Alex Epstein joins me to talk about his new book, "The Best Thing That Ever Happened to the World" and why we don't need to be on the defensive about energy. He also talks about how we can get fossil fuels out of the ground, and why people are actually a problem.
00:00:30.000Well, as you know, more than a decade ago, I wrote a book called Ethical Oil, The Case for Canada's Oil Sands, and the idea of putting the word ethics and oil together was a shock to people who had always demonized oil.
00:00:44.300The thesis that I had was that the values that the progressive left claims to hold, environmental responsibility, peace, the treatment of workers, human rights, if we actually value those things, we should prefer ethical oil from democratic countries like Canada and the United States to conflict oil from OPEC nations.
00:01:07.280Now, that was basically saying if we have to have oil, we should get it from the best places possible.
00:01:13.160Another way of saying that is every barrel of oil produced, say, in the Alberta oil sands is one fewer barrels of oil bought from a Saudi dictatorship, an Iranian theocracy, or Russia, which uses its oil profits to invade its neighbors.
00:01:30.000Well, here we are a decade later, and all those things are worse, but the front line of this battle is not really foreign affairs.
00:01:38.560I think that what's happened over the last decade in particular is the climate alarmism, and I think you see that in the form of climate depression and climate grief amongst young people who have been so terrorized by this climate alarmism,
00:01:55.840that the front line for that battle is actually domestically, it's not, hey, which country should we buy our oil from, it's, should we even use oil, should we even use energy, and are people actually a problem?
00:02:11.200You'll remember this clip of Bill Gates saying that we have to get rid of at least a billion people. He said that. Look at the clip.
00:02:19.520So let's look at each one of these and see how we can get this down to zero. Probably one of these numbers is going to have to get pretty near to zero.
00:02:29.200That's back from high school algebra, but let's take a look. First, we've got population.
00:02:36.140The world today has 6.8 billion people. That's headed up to about 9 billion.
00:02:40.480Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 or 15 percent.
00:02:50.620But there we see an increase of about 1.3.
00:02:54.600That's the logical extension of the idea that people are the problem and the planet is some pristine thing that can't be touched.
00:03:02.860And I think that the greatest communicator of a pro-human approach that says fossil fuels isn't just the lesser evil, but it's a positive good, the greatest communicator I've ever met for that thesis,
00:03:19.340in fact, I've often joked that his book is the book I really wish I wrote, is my friend Alex Epstein,
00:03:25.500who tirelessly says, we don't need to be on the defensive about energy.
00:03:31.560It's the best thing that ever happened to the world.
00:03:35.020And so for the rest of the show, I'm delighted to talk with Alex Epstein, who joins us now.
00:04:21.060It seems neutral. It's very non-neutral, but it seems neutral.
00:04:26.820And let me ask you, read your answer, and then I'd love you just to take it away and I'll be hanging on your every word and show all our viewers.
00:04:33.480Your answer was, climate change is the wrong target.
00:05:16.520It's one of these things where people don't talk about it, but it's just an incredibly common sense thing.
00:05:24.520So one question I like to ask people who think, you know, we've ruined the climate is, would you rather live in the climate today or the climate 100 years ago?
00:05:34.960Like, if you want to be safe from climate, would you rather be in the 1920s or the 2020s?
00:05:42.860Well, I mean, I know the answer because I studied these things.
00:05:47.120I know that we've mastered the climate with air conditioning in the summer, with heating in the winter, with, you know, building up protection for floods, dams.
00:05:57.360So I think I know the answer, but I know it in my own vocabulary.
00:06:01.920I want to hear it in your vocabulary because you, the way you talk about it, I think it's like a light switch goes on.
00:06:08.820So, and I think, I mean, I agree with you, obviously, but I think anyone, I want to just bring it back to common sense and then I want to give some language around it.
00:06:17.820But the common sense is, yeah, obviously I want to live in the climate now versus the climate in the past because our level of mastery now is so much greater than it was back then.
00:06:29.760And particularly even more so in poorer parts of the world, that whatever has changed in the climate for the negative, it totally outweighs that.
00:06:37.200And you can see this with the data that I share frequently is we have a 98% decline in the rate of what's called climate related disaster deaths.
00:06:45.580So these are deaths from storms and floods and temperature extremes and wildfires.
00:06:50.780If you just think about it, then what does this really show?
00:06:54.120What it shows is that the livability of the climate and in particular, the safety of the climate is a product of two things.
