20.
00:14:52.160 Are you buying, Mr. President?
00:14:53.520 I am.
00:14:54.100 Last of the big spending.
00:14:55.000 Oh, my gosh.
00:14:55.740 Thank you, Mr. President.
00:14:56.540 Thank you.
00:14:57.100 I did it.
00:14:58.200 Very good.
00:14:58.940 You can't come to Traverse City without coming here.
00:15:04.760 Traverse City.
00:15:05.300 We sent a team down there in Michigan for one of Trump's last rallies of the election.
00:15:12.120 Now, I don't mind that.
00:15:13.220 That's just rolling the camera on what was said.
00:15:15.680 That was actually not really journalism.
00:15:17.420 That was just showing Trump, Biden buying ice cream.
00:15:20.480 But the news coverage.
00:15:22.580 Thank you for showing that.
00:15:23.400 That's exactly what it went.
00:15:24.060 But the news coverage flowing from that.
00:15:26.760 And there were a couple of questions that he brushed off.
00:15:30.080 If a guy goes out to get ice cream, turn the camera on and show it.
00:15:33.240 That is real journalism.
00:15:34.360 I don't have a beef with the way, I think that was NBC or CBS show that.
00:15:38.600 I don't have a beef with that.
00:15:39.680 But it was then they're commented, they're reported, they're editorialized journalism
00:15:43.240 flowing from that that was not accountability journalism.
00:15:46.960 It was just gushing about the fact that Biden bought ice cream.
00:15:51.720 He's done so few press availabilities since becoming president.
00:15:56.160 I don't know if you remember this.
00:15:57.620 It's so long ago now.
00:16:00.040 Like it's six months ago.
00:16:01.360 Trump used to have press conferences pretty much every day.
00:16:06.020 And it was not unusual for them to be an hour long.
00:16:11.840 And he was the one usually who called the reporters.
00:16:15.420 And do you remember, Justin?
00:16:16.860 He specifically called on his haters every day.
00:16:22.480 Journalists, there was a symbiosis to use a biological term.
00:16:27.340 He would call on Jim Acosta, Jim Acosta would fight with him.
00:16:32.460 They both loved it, obviously.
00:16:34.120 They both loved it.
00:16:35.760 When was the last time Joe Biden called on a hostile or challenging reporter?
00:16:39.540 And it is fair to call Jim Acosta hostile.
00:16:41.620 Yeah.
00:16:42.120 Give me some volume.
00:16:42.820 Here we go.
00:16:45.040 Well, if you don't mind, Mr. President, that this caravan was an invasion.
00:16:49.580 I consider it to be an invasion.
00:16:51.040 As you know, Mr. President, the caravan was not an invasion.
00:16:53.280 It's a group of migrants moving up from Central America towards the border with the U.S.
00:16:59.080 Thank you for telling me that I appreciate it.
00:17:00.640 Why did you characterize it as such?
00:17:04.680 Because I consider it an invasion.
00:17:06.640 You and I have a difference of opinion.
00:17:08.060 But do you think that you demonized immigrants in this election to try to keep—
00:17:12.420 I want them to come into the country, but they have to come in legally.
00:17:15.480 You know, they have to come in, Jim, through a process.
00:17:17.700 I want it to be a process.
00:17:19.360 And I want people to come in.
00:17:20.740 And we need the people.
00:17:21.600 Your campaign—
00:17:22.320 Wait, wait.
00:17:23.580 You know why we need the people, don't you?
00:17:25.340 Because we have hundreds of companies moving in.
00:17:27.720 We need the people.
00:17:28.580 But your campaign had an ad showing migrants climbing over walls and so on.
00:17:33.120 Well, that's true.
00:17:33.840 But they weren't actors.
00:17:34.840 They're not going to be doing that.
00:17:35.680 They weren't actors.
00:17:36.700 Well, no, it's true.
00:17:37.620 Do you think they were actors?
00:17:38.920 They weren't actors.
00:17:39.740 They didn't come from Hollywood.
00:17:41.500 These were people—this was an actual—you know, it happened a few days ago.
00:17:47.780 And—
00:17:48.180 They're hundreds of miles away, though.
00:17:49.540 They're hundreds and hundreds of miles away.
00:17:51.480 That's not an invasion.
00:17:52.580 Honestly, I think you should let me run the country.
00:17:55.240 You run CNN.
00:17:56.400 All right.
00:17:56.580 And if you did it well, your ratings—
00:17:58.340 Let me ask you, if I may ask one of the questions.
00:18:00.380 Mr. President, if I may ask one of the questions.
00:18:02.940 You know, I miss all of that.
00:18:07.560 How many times did it cost to come back?
00:18:09.940 I didn't count.
00:18:11.160 But it was close to ten, you know?
00:18:13.760 Like, that wasn't a question and then one short follow-up.
00:18:17.300 That was a banter.
00:18:18.980 That was a ping-pong match.
00:18:20.600 That was a back-and-forth.
00:18:22.020 That wasn't a conversation.
00:18:23.480 That was an argument, right?
00:18:25.380 Like, how many times did Acosta come back at Trump?
00:18:29.460 I didn't count.
00:18:30.680 Close to ten.
00:18:32.480 And who chose the questions?
00:18:34.820 You saw the journalists putting up there.
00:18:36.220 Trump chose the question.
00:18:37.960 Trump could have ignored Acosta his entire term.
00:18:42.580 He didn't.
00:18:43.980 Because how do you think Trump did?
00:18:45.580 Trump was freaking loving it.
00:18:48.200 I don't know if he loved it just because that's his sparring nature.
