Equipping parents faced with government indoctrination： Alex Newman on Public School Exit
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Alex Newman of The New American and The Liberty Sentinel joins me to talk about the new award he received for being a courageous Christian, and how he is leading the charge for parents to extract their children from the brainwashing public school system.
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Hey Rebels, you're listening to a free audio-only recording of my weekly Wednesday night show,
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The Gun Show. Tonight my guest is Alex Newman of The New American, but he is also an author
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and he writes for The Epoch Times. He's really everywhere. And he's talking about the new award
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that he's received for being a courageous Christian and how he is leading the charge
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for parents to extract their children from the brainwashing public school system.
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Is it time for a Brexit-style exodus of children from government-run public school systems? I'm
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Sheila Gunn-Reed. As you can see, I'm on the road again today, but you're still watching The Gunn Show.
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I first met Alex Newman of the New American and the Liberty Sentinel in the Epoch Times
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a couple of years ago at the United Nations Climate Change Conference. It was actually the
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one that was held in Bonn, Germany. And he was such a welcome face because I thought I was alone as
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one of the rare skeptical journalists at these things. However, unlike me, Alex is still allowed
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inside the UN conferences. Alex is a careful watcher of how government tries to control every
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aspect of our lives by using things like climate change, but also by using things like the public
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school system to create an army of compliant proselytizers of far left-wing politics. And so
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Alex joins me on the show today in an interview we recorded yesterday afternoon when I was still back at my
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home studio about his efforts to steward the exodus of children from the public school system in America
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and about his new award for being a courageous Christian leader. Take a listen.
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So joining me now is Alex Newman of the New American in the New American studios, which is
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kind of exciting. Alex, I had a pleasant surprise the other day when I opened up my email and I saw
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a press release saying that you had just won the Dr. Robert Dreyfuss Courageous Christian
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Leadership Award. First of all, congratulations on that award. Tell us all about it.
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Well, thank you so much, Sheila. It's great to be with you. And it's really humbling to get the
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award. I'm always a little bit embarrassed about talking about myself, but it was a real honor. It
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came from the group Frontline Ministries and the founder of that ministry and the executive director
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of that ministry has become a friend of mine. And he's given it to some really wonderful people over
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the years. And so I'm just humbled and honored to be included on it. And he made this big list of all
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the reasons why he thought I earned it. But I think what really pushed him over the edge was a speaking
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tour that I did in 2019, where I went all across the United States and even actually did some talks
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in other countries about the problem in the public school system. And, you know, his mission in life
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has been now for decades to try to get children out of the public school system. And for decades,
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that was kind of like, you know, a fringe idea. And the times have really changed now. We've had,
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for example, Rush Limbaugh, by far the most significant talk radio host in America. In the year before he
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died, he said repeatedly, parents, you need to get your children out of the public school system.
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President Donald Trump said twice that we need to protect our children from public schools. The
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reason the children are all going crazy is because they're being indoctrinated in public schools. We
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had Franklin Graham, one of the biggest evangelical leaders, said the same thing about what was going
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on in New Jersey. And I don't know that we can take the blame for all of that. But I think in
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Ray's efforts, and then we created a new organization called Public School Exit. It's
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kind of all the list of things that he listed on there. And yeah, I mean, it just was really
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incredible. It gave me a nice plaque. And we had a nice ceremony at an off the record meeting for
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conservatives in Orlando. So we had a little breakout session. And just phenomenal. We had
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probably more than 60 people there, including some of the top leaders in the world of Christian
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education, homeschooling. It was it was phenomenal. So yeah, I realized just how humble you are about
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your own accomplishments when I was reading that press release, all the things that you've done
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and all the organizations that you're involved with. And I thought, I met Alex at the UN climate
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change conference, and he seems pretty sharp about those kind of things. And then there's this whole
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other side of Alex Newman that I knew a little bit about, based on, you know, the book that you
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wrote, I think it would be two years ago now. But I didn't realize all the things that you were doing
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to empower parents with regard to education. And for me, I think that might be one of the things that
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really, one of the positives that comes out of the pandemic, and the lockdown and the closures of the
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schools, is that parents are realizing, we don't need the public education system to do this,
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we can be educators of our children, because parents have always been the first educators
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of their children. Yeah, I couldn't agree with you more, Sheila. It's been such an amazing time over
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the last year. You know, there's been the downsides, we've lost huge amounts of freedom, some people
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have gotten sick, some people have even died. And that's all very sad. But the the enormous silver
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lining here, if you if you look at the data in America, the tide is really changing. And I can give you
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some some examples of that in the homeschooling world, for example, before the pandemic, something
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like 5% of American families with school aged children were homeschooling their children.
