DAVID MENZIES | Chris Sky storms out of interview
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In this episode of the anti-lockdown crusader Chris Guy's latest visit to the Supreme Court of Canada, David and Chris discuss the kerfuffle that took place on the lawns of the Court of Ontario's Supreme Court, and the events surrounding it.
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we have always given you a platform we when we see allegations made i'm giving you in all fairness
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time to respond to those and i did and you keep trying to and you keep trying to push the narrative
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that i'm a denier and trying to push everything well six million jews were murdered is the biggest
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lie created in the history that is why would you say that because six million people did not die
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in the holocaust if six million many did then we have no idea of knowing from page news back in may
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let me ask you point blank did you ever say that did you ever say that you wanted to kill
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any politician no you're literally feeding every narrative that they're using to attack me right
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now and you're playing into it so david i think i'm going to cut this interview with this and i
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don't think i'm going to be talking to rebel news anymore really seriously yeah well okay well you
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know bro if you were trying to give me a chance to refute it you wouldn't affect going into all the
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ways that i was wrong you think i'm stupid like you're treating me like i'm a idiot david and i
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actually had respect for you until today now i don't how did i say well it's been a frantic few
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months for anti-lockdown crusader chris guy a man who is either beloved or hated depending on who you
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talk to in any event there is so much to unpack when it comes to chris's recent cross canada speaking
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trip so without further ado let's get a much needed update how are you doing chris i'm fantastic
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absolutely well you're looking very healthy so glad to see you now i think i like i said there's so much
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to unpack here um why don't we begin with the last time i saw you namely last week dominion day in
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ottawa on the lawns of the supreme court um there was a kerfuffle that i was unaware of at the time
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because i was interviewing uh maxine bernier the leader of the people's party of canada and literally
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in the background i see uh in the footage that we captured some scuffling happening as i understand it
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um you were supposed to speak at this event but others had other ideas what happened that day well
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their narrative is that i was never invited to speak at the event i just showed up with my big ego and
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decided to crash their event and take the speaking spots away from the poor nurses and other people
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who had speaking spots and i was this big bad villain and they're just trying to save everybody
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from me and try to save the movement for me because i'm going to destroy the whole anti-lockdown movement
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now when you say reality when you say they just they is randy hillier the ppc all the politicians
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all the politicians that are secretly trying to hijack the freedom movement and turn it into a failed and
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irrelevant political campaign they don't want me to speak because my message is united non-compliance
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it is and always has been it's the same thing gone to used to beat oppressive governments you simply
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get the entire population together for a common good cause and for in this case it's take off your
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mask open your business and that's it and the pandemic's over and you don't need a politician for
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that you don't need an election for that and that's exactly why they didn't want me speaking
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because they want you to need them if you don't need them if you don't give them your money and
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your support they don't have a job they don't even exist and so they're trying to hijack this freedom
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movement no more lockdowns is randy hillier's uh whatever organization they were throwing the event
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in conjunction with a place called liberty coalition kelly ann wolf contacted them on my behalf
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to verify that i would be able to speak there after i got notification from my lawyer that i was legally
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allowed to they emailed back from the official no lockdown no more lockdowns email stating yes
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chris is allowed to speak at the supreme court and i showed you that i told you i couldn't give it to
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you and i'm not going to show it to anybody until two peters but i did show you that it exists so you
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can confirm that i had an email stating that i was allowed to speak at the supreme court you saw it
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i saw something i mean in this day and age of uh shenanigans online who knows but but chris the
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bigger excuse me i'm gonna i'm gonna die back there did i not show you an email yes that said
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chris was allowed to speak at the supreme court you did okay that's all i want to say but i'm just
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not one of those technical uh fair persons that can verify well it will be there it'll be verified
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because i will be giving the exact documents so the reality is but chris if i may interrupt go ahead
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i find this a little sad and i'll tell you why whether you're mr hillier mr bernier pastor
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hildebrandt yourself others you're all you all should be on the same page you you are all about
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opening up the economy no we're not that's the problem we're not on the same page no they're on the
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page where they want to turn the freedom movement which is simply people getting up off their ass
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doing what they need to do to end this like take off their mask and open their business and they
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want them to sit on their couch throw their money and their votes towards these politicians
