Rebel News Podcast - August 03, 2018


Doug Ford's plan to streamline Toronto City Council is… “racist”?


Episode Stats

Length

34 minutes

Words per Minute

165.00316

Word Count

5,753

Sentence Count

347

Misogynist Sentences

14

Hate Speech Sentences

9


Summary

In light of Doug Ford cutting the size of Toronto City Council by almost half, the outcry from soon-to-be unemployed career politicians and their useful idiots in the media came fast and curious. The over-the-top pronouncements included accusations that Ford s move was undemocratic, that it was a thinly-veiled personal vendetta against Mayor John Tory, that there was no consultation, that the changes were being done way, way too fast. Meanwhile, the NDP leader Andrea Horwath played the backroom deals and hidden agenda cards which she almost always does these days.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Tonight, Doug Ford's plan to streamline Toronto City Council is finally being called racist.
00:00:07.400 Gee, what took them so long?
00:00:09.480 It's August 2nd, I'm David Menzies and this is the Ezra Levent Show.
00:00:19.000 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:00:22.880 There's 8,500 customers here and you won't give them an answer.
00:00:26.480 You come here once a year with a sign and you feel morally superior.
00:00:30.000 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.
00:00:39.820 In light of the Doug Ford PCs cutting the size of Toronto City Council by almost half,
00:00:45.800 the outcry from soon-to-be unemployed career politicians and their useful idiots in the media came fast and curious.
00:00:54.000 The over-the-top pronouncements included accusations that Ford's move was undemocratic,
00:01:00.380 that it was a thinly-veiled personal vendetta against Mayor John Tory,
00:01:04.600 that there was no consultation, that the changes were being done way, way too fast.
00:01:10.940 Meanwhile, NDP leader Andrea Horwath played the backroom deals and hidden agenda cards,
00:01:16.880 which she almost always does these days.
00:01:18.860 And hey, it's getting really, really old, Andrea.
00:01:21.900 But when I initially addressed the council-cutting issue in this space a few days ago,
00:01:26.760 I joked that at least Ford wasn't being labeled a racist by this move,
00:01:31.140 because when it comes to things the loony left doesn't like,
00:01:34.700 well, the race card is their trump card, and they usually play that card from the get-go.
00:01:40.280 But folks, me thinks I joked too soon, because yesterday in that periodical paragon of progressiveness,
00:01:47.680 the Toronto Star ran a column entitled,
00:01:51.220 Ford's attack on Toronto is an attack on urban diversity.
00:01:55.420 This wondrous piece of fish wrap is penned by Mariana Valverde,
00:02:00.260 who is, of course, a professor at the University of Toronto specializing in urban governance and law.
00:02:07.200 And as the saying goes, that column would have been twice as good if only it had been half as long.
00:02:13.640 But I'll cut to the chase.
00:02:14.980 Valverde suggests that because there's fewer council seats up for grabs,
00:02:19.600 that means there are, of course, fewer opportunities for persons of colour to get elected.
00:02:25.860 Therefore, I guess smaller government is racist government?
00:02:30.220 One particular excerpt stands out regarding the protests that took place at City Hall last Friday
00:02:35.280 by the usual suspects.
00:02:37.620 Valverde states,
00:02:39.140 One impressive speaker was Osma Malik,
00:02:42.280 who in a streetcar would be just another Torontonian,
00:02:45.980 but who would stand out on council because she wears a hijab.
00:02:50.060 Several black Torontonians with experience addressing violence and poverty
00:02:54.280 are also running for council, such as Waleed Kogali.
00:02:58.960 He also spoke, end quote.
00:03:00.440 Well, good golly, where does one even start?
00:03:05.300 Valverde seems to be suggesting that in the case of Osma Malik,
00:03:09.260 she should be embraced by diversity-loving Torontonians,
00:03:12.760 not necessarily for her policies,
00:03:14.920 but because she proudly wears the hijab.
00:03:18.780 Wow, I can just imagine what an election sign for this candidate might state,
00:03:23.640 vote for Malik, or at least vote for her diverse Islamic headgear.
00:03:28.580 And hey, surely this is not the same Osma Malik who has a very checkered past, is it?
00:03:36.260 Such as her being involved in the rigging of a student council election
00:03:40.440 when she attended the University of Toronto,
00:03:43.480 and how she spearheaded a fundraising drive for the families of the Toronto 18 terrorists,
00:03:50.140 and how in 2006 she labeled Israel's actions against the terrorist group Hezbollah
00:03:56.300 as, quote, state-sanctioned murder, end quote.
00:03:59.980 Oh, but come on, folks, pay no attention to that Sharia suffragette behind the curtain