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By the end of summer of 2020, that number had doubled, it was now 10% of families with school
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aged children that were homeschooling. And it you know, people who know about homeschooling know that
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those families tend to be larger or significantly larger than your average family. So that means well over
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10% of American children now who are in education are being educated at home. And that's true legitimate
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homeschooling, right? That's not like the government gives you a laptop, and then the government beams
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your government teacher into your government school classroom at home. This is true homeschooling where
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the parents are taking charge. And you're absolutely right. When people suggest that parents aren't
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qualified to educate their own children, they were if parents aren't qualified, who could possibly be
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more qualified, who loves that child more than the parent who knows that child better than that
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parent, their learning styles, their difficulties. And when you have a one on one or one small
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environment like that, where the parent can deal with one or two or three children, it's an entirely
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different atmosphere than trying to control, you know, 2030 kids in a classroom. And the data shows
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it clearly, too. If you look at the data on homeschoolers, on average, they are light years ahead of the
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victims of the government school system. So big things are happening. And then if you look at the
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public schools data, their enrollment, Sheila, is dropping like a rock. There's districts that have
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lost 15, maybe 20% of their students just since the pandemic started. And a lot of those are never
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coming back. So this is really, really good news for freedom, for family, and for the cause of
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perpetuating our civilization and our liberties into the future.
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Yeah, there's an important thing that a lot of, you know, proponents of the government
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factory school system forget to mention. And that is that ivory league schools go out and openly
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solicit and court homeschool children. Because by the time you get to university, you need to be an
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independent learner, an independent thinker, usually. I mean, that's changing pretty fast in the university
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system. But I mean, these elite level schools are openly looking for homeschooled kids, because they
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are such high achievers. And, you know, that's one thing the teachers unions definitely don't want
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Yeah, that's exactly right. And the data on this is clear as well. I mean, the major elite universities
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are out there actively looking for homeschoolers, because they know a few things. They know the
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homeschoolers are going to be more likely to earn more money. They know homeschoolers are going to be
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more likely to be involved in the civic arena, right, in politics, in the community. They know
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that homeschoolers are actually much better at doing university, right? They're also more tolerant.
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And the data on this is now starting to accumulate. One of the previous recipients of the Robert
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Dreyfuss Award for Courageous Christian Leadership was a wonderful man that I know well. He's been in my
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house for dinner, Dr. Brian Ray, who runs the National Home Education Research Institute. And he now has
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decades of academic research. These are scholarly, peer-reviewed journal articles laying out the
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facts about homeschooling. And it's just like night and day. These children do better on every
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front, academically and socially. And they're going to do better long into the future. And these
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universities are thinking, hey, we want people who are going to go out and make money who can fund
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our endowments. We want people who are going to be good representatives of the school. We want people
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who we don't have to kind of go back and teach them basic English and reading and math for them to be
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able to get along here. And homeschoolers meet that bill very, very well. So very encouraging things
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are happening on this front. And I think it's one bright spot in this just sea of horrors that we're
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in the midst of right now. I wanted to ask you about some of the other initiatives that you're involved
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in. Now, you touched on it briefly, and that was public school exit. And then also Red Pill University.
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What are those two things about? And also, how can parents get involved?