00:18:52.160 If he liked it because it was mental exercise for him.
00:18:56.520 Like, a man of power is surrounded often by yes-men or courtiers who would say,
00:19:02.520 oh, emperor, your new clothes look fascinating.
00:19:05.240 Like, maybe he just liked the combativeness of a hostile person, kept him sharp.
00:19:11.940 Wasn't he sharp, though?
00:19:13.140 Well, he had his answers quick.
00:19:16.680 He was not waiting.
00:19:20.320 He didn't have to pull out cue cards like Joe Biden.
00:19:26.920 Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:19:28.060 Sorry, go ahead, Justin.
00:19:29.260 Play that clip.
00:19:29.820 Justin reminds me.
00:19:30.880 Here's how Biden rolls.
00:19:32.400 I'm happy to take questions if you have them.
00:19:34.420 He gave me a list of how to recognize.
00:19:40.320 Is Alex AP out there?
00:19:44.120 So Biden has given a list of the names of reporters he should call on.
00:19:50.400 If he were like Trump, he would call on Fox News, One American Network, Newsmax.
00:19:56.700 He would call on Breitbart.com.
00:19:59.680 He would call on rambunctious conservatives.
00:20:01.260 Not solely, but he would do that every time to be sharp.
00:20:06.100 And it's such a reminder of how focused and alert Trump was.
00:20:10.640 It's hard to believe.
00:20:13.060 I think, what's Trump?
00:20:14.380 74 and what's Biden?
00:20:15.520 78, if I'm going from memory here.
00:20:18.920 Biden looks so much older, doesn't he?
00:20:21.240 Trump looks young, vigorous, combative.
00:20:23.700 Trump would hold court for an hour.
00:20:26.880 75 and 78 are their ages.
00:20:31.960 So, yeah.
00:20:34.680 Just the frequency of press conferences with Trump, it was almost daily, if not daily.
00:20:39.680 The duration of press conferences with Trump, it was often an hour or more.
00:20:43.980 And most importantly, the quality of those press conferences.
00:20:46.680 Trump calling from his most hostile antagonists.
00:20:50.280 And letting him go 10 rounds.
00:20:55.020 Like, Jim Acosta there went again and again.
00:20:59.820 And Jim Acosta would say that was a huge win.
00:21:03.400 He held Donald Trump to greater account, more directly, than any Democrat.
00:21:08.660 Of course, Acosta is a Democrat, working for Democrats.
00:21:11.080 And Trump obviously felt like he had some reason for doing it, too.
00:21:15.680 Either just a duty to talk to the press, or he thought his base loved to see him spar with Acosta,
00:21:22.520 or for whatever reason, maybe just because he could.
00:21:25.340 We don't have that kind of accountability journalism anymore.
00:21:28.900 You can see why that made for ratings, right?
00:21:32.360 That was bloody exciting to watch, wasn't it?
00:21:35.500 That was, who wouldn't tune in?
00:21:37.560 You're an Acosta fan, you're tuning in.
00:21:39.720 You're a Trump fan, it's like an MMA fight.
00:21:42.840 It's like a big battle.
00:21:44.860 Both sides want to see a fight.
00:21:47.840 It's each side thinking they've got the better guy.
00:21:53.180 Yeah, I'd watch TV news if that was on every day.
00:21:56.780 In fact, I did watch TV news.
00:21:58.440 Would you watch Joe Biden calling on pre-scripted questions
00:22:03.380 and then answering from a cue card in his pocket?
00:22:06.840 That's why the ratings are so low.
00:22:08.820 All right, I'm going to read some chats, and then we've got some other stuff I want to get to.
00:22:16.140 On Super U, Bishop says, Donald Trump just declared war on big tech.
00:22:20.620 Yeah, you know what, though?
00:22:21.620 We're talking about the lawsuit filed.
00:22:25.240 He had four years as president where he didn't have to sue in a civil suit.
00:22:29.700 He could have passed laws, executive orders, had the Department of Justice make moves.
00:22:33.760 Why didn't he do that for four years?
00:22:35.700 I like what he's doing now, but it's hard not to think,
00:22:38.920 why did you not act for four years when you had all the levers in your hand?
00:22:45.360 Rumbles.
00:22:45.960 Frog soup.
00:22:47.620 MSM is dying with cable.
00:22:49.100 Well, I mean, what even is cable versus YouTube versus the Internet versus...
00:22:56.160 I mean, a lot of people are watching the Internet on their TVs, you know, casting or streaming or whatever.
00:23:02.820 There's a big blur between them.
00:23:05.520 Hyperchat on Odyssey from Juice Moose, parent company of CNN that's trying to sell the building in Atlanta they are housed in.
00:23:10.760 Okay, that could be for real estate reasons.
00:23:13.680 I know post-media, for a while their most valuable assets was the real estate.
00:23:18.640 Newspapers used to be in the heart of cities, prestigious buildings, when newspapers themselves were prestigious.
00:23:26.620 So it wouldn't shock me if the most valuable asset of any media company that's dying is their premium offices.
00:23:35.280 Super U, Hammerskroll, 88, MSM doesn't seem to care about ratings anymore.
00:23:44.160 Some truth to that, because they're on an ideological mission as much as any financial mission.
00:23:49.860 But they do care about ratings in the end.
00:23:54.820 Even if it's, again, not for financial reasons, because you're on a mission.
00:23:57.960 If you're on a mission, you want people to hear what you have to say.
00:24:00.800 If you're on a financial mission, you want people to hear what you have to say, because that's how you get paid.
