Rebel News Podcast - May 26, 2022


EZRA LEVANT ｜ Canadian journalists complain that their job is harder than that of our soldiers and firemen — I wish I were kidding


Episode Stats

Length

51 minutes

Words per Minute

171.36969

Word Count

8,897

Sentence Count

400

Misogynist Sentences

4

Hate Speech Sentences

9


Summary

A group of journalists are complaining that their job is so anxious, so stressful, that they have a PTSD rate greater than that of our veterans. I swear they said so. I ll take you through the press release and the underlying report.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. Today, a group of journalist advocates are complaining that their job is so
00:00:04.600 anxious, so stressful, that they have a PTSD rate greater than that of our veterans. I swear they
00:00:13.380 said so. I'll take you through the press release and the underlying report. That's ahead. But first,
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00:00:59.080 Tonight, Canadian journalists complain that their job is harder than that of our soldiers
00:01:07.060 and firemen. I wish I were kidding. It's May 25th. This is the S. Revenge.
00:01:11.960 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know? There's 8,500 customers
00:01:19.800 here, and you won't give them an answer. The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm
00:01:25.180 publishing it is because it's my bloody right to do so.
00:01:28.020 I saw this today from a Globe and Mail journalist. I was shocked, but not surprised. Christy Kirkup says,
00:01:41.340 Report details alarming levels of stress for mental health of Canadian journalists and media workers.
00:01:49.300 Survey from November 1 and December 18, 2021 revealed health impacts resulting from the events of the last
00:01:57.860 four years. 69% report anxiety. 46% report depression. 15% PTSD. That's post-traumatic stress disorder.
00:02:10.900 That reporter linked to a press release. This one here. Press release says,
00:02:17.680 alarming levels of stress, harming mental health of Canadian journalists and media workers.
00:02:23.720 I'll get to the press release in a moment, and we'll look at the underlying study, too.
00:02:27.820 But I think we already have enough information, don't we?
00:02:32.180 You know what? It's been a tough couple of years for everyone.
00:02:36.640 Largely because of the media.
00:02:38.960 If it weren't for the media shrieking about the virus and deaths and trauma and risk and danger,
00:02:44.160 and getting it all wrong, by the way, with no context, with no proportion,
00:02:47.680 with no scientific knowledge, just absolutely engaging in fear porn, for kicks, for clicks,
00:02:55.080 to feel important, to feel they had an exciting story, to feel relevant, and to indulge their
00:03:00.420 instinct of control and government authoritarianism, if you hadn't watched a single news story or read a
00:03:06.680 single newspaper in the past two years, I promise you that unless you worked in a long-term care home,
00:03:13.100 home, you literally would not have known that there was a pandemic afoot.
00:03:16.740 You would not have known it were it not for the news media.
00:03:20.080 The average age of those who died from the virus was around 80.
00:03:23.680 The average victim of the virus who died was severely ill to begin with.
00:03:29.840 And I mean severely ill and very overweight on average.
00:03:33.120 So if you were a normal-ish person, average age, average health, average life, you literally
00:03:39.900 would not have ever known there was a pandemic afoot.
00:03:43.000 I blame the media.
00:03:45.140 So of course I blame them, and I blame the media not just for acting as propagandists and
00:03:49.740 fear mongers, but for actually pressuring politicians to go harder.
00:03:54.020 So yeah, we're all stressed.
00:03:56.380 We're all a bit anxious and depressed, to a large part because of journalists.
00:04:01.000 Also, no, I don't really have a lot of sympathy, especially for people who consider sitting
00:04:05.960 in an office and writing their thoughts on a website to be a job.
00:04:10.400 And I mean, I suppose it's a job, but it's not really work, is it?
00:04:13.880 And I say that as someone who does that for a living.
00:04:17.040 It's about as close to a hobby, a recreation, a playtime as you can get and still get paid.
00:04:24.200 I mean, you know who has had a rough two years?
00:04:26.100 Drivers, truck drivers, restaurant delivery drivers, everyone else was at home from the
00:04:33.180 Zoom class, the lawyer class, the accountant class, the government class, the lockdown class.
00:04:39.100 These guys and gals driving around endlessly, truck drivers, delivery drivers, especially
00:04:43.280 in the early days.
00:04:44.280 We didn't know how risky things were for not much more than minimum wage, by the way.
00:04:50.120 In their cars, in the traffic, no matter the weather, any working person, any real people,
00:04:57.380 any people who kept the rest of us in the style to which we'd become accustomed, truck drivers,
00:05:02.480 farmers.
00:05:03.840 Now, not a lot of sympathy for bloggers and propaganda, some sort.
00:05:07.620 And say, do you think there's a tiny, teeny tiny chance of journalists have, oh, I don't
00:05:12.760 know, just a touch of drama about them?
00:05:16.700 I mean, if you ask a coal miner or a factory worker or a construction worker or a, I don't
00:05:23.000 know, a fisherman or a delivery driver how their day goes, you might hear about how tired
00:05:28.820 they are or whatever.
00:05:30.980 But if you ask a writer, someone who writes for a living, how their day was, you might
00:05:36.180 get just a touch of hyperbole, just a little bit of self-pity, just a little bit of look
00:05:42.120 at me, solipsism, as they call it, just a small chance of that, right?
00:05:48.880 Journalists are always the heroes of their own story.
00:05:51.220 And these days in woke circles, the biggest heroes are the ones who are the biggest victims.
00:05:56.020 Of course, they're going to say they're victims.
00:05:57.780 Imagine saying that you have PTSD from being a journalist.
00:06:03.000 You know who really has PTSD?
00:06:04.560 PTSD, firemen, like those who ran into the towers on 9-11, soldiers, veterans who saw
00:06:11.680 cruelty, maybe even did cruelty, I don't know.
00:06:14.760 They saw violence, cops.
00:06:18.240 Those people have real PTSD.
00:06:20.540 Journalists, it's a sick and twisted kind of stolen valor, don't you think?
00:06:25.920 I tried to find some reliable stats on PTSD.
00:06:28.960 Here's the U.S. Veterans Department on their official stats.
00:06:34.560 It also seems to depend on which war they were in, which sort of makes sense.
00:06:37.760 I'll read it to you.
00:06:39.800 The number of veterans with PTSD varies by service era.
00:06:44.120 Operations Iraqi Freedom and Enduring Freedom, about 11 to 20 out of every 100 veterans, or
00:06:51.120 between 11 and 20 percent who served, have PTSD in a given year.
00:06:55.140 Gulf War, desert storm, about 12 out of every 100 Gulf War veterans, or 12 percent, have PTSD in a given year.
00:07:03.800 Vietnam War, about 15 out of 100 Vietnam veterans, or 15 percent, were currently diagnosed with PTSD.
00:07:12.020 At the time of the most recent study in the late 1980s, the National Vietnam Veterans Readjustment Study,
00:07:20.040 it is estimated that about 30 out of every 100, or 3 percent of Vietnam veterans, have had PTSD in their lifetimes.
00:07:28.580 So 15 percent at any given time.
00:07:30.100 I believe it.
00:07:30.680 So 12 percent in the quickest war, 15 percent in the longest war.
00:07:38.140 Here's some stats for firefighters and first responders that I've found.
00:07:42.480 It's from a suicide information site in Canada.
00:07:45.180 They say 22 percent of first responders develop PTSD.
00:07:49.520 That's a Canadian stat.
00:07:50.460 I've seen the number at 20 percent for American first responders.
00:07:54.180 I believe that.
00:07:54.740 You have some pretty rough things going on.
00:07:57.180 People dying in a fire, and if it's your job to save them from the fire, but you are unable to save them,
00:08:03.260 I can see how you would internalize that.
00:08:06.100 Maybe even think that you're to blame for the fire if you couldn't save everybody.
00:08:10.980 22 percent.
00:08:11.700 Sure, I believe that.
00:08:13.700 The people who deal with life and death every day and willingly run into a fire while everyone else runs out.
00:08:19.900 Sure, yeah, 22 percent.
00:08:21.900 But the same as some of our soldiers, right?
00:08:23.860 Soldiers and firemen and medics.
00:08:27.640 And to that pantheon of selfless people, we now must add journalists.
00:08:33.540 15 percent of journalists claim to have PTSD.