00:07:02.180One is what's the actual state of the global climate system and then the local climate you happen to live in.
00:07:08.040But then the other thing is what's your level of mastery of it?
00:07:12.080And that's what determines the climate livability.
00:08:05.780Whenever the climate conditions, including the weather conditions, we can thrive.
00:08:10.080We can, as I like to say, we can flourish.
00:08:12.600And so what that shows is that the real thing that matters to climate livability is climate mastery.
00:08:18.720Now, what does this have to do with fossil fuels?
00:08:20.460Well, one thing is if we have a high level of mastery, you just generally shouldn't be afraid of new climate challenges unless they're a total difference of kind.
00:08:28.140So the fact that we're so obsessed with climate change doesn't really make any sense because it's one of the things we're better at dealing with.
00:08:36.720I mean, we've supposedly had so much full climate change over the last hundred years, and yet we're safer that we're much safer than ever from climate.
00:08:43.140So one thing is to just reassure people and stop terrorizing kids.
00:08:46.500And then the other thing is, if you look at what causes the mastery, it's hugely the fossil fuels we're blaming for causing the climate change.
00:08:56.620So it's the fossil fuels are powering the irrigation systems that help make drought 1-100 threat it used to be.
00:09:03.100The fossil fuels are powering all the machines that build the sturdy buildings and power the storm warning systems and the evacuation systems that make us safe from storms.
00:09:12.420Of course, they're powering the heating and air conditioning.
00:09:14.620So it's so odd because actually fossil fuels are making climate far more livable when you look at it from a human livability perspective, and yet they're demonized as climate villains.
00:09:27.860Everyone thinks either fossil fuels are terrible for the climate or they're not so bad, but it's actually, they're the best thing that's ever happened to the livability of climate.
00:09:36.880I think what you're saying, if I, and again, I don't want to nitpick, but it's sort of interesting your phrase, would I rather live in the climate today or 100 years ago or 100 years from now?
00:09:46.420The answer really isn't based on the climate itself because it can be pretty similar.
00:09:53.740So there was nothing particularly wrong with the climate 100 years ago or 500 years ago.
00:09:58.280It's that we didn't have the tools to deal with it.
00:10:01.680So what you're really saying is human ingenuity is the difference.
00:10:07.300And although, I mean, let me read another one of your tweets because it's interesting.
00:10:10.500You said, it's an irrefutable but little known fact that as the world has warmed one degree Celsius, humans have become safer than ever from climate danger.
00:10:21.520The rate of climate-related disaster deaths, and you mentioned that, has fallen 98%.
00:10:26.160So you acknowledge that the earth has very slowly, very gradually warmed.
00:10:32.280But you're saying as it's warmed, our ability to deal with warmth, droughts, whatever, has improved greatly.
00:10:40.480It's not the climate change is a snail's pace, but our technological change is at a breakneck pace.
00:10:46.340Right. The way I put it is, right, the climate mastery far outpaces any new climate challenges.
00:10:55.540And part of the reason I put it as climate challenges, which is a bit of a new phraseology for me, is that actually things in climate aren't really negative unless you can't master them.
00:11:07.880So you take something like, okay, well, the world gets warmer in certain kinds of ways, but then you can benefit from that.
00:11:14.900I mean, look at the migration in the United States.
00:11:17.160I mean, people moving to Texas and Florida, like, they don't mind that in many, many ways.
00:11:22.860I mean, people are going from New York to Florida.
00:11:24.560That's a much more dramatic climate change than any catastrophist projects for the earth, right?
00:12:21.960They make us pay a fortune to live here, and we have to deal with Gavin Newsom.
00:12:25.140I think in the future, three-year places are going to try to replicate a California-esque climate.
00:12:31.640And that's part of the project of climate mastery, and it's part of why it's insane for the world to be obsessed with relatively small changes in temperature
00:12:39.080when we should be obsessed with increasing our mastery over the earth.
00:12:43.940You know, a fellow McAleer, I think, is the one who – maybe it's you.
00:12:48.000Maybe I'm confusing my climate contrarians, but he points out that if you look at where life is most abundant on earth,
00:12:57.660both human life and plant and animal life, it's actually in the warmer parts, in the tropics.
00:13:03.420There's no 20-million-person cities north of the Arctic Circle.
00:13:35.040Like, they – I really think they've resorted to almost like science fiction terminology to scare us.
00:13:41.800I think they've done a number on it, on us.