00:24:04.360 If you're on an ideological mission, you want people to hear what you have to say, because you're trying to convert hearts and minds.
00:24:11.620 All right.
00:24:13.140 Trump suing big tech.
00:24:14.700 Check.
00:24:15.780 Sundar Poucher.
00:24:17.140 Check.
00:24:24.320 I'm just looking at my notes here.
00:24:27.080 I want to talk a little bit about the church burnings in Canada.
00:24:30.480 I don't know how many have been burned now.
00:24:35.860 I think there's a lot of vandalism.
00:24:38.500 Burning a church is harder to do.
00:24:40.360 I've never tried, obviously, but I've tried to start campfires.
00:24:43.120 It's hard.
00:24:44.440 You know?
00:24:45.320 Now, if you're in absolutely bone-dry heat waves, like rural BC,
00:24:50.720 and it's a wooden church and it's old, I can imagine that that would go up in flames pretty quick.
00:24:56.720 But if you're, like, I just think it's harder to start a fire than to throw paint on something.
00:25:04.080 But we have both hate crimes in Canada right now.
00:25:08.160 We have lots of vandalized churches.
00:25:10.500 And we have burnt churches, including some in the city.
00:25:18.420 Our own Adam Sos interviewed Father Long, whose church was attacked.
00:25:26.480 Let's take a quick look at that.
00:25:27.640 This is a used to be a rectory for the priest to live.
00:25:34.180 And this building is for the convent, for the sisters.
00:25:40.600 They had, they was in this building for many, many years.
00:25:45.700 Still smell smoke in here.
00:25:47.880 Yeah, it certainly does.
00:25:48.760 Oh, and there you can see it over there.
00:25:50.620 That's what it said.
00:25:51.180 So did they break the glass and then set a fire or the glass broke?
00:25:54.680 Yeah, so the damage there, it wouldn't cost much to fix it.
00:26:01.660 Probably the community or even some people can fix that in the future.
00:26:07.920 It was very lucky.
00:26:10.380 But after that, I spent all day on Monday to clean up the church.
00:26:16.900 Because it was all soot and black and smoke.
00:26:18.900 Yeah, because the fire crews used the fire extinguisher.
00:26:24.680 They used the fire extinguisher to flow in.
00:26:25.620 So, yeah, these are the older, for the native, the skin is important for them.
00:26:33.660 It is, the skin is a symbol of life, strength.
00:26:39.320 So, they put it there.
00:26:41.180 So, it seems that in a very real way, through this process of reconciliation, the church is not an enemy,
00:26:50.220 but it's the place where the community gathers to heal together and get through this?
00:26:55.000 Exactly.
00:26:56.020 Yeah.
00:26:56.820 Yeah.
00:26:58.080 So, who are the victims?
00:26:59.800 Again, the analogy couldn't be clearer.
00:27:01.740 It's like when Black Lives Matter riots burnt down black-owned businesses in black neighborhoods in America.
00:27:12.020 Who are you getting even with?
00:27:14.340 Who are you wreaking your vengeance on?
00:27:18.400 So, you're in a black community where black people live and you burn down a black-owned business,
00:27:24.460 punishing that black-owned businessman and depriving the black community of a business.
00:27:30.200 How is that promoting anything?
00:27:33.400 And here we have arsonists of unknown nature, torching churches.
00:27:42.620 Some churches that are aboriginal congregants, churches that minister to and cater to the aboriginal.
00:27:52.960 I mean, how are you helping anybody?
00:27:57.620 It's so stupid.
00:27:59.780 But it's not just stupid.
00:28:01.180 It's a crime.
00:28:01.640 So, in that case, it looks like there was both vandalism and attempted arsonists.
00:28:05.220 It was arson, rather.
00:28:07.420 It just didn't burn the whole thing down.
00:28:08.940 But it was arson.
00:28:12.080 If there was a hate crime wave like this, an arson wave across Canada, targeting mosques,
00:28:17.560 you would not have any place to hide from the news coverage and the political statements
00:28:24.560 and the vigils and the days of mourning and days of action and days of rage
00:28:28.600 and flags at half-mast and counter-terrorism squads and hate crime charges and somber speeches
00:28:35.400 in parliament, you would just have no end of it.
00:28:38.800 But these are Christian churches and Trudeau really doesn't give a damn.
00:28:41.620 In fact, the most shocking thing, and I did a video about this the other day.
00:28:48.660 The head of the Civil Liberties Union in British Columbia, one of the largest in the country,
00:28:52.360 actually, who's supposed to be defending freedom of religion.
00:28:58.880 Freedom of religion is actually, can you call it the Charter of Rights for a second?
00:29:03.320 It actually comes ahead of freedom of speech.
00:29:08.240 If you look at the order in Canada's Constitution, Section 2 is where our fundamental freedoms are.
00:29:14.620 So these are the ones that are most important.
00:29:17.660 That's why they're called fundamental freedoms.
00:29:19.180 They're the big ones.
00:29:20.580 They're the ones that other freedoms depend on.
00:29:23.340 And we've done this before, but let's just take two minutes to do it again.
00:29:26.860 They're in order.
00:29:29.480 They're in a logical order.
00:29:31.040 What do I mean by that?
00:29:31.780 You can't have a meaningful freedom to vote if you don't have a freedom to speak, right, in a campaign.
00:29:41.320 And you can't have a freedom to speak if you don't have a freedom to think, right?
00:29:48.300 So they're in a logical order.
00:29:51.340 And if you were the head of the B.C. Civil Liberties Association and your job is to defend fundamental freedoms,
00:29:57.800 the most important freedoms are freedom of conscience, freedom of belief, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom of faith.
