EZRA LEVANT ｜ Canadian government pays academics to spy on Rebel News and other conservative outlets
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The Canadian government pays academics to spy on Rebel News and other conservative news outlets. I'll give you the details. It's a controversial thing they're doing, but I don't think anyone disputes that it's happening. You're fighting for freedom, you censorious bug.
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Hello, my friends. I can't believe it, but it's a government study, so it must be true.
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Rebel News is the fifth busiest or fifth most engaged news website in Canada. Well,
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the government says it. It must be true. I'll show you the report. That's ahead. But first,
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but boy, it adds up for us. That's how we keep the lights on here because we don't take any money
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from Trudeau, and it shows. All right, here's today's show. Tonight, the Canadian government
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pays academics to, you know, spy on Rebel News and other conservative news outlets.
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I'll give you the details. It's June 12th, and this is The Ezra LeVance Show.
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You're fighting for freedom. Shame on you, you censorious bug.
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You know, the government spies on us all the time. Sometimes they acknowledge that they're doing
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it. Sometimes they sort of keep it in the gray areas. Remember during the lockdowns when they
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basically compelled the cell phone companies to give the government data on where their users were
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to track us using GPS. We know, of course, that the government regularly pressures social media
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companies to throttle or suspend accounts they don't like. I don't think anything I'm saying here
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is controversial that it's happening. It's a controversial thing they're doing, but I don't
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think anyone disputes that it's happening. Of course, they can outright spy on you and your
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personal matters. That's what the ArriveCan app was, a giant piece of spyware, malware, as they say.
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You had to tell the government or anyone in a uniform really at an airport what your personal
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health details were. What an outrage. But they've actually codified and institutionalized this spying
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when it comes to conservative or populist media. Now, they don't call it spying, and I suppose in
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some ways it could be research, but they fund so-called misinformation and disinformation experts
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to spy on the websites they don't like, including Rebel News. I don't know what a misinformation or
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disinformation expert is. That's basically another way of saying figuring out what's true or not.
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I think all of us go through life trying to figure out what's true, and sometimes we're wrong
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accidentally, and sometimes some people lie on purpose. I've never heard a government-funded
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disinformation or misinformation expert ever fact-check a government source, though, and that
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tells you everything you need to know. The fact-checkers only check facts one way, and much of the time
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when they say they're checking facts, they're actually checking opinions. Nonetheless, I want to
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bring to your attention a study that I saw today. It was actually highlighted by one of my favorite
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independent news sources called Black Locks. It's a study published by the Canadian Digital Media
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Research Network. Doesn't that sound fancy and authoritative, as if that's even a thing? Well,
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they have something they publish called a Situation Report. Canadian Information Ecosystem Situation Report.
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Technical briefing on the state of the information ecosystem. And you can see on the screen
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there may report. Of course, all of that is BS. They have the dramatic language situation report,
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as if it's like a military briefing, as if there's some true scholarship underneath it. They do that,
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I think, because that's how they get funding. They know the buzzwords to say when they write to
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bureaucrats looking for huge grants. And just as five, ten years ago, you could get any money you wanted
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just by parenting a global warming or climate change line. And now you can do so when you talk about
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transgenderism or Islamophobia. You'll just back up the dump truck and fill up with taxpayer cash.
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The new hot area of scholarship is misinformation and disinformation. And so universities, whose main
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job, as you can tell, is raising funds. That's why they bring in so many foreign students. They charge
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them a premium and make a profit. It's not about scholarship. University presidents that are always
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hunting for cash have realized that if they set up these disinformation observatories, they'll get
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cash, especially if they study Trudeau's enemies. Which brings me to the latest report of the Situation
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Report. Let me point out right on the front page, key findings. Ecosystem influence is highly concentrated
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in a number of voices. Do you think that's true? Do you think that online, where everyone has a
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Facebook account, Instagram, Twitter, Snapchat, TikTok, whatever you're on, do you really think
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the voices are more concentrated now than ever? Or do you actually think, as I do, that opinions are
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more diffuse than ever? In the past, we only had CTV, Global, and CBC, and we all had to tune in at the
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same time. We couldn't seek our own news. I think there's more news choices now than ever in history.