00:04:04.600 because, well, because Malik wears a hijab.
00:04:09.880 That makes her diverse.
00:04:12.480 And if y'all got a problem with that, then you're obviously a racist.
00:04:16.020 And if the name of the second individual Valverde mentions rings a bell,
00:04:21.020 Waleed Kogali, that's because he's one of the founders of that racist collection of agitators
00:04:26.780 known as Black Lives Matter Toronto.
00:04:29.780 He's also the brother of another Black Lives Matter Toronto head honcho,
00:04:34.340 Usra Kogali.
00:04:35.780 You might remember Usra's infamous tweet from a while back when she stated the following,
00:04:40.180 quote, please, Allah, give me strength not to cuss, kill these men and white folks out here today.
00:04:46.560 Please, please, please, end quote.
00:04:49.040 Usra never apologized for this racist rant, and instead of condemning her,
00:04:53.160 Black Lives Matter shamefully rushed to her defense.
00:04:56.360 But in addition to hating white folk, Black Lives Matter Toronto hates the police,
00:05:01.820 regardless of the cop's racial background.
00:05:03.820 In fact, BLM was instrumental in getting the police punted from the gay pride parade
00:05:09.580 and getting the cops kicked out of Toronto schools at risk.
00:05:13.760 They also had a hand in ending carting by police,
00:05:16.860 which might be one of the reasons why Toronto is experiencing another awful summer of the gun right now.
00:05:23.200 But as I said, I'm not surprised the left called Doug Ford's changes to Toronto Council
00:05:28.620 and attack on urban diversity to show how insane the left are when it comes to race.
00:05:35.020 Do you recall the story last month about Michael Tobolo?
00:05:38.640 Tobolo is the newly minted community safety and correctional services minister,
00:05:42.980 and he went for a late night ride along with police in the tough neighborhood of Jane and Finch.
00:05:48.660 As per protocol, he wore a bulletproof vest,
00:05:51.940 and he mentioned this anecdote at Queen's Park.
00:05:54.740 Well, cue the outrage.
00:05:57.400 NDP leader Horath actually said,
00:05:59.760 quote,
00:06:00.340 The comments he made in this house are nothing but racist.
00:06:03.980 They stigmatize the Jane Finch community, end quote.
00:06:08.080 Yeah, so in the eyes of the official leader of the opposition,
00:06:11.120 bulletproof vests are racist?
00:06:14.100 And now we are led to believe that trimming city council is really an attack on diversity?
00:06:20.880 Really?
00:06:21.340 Is that truly the new narrative of the left,
00:06:24.400 that the race of a candidate is more important than the substance of a candidate?
00:06:29.880 If so, talk about racism 101.
00:06:32.940 In the final analysis, hopefully the progressives will come to understand
00:06:36.760 that the vast majority of normal people are currently suffering from outrage fatigue,
00:06:42.920 meaning that the left's constant accusations of racism
00:06:46.420 is now becoming so much ambient noise that people are simply tuning out.
00:06:51.880 Because at the end of the day, if everything is racist,
00:06:55.560 then nothing is racist.
00:06:57.980 Gee, I wonder if in the mind of a leftist,
00:07:00.960 that merely stating this truism makes me a racist.
00:07:05.420 Well, these are very interesting times indeed at Toronto City Hall.
00:07:25.980 Just last week, Ontario Premier Doug Ford decided to cut the size of city council
00:07:30.480 by almost half.
00:07:32.440 And oh, the cries of outrage from the usual suspects.
00:07:35.980 They reverberated throughout the mean streets of Hogtown.
00:07:39.400 But that's not the case with my next guest,
00:07:41.760 Giorgio Mamaliti, the councillor for Ward 7,
00:07:44.380 actually welcomes the changes.
00:07:46.500 And speaking of change, if re-elected,
00:07:49.160 he has a bold new plan to bring about relief
00:07:51.960 to the troubled neighbourhood of Jane Finch.
00:07:54.960 Welcome to the Ezreal Event Show, Giorgio.
00:07:56.740 Thank you so much for having me in.
00:07:58.720 And it's going to be Ward 7 and Ward 8 after this election.
00:08:03.060 Oh, that's right, because they're amalgamating it.
00:08:05.540 That's right.
00:08:06.140 Now, Giorgio, I think it would be, to a lot of viewers out there,
00:08:09.200 somewhat counterintuitive that anyone on council, including yourself,
00:08:13.400 would support a reduction of almost 50% of council seats.
00:08:16.980 But you actually do support Premier Ford's move.
00:08:20.640 Yeah, I think it's wonderful.
00:08:22.280 I mean, if you were here right now, I'd give him a big hug.
00:08:24.620 Because at the end of the day, he's doing the right thing.
00:08:29.000 He's feeling the public out.
00:08:30.140 It's what they want.
00:08:31.180 It's saving taxpayers' dollars, not only on the council floor,
00:08:34.700 but also within the bureaucracy itself,
00:08:36.620 because we have less reports.