00:30:06.260 Then comes your freedom of speech and expression.
00:30:09.360 Then comes your freedom of association.
00:30:13.220 Then comes your freedom, that means who you hang out with.
00:30:18.000 Yeah.
00:30:18.180 So look at the order.
00:30:19.760 Do you see the order there?
00:30:23.020 Two.
00:30:23.660 Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms.
00:30:25.280 A. Freedom of conscience and religion.
00:30:29.420 B. Freedom of thought, belief, opinion, and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication.
00:30:35.820 So it goes in order.
00:30:37.540 Your conscience.
00:30:39.140 Your conscience allows you to have a religion.
00:30:43.380 Your religion lets you think and believe and then have an opinion and then express the opinion
00:30:49.400 and express the opinion through the press and other media.
00:30:51.840 Do you see the order?
00:30:52.640 Like, it's growing, right?
00:30:54.280 Do you see the arrow here?
00:30:56.340 Then C. Freedom of peaceful assembly.
00:30:58.320 So you can get together at a church, on a street, and freedom of association,
00:31:03.620 hang out with a political party.
00:31:05.000 You can't have a public meeting.
00:31:06.220 You can't have thought, belief, opinion, and expression, including the media.
00:31:10.600 So the reason why you put your fundamental freedoms first is because your democratic rights mean nothing without them.
00:31:16.600 They have votes in Cuba.
00:31:20.840 They have Section 3, every citizen in Canada has the right to vote in an election.
00:31:26.360 Yeah, they got that in Cuba.
00:31:27.540 They got their elections.
00:31:28.500 What are you talking about?
00:31:29.040 They got their elections.
00:31:29.720 They just don't have meaningful elections because they don't have Section 2, A, B, C, and D.
00:31:33.360 Scroll down a bit.
00:31:36.420 Let me refresh.
00:31:37.140 I'm trying to remember what number 5 is.
00:31:40.060 Okay, they'll be sitting in Parliament once every year.
00:31:42.460 Okay, yeah.
00:31:43.140 I mean, again, that's meaning mobility rights.
00:31:44.860 This is what has come under attack during the lockdowns.
00:31:47.280 Every citizen has the right to enter, remain, and leave Canada.
00:31:50.520 And to move and take up residence in every province and pursue the gaining of a livelihood in any province.
00:31:57.220 Again, this has been violated by interprovincial lockdowns, right?
00:32:00.600 Legal rights.
00:32:01.360 Let's scroll down here.
00:32:03.200 Life, liberty, security of the person.
00:32:04.720 The right not to be deprived of the right, accepted in accordance with principles of fundamental justice.
00:32:08.360 That means you can't just spring.
00:32:11.380 Everyone has the right to be secured against unreasonable search and seizure.
00:32:13.980 So when a cop says, show me your vaccine exemption, your mask exemption, yeah, you and what army, boss?
00:32:25.140 Because my legal rights said you need a warrant.
00:32:29.120 Number 9, everyone has the right not to be arbitrarily detained or imprisoned.
00:32:32.460 Well, that was violated, too, in these COVID hotels, wasn't it?
00:32:34.900 These COVID jails at airports.
00:32:37.440 You're arbitrarily thrown in jail for three days, plus you have to pay for it.
00:32:40.780 Number 10, the right to be promptly informed of the reasons for being arrested, to have a case that's just habeas corpus, really.
00:32:50.500 Number 11, informed without a reasonable delay of the offense, tried within a reasonable time.
00:32:57.180 11B, we've got fight the fines cases that are coming up on 18 months old, and they have not been tried yet.
00:33:04.000 That's why I believe they'll be thrown out on mass.
00:33:05.700 Keep scrolling.
00:33:06.420 It's always good to read these.
00:33:07.880 I've read this 100 times.
00:33:10.780 The right to not be denied reasonable bail without just cause.
00:33:14.920 That applies to the Christian pastors, including James Coates, who was in prison for 35 days.
00:33:19.620 Really?
00:33:20.300 Really?
00:33:21.520 Is that reasonable?
00:33:24.760 Scroll down.
00:33:25.960 Number 12, the right not to be subjected to any cruel and unusual treatment or punishment.
00:33:30.200 Well, we saw that in that clip I showed you on Monday of a judge saying, hey, criminal, I'm going to have you under a five-year probation unless you agree to be injected with this experimental vaccine, in which case I'll let you go after one year.
00:33:44.000 We saw that in action, didn't we?
00:33:45.500 And I'll stop there.
00:33:51.380 So that's your job description.
00:33:52.960 If you're wondering what the boss of a civil liberties association does, that's the answer, isn't it?
00:33:59.560 That's your job description.
00:34:01.340 If you didn't know what to do, you'd read this charter of rights, or just read section two, really, to ABC and D.
00:34:09.900 And now go and fight for those.
00:34:13.860 And freedom of religion is in section 2A.
00:34:18.320 Right?
00:34:19.400 Conscience, thought, belief, religion, I think that was all 2A.
00:34:25.440 Now look at what Harsha Walia actually said.
00:34:28.840 She was responding to Vice saying, two more Catholic churches have been torched.
00:34:34.360 And she says, burn it all down.
00:34:36.900 Burn it all down.
00:34:39.900 That's the state of civil liberties in Canada in 2021.
00:34:46.100 She is supposed to be defending churches.
00:34:51.840 Now you defend any church or mosque or temple or whatever, regardless of ethnicity.
00:34:57.040 But in this case, you've got indigenous churches that serve Indian people.
00:35:03.660 And she's cheering for them to be burnt down.
