Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Canadian-style book censorship comes to China

00:00:00.600 Oh hey, Rebels, I bet you're expecting Ezra Levant and his lyrical musings, but no, it's

00:00:07.480 me, Sheila Gunn-Reed, and I'm filling in for Ezra on his show tonight.

00:00:11.340 Tonight, my guest is Adam Sose, and we're talking about the papal visit to Canada that's

00:00:17.240 happening early next week and the lies that prompted it.

00:00:21.300 And my monologue tonight is about how Canadian-style book censorship has come to China.

00:00:28.640 I didn't say that wrong.

00:00:30.160 I really did mean to call it Canadian-style book censorship coming to China, and you'll

00:00:34.600 see exactly what I mean.

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00:01:40.640 Canadian-style book censorship comes to China.

00:01:43.560 Yes, I did read that right.

00:01:45.320 Then, reporter Adam Sos joins us to talk about the Pope visiting Alberta and then Quebec.

00:01:49.200 It's July 22nd, 2022.

00:01:52.360 I'm Sheila Gunn-Reed, but you are watching The Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:55.660 He's ready for freedom!

00:01:58.540 Shame on you, you censorious bug!

00:02:10.300 Do you remember when Justin Trudeau said this about the communist dictatorship and chronic

00:02:14.640 human rights abusers in the Chinese government not all that long ago?

00:02:18.280 Remember this?

00:02:19.200 There's a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship

00:02:29.360 is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say, we need to go green

00:02:34.860 as fast as we need to start investing in solar.

00:02:37.760 I mean, there is a flexibility that I know Stephen Harper must dream about, of having a dictatorship

00:02:42.620 that he could do everything he wanted, that I find quite interesting.

00:02:47.000 But Justin Trudeau's admiration for the evil communist government of China is so deep and

00:02:51.180 so all-consuming that sometimes he out-CCPs the CCP.

00:02:54.400 For example, in May, China arrested Cardinal Zen, the outspoken Catholic Cardinal of Hong Kong,

00:03:00.260 an elderly man who fearlessly speaks out for human rights and religious freedom,

00:03:04.880 knowing it could mean his death.

00:03:06.440 This man begs his own church not to capitulate to the evil of the communists as they force

00:03:11.080 Christians underground and rewrite the Christian Bible to strip it of important lessons about

00:03:15.640 the supremacy of God over the state.

00:03:17.720 And the world when Zen was arrested took notice.

00:03:20.440 But here in Canada, we've been doing that stuff for years, arresting pastors like Art Poloski,

00:03:25.360 Tim Stevens, James Coates, forcing their congregations into hiding and holding the men in prison for

00:03:31.140 failing to give their churches over to the control of the state during COVID.

00:03:35.080 Now, to be clear, this, much of it happened in Alberta under a conservative premier who has

00:03:39.200 now resigned, thank God.

00:03:41.080 But had this happened in China or the USA, the world would have spoken out.

00:03:45.540 But since it happened in progressive Trudeau's Canada and to Christians,

00:03:49.980 none of the usual human rights advocates said much of anything.

00:03:53.260 By the way, that ruling which saw Art Poloski held for contempt for weeks,

00:03:56.860 it was thrown out today in the Alberta Court of Appeal.

00:03:59.820 Three judges were sober second thought as they threw the whole thing out.

00:04:05.240 They ordered the fines and costs paid by Art returned,

00:04:07.800 but they can't give him back the time he served in jail.

00:04:11.200 Now, back to Cardinal Zen.

00:04:12.680 Unlike Alberta's pastors held for weeks each, Zen was released on bail within hours.

00:04:18.020 But in Canada, political dissidents like Cardinal Zen, well, they're denied bail.

00:04:23.380 Pat King, a man with whom I have many disagreements,

00:04:26.840 was recently just released on bail after being held since February on a dozen mostly minor charges

00:04:33.120 related to his participation in the anti-Trudeau, anti-COVID restriction freedom convoy to Ottawa protest.

00:04:39.340 Five months in jail.

00:04:40.740 Then there's Tamara Leach, the smiley Métis grandma from Medicine Hat,

00:04:44.240 a woman so diminutive and unthreatening that she makes me look like an Amazon.

00:04:48.380 She was held for weeks after her first arrest for the crime of creatively and peacefully protesting her government in our nation's capital.

00:04:57.660 She was re-arrested after taking a verboten photograph with a fellow convoy organizer,

00:05:02.700 which the liberal supporting crown prosecutor now claims is a violation of a requirement

00:05:07.080 to not communicate with her fellow convoy organizers unless Leach is with her lawyers.

00:05:12.420 However, the picture was taken at an event put on by Leach's lawyers.

00:05:16.000 Trudeau's Emergencies Act, the one he used to euthanize the protests against him in silence and imprison his critics,

00:05:23.160 sounds a lot like the security laws the Chinese government frequently uses to arrest people like Cardinal Zen

00:05:28.360 for being just a little too vocal about their distaste for the current government.

00:05:32.920 And that brings me to my actual point, and I know it took us a bit of a ways to get here.

00:05:37.700 Sorry about that.

00:05:38.580 Because this story here is why I really started this monologue today.

00:05:42.400 I saw this in The Guardian.

00:05:43.820 Yeah, I know sometimes I read The Guardian.

00:05:46.000 This looks like Canadian-style book censorship coming to China.

00:05:50.040 Look at this.

00:05:50.940 Hong Kong publishers excluded from book fair over politically sensitive material.

00:05:55.200 At least three booksellers say they were banned from the annual jamboree as the city embarks on new forms of censorship.

00:06:02.360 Hong Kong publishers have decried a new form of censorship after vendors selling books deemed politically sensitive

00:06:08.280 were allegedly excluded from the industry's traditional annual trade fair with hundreds of exhibitors spread over the city's major exhibition facility.

00:06:17.100 The seven-day event which began this week once drew more than 1 million visitors and was a staple business opportunity for the sector.

00:06:24.620 But this year publishers that showcased books last year about the protests that swept the city in 2019 have been banned from the book fair without explanation.

00:06:33.940 I know you might say, Sheila, we don't ban books in Canada.

00:06:37.660 You're being crazy.

00:06:38.460 Yeah, we just investigate them like when Justin Trudeau's elections cops investigated my boss, Ezra Levant, for writing a book critical of the government in the lead up to an election,

00:06:47.780 which is exactly when you should be reading books critical of the government, by the way.