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Yeah, well, thank you for asking. I'm incredibly honored to serve as the executive director for
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public school exit. It's an organization that we started back in 2019. It was almost like divine
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intervention that we started this shortly before the whole world went into lockdowns, because
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that's exactly what was needed at this time. But basically, after my speaking tour, we did a special
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report in the New American magazine rescuing our children. I think I gave you a copy.
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If not, I definitely need to. Okay, very good. And so I did a national speaking tour on that. I think
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I've given that talk probably 150 times now in at least 43 states and multiple countries. And out of
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that effort grew public school exit. So we teamed up with some incredible people. Dran Reese, who serves
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as our president, she's been involved in ministry for a long time. She does amazing work. But she was
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realizing, you know, she was tracking all these bills moving through the California legislature and trying
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to keep track of what politicians are doing what. And finally, she realized, hey,
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all of these efforts are going to be for nothing if they get all our kids.
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So we brought Dran, we brought Ray Moore together, we brought my friend Dr. Duke Pesta,
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who's a very well known academic, you know, regular guest on Fox. And he he's a professor at the
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University of Wisconsin. And he also runs the Freedom Project Academy where I happen to teach.
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So that was our kind of core leadership team to begin with. And we said, well, hey, our goal is to get the
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children out of the schools. What do we do now? And out of that grew this incredible advisory board,
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people can find us online, it's public school exit.com. And we've built just an amazing group
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of men and women, you know, lawyers, pastors, educators, I mean, the former superintendent of
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public instruction for the state of Arizona, the highest ranking education official for Arizona,
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after four years in that job, she went in thinking, hey, I'm going to reform the school system.
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And after four years, she said, hey, that's not possible. I might as well just go beat my head
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against a brick wall. So now she has joined in our effort. That's the caliber of people we've
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brought. And now we are working with pastors. We are working with parents. We have a scholarship
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fund set up so that, you know, when you do meet that very rare individual who literally can't
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financially make it work, you know, maybe single mom, you know, eight kids, deadbeat dad ran off and
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left the mom with the kids, then we want to step in and we want to help. So we're partnering now with
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schools, with churches. We want to help churches set up. You know, they're empty for six days out
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of the week, maybe five days out of the week. Why is all that space going to waste when we could be
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rescuing our children and giving them a good, solid Christian education instead of just letting the
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building get cobwebs? So that's what we're doing. PublicSchoolExit.com. Actually, just today, I got an
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email from somebody in Canada, totally by coincidence, said, hey, do you guys have a chapter up in Canada?
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What can we do up here? So it's growing. It's becoming international. And this weekend at this
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off the record conservative meeting at our side event, we had at least half of our advisory board
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there. Each one gave a little testimony. One of them, for example, the president of the Pacific
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Justice Institute, very prominent attorney, Brad Dacus. He said, I actually wrote a book years ago
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explaining how I thought we could reform the schools and how kids could go evangelize in the schools.
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And then I realized, hey, they're destroying our children. We're not going to reform the schools.
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We've got to rescue our kids. So it's been it's it's been incredible. And then you ask about
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the Red Pill University, the Red Pill Expo. G. Edward Griffin, for those who don't know, is a very
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well-known American. If you go to his Wikipedia page, I'm sure they say nasty things about him like
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they do everybody who's decent and honorable. But he's a good man. He's been involved in this fight
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for decades. He wrote The Creature from Jekyll Island, which has sold just mind-boggling amounts of
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copies about the Federal Reserve System. And he contacted me and said, hey, you know, would you be
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involved in this initiative I'm working on? So we have been every year for the last five years
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having Red Pill Expos where we bring together elected officials. We bring together leaders in
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the liberty movement, doctors, leaders in the health field. And the theme is, of course, based
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on the matrix. You know, you take the red pill and then you're awake as opposed to taking the blue pill
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and going back to sleep. And it's been an amazing experience. We're having our next one in South
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Dakota. That'll be June 4th through 6th. So any of you guys in Canada, we're not all that far from you
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if you can cross the border in the COVID-19. And so that'll be fun. And then we turned Red Pill Expo
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from that group, Red Pill University, where basically people can come at any time and learn
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from our faculty. So we're putting up a lot of videos. We're eventually going to have live classes
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and enormous things, incredible things happening. And I'm tremendously honored to be a part of it.