00:08:37.880 Yeah, so a higher rate than some of those coming back from the Gulf War, eh?
00:08:43.100 On par with our Vietnam veterans, eh?
00:08:46.360 Drama.
00:08:47.720 Oh, yeah.
00:08:49.020 Just ask them.
00:08:50.000 I'll read some more.
00:08:55.840 Here's the press release that based, these tweets were based on.
00:09:01.680 Workers in Canada's news industry, watchdogs of our democracy, are suffering disturbingly high levels of work-related stress and injury,
00:09:11.740 according to a new report released today on Parliament Hill.
00:09:14.720 Oh, is that who the watchdogs of our democracy are?
00:09:19.360 So not the soldiers or the police, not the courts or the opposition, but those losers?
00:09:26.300 99 percent of whom take cash from Trudeau?
00:09:29.360 If they're the guardians of democracy, we're in trouble.
00:09:31.860 They're the watchdogs?
00:09:32.820 More like the lapdogs.
00:09:34.180 They take payoffs from Trudeau.
00:09:36.280 They're not the watchdogs.
00:09:38.700 Where was their bark these past two years, other than barking at us, the powerless, and the service of the powerful?
00:09:45.200 Like I say, drama!
00:09:47.960 I'll read more.
00:09:48.780 Taking Care, a report on mental health, well-being, and trauma among Canadian media workers is a first-of-its-kind national survey study based on 1,251 detailed survey responses from freelancers to news executives, desk editors to frontline reporters, and video journalists.
00:10:07.840 Hang on, hang on, hang on.
00:10:08.600 So this isn't even just journalists, it's executives, like the rich guys in the big offices working on getting grants from Trudeau.
00:10:17.460 Guys like that, they're stressed out, are they?
00:10:20.080 It's folks who never leave their cubicle, really?
00:10:22.640 Lots of PTSD from playing Minecraft or whatever they do all day.
00:10:27.500 I'll read some more.
00:10:28.300 The study provides comprehensive data on how growing harassment of media workers, COVID-19 workload, job insecurity, and a culture that neglects employee health are causing high rates of anxiety, depression, burnout, and trauma-related injury.
00:10:44.100 Harassment of media workers, eh?
00:10:46.340 How about when media workers harass us?
00:10:49.420 By us, I mean you.
00:10:51.380 Call you names, demonize you.
00:10:53.780 The trucker rebellion, the key example for that.
00:10:55.960 You can see where this is all going, can't you?
00:10:59.000 It's priming the pump for silencing you from clapping back at journalists who are free to attack you.
00:11:05.580 You know, when journalists attack you, call you names, demonize you, marginalize you.
00:11:10.220 That's, what was it called?
00:11:11.640 Oh yeah, saving democracy, the guardians of democracy.
00:11:14.160 But when you and your friends peacefully drive to Ottawa to protest, your civil liberties being violated, and maybe you heckle the establishment, establishment politicians, establishment journalists,
00:11:23.540 you're now the enemy who committed a crime.
00:11:26.500 Actually worse, you're like a foreign army committing TSD on our loyal troops.
00:11:33.140 Here's one line that caught my eye.
00:11:35.700 Media workers face high rates of trauma, exposure, stories of death, injury, and suffering, two-thirds negatively affected by graphic disturbing story.
00:11:46.340 Fair enough.
00:11:47.080 Yeah, fair enough.
00:11:47.600 There's some bad stuff in the news.
00:11:50.680 How about don't publish it then?
00:11:55.200 You're doing it.
00:11:56.520 You're choosing to do it.
00:11:57.360 It would be like you're a pornographer complaining about sexual content.
00:12:01.400 Then how about stop?
00:12:03.360 News journalists complaining about publishing graphic disturbing stories.
00:12:06.480 Yeah, then stop doing it.
00:12:08.520 And stop doing it to the rest of us too.
00:12:10.800 But they got to sell those papers.
00:12:13.420 I read more.
00:12:14.000 Media workers face rampant harassment online and in the field.
00:12:17.960 56% report online harassment and threats.
00:12:20.940 35% experience harassment in the field.
00:12:24.580 Sorry, I don't believe it.
00:12:25.720 The 56% online harassment, yeah, maybe.
00:12:30.400 Not threats, I don't believe that.
00:12:31.780 But harassment, maybe.
00:12:33.080 Because literally everyone in the world is harassed online in one way or another.
00:12:37.900 Literally everyone.
00:12:39.980 Which is why every social media company, every app has a mute or block function.
00:12:45.860 And every computer or phone has an off button.
00:12:49.340 It's like that old joke from back in the 20th century.
00:12:52.180 Before caller ID and cell phones.
00:12:56.100 Remember those olden days where you dialed the phone.
00:13:00.660 It's like that old joke.
00:13:02.740 Officer, I'd like to report an obscene phone call.
00:13:06.200 That was a thing where you couldn't tell who was calling.
00:13:09.340 And people were used to answering the phone out of curiosity.
00:13:13.460 Who's calling?
00:13:14.400 And you wouldn't know.
00:13:15.100 No caller ID.
00:13:16.340 Officer, I'd like to report an obscene phone call.
00:13:19.800 He kept me on the phone for an hour.
00:13:23.060 Yeah.
00:13:23.680 If you're getting harassed online, then get offline.
00:13:28.000 Or just stop it.
00:13:29.380 Stop them.
00:13:30.060 Block them.
00:13:30.600 Mute them.
00:13:31.380 If you're getting harassed online, it's because you're permitting it.
00:13:34.020 You want it.
00:13:36.200 I don't believe that 30%, 35% are harassed in the field.
00:13:39.780 They don't believe it.
00:13:41.060 Unless they mean, at most, getting a mean look or being heckled from someone walking by.
00:13:46.460 Someone they've likely smeared.
00:13:48.440 You want harassed?
00:13:50.380 How about rebel news journalists being shot by Trudeau's police?
00:13:54.820 That was Alexa LaVoie.
00:14:17.400 Here's David Menzies, beat up by Trudeau's personal bodyguards.
00:14:20.840 Move.
00:14:21.720 I'm on a side.
00:14:22.800 What is this?
00:14:24.020 I'm on a sidewalk.
00:14:28.720 I am on a sidewalk.
00:14:30.360 What is this?
00:14:31.180 You cannot touch me.
00:14:33.000 Not rushing or working.
00:14:34.960 Hey.
00:14:37.140 Are you kidding?
00:14:40.520 Are you kidding?
00:14:41.440 Let go of me.
00:14:43.500 What is this?
00:14:44.460 You can't.
00:14:46.840 Am I under arrest?
00:14:48.500 Am I under arrest?
00:14:51.180 That's at the hands of Trudeau's cops.
00:14:53.080 No mention of that.
00:14:54.560 But please stop the mean tweets, guys.
00:14:56.860 That's harassment.
00:14:57.760 I read the study itself, not just the press release.
00:15:01.420 Here's a line under harassment.
00:15:03.620 One CBC journalist told us that toxicity directed at media workers has had an impact.
00:15:13.580 It's taking more of a toll on me than interviews with trauma victims.
00:15:18.540 I believe in what we do, and that has always carried me through.
00:15:22.800 But when it feels like so many other people no longer believe in us, it's discouraging.
00:15:28.920 Got it.
00:15:29.580 So you're mad that people don't believe in you anymore or believe you.
00:15:35.400 You're sad about the fact no one trusts you anymore.
00:15:39.060 You're sad about that.
00:15:41.000 And that's under the heading of harassment.
00:15:44.120 So that's harassment.
00:15:44.820 And we're counting that as harassment now.
00:15:47.120 Oh, and by the way, no reflection on maybe what you've done to lose their trust and maybe
00:15:51.520 what you need to do to improve their trust.
00:15:53.220 No.
00:15:53.480 You're just mad at them for not trusting you.
00:15:55.300 You're complaining about the lack of trust as if the people who don't trust you are the
00:16:00.380 problem, not you.
00:16:02.100 Here's another complaint.
00:16:03.940 Just stop and listen to this.
00:16:05.480 And remember, this is from something called the Canadian Journalism Forum on Violence and
00:16:11.200 Trauma.
00:16:11.640 That's who did the study.
00:16:13.840 It's just all so relentless.
00:16:16.700 The work, the news.
00:16:18.400 And even if our bosses care about us and want us to be okay, at the end of the day, the
00:16:24.720 show must go on and there aren't enough resources to give anyone a break.
00:16:30.820 I am seriously considering leaving the industry because I just don't know if this job is worth
00:16:36.380 the stress it causes me.
00:16:38.480 Producer, CBC.
00:16:39.500 Okay, so it's hard going to work every day.
00:16:44.440 And you hate the CBC and that's violence and trauma.
00:16:48.200 That's the name of the group that did the study, the violence and trauma group.
00:16:52.160 And you say it's worse than being a fireman or a veteran and all your stress.
00:16:55.820 Shut up, you brat.
00:16:58.420 Here's another line.