00:08:37.960 We drive the bureaucrats nuts with reports and that sort of thing.
00:08:41.680 So I think it's a good thing.
00:08:43.100 It's going to save a ton of money in the end, in the long run.
00:08:45.980 And we get to make decisions faster and better.
00:08:48.940 And you know what I like about this move the best, David?
00:08:50.940 The suburbs finally get represented.
00:08:55.100 Yes.
00:08:55.640 And I've been harping on this, and people have been laughing at me for so long.
00:09:00.380 But finally, we're going to have a say.
00:09:02.740 And those long-awaited transfer payments for little things like getting our parks cleaned
00:09:08.040 and grass cut and that sort of thing are finally going to make their way up to the suburbs.
00:09:12.260 Indeed.
00:09:12.460 Now, Giorgio, what do you make of the outcry by the usual suspects on the left,
00:09:17.120 that this was undemocratic, there was no consultation,
00:09:20.900 this was never talked about during Doug Ford's election campaign,
00:09:25.280 and I'm sure there's some other things.
00:09:27.980 Oh, yes, of course, a personal vendetta against Mayor Tory,
00:09:31.500 who Doug Ford ran against four years ago.
00:09:33.640 Does any of that hold water?
00:09:35.240 Hogwash.
00:09:36.380 First of all, Doug, his brother, myself, a whole slew of us have been talking about this for years.
00:09:43.060 And even before they came onto the picture, guys like me after amalgamation were saying the same thing.
00:09:48.100 It's too big.
00:09:48.840 We need to cut ourselves in half because it's unmanageable.
00:09:51.520 We can't keep doing this to the taxpayer.
00:09:53.760 And so it got heard with the Fords, for sure, well before this.
00:09:59.700 And it's been an ongoing conversation in elections.
00:10:01.940 It's been an ongoing conversation outside of elections.
00:10:04.960 So it's not a surprise to anybody.
00:10:07.100 The people that are complaining are the same people, and I might add,
00:10:10.960 a bunch of lefty New Democrats, socialists, communists, whatever you want to call them.
00:10:15.340 They're the ones that didn't have a problem cutting the police budget,
00:10:20.100 and police, the police by 800 officers, did they?
00:10:23.720 They didn't have that problem when they voted in cutting out those jobs
00:10:27.740 or cutting out some of those manufacturing jobs
00:10:30.780 because they didn't like what people manufacture, right?
00:10:33.560 They didn't hear the plight of all those families when they came to council.
00:10:36.860 They voted against those jobs.
00:10:38.580 All of a sudden, their jobs are in jeopardy, and now we're hearing a cry from them.
00:10:42.700 So this is really about the NDP power base of downtown Toronto being eroded.
00:10:46.940 And one of the latest developments at the 11th hour, you had the former city planner,
00:10:52.760 Jennifer Kiesmat, a darling of the left, throw her hat into the ring.
00:10:57.060 I heard they courted Mike Layton and even David Miller to be a challenge.
00:11:02.840 What do you think of her arrival into the mayoralty race, Georgiou?
00:11:07.500 And do you think, I'm thinking Mayor Tory must be feeling backstabbed right now
00:11:12.320 because he has caved to almost every left-wing demand on council these last four years,
00:11:18.220 and now he's thrown under the bus.
00:11:20.060 So what are your observations?
00:11:21.380 Well, he didn't listen to me to a large degree because I told him right from the start,
00:11:24.420 you're conservative, don't cater to a lot of things.
00:11:27.000 And he did it, I think, for primarily political reasons.
00:11:29.540 I think we can all read through that, that kind of thing.
00:11:32.320 And now he's stuck because he has catered to them,
00:11:36.520 anticipating that there's going to be another 47 councillors on the council floor.
00:11:42.060 And I think this is going to benefit him because now he might be able to become his real self,
00:11:47.120 that right-leaning guy, that center right-leaning guy that he always has been.
00:11:51.040 I told him the other day, I think this is actually good for him.
00:11:53.480 He's going to have more powers as the mayor.
00:11:56.140 He'll be able to perhaps talk a little more about what he wants to do in the next term.
00:12:00.500 And if he plays his cards right, he needs just a few people to support him.
00:12:04.640 He'll get his agenda through.
00:12:05.780 It's better for him.
00:12:06.860 And I know we're an eternity away in political timelines,
00:12:11.060 Giorgio, from October 22nd, Election Day.
00:12:13.340 But what do you see shaking down in terms of the mayoralty race?
00:12:17.220 I mean, we have Keyes, Matt, who is, you know, admittedly a serious contender.
00:12:23.860 Blaine Lastman as well.
00:12:25.060 I'm not sure what his political CV is all about.
00:12:27.640 But, I mean, how do you see it playing out?
00:12:29.500 Well, it's between the two of them.