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You know, as you were talking, I thought, oh, you know, this is it's been a really long time since
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somebody rethought the education system. But then as you continue talking, I realized you're not
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actually rethinking the education system. You're going back to exactly what worked. Because for the
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duration of human history, except for maybe the last half a century, 60, 70 years, education,
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the bulk of education was done at home or in the church, by the church. Schools were church run.
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And so you're really not rethinking anything. You're just going back to the idea that what
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isn't broke, we shouldn't have tried to fix anyway, I think.
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That's exactly, exactly right. I couldn't have said it better myself. You know, we of our generation,
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I'm a millennial, which is so embarrassing. But, you know, we grew up in this world where
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government school was the norm. And, you know, I never went to government school, but everybody else
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did. And so that's just kind of it's always been that way, right? Well, no. Okay. For thousands of
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years of human history, parents were the primary educators of their children. If you go back and look at
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the generation that founded the United States of America and caused us to become an independent
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country, these were wonderful. I mean, great, great, very learned men. And the overwhelming
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majority of them were homeschooled. People like James Madison, right? He was educated by his parents
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at home. And then he helped educate his younger siblings. They were in university by the time they
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were 14, translating, you know, Greek Bible into Hebrew and then back into English. I mean,
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that's the level that they were at. And we look at what we have today with you. Oh, we're so smart.
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Absolute baloney. And so that's really what we want to do. We want to go back to what worked. And one of
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the members of our advisory board, she was actually at the meeting over the weekend. Her name is Carrie
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Woodruff. She is the leader of the Foundation for American Christian Education. And that's exactly what
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they're about. Their two founders, these two wonderful ladies figured out after World War II
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that education in America was taking a nosedive. And they said, well, this isn't working. What
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did education used to be like during the founding era? So they went back and they studied that and
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they wrote some books and they said, wow, we can go back to what worked. And the proof is in the
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pudding. They've got a network of schools, not just across America, but all over the world,
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in Brazil and in Uganda. They've got hundreds of schools using this method that was really just
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resurrecting good education from previous generations. And the results speak for
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themselves. I've spoken at some of those schools. They've got one in Oklahoma. It's got 600 students.
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I spoke at one in Virginia, hundreds of students. And even on the government's own test, they're off
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the charts. And I went there. You go into the kindergarten classroom and the children are
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learning how to read. You go into the fourth grade classroom and the children have handwriting that
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looks like it came out of a computer. And they're well behaved and they're happy and they're
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thinking and debating. It's just such a breath of fresh air when you compare it to the nonsense
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masquerading as education today. And that really is the key right there, Sheila. We know how education
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works. Humans have been doing this for a long time. We just need to go back to what worked.
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You know, speaking of nonsense masquerading as education and bad ideas born in the public school
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system or at least proliferated in the public school system, I wanted to ask you about, because you
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are in Biden's new America, this idea that biological males should be allowed to play on girls' sports
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teams, I guess this would happen in a public high school. I have a 14-year-old daughter who plays
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very competitive level rugby. But she's a 14-year-old girl and she has not undergone testosterone
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puberty. Her rugby career is over the day a boy is wearing cleats on the other side of the ruck from
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her. And so I can't even fathom what this means in the education system. Does this mean boys in the
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girls' change room? What does this mean? Yeah, unfortunately, that's exactly what it means,
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Sheila. It is tragic. It's cruel. I mean, the example of your daughter is actually a perfect one.
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These are young girls who, you know, their passion is playing sports. They're really good.
