EZRA LEVANT ｜ A “Civil Liberties” Group Calls for the Burning of More Churches
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The head of the BC Civil Liberties Association is cheering on the burning of Catholic churches. I can t believe it. But I'll prove it to you. Here's what happened to the church in Lytton, B.C.
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Hello, my Rebels. It's just a crazy thing. The head of the B.C. Civil Liberties Association
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is cheering on the burning of Catholic churches. I can't believe it, but instead of, you know,
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expressing regret, she's doubling down. I'll prove it to you. But first, let me invite you
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Tonight, a Civil Liberties leader calls for the burning of more churches. It's July 5th,
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Hey, did you see that absolutely terrible fire in Lytton, a village in the B.C. interior? Seeing the
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flames engulfed this little village and the people fleeing for their lives reminded me of what Fort
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McMurray looked like in 2016, when a wildfire consumed so much of that city and forced the
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entire evacuation of the city, almost 100,000 people. It was a miracle. No one died in Fort
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McMurray. The news says that two people are presumed dead in Lytton, and that the number could be higher.
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People left so quickly, it's uncertain if people are missing or just they moved out.
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Let me quote two interesting sentences from this story on Global News.
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Forensic team arrives in Lytton, B.C. Investigation into deadly wildfire gears up.
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So a forensic team is there. An investigation into the cause and human cost of a devastating wildfire
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in Lytton, B.C. appeared ready to begin Saturday as RCMP forensic teams arrived at the village.
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The human cost, they'll be looking for casualties, but also what caused it. It was a village. It was
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not a forest. It was not a campground. A campground might have had a campfire, a forest. Well,
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fire there might be caused by lightning or maybe from sparks from a train passing through.
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But this is fire in a town. Here's another line from the story. Lytton First Nation acting chief
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John Hoggan told Global News on Saturday that members of the community were spread as wide as
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the lower mainland, Squamish, Kamloops, and Kelowna. For many, it's traumatic. They still haven't been
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able to really wrap their head around that they have no home to go back to, he said.
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So just to be clear, that's the chief of an Indian band. I call Lytton a village. It's pretty tiny,
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250 people. But around the town are different First Nations, about 800 people. So it's a lot
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smaller than Fort McMurray was. But let me read just two more sentences about Lytton from that same
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story. An estimated 90% of the structures in the community were destroyed by the fire,
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which broke out sometime before 6 p.m. Wednesday. On Friday, operators of the Lytton Chinese History
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Museum, which focuses on the contributions of thousands of Chinese miners, railway workers,
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merchants, and farmers, confirmed the structure had burned to the ground.
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Isn't that a shame? And isn't that interesting? Very diverse community, First Nations, Chinese
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History Museum. I learned that Lytton calls itself Canada's hotspot, because for whatever reason,
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it is the place that often has the highest temperature in the country. And it actually did last week.
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Again, as so happens, a new record. So things were really dry and hot out there.
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So was this fire natural? As fires often are. In the hotspot of the country, was it natural?
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Or was it what Drea saw when she was visiting other First Nations communities in the B.C. interior
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just days earlier? In this heat wave, in this dry weather, arsonists torching churches as an act of
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political revenge and terrorism. Was it that? Drea even mentioned that in her report, eerily prescient.
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Arson is always terrible. But imagine arson when the whole area is dry as kindling.
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Behind me is what's left of St. Gregory's Church. The church is attached to a small grave site
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on the Osoyoos Indian ban. It's the second church to be left in shambles.
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From the looks of what's inside the church and the rubble, it doesn't appear like this church was
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being actually used, other than, like I said, being attached to this small grave site.
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But what's different about this location is just how in the middle of nowhere it is. And not just the
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middle of nowhere, the middle of a desert. I don't know if you guys know this, but B.C. has had
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issue after issue with fires. If this is proven to be arson, what type of sick individual or
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individuals set fire to a place like this where no one's going to catch it? It's a miracle it was
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caught. How many lives could have been ruined because of that action?
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So is that what happened in Lytton, a First Nations area? The Yellow Pages say there are four
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churches in that town. Was one of them torched by an arsonist, but instead of just burning the church,
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it burned the whole village and killed two people, maybe more? Is that what happened? I don't know.