00:16:59.160 Feeling not cared for can have profound consequences.
00:17:04.640 As a writer for CBC said, most of the trauma I have suffered has been the result of poor
00:17:11.240 management and outdated approaches.
00:17:14.140 So much of it has been entirely preventable, but the will to prevent injury is lacking.
00:17:19.820 Wish I'd chosen a different profession.
00:17:22.060 Got it.
00:17:22.540 I don't doubt the CBC is a crappy place to work.
00:17:26.280 And I agree with you.
00:17:27.380 Maybe you should have chosen a different profession.
00:17:29.480 It's never too late.
00:17:31.080 But you haven't, have you?
00:17:32.600 You're not going to because I'm going to guess you love working for that velvet coffin,
00:17:37.960 the CBC.
00:17:38.760 You just love that government job that really can never fire you.
00:17:44.760 You're in the union.
00:17:46.800 Look at what Gian Gomeschi had to do before they fired him.
00:17:49.580 They didn't fire him after the accusations.
00:17:51.340 They fired him only because he admitted them.
00:17:53.460 So yeah, I'm not too sympathetic.
00:17:55.400 And we'll give them this.
00:17:58.160 They got one thing right.
00:18:00.920 Rethink alcohol.
00:18:02.280 That's one of the recommendations.
00:18:03.760 News organizations, unions, and associations should rethink their relationship with alcohol.
00:18:09.540 Yeah, that's a good idea.
00:18:10.720 I'm serious.
00:18:11.620 If someone's an alcoholic, get them some help.
00:18:15.040 But please stop whining to the rest of us how hard done by you are.
00:18:18.860 And don't call this violence and harassment.
00:18:21.300 Look, everyone is hurting in this country.
00:18:24.300 Well, not everyone, sorry.
00:18:25.980 Many people made out like bandits during the last two years.
00:18:28.660 The lockdown class, the government class, the Zoom class.
00:18:33.240 In fact, if you look at the chart, most journalists did great.
00:18:37.320 Look at this chart here.
00:18:38.440 It's only the freelancers who couldn't nail down a full-time job who were really complaining.
00:18:43.480 Journalists had the best time of their lives.
00:18:45.300 But actual workers have it tough.
00:18:49.580 Depressed, anxious, poor, drug addiction.
00:18:53.280 Journalists are to blame.
00:18:54.580 They're not the victims.
00:18:56.620 Hey, next time you see a journalist out there, be careful of the poor deers.
00:19:01.800 They're in shell shock from the horrors they've seen.
00:19:05.440 Even if they're calling you a racist, sexist, transphobe, be nice, you know?
00:19:10.200 Just understand they're very anxious.
00:19:11.840 Apparently, they may be drunk.
00:19:15.780 Go up to them and give them a thumbs up.
00:19:19.740 Tell them they really are the heroes who save our democracy.
00:19:23.760 Try not to laugh.
00:19:25.920 Tell them that we rely on them maybe even more than our veterans or our firemen.
00:19:32.240 And at least walk out of earshot before bursting out of laughter, okay?
00:19:38.520 Stay with us for more.
00:19:41.840 Well, about a decade ago, I wrote a book called Ethical Oil, The Case for Canada's Oil Sense.
00:19:58.140 And I'll say something you might find surprising.
00:20:00.500 It was a left-wing book.
00:20:02.060 I used left-wing principles and left-wing arguments to make the case for the oil sense.
00:20:08.020 I said, okay, what are the values of the left?
00:20:11.640 Environmentalism.
00:20:12.460 Well, look, this oil sense oil is more environmentalist than, say, Russia.
00:20:17.380 You know, civil rights, justice for workers.
00:20:20.920 I used the language of the left to prove to the left on their own terms that Canada's oil
00:20:26.400 sands was ethical oil, the fair trade coffee of the world's oil industry.
00:20:30.380 I think it was effective, but it was also conceding that my own conservative values were not persuasive.
00:20:40.600 I was trying to argue on their turf.
00:20:42.040 I'm glad I did, and it had some use.
00:20:44.980 But around the same time, there was a morally superior book to my own that was more honest, frankly.
00:20:53.000 My book was honest, but it's just not how I would think or how I would talk if I was talking to myself.
00:21:00.060 The better book was called The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels, not conceding that you had to be shy or ashamed about it.
00:21:11.120 You didn't have to say, yes, we will reduce our emissions, but just a little more slowly than Greenpeace wants.
00:21:17.840 Or, yes, we'll phase it out, but can we have just a few more years of employment?
00:21:21.920 It said, no, fossil fuels are a positive thing, full stop, not the least evil, the lesser evil than OPEC oil,
00:21:31.940 which was really my argument, an ethical oil.
00:21:34.460 And its author was Alex Epstein, and I saw him give a presentation where he reminded us
00:21:40.340 that nature, in its natural state, unrefined by men, is, as Thomas Hobbes would say, nasty, brutish, and short.
00:21:51.400 I mean, just think about life in Canada.
00:21:53.540 If it weren't for fossil fuels, we would freeze in the winter.
00:21:56.640 Think of life, you know, anywhere there's raw life.
00:22:00.680 If it's cold, fossil fuels give us heat.
00:22:02.740 If it's hot, fossil fuels give us refrigeration.
00:22:06.940 Untreated water becomes potable because of fossil fuels and because of man's industrial accomplishments.
00:22:13.720 Those are good things, which is why the population of the world has never been higher,
00:22:17.640 and longevity has never been longer, The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels.
00:22:22.580 It's a book I wish I had written.
00:22:26.000 Well, the author of The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels has come back with another one.
00:22:30.080 It's called Fossil Future,
00:22:32.780 and it succeeds and updates The Moral Case for Fossil Fuel,
00:22:38.340 and what a pleasure to have him join us now via Skype from Laguna Beach, California,
00:22:44.100 my friend Alex Epson.
00:22:45.200 Alex, I so admired your first book.
00:22:49.260 That was a hell of an intro.
00:22:50.800 Well, it's the truth.
00:22:51.720 You know what, and every time, and I have one of your mugs, by the way,
00:22:55.200 which says I love fossil fuels, and I drink it proudly
00:22:58.060 because if you're a self-hating oil man, you're going to lose in the end
00:23:02.180 because you've already conceded that what you're doing is the lesser evil,
00:23:06.320 but you still admit it's evil, and you don't take that point of view, do you?
00:23:10.540 Yeah, I mean, one way to think about sort of the relationship
00:23:13.340 between the ethical oil argument and the moral case argument,
00:23:16.960 and I think both are true,
00:23:18.900 but the ethical oil argument is about the process of producing oil,
00:23:22.840 and the moral case is about the product.
00:23:25.960 So one is saying we have a more moral process, which is true,
00:23:29.800 but my argument is focused on the product itself is good.
00:23:34.540 And if you think of, okay, we have a process,
00:23:37.220 but the thing isn't necessarily good,
00:23:39.120 not that you ever conceded it wasn't good,
00:23:40.500 but if you don't really say that it's good,
00:23:42.900 then it's like, okay, well, we're like the cigarette factory
00:23:46.040 where nobody smokes making the cigarettes,
00:23:49.020 but they're still making the cigarettes, and that's the argument,
00:23:51.920 except in this case, they're viewed as much, much worse than cigarettes.
00:23:55.400 Well, you know, that's right,
00:23:56.720 because there was a generation where tobacco executives were saying,
00:24:00.960 yes, we're awful, but please let us operate.
00:24:04.320 And I think oil men got that same self-hating point of view,
00:24:08.540 and so they allowed themselves to be beat up.
00:24:10.500 First they said it just to make the beating stop,
00:24:13.200 and then I think oil companies hired a generation of people
00:24:16.560 who actually loathed oil.
00:24:18.560 But you don't.
00:24:19.720 You say it is a positive thing.
00:24:22.740 It's not lesser evil.
00:24:25.360 It's a good thing.
00:24:26.660 Make the case for Fossil Future.
00:24:29.600 That's the name of your new book.
00:24:31.380 Tell our viewers, in a nutshell, the case,
00:24:34.280 and then we'll tell them how to get the book.
00:24:36.620 Sure.
00:24:37.100 Well, you mentioned The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels
00:24:39.120 was the book you wish you had written.
00:24:41.020 Fossil Future was the book I wish I had written.
00:24:43.200 That is, I wrote The Moral Case in six months in 2014
00:24:46.940 when I didn't know nearly as much about energy
00:24:49.200 or how to explain it.
00:24:50.720 And it was this wildly successful book
00:24:53.180 despite those limitations