00:06:51.360 But no, we actually do ban books and no one really bats an eye about it because politics.

00:06:58.180 True North journalist Andrew Lawton wrote a best-selling book that was a bestseller in multiple categories before it was even released.

00:07:04.760 It's called The Freedom Convoy, the inside story of three weeks that shook the world.

00:07:09.080 And it's about those anti-Trudeau Freedom Convoy protests that landed in the city of Ottawa and remained peacefully there for nearly four weeks before,

00:07:17.040 as I explained earlier, Justin Trudeau used a Chinese-style security law to round up political dissidents like Tamara Leach and seize their assets.

00:07:26.540 Indigo, Canada's largest physical book retailer, will not put Andrew's book on the shelf.

00:07:31.420 They won't explain why they won't do it.

00:07:33.700 Now, this is a publisher that will happily sell you a copy of the Communist Manifesto in paperback for about 11 books,

00:07:40.220 a book that laid the groundwork for the deaths of millions of people worldwide.

00:07:45.120 Chapters Indigo will also sell you a copy of Mein Kampf written by Hitler.

00:07:49.560 But the subject matter of Andrew Lawton's book, his first-hand reporting on the Freedom Convoy,

00:07:54.400 well, that might be just a little too touchy for these people.

00:07:58.120 Justin Trudeau didn't even have to do what other communist countries do, forcibly nationalizing the business sector.

00:08:04.740 You see, in the Western world, the business community is just so woke and so weak that they complied of laziness and cowardice.

00:08:11.200 They know the rules without even being told.

00:08:13.500 It makes me wonder if someday some idiotic, generational Chinese politician will say that Canada is the authoritarian bully that he really admires.

00:08:23.840 Stay with us. Adam Sos joins us up after the break.

00:08:27.500 Early next week, Pope Francis, the leader of the Global Catholic Church, is coming to Canada.

00:08:44.540 His first stop is in Edmonton.

00:08:47.320 And Rebel News journalists, you might not believe this, but we have been accredited to cover the event,

00:08:52.480 and the accreditation process was actually handled through Global Affairs Canada.

00:08:57.340 But we are going to be out in full force to cover this monumental and historic visit by Pope Francis to Alberta's capital.

00:09:06.420 And we're going to cover a lot of the different political angles that perhaps the other outlets covering the event may not understand.

00:09:13.000 So joining me now is a fellow Catholic and Pope watcher, Adam Sos, my colleague from Calgary.

00:09:19.220 Adam, thanks for coming on the show as I fill in for Ezra.

00:09:22.540 Why don't you give us a rough breakdown of sort of the Pope's itinerary, and then we'll talk about why he's coming.

00:09:29.600 Yeah, so Pope Francis is set to arrive on Sunday in Edmonton.

00:09:33.000 Edmonton, effectively, that day is going to be, he's an older man, obviously, so Pope Francis will arrive, make his way,

00:09:40.640 which in fact actually involves closing down the entire QA2 into Edmonton.

00:09:44.980 He's going to rest for the remainder of the day.

00:09:47.220 For the following few days, he is in Edmonton, visiting a couple locations of significance.

00:09:52.440 I'm just outside of Edmonton, kind of back towards Calgary a little bit.

00:09:55.580 And he's going to be visiting one of the Indigenous communities there, as well as Sacred Heart Church in Edmonton,

00:10:02.120 which is sort of an Indigenous-oriented Catholic church.

00:10:05.840 And then the big day really will be Tuesday, where there will be mass at Commonwealth Stadium.

00:10:11.880 65,000 people or more are expected for that, and that's not including potential protesters.

00:10:16.420 And there will also be a pilgrimage of sorts out to Lac-Saint-Anne, which is a rather well-known

00:10:22.780 and famous Catholic, Indigenous-connected pilgrimage site here in Alberta, an hour and a half out of Edmonton.

00:10:29.860 So a very busy itinerary.

00:10:31.540 After that, he's going to be heading out to Quebec.

00:10:34.140 And I know Alexa will be there touching base with her, but it should be a very interesting visit.

00:10:38.800 Overall, they're assuming that there will be as many as 120,000 visitors,

00:10:44.260 whether protesters or attendees or whatever it may be, in Edmonton for the papal visit.

00:10:49.580 So basically a 10% jump to the city's population accompanying Pope Francis.

00:10:55.460 Yeah, this is a huge deal.

00:10:56.680 One of my earliest memories is John Paul II coming to Edmonton and going with my mum.

00:11:02.440 And I think the reason for this trip spawns from a lie.

00:11:08.380 And it spawns from Justin Trudeau attempting to abdicate liberal responsibility for the residential school problem.

00:11:18.920 So the demand for Pope Francis, an elderly, sickly pope, to come across the world on this trip

00:11:27.600 has to do with residential school discoveries, which, as it turns out, are not really discoveries at all.

00:11:33.740 And then Justin Trudeau demanded that Pope Francis apologize for cultural genocide.

00:11:41.460 And as you have an interview coming out with a priest who is of Indigenous descent,

00:11:47.940 who says that the church did what the government asked them to do with regard to residential schools.

00:11:53.440 Why do you explain it? I'm talking too much.

00:11:55.120 You have the full story. You explain it.

00:11:57.640 Yeah, you know, it's incredible, actually.

00:11:59.180 And very often what we have, and this is extremely problematic,

00:12:01.420 which is why I wanted to go straight to the source,

00:12:03.820 you have people speaking on behalf of Indigenous communities

00:12:06.540 rather than members of the Indigenous communities themselves sharing their stories.

00:12:11.160 So Father Cristino Bouvette is a priest of Indigenous heritage.

00:12:15.240 He's also, as I mentioned, a Catholic priest.

00:12:17.740 So I sat down with him to talk about sort of the hopes, ambitions, and intentions behind this.

00:12:21.940 But we did get into some of the nitty-gritty and talked about the history,

00:12:25.480 the fact the church has apologized several times.

00:12:28.060 John Paul II apologized on his tour.

00:12:31.860 Pope Benedict apologized.

00:12:33.520 Pope Francis apologized repeatedly, saying, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,

00:12:36.920 to make overtly clear that this is certainly a dark portion of the church's history.