00:13:44.380I think there's a whole generation of kids who are growing up just the way our generation was maybe afraid of nuclear, mutually assured destruction.
00:13:53.960And I think there was a basis for that fear, think of our own.
00:13:56.980I think that we've conditioned an entire era of school children to be terrified of the planet warming a fraction of a degree.
00:14:11.340I think we've done a number on our own kids.
00:14:15.640I agree, and I would think of that as it's sort of the second point.
00:14:18.680So the first point about climate is mastery is what matters most.
00:14:22.920And that should make us suspicious of this movement.
00:14:27.400You know, the people claim to care about the livability of climate, that they ignore mastery.
00:14:31.800They don't seem to care about mastery when that makes all the difference.
00:14:35.240They say, oh, I'm so concerned about the poor world.
00:14:37.360Let's have them use less energy so somehow the climate will be nicer to them versus let's get them energy so they can protect themselves as well as we can.
00:14:44.720So there's this one element of ignoring mastery.
00:14:47.240But then the other thing that should be suspicious is what you're raising, which is the demonizing of warmth.
00:14:53.060I don't know if it's thermophobia or whatever.
00:14:56.300But, yeah, if you just think from a human perspective, and I'm stressing that for a reason because I think it's ultimately an anti-human philosophy that causes people to ignore mastery and to have a fear and hatred of any kind of human change, including warmth.
00:15:13.300And somebody had told you, somebody had told people in 1920, hey, you know what, in 100 years, the global climate system is going to be about a degree Celsius warmer.
00:15:21.980It's about two degrees Fahrenheit for Americans.
00:15:24.380And that one is going to be mostly concentrated in older regions of the earth.
00:15:28.260And it's going to be more at night and it's going to be more in the winter.
00:15:33.800And you're going to have a lot more CO2 for plants.
00:15:36.360Like, are they really going to think, oh, my God, how could we live through that?
00:15:40.440Like, they'd probably think, well, that might actually be good.
00:15:43.640There's going to be a lot of benefits to that, a lot fewer cold-related deaths.
00:15:47.320And it turns out many times more people die from cold than from heat now, let alone back to then.
00:15:52.580So you would just think, like, it's either no big deal or it could even be better.
00:15:58.420And so what you get is people are acting like mastery doesn't exist and they're acting like warmth is a catastrophe when it's kind of obviously not, particularly with mastery.
00:16:11.100But even on its own, it's pretty obviously not.
00:16:13.680And so there's this question of what is behind this.
00:16:16.420And I talk about this a lot in my book, Fossil Future.
00:16:18.600And what's behind it is ultimately that people at best are not looking at climate from a pro-human perspective.
00:16:28.360Because from a pro-human perspective, the project of using fossil fuels to master climate and creating some warming as a side effect isn't an incredibly pro-climate project from a human perspective.
00:16:40.220And so ultimately it's that they're looking at it from an impact is evil perspective or what I call the anti-impact framework.
00:16:47.880So it's the view that it's wrong for us to impact nature and our number one goal should be to eliminate our impact on nature.
00:16:55.340And if you view climate that way, you think our number one goal for climate shouldn't be make it livable.
00:17:55.940I'm not saying there aren't some people who can't afford an air conditioner in hot places, but I guess what I'm saying is I feel like the places that have had the greatest change in their ability to master the climate are not California or Canada, but India, China.
00:18:15.320Places that have gone from zero to, let's say, people who have come so far compared to us.
00:18:24.940Yes, we're wealthier than ever, but we had a good starting point, let's say, 50 years ago.
00:18:29.360I guess what I'm saying is I think that global warming fear mongering is a luxury good primarily in the West that has benefited from climate mastery.
00:18:44.020I think of Greta Thunberg as the absolute epitome of that, someone who hasn't had a tough day in their entire life, someone who lives in a northern country who benefits from climate mastery every day.
00:18:57.520She can afford to have a school strike, even though she's in her 20s now.
00:19:02.180She can afford to pout about energy because she's not someone in India, China, Indonesia, Africa trying to rise up.
00:19:11.000I think the global warming mindset is a luxury good for spoiled Westerners.
00:19:22.540I mean, if you look at somebody like Greta, I think there has to be some empathy as well because people are so, they're given so much catastrophe in their upbringing.
00:19:32.280So it's weird because they're taught that the best Earth ever to live on is the worst Earth ever.
00:19:37.680And they're, you know, Greta becomes less innocent by the day because she's now an adult.