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And frankly, if it were what happened, I don't know if we'd find out. Some crimes we're just not
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allowed to know. Does anyone know what that mass shooting was all about in Las Vegas four years ago?
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You know, the largest mass shooting in U.S. history, 60 dead, nearly 1,000 injured, that guy
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holed up in a casino hotel. You know, they still haven't released a motive on that one, which means
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they never will. I don't know why, but it doesn't build trust in the system, does it?
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Well, if it turns out that this fire that consumed a whole village and killed two people was by anti-church
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arsonists, I don't know if you're going to hear about it from Trudeau's RCMP because
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he spent a fair bit of time whipping up anger at these churches, hasn't he? And
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not much time raging against hate crimes or terrorism or arson as he likely would have
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done if they were Muslim mosques or Jewish synagogues. I wonder if we'll ever really know
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what started the fire, but here's what we do know. The same day as the fire, a woman named
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Harsha Walia was responding to a news report about other church fires. You see that? It's a story
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in Vice News about two more Catholic churches being torched in Canada, and she replies, burn
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it all down. Pretty simple, four words. You don't need any more words when you're that plain
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spoken. What does she want? To burn it down. How much of it? All of it. What? Churches, Christians,
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Catholics, society, whatever, burn it all down. Okay, but Harsha Walia is the executive director
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of the BC Civil Liberties Association. I'm not kidding. Here's what the BC Civil Liberties
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Association says about itself. The BC Civil Liberties Association is the oldest and most active
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civil liberties and human rights group in Canada. I don't think that's true. The BCCLA has been
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actively advancing human rights and civil liberties through litigation, law reform, community-based
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legal advocacy, and public engagement and education for the last half century. And they're a registered
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charity, of course, and they're supposed to do good things to use the law to help people,
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to protect people, to fight against harm using the law. And there's Harsha Walia, not just some
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staffer, not just some intern. She's the boss. She's the executive director. She's the head of the
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Civil Liberties Agency activists for all of BC. She runs a charity by that name, and she is calling
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for hate crimes, for arson, really for terrorism. It's been almost a week and not a word from the
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BCCLA about this. I checked. No apology, no retraction, no announcement that Harsha Walia is
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taking some time off for personal reasons. None of that, not a peep. I tweeted that shocking
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juxtaposition. Her insane call for hate crimes next to her civil liberties bio. And she has now made
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her Twitter account private, so you can't see it. But I actually can. I've been following her on
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Twitter for a while because she's so out there, so I'm not locked out. And I've got to say,
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far from being repentant, she's indignant. She hasn't had second thoughts about her tweet. It's still up.
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And she's raging about anyone who's upset by her call to burn it all down. Locked my Twitter after
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receiving over 200 trolling messages in response to a tweet one week ago. I've been reported and
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tagged into Vancouver police, RCMP, CSIS, CBSA, employer, provincial and federal government,
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and with dozens of calls for me to be charged for terrorism and hate crime. Yeah, I mean, look at
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her tweet again. She refers to a news report of churches being torched, arson, and she says,
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burn it all down. Not a lot of wiggle room there. But I'm serious. She says, no, no. Responding to
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reports about arson with burn it all down doesn't actually mean burn it all down. Let it burn,
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burn it down, is expression of rage and sadness that many survivors in the downtown east side whom
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I have spoken with are saying, though not universally. And I recognize there is nuance that tweet doesn't
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capture, nor was it intended to, and tweet is mine, just providing context. What? DTE sign that it's the
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downtown east side. That's a rough part of Vancouver. Lots of homeless people. So many people drunk or on
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drugs. Very dangerous place. I think it's the worst few blocks anywhere in Canada. So she's blaming
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someone in the downtown east side for putting that phrase into her head. I don't even, I just have
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never seen such a pitiful excuse. Then she says, thank you for care, everyone. I have been informed
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there are police complaints being filed against me, which is beyond words. But this is moment for
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solidarity with indigenous nations and not ridiculous Twitter trying to derail and distract
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from real issues. Come what may, we will win. It's beyond words that you've been reported. You react
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to churches being burned out of political hatred with the phrase burn it all down. And you're surprised
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that people are reporting to the police. We will win. Who's we? Win what? The arsonists or something?