00:12:42.940 But Father Cristino Bouvette did an incredible job getting into the fact

00:12:46.340 that these residential schools were mandated by the government,

00:12:50.620 organized by the government, funded by the government.

00:12:52.600 And basically what happened was they would ask local communities,

00:12:56.620 so it wasn't necessarily always Catholic communities,

00:12:58.820 but places that had facilities that could oversee teaching,

00:13:03.260 oversee hospital care, all these types of things, to be involved.

00:13:06.800 So they would effectively contract them out

00:13:08.440 to run these federal, state-mandated residential schools.

00:13:12.820 That being said, that doesn't excuse that there was abuse,

00:13:16.420 that it was categorically wrong, but it does 100% speak to the fact

00:13:22.740 that this was run by the liberal government,

00:13:25.260 and even Justin Trudeau's own dad was involved in the residential school legacy.

00:13:29.860 But yeah, the amount of malice directed and the redirect

00:13:36.320 that the government's trying to do to point the finger at the church

00:13:41.320 and single-handedly the church is political, and it's dangerous.

00:13:44.460 We saw mass arson, vandalism, all of those things resulting

00:13:49.040 from these faulty headlines that have now largely been debunked.

00:13:53.680 Father Cristino and numerous Indigenous leaders that I've spoken to

00:13:56.680 when we've been out doing the repair the roof campaign

00:13:59.520 or some of these other initiatives, they've said that this is not news.

00:14:04.600 This is news to white people maybe, but for the Indigenous communities,

00:14:07.780 this is hurt that they've been working through.

00:14:10.640 And for this to be drawn up and drawn out as political fodder

00:14:15.740 or political campaigning material is sickening.

00:14:20.140 And the fact that when they realized, oh, wait, they already knew about this

00:14:23.260 or this isn't a mass grave, it's actually an apple orchard,

00:14:26.040 when that stuff came out, these mainstream media outlets who were all over this,

00:14:29.660 who were heralding this and demeaning and bashing the church,

00:14:33.200 well, they were nowhere to be found when it came to retracting

00:14:36.380 or correcting those errors.

00:14:38.380 One of the things we talked about was truth and reconciliation,

00:14:41.420 and Father Cristino rightly pointed out that truth encompasses all truth,

00:14:47.360 not just the truth of certain voices and certain people,

00:14:49.860 and that we can't have honest reconciliation if we're only having versions

00:14:53.040 versions or select snippets and selective choices of the truth.

00:14:57.740 We need the truth in its entirety.

00:15:00.140 As I see this, as I see Justin Trudeau demanding that the Pope come here

00:15:04.460 and apologize for cultural genocide, something the church has repeatedly apologized for,

00:15:09.600 it feels as though cynical legacy building for Justin Trudeau,

00:15:13.820 that he is the guy that was able to wring out yet another apology from yet another highly apologetic Pope.

00:15:22.380 So I don't know what Trudeau thinks he's achieving here,

00:15:25.820 but I think it's legacy building for Trudeau that even the church,

00:15:30.960 the global church, was under his foot and did what he demanded.

00:15:34.820 One hundred percent.

00:15:36.740 I think you've got it right there on the money.

00:15:38.980 And frankly, as someone who's extremely concerned about Indigenous issues,

00:15:42.720 I mean, I've got a few issues in this country that really get me upset.

00:15:46.680 And the fact that current Indigenous populations don't have clean drinking water,

00:15:50.480 the kids' skin is being burnt by acids and even carcinogens in those waters,

00:15:55.560 in Canada, a purportedly advanced civilized democracy,

00:16:00.060 while Justin Trudeau parades around as though he's the savior of these people,

00:16:03.920 is absolutely sickening to me.

00:16:05.820 So we also spoke at length.

00:16:07.200 And I asked if he expected Pope Francis, a pope who's known to speak at length to social issues

00:16:12.680 and sometimes step into that arena that popes in the past haven't.

00:16:17.460 He may very well call on or at least suggest that the government absolutely needs to,

00:16:23.060 instead of only looking at the past and apologizing for the ills or the wrong,

00:16:26.520 needs to take active action and enact some social justice for the Indigenous communities today.

00:16:30.980 Because the fact is, we care about as much, and I'm not saying we,

00:16:34.320 I'm saying this government cares about as much about the Indigenous peoples today

00:16:38.700 as they did when they ran the residential schools.

00:16:41.100 And that's proof and point in the fact that there isn't clean drinking water.

00:16:45.460 Yeah.

00:16:46.200 John Paul, too, apologized for residential schools in 1984.

00:16:49.600 He made a special visit to Canada just to repair the relationship with Canada's Indigenous people.

00:16:58.780 Anybody who knows anything about the church knows how much John Paul, too,

00:17:02.860 cared about Indigenous people.

00:17:04.900 And he said it had a lot to do with that his mom was an Eastern Rite Catholic.

00:17:08.820 So he thought it was important for the church to speak to the people

00:17:12.520 who are worshipping in the churches, in their language, in their native culture.

00:17:18.260 But leave it to somebody like Justin Trudeau to completely either ignore that

00:17:23.340 or disregard it for his own cynical purposes.

00:17:28.260 And Adam, you've probably repaired one more church than the entire Liberal government ever has.

00:17:36.060 Yeah.

00:17:37.080 And we're just getting started.

00:17:38.420 I think that people at Rebel News, obviously, as we saw with the Repair the Church campaign,

00:17:44.580 where we did replace that church, we replaced some broken windows, got some pest control

00:17:48.940 after the request of Ruby Starley there for us to help her church out

00:17:54.100 because she couldn't get funding from the government.

00:17:55.880 It took mere hours to raise that entire fund base.

00:17:59.640 And I absolutely love that the careless and cold-hearted conservatives that we are,

00:18:05.360 well, it took them hours to pay for that entirely.

00:18:08.420 I don't think that there is an issue that is so unifyingly impassioning

00:18:12.320 as the thought of a Canadian child, Indigenous or not, not having clean drinking water,

00:18:17.440 not having the same rights that we all enjoy as Canadians.

00:18:21.540 So I think we're just getting started on that front.

00:18:23.740 And I do have a campaign in mind that we're working on in the background

00:18:27.140 to have some more meaningful action

00:18:28.780 because I am sick of politicians campaigning on the suffering of Indigenous people.