00:12:31.080 And I believe that.
00:12:31.700 Keyes, Matt, and Torrey.
00:12:32.460 Left versus right.
00:12:33.020 And Torrey's got to come out with his real self, I think, in this election.
00:12:37.940 And there is no red carpet for Keyes, Matt, in the suburbs.
00:12:42.360 And so I need to make that really clear, that a guy like me is not going to be supporting a very left-leaning individual,
00:12:50.120 who, by the way, was very instrumental in bringing this whole city through this congestion that we've been with the bicycle lanes
00:12:58.740 and that whole array of mismanagement on bike lanes and how we're putting them everywhere, right?
00:13:06.700 And the King Street Pilot Project and banning cars, right?
00:13:09.140 All of it.
00:13:09.680 Even the shift on subways and LRTs, you know, it has a lot to do with her when she was at the helm.
00:13:16.880 So I know what she's about.
00:13:18.740 She's not good for us.
00:13:20.620 Good-looking lady, for sure.
00:13:22.980 And Torrey's a good-looking man.
00:13:24.780 But at the end of the day, we're not going to vote for people that are good-looking, are we?
00:13:29.720 If that were the case, I'd be the mayor today.
00:13:31.800 I'm glad in the Me Too era you're not playing any favorites, Giorgio.
00:13:34.680 At the end of the day, look at their platform and look what they stand for.
00:13:38.560 They're not going to be good.
00:13:39.660 At least she's not going to be good for the suburbs, in my opinion.
00:13:43.520 And now, speaking of the suburbs, if we can call Jane Finch suburbs, you know, as I said in the beginning,
00:13:50.000 Giorgio, you have a vision for this community.
00:13:53.460 I mean, my heart breaks when I think of Jane Finch.
00:13:55.480 There's a disproportionate amount of crime there.
00:13:57.840 You had Minister Tabolo two weeks ago do a ride-along in a police cruiser in the wee hours of the night.
00:14:05.020 He was actually condemned as a racist by Andrea Horwath, the leader of the provincial NDP,
00:14:11.340 and for stigmatizing a community.
00:14:14.280 And yet this is a guy at 1 in the morning that was visiting a known crack house.
00:14:17.920 He's reacting to a problem. God forbid.
00:14:20.380 You know, so a couple of things.
00:14:22.280 I know you have a plan you want to talk to about Jane Finch,
00:14:25.280 but what do you make, Giorgio, of this tone that everything is through a lens of racism,
00:14:31.120 even a minister wearing a bulletproof vest for a ride-along, for goodness sake?
00:14:35.520 First of all, he's reacting to an issue,
00:14:37.820 which is one of the largest issues we've had in the city for a long time.
00:14:41.040 And those are the gangbangers in the city that aren't afraid of anybody
00:14:44.140 and are going to kill people on the streets and anybody else around them.
00:14:47.600 So he was reacting to that.
00:14:50.500 And the policy, take it from a guy who's gone on those rides for 28 years,
00:14:55.140 they will not let you go on these midnight runs,
00:14:58.440 these two o'clock runs to see the worst parts of the city unless you wear that vest.
00:15:03.440 Or even the good parts of the city.
00:15:04.240 You're not going to be able to go.
00:15:05.400 Isn't that true?
00:15:05.720 Right?
00:15:05.920 So, well, you know, even Mayor Tory said, well, I never wore a vest.
00:15:10.380 Well, yeah, but you don't need to wear a vest if you're going to go with some traffic cops, right?
00:15:14.300 Like, you know, to look at the congestion or the problems with traffic.
00:15:17.760 You are going to need a vest if you're going to go to 2 o'clock in the morning
00:15:20.480 and look at some of the crack houses and how they're the part of the problem in TCHC.
00:15:25.780 And TCHC, for those outside of Toronto, that's Toronto Community Housing Corporation.
00:15:30.100 And, of course, this is taxpayer-subsidized social housing that, in addition to people that need this assistance,
00:15:38.640 Giorgio, and I don't think anyone is begrudging that, it is factual that there are thugs,
00:15:45.660 there are drug dealers, gangbangers living here, and they're shaking down residents there,
00:15:49.820 most of them being seniors.
00:15:51.920 And yet, why can't we kick these thugs out of taxpayer-funded subsidized housing?
00:15:57.540 We attempted, through the mayor, Mayor Tory, just a couple of years ago, actually,
00:16:04.160 to try and get to the Wynn government to change the legislation to allow TCHC to be able to evict
00:16:09.860 problem tenants.
00:16:11.180 Yes.
00:16:11.840 They said no.
00:16:13.200 They said they're not going to do it.
00:16:14.740 And so what we've learned, which is factual...
00:16:16.840 And what was the ostensible policy reason on that?
00:16:18.340 That's what I don't understand.
00:16:19.120 I'm going to get to that, because 1%, now, first of all, let me say it this way.
00:16:24.200 4% of TCHC tenants make up the population of Toronto.