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wait for an election and then wait hopefully for their guy to win and then let that guy be the one
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to tell them what to do that's the politicians thing and that's why they used me they invited me
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to speak the same day i got the email that said i could speak a flyer went out with my name on it
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they said it was on an unofficial flyer and it was i have a time-stamped email and i have time-stamped
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showing when the flyer was posted and the flyer was created and posted after we got email
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confirmation saying i was allowed to speak and then i promoted it on every single platform possible
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so i brought a huge number of the people there so what do we have we have the politicians telling
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me i can come speak we have me promoting the hell out of their event and me driving five hours to get
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there and show up for the event then as soon as i got there i walked up to the stage and i politely asked
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what time i would be speaking at because i was trying to coordinate a phone call with somebody in a
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different country who wanted to record the event and one of the ppc members went up to me and said
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oh well we and i said who's we and he declined to tell me who we was we had an internal risk
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assessment and we decided it wasn't in our best interests to allow you to speak so instead we're
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going to give you time at the end to do a shout out and then you can tell everybody to go to
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parliament hill and you can speak there parliament hill wasn't in everyone wearing orange and anti
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candidate event so obviously i didn't want to speak there obviously they knew i didn't want to
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speak there so they basically invited me used me to promote their event and then set me up to
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basically be cast aside so they could take my entire support base and transfer it from the freedom
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movement into their own personal political campaign and then and then because i'm who i am and i fight
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for freedom i fight for truth i fight for justice i fight for honor and i'm not going to let anybody take
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advantage of me i stood up for myself and said you guys are the people's party right so why don't we
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let the people decide if i should be allowed to speak and i said let me ask the people they said no
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so the people's party didn't even want to allow me to ask the people for their opinion so i said guess
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what now you don't have a choice i'm going to take that megaphone i'm going to walk up on the supreme
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court steps i'm going to ask the audience if they want me to speak and when everybody says yes
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i'm going to take over your event and then everyone's going to know you tried to silence me
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and that's exactly what i did chris uh you said it yourself the e word ego as a neutral observer
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that's kind of the vibe i'm getting i think we are witnessing in the anti-lockdown movement perhaps
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a clash of egos it was ever thus when you have so many people vying to be the leader the spokesman
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what have you this is what happens with that but i mean is that really what we're seeing what
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we're seeing anti-lockdown movement what we're seeing now is that i'm starting to believe that
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you might be part of this control opposition because you're trying to push their narrative
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and you're trying to pretend like the truth doesn't matter it has nothing to do with ego
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if somebody if i invited excuse me if i invited you to speak somewhere if i invited you to speak
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somewhere that's an allegation because i'm saying what you just said if i invited you to speak
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somewhere i have documented evidence and then you got there and i tried to tell you you weren't going
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to speak and you stood up for yourself because that's what's right and that's what's true
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am i going to say that that's your ego talking or i'm going to say you're just somebody who's
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standing up for what's right well first of all it was just my observation and i can that's an
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observation people can control that's an observation that's an observation people can
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make without having the facts i just gave you the facts i even showed you the evidence and you
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still brought up the exact same narrative that every single opposition person has been saying
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trying to push the ego they push the ego thing and you just pushed it after we got documented
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evidence and i just laid out exactly what happened so i i don't know now well um let's move on from
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july 1st of course from page news back in may there there's the chris guy story and the massacre chris
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guy allegedly threatened to kill ontario leader than all other premiers chris that that was a bombshell
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story uh the man making the allegations rob carbone and that's and that's the only evidence they have
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by the way allegations from somebody so that's the equivalent of me calling the police right now and
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saying dave menzies wants to kill doug ford well first of all let me ask you point blank did you
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ever say that did you ever say that you wanted to kill any politician no okay so now the other part of
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this is you know uh rob carbone who he and you were buddy buddy for so many months i can tell you
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exactly what happened with rob carbone in about five seconds and clear everything up rob carbone
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presented himself as canada's donald trump he came across he presented himself with someone that
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had international banking ties he had me putting contact with banking people around the world he
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presented me with these bank bonds that on face value when checked out appeared to be real even