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And then she writes, the first person to tweet referenced my position on abolishing police.
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Then cops, conservatives, Zionists, they're the worst, and right-wing pundits, oh, they're the super
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worst, piled on with their scores to settle. This is both personal and also a distraction from staying
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focused on justice and accountability for survivors. What's that Zionist bit? How did that sneak in
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there? Scores to settle? She just raged against churches, said burn them all down. And she's
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talking about other people settling scores? By the way, does a single word I've read from her sound
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like she actually spends a minute of her day on civil liberties work? I don't know if there's a single
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civil liberties thing they have ever done over there. We have over 1,800 lockdown cases. We're
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fighting for citizens across Canada, probably close to 100 cases in BC, maybe more. We take people of
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every religious and racial and political stripe, but she's raging on about Jews or Zionists or whatever.
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What are you doing? This one made me chuckle. This guy said, wow, and Walia is a representative of
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BC civil liberties who sits on many government committees. Yeah, pretty crazy. And she writes
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back, here is the president of Vancouver Police Union and the BC Police Association trying to
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intimidate me. For 15 years before I had the support I do now, people have thought that reporting
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me to employers or funders or the state will make a difference. Jokes on you, Ralph. Trying to
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intimidate you. He didn't say anything other than he was shocked by you. Jokes on you, Ralph? What joke?
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But that funders thing got me thinking. Who funds the BC civil liberties association? I know who funds
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our civil liberties project, thousands of ordinary people with small donations. So I looked at the
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BCCLA's financial statement and last year they received a $380,000 grant from something called
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the BC Law Foundation. What's the BC Law Foundation? Well, it's a public interest foundation that tries
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to improve the law, but it gets its money in a weird way. I actually don't like how it gets its money.
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When a client of a lawyer gives their lawyer some money to hold for them, for a purchase, in trust for
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something, whatever. It earns a tiny bit of interest, right? Well, and this is the weird part, and I think
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it's kind of grifting. They take that. The BC Law Foundation just takes the interest from all that
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money for everyone. They just take it. They don't ask you. And then they spend it on their do-goodery,
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some of which is good, but much of which is just hard left-wing ideology. Like I say, they don't raise
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the money voluntarily. They just take it from clients. They just take it. Can you imagine any
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other profession saying, oh yeah, you had some interest coming to you, but we'll just pocket
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that, thanks. Well, guess what? We here at Rebel News have lots of legal work in BC. So the Law
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Foundation's grant to the BCCLA includes some of our money. Some of our rebel money is being spent on
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the salary for Harsha Walia, that weird, hater, anti-Zionist, anti-police, anti-church cheerleader.
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Now look, I'm not for prosecuting hate speech, but I'm going to guess that Harsha Walia is at least
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against her list of enemies, conservatives, Jews, churches, whatever. I think she's absolutely over
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the line of the left's hate speech test. I mean, imagine if she was talking that way about mosques,
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burn them all down. But I do object to my own money being used to whip up religious bigotry
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and to call for criminal violence, even if she says she didn't mean it.
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So I asked our lawyers to draft a letter to the BC Law Foundation, not as just some busybody meddler,
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but literally as someone whose own money has been taken from me and given to this race-baiting,
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arson-chearing nut bar. I want my money back. And frankly, if the BC Law Foundation has any morals,
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which is an open question, they should rescind their $380,000 grant to the BCCLA.
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That's not censorship. That's just stopping to give free money to a crazy violence cheerleader. I mean,
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she says she's got more funding than ever. Unfortunately, I believe her. Fine. So let her
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raise her own money from George Soros or woke white leftists who hate the church because of daddy issues
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or whatever. Fine. Just stop using my money, okay? If you want to see our lawyer's letter,
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go to findthearsonist.com. We posted it there. Stay with us for a moment.