00:16:28.740 Okay.
00:16:29.060 They're in every part of the city of Toronto, these units.
00:16:33.620 1% of their population are a big problem to not only the residents in TCHC, but the much
00:16:42.680 larger communities.
00:16:43.780 What I say by that is they're harboring, literally, all of these killers.
00:16:50.480 They're harboring the drug dealers.
00:16:53.320 They know they are, and they can't do anything about it, because the courts won't let them
00:16:57.840 evict.
00:16:58.500 They call it the last place for these people to go.
00:17:01.360 So if they evict, there's nowhere else for these people to go.
00:17:05.400 I see it like spraying down a building full of cockroaches.
00:17:10.840 The cockroaches are just going to scatter, right?
00:17:13.420 So start evicting them.
00:17:14.700 Yes.
00:17:14.860 Let them scatter, because their particular strength is when they're all together in a
00:17:20.800 community like Jane and Finch.
00:17:22.180 Yeah.
00:17:22.440 So my approach is going to be scatter them, evict them, get them out of Jane and Finch
00:17:27.040 completely.
00:17:28.080 And I also have a further one, David.
00:17:29.740 I think we need to knock the buildings down completely and build into a mix.
00:17:34.200 It's not fair to those residents to be segregated.
00:17:37.620 They have been for the last 60 years.
00:17:40.620 It's no wonder our little kids in those communities are growing up angry and killing people.
00:17:45.260 We need them to mingle with the rest of society.
00:17:48.480 So I want to knock down all of the social housing in Jane and Finch, put a plan in place.
00:17:54.260 And by the way, I've already done it.
00:17:56.000 I'm the guy who came up with the affordable housing plan at City Toronto that started the
00:17:59.800 Regent Park movement.
00:18:00.680 Right, which is considered a great success, where it was a similar, you know, maybe you
00:18:06.820 call it ghettoized area of the city.
00:18:08.480 But it was raised, and now it's a mixed housing development.
00:18:12.800 And it's bringing the private sector.
00:18:14.240 So the private sector helped us build it.
00:18:17.140 TCHC became a developer, but it was a good mix, changing the community.
00:18:21.340 I'm doing it right now at Furgrove.
00:18:23.220 We've already knocked down half of the units of Furgrove.
00:18:25.380 Okay, and the residents in the back, those rate payers that have always had concerns about
00:18:29.460 the crime that comes out of the social problems, are saying, you've gotten rid of a lot of
00:18:35.700 our problems here now.
00:18:36.720 So I want to do it with Driftwood.
00:18:38.300 I want to do it on Shepard Avenue.
00:18:40.560 I want to do it on the Islington Corps, where we just got a number of shootings lately.
00:18:45.920 You know, Duncan Woods, Satterley, all those little pockets.
00:18:49.680 I want to knock them down, rebuild them as a mix, and get rid of the problem once and for
00:18:54.500 all by being able to evict these bad people.
00:18:57.120 Well, Giorgio, we're almost at a racetrack.
00:18:59.640 I'll give you the last word.
00:19:00.800 You've got an election slogan, I understand, that you're going to be using.
00:19:03.820 Oh, gosh.
00:19:04.480 I've always kept it real.
00:19:06.360 Always.
00:19:06.980 And that's gotten me into trouble, because sometimes when you keep things real, people
00:19:10.920 don't want to hear it.
00:19:12.000 This election is going to be about keeping it real.
00:19:14.540 And that's what I plan on using.
00:19:17.380 Well, Giorgio, thank you so much for dropping by the Ezra Levent show.
00:19:20.180 And there you have it, folks.
00:19:21.200 Listen, the province went right in June.
00:19:25.120 Maybe in October, the city of Toronto is going to take a right-hand turn.
00:19:30.460 Time will tell.
00:19:31.860 Keep it here.
00:19:32.460 More of the Ezra Levent show to come right after this.
00:19:34.700 Earlier today, Ontario Attorney General Carolyn Marooney and Environment Minister Rod Phillips
00:19:51.860 made it official.
00:19:53.380 They have urged the Trudeau Liberals to completely back off on implementing any sort of carbon tax.
00:19:59.820 And if Ottawa doesn't reverse course, they vow that the province of Ontario will fight
00:20:05.300 this cash grab in a court of law.
00:20:08.100 Now, yesterday, I spoke with Ian Lee, a professor at the Sprott School of Business at Carleton
00:20:12.900 University in Ottawa, regarding those supposedly new and improved changes to the federal carbon
00:20:19.000 tax, changes that are clearly not winning over any of the detractors.
00:20:24.940 Here's our conversation.
00:20:26.460 Welcome to the Ezra Levent show, my friend.
00:20:28.360 Good afternoon.
00:20:30.840 Now, Professor Lee, for starters, can you tell us what's so radically different about this
00:20:36.580 new carbon tax scheme and whether or not it is likely to win over any of the detractors