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There's just, it's just that so many of those that are out there don't happen to toe the line of the
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government. I'll keep reading. The Canadian information ecosystem, could you imagine using
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that language with a straight face? That's how you get grants, folks. Remains highly unequal. Is that
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what you say? Unequal? Are you talking about the CBC getting all the money? No, they're talking about
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people like you and me. With a small number of accounts receiving a super majority of engagement.
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Is that really true, that a handful of accounts get more engagement than the rest of people combined?
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That's what super majority means. Or again, are they just using these buzzwords to get grants?
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This inequality remains even more extreme for media outlets, with the top five media organizations,
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CTV, Global News, CBC, The Postmillennial, and Rebel News, receiving approximately 65% of all news
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engagement across social media platforms. Is that true? I mean, I like to boast about Rebel News. It's
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sort of my job. But are we really that big? I mean, I'd like to think we are. But come on,
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most Canadians actually haven't even heard of us. I don't know if you remember, we took a poll a couple
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years ago. Now, half of Canadians had heard of us. But to say that we're one of the top five dominant
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sources, I want to believe it. But these folks have a purpose. A purpose is to scare the government
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into A, passing censorship laws, and B, most importantly, giving them more money. I'll continue.
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They say misinformation producing websites receives significant attention. While overall volume of
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misinformation content in the ecosystem is low, there is high engagement with content linking to known
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misinformation producing websites. Hey, does it count as misinformation when, for example, the CBC state
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broadcaster talks at length about how vaccines are 100% safe? They used to say that. Safe and effective.
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They used to say that, too. Is that ever considered misinformation? Or is only things that criticize the
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government considered misinformation? I want to flip ahead to the part where they focus on Rebel News,
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because, of course, in some ways I'm flattered that someone is earning millions of dollars to
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invest, to watch Rebel News for a living. Wouldn't that be nice? They talk about their findings as if
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this was some sort of investigation. Engagement with Canadian news outlets is more unequal than the
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overall ecosystem with a Gini coefficient of 0.955. That's a mathematical statistics formula. We find the top
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five Canadian outlets that attract the most engagement are CTV, Global News, CBC, the Post Millennial,
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and Rebel News. Well, of course, I'm flattered, but I don't quite believe it. And one of the reasons I
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don't believe it is because they have the Post Millennial on there. Now, I like the Post Millennial
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just fine. Some of them are my friends for while I was a subscriber. But about a year or two ago,
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they were bought by a U.S. website called Human Events. And they have maybe one full-time Canadian
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reporter left, but the vast majority of their work is American. And they're very good at it,
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by the way. I read their stuff every day. But to put that in a list of Canadian websites shows that
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these folks are working on some outdated enemies list. The Post Millennial was founded in Canada,
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for sure. And they were an ardent critic of Trudeau, for sure. But that really hasn't been the case
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for years. I think their office is in the States now. It shows that these academics don't really care
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about getting out of their office and doing investigations. They just want to pander to
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the biases of the grant givers. Trudeau. I'll keep reading. Collectively, they received 64.9% of all
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engagement with news content. Do you believe it? Do you believe that those five news sites I've just
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listed to you have the majority of all news interactions in the country? I'm sorry, I just
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don't believe it. I think they're lying. I think they're engaged in misinformation.
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Local news outlets received just 24.6% of all engagement with news content. Now, why do you
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think they might lie? Can you sort of pick it up there? Oh, five, you know, these five companies
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dominate and local news coverage isn't followed. Can you see where they're going with this? I can.
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This is to justify giving grants to local media. That's what this is all about. But look at that
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chart there, just for one last moment. Top five Canadian news outlets. What are the top five
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Canadian news outlets? What is their share of total engagement? You can see CTV has 25.1%.
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Global News has 11.8%. CBC has 11.2%, which is astonishing, given that they get, what, $1.5 billion
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a year. You would think they were bigger than all else combined. 10% for the post-millennial.
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And there we are, Rebel News at 6.7%. Now, again, I'm a skeptic. But just for a moment,
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put away your disbelief. I mean, never trust these experts. But just for a moment, accept it on face
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value. Rebel News right now has, I think, 41 staff, including me. 41. The CBC has thousands.
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The CBC budget from government money alone is $1.5 billion. It's more than 100 times bigger than
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Rebel News. They get 100 times more money. And they have more than 100 times more staff. They've
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got about 200 times as much staff. And we're 60% as large as them in terms of engagement.