00:24:55.020 because it was getting at something that was really powerful,
00:24:58.240 which is that if you frame the argument really clearly
00:25:01.240 in a pro-human way,
00:25:02.960 specifically that your goal is very clearly
00:25:05.480 to advance human flourishing on Earth,
00:25:08.060 not to eliminate human impact on Earth.
00:25:10.100 If you recognize that nature is not this delicate nurturer
00:25:14.000 that's stable, sufficient, and safe,
00:25:16.060 but it's actually this wild potential
00:25:18.060 that's dynamic, deficient, and dangerous.
00:25:21.260 And then if you look at fossil fuels from that perspective
00:25:23.740 and you look at the full context,
00:25:26.220 so you weigh carefully their benefits and their side effects,
00:25:29.400 the benefits are just totally overwhelming.
00:25:32.400 And in Moral Case, I sort of got at that,
00:25:34.700 but in Fossil Future just totally nails down,
00:25:37.500 hey, here's the framework that I think about it.
00:25:39.360 It, which most people will agree with if it's explained,
00:25:42.700 but it's totally different than the framework
00:25:45.020 of what I call our designated experts.
00:25:47.060 And then I just show comprehensively all the relevant facts,
00:25:50.400 all the benefits, all the side effects of concern.
00:25:53.260 And you just, it's just crazy how amazing fossil fuels are.
00:25:57.220 And maybe the most shocking one is in climate
00:25:59.920 because fossil fuels are amazing climate-wise.
00:26:03.040 It's not just, oh, they're bad,
00:26:04.580 but they're offsetting things.
00:26:06.040 That would be true if they were bad.
00:26:07.920 But no, they allow us to master the climate
00:26:10.600 to such degree that climate-related disaster deaths
00:26:14.120 are down 98% over the last century.
00:26:17.700 So we've taken a naturally dangerous climate
00:26:19.940 and made it unnaturally safe
00:26:21.900 through some of the things you mentioned,
00:26:23.500 like fossil fuel heating, fossil fuel cooling,
00:26:25.960 but also fossil fuel infrastructure building,
00:26:28.360 fossil fuel irrigation, fossil fuel drought relief ships.
00:26:31.460 All these kinds of things have made our climate safe.
00:26:34.160 And there is no conceivable climate impact going forward
00:26:37.400 that could overwhelm those mastery abilities,
00:26:40.120 let alone all the other benefits of fossil fuels.
00:26:43.100 I mean, I'm just trying to think of the contrast.
00:26:46.080 And I just think of the city of Dubai
00:26:47.480 that a generation ago was nothing.
00:26:51.100 No one heard of it.
00:26:51.980 There was no reason to.
00:26:53.140 It was a village.
00:26:54.380 And now it's gleaming skyscrapers
00:26:57.440 in a very difficult climate,
00:27:00.480 a very difficult place.
00:27:01.520 They literally built islands
00:27:03.240 upon which luxury homes exist.
00:27:05.660 That whole concept,
00:27:08.800 the building,
00:27:09.620 let alone mastering the climate to build Dubai,
00:27:13.440 impossible without fossil fuels.
00:27:15.940 Impossible.
00:27:16.120 Singapore is another great example.
00:27:19.020 Just this world-leading place
00:27:20.580 in a climate that you just think,
00:27:22.260 no, who would live there?
00:27:23.460 But because they had
00:27:24.700 a pretty pro-freedom economic climate
00:27:26.640 in many ways,
00:27:27.320 and because they're mastering climate,
00:27:29.420 it's just this amazing place
00:27:31.040 that many of us would love to visit.
00:27:33.180 Well, take me through
00:27:34.120 some of the themes of Fossil Future,
00:27:36.920 maybe even some of the chapter headings
00:27:38.960 so people can understand what's in the book.
00:27:41.640 Sure.
00:27:42.220 So maybe the best way to think of it
00:27:43.660 is it has four basic parts.
00:27:45.820 And it's very simple.
00:27:47.220 So it's framework, benefits,
00:27:50.200 climate side effects,
00:27:51.300 and basically the path forward.
00:27:53.480 Those are the four basic sections.
00:27:56.160 And so framework is stepping back
00:27:57.760 and saying before we enter this issue
00:27:59.660 and decide what to do about fossil fuels,
00:28:02.160 which is the most consequential question
00:28:04.540 just about of our time,
00:28:06.060 we have to think about
00:28:07.100 how are we going to think about this?
00:28:08.620 And this includes what method
00:28:09.760 are we going to use
00:28:10.500 and what are our underlying assumptions
00:28:12.320 and values?
00:28:13.040 And I indicated before
00:28:14.040 the method should be
00:28:15.020 considering the full context,
00:28:17.000 weighing benefits and side effects
00:28:18.360 with the recognition
00:28:19.640 that Earth is not a delicate nurturer.
00:28:21.600 It's this wild potential
00:28:22.640 that we need to impact hugely
00:28:24.720 and that our goal should be
00:28:26.580 advancing human flourishing on Earth,
00:28:28.240 not eliminating human impact on Earth.
00:28:29.960 And I show that all of our experts
00:28:31.520 and what I call our knowledge system,
00:28:33.620 which is supposedly giving us expert knowledge,
00:28:35.740 is a total failure
00:28:37.080 in theory and in practice
00:28:39.000 because it's only looking at the side effects
00:28:41.160 and it's not looking at things
00:28:42.860 from a human flourishing perspective.
00:28:44.120 And it's assuming that nature
00:28:45.620 is this imaginary delicate nurturer
00:28:47.500 that our impact ruins.
00:28:49.420 And really, once you have the framework down,
00:28:51.900 the good one and the bad one,
00:28:53.540 it's pretty straightforward.
00:28:54.700 Then benefits goes
00:28:55.700 and what it shows
00:28:56.720 is that contrary to the idea
00:28:58.540 that fossil fuels threaten
00:28:59.940 to make our world unlivable
00:29:01.380 through climate change
00:29:02.980 and so the side effects
00:29:04.020 must be much worse,
00:29:05.360 actually fossil fuels
00:29:06.520 make the planet a livable place
00:29:08.620 in the first place
00:29:09.920 and they are not replaceable
00:29:11.180 in the near future,
00:29:11.840 which means that all this talk
00:29:13.200 of a livable planet,
00:29:14.700 that shouldn't be attributed,
00:29:15.980 that concern shouldn't be attributed
00:29:17.400 to climate change,
00:29:18.580 it should be attributed
00:29:19.300 to losing fossil fuels.
00:29:21.460 And then with climate,
00:29:22.320 what I show,
00:29:22.960 the side effects is
00:29:23.940 there's a range of warming
00:29:26.680 that you might plausibly expect,
00:29:29.160 but nothing in that range
00:29:30.760 can remotely overwhelm
00:29:32.380 even the climate mastery benefits
00:29:34.260 of fossil fuels,
00:29:35.540 not the other,
00:29:36.620 let alone the other benefits.
00:29:38.000 And maybe the perfect example
00:29:39.240 of this that we're seeing right now
00:29:40.580 is food.
00:29:41.440 And I have a video on Twitter right now
00:29:43.240 where I warned the Senate
00:29:44.240 six years ago about,
00:29:45.340 hey, if you do these policies
00:29:46.940 and if Europe does these policies,
00:29:48.280 we're going to have a crisis
00:29:49.120 and food prices
00:29:50.260 are going to skyrocket,
00:29:51.460 including because of fertilizer
00:29:53.020 that's derived from natural gas
00:29:55.300 along with the rest of agriculture
00:29:56.820 runs on fossil fuels.
00:29:58.440 And our leaders
00:29:59.440 have not told us this.
00:30:01.540 What they've done
00:30:02.000 is they've just focused
00:30:02.900 on the side effects
00:30:03.580 of fossil fuels.
00:30:04.580 So I'm pretty sure
00:30:05.180 you're familiar with Michael Mann,
00:30:07.040 the climate scientist
00:30:07.980 and activist.
00:30:08.720 But what I point out
00:30:09.500 is not just his hockey stick thing,
00:30:11.480 but what's going on with him
00:30:12.700 is he talks about agriculture,
00:30:14.280 but he totally evades
00:30:15.540 the benefits of fossil fuels
00:30:16.740 and he acts like
00:30:17.460 it's just negative,
00:30:18.680 even though fossil fuels,
00:30:20.000 as I say,
00:30:20.380 are the food of food.
00:30:21.540 They feed the world.
00:30:22.680 And so with people
00:30:23.260 like Michael Mann
00:30:24.180 distorting our thinking,
00:30:25.560 we are going to make
00:30:26.380 terrible policy decisions.
00:30:28.200 And what Fossil Future does
00:30:29.320 is it gives you
00:30:29.920 a total re-education
00:30:31.620 about energy
00:30:32.420 in incredible detail
00:30:34.360 from a human flourishing perspective.
00:30:36.280 So if you expect
00:30:37.060 to disagree with me,
00:30:38.400 you're pretty likely
00:30:39.120 to be somewhat convinced.
00:30:40.580 And if you agree with me,
00:30:41.560 you've got just
00:30:42.700 an unbelievable buffet
00:30:44.500 of clarity and ammunition