00:20:41.800 out there?
00:20:43.240 Right.
00:20:43.880 I mean, what they're doing today is, in one sense, it's very momentous.
00:20:48.580 It's very important because it represents, I wouldn't say a full-fledged repudiation of
00:20:57.600 their signature issue, the environment that they campaigned on.
00:21:01.940 But it certainly is a major rollback in terms of the commitments that they made.
00:21:08.500 I'll get to whether this is good or not to preempt myself if this is a good thing, I'm going
00:21:13.740 to argue, but I'm just dealing with what they did today.
00:21:17.520 They are walking back on the issue on which they backed the farm.
00:21:23.120 The issue that they said was the defining issue of this government when they are this party,
00:21:29.520 when they ran to form the next government in 2015.
00:21:33.740 And, of course, they became the government.
00:21:37.340 And why it was so critical then and now was that this government and Mr. Trudeau and the
00:21:43.620 other leaders, his supporters, many of whom became, or a number of them became cabinet ministers,
00:21:51.280 said that they were evidence-based and that they were going to, you know, not rule by emotion
00:21:56.300 or rule by the seat of the pants.
00:21:58.120 They were going to be evidence-based.
00:21:59.160 And yet, they didn't subject it, in my view, to serious empirical econometric scrutiny.
00:22:07.860 And, in fact, just to point this out and get this out there, the Minister of the Environment
00:22:12.860 repeatedly said for the past two years, not only was a carbon tax not going to hurt the
00:22:19.860 economy, it was going to be good for the economy.
00:22:22.160 It was going to be good, not just for the environment, she said.
00:22:24.520 It was going to help firms and help them be even more competitive.
00:22:30.000 And she said this over and over.
00:22:32.540 Over the last two years, as more and more people studied it, as companies came forward
00:22:37.520 with their own analysis showing the negative impact of this on their own company's balance
00:22:43.700 sheet and income and success.
00:22:46.140 And I would suggest to you, after Finance Canada, the bureaucrats crunched the numbers,
00:22:52.380 it became increasingly clear that Catherine McKenna, the Minister of the Environment, was
00:22:56.920 simply wrong, that it was going to be deleterious.
00:23:00.280 It was going to be damaging to the environment, principally because our major competitor, the
00:23:07.880 United States of America, has categorically said repeatedly they are not going to do a carbon
00:23:13.360 tax.
00:23:13.720 So, just to quickly summarize, this is a huge walk back on their, I think, their most important
00:23:20.500 issue, their signature issue of the environment.
00:23:24.440 And it's good for us because it has had such a negative impact.
00:23:30.460 But you are right, because they didn't roll it back to zero, because they're not shutting
00:23:34.940 it down, they're just mitigating it.
00:23:37.740 They're making it less aggressive so that the impact on big emitters is not as significant.
00:23:45.440 They're walking back on the carbon tax.
00:23:48.020 But as I said, they're not cancelling the carbon tax.
00:23:51.660 And Professor Lee, I mean, that begs the question, why not just put this dog out of its misery?
00:23:58.860 I mean, especially when you have Saskatchewan, they're going to challenge us in court.
00:24:02.100 Premier Doug Ford, he ran his entire campaign.
00:24:06.820 That was one of the things, first and foremost, we will go to court against the federal government
00:24:12.480 in terms of a carbon tax because Ontario is, or at least was, a manufacturing province.
00:24:19.420 And to have something uncompetitive as a carbon tax placed on manufacturers that are still
00:24:25.460 in this province simply does not compute.
00:24:28.440 So wouldn't there be, I don't know, wouldn't there be more, I guess, sympathy or understanding
00:24:34.200 if the liberals just came clean and said, you know what, we've crunched the numbers.
00:24:38.760 It doesn't make sense.
00:24:40.280 We are withdrawing this.
00:24:41.720 I am in a rational sense.
00:24:45.700 I agree with you completely that that would be the optimal solution.
00:24:51.720 But there's two points I want to make on this.
00:24:54.140 The first is, is I think that because they committed so deeply, it became existential for
00:24:59.200 them.
00:24:59.520 They're very inner being.
00:25:01.220 You know, this is who we are.
00:25:03.340 We're going to be different from everybody else.
00:25:05.480 We're going to save the planet.
00:25:06.860 We're going to save the environment.
00:25:07.980 And I think that they invested so deeply in terms of their own interior values and their
00:25:17.060 own commitment, not to mention the political commitment that they have decided that either
00:25:23.860 they're not willing to do it from a value, you know, their own values point of view, or