00:18:32.720 We need politicians provincially, federally, and church leaders to take a stand

00:18:37.760 and make an act of change, not just virtue signal and host panels and synods.

00:18:42.540 We need to have action right away, not in 10 years, not in five years, in a couple months.

00:18:48.520 Now, just on the matter of the church and the Pope coming to Edmonton,

00:18:55.780 the size of the city is anticipated to go up 10 percent.

00:19:00.900 The Pope is a big draw.

00:19:02.280 He's a big deal.

00:19:03.120 And I know that there are Catholics coming from all over the country,

00:19:07.200 all over from North America to Edmonton.

00:19:10.600 But I anticipate that there will be protesters just due to the location

00:19:15.220 of where the papal mass is being held at Commonwealth Stadium, the biggest venue,

00:19:20.600 the only venue that would be able to facilitate something like this.

00:19:24.060 But it's right off the LRT.

00:19:25.500 It's not in the best part of the city.

00:19:27.700 And Edmonton was hit with church vandalism just up the road at St. Josephat.

00:19:32.680 They vandalized a statue of Pope John Paul II.

00:19:36.800 And so what are you and the team sort of planning for

00:19:40.140 with regard to the protests or the antis here?

00:19:44.600 Yeah, we will certainly have an extensive team on the ground bringing you that,

00:19:49.020 bringing the other side of the story, certainly.

00:19:51.180 And it's interesting, Father Cristino, as I spoke with him,

00:19:53.560 he said it's important to hear those perspectives

00:19:56.120 because while there may be some protesters who are there,

00:19:59.360 whether they're paid to or because their boss tells them to or whatever it may be,

00:20:03.740 there will be people protesting because they are absolutely devastated

00:20:07.200 by what I will call the crimes of the church,

00:20:10.080 the crimes of the government within these residential schools.

00:20:12.980 Some of the things we've heard are absolutely heartbreaking that we know to be fact.

00:20:17.420 So I think it is important, and we will ask these people why they are protesting.

00:20:22.040 But I do hope that they come from a place of wanting to heal,

00:20:26.560 wanting to obtain truth, wanting to obtain reconciliation through that process,

00:20:32.220 which can be painful and can lead to these types of outbursts.

00:20:37.480 I think Martin Luther King said something to the effect of, like,

00:20:39.720 violence is the language of people with no voice.

00:20:42.540 There will be some of that, but what my major fear is here

00:20:47.280 is that people who have politicized this issue rather than humanized this issue

00:20:52.060 will be there, the same people who are burning the churches

00:20:55.780 that belong to these Indigenous communities,

00:20:57.920 they will be there completely undermining the process,

00:21:01.800 as Father Cristino and I spoke about in the interview,

00:21:04.040 picking at the scab of reconciliation for personal and vindictive reasons.

00:21:08.660 There will be people there who simply hate the church, hate Christianity,

00:21:12.840 and want to sow seeds of destruction.

00:21:15.280 And I suppose on that front, we're going to cover it.

00:21:17.680 We're going to show those stories that maybe other people will shy away from.

00:21:21.420 If there is ugliness to that side, we will show that as well.

00:21:25.000 But I'm hopeful that people can be respectful,

00:21:29.160 understand that this is a religious leader of a religious community,

00:21:31.960 and if you show up issuing threats, being violent, those are hate crimes.

00:21:36.640 You can't profess to be a great protector and equal rights advocate and progressive

00:21:41.660 and then overtly marginalize, attack, and oppress,

00:21:45.100 and even become violent towards a religious community gathering for worship.

00:21:48.800 That's categorically unacceptable.

00:21:50.700 But again, we will be on the ground covering all of that.

00:21:53.620 And you can find all those reports at popereports.com,

00:21:57.020 right across Canada with Alexa heading over in Quebec, too.

00:21:59.680 We're going to be covering it from start to finish.

00:22:01.920 We'll be inside some events, hopefully asking some questions.

00:22:04.960 We'll certainly be looking in from the outside.

00:22:08.520 The media accreditation process, because there are so many people, is a little bit chaotic.

00:22:13.700 We've applied for access.

00:22:15.320 We've been accredited.

00:22:16.360 But then there's access, because there's only so many spots to different areas.

00:22:19.600 We're waiting to hear back what we'll actually have access to inside.

00:22:22.680 But again, we'll be bringing you the other side of the story from the Pope's visit in Edmonton.

00:22:27.300 Yeah, no matter where we are, whether we're inside or outside,

00:22:30.480 I think we're going to be doing important journalism that you won't see anywhere else.

00:22:35.620 And I do think there is going to be a lot of hypocrisy, hate crimes, hate speech committed against Catholics

00:22:42.960 that the mainstream media will ignore, and we will be there to document it.

00:22:47.460 Adam, thanks so much for being willing to make the journey up to see the Pope

00:22:51.880 and to cover the papal visit to Edmonton.

00:22:55.660 And, you know, you're just such a valuable member of the team, a real team leader in Calgary.

00:22:59.500 Thanks so much, Adam.

00:23:00.820 Thank you.

00:23:01.200 Appreciate that.

00:23:02.160 Your letters to Ezra up next after the break.

00:23:04.520 And we've come to the portion of the show that, well, Ezra used to call it reading his hate mail,

00:23:19.740 but I don't think he gets that much hate mail anymore.

00:23:23.000 I know I don't.

00:23:23.940 I don't think we generally do at Rebel News because despite what the corporate bought-off media would have you believe,

00:23:31.500 I think we are the mainstream.

00:23:32.780 We improperly identify the corporate bought-off subsidized media as the mainstream media,

00:23:38.380 but frankly, I think it's us.

00:23:41.060 Because I think that nowadays, the people who watch us, sure, yeah, the majority are from the right,

00:23:47.180 but there's a substantial portion of people who are on the left, but they are united with us

00:23:52.620 in the idea that they just want to be left alone by the government and by their neighbors to live their lives however they see fit.

00:24:00.480 Now, the mainstream media, they will tell you how to live your life.

00:24:04.980 They'll happily take your money from Justin Trudeau, but they don't want to hear from you.

00:24:09.040 We do.

00:24:09.880 That's why we take your questions and comments at the end of the show.

00:24:13.800 So let's get right into it.