00:19:42.540But you just think, yeah, people have this legitimate fear and they have this legit, I mean, it's not actually based on anything, but it's real fear, particularly for the younger people.
00:19:52.420I think the older people, not nearly as much.
00:19:55.020And they just think it's a transgression.
00:19:57.020They really think it's immoral to impact the Earth and in particular impact the climate.
00:20:02.600But, yeah, it is, in fact, it's true it's a luxury and you can see this with the actual emphasis that people place on climate change.
00:20:12.200You know, you would think that, hey, in African nations, regular people would be so concerned about climate change that it allegedly hurts them the most.
00:20:19.740And in a sense, any negative thing, any negative element of climate change will, of course, hurt the poor the most because everything negative hurts the poor the most because to be poor means to have less mastery.
00:20:30.160That's ultimately what it is to have fewer resources.
00:20:32.740That means you have fewer capabilities, which means you have less mastery.
00:20:35.580But in practice, people in those nations, they want things like education, food, shelter, et cetera.
00:20:43.080A friend of mine that I've had some influence over, a guy named Jasper Machogu, people can find on Twitter, he has a pretty entertaining Twitter account.
00:20:51.640And what he does is, you know, because he's grown up in a manual labor world in Kenya, like he'll just show videos of like, hey, this is what we do every day.
00:20:59.020And he has a really good motto, which is just stop toil.
00:21:06.640And the key is you stop toil via fossil fuels, which allow you to use more machines.
00:21:11.720And he's actually been like bringing electricity and stuff and water to communities.
00:21:15.980But like he has, I think, the attitude that many do, particularly that many would if they understood the issue better, which is like, why are you talking about small changes in temperature when we're focused on eating and education?
00:21:27.900And all of these other things and sanitation and health care that require a lot more energy.
00:21:34.020So it is, in that sense, very much a luxury belief, but it's not simply a luxury.
00:21:39.620Like if you own a Maybach or something like that, you're not doing that at the expense of other people, right?
00:21:45.700You're actually, there are probably poorer people who are employed to make the Maybach and maybe you have somebody drive the Maybach for you.
00:21:51.660But this is a luxury belief that harms the people who are worse off.
00:21:56.380Right. Especially the idea of buying a carbon offset.
00:22:02.240You're basically saying, I deeply believe the carbon dioxide is evil, but I'm going to pay to buy my way out of it morally and someone else can pay the price.
00:22:10.920I think there's some colonialism, some imperialism, some snobbery there.
00:22:16.180Hey, let me ask you a question about the world's most interesting man.
00:22:20.420I think, you know, just saying those words, I think we all know it's Elon Musk.
00:22:23.500He's a scientist. He's a public intellectual of sorts.
00:22:38.360And the question is, if you're running on electricity in California, does that mean you're actually running on coal?
00:22:44.380So I was a skeptic and I still am somewhat skeptical of electric cars.
00:22:50.240But despite that skepticism, I've become enamored with the man.
00:22:55.340I mean, whatever carbon he saves on Tesla, he more than emits with his rocket ships, which are the most carbon intensive machines ever created in the history.
00:23:04.700I see in Elon Musk what's sometimes called a techno-optimist, somebody who says there's problems out there for sure, but we can use our brains to overcome them.
00:23:18.020He wants to do so much as even to settle Mars.
00:23:21.420I think what you're talking about could be called techno-optimism, am I right?
00:23:28.000That technology will allow us to master a cold or a hot world.
00:23:33.760In fact, technology could even master an unlivable place like Mars.
00:23:46.960I mean, describing it as optimism is a little bit – that can make it seem wishful, whereas I think it's just very objective to recognize the power of human mastery.
00:23:57.760I mean, yeah, of course you can imagine a meteor hits us or something like this that before we're prepared for it or something like that.
00:24:03.960But in general, just we are very good.
00:24:06.620I mean, what you think about what a good environment is.
00:24:08.920It's something with a lot of resources and very true threats.
00:24:12.700Like at a high level, that's what a good environment is.
00:24:15.480And we have the ability to create resources, and we have the ability to neutralize threats.
00:25:07.920The only thing you need to understand is that the mechanism by which resource creation and threat neutralization function is the human mind being unleashed in a free society,
00:25:17.640where it's free to think and act to both create resources and neutralize threats.
00:25:21.400Like, if you get that, your optimism is all around, it's almost determined, not that determinism is right, specifically, not that an exact outcome is determined.