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They've been working their whole life toward this goal. And suddenly a guy, you know,
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pretending to be a girl is going to be competing against them. And we're supposed to accept that
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our daughters are going to be competing against men. It's cruel, I think, is the only word that
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describes it. And the worst part is this is being done under the guise of being tolerant, being
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accepting. It is no such thing. This is a full frontal assault on women, on our daughters, on
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children. And actually, what you described has been happening in the United States for years now,
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Sheila. You have boys going into girls' locker rooms. And when the girls freak out and say,
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oh, my goodness, what's going on here? They're being told that there's something wrong with them
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because they don't want boys watching them undress in the locker room. We had a scandal in my home
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state of Florida where the physical education teacher was actually threatened, not just with
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losing his job, but with losing his teaching credentials so he could never be a teacher again
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because he was not comfortable watching a young girl undress and become naked and shower in the
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boys' locker room. This was a major case in the state of Florida. And this kind of thing is going
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to be happening a whole lot more under these crazy new rules that Biden had absolutely no legitimate
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authority to implement. I wanted to ask you, since you are the recipient of a Courageous
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Christian Leadership Award, I wanted to ask you if the case of Pastor James Coates is sort of on the
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radar within the Christian sphere in the United States. Pastor James Coates is imprisoned at the
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maximum security Edmonton Remand Center for breaking public health rules. The public health rule requires
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him to limit his church congregation to 15% of fire code capacity and force his congregation to wear
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masks. He will not, he has not, and he turned himself in on February 16th and he's remained in the maximum
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security Remand Center since. Even though he does technically qualify for bail conditions, however as a
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man of good conscience he cannot sign that bail release agreement that would require him to lie and say that he
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would limit the capacity of his church. I want to know, you know, first of all, what you think about
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this? Because I think from the outside looking in, everybody thinks that this is a pretty conservative
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place as far as Canada goes. But what do you think about that? And then is this, is this leaking into
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the conservative sphere in the United States? Do people know about it? Do they care about it? Or is this
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just something that's driving me insane? Yeah. Well, thank you for bringing that up, Sheila. And
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I can tell you, I'm praying for our brother who is right now in chains. This is, it's horrifying. It's
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grotesque. But at the same time, you know, what an honor he has to be able to suffer for the cause of
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Christ. It really, it's, it's just, I'm almost a little bit jealous because that is, it's just such a
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high honor to be able to suffer for the sake of the truth and suffer for the sake of the faith.
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So God bless him. The Christians in America know about this. Many of us do. We are praying for him.
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And unfortunately, this is the kind of thing that is going to sweep all across Canada and all across
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the world if people don't stand up. We're already seeing the beginnings of that sort of abuse here in
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the United States. In my state of Florida, you know, everybody thinks Florida is the free state. And
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right now we kind of are. But even in Florida, early on during the pandemic, they sent, you know,
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a large force to go arrest a conservative pastor because he wouldn't shut down. Now, fortunately,
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our governor, who is doing a wonderful job, stepped in and said, hey, you local people,
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you release him immediately. But in many other states, I mean, in California, they're still
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threatening pastors. One of the pastors on our advisory board for a public school exit, Rob McCoy,
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he was at the meeting this weekend. He was threatened with arrest for refusing to shut down his church
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in the United States of America, where the very first amendment protects our freedom to assemble,
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our religious liberty, our freedom to speak. It's just it's mind boggling. So we're following the
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case closely up in Canada. Hopefully, this is a temporary aberration. But if we continue moving
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in this direction, I think that's going to start becoming the norm. And, you know, as a Christian,
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it's not that I'm worried about it. The Bible is very clear that the gates of hell will never
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prevail against the church. But maybe it's time for Christians to start preparing themselves,
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because that's the direction the world is moving in. And more of us may have to go to jail for the
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sake of our testimony. So God bless the pastor. We are praying for him. And I hope everybody in Canada
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is as well. This is a critical issue. And I hope people understand the significance of this. This is
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a major turning point. This is not a small thing. This is a turning point in our societies that,
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if left unaddressed, is going to have very, very serious consequences going forward.