00:35:06.100 And why shouldn't she?
00:35:11.300 Because look at what Gerald Butts said.
00:35:14.380 Gerald Butts, as you know, Justin Trudeau's right-hand man.
00:35:18.360 Since college, those two communist globalists, since college have been buddies.
00:35:25.800 And again, this was on Twitter.
00:35:28.060 Some journalist was talking about torching churches.
00:35:31.100 And Gerald Butts, do you have that?
00:35:33.260 Gerald Butts chimes in.
00:35:36.380 Someone said, well, it's a terrible thing.
00:35:40.160 Two wrongs don't make it right.
00:35:42.900 Stop burning down churches.
00:35:44.480 So you see Terry Glavin says.
00:35:45.860 Terry says, add some Da Vinci Code vibe, humanoid, reptilian, etc.
00:35:58.800 It's just some BS and you got yourself.
00:36:00.800 It's just really weird.
00:36:02.100 So forget that first tweet.
00:36:04.140 And then Jerry Butts says, or a post-media column.
00:36:06.320 And Terry says, so Jerry, defending the burning churches is cool crowd?
00:36:12.300 And Gerald Butts says, no, Terry, it is not.
00:36:16.480 Though it may be understandable.
00:36:19.960 Hey, guys.
00:36:21.460 It's not cool to burn churches.
00:36:24.900 But it's understandable.
00:36:26.920 Really.
00:36:28.900 So you can see where Justin Trudeau gets it from.
00:36:33.660 There's no one more privileged in Canada than Gerald Butts, other than Justin Trudeau.
00:36:38.080 So they're going to say, guys, come on.
00:36:42.680 It's not cool, but it's understandable.
00:36:45.040 Could you imagine if a mosque was attacked in the same way?
00:36:52.700 And someone said, I agree, but I also understand how people could believe otherwise.
00:37:01.080 I take it that kind of behavior is common in white Congo.
00:37:04.400 Yes, Jerry.
00:37:05.140 And like, it's just like Gerald Butts just doesn't care.
00:37:07.680 Why would he care?
00:37:08.540 Let's go down a bit more.
00:37:11.320 Look, buddy.
00:37:13.500 I'm not going to break the Crash Davis rule and will ignore the personal insult.
00:37:18.440 But I was an altar boy in a small Atlantic Canadian parish in the early 1980s.
00:37:22.960 I can understand why someone would want to burn down a church, though I do not condone it.
00:37:28.000 This guy just won't stop.
00:37:30.300 He's just, and why should he?
00:37:32.280 Because there's never been any penalty to pay for anti-Christian, anti-Catholic bigotry in Canada.
00:37:38.920 Could you imagine him saying those exact same things about a mosque?
00:37:44.960 Look, I don't condone burning down the mosque, but I understand it.
00:37:48.920 It is a mosque.
00:37:50.600 Look, it's not cool.
00:37:53.820 Guys, and no one's more cool than Gerald Butts.
00:37:57.700 Guys, it's not cool to burn down a Muslim mosque.
00:38:02.300 Okay.
00:38:03.380 It's not cool, guys.
00:38:05.240 Not cool.
00:38:06.560 But it is understandable.
00:38:07.980 Can you imagine him saying that about a Muslim mosque being torched or vandalized?
00:38:13.040 And not just one.
00:38:16.500 I'm talking about 20.
00:38:19.340 Guys, it's understandable.
00:38:21.000 I understand it.
00:38:22.360 What?
00:38:22.620 What's wrong with you?
00:38:23.280 You're too stupid to understand it?
00:38:25.220 I mean, it's not cool.
00:38:27.660 And by the way, I have the right to say this because 40 years ago, I did something as an altar boy,
00:38:34.200 and I hate it.
00:38:35.560 So it's understandable.
00:38:37.360 Burn it all down.
00:38:38.780 Listen, if the right-hand man to Justin Trudeau can say it, why can't the Civil Liberties boss in B.C. say it?
00:38:46.600 This is the state we're in.
00:38:47.900 Well, let's talk to an actual Aboriginal person who actually goes to an Aboriginal church.
00:38:53.400 So not the settlers, Harsha Walia or Gerald Butts, but let's talk to an Indigenous woman
00:38:58.500 who happens to go to church, an Indigenous church, and here's what she has to say.
00:39:05.240 My name is Jessie Allen.
00:39:06.560 I'm a Sixty Scoop survivor and the daughter of a residential school survivor.
00:39:10.660 We're here basically to ask people to basically quit burning down churches.
00:39:15.260 We're concerned about the burning and defacing of churches, bringing more strife, depression,
00:39:19.500 and anxiety to those already in pain and mourning.
00:39:22.600 Former survivors of Canada's residential schools are triggered by the sight of burning
00:39:26.820 and defaced churches.
00:39:28.520 It also brings up former traumatic feelings of violence and threats to their lives.
00:39:32.320 This is also putting further division between Canada's Indigenous people and the rest of Canadian society.
00:39:37.840 Some residential school survivors have remained Catholic and now have lost their place of worship and comfort.
00:39:44.280 These hostile acts are spreading into the Anglin church.
00:39:47.320 Figures of the explorers are being destroyed, as well as street ministers in the downtown east side
00:39:51.660 have been verbally attacked, almost assaulted because they're Christians.
00:39:54.820 This is not our native way.
00:39:57.080 We do not hate people.
00:39:58.640 We do not spread hate.
00:40:00.780 We love people.
00:40:01.640 We do not destroy other people's places of religion.
00:40:05.180 We're asking for people who are setting these fires to stop now.