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If that's true, and again, I don't believe a thing these guys say, if that's true, imagine how
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awful the government propaganda has to be that people would come to us in such numbers and avoid
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them in such numbers. It's maybe not astonishing that we're popular, but it's astonishing, given
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how much money there is behind the CBC, how unpopular they are. They're still forced into
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every cable package in Canada. You cannot get a cable package in Canada without being forced to
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subscribe to and pay for the CBC. What I'm getting from this study is no one believes them. No one
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even pays attention to them. People are thirsty for alternative points of view. And the government
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and any greedy professor looking for a handout is only too happy to smear independent news as a
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By some measures, the Hamas terrorist attack on southern Israel on October 7th was a failure.
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They didn't hold any land. All the terrorists who went into Israel were killed, at least the ones who
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didn't retweet quickly back into Gaza. Gaza itself has been flattened, utterly destroyed. Hamas has
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lost many of its commanders. And yet there's a jubilation from Hamas and its supporters around the
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world, especially in the West. Why would that be? It's not enough simply to point to the slaughter of
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over 1,200 Jews on the day of and 200 hostages later. I think that it was a starter pistol. It was a
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moment where Muslim extremists around the world thought, we can do it. We can actually win this battle,
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even though by every military measure, it was a loss. There's a psychological win. I saw some people use the
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phrase that day that Gaza broke out of jail. There was a feeling of victory in the air that the
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Palestinians have not had in decades. Contrary-wise, when Israel liberated four hostages just a few days
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ago, that was much more than a, you know, rescuing of four Jews to the Hamas side. You could tell it
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deflated them because they saw that their likelihood of a total victory was not as assured as they
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convinced itself it might be. And so I'm very interested in a new book that talks about the
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psychology of this. The book is by our friend Dr. Daniel Pipes of the Middle East Forum. It's called
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Israel Victory, How Zionists Win Acceptance and Palestinians Get Liberated. It's for sale now on
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Amazon. Dr. Pipes joins us now. Well, great to see you again. Help me understand the point of your
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book. Is it a psychological point? Is it the psychology of winning and losing?
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Well, I'm a historian, so there's a good bit of history in it. The first half explains how we got
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into this mess, and the second half suggests a way to get out of it. And the first half, the mess,
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how we got into it, goes back to the 1880s and argues that on the two sides, Palestinian and Israel,
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mind you, Palestinian, not Arab state, Palestinian, what one finds 140 years, 140 years of eccentric,
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unique, counterproductive, and bizarre mentality is. On the Palestinian side, you have a mentality of
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rejectionism. No, no, no. Note everything Jewish, Israeli, Zionist. No. This made sense in the 1880s when
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the Palestinians were a very large number compared to the Zionists. It is absurd at present when the
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roles are reversed. And Israel has the F-35s, and the high rises, and the Palestinians have neither.
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And yet, it remains in place, essentially unchanged through all this time. On the Israeli side, in
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contrast, you have an approach of conciliation, which again made sense in the 1880s. Hey, Palestinians,
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we will help you get richer. You will be better off by cooperating with us. Accept us. It's win-win.
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We'll all be better off. This made sense in the 1880s when the Zionists were weak and few. It does
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not make sense today when they are strong. And yet, these two strange, and I say unique, I don't see
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them anywhere else in the world, mentalities continue. What to do about it? Well, I think it's up to the
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Israelis to recognize the error of their ways and to help the Palestinians find a way to end
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rejectionism. It's up to the Israelis to break rejectionism. It's up to the Israelis to win by
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inflicting a sense of defeat upon the Palestinians.
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You know, I think it was Kissinger who said the Palestinians never miss an opportunity
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to miss an opportunity. And you can understand if that was him or others have used that phrase,
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Abba Eben. Thank you. The Israeli diplomat and political leader.
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When Bill Clinton was the president, there was no more frequent guest to the White House
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than Yasser Arafat. And Clinton went to great lengths to twist the arm of Israel to give
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not just everything the Palestinians demanded, but plus there were certain, you know, square miles here
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and there that Israel would reserve, but Palestinians were given more elsewhere in recompense. And at the
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last minute, Arafat said, there's no way I can accept this win because I'll be killed for not rejecting
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anything and everything. The whole thing was a dance. And Bill Clinton was appalled by that. He was,
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even for a president, he was naive about that. And I think that even though Gaza is rubble,
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they still believe that from that they can get success. And by the way, maybe they're not wrong.