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Yeah, I've been to northern Iraq. So I know where persecution leads to when you don't nip it in the
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bud beforehand, when you don't stand up and say something about it. And I've spent the last four
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weeks in Pastor Coates' Grace Life Church. I'm not a member of his congregation. However, they'd sure
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love to have me. What a great bunch of people. Holy cow. But, you know, the idea that they cannot
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let Pastor Coates free, because if he does, then his church pews will be full. They are full.
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Because anybody who locks up a pastor thinking that it will end Christianity misunderstands church
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history and the church itself. The church thrives under persecution. And inspired by Pastor Coates,
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other churches are doing the same. They're saying, no, I'm sorry. Pastor Coates has really brought an
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issue to light within the church, that we must be obedient to God and not the government. And we're
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seeing church after church after church make the same stand. And I think they're going to need bigger
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prisons if they think they're going to lock up all the Christians who are obedient to God over
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our Premier Jason Kenney. Amen. I couldn't agree more with you, Sheila. And before this happened,
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actually, I was invited to preach at a major Baptist church on the east coast of Florida. I believe it
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was in October of last year. And I actually preached on exactly this subject, the duty of Christians
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toward government, and also the duty of Christians to resist and disobey government when that government
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violates what God has commanded. And this is a theme that is constant throughout the Bible. Daniel refused to
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stop praying to God. He was thrown into the lion's den. Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego refused to bow
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down before this giant golden idol. And they were thrown into the fiery furnace, and God protected
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them. I mean, the apostles, right? They refused to stop preaching in the name of Christ. And then that's
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where that famous line that you just gave came from in Acts, right? Is it better to obey God or men?
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Well, hey, we are going to obey God, and we must. And so this is a theme that's all throughout the Bible.
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Yes, Christians must submit to government, but Christians must submit to God first.
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And you're right. This is causing an incredible awakening in the church. I think this is actually going to be
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very healthy for the church. And you're also right on the money about the spreading and the thriving of
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Christianity under persecution. If you actually look at the spread of the gospel, it came about as a result
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of the persecution. They were persecuting the early church. They scattered all over the world, and boom,
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now Christianity is a global phenomenon. There's nothing governments can do to stop it, but what an honor it is
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to suffer for the cause of the truth. Alex, I could probably talk to you all day, but I know that you're in New American HQ,
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so I'm sure you have other things to do than let me bend your ear. How can people find the work that you do on, you know,
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not just at the New American, but other places, and how can they support the work that you do,
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and maybe find some of the excellent resources that you have for parents out there?
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Well, thank you so much for the opportunity, Sheila. So Public School Exit, we're really making an outreach
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right now to pastors, and we would love to work with Canadian pastors as well. We've got a whole team of
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experts. We can come in and help you set up a situation where you can start getting the children
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out of the government schools, and the data's clear. So you can find us at publicschoolexit.com.
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The New American, you can find it at thenewamerican.com. You can subscribe to the print magazine as well,
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if you're so inclined. My personal website is libertysentinel.org, and I've got a lot of my
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sermons and my just ramblings and thoughts on things, personal thoughts that I put up there,
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and also articles and columns by people that I think very highly of, and Red Pill Expo. If you guys want
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to come, you can go to redpillexpo.org. That, again, will be June 4th through June 6th. And thank you so
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much for having me, Sheila. I really appreciate it. I love your show. I love what you guys do at
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The Revel, and thank you for speaking out on behalf of Pastor Coates. We sure appreciate it. Keep sounding
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the alarm, and thanks for everything you do, Sheila. We will. Thank you so much for coming on the show,
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and we'll have you back on again very, very soon. Excellent. Thank you, Sheila. God bless.
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Like I said to Alex, if there is one good thing to come from this horrible pandemic lockdown,
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I hope it is that parents find the confidence to realize that they have always been the first
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and the best educators of their children. It's always been that way since time immemorial.
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Well, everybody, that's the show for tonight. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'll see everybody
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back here or, well, probably not here, but wherever I am next week. And remember, don't let the government