00:40:08.400 We understand some people believe that they're standing in solidarity with us Indigenous people
00:40:12.540 as we find more graves across Canada.
00:40:15.800 Burning down churches is not in solidarity with us Indigenous people.
00:40:18.960 As I said, we do not destroy people's places of worship.
00:40:22.940 If you want to stand in solidarity with us, greet us and mourn with us.
00:40:27.840 Stand and mourn with us in our grief as our children's bodies are being recovered.
00:40:32.480 We ask for Canada for their support during this time.
00:40:36.700 Violence begets violence.
00:40:38.600 So we're asking people who are laying churches on fires to stop.
00:40:41.800 Not every denomination in Canada was involved with the residential schools.
00:40:45.980 And so these fires are now spreading into other churches, such as, well, right now the Angolan
00:40:52.460 Church is actually being firebombed.
00:40:54.140 And yes, they were involved with the residential schools, but they also apologized.
00:40:58.920 We can see this getting much worse and worse.
00:41:01.800 And what's going to happen is if this keeps up, whoever is doing this, you're going to
00:41:07.200 wake up a very ugly, evil spirit in this country.
00:41:10.000 And it's going to spread across this country.
00:41:12.180 And it's going to destroy it.
00:41:13.560 So right now, once again, we ask people to stop burning down churches.
00:41:20.400 Who are you?
00:41:22.020 You're just some Aboriginal woman, daughter of residential school survivors.
00:41:29.360 Who are you to tell Gerald Butts that he's not understandable, that he shouldn't be so
00:41:33.980 understanding of arson?
00:41:36.080 Who are you?
00:41:37.740 What's your standing?
00:41:39.040 How dare you try and talk back to Harsha Walia, who says, burn it all down?
00:41:46.720 Who are you other than someone who actually goes to church there?
00:41:50.840 That would be like in the analogy we talked about 45 minutes ago, a black-owned business
00:41:56.600 in a black part of town saying, hey, please stop burning my shop.
00:42:00.580 And some white liberal saying, it's understandable, though.
00:42:05.240 You know, it's not cool.
00:42:06.640 But guys, I understand it.
00:42:12.080 Yeah.
00:42:13.580 Pretty bad.
00:42:14.380 I want to, we only have about 15 minutes left.
00:42:20.400 I want to talk a couple of things about lockdowns.
00:42:24.560 Can you go to Google and just type in Alice Springs?
00:42:29.920 It's a town in Australia.
00:42:31.120 Just show me where it is.
00:42:32.400 I think it's in the middle of the country.
00:42:34.660 I've never been there.
00:42:35.600 I've been to Australia before, but I haven't been to Alice Springs.
00:42:37.840 I think it's pretty much right in the middle of the country, in the outback.
00:42:44.020 That's my guess.
00:42:46.820 And then really pull out.
00:42:48.580 Like, I just want to see where this is in the country.
00:42:51.200 Am I right when I say it's in the middle of the country?
00:42:56.260 It's like dead center in the country.
00:42:58.160 I was right.
00:42:59.760 That's Alice Springs.
00:43:02.120 It's almost, maybe it is geometrically in the middle of the country.
00:43:05.740 You can't get more center than that.
00:43:08.640 That's the outback.
00:43:10.420 It's, I think it's bigger than the Sahara Desert.
00:43:13.520 I don't know if it's bigger, but it's, like, it is huge.
00:43:17.960 And I don't know if it's because it's sort of isolated.
00:43:22.440 There's not a ton of, like, like, people live on the coast there.
00:43:25.340 You got your Sydney on the coast.
00:43:27.680 You got, like, right in the heart of the country.
00:43:30.720 It's not very populated.
00:43:32.400 Not a lot of people from Sydney are going to go to Alice Springs.
00:43:35.600 It would be like Inovic in Canada.
00:43:38.340 And I think probably to do with the climate there also, I, if I'm not mistaken, there has not been a single case of coronavirus in Alice Springs.
00:43:53.200 I think there, I think there hasn't been one case.
00:43:56.740 Can you believe that?
00:43:57.940 Like, not even a case.
00:43:58.820 I'm not talking about a death or a hospitalization.
00:44:01.340 I just think no one there ever got it.
00:44:03.040 Or if they got it, they didn't even know.
00:44:05.040 Because a lot of people who get coronavirus, it's not serious.
00:44:12.560 Sometimes they don't even know.
00:44:13.500 Remember that PGA guy?
00:44:15.180 That golfer who was winning a game.
00:44:17.780 And they came up to him, tap, tap, tap.
00:44:19.280 Hey, boss, you got the Rona.
00:44:20.680 You got to get off the course now.
00:44:23.180 So I want to show you a little bit of Avi Amini's video.
00:44:26.500 So there's this guy in Alice Springs.
00:44:32.200 And he's drinking a to-go cup of coffee, right?
00:44:36.360 So you can't drink coffee with a mask on, right?
00:44:40.420 And literally there is no place in the world where you have to wear a mask when you're drinking coffee, right?
00:44:46.600 Like, you know that, right?
00:44:49.540 Apparently the cops in Alice Springs don't know that.
00:44:52.380 Take a look at this.
00:44:56.500 So, I'm just drinking my coffee.
00:45:00.940 And these officers have started following me.
00:45:07.480 And harassing me.
00:45:16.820 What's your name and badge, mate?
00:45:19.620 Aboriginal Community Police Officer Liam Presley.
00:45:22.200 Yep.
00:45:22.760 7415.
00:45:24.220 What's your name?
00:45:25.380 Which one?
00:45:25.760 What's your name and badge number?