00:25:29.120 more likely they think that the damage would be too great politically.
00:25:33.600 But, you know, David, the thing I want to bring out, because I realize there's not a lot of
00:25:38.260 academics who criticize carbon tax.
00:25:40.320 I'm one of them.
00:25:41.120 Jack Mintz is.
00:25:42.180 And not because I don't understand the logic of carbon tax.
00:25:44.420 Of course, I do.
00:25:45.060 Of course, Jack Mintz does make something more expensive.
00:25:47.580 You use less of it.
00:25:48.860 But what they don't tell you in this ongoing debate is that there's a couple of hidden
00:25:53.560 assumptions or caveats that they never reveal.
00:25:56.000 And one of them is this is that there is an alternative or a substitute source that is
00:26:01.840 cheaper than the fossil fuel source called natural gas or oil.
00:26:05.960 And the dark and dirty secret that they will not disclose is that natural gas is the cheapest
00:26:11.360 source of energy in North America per kilowatt hour.
00:26:15.340 That's not some opinion.
00:26:17.580 The Department of Energy in the United States produces a chart once a year pricing all the
00:26:24.160 energy sources and they factor in and crunch all the numbers in terms of the cost of each
00:26:29.280 energy source, nuclear, geothermal, wind, solar, coal, natural gas, and they convert it into
00:26:34.980 a cost per kilowatt hour.
00:26:37.140 Solar and wind are still not close to natural gas.
00:26:42.100 And so as a consequence, we are not switching en masse in Canada or the States to alternative
00:26:48.880 energies because they're still uncompetitive.
00:26:52.520 And that's why oil and natural gas still dominate.
00:26:56.920 In fact, the world at about 80 percent, they provide about 80 percent of all the energy.
00:27:02.400 So this was always a pipe dream.
00:27:04.720 What I'm trying to say is that what they were saying is we're going to change Canada.
00:27:08.640 We're going to get us all off of natural gas and oil was not credible in an evidence based
00:27:15.720 world because the substitutes, meaning alternative energies using wind and solar, are still not
00:27:22.660 economically competitive with natural gas and oil.
00:27:26.280 That's why we continue to use it.
00:27:28.280 And the second final point I want to make, David, is they never they always bring up European
00:27:32.440 countries with high densities.
00:27:34.400 Canada is the second largest country on the planet Earth, and we are the second coldest country
00:27:40.860 in the world, we consume more energy and produce more GHG because not because we squander or
00:27:49.660 are wasteful, but because we're the second largest country with the lowest density in the world,
00:27:55.640 four people per square kilometer versus Europe with 250 to 500 people per square kilometer.
00:28:01.640 So my point is their whole vision was based on, call it green ideology, almost a green religion.
00:28:09.320 It wasn't evidence based in the sense that we could cause large numbers of Canadians to switch
00:28:16.480 almost all of their energy and used in Canada from natural gas and oil to two alternatives.
00:28:23.240 So it was a pipe dream from the from the very beginning.
00:28:26.200 Indeed.
00:28:26.420 And from what you're saying, Professor Lee, like two things come to mind.
00:28:29.460 First, I I'm with the camp that looks upon this as just really so much virtue signaling
00:28:36.720 at the expense of the facts and the reality on the ground.
00:28:42.280 And secondly, Professor Lee, tell me if I've got this straight, if Canada in a utopian world,
00:28:48.840 I don't know, maybe we invented dilithium crystals and made our carbon footprint zero and the rest
00:28:55.680 of the world went on business as usual, that wouldn't make a lick of difference in terms
00:29:00.920 of, you know, the total, the overall total carbon output that the world produces.
00:29:06.780 Correct.
00:29:07.820 I will put it.
00:29:09.060 I agree with you completely.
00:29:10.200 I'll use slightly different language to say the same thing, because it's language I'm
00:29:13.680 familiar with that I'm comfortable with being in a business school.
00:29:16.480 Canada is not a market maker.
00:29:18.900 We are two percent of the world's GHG.
00:29:22.120 Three, there's a couple of countries in the world that are market makers.
00:29:26.280 That is to say they can move markets.
00:29:29.100 We know who they are.
00:29:30.620 One is the United States of America, and the second is the People's Republic of China.
00:29:35.780 Why?
00:29:36.360 Because they're the first and second largest economies in the world.
00:29:40.880 They both have large populations.
00:29:43.140 The U.S., a third of a of a of a billion people.
00:29:46.780 And of course, China with one point three billion.
00:29:49.360 And secondly, they have these enormous GDPs.