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when verified by multiple uh multiple agencies that verify these kind of things however when it came down
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to the actual paperwork for these things nobody could verify the paperwork so they were obviously
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fraudulent in some way because they could not be used that was just part of the problem rob
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lied about virtually everything he tried to hire a campaign team to register the republican party
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and after about five weeks of working with these people they came to me and they confessed none of
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them had been paying a dollar then his website i said he hadn't been paid then his merch guy told me
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he hadn't been paid then i saw the notification that he hadn't even paid his friggin rent this is a
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supposed billionaire that's going to run the country and save the country and he scammed a multiple
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people for money and then when i found out that he committed fraud and i had actual evidence of a
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retiree wire transferring fifteen thousand dollars to rob carbone from his why from his thing to rob's
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thing and all the correspondence of rob coercing this man to do so for an investment that doesn't
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even exist i came to rob and said rob not only did you not pay anybody that you were supposed to pay
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now i find out you can't pay your rent and you're taking people's money for investments that don't
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exist that's called fraud so so i'm not going to get in trouble for you i'm going to have to report
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this and then within two days rob called the police and said oh my god chris is threatening
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to kill me chris is threatening to kill doug ford and everybody else come get him quick and his
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allegations and the story of course is that you wanted money from him oh yeah off the taps and
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turned off the taps yeah he can't even pay his rent he turned off the taps good luck buddy and i have a
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billionaire but i'm renting a condo okay anyway guys who exactly is rob carbone then chris i mean
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you know there are allegations he's a liar and a fraud and i'm pretty sure easily and i would say
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he's an informant with the police and i'll say that because of the way i was arrested because the way i
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was arrested they lie in the media and say they came to my house and that uh i jumped in a car and
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ran ran away from them and tried to run police officers over that's the allegations that they put in
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all these newspapers that i saw reality check reality was i was driving to the gym i was on keel
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street heading westbound from king road on a normal public road driving normally when a completely
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innocuous gray sedan completely unmarked completely unidentified drove by me on the left-hand side
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nobody identified themselves there was no markings on the vehicle or the occupants in the car
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and when they passed me they got in front of me and they slammed on their brakes and as soon as
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they slammed on their brakes i had to actually stop in the middle of the road on keel street heading
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westbound and as soon as i stopped in the middle of the road two men not wearing uniforms in black
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masks covering their face with guns drawn in their hands start running at my car like it's a colombian
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drug cartel kidnapping and i'm somebody that gets death threats virtually every single day so what
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would you or anybody with a brain in this situation do and what they acknowledge i did i put my truck in
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reverse created a safe amount of distance put it in drive and drove around the two unidentified
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assailants to get away that's what i did all of a sudden that got turned into i tried to run over a
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police officer or assault with a deadly weapon on police out everything here is politically motivated
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it was timed to coincide with my i was supposed to leave the next day for a tour and to launch my book
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in canton in vancouver and coincidentally i get arrested the very night before and they put all
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these conditions on me to try to prevent me i can't drive i can't fly i had to be with my bail surety
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they got a warrant to go to my house and take all my legally owned firearms all based on the hearsay
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of somebody making a phone call to the police and saying i said something chris uh switching gears
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again moving on to the weird world of social media and i have to bring this up because it's a thing
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we even get questions why do you give chris guy the time of day given that he is a holocaust denier and
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i am not a holocaust denier i have been to the concentration camps how many of you so-called
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holocaust proponents have actually gone to germany spent hours on a train hours more on a bus and then
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hours more exploring saxon housing concentration camp i saw where they kept the jewish people i saw
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where they kept the non-jewish people the only thing i've said about the holocaust is when they tell
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you six million people died they that's a biblical reference and it's about fulfilling a prophecy for
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the jews to come home to their homeland and they've used that reference multiple times in media well
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before world war ii going back all the way to the early 1900s so that is not holocaust denial and the
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only other thing i said about world war ii that people try to criticize is yes we know jews people
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were persecuted we know they were killed and it's horrible but so were 30 million other people during
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world war ii so we need to remember everybody and when i said we need to remember everybody
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they're like oh my god you're a holocaust denier it's like when someone says all lives matter and