00:30:46.520 to use to persuade others.
00:30:48.380 You know,
00:30:48.980 I was reading
00:30:50.000 some Twitter post
00:30:51.140 by a lobbyist
00:30:53.560 named Rick Anderson
00:30:54.700 who said,
00:30:55.760 I got a Prius.
00:30:56.640 I don't, sorry,
00:30:57.120 I got a Tesla.
00:30:58.540 I don't care
00:30:59.200 about these high gas prices.
00:31:01.660 Well, okay.
00:31:04.960 Every single thing he buys,
00:31:07.320 every food,
00:31:08.020 every food item
00:31:10.380 he buys is in a grocery store,
00:31:11.840 every thing.
00:31:13.580 I mean,
00:31:13.880 there is nothing
00:31:14.760 that we don't buy
00:31:15.700 from apparel to,
00:31:16.840 you know,
00:31:17.360 Walmart
00:31:17.760 that is not on a truck,
00:31:19.760 that did not come
00:31:20.540 from a truck.
00:31:21.220 And if it grew in a field,
00:31:23.060 you know,
00:31:24.040 I don't think we have
00:31:24.860 a lot of horse-drawn,
00:31:26.400 you know,
00:31:27.160 plows these days.
00:31:29.660 Everything
00:31:30.120 is oil and gas.
00:31:32.420 And for this lobbyist
00:31:33.480 to laugh,
00:31:34.480 ha-ha,
00:31:35.220 gas prices don't affect me.
00:31:36.480 They affect everything, brother.
00:31:37.660 And the natural gas prices
00:31:40.260 and the coal prices affect,
00:31:41.540 particularly if you're
00:31:42.380 talking about solar and wind.
00:31:44.080 First of all,
00:31:44.540 China's making them
00:31:45.360 using coal,
00:31:46.220 so coal prices affect them.
00:31:48.200 But also,
00:31:48.800 natural gas
00:31:49.420 is the only thing
00:31:50.420 that's used widely,
00:31:51.500 or I should say
00:31:52.400 the most effective thing
00:31:53.240 that's used widely
00:31:53.900 to provide 24-7 life support
00:31:56.360 to unreliable solar and wind,
00:31:58.180 which can go to near zero
00:31:59.460 at any moment.
00:32:00.800 So,
00:32:01.360 if what's happening
00:32:02.380 is you're protected
00:32:03.440 from immediate price shocks,
00:32:05.120 you know,
00:32:06.400 because of regulations
00:32:07.480 and that kind of thing,
00:32:08.360 but those feed into your prices.
00:32:09.920 And so,
00:32:10.180 I've shown,
00:32:11.040 for example,
00:32:11.680 with Texas,
00:32:12.340 you know,
00:32:12.500 when their natural gas prices
00:32:14.660 skyrocket
00:32:15.300 and when they have
00:32:16.040 these shortages,
00:32:16.840 it costs the equivalent
00:32:18.000 of $450 to $900
00:32:19.500 to charge your Tesla.
00:32:20.940 So,
00:32:21.120 this idea that
00:32:21.860 anti-fossil fuels
00:32:23.160 doesn't hurt you
00:32:23.940 if you drive a Tesla,
00:32:25.400 which is a fossil-fueled car
00:32:27.020 fundamentally still,
00:32:28.660 which,
00:32:29.060 by the way,
00:32:29.300 Elon Musk blocked me
00:32:30.340 for Twitter
00:32:30.820 for having a very popular article
00:32:32.300 saying the Tesla S
00:32:33.380 was a great fossil-fuel car,
00:32:35.120 if you don't understand that,
00:32:37.120 then you're not going
00:32:37.760 to understand anything.
00:32:38.580 And, of course,
00:32:38.980 all the points you said
00:32:39.780 are true as well.
00:32:41.220 Well,
00:32:41.460 in California,
00:32:42.180 especially,
00:32:42.540 where about half the energy
00:32:43.600 comes from coal,
00:32:45.600 your Tesla
00:32:46.460 may not burn fossil fuels,
00:32:48.340 but it plugs into a...
00:32:49.620 Well,
00:32:49.820 not here.
00:32:50.280 Here it's not,
00:32:51.320 although we have,
00:32:52.300 interestingly,
00:32:52.780 Los Angeles is very coal-powered.
00:32:54.620 They don't know this.
00:32:55.440 So,
00:32:55.600 California itself
00:32:56.320 doesn't have much coal,
00:32:57.540 but Los Angeles
00:32:58.660 gets its power
00:32:59.840 a lot from Utah,
00:33:01.840 interestingly,
00:33:02.800 which has a lot
00:33:04.020 of good coal.
00:33:04.580 So,
00:33:04.860 we have this interesting thing
00:33:05.960 where we're trying
00:33:06.940 to parasite off
00:33:07.760 the rest of the country
00:33:08.540 so we can pretend
00:33:09.380 that we're going to use
00:33:10.120 the unreliable electricity
00:33:11.040 and we're just going
00:33:11.900 to import it.
00:33:12.900 But everyone is trying
00:33:13.760 to play that game right now,
00:33:14.820 which is why
00:33:15.360 we have regulators warning
00:33:16.700 of mass blackouts
00:33:18.160 around the country
00:33:18.860 this summer
00:33:19.300 because you can't just be a...
00:33:21.080 Everyone can't be a parasite
00:33:22.440 on everyone else.
00:33:23.880 You know,
00:33:24.060 a strange thing going on
00:33:25.520 in Europe too
00:33:26.220 to see countries
00:33:27.960 shutting down nuclear.
00:33:29.180 I'd like your views
00:33:29.780 on nuclear.
00:33:30.300 I'm pretty positive
00:33:31.300 on nuclear.
00:33:32.980 Europe shutting down nukes
00:33:35.060 and going back to coal.
00:33:37.520 Wind turbines
00:33:38.420 really not having
00:33:39.280 made a difference.
00:33:39.860 What's going on there?
00:33:40.600 And by the way,
00:33:41.700 the fact that Russia
00:33:42.980 is still able to use
00:33:43.940 oil and gas
00:33:44.860 as a strategic weapon
00:33:46.040 shows that Europe
00:33:47.220 has not weaned itself
00:33:48.540 off those things
00:33:49.460 despite all their
00:33:50.480 self-serving PR
00:33:51.400 for having done so.
00:33:52.340 Yeah, there's a lot
00:33:54.460 of important points there.
00:33:55.600 So nuclear I think of
00:33:56.680 and I talk about it a lot
00:33:57.960 in Chapter 6 of the book
00:33:59.900 on the different alternatives
00:34:00.940 and then I talk about it
00:34:01.900 in Chapter 10
00:34:02.640 which is about energy freedom
00:34:04.500 and what's the policy
00:34:05.540 that we should pursue
00:34:06.340 going forward.
00:34:07.300 And I'm a huge advocate
00:34:08.360 of what I call
00:34:08.940 decriminalizing nuclear.
00:34:10.920 Nuclear has been demonized
00:34:12.320 as this incredibly unsafe thing
00:34:14.340 whereas in fact
00:34:15.000 it's the safest form of energy
00:34:16.400 and that's led to a level
00:34:18.000 of regulation
00:34:18.740 and other opposition
00:34:19.820 that essentially makes it
00:34:21.620 impossible to build
00:34:22.540 at low cost
00:34:23.460 certainly in the United States
00:34:24.600 and this is a tragedy
00:34:26.360 because this is a material
00:34:27.780 nuclear material
00:34:28.560 it's a stored form of energy
00:34:30.500 it's concentrated
00:34:31.700 it's abundant
00:34:32.460 there's a lot to be
00:34:33.720 excited about with it
00:34:34.740 it produced relatively
00:34:35.760 low cost electricity
00:34:36.900 super reliable electricity
00:34:38.480 in the U.S.
00:34:39.040 and we've just
00:34:39.900 screwed it up so much
00:34:41.340 that it's gone from
00:34:42.360 four years to get
00:34:43.680 one of these things built
00:34:44.500 to 16 years
00:34:45.740 and sometimes it doesn't happen
00:34:47.040 so it's a total debacle
00:34:49.500 but it's interestingly
00:34:50.560 and importantly
00:34:51.420 the green movement
00:34:52.800 which is really the core
00:34:53.980 of the anti-fossil fuel movement
00:34:55.400 that has criminalized nuclear
00:34:56.920 and they also oppose hydro
00:34:58.500 and they also oppose mining
00:35:00.480 which is necessary
00:35:01.520 for solar and wind
00:35:02.440 and batteries
00:35:02.940 and in practice
00:35:04.020 they oppose things
00:35:04.800 like transmission lines
00:35:05.860 and building large
00:35:06.900 industrial things
00:35:07.840 which solar and wind
00:35:09.380 both involve
00:35:10.020 so the green movement
00:35:11.860 is anti-human impact
00:35:13.540 and energy always involves impact
00:35:15.700 so they're really
00:35:16.320 an anti-energy movement
00:35:18.140 it's really weird
00:35:19.660 just by the way
00:35:21.500 you made me think
00:35:22.280 about the anti-everything movement
00:35:24.500 this past week
00:35:25.620 the World Economic Forum
00:35:27.500 was gathered in Davos, Switzerland
00:35:29.160 we actually sent
00:35:30.000 some reporters there
00:35:31.380 to ask some questions
00:35:32.400 including
00:35:32.820 we managed to buttonhole
00:35:34.960 Mark Carney
00:35:35.580 the global warming guru
00:35:38.340 of the U.N.
00:35:38.900 what's their game plan
00:35:41.280 like why would
00:35:42.140 oligarchs and billionaires
00:35:43.800 who have vast holdings
00:35:45.260 including in energy
00:35:46.660 why would they at least
00:35:48.620 rhetorically
00:35:50.240 support the global warming
00:35:52.520 fear mongers
00:35:53.340 the carbon taxes
00:35:54.320 things like that
00:35:55.000 like
00:35:55.440 I think of Tom Steyer
00:35:56.880 who
00:35:57.600 briefly ran for president
00:35:59.920 for the Democrats
00:36:00.680 he made a ton of money
00:36:02.060 in coal
00:36:03.600 and other fossil fuels
00:36:05.000 like that's where
00:36:05.580 his billions came from