00:29:52.560 They can move markets because they're so huge.
00:29:56.000 They have such a huge footprint on the world.
00:29:58.840 The idea that a country that is smaller than one of 50 states in the U.S., Canada is smaller
00:30:05.860 than California.
00:30:07.700 The totality of all of Canada is smaller than the state of California in terms of population
00:30:12.520 and GDP.
00:30:13.000 The idea that one country with 37 million people could cause the world to change its behavior
00:30:20.840 or change the footprint of GHG around the world is just preposterous to anybody who has
00:30:26.800 any understanding of basic arithmetic and the numbers involved.
00:30:31.440 We are two percent of the world's emissions of GHG.
00:30:35.100 So the idea, even if we eliminated every last molecule of GHG in Canada, it would make no
00:30:42.360 difference on the world because over the next 35 years, the IEA, the International Energy
00:30:47.560 Authority, is forecasting the equivalent of two more Chinas coming on stream in terms of
00:30:52.900 consumption of oil and gas.
00:30:54.460 In other words, the consumption today of China is going to be it's going to go up again over
00:31:00.000 the next 30 years, 35 years by the equivalent of two Chinas.
00:31:03.620 And so two percent Canada's contribution is literally irrelevant to the to the global
00:31:10.640 conversation.
00:31:11.860 Well, Professor, I got to tell you, the way you frame it, it just makes this whole issue
00:31:17.180 all the more frustrating.
00:31:18.560 I'm afraid we have to wrap it here.
00:31:19.920 But again, we are dealing with a government whose prime minister once infamously said the
00:31:25.460 budget will balance itself.
00:31:27.620 So maybe the carbon will balance itself to environmental stewardship.
00:31:32.880 But Professor Lee, I want to thank you kindly for weighing in on this very important matter.
00:31:37.100 Thank you.
00:31:38.160 My pleasure, David.
00:31:38.780 Thank you.
00:31:39.260 All right.
00:31:39.660 And that was Professor Ian Lee, folks.
00:31:41.200 And keep it here.
00:31:42.160 More of the Ezra Levin show to come right after this.
00:31:44.500 On my monologue yesterday about Doug Ford's free market marijuana plan, giving public sector unions a
00:32:01.760 severe case of reefer madness.
00:32:04.100 Paul writes, although I do not approve of illegal drugs being sold to the masses, I do support
00:32:09.940 Doug Ford in his efforts to break the government's monopoly on selling dope and booze.
00:32:15.740 Well, Paul, as I'm no fan of the wacky tobacco either, and I've never actually imbibed.
00:32:21.640 But since this is going to be a legal commodity, government needs to know its role, which is
00:32:27.700 to regulate and tax this stuff, not warehouse and retail it.
00:32:32.960 Liza writes, the control of booze sales and gambling is something these guys want to keep
00:32:38.040 their grubby hands on.
00:32:39.760 Suggesting a free market for pot sales threatens that grasp.
00:32:43.740 The phrase from my or their dead cold hands comes to mind.
00:32:47.860 So glad Ford is shaking things up.
00:32:50.380 Well, you know something, just about everyone I've ever met wants the government out of the
00:32:55.680 booze and betting businesses too.
00:32:57.960 I say just about everyone because the only people I've ever heard trumpeting the merits
00:33:02.660 of the bloated Liquor Control Board of Ontario and the scandal-plagued Ontario Lottery and
00:33:08.240 Gaming Corporation are the bureaucrats who work there and, of course, the unionized staff.
00:33:14.600 These fat cats have a lucrative racket going and they don't want to give it up, even though
00:33:19.540 we all know the private sector would run things so much better.
00:33:24.680 And Shannon writes, keep those lefties crying, Doug.
00:33:28.000 You know for every embittered lefty, there are a hundred happier taxpayers being treated fairly.
00:33:34.060 You know, you're bang on, Shannon.
00:33:35.780 They say you're supposed to give the squeaky wheel the grease.
00:33:38.960 My advice to Premier Ford would be to ignore the whiners in the public sector who see their
00:33:44.000 fiefdoms being eroded.
00:33:46.020 Sure, public sector unions are really good at raising a ruckus, but all that should really
00:33:51.380 matter is the will of the people and the silent majority wants less government involvement in
00:33:56.880 their lives, not more.
00:33:58.760 Well, that's it for tonight's edition of the Ezra Levent Show.
00:34:01.820 It's been a pleasure guest hosting this past week.
00:34:04.740 The big boss man, he's back tomorrow, and I'm sure he'll have plenty to say about the
00:34:09.740 Tommy Robinson case that Ezra was covering in the UK these past few days.
00:34:14.500 Thanks so much for tuning in.
00:34:15.800 And hey, folks, never forget, without risk, there can be no glory.
00:34:20.120 Good night.
00:34:34.740 Good night.
00:34:35.340 Good night.