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then someone screams oh that means you mean black lives don't matter no that's not what it means at
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all so anyway that's complete bull well chris because the internet is forever i mean some of those posts
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from years ago have been republished here's one uh quote six million jews were murdered is the
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biggest lie created in the history of fake jew history end quote that is why would you say that
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because six million people did not die in the holocaust if six million many did then we have no idea of
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knowing but for them to claim an exact number when it's completely impossible of knowing it's completely
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impossible of knowing and there's lots of there's lots of different references like the world almanac
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that show the population before and after when israel was created between 1946 and 1948 with all the
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stuff that was going on millions of jewish people habitated to there so six million people didn't
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just die they relocated so when they say six million people like i said it's making reference to their
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biblical prophecy that says once six million of us perish we will get our homeland back so that's why they
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chose the number of six million because it's written in their book there is no way of knowing how many
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people died in world war ii for someone to go and say 32 million people died in world war ii that's
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complete hogwash so for someone to be able to go and say especially in concentration camps that this
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many people died a specific number that's complete hogwash there's no way of knowing how many people died
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well i would do we know they were persecuted i would just one million percent that's indisputable
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do we know they killed a very large number of people probably in the millions yes do we know
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that they killed six million on the dot or six million that number no and nobody can prove that
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and that's what i am saying well chris have you ever reached out to yad vashem the holocaust
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remembrance center in jerusalem who has done incredible decades worth of research i mean i've been there
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several times uh i remember a curator once saying when they had the original number it was 18 million
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and then they wanted to be bulletproof so they went through the records over and over and sometimes
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people were double triple uh counted and they whittled it down to six million now if you had an
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agenda to make the holocaust look worse you would have gone with the 18 million okay but so have you
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ever reached out to the experts in the field okay so the experts first said there were 18 million and
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then the experts then said there were six million so were they right when they said they wanted to be
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bulletproof oh so they wanted to so now because they said they're really really sure that means
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they're 100 the first it was 18 million that's triple the number now they're really sure that
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it was six million does that mean they're 100 sure explain excuse me some people were counted three or
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four times that's wonderful so does that mean that they missed any more that could have been double
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counted or some people that were counted that weren't really dead does that mean that the six
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million number that they came up with is 100 can you tell me can we contact them right now and
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they're going to say the six million number is 100 or will they say it's an estimation will they say
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it's our best estimate well you know uh chris it's i asked you a question will they say it's
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a hundred percent or will they say it's an estimation when their previous estimation was
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18 million they believe this is the most accurate figure okay they believe they believe they believe
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so it's not a figure it's something that they're literally making up like i said and they're saying
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this is our best guess but but a guess is still a guess a guess is still something you made up so
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when you quote me and say the you're denying the experts the experts themselves are telling you
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this is a number that we're making up based on the information we have available based on the
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information we had available we thought it was 18 million now we're guessing it's six million so
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that's all i'm saying it's doing decades and decades worth of research that's wonderful
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you can say whatever you want regardless you admitted that it's their best guess well i didn't say
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guess i their best belief sorry a belief is still a guess well i i think based on decades worth of
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scholarly and now i'm 100 sure that you guys have changed your stripes because this started about an
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interview about anti-lockdown and it turned into let's assassinate the character of chris sky and try
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to make the jewish community not like him when i have very high support from the jewish community
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because some of my best friends are jewish no no i know exactly what's going on now david and now i know
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i didn't get contact with rebel news for a couple months and now i also know why you guys got
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demonetized off of youtube and you lost all your income yet somehow you started hiring all these
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new people and somehow your station keeps growing and now when i go on your feeds on twitter and stuff
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it reads more like a mainstream media platform instead of the rebel news of old well you guys
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are starting to disappoint me david no chris listen we and i hope you don't edit this out to make it look
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at to make it uh to try to make this actually uh this attack on me and my organization it's not an