00:24:14.960 Chris Wallace says,

00:24:17.500 The reduction of many taxes and especially the elimination of carbon taxes would immediately leave more money in the pockets of Canadians

00:24:23.600 and avoid the need of a raise.

00:24:25.880 If only the government could understand basic economic principles, CBC should have a 30% reduction in salaries, if not more.

00:24:32.080 This is a comment based on, I guess it would be my monologue the other day when I covered for Ezra about somebody from CBC.

00:24:43.520 I think it was their financial advice person saying like, look, if inflation's hitting you hard, just go to your boss and ask for a raise.

00:24:52.240 It works at the CBC because they've paid out $30 million in pandemic raises and nobody watches them.

00:25:02.560 But moreover, to your point, CBC could have a 100% reduction in salaries and I wouldn't care.

00:25:10.740 And I don't think most people would miss them either.

00:25:13.200 I think their latest viewership on their flagship shows, like the news, the reason they say they exist, it's a statistical rounding error of Canadians.

00:25:22.360 I think it's Canadian grandparents who had their grandkids put their TVs on CBC because they wanted to watch curling

00:25:30.120 and then they just didn't know how to get it off CBC to watch something better.

00:25:34.620 Let's keep going.

00:25:35.320 Smokey the Bear says,

00:25:36.780 I'm not necessarily sure about that.

00:25:46.880 There are a lot of things that factor into the price of everything.

00:25:53.020 And I'm not sure where costs can go down for companies at this point.

00:25:58.180 Do you think fuel is going to normalize?

00:26:00.100 There are a lot of companies right now that are really having their profits eaten into as they resist raising the prices.

00:26:09.180 People talk about how sinister Walmart is, but they are really resisting raising their prices,

00:26:14.040 even though they are being hammered by carbon taxes and transportation costs and supply chain issues.

00:26:19.220 And they just really are resisting raising their prices to the consumer.

00:26:23.540 So, you know, I'm not, but prices will probably never go back down.

00:26:30.260 But I think it is because the input costs will also probably never go down either.

00:26:36.220 Big Dipper 188 says,

00:26:40.200 Does anyone else have an uncontrollable urge to yell silence, Karen, whenever they hear Freeland speak so much as a single word?

00:26:47.560 And I've actually seen her speak in person, and it is as bad as you can imagine.

00:26:55.000 Sometimes when I'm watching clips of Chrystia Freeland,

00:26:57.980 just to fact check myself, because sometimes I think maybe it's her voice I hate, but it's not.

00:27:04.800 Turn the sound off and watch Chrystia Freeland with no sound.

00:27:11.280 And look at just how wriggly that woman is.

00:27:15.940 And it's not just when she's around Justin Trudeau.

00:27:18.480 At first I thought maybe Justin Trudeau has that effect on her, that she's sort of wiggling out of her skin.

00:27:23.580 Maybe he drives the woman wild.

00:27:25.720 But no, I was at the Media Freedom Conference a few years ago in London with Ezra,

00:27:32.320 and she was on stage, no Justin Trudeau to be found,

00:27:36.300 and she was still doing that thing that she does where she doesn't know how to sit still and behave herself.

00:27:40.900 It was frankly quite embarrassing.

00:27:42.320 If I were a liberal, I would be mortified, but I'm not, so I'm less mortified.

00:27:48.480 Anyway, that's the show for tonight, everybody.

00:27:50.280 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:27:51.800 Thank you to everybody in the office in Toronto who works really hard to put the show together,

00:27:56.080 and everybody who works behind the scenes.

00:27:57.480 Thanks to my guest, Adam.

00:27:59.340 Thanks to the boss for trusting me with his show one more night.

00:28:02.480 And as Ezra always says, keep fighting for freedom.

00:28:05.760 And this morning, those three judges issued their unanimous ruling.

00:28:12.360 And they found that the order, the Rook order, that warrant of sorts,

00:28:16.420 that court order that the cops used to arrest Arthur Pawlowski,

00:28:20.560 they found that that court order was invalid.

00:28:24.540 It was impermissibly vague.

00:28:26.000 It was useless.

00:28:27.220 No one could rely on it.

00:28:28.300 They struck down the order that started all of this,

00:28:32.100 and therefore all the fruit from that poisoned tree,

00:28:36.440 the shock and awe, brutal arrests,

00:28:40.380 the jail after jail after jail,

00:28:43.260 Adam Germain's word ban,

00:28:46.000 the fines,

00:28:46.980 every shred of it

00:28:49.480 was thrown out today

00:28:52.400 by the Alberta Court of Appeal.

00:28:56.640 And that was only possible because of you,

00:28:58.600 because you and thousands of people like you

00:29:01.560 chipped in 50 bucks or 100 bucks

00:29:03.740 or 5 bucks or 1,000 bucks

00:29:06.020 to pay for top-notch legal talent

00:29:09.040 that fought with Arthur every step of the way.

00:29:12.580 And that, by the way,

00:29:13.160 is still engaged in defending Arthur

00:29:14.680 from other abusive prosecutions.

00:29:16.820 Today,

00:29:18.420 the legal system slowly

00:29:20.140 and costly

00:29:21.720 finally vindicated

00:29:24.460 Arthur Pawlowski

00:29:25.700 throwing out his convictions,

00:29:27.820 throwing out the order,

00:29:29.160 and condemning by name

00:29:30.720 that partisan judge,

00:29:33.000 Adam Germain,

00:29:33.700 and throwing out the underlying order.

00:29:35.140 And I'm delighted to have on the line

00:29:36.500 with us now from Calgary

00:29:39.200 the lawyer who deserves so much credit

00:29:42.540 for today's win,

00:29:44.480 a passionate civil libertarian.

00:29:46.740 You know her from her reports on Rebel News

00:29:48.940 as she was interviewed by many of our talent.

00:29:50.780 I'm talking about Sarah Miller

00:29:51.780 with the leading litigation firm,

00:29:54.320 JSS Barristers.

00:29:55.200 Sarah, congratulations again.

00:29:57.300 I'm so pleased.

00:29:58.620 And I say this in the most generous

00:30:01.260 and friendly way.

00:30:02.160 I'm so proud of you.

00:30:03.660 I'm so proud of what you've achieved

00:30:04.960 for our country

00:30:05.640 and indeed beyond our country

00:30:06.940 because Arthur Pawlowski

00:30:08.540 has had the support of people

00:30:09.760 around the world.