00:45:27.080 What's your name?
00:45:28.140 I don't have to-
00:45:28.860 You're a peace officer.
00:45:30.620 You're a servant of the people.
00:45:33.740 I'm not being rude here.
00:45:35.180 I'm not risking anything.
00:45:36.660 Okay, listen.
00:45:37.480 I need you to listen to me.
00:45:38.540 Okay.
00:45:39.000 Okay, so there's a pandemic going on.
00:45:42.300 This is a very vulnerable community.
00:45:44.320 There's lots of sick people.
00:45:45.780 I need you to provide your name and you will reason for it.
00:45:48.420 I do not have to provide my name because I have not committed a defense.
00:45:54.380 So, so you are committing an offense.
00:45:56.160 I have not committed a defense.
00:45:57.740 I need you to wear a mask.
00:46:00.000 I'm drinking a coffee.
00:46:02.680 I do not have to wear a mask while I'm drinking a coffee.
00:46:05.640 Okay, listen.
00:46:06.980 Thank you.
00:46:07.520 Okay, if you do not provide your name and a mask, you will be arrested, all right?
00:46:15.300 You're threatening me.
00:46:17.840 Oh, don't be arrested.
00:46:18.580 I'm being assaulted by three officers.
00:46:39.360 I was drinking a coffee.
00:46:42.740 I'm allowed to drink a coffee.
00:46:45.320 I'm being assaulted by three officers.
00:46:47.980 What's your name?
00:46:49.380 My name's Hayden Williams.
00:46:51.040 Thanks, Hayden.
00:46:51.460 And I was basically pushed into the back of the paddy wagon and they drove me to the watch
00:46:56.460 house and locked me up.
00:46:57.660 How long were you locked up for?
00:47:00.020 About 20, 25 minutes.
00:47:01.960 And you were released, but you were released with a fine.
00:47:07.380 Is that right?
00:47:08.920 Yes, I was.
00:47:09.820 Yeah, it was a $5,000 fine for not wearing a mask during a lockdown.
00:47:15.000 They just gave me a piece of card and just wrote a number on it and $5,050.
00:47:22.280 Can you afford that $5,000 charge?
00:47:25.200 Absolutely not.
00:47:26.100 I'm a freelance artist and my work was shut down due to lockdown.
00:47:32.340 So yeah, basically I've got no income and plus they're trying to fine me $5,000.
00:47:38.520 Well, mate, don't worry about it.
00:47:40.860 You don't have to pay that $5,000 right now.
00:47:43.540 We're not going to pay it either.
00:47:44.920 We're going to crowdfund and fight it.
00:47:46.580 The community is going to get behind you.
00:47:48.000 People are going to donate at fightthefines.com.au.
00:47:50.200 I'm going to pay for the lawyers that are already on the case.
00:47:52.260 Over the weekend, we started the process.
00:47:55.240 You're actually going up bush today.
00:47:57.920 So they'll be working while you're away to either have this matter dropped or we're going
00:48:05.460 to fight this all the way with the help of the community around Australia and around the
00:48:10.460 world.
00:48:11.900 What would you like to say to everyone that's going to donate to help make sure that this
00:48:16.420 is corrected sooner rather than later?
00:48:20.100 Yeah, I just wanted to say, yeah, I really appreciate your help.
00:48:23.820 I'm grateful for your support.
00:48:26.540 And let's stand up together.
00:48:29.080 Let's stand up against the tyranny that's taking place.
00:48:32.580 He was issued an over $5,000 fine for what is clear.
00:48:38.640 You can see the video.
00:48:39.740 Everyone's seen the video now.
00:48:41.200 He's drinking coffee.
00:48:42.440 The implications to me is far reaching.
00:48:45.280 That means that if you're outside and you're having a sip of your water, you can be slapped
00:48:51.340 with a, well, taken down, arrested, and then slapped with a $5,000 fine.
00:48:58.880 It's crazy.
00:49:00.200 It certainly is.
00:49:01.240 I mean, the implication is that it's not a reasonable excuse for you to be drinking anything
00:49:04.680 outside at the moment under these lockdown conditions.
00:49:07.140 Even if you were in the course of essential exercise or shopping or anything like that,
00:49:11.600 potentially you could be slapped with a fine of $5,056 under the Northern Territory directions
00:49:17.760 for these sort of Public Health Act violations.
00:49:22.520 Now, if that's the implication, it means that you couldn't drink water, you can't drink coffee,
00:49:26.160 you can't drink juice, you can't drink anything else.
00:49:28.020 The police could come and just snatch you off the street for that purpose, give you a fine,
00:49:31.980 and then direct you to go straight back home.
00:49:34.740 Now, the absurdity of that is obviously inherent.
00:49:38.220 It doesn't make a great deal of sense.
00:49:41.100 You know, there's not a, I can't see any scientific reason why they would be doing that.
00:49:46.680 And legally, it's just a waste of police resources.
00:49:49.540 Why are they snatching people who are drinking coffees,
00:49:52.120 who are actually doing a service to the community by going out and supporting their local businesses
00:49:56.780 at a time of lockdown?
00:49:58.740 You know, why would the police be going and snatching those people?
00:50:01.180 It's just another absurdity of lockdown.
00:50:03.700 Well, we know we have you guys on the case, and so quickly, so Hayden is in good hands.
00:50:09.360 We want to thank you on behalf of everyone that's going to contribute to paying these legal fees.
00:50:13.500 Thank you so much, again, for everything you do, and in this case,
00:50:17.520 specifically for fighting for Hayden, and for all those around the country
00:50:21.740 who dare drink coffee during lockdown.