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attack it's just an observation if i may speak if i may speak um we have always given you a platform
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we when we see allegations made i'm giving you in all fairness time to respond to those and i did and
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you keep trying to and you keep trying to push the narrative that i'm a denier and trying to push
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everything you even tried to push the narrative that it didn't matter that they lied about ottawa
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you tried to pretend like i didn't show you an email you said oh it could have been anything
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you're literally feeding every narrative that they're using to attack me right now
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and you're playing into it so david i think i'm going to cut this interview at this and i don't
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think i'm going to be talking to rebel news anymore really seriously yeah well have a nice day david
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okay well you know what can i say folks we were trying to give uh chris an opportunity to refute some
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of these allegations um some of these social media media postings that have been made by him
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and um i guess he didn't want to uh pursue that i had many more questions and many more directions to
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go on this i'm sorry that uh chris has taken such a stance as this but maybe with the passage of time
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uh he will come back we'll see yeah you guys just got motto and now you guys have to do certain
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things like trying to make you look sad it's okay though have a nice day
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sorry you guys probably won't be seeing me anymore because it's not worth it i thought it was important
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to address this because we receive um feedback from viewers saying how do you give a holocaust denier
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a platform and i just wanted to find out what his side of the story was but uh i guess i'm off
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chris guy's christmas card list it's too bad because i had a lot more questions to ask him
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and the thing is we're not on anyone's team as a journalistic organization we're kind of like the
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umpire folks behind home plate we're calling balls and strikes and um listen just like a ref calling
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offside when you see something that is offside um you gotta raise it especially since it has been
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raised in the popular media and um he could have had a i was giving an opportunity to refute that or
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maybe to have a different opinion on this but chris chose to leave so there you have it unfortunate
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especially in concentration caps that this many people the Nazis were pretty methodical they did
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oh yeah i was trying to make them say that Nazis were great record speakers i felt that because
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we are generally sympathetic to him we would be a good forum for him to say oh that thing i wrote
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years ago well i was just a hothead or i was stupid but i just watched the tape of you having an
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argue-bargue with him and he he sort of doubled down and then he stormed out what do you make of
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that whole thing yeah i like you ezra i i like chris um he's larger than life uh he's he's almost a
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cartoon figure i say that in a good way um he's great on camera and what the situation we're in
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is we've had emails i've had emails personally sent to me saying how can you give a holocaust denier
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a platform how can you not even have the gonads to address these odious views and you know what
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they're right the if the you know first of all i wanted to find out if he was the author of these
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posts he doesn't deny it secondly like you i was hoping to hear you know what uh i was on a rant uh
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i i it was late at night and i was knee-breathed what what what have you um but no he was doubling
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down on it and and and i mean when you look at you know the words in his own words uh ezra you
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know six million being the biggest lie in the history of fake jewish history what does that even
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mean who's writing the fake yeah and i didn't understand what he was saying about the jews
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in their book and six million i don't know what book that is i mean i don't read all the jewish books
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but i don't know what that is you know what i think let me tell you what i think happened when you
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know one of the things i like the best about chris sky and one of the reasons he's been so successful
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is he's so stubborn he does not be pushed back and that stubbornness which is probably
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other than his it's a form of audacity so just like he won't wear a mask no matter what just like he
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won't go to a quarantine hotel no matter what just like he won't you know social distance no matter
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what because he has such a sense of personal resolve when you ask him these questions and i
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saw you ask them you put them in the gentlest way you could put such spicy comments by him i think that
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pricked that part of his brain that says push back don't give an inch yeah no i agree and i mean there
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were other comments we never got to them of course because he left but um you know comments that could
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be looked upon as being anti-black anti-muslim anti-gay and um and and maybe uh his opinion has
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changed you know in uh four or five six years however old these posts are as well but you know
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what's important i think our role here we're not cheerleaders uh for anybody we're kind of like the
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umpire behind home plate we're calling balls and strikes if it's a hockey analogy where the linesman
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saying on side off side and sometimes you know i really didn't want to raise this because i like
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chris guy so much but it's a piece of ugliness i think look i'm not jewish myself but i i think um
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you know what he said uh would be deeply offensive uh to the jewish community and it and and it wasn't