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Well, yesterday was the 4th of July. I enjoyed seeing one of the world's richest men, Mark Zuckerberg,
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on some sort of surfing device carrying the American flag. It was so good. At first,
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I thought it was photoshopped or one of those deep fakes. You know, I think it's the most pro-American
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thing Zuckerberg has done in a long time. Other billionaires had their tweets too. Here's Elon Musk
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showing himself as a young man saying, bless America. Doesn't he look good there? I really
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like that photo. But I saw what Elon Musk was saying in Chinese at the same time. And that's when I realized
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that I was easily fooled. See, while in English he was saying, bless America, this is Elon Musk's
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Chinese language social media page. Because you understand, Twitter is banned in China. Now,
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you may not speak Chinese, but I think you can understand what that is in the top left. That
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hammer and sickle and the number 100. That is Elon Musk. At the same time as he's saying,
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bless America, is blessing the 100th anniversary of the Chinese Communist Party. He's not saying,
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I love China. And there's a lot to love about China. The people, the food, the history, the archaeology,
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the culture. No, no, no. He is specifically saying he loves the Chinese Communist Party. He's not alone.
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Every big business is getting in on it. Nike said they are a Chinese company and they stand with the
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Communist Party of China. I'm worried about it. When billionaires go that way, you know they'll pull
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the culture with them. Joining us now to talk about the 100th anniversary of the Chinese Communist
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Party is our friend Gordon G. Chang, author and commentator. His new article in Newsweek is called
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China's Communist Party at 100. No more foreign rescues. Gordon, great to see you again. And by the
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way, folks, if you're not following Gordon, please do that right now on Twitter at Gordon G. Chang.
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You'll learn more about China than you will anywhere else. Gordon, I'm afraid of the fact that the
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leaders of the West are so clearly allying themselves or at least hedging their bets with
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China. Elon Musk, Nike, all the big brands. Should I be worried? You definitely should be worried,
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Ezra. What we are seeing is the American elites, business, political, aligning themselves with
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China's Communist Party against Americans. And it's not just the CEO of Nike and not just Elon Musk.
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You have, for instance, Charlie Munger, the number two at Berkshire Hathaway in that infamous interview
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with CNBC saying, oh, you know, he would like to have China's financial system in the U.S. So really
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what there is on display is this unabashed cravedness right now. And that means we don't have anybody
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defending our society against a malicious Chinese regime. Yeah. You know, that Charlie Munger
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interview was shocking. I didn't know what he looked like. I mean, we all know Warren Buffett
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as the friendly face of Berkshire Hathaway, but Charlie Munger is his right hand man. Let me just
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play a quick clip of that to show people he wasn't just saying he wanted the Chinese financial
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system. He was approving of their kidnapping of China's Elon Musk, a multi-billionaire named Jack Ma.
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He said he was pleased with it. Take a look at this crazy interview. Charlie, you said
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communist China is doing all the things that we should be doing right now. And I can't help
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but think of what they've done to Jack Ma. That amuses me. What about what they've done
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to Jack Ma? He's kind of disappeared. Well, yes, but Jack Ma's one of the swangers. So they
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just cut his, they said, to hell with you. He basically gave speech when he said to a one-party
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state, well, you guys are a bunch of jerks and don't know what you're doing. And I know what
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I'm doing and I want to do it better. And he was going to wade into banking and no rules and just
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do whatever he pleased. He also brought banking to a lot of unbanked people. The Chinese communists
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did the right thing. They just called in Jack Ma and say, you aren't going to do it, Sonny.
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And, and, uh, I wish we had a, I don't want the, all of the Chinese system, but I certainly would
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like to have the financial part of it in my own country. I mean, it, I can't believe he said that
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and that that is just normal discourse. That would have been like 50 years ago. Uh, I think if a tycoon
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in America would speak that way about the Soviet union, they would be marginalized in polite company.
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But Charlie Munger is probably saluted as a farsighted captain of industry.
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Yes. And that's really throughout the corporate suites. So this is not just an isolated interview.
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We're seeing so many instances of this, you know, businesses, amoral, they just there to make money.