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Ireland, Spain, Norway have all said they recognize Palestine as a state.
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At the United Nations, even Canada has turned against Israel.
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Maybe the Palestinians aren't wrong. Maybe they should keep rejecting things forever.
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I mean, how would you tell a Palestinian not to keep rejecting things forever if they're getting things
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from it? Well, I was hoping you would ask. My policy recommendation is twofold. First, I want the
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Israelis, with our support, to destroy Hamas, which it's trying to do, and to eliminate the
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Palestinian Authority. Hamas has to be fought and defeated violently. The Palestinian Authority can be
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made to disappear simply by stopping to fund it. It would be quite simple. The Israelis, however,
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are not in the mood to do that, but I think they should. And secondly, here's the key point,
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and I think the original point. I believe there is, at this point, after all these decades,
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a substantial body of West Bankers and Gazans who've had enough. But the problem is the Israelis
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don't focus on them. Israelis tend to assume that the Palestinians are an inherent enemy. They have
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always been and will always be. They make no efforts. I draw the comparison to lions and hyenas,
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permanent enemies. And I'm saying no. I think if you look closely, if you look at the intellectuals,
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if you look at the religious people and others, you see that there are voices, significant voices,
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Israeli Muslim citizens, the Arabs of Jerusalem, West Bankers, Gaza residents who have had enough,
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especially in Gaza. They've had enough. And I do believe that the Israelis, through intelligent,
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persistent, determined work, can find allies among the Palestinians. And the first place will be in
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Gaza. I believe a day after Samaria should be Israel working with Gazans to create what I call a decent
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Gaza. I believe that's possible. You don't need the Palestinian Authority. You don't need the Arab
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States. You don't need the United Nations. You don't need Western armies. Israel, on its own,
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working with the right Gazans, can set up an administration, police force, educational system,
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and the like that will be decent. Now, not great. Not a place where you or I would want to live,
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but a place like, say, Egypt or Jordan, where if you keep your nose clean and stay out of politics,
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don't insult the rulers, you can live a perfectly fine life. That's, I believe, the aspiration Israel
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should have. And it's a radical difference from what they've done in the past. They have not
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tried this at all. I believe the time has come for them to try to work with the right Palestinians
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against the wrong Palestinians. There are 20, 25 percent of Palestinians who are ready to work with
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Well, I'm not quite as optimistic as you are. Let me put it that way. Although I note that there was
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a period of years when a terrorist group called ISIS, the Islamic State, not only was ascendant,
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they had territory. They could say, we have a state. We have cities. We have social services. We do
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infrastructure. We, like, they were not granted political recognition like Norway, Spain, and Ireland
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did, but they actually had a bit of a country. They had a sort of a border. Yeah, and the size of
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Great Britain, by the way. Yeah, and, but my point is, they were an inspiration to Islamists around the
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world. When I went to the Nineveh Plain in Iraq, when ISIS was on the retreat, I saw Islamic graffiti
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in a Christian church that had been desecrated. That graffiti was in German, and the reason I
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mention that is that Islamists from the entire world were so enthused and excited. They all went
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to Raqqa. They all went to Mosul to be part of this project. They thought, it's finally here. We're on
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the march, and for a few years, they could actually claim they were. Now, no one would even mention the
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word ISIS, because they were defeated and ground into powder, and no one is inspired by them. I
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think that would and will happen when Hamas is finally extinguished. If its total boss is killed
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or captured, then I think you would see the deflation and demoralization, at least among some
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quarters. Is that, is that the thinking here? And is that why Joe Biden seems to be doing everything
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he can to delay Israel from extinguishing Hamas? Well, two points there. First, I think we're in
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agreement. You do, by drawing the comparison with ISIS, see the possibility of a similar such process
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in Gaza. Good. You don't think I'm more optimistic. You're optimistic, too. Secondly, about Joe Biden.
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Joe Biden, his innate sympathy is with Israel, but as you're probably aware, there's an election coming up
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for presidency of the United States in five months, and he has a wing of his party that's vociferous
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and despises his will. So he's trying to find a combination that will both be true to himself
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and keep him the votes of this left wing. The result is an oxymoronic policy that makes no sense,
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and it's an absurdity. But I don't think he has malign intentions. I think he just
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has a conflict between his own personal approach and what he perceives as the needs for his re-election.
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And the result is a mishmash that is incomprehensible and ineffectual and a failure.