00:30:11.160 And that support came down

00:30:12.320 to you and your team.

00:30:13.960 And you were there

00:30:14.580 in the Court of Appeal

00:30:15.440 and today you had an utter win.

00:30:17.300 So I thank you, Sarah,

00:30:19.020 on behalf of our viewers.

00:30:20.040 Oh, I think you're on mute there.

00:30:25.220 Or maybe we...

00:30:25.760 Thank you for having me.

00:30:26.960 Thank you for having me, Sarah.

00:30:28.180 Well, it's a pleasure to have you.

00:30:29.140 Now, I know you're under the weather.

00:30:30.120 I'm under the weather, too.

00:30:31.520 I came in because I thought

00:30:32.800 this was such an important story.

00:30:35.140 Now, listen,

00:30:36.040 I'm more political in my language

00:30:37.700 and I know you would never say

00:30:39.100 the words that I've just said

00:30:40.380 about the police

00:30:41.180 or indeed about Judge Jermaine.

00:30:43.420 And that's one of the reasons

00:30:44.280 you're so effective

00:30:45.140 because you're a disciplined

00:30:46.280 professional lawyer

00:30:47.600 who went into that Court of Appeal

00:30:49.140 head held high

00:30:49.980 and you made the case

00:30:51.340 based on the facts and the law,

00:30:52.740 not just on emotion

00:30:53.720 and not on politics.

00:30:55.100 You went in there in the law.

00:30:57.160 Give me a minute on that.

00:30:58.860 This case is about

00:30:59.940 Arthur Pawlowski,

00:31:00.820 but it actually sets a precedent

00:31:03.680 that could have gone

00:31:04.440 a very different way

00:31:05.780 for the government

00:31:06.980 to have such enormous power

00:31:08.560 to order people

00:31:10.180 to make compelled speech,

00:31:11.660 to order them to condemn themselves,

00:31:13.720 to put people at such risk

00:31:16.360 of vague court orders.

00:31:19.220 Arthur Pawlowski,

00:31:20.500 his liberty was in the crosshairs,

00:31:23.820 but you actually, I think,

00:31:25.900 fought for every Canadian

00:31:27.020 of every political background.

00:31:28.300 That's my view.

00:31:29.000 Tell me what you thought of it.

00:31:31.700 That's exactly how I was approaching it

00:31:33.700 as well as Russell.

00:31:35.080 The issue that I really saw

00:31:37.320 with the decision

00:31:38.280 that Justice Jermaine made

00:31:39.820 when he first made

00:31:41.080 the finding of contempt

00:31:42.180 was extremely concerning

00:31:45.300 and for a number of reasons.

00:31:47.360 The core reason

00:31:48.620 that I thought

00:31:49.220 was the most concerning

00:31:50.380 was it really attacked

00:31:52.880 the division of powers

00:31:54.320 that we have in this country.

00:31:56.060 So we have laws

00:31:57.400 that are made

00:31:57.880 by different actors, right?

00:31:59.520 We have laws

00:32:00.180 that are made

00:32:00.580 by our elected representatives

00:32:02.880 and they create things

00:32:06.580 like our Public Health Act.

00:32:08.340 And so in Alberta,

00:32:09.060 we have elected officials

00:32:10.940 acting in government

00:32:12.040 creating this structure

00:32:13.360 of the Public Health Act.

00:32:14.980 And the Brooke Order,

00:32:16.640 as interpreted

00:32:17.660 by Justice Jermaine,

00:32:19.160 made it so that

00:32:20.980 the Public Health Act

00:32:22.280 and the fines

00:32:23.280 and sanctions

00:32:24.020 made under that

00:32:24.940 were no longer in effect

00:32:27.040 because now we've got

00:32:28.180 this new order,

00:32:29.840 this new approach

00:32:31.360 of how we're going

00:32:32.320 to police

00:32:33.160 and monitor our citizens.

00:32:35.660 It overreached.

00:32:37.840 It was an improper

00:32:39.000 and inappropriate approach

00:32:40.740 to injunctions

00:32:41.680 as far as applying it

00:32:44.640 to the Poplowskis

00:32:45.480 or interpreting it

00:32:46.780 so it should apply

00:32:47.520 to all Albertans everywhere.

00:32:49.820 And it was a concerning precedent.

00:32:53.080 I am so thankful

00:32:54.200 that we were able

00:32:54.880 to go to the Court of Appeal

00:32:56.260 thanks to the contributions

00:32:58.300 to the Democracy Fund.

00:32:59.840 So that we could make sure

00:33:01.140 that that kind of precedent

00:33:02.860 does not remain the law

00:33:04.240 in Alberta.

00:33:04.900 And thankfully,

00:33:05.880 the Court of Appeal

00:33:06.620 has agreed with us

00:33:07.440 and has struck down

00:33:08.800 the decision

00:33:10.400 by Justice Jermaine.

00:33:11.780 All right.

00:33:12.180 Well, you said

00:33:13.020 a lot of interesting things.

00:33:14.220 I want to break this apart.

00:33:15.440 I want to,

00:33:15.800 do you have about

00:33:16.280 10 minutes with us, Sarah?

00:33:17.840 Because I want to get

00:33:18.880 into the meat

00:33:19.800 of the ruling.

00:33:21.160 Now, Olivia,

00:33:21.840 I think you've got

00:33:22.560 the ruling there.

00:33:23.160 I'm looking at paragraph

00:33:24.300 53 of it.

00:33:25.800 Now, Sarah,

00:33:26.300 I'll read it out

00:33:27.340 in case you don't have it

00:33:28.320 in front of you,

00:33:28.860 but I know you know

00:33:29.560 this ruling pretty well.

00:33:31.520 So what we had

00:33:32.140 is a couple of

00:33:32.880 different problems

00:33:33.760 and frankly,

00:33:34.700 you were victorious

00:33:35.340 in all of them.

00:33:36.380 We have the compelled

00:33:37.660 speech issue,

00:33:38.880 which is just so odious

00:33:40.860 to me.

00:33:41.620 But the reason

00:33:42.760 Arthur got caught

00:33:44.640 in this trap

00:33:45.300 is he was handed

00:33:46.560 a court order

00:33:47.660 from this Judge Rook

00:33:48.840 that didn't have

00:33:49.920 his name on it,

00:33:50.600 didn't describe him

00:33:51.640 or exactly what he did.