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the only thing and by the way as an important thing this was not a gotcha moment several weeks ago i had
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a phone conversation must have been over 20 minutes on this very subject who you were talking
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about absolutely and we also talked about the alleged death threats he's made to um doug ford
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and other premiers this is on the basis of rob carbone nothing has been proven in a court of law
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chris of course denies it but there were so many things to unpack over the last couple months
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and when he said your first sit down with him in a while yeah i mean i would have interviewed him
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in ottawa but after his speech he literally ran for the hills because uh he thought he was about
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to be arrested by the ottawa police i think one of the reasons why people trust rebel news
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so very deeply and to answer chris guy's comment about the money our funding is 80 crowdfunding you
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know that that's the only way we survive is our trust that's right the reason people trust us
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is because i mean doug ford sat in this very chair here oh yeah doug ford spoke at our rebel live
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conference a few years ago people trust us because when doug ford goes off course we criticize him
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jason kenny and i were we're very close friends back in the day but i have to be honest with my
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viewers and say he's doing things that are very wrong and i would criticize him if it was rachel
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notley the reason people trust us i believe david and you in particular you're very authentic
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is because we call it like we see we follow the facts where they lead we tell the other side of the
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story and i like chris sky i don't like what he said on those social media posts i think it was
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stupid i actually don't think he's a racist in his bones maybe he is deep in his heart i don't know
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we gave him a chance to deal with these in a non-gotcha way you are the friendliest journalist
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in canada towards him there's no two ways about it well you know and ezra on the let me just close
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by saying yes our job is not to be his cheerleader our job is to tell the story but we're not
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his we're not like in the you know those motorcycles that have a little jump seat we're
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not the little buddy in the jump seat chris sky will likely remain a newsmaker and i'm sure you
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will continue to cover it he may not even like that but so what we cover people who don't like
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us all the time 100 and one thing if chris guy is watching this uh all i have to say is uh my door
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is open uh you can email me phone me um you know it maybe there's some kind of reconciliation
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here um but uh it's too bad he stormed away i had so many other important questions to ask about the
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lockdowns in general but all i was trying to do as you said was not to ambush chris guy because we had
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talked about this on the phone but to give him a platform to you know clear the air to and
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unfortunately didn't go so well you know when some you lose i have a terrible joke that i sometimes tell
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my wife which is i apologize once a year whether i need to or not and uh the joke of course being
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of course we do things that that are much more frequently than once a year and and it's not in
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chris guy's nature to ever admit defeat or that he did something wrong that's why he's such a good
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fighter but i think on these stupid internet holocaust comments they were so dumb and he's digging in
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on them as if it's a enormous point of principle to save them i don't even think he i don't know if
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he means it i don't know what's in his heart but i think it was a stupid thing for him to storm out
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of here on i think you're right he should have reconciled i'm going to continue to watch his
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antics because he's such an interesting newsmaker i agree well he said he's off to sudbury uh so i'll
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we'll see how that goes and yet it's another i guess cautionary tale isn't it ezra the old saying
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the internet is forever you might post things that have gone back years and years that you've
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even forgotten about but your enemies out there will search those up will use your words to discredit
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you if they get the chance i i know how you feel about twitter well let me let me close with one
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thought here and and again i'm trying to i'm doing too much amateur psychoanalysis why was chris so mad
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it's not because this was an ambush you've talked to him about it before it's not because you were
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unfair you you put the questions gently uh partly it's because he's a stubborn guy which is what we
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like about him but i think the reason why chris guy stormed out of here is because he deeply loves
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your reporting and rebel news because we have been his most um uh frequent and fair journalists
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and so i think he feels like he has a breach with us on this issue and i think that causes him some
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pain because he has loved uh the fact that we've reported on him so in in a in a strange way you
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know the opposite of um love isn't it the opposite of love isn't hate the opposite of love is complete
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coldness i actually don't think he's a jew hater i just don't think he is you know that's good enough
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for me and i never called him that i know you didn't i just i just don't think he is okay but
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he just won't he just won't say i don't know that's a stupid thing yeah what a shame all right i'll
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let go because you're great journalism here i'll get out of the way thank you that's right
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