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Let me ask you one last question, because I hear what you're saying about people in Gaza or the West Bank
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just saying, we've got to move on. We have to live our lives, although there is a bit of a death cult,
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certainly, in some quarters. But a lot of the decisions, I would imagine, are not being made in Gaza,
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but by Iran, which is as implacable as ever. And I think that the most audacious protests in support
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of Hamas are in the West or in London. These days are even in New York and Toronto. And again,
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I think those are orchestrated and funded by external forces, including Iran. So let's say
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you extinguish Hamas in Gaza. I don't think you're going to stop the funders, the organizers,
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the trainers, the strategists on this. I think they're still going to be active. What do you say
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about that? Let me just give you a pertinent example from today to make your point about the
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West versus the Muslim world. As you're aware, in graduation ceremonies throughout the West,
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there have been disruptions by the anti-Israel types. Well, at the NYU, New York University campus
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in Abu Dhabi, the keffiyeh and other symbols were banned just today, yesterday. So in Abu Dhabi,
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they're banned. In New York, they're fine. Isn't that interesting? You know, by the way,
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the keffiyeh is known as the hipster swastika. Yeah, I've heard that phrase. Well, it's very
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interesting. Daniel Pipes, it's great to catch up. We're talking about your new book called
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Israel Victory, How Zionists Win Acceptance and Palestinians Get Liberated. We'll have a link to
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that book if people want to buy it on Amazon. Listen, I sure hope you're right. There are flickers
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of hope in the region. I've had the pleasure of being in the United Arab Emirates myself, and I was
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blown away by the true peace between them and Israel. And I hope that can get back on track. I think
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that was the greatest, one of the greatest victories that Hamas achieved is stalling the
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Abraham Accords. And I sure hope that can be revived. I hope you and I can keep in touch on
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this subject in the months ahead, because I don't think it's going to be gone anytime soon. There you
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have it, Dr. Daniel Pipes, the boss of the Middle East Forum. Once again, his book is called Israel
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Victory, How Zionists Win Acceptance and Palestinians Get Liberated. Stay with us. More ahead.
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Hey, welcome back. Your letters to me about my report from the St. Anne's Anglican Church.
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Forrest Reel says, anything being torched other than a church would be instantly declared a hate
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crime. You're so right. They wouldn't wait for the facts. What's weird here is that the media
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prejudged saying, oh, there's nothing suspicious. While the investigation was underway, I literally
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talked to the firemen on scene. They said, we're not done investigating. How could people say there
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was nothing suspicious when they were still looking? Multipath says, churches are solid
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structural buildings. Most are built in the days where a lot of effort and detail and solid materials
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went into it. Unlike today, when buildings are made like matchboxes. All these years, some hundreds
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of years, and all the candles lit and no fires until now. Most definitely a who rather than what?
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Oh, yeah. I do not for a second believe that the cathedral at Notre Dame was an electrical
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fire. Those timbers were 800 years old. That's practically petrified. You have a thousand-year-old
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tree trunk. You think that's going to catch fire? You hold a lighter to that thing, you'll
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burn the lighter fluid up before that. It's not going to burn. In fact, the Notre Dame Cathedral
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had a full-time fire brigade stationed in the church. You'll never get me to believe that
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it was not human caused. I think that for it to be published as such would have been such
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a crisis in French politics that the president simply ordered the result to be faked. I'm
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sorry, I believe that if that's a conspiracy theory, so be it. I think the actual conspiracy
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theory is pretending that an electrical fire brought down a church with petrified timbers
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that stood for 800 years and it was announced before the investigation was done. Tagus Man
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says, notice the flags on the church and fire trucks. Ever wonder what country you actually
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live in? You know, I didn't emphasize that in my comments, but all the trucks had a trans
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flag on them. They all did. And the church had a rainbow flag on it too, by the way.
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And I chatted with some of the firemen off camera, and some of them were big rebel supporters.
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And I pointed out that they had a trans flag on the fire truck. I would be surprised if there's
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a single trans fireman in Toronto, but they no longer have the solidarity yellow ribbon with 9-11.
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You know, for the longest time, firemen in Canada had symbolic solidarity stickers with the
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great number of firemen who died on 9-11. Those are gone, but the trans sticker is on there.
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That's Canada in 2024. That's our show for today. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at
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Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night. Keep fighting for freedom.