00:25:31.680But in general, if you have a free society that respects property rights, yeah, then you're going to have more resources, fewer threats, fast innovation.
00:25:40.400It's going to get better and better. There will be new problems, but you'll solve them.
00:25:44.780And so I think, yeah, in that sense, I think Elon and I are aligned.
00:25:48.920I think he used to be much less aligned, if you look at his public posture.
00:25:52.660His public posture used to be pretty crazy with climate, because he basically would at the same time say,
00:25:58.480hey, I believe we can master climate enough to terraform Mars.
00:26:02.640So on the one hand, we can make Mars livable, but then he'd say, you know what, like, a couple degrees of climate change is a catastrophe.
00:26:11.920Like, if you look at the speech he gave when he introduced the power wall, it was just the earth on fire.
00:26:17.280It was all of that fire and brimstone imagery.
00:26:20.920And since then, he's gotten a lot better. He's become more pro-fossil fuel, but he's also with climate stuff.
00:26:26.280He hasn't quite embraced climate mastery and its implications enough.
00:26:29.760But he'll say, like, yeah, this is, you know, this is a long-term thing. Don't worry that much.
00:27:05.940So the thing with nuclear is like you can think of it as the nuclear industry has basically been enslaved.
00:27:12.540Worse than enslaved, actually, because they've just been unallowed to function.
00:27:16.380Nuclear, we had such a promising industry.
00:27:18.700Canada is a bit better than the U.S., but in the U.S., you know, we're a really promising industry that was competitive with all the late 60s, early 70s.
00:27:27.860And it should have actually gotten a lot cheaper since then.
00:27:30.420And it just became unimaginably expensive, unimaginably delayed because of all these irrational regulations by ultimately an anti-technology government, or particularly what's called the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
00:27:41.960So when you have that level of destruction of a profound value, anyone who knows anything should just be like very loudly saying, this is evil, what we're doing to nuclear.
00:28:25.760You know, the demonization of carbon, which is one of the most common elements out there, has always been perplexing.
00:28:35.100I mean, it's on the periodic table of the elements.
00:28:38.680How can you go to war against one of the most common elements in which really everything we do, carbon dioxide, carbohydrates, we're made of carbon.
00:28:47.440And I found it bizarre, and I was reminded how bizarre it was when I was interviewing Geert Wilders, the Dutch politician, and he talked about the war on nitrogen that's being waged in the Netherlands.
00:29:01.580And it was shocking to hear that because we never hear that.
00:29:05.540And it reminded me of how kooky our war on carbon is.
00:29:11.060I mean, Netherlands is actually one of the world's most productive food exporters, even though it's a relatively small country.
00:29:18.640And they're going to war against nitrogen for environmental reasons.
00:29:22.420And it really is so similar to the war against carbon for energy reasons.
00:29:28.700And between the war on carbon and the war on nitrogen and how both make the cost of energy higher and the cost of food higher, I thought there's a real similarity there.
00:29:38.840It's sort of an anti-people agenda in both cases.
00:29:42.740I mean, if you want to happy people, have cheap, plentiful food and energy.
00:29:48.600I mean, that's really half the battle.
00:30:05.100And I think how you get there is you look at there are two very conspicuous things about being anti-carbon and anti-nitrogen.
00:30:12.020One is they're overly focused, to say the least, on negative side effects, whether it's of fossil fuel use or of fertilizer.
00:30:20.660So they're not looking at the enormous life or death benefits of those things.
00:30:25.680That's one thing, is they're just focusing and fixating on negative side effects.
00:30:29.420The other thing is they're using the ultimate non-scientific oversimplification.
00:30:35.040If you're concerned about certain levels of CO2, then say, okay, I'm concerned about rising CO2 levels.
00:30:41.260But just to be anti-carbon, a basic element that is the basis of all life, how is that scientific?
00:30:47.620And the same thing with nitrogen, this incredibly common element in our atmosphere that, again, we need to live.
00:30:53.060So I think what it captures is that these are two forms of being irrational, of just fixating on negative side effects and of using totally non-scientific terminology.
00:31:03.420And I think it's ultimately because what they're really against is what they would call the unnatural.
00:31:09.260But what they call the unnatural is really just the man-made.
00:31:12.880So what, because that's what they mean.
00:31:15.200They think of humans as unnatural and what we, everything we do and we make is unnatural and unnatural is bad.
00:31:22.380And I think we're the best part of nature.