00:33:53.060 And so I'm going

00:33:54.060 to read a little bit

00:33:54.760 from the Court of Appeals

00:33:55.900 unanimous ruling today.

00:33:57.180 I'm going to read

00:33:57.780 paragraph 53.

00:33:58.880 So give me about

00:34:00.000 one minute to read

00:34:00.800 the text and then

00:34:01.660 I'd like to invite you

00:34:02.660 to explain maybe

00:34:04.360 in plain language

00:34:05.340 for our viewers

00:34:06.100 why this is so important,

00:34:08.400 why having clear

00:34:09.700 court orders

00:34:10.700 protects all of us

00:34:12.280 against overreaching

00:34:13.880 police and frankly

00:34:15.280 overreaching judges.

00:34:16.140 So let me read a bit

00:34:17.320 of paragraph 53.

00:34:18.300 When determining

00:34:20.620 who is subject

00:34:21.560 to an order,

00:34:22.400 that means who's

00:34:22.940 bound by it,

00:34:23.900 the words used

00:34:24.740 in the order

00:34:25.160 must be clear

00:34:26.360 and like the language

00:34:28.400 of a statutory instrument

00:34:29.860 are presumed

00:34:30.960 to have been included

00:34:31.980 for a reason.

00:34:33.360 There are two aspects

00:34:34.360 to paragraph one

00:34:35.300 of the injunction,

00:34:36.380 identifying the persons

00:34:37.680 to which the injunction

00:34:38.740 applies,

00:34:40.900 identifying the nature

00:34:42.300 of the prohibited conduct.

00:34:44.220 And I'm just going

00:34:44.780 to read a few

00:34:45.360 of the details there.

00:34:46.480 Shall be restrained

00:34:47.780 anywhere in Alberta

00:34:48.860 from organizing

00:34:50.400 an in-person gathering

00:34:51.500 including requesting,

00:34:52.480 inciting,

00:34:53.000 or inviting others

00:34:53.680 to attend

00:34:54.520 an illegal public gathering,

00:34:56.440 promoting an illegal

00:34:57.360 public gathering

00:34:58.060 via social media

00:34:58.960 or otherwise,

00:35:00.520 attending an illegal

00:35:01.380 public gathering

00:35:01.980 of any nature

00:35:02.560 in a public place,

00:35:04.220 and then I'm just

00:35:06.620 going to read

00:35:06.980 paragraph 54.

00:35:08.020 It is the first aspect

00:35:09.240 of paragraph one

00:35:10.020 that's at issue here.

00:35:11.420 The injunction

00:35:11.960 does not state

00:35:12.940 that it applies

00:35:13.540 to all persons

00:35:14.400 with notice

00:35:14.960 of the injunction,

00:35:16.360 nor to all persons

00:35:17.420 with such notice

00:35:18.120 including the named respondents,

00:35:20.040 which is essentially

00:35:20.840 the interpretation.

00:35:21.820 There's some technical

00:35:22.660 language here.

00:35:24.180 But I don't want

00:35:25.880 to get bogged down

00:35:26.580 in the wording,

00:35:27.520 but you understand

00:35:28.340 the gist of what

00:35:29.060 I'm talking about here.

00:35:32.080 Clarify this.

00:35:34.060 Does this mean

00:35:35.100 that a court

00:35:36.220 can't just name

00:35:38.000 the vast swath

00:35:40.200 of people

00:35:40.660 without particularizing

00:35:42.520 what you have to do wrong

00:35:44.440 to be in breach

00:35:45.460 of the order?

00:35:45.980 Am I right on that?

00:35:47.980 Yeah, so we're dealing

00:35:49.400 with two steps here, right?

00:35:52.020 The first step

00:35:52.660 is what Alberta Health Services

00:35:54.340 did, which is go into court

00:35:56.360 and ask for an injunction

00:35:57.720 to constrain

00:35:59.060 some sort of behavior.

00:36:00.420 The second step is,

00:36:01.920 okay, well,

00:36:02.400 if you breach that order,

00:36:03.540 can you be held

00:36:04.520 in contempt of it?

00:36:05.380 So, in theory,

00:36:07.660 the order as it was obtained

00:36:10.860 can be done.

00:36:13.180 But if you want to find

00:36:14.340 somebody in contempt

00:36:15.100 of the order,

00:36:15.940 that's never going

00:36:16.700 to work for you.

00:36:17.500 The way it was drafted,

00:36:18.920 the way it was written,

00:36:19.520 the way it was obtained,

00:36:20.840 according to the Court

00:36:21.680 of Appeal,

00:36:22.080 won't work.

00:36:22.940 So, an order

00:36:24.320 that is going to constrain

00:36:26.260 an Albertan,

00:36:27.580 their ability to move

00:36:29.180 and do things

00:36:30.040 and gather with people

00:36:31.080 or say certain things

00:36:32.520 on social media

00:36:34.020 or encourage people

00:36:35.740 to attend a gathering

00:36:38.200 or even just promote it

00:36:39.520 by retweeting

00:36:40.340 or anything like that,

00:36:41.860 needs to name people

00:36:43.720 specifically.

00:36:44.620 You can't go in

00:36:45.800 and get some vague language

00:36:47.080 about people acting

00:36:48.880 under their instructions

00:36:49.680 or independently

00:36:50.420 to affect

00:36:51.020 and think that those words

00:36:53.340 are going to capture

00:36:54.680 any Albertan

00:36:55.900 and prohibit them

00:36:57.420 from doing things.

00:36:58.220 So, we see this

00:36:58.940 in environmental protesting,

00:37:01.720 we see this

00:37:02.160 in indigenous protesting,

00:37:03.880 you need to name

00:37:04.900 the people specifically

00:37:06.280 or if you're doing,

00:37:08.160 you know,

00:37:08.660 a John Doe,

00:37:09.480 Jane Doe situation,

00:37:10.440 that's still permitted

00:37:11.160 but you need to be

00:37:11.900 really specific

00:37:12.660 as to who is going

00:37:14.540 to be captured

00:37:15.400 under this order

00:37:16.100 and that's what

00:37:17.740 the Court of Appeal

00:37:18.680 is saying here.