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Um, it's really up to, um, Americans, uh, expressing themselves at the ballot box to make sure that
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companies cannot do this anymore. And this really is going to be important for us to cut those economic
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ties with China because China exploits every point of contact with our society. They're overwhelming us.
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The FBI is overwhelmed. Local law enforcement is overwhelmed. Governments are overwhelmed.
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And we need to cut those ties until we can be sure that we can manage this unrelenting and malicious
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assault from Beijing. Yeah. Now I just read your essay in Newsweek and I'm always thrilled to see you
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published there because I know they have, uh, I mean, they're a legacy media. They have a longstanding
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reputation. They have a large readership and I'm so pleased your message is getting out. You talk about
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the hundred year anniversary of the communist party. You have a few points that I had sort of forgotten
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that it was the West itself that bailed out the communist party in key moments after Tiananmen
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Square. It was George H.W. Bush who sort of let China come back into the brotherhood of nations. Um,
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Clinton with the trade deal 20 odd years ago that really put China on the path for economic dominance.
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Uh, China may not be quite as strong as it looks and the West may be giving it too much help. I,
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so I found little glimmers of hope in your article. What do you think of that?
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I, I do hope that there are glimmers. Um, the problem is that, uh, we have an administration in
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Washington and we certainly got one in Ottawa that would like to help the communist party. Um,
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and so right now, um, we Americans have got to prevent our president from doing what he would like
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to do, which is to, um, establish and deepen economic relations. Now Biden has done
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some good things on China, but nonetheless, um, he hasn't gone far enough, especially considering
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the situation that we now face, um, because China's assaults on us has gotten worse and worse over time
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because they're testing the new president. Uh, and, uh, Biden is not doing the things that are
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necessary at this particular moment. You know, it's interesting up here in Canada, Gordon, of course,
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uh, the two Michaels, Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor, they were kidnapped. It's almost 950 days
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ago. Um, and you would think that that would have started to unravel the diplomatic ties between the
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two countries. I think it, uh, I think it has on the Chinese side, they're getting more and more
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voluble against Canada. I haven't seen anything in return. Let me show you something that was tweeted
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by an official Chinese. I think he's a consul in South America. So I don't know why they're using him to do
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this, but this is a cartoon he tweeted against Justin Trudeau. It's a, it's a terrible picture
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of Trudeau saying, we killed your men. We stole your land. We killed your men. We buried your child.
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Let's reconcile. And he's holding, holding some, uh, feathers as if he's talking to Aboriginal people
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in Canada. Right now we're dealing with some tough issues about our history involving First Nations.
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And for a Chinese government to publish this cartoon that is so clearly an attack and Lee
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Yang is the name of the diplomat. And he says, do you think your so-called reconciliation is worth
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showing off? That's from a diplomat, Gordon. That's from a diplomat. And we're just taking it. We're just
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rolling over. Well, and also, you know, you go back to China's former diplomat, um, to Canada,
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who actually talked about, uh, white supremacy as really being the motivation for holding
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Meng Wanzhou, the Huawei CFO, who is now subject to extradition proceedings because the U.S. Justice
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Department wants her. Um, and so, uh, basically China is trying to stir racial division in Canada
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as it's trying to do in the United States and around the world. And as we see Beijing's propaganda,
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it is starting to resemble that of Japan's before the second world war. Japan had this whole notion
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of the greater East Asia prosperity sphere, tried to divide Asia along racial lines. Well, China's
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trying to do the same thing right now. And it is malicious beyond belief. And we don't see pushback
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on the part of the Biden administration. And we don't see pushback on the part of Justin Trudeau.
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Yeah. Well, you know, um, you, when you refer to Japan's once imperial ambitions in the region,
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you make me remember the Olympics in Berlin in 1936 on the eve of war. It was a source of prestige
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for Hitler to show off not only his infrastructure, his giant stadiums, but he wanted to have, you know,
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sports victories. I feel like we're in that same place again. China wants to show off not only that
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it can win, but it has these amazing airports and railways and stadiums, things that the West can
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only look at and say, wow, I wish ours was that nice. Um, and to show to their own people, look, the
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whole world comes on bended knee to us. We can't be as bad as our critics would say. I'm worried that, you
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know, the third part of that is, well, you know, three years later, Germany attacked Poland. Are you
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worried that China might do something rash with regards to Taiwan perhaps, or, uh, or do something
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military that moves from just propaganda and asymmetrical war to actually a kinetic war?