00:36:06.720 and now he's Mr.
00:36:10.040 anti-fossil fuel
00:36:11.240 and
00:36:11.780 you know
00:36:12.340 I suppose a guy
00:36:12.840 could have a change of heart
00:36:13.980 but
00:36:14.240 the folks at Davos
00:36:17.220 are major owners
00:36:19.000 of energy companies
00:36:20.460 they're not divested
00:36:21.600 but they have this rhetoric
00:36:23.200 about Haiti
00:36:23.800 I don't understand
00:36:24.800 the game there
00:36:25.420 do you know
00:36:25.740 what's going on
00:36:26.360 with those folks?
00:36:27.880 I think it probably
00:36:28.780 varies among them
00:36:30.180 but one model
00:36:31.500 I find very helpful
00:36:33.020 to think about
00:36:34.080 is that when people
00:36:35.320 have very large amounts
00:36:36.620 of money
00:36:37.180 they're willing to pay
00:36:38.580 a lot of money
00:36:39.340 for larger amounts
00:36:40.400 of status
00:36:41.100 and I think that's a lot
00:36:42.160 of what goes on
00:36:43.040 is that it's
00:36:43.740 it's somebody who has
00:36:44.580 hundreds of millions
00:36:45.440 of dollars
00:36:45.900 billions of dollars
00:36:46.760 they may
00:36:47.780 like they may build
00:36:48.600 they may be able
00:36:49.540 to participate
00:36:50.080 in something
00:36:50.620 where in some sense
00:36:51.460 they lose money
00:36:52.220 but they're viewed
00:36:53.400 as a hero
00:36:54.440 they're viewed
00:36:55.100 as this person
00:36:55.780 who's saving the world
00:36:56.820 and often like
00:36:58.120 people want money
00:36:59.000 for status reasons
00:36:59.920 I love money
00:37:00.640 and I love making money
00:37:01.660 but I don't
00:37:02.240 I don't think of it
00:37:02.940 as something to make me
00:37:03.920 superior to others
00:37:05.080 I just think of it
00:37:05.640 as oh it empowers me
00:37:06.620 to do more
00:37:07.120 it gives me more freedom
00:37:07.980 but I think for a lot
00:37:08.920 of people it's about status
00:37:10.040 so that's one of the reasons
00:37:11.620 and then the other thing
00:37:12.460 is the process
00:37:14.120 of either
00:37:14.920 of quote
00:37:15.700 fighting global warming
00:37:16.940 or of appearing
00:37:17.720 to fight global warming
00:37:18.820 there are many kinds
00:37:20.220 of favors
00:37:20.840 that are involved
00:37:22.340 and so if you're
00:37:23.380 a leader in that process
00:37:24.700 you can secure
00:37:25.480 many of those favors
00:37:26.420 you can get a lot of money
00:37:27.500 you can get subsidies
00:37:28.420 from government
00:37:29.100 I mean take somebody
00:37:29.960 like Elon Musk
00:37:30.720 not that he's in WEF
00:37:32.220 and in some ways
00:37:32.860 he's better
00:37:33.380 but you know
00:37:34.340 he has a business model
00:37:35.260 where what's called
00:37:36.340 zero emission vehicle credits
00:37:38.280 in California
00:37:38.920 get him billions
00:37:39.900 and billions of dollars
00:37:41.000 so there are a lot
00:37:42.100 of people who are
00:37:43.000 who find ways
00:37:45.140 to profit
00:37:45.700 even on things
00:37:46.840 that are not profitable
00:37:47.860 for the whole system
00:37:48.880 right right
00:37:49.660 I guess rent seekers
00:37:50.800 might be a phrase
00:37:52.280 economists use
00:37:53.060 you mentioned
00:37:53.780 the last chapter
00:37:54.680 the last section
00:37:55.400 of your book
00:37:55.800 is called
00:37:56.120 The Path Forward
00:37:57.540 give us a hint of that
00:37:58.740 so there are two aspects
00:38:01.340 of the path forward
00:38:03.360 and I talk about it
00:38:04.560 actually as a flourishing
00:38:05.720 fossil future
00:38:06.420 so one is
00:38:07.220 what are the policies
00:38:08.720 necessary to achieve it
00:38:10.240 and the fundamental there
00:38:11.860 is energy freedom
00:38:12.860 because it's not about
00:38:13.540 fossil fuels
00:38:14.200 just fossil fuels
00:38:14.920 happen to be the most
00:38:15.840 cost effective source
00:38:16.900 of energy
00:38:17.300 for the most people
00:38:18.420 for the foreseeable future
00:38:19.520 but we want all forms
00:38:20.860 of cost effective energy
00:38:21.920 and we need a lot more
00:38:23.060 energy in the world
00:38:23.880 because most people
00:38:24.600 don't have enough
00:38:25.220 and even the rich people
00:38:26.200 I don't think have enough
00:38:27.100 in the scheme of things
00:38:28.400 so we want to liberate
00:38:29.180 things like nuclear
00:38:30.060 maybe there's some promise
00:38:31.160 in deep geothermal
00:38:32.060 so that kind of thing
00:38:32.820 and I lay out here
00:38:34.000 what are the principles
00:38:34.880 and policies
00:38:35.620 that elected officials
00:38:36.560 can follow
00:38:37.220 I found it's really necessary
00:38:38.900 to lay these things out
00:38:39.840 so there's actually a chance
00:38:41.180 that they get done
00:38:42.300 and then chapter 11
00:38:43.420 is about
00:38:44.340 okay
00:38:44.680 now if you've convinced me
00:38:46.320 that we should have
00:38:47.100 a fossil future
00:38:47.860 and you can achieve it
00:38:49.120 primarily via a policy
00:38:50.660 of energy freedom
00:38:51.500 how do we actually
00:38:52.720 persuade people
00:38:53.780 to embrace that future
00:38:55.880 and so it's called
00:38:56.780 reframing the conversation
00:38:58.720 and arguing to 100
00:39:00.600 which is a term
00:39:01.260 some people might have
00:39:02.060 heard me use
00:39:02.720 and it's really saying
00:39:04.280 hey
00:39:04.580 what we need to not do
00:39:06.640 and this kind of relates
00:39:07.700 to some of the stuff
00:39:08.400 you brought up
00:39:09.020 with ethical oil
00:39:09.840 is we need to not conceive
00:39:11.980 the moral framework
00:39:13.080 of the other side
00:39:14.280 which on energy
00:39:15.600 is that our goal
00:39:16.620 should be to eliminate
00:39:17.920 CO2 emissions
00:39:19.000 and that the evil
00:39:20.480 is to increase
00:39:22.060 fossil fuel use
00:39:22.720 like we should reject
00:39:23.620 that framing
00:39:24.360 if you accept that framing
00:39:25.580 and try to argue
00:39:26.220 it's a losing battle
00:39:28.180 you need to argue
00:39:29.360 fundamentally
00:39:30.060 for a framing
00:39:31.240 of what I call 100
00:39:33.440 the goal is advancing
00:39:34.680 human flourishing
00:39:35.540 on earth
00:39:35.960 and then the evil
00:39:37.260 is eliminating
00:39:38.100 human impact on earth
00:39:39.320 and a key portion
00:39:40.680 a key aspect
00:39:41.940 of advancing
00:39:42.620 human flourishing
00:39:43.180 is expanding
00:39:44.380 human empowerment
00:39:45.260 so it should be all about
00:39:46.340 how do we expand
00:39:47.420 human empowerment
00:39:48.220 as much as possible
00:39:49.680 yeah
00:39:50.100 you know you just made me
00:39:51.120 think of the old
00:39:51.900 environmentalist credo
00:39:54.260 the three R's
00:39:55.800 reduce
00:39:56.580 reuse
00:39:57.580 recycle
00:39:58.560 yeah
00:39:58.980 and I suppose
00:39:59.880 if you're thinking
00:40:00.420 about garbage
00:40:01.260 sure reduce the amount
00:40:02.320 of garbage
00:40:02.820 if there's some way
00:40:04.300 to reuse something
00:40:05.560 sure
00:40:06.100 and recycle
00:40:07.360 if it makes sense
00:40:08.120 but I think that
00:40:09.340 their entire world view
00:40:10.760 is reduce
00:40:11.360 reduce everything
00:40:12.460 reduce the number
00:40:13.560 of people
00:40:13.920 Bill Gates is a big
00:40:14.900 proponent for reducing
00:40:16.160 the number of people
00:40:17.620 in the world
00:40:17.980 it's sort of creepy
00:40:18.640 to think of how much
00:40:19.500 of a depopulation guy
00:40:21.520 he is
00:40:22.080 when he's out there
00:40:23.080 with vaccines
00:40:23.660 I don't know
00:40:24.200 how those things
00:40:25.060 can be squared
00:40:25.860 reduce reuse recycle
00:40:27.560 as a way of saying
00:40:28.300 you know
00:40:29.220 make do with less
00:40:30.880 or as a world
00:40:32.000 economic form
00:40:32.780 I'd say
00:40:33.220 you'll own nothing
00:40:34.400 and you'll be happy
00:40:35.360 it's just
00:40:36.240 and I think it's
00:40:37.860 people repeat
00:40:38.720 that mantra
00:40:39.460 not thinking
00:40:40.340 I mean
00:40:40.620 we don't want to reduce
00:40:42.140 we want to grow
00:40:42.860 we want more people
00:40:44.340 happy people
00:40:45.200 we want life
00:40:46.620 you know
00:40:48.080 the Jews
00:40:48.520 have the same
00:40:49.060 we're trying
00:40:49.580 to life
00:40:50.280 yeah we should
00:40:51.440 we should come
00:40:52.180 I haven't come up
00:40:52.820 with it off the top of my head
00:40:53.600 we should come up
00:40:54.240 with an alternative
00:40:54.840 I like that
00:40:55.340 and definitely
00:40:55.700 one of them
00:40:56.320 would be produce
00:40:57.100 right
00:40:57.440 because like
00:40:57.900 produce
00:40:58.800 evolve
00:40:59.620 flourish