00:31:24.920That's why we can do things like potentially colonize Mars.
00:31:28.520And, you know, this is how, like, the ancient Greeks thought, like, they had the ode to man, how great man is compared to the others.
00:31:34.300We're certainly the most capable species.
00:31:36.560But if you have this view that we're unnatural and therefore bad, then you just have this visceral leading opposition to any kind of impact that we have.
00:31:48.000And you just fixate on that because that's all you care about.
00:31:50.200And it relates to is your goal to eliminate human impact on Earth or is it to advance human flourishing on Earth?
00:31:57.100If it's the first, then, yeah, you just hate anything we create.
00:32:00.400So if we introduce a new form of carbon or additional carbon dioxide, that's bad.
00:32:04.400If we introduce nitrogen in different forms, that's bad and that's all you can think about.
00:32:11.820You violated the commandment, thou shalt not impact nature.
00:32:15.120But if your goal is advancing human flourishing on Earth, the way in which we're introducing carbon and nitrogen, that is part of a huge net benefit.
00:32:22.400And if you have any concerns about it, you address it in the context of the net benefit.
00:32:26.320You say, oh, maybe there's a way to do it more efficiently.
00:32:28.380But you don't want to deprive people of it.
00:32:30.400And you certainly don't try to ban practical energy or practical fertilizer.
00:32:36.740His first book was The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels, which I really loved.
00:32:41.880And more recently, he came out with Fossil Future, Why Global Human Flourishing Requires More Oil, Coal and Natural Gas, Not Less.
00:32:51.200Hey, Alex, let me ask you one last question.
00:32:54.380And if I think of how environmental politics was first sort of a radical thing and then it was just sort of a partisan thing, and now it's so ubiquitous.
00:33:05.600I think most of the people pushing the global warming fear mongering, they don't even realize they're doing something political.
00:33:11.540And they're shocked when they find people who disagree.
00:33:17.820It's become so normalized and the indoctrination is so total.
00:33:22.240And I'm thinking in particular of schools.
00:33:24.980Give me some reason for hope that we can emerge from this junk science driven anti-human ideology.
00:33:52.440And again, I never try to have it as just a whole thing.
00:33:55.840But just if I look at some dynamics going on.
00:33:58.980So one dynamic that's not the most important but is important is that as the anti-fossil fuel policies have led to very marked declines in different aspects of life.
00:34:09.020So in the United States, really wrecking the reliability of our grid, which people are noticing, what people noticed with opposition to oil and gas domestically and trading with allies, they saw the vulnerability that we had with Russia, particularly that Germany had with Russia.
00:34:24.200So people are starting to see, wow, these anti-fossil fuel policies that we were promised would have no cost to them, only benefit.
00:34:33.000And maybe that's because fossil fuels have a lot of benefits that are unique at this point in history and that we're being deprived of.
00:34:39.320And I've never seen people in the 17 years I've been on this issue more open to positive ideas about fossil fuels because they're seeing what happens when you consistently oppose them.
00:34:50.960Although I shouldn't even say consistently because we've only gone 1% in the net zero direction.
00:34:57.940We haven't done anywhere near net zero anywhere.
00:35:02.320So one is there's the crisis has the only silver lining.
00:35:05.840It's an educational opportunity that's waking people up.
00:35:08.580And then the second thing is I would say, and this is something I've been part of, is we now have much better arguments available to us than we did when I started 17 years ago.
00:35:19.040And I've done this in my books, particularly the recent one, Fossil Future.
00:35:23.220But in particular, I've created a vehicle, Energy Talking Points, which everyone can access for free at energytalkingpoints.com, that basically gives you all the answers to every single energy, environmental, and climate question that could ever come up.
00:35:34.960And then we also have an AI now, which people can find on the App Store.
00:35:38.640If you search like AlexGPT, it's technically called AlexAI.
00:35:42.600And that now answers every question as me.
00:35:57.920And now we've been seeing, you know, dozens and dozens of politicians using these points.
00:36:02.220And the U.S. presidential candidates talking about 98% decline in climate-related disaster deaths, just like I am.
00:36:08.600And that's because we've taken the knowledge of how to frame things and how to explain things and made it scalable for the masses.
00:36:15.960And that means every ally, of course, you included, Ezra, will have an easier time telling the truth and their followers can tell the truth.
00:36:23.260So I think I've created kind of a scalable solution to going against this behemoth.
00:36:27.600Because you obviously can't out-advertise them, right?