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Well, they did that last year, uh, Ezra. In May, uh, Chinese troops moved in force below, uh, the
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line of actual control into Indian controlled territory. And on the night of June 15th, in a
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surprise attack, killed 20 Indian soldiers. You know, you talk about the Olympics, got to remember
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that before the 2008 summer Olympics in Beijing, there was a lot of people who were saying, oh, you know,
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China puts on the Olympics, it'll integrate into the world. It will become a responsible
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stakeholder. And, and after the 2008 Olympics, China's, um, um, behavior rapidly deteriorated
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because they believed that they had got the legitimization from the world and that no one
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would oppose them. So yes, we've got to be very concerned that after the, uh, the winter Olympics
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next year, um, Beijing is going to do something even more dangerous than they did after 2008.
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Let me ask you one more question. It's sort of out of the blue. So if, if, if nothing comes to mind,
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don't worry about it. But I remember you and I would talk when Donald Trump was president and
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he didn't get everything right, but he had some good instincts on China. He's gone. And I think
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the jury's still out on Joe Biden. Is there anyone else in the political sphere that you think is strong
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and hopeful on China, anyone in the United States or frankly, in other countries that we can look to
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maybe for leadership on how to check China's military and political ambitions?
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Well, one person in the U S who has political ambitions going forward is Mike Pompeo, the former
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secretary of state. Um, also, you know, Donald Trump has four more years of eligibility as president
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under the U S constitution. So he might come back. Um, I, I think across the American political
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spectrum, both parties, you're starting to see people are beginning to understand the fundamental
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nature of China's challenge. I don't think they're all the way there yet. Um, but we're moving in that
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direction and we've got to move fast because we have, as we started out by talking, um, we've got a
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business class of financial class, Walmart, wall street, um, that are willing to do, actually,
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they're more loyal to Beijing than they are to Washington.
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Yeah, I think you're right. And I tell you, it was seeing those two faces of Elon Musk that really
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broke my heart. I was sort of a fan of his. I liked the fact that he was audacious and a little bit
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quirky, but now I feel sort of like I was tricked by him. I was only reading what he wanted me to read
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and not his other stuff. Listen, Gordon, it's great to catch up with you. And let me just one more time,
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recommend your new article in Newsweek. The headline is China's Communist Party at 100,
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No More Foreign Rescues. And of course, you can follow Gordon at Gordon G. Chang on Twitter. Take care,
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my friend. Thanks for your time today. Thank you so much, Ezra. All right. There you have it, Gordon Chang.
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Hey, welcome back on my show on Friday. On statues being torn down, Joel writes,
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Queen Victoria ended slavery, so they tear down the statue of her? Yeah, I mean, slavery, in fact,
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in Canada, the slave trade was abolished in the 1790s, if I recall, even before Queen Victoria. I mean,
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she spent decades literally leading a naval battle against slave ships. The British Empire redeemed
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every slave in the empire. I mean, what the Emancipation Proclamation did decades later,
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the British Empire did. So I don't think that the people who were tearing down statues were particularly
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philosophical or educated about it. I think they just want to smash every symbol of society. They
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don't care who. One writes, the police stood back and allowed this. Yeah. Oh, allowed it. In fact,
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they tasered the one guy who was protesting against it. Brian writes, imagine if these people
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were shaking hands or hugging. They'd be fined and arrested for sure. Well, yeah, and that's not
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just speculation. Maxime Bernier went to Manitoba for a small political meeting. He was arrested and
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jailed and told to leave town. There are Christian pastors who are being persecuted and prosecuted
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right now by Brian Pallister. It took him a day to make a public statement. And he said, oh,
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we're going to prosecute people. But he, of course, hasn't done so. He's one of the worst premiers.
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But as soon as I say that, I think of the other premiers who are even worse. It's terrible.
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That's our show for today. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters,
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you at home, good night and keep fighting for free.