00:41:00.180 like those are
00:41:00.960 three things
00:41:01.660 right
00:41:01.820 you want to produce
00:41:02.640 value
00:41:03.360 you want to get
00:41:04.260 ever better
00:41:04.940 at doing that
00:41:05.620 so you create
00:41:06.100 more value
00:41:06.740 with fewer negatives
00:41:07.660 and then you want
00:41:08.540 to flourish
00:41:08.900 like you want
00:41:09.480 to enjoy life
00:41:10.200 you want to live
00:41:10.740 to your highest potential
00:41:11.680 and you want
00:41:12.500 billions of people
00:41:13.220 to have the opportunity
00:41:14.180 to do this
00:41:14.780 and we're still
00:41:15.320 in a world
00:41:15.680 where 3 billion people
00:41:16.760 are using less electricity
00:41:17.980 than one of our refrigerators
00:41:19.660 so the world has
00:41:20.480 like we so need
00:41:21.960 a fossil future
00:41:22.880 and I do think
00:41:23.960 that right now
00:41:24.660 we have a unique
00:41:25.440 educational moment
00:41:26.520 because we have
00:41:27.160 an energy crisis
00:41:28.020 and that's a bad thing
00:41:29.520 but it's opening
00:41:30.320 people's minds
00:41:31.120 up to the possibility
00:41:31.980 that hey
00:41:32.860 getting rid of fossil fuels
00:41:34.080 might be a problem
00:41:34.920 and maybe that's why
00:41:35.820 Europe is so
00:41:36.540 drastically dependent
00:41:37.740 on Russia right now
00:41:38.740 yeah
00:41:39.180 well there's so much
00:41:40.360 to talk about
00:41:40.960 and we can't jam it
00:41:41.940 all in one conversation
00:41:43.580 but I'm just thrilled
00:41:45.260 when I heard
00:41:45.800 your new book
00:41:46.300 was coming out
00:41:46.900 I was delighted
00:41:47.440 and I know
00:41:47.900 that some of the
00:41:49.080 mainstream media
00:41:49.860 tried to
00:41:50.480 you know
00:41:51.220 detonate your project
00:41:52.420 before it was born
00:41:53.300 I'm thrilled
00:41:54.040 that you've launched it
00:41:55.260 with such
00:41:56.100 excitement
00:41:58.800 I see a lot of people
00:41:59.860 talking about it online
00:42:00.940 the book again
00:42:01.920 is called
00:42:02.340 Fossil Future
00:42:03.860 it's called
00:42:04.800 Fossil Future
00:42:05.540 and just so that
00:42:06.680 people know
00:42:07.220 because it's
00:42:07.780 this is coming out
00:42:08.780 this week
00:42:09.140 if you order this week
00:42:10.280 which I hope you do
00:42:11.500 so this is what
00:42:12.060 it looks like
00:42:12.560 it's kind of a monster
00:42:13.500 but it's a
00:42:14.480 fun monster to read
00:42:15.880 it's got a lot of stuff
00:42:16.660 in it
00:42:16.900 just make sure
00:42:18.000 to send your receipt
00:42:19.020 to FossilFuture
00:42:20.640 at AlexEpstein.com
00:42:22.020 because we've got
00:42:22.440 a ton of bonus resources
00:42:23.640 that'll teach you
00:42:24.320 even more about energy
00:42:25.300 including how to talk
00:42:26.840 to anyone about
00:42:27.540 climate change
00:42:28.280 is one of the
00:42:28.840 live events
00:42:29.780 I'm going to do
00:42:30.580 which I think
00:42:30.940 would be particularly
00:42:31.540 interesting to your audience
00:42:32.520 so just email
00:42:33.160 FossilFuture
00:42:34.160 at AlexEpstein.com
00:42:35.360 with your receipt
00:42:36.360 that's great
00:42:37.160 and of course
00:42:37.600 it's on Amazon
00:42:38.300 and is there
00:42:39.800 a general website
00:42:41.020 you have
00:42:41.760 that's like
00:42:42.180 the best place
00:42:42.860 to go and say
00:42:43.500 well what's cooking
00:42:44.060 what are you up to
00:42:45.660 yeah I mean
00:42:46.940 I would just say
00:42:47.440 now you can just
00:42:47.900 go to AlexEpstein.com
00:42:49.140 and that has
00:42:49.680 all of my projects
00:42:50.520 there and you can
00:42:51.100 click and get
00:42:51.820 to any of them
00:42:52.400 all right well listen
00:42:53.400 thanks so much
00:42:54.440 for making the time
00:42:55.080 for us
00:42:55.340 I know you're
00:42:56.020 busy doing rounds
00:42:56.920 the book looks great
00:42:57.980 that's a thick book
00:42:59.120 there's a lot of
00:42:59.720 stuff in there
00:43:00.180 but it's
00:43:00.680 but it's plain
00:43:01.480 language reading
00:43:02.220 you don't have
00:43:02.620 to be a technical
00:43:03.240 expert to get into it
00:43:04.320 no no no
00:43:05.460 one of my new
00:43:06.540 buddies Vivek
00:43:07.260 Ramaswamy
00:43:07.860 who wrote
00:43:08.200 Woke Inc
00:43:08.720 he said
00:43:09.200 you know
00:43:09.480 any high schooler
00:43:10.520 can understand this
00:43:11.500 and that's
00:43:12.340 you know
00:43:12.900 I worked a lot
00:43:13.800 to make it clear
00:43:14.600 so yeah
00:43:15.080 for sure
00:43:15.600 anyone can read it
00:43:16.680 yeah that's so
00:43:17.400 that's so important
00:43:18.220 well listen
00:43:18.640 congratulations on the book
00:43:19.880 pleasure to have you
00:43:20.840 on the show
00:43:21.400 AlexEpstein.com
00:43:23.180 get the book
00:43:23.640 on Amazon
00:43:24.080 good luck
00:43:25.320 and we'll look forward
00:43:25.820 to talking again soon
00:43:26.860 all right
00:43:27.760 see you soon Ezra
00:43:28.440 all right
00:43:28.980 there you have it
00:43:29.680 the book is called
00:43:30.480 Fossil Future
00:43:31.300 stay with us
00:43:32.500 more ahead
00:43:33.040 hey welcome back
00:43:45.900 your viewer mail
00:43:46.840 lobster boy
00:43:47.720 I'm guessing that's
00:43:48.500 not the name
00:43:48.900 your mama gave you
00:43:49.580 we need to rethink
00:43:52.040 our relationship
00:43:52.800 with Trudeau
00:43:53.420 and the liberals
00:43:54.040 not the USA
00:43:55.360 yeah you're exactly right
00:43:57.420 I mean remember
00:43:57.900 that Trudeau
00:43:58.520 I think in the last
00:43:59.340 election he had
00:44:00.160 the lowest
00:44:00.780 percentage of vote
00:44:02.240 of any party
00:44:03.300 ever to form government
00:44:04.240 I think that's
00:44:05.000 a statistical fact
00:44:06.140 so we just didn't
00:44:08.220 have a real choice
00:44:08.880 Aaron O'Toole
00:44:09.340 was not a real choice
00:44:10.120 what I like about
00:44:10.920 the conservative party race
00:44:12.040 is you got some real
00:44:13.340 you know some
00:44:14.780 real different visions
00:44:15.960 Patrick Brown
00:44:16.860 John Charest
00:44:17.920 Roman Baber
00:44:19.140 Pierre Polyev
00:44:20.660 Les DeLuce
00:44:21.280 some real differences there
00:44:22.680 and I think it's quite likely
00:44:24.460 that you're going to
00:44:25.740 have a sharp contrast
00:44:26.860 between the conservatives
00:44:28.120 and Justin Trudeau
00:44:29.120 and we'll see if Canadians
00:44:30.200 want to choose freedom
00:44:31.380 we'll see
00:44:32.000 Darren 51283
00:44:34.940 now that's a name
00:44:35.800 your mama gives you
00:44:36.660 the following fact
00:44:38.560 speaks volumes
00:44:39.720 and serves to demonstrate
00:44:40.920 how people eventually
00:44:42.120 wise up to
00:44:42.960 who is feeding them
00:44:43.860 lies
00:44:44.640 and who is telling
00:44:45.600 them the truth
00:44:46.140 Tucker is immensely popular
00:44:47.960 and can use it
00:44:48.900 to gain in popularity
00:44:49.760 while the likes of
00:44:50.440 CNN
00:44:51.040 and the CBC
00:44:53.120 are only able to
00:44:54.360 attract an embarrassing
00:44:55.240 low
00:44:55.620 as in statistically
00:44:57.740 irrelevant
00:44:58.340 percentage of the population
00:44:59.780 that is very true
00:45:01.780 I mean
00:45:02.160 there once was a time
00:45:04.060 when CBC's nightly
00:45:05.760 news show called
00:45:06.500 The National
00:45:07.100 would often hit
00:45:08.740 a million viewers
00:45:10.120 I haven't even bothered
00:45:11.360 to check the stats lately
00:45:12.720 wouldn't surprise me
00:45:13.940 if it's maybe
00:45:14.960 a quarter million
00:45:15.920 these days
00:45:16.540 maybe even lower
00:45:17.360 they don't publish
00:45:18.700 their stats
00:45:19.200 because they're so low
00:45:19.840 but think about that
00:45:20.540 you've got a country
00:45:21.380 with 38 million people
00:45:24.020 so 1% of people watching
00:45:25.900 would be 380,000
00:45:27.800 they are not even at that
00:45:29.520 so when you say
00:45:30.940 the CBC holds
00:45:31.880 our country together
00:45:32.780 yeah no
00:45:34.140 when maybe
00:45:35.120 0.5%
00:45:37.580 of the people
00:45:38.180 even watch it
00:45:39.380 CBC's just a
00:45:41.100 make work project
00:45:41.980 for propagandists
00:45:43.200 it's not real
00:45:44.000 Allison Stewart says
00:45:47.040 Avi looks tired
00:45:48.380 but he is fighting
00:45:49.760 the good fight
00:45:50.500 every voice is a thorn
00:45:52.320 in their sides
00:45:53.020 oh he's been doing great
00:45:54.880 and we got six
00:45:55.660 journalists over there
00:45:56.540 you got to go to
00:45:57.680 wefreports.com
00:45:59.500 because I think