00:50:25.200 You know, we're taking Hayden's instructions.
00:50:27.500 We're hoping to have this matter taken care of very quickly by the Northern Territory Police.
00:50:32.120 We believe this is a very straightforward matter.
00:50:35.120 We don't think that this should be too problematic.
00:50:37.280 We think that they've overstepped it on this one and that they've been too overzealous.
00:50:40.880 Our hope is that we can get this sorted out for Hayden very quickly,
00:50:43.440 and we're really grateful, obviously, for the fight-to-find sort of community
00:50:47.980 helping us to be able to actually do this for people like Hayden,
00:50:51.440 who are being victimised in a very senseless manner in these sorts of times.
00:50:56.440 We agree with you.
00:50:57.460 We hope it is turned around really quickly and justice is served immediately.
00:51:03.320 But even if it isn't, just like all the fight-to-find cases that we have,
00:51:06.880 I know that the fight-to-find community that you speak of will be happy to ensure
00:51:13.300 that this is seen all the way through.
00:51:15.060 So thank you again, Cameron.
00:51:16.900 It's my pleasure as always, Avi.
00:51:21.660 A lot to say about that.
00:51:23.060 First of all, those are pretty...
00:51:26.060 How many cops were there, four or five?
00:51:28.120 And they seemed like they were ready to take on a gang or something.
00:51:31.640 I think they were wearing bulletproof vests.
00:51:33.700 Like, I wouldn't say they were armed like SWAT,
00:51:35.800 but that was some heavy policing there.
00:51:38.240 And Hayden was just like, I don't think he was doing anything.
00:51:41.480 Like, it looked like they were stalking him for a while.
00:51:43.420 I think, right?
00:51:45.640 Like, they were following him around.
00:51:47.960 And, I mean, sometimes the people we see,
00:51:51.360 they're provocateurs, you know, they're protesters.
00:51:55.660 They're pushy or whatever.
00:51:58.620 This guy, I think this guy was just walking with his coffee.
00:52:01.640 And I just think this is so stupid.
00:52:10.100 Now, you're right, Justin.
00:52:12.000 Justin mentioned in my ear that there have been a few cases
00:52:14.980 in the Northern Territory, which is this vast area.
00:52:18.600 But it's absurd.
00:52:21.000 And there's nothing scientific about it.
00:52:22.780 And I've seen that Cameron lawyer before.
00:52:28.640 He was the lawyer for that Australian woman who was on the train,
00:52:32.540 having exemption.
00:52:33.620 The cops didn't know what to do.
00:52:34.660 They panicked, grabbed her bag, took her bag off the train,
00:52:38.060 which forced the woman to get, like, just crazy.
00:52:40.280 Same lawyer.
00:52:41.020 He knows his stuff.
00:52:41.840 I would just say to our Australian viewers,
00:52:45.140 what Cameron said in the last video is,
00:52:47.800 if a cop asks you your name,
00:52:49.340 you actually have to tell him your name.
00:52:52.660 That's a rule in Australia, apparently.
00:52:54.460 Now, they have to warn you that not saying the name is an offense.
00:52:57.660 But that's what I learned from Cameron last time.
00:53:00.900 But that, so if a cop says, what's your name?
00:53:04.620 You don't have to immediately say it.
00:53:06.660 But if it's an offense not to answer, you do have to say your name.
00:53:10.640 You don't have to show an ID.
00:53:11.680 You have to say your name and address.
00:53:13.100 And that's just an Australian rule from what Cameron says.
00:53:16.420 But that doesn't excuse anything that the cops did before and after him,
00:53:19.720 including that lady cop not saying her name.
00:53:22.680 And the absurd arrest.
00:53:24.100 And I don't think, that card, what's that?
00:53:25.980 Like, it looked like a little, you know, gift certificate for,
00:53:28.900 oh, sorry, we were out of muffins today.
00:53:31.040 Come back for a free muffin or something.
00:53:32.720 Like, that little card, it's just like, it's so goofy.
00:53:37.740 I am certain that we're going to win that case.
00:53:40.380 Avi is so good at these cases.
00:53:44.500 And that law firm, Cameron and his partner, Manny, they are so good.
00:53:50.540 I mean, we have a lot of great lawyers.
00:53:52.100 But in Australia, I think we have a perfect record down there.
00:53:56.160 They're just doing such a great job.
00:53:58.580 Anyways, I'm just very pleased that we're helping that guy because it's so stupid.
00:54:05.040 And when that video was playing, I was just Googling the Northern Territory.
00:54:08.720 It's a huge area.
00:54:09.980 It's like, well, I think in some ways it's comparable to our Northwest Territories.
00:54:15.380 It's just so large and such a small population.
00:54:19.440 Yeah.
00:54:21.840 You know, it's a very big country.
00:54:24.920 I flew from Sydney to Melbourne.
00:54:28.940 Like, that's not a, like, it's, and by the way, sometimes people think,
00:54:33.300 oh, Australia, New Zealand, super close.
00:54:35.280 That's hours of flying.
00:54:36.920 Like, zoom out for a bit.
00:54:38.820 Like, it is such, like, that is, like, you think, okay, Australia, New Zealand's right there.
00:54:43.580 It's not right there.
00:54:45.700 It's like that.
00:54:46.780 It, it looks that way because there's nothing else.
00:54:50.280 But flying from Sydney, which is on the East Coast, to New Zealand.
00:54:56.500 I'm just Googling that right now.
00:55:01.300 How long is the flight from Sydney to New Zealand?
00:55:03.780 It's three hours.