00:46:00.600 we've got to have
00:46:01.400 close to 40 stories
00:46:03.520 up there now
00:46:04.180 even in the past day
00:46:05.460 we've got some great ones
00:46:06.740 I'm so proud of our team
00:46:08.560 and it's great to be
00:46:09.320 back traveling again
00:46:10.260 we really hadn't done
00:46:11.360 a lot of that
00:46:11.880 over the last couple years
00:46:13.240 in fact many of our people
00:46:15.280 you'll notice that
00:46:16.460 there are actually
00:46:16.880 no Canadians on that trip
00:46:18.120 we have two Aussies
00:46:19.620 two Brits
00:46:20.240 and two Americans
00:46:20.940 because we're still
00:46:22.360 on the no fly list
00:46:23.240 here in Canada
00:46:23.800 let me close
00:46:25.860 with our video of the day
00:46:27.460 by Sidney Fizzard
00:46:28.980 what does the average
00:46:30.500 Canadian know
00:46:31.460 about the world
00:46:32.020 economic forum
00:46:32.860 he hit the streets
00:46:33.680 to find out
00:46:34.340 I'll leave you
00:46:34.960 with that great video
00:46:35.780 until tomorrow
00:46:37.100 on behalf of all of us
00:46:38.120 here at Rebel World
00:46:38.860 Headquarters
00:46:39.280 see you at home
00:46:39.880 good night
00:46:40.360 and keep fighting
00:46:41.460 for freedom
00:46:41.940 with the introduction
00:46:44.020 of new global initiatives
00:46:45.580 like those towards
00:46:46.660 fighting the coronavirus
00:46:47.820 as they would say
00:46:48.720 this trend of globalism
00:46:50.620 has re-arisen
00:46:51.760 and many are calling it
00:46:53.040 the great reset
00:46:54.140 oh reset
00:46:55.240 but they often
00:46:56.460 don't publicly announce
00:46:57.920 their stance
00:46:58.420 as much as they claim to
00:46:59.700 and they often say
00:47:00.380 that they're here
00:47:01.280 to support the common man
00:47:02.420 they want the betterment
00:47:03.240 of society
00:47:03.760 but what does that
00:47:04.840 actually mean
00:47:05.480 and how many people
00:47:06.240 actually know
00:47:06.880 about their existence
00:47:07.860 considering that
00:47:08.840 these big organizations
00:47:09.720 are trying to control
00:47:10.920 the lives of each
00:47:11.900 and every one of us
00:47:13.100 do you know anything
00:47:15.840 about the world economic forum
00:47:17.080 not really
00:47:18.700 no
00:47:18.900 no
00:47:19.280 I don't know anything
00:47:20.260 you haven't heard about
00:47:24.780 you know the great reset
00:47:26.060 the world economic forum
00:47:28.180 yeah but
00:47:30.780 no
00:47:31.080 a little bit
00:47:34.700 you're okay with eating bugs
00:47:36.000 right
00:47:36.260 no meat on the table
00:47:37.160 only bugs
00:47:37.780 that's right
00:47:38.840 I'm okay with being poor
00:47:39.620 joking
00:47:41.080 the amount of water
00:47:43.520 it takes
00:47:44.020 the greenhouse gas emissions
00:47:45.940 that it emits
00:47:47.100 compared to livestock
00:47:48.120 the amount of land
00:47:49.080 that's required
00:47:49.760 feed that's required
00:47:51.640 there are so many factors
00:47:54.280 that just lead to
00:47:56.360 you know
00:47:57.360 this is kind of smart
00:47:58.720 what if I told you that
00:48:00.340 they wanted you to eat bugs
00:48:01.420 instead of meat
00:48:02.120 you'd be okay with that
00:48:03.240 no
00:48:04.640 why not
00:48:05.720 you like your meat
00:48:06.360 yeah
00:48:06.680 I think that'd be absurd
00:48:08.360 you like meat
00:48:09.820 steaks
00:48:10.440 yeah I do
00:48:10.640 yes
00:48:11.100 bugs
00:48:11.460 would you
00:48:11.840 would you go along with that
00:48:12.760 no
00:48:13.420 I don't think so guys
00:48:15.540 you'd be okay with that
00:48:16.460 yeah
00:48:17.200 that would be awesome
00:48:20.520 that'd be awesome
00:48:21.300 oh how come
00:48:22.000 that'd be interesting
00:48:23.940 you'd be okay with that
00:48:24.920 I know all about that
00:48:26.120 kind of stuff
00:48:26.720 for the sake of the environment
00:48:27.920 is to switch from eating meat
00:48:29.080 to eating bugs
00:48:29.720 you'd be okay with that
00:48:30.820 maybe
00:48:32.580 maybe
00:48:33.300 I have tried before
00:48:34.480 I'm in the health food business
00:48:36.420 anyway
00:48:36.760 so
00:48:37.240 yeah
00:48:37.800 so
00:48:38.280 like from crickets to
00:48:39.720 maybe not ants
00:48:41.820 and stuff like that
00:48:42.580 but it's like
00:48:43.180 yeah
00:48:44.220 I wouldn't mind that too
00:48:46.200 I don't eat that much
00:48:47.260 meat anyway
00:48:47.960 so
00:48:48.340 I don't eat a lot of meat myself
00:48:51.340 I'm more of a salad person
00:48:53.040 now
00:48:54.080 in California
00:48:55.260 the big thing
00:48:56.480 is
00:48:57.540 bugs and dirt
00:48:59.620 gourmet dirt
00:49:00.780 that's
00:49:01.920 that's in California
00:49:02.880 I don't know if that's
00:49:03.880 that's
00:49:04.280 that's here
00:49:04.680 I don't know if you'd be
00:49:05.960 into eating
00:49:06.640 well what if I told you
00:49:07.740 that they wanted you
00:49:08.400 to live in a pod
00:49:09.180 you know like the matrix
00:49:09.980 that'd be kind of cool right
00:49:10.920 no
00:49:11.680 no
00:49:12.280 why not
00:49:13.060 I like my space
00:49:14.460 yeah
00:49:15.160 I value my space
00:49:16.800 and my privacy
00:49:17.540 do you want to live in a pod though
00:49:18.840 like the matrix
00:49:19.580 no
00:49:20.220 like the matrix
00:49:21.360 no
00:49:22.020 yeah
00:49:23.420 no
00:49:24.320 you don't want that
00:49:25.420 no
00:49:25.680 no
00:49:26.100 I haven't heard about that
00:49:29.620 but that would be kind of cool too
00:49:31.560 you don't want to live in a pod
00:49:32.880 like a matrix pod
00:49:35.200 no I don't
00:49:36.240 and then you go out and live your life happy
00:49:37.620 yeah not for me
00:49:38.680 you'd be okay with that right
00:49:39.780 I really doubt it
00:49:41.880 you know like the matrix
00:49:42.660 how everyone lives in a pod
00:49:43.760 you guys would be okay with that
00:49:44.960 no
00:49:45.260 oh yeah
00:49:45.520 no
00:49:45.900 we already do
00:49:46.500 yeah
00:49:46.800 living in a pod
00:49:47.780 fair enough
00:49:48.540 he's sarcastic
00:49:49.380 I'm not sarcastic
00:49:50.340 if they told you that you had to own nothing
00:49:52.320 and that you would be happy
00:49:53.300 would you be okay with that
00:49:54.180 no
00:49:55.880 no
00:49:56.340 you're okay if that dog was like
00:49:57.780 property of the state
00:49:58.600 and you were just renting it
00:49:59.440 right
00:49:59.620 no he's mine
00:50:00.420 can't take him away from me
00:50:02.920 this would belong to every single one of us
00:50:04.940 this would be my microphone
00:50:05.940 it'd be your microphone
00:50:06.840 but isn't that kind of like
00:50:07.860 that'd be my coffee
00:50:08.620 communism or something like that
00:50:10.760 everybody
00:50:11.200 everybody has
00:50:12.380 I wouldn't say that
00:50:13.700 you wouldn't have anything
00:50:14.960 I think people gotta realize
00:50:17.300 your health is your wealth
00:50:18.600 for one thing
00:50:19.320 own nothing
00:50:20.120 but be happy
00:50:20.900 how would you feel about that
00:50:21.740 not good
00:50:22.460 I like my stuff
00:50:23.660 you're okay not owning that bike right
00:50:25.440 no I would love to have my bike
00:50:29.360 yeah that's my
00:50:31.060 that's my mental stability
00:50:33.720 and everything else
00:50:34.780 so that's my freedom
00:50:36.860 that's how I get around
00:50:39.420 and it's like
00:50:40.100 you know
00:50:40.560 without driving
00:50:41.440 and everything like that
00:50:42.280 one of the things they're proposing
00:50:43.340 is that you're gonna own nothing
00:50:44.620 but you'll be happy
00:50:45.720 you guys would be happy
00:50:46.800 owning nothing right
00:50:47.560 well you know what
00:50:49.620 I was sort of a minimalist
00:50:51.880 and now I have more stuff
00:50:53.980 than I actually really need
00:50:55.600 so I guess you'd have to figure out
00:50:57.660 exactly what you'd need
00:50:59.620 and what you
00:51:00.120 what you want
00:51:00.940 because some people
00:51:02.440 have so little
00:51:04.020 and they're the happiest people
00:51:05.440 and then some people
00:51:06.660 will actually say
00:51:07.820 does this
00:51:09.660 do you own this stuff
00:51:11.060 or does this stuff own you
00:51:12.580 own nothing
00:51:13.480 and you're gonna be happy
00:51:14.320 all of us
00:51:14.840 you're okay with that
00:51:16.060 no
00:51:16.440 they're doing a great job so far
00:51:17.860 a great job so far
00:51:18.880 so he's
00:51:19.340 no I
00:51:19.860 I'm a literal person
00:51:21.320 no I think it's bull
00:51:22.280 I think it's very unfortunate
00:51:23.620 and it's a lie
00:51:24.520 of course no one is going to be happy
00:51:26.140 if they have nothing
00:51:26.980 or own nothing
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