00:37:19.860 Yeah, I mean,

00:37:20.700 let me just read

00:37:21.500 one more paragraph

00:37:22.280 and I'm sorry,

00:37:23.160 I chose one a minute ago

00:37:24.300 that was a little bit

00:37:25.320 technical.

00:37:26.720 I'm going to read

00:37:27.300 paragraph 59

00:37:28.440 because this is sort

00:37:29.520 of their summary of it.

00:37:31.920 Where there is ambiguity

00:37:33.760 in a phrase

00:37:34.540 that purports

00:37:35.440 to identify

00:37:36.000 a group of individuals

00:37:36.920 to whom an ex parte

00:37:38.360 injunction applies

00:37:39.220 and by the way,

00:37:39.960 ex parte is Latin,

00:37:41.200 it means without

00:37:41.940 that person there

00:37:42.840 so Alberta Health

00:37:44.220 ran to court

00:37:44.960 in secret.

00:37:46.780 They didn't tell Arthur,

00:37:47.960 they didn't tell you

00:37:48.800 even though they knew

00:37:49.460 you were on the file

00:37:50.100 for Arthur.

00:37:51.100 They ran into court

00:37:52.000 secretly

00:37:52.520 and convinced a judge

00:37:54.120 to issue this order

00:37:55.060 so they have

00:37:56.740 a high burden

00:37:57.540 of being fair

00:37:59.240 if you're sneaking

00:38:00.720 into court

00:38:01.280 and not letting

00:38:01.880 the other side know.

00:38:02.920 So here's what

00:38:04.040 the Court of Appeal

00:38:04.740 said today.

00:38:06.380 Where there is

00:38:06.900 ambiguity in a phrase

00:38:07.900 that purports

00:38:08.420 to identify a group

00:38:09.260 of individuals

00:38:09.800 to whom an ex parte

00:38:11.440 injunction applies,

00:38:13.220 the injunction

00:38:13.980 may not be sufficiently

00:38:15.140 clear to found

00:38:16.980 contempt proceedings

00:38:17.880 against such individuals

00:38:19.040 for breaching

00:38:19.940 the terms of the order.

00:38:20.840 as all elements

00:38:22.820 of contempt

00:38:23.300 must be established

00:38:24.120 beyond a reasonable doubt

00:38:25.160 and here's the line,

00:38:27.720 we conclude

00:38:28.820 that the injunction

00:38:30.440 here was not

00:38:31.380 sufficiently clear

00:38:32.620 and unambiguous

00:38:33.820 when it referred

00:38:35.060 to other parties

00:38:36.260 quote,

00:38:37.140 acting independently

00:38:38.060 to like effect

00:38:39.280 so as to apply

00:38:40.980 to the Pavlovskis.

00:38:42.320 The contempt

00:38:43.160 finding against

00:38:44.140 the Pavlovskis

00:38:44.960 must therefore

00:38:46.160 be set aside.

00:38:48.040 So that's really

00:38:50.320 the nub of it,

00:38:51.020 isn't it?

00:38:52.700 Yeah, exactly.

00:38:54.180 And it's really

00:38:55.760 important to hold

00:38:57.080 especially a government

00:38:58.380 actor to a really

00:38:59.820 high degree

00:39:00.640 of specificity

00:39:01.600 because as you said,

00:39:03.020 they went in

00:39:03.480 not only without

00:39:04.260 giving us notice

00:39:05.040 but they went in

00:39:06.360 on their first day

00:39:07.120 in court,

00:39:07.660 May 5th, 2021

00:39:08.780 and had the matters

00:39:10.520 proceeding in camera

00:39:11.840 which means

00:39:12.500 there was no

00:39:13.620 court recording.

00:39:15.300 Usually,

00:39:15.840 you go into court,

00:39:16.640 I couldn't convince

00:39:17.720 a judge for the

00:39:18.660 life of me

00:39:19.100 to turn off

00:39:19.660 the recording

00:39:20.220 and let us speak

00:39:21.240 privately without

00:39:22.380 it being recorded.

00:39:23.240 It's a public

00:39:23.660 institution,

00:39:24.380 it's there for the

00:39:25.040 public,

00:39:25.700 I'm going to be

00:39:26.600 recorded when I'm

00:39:27.300 in court.

00:39:28.340 May 5th, 2021

00:39:29.400 Alberta Health

00:39:30.180 Services goes

00:39:30.940 into the court

00:39:31.620 and proceeds

00:39:32.320 in camera

00:39:33.220 without court

00:39:34.160 recording.

00:39:34.740 We have no idea

00:39:35.440 what was said

00:39:35.980 between them

00:39:36.540 and the judge.

00:39:37.380 They go back

00:39:37.940 on May 6th,

00:39:38.820 again,

00:39:39.140 still no notice

00:39:39.760 to me,

00:39:40.560 still no notice

00:39:41.240 to the Pavlovskis,

00:39:42.420 no notice

00:39:42.980 to Christopher Scott

00:39:44.000 who is named

00:39:44.700 in the order,

00:39:45.420 no notice

00:39:45.920 to his counsel

00:39:46.820 who Alberta

00:39:47.840 Health Services

00:39:48.400 was aware of

00:39:49.240 and gets this order

00:39:51.820 which is very vague

00:39:53.800 and that's why

00:39:55.240 you want to give

00:39:55.900 notice to the other

00:39:56.660 side.

00:39:57.140 The other side

00:39:57.640 sits there and goes,

00:39:58.480 well,

00:39:58.580 this doesn't make

00:39:59.160 sense,

00:39:59.600 where is this

00:40:00.060 going to go?

00:40:00.460 We look at things

00:40:01.720 when we're looking

00:40:02.340 at somebody else's

00:40:03.180 work product

00:40:03.880 in a more

00:40:04.760 particular way.

00:40:06.840 Alberta Health

00:40:07.300 Services got

00:40:08.020 this order,

00:40:09.300 they didn't turn

00:40:10.580 their minds to,

00:40:11.420 I guess,

00:40:11.660 how it was going

00:40:12.240 to be interpreted

00:40:12.840 or thought

00:40:13.440 that it would

00:40:14.060 be so vague

00:40:15.460 and broad

00:40:16.080 that they could

00:40:16.540 apply it to anyone

00:40:17.320 and the Court

00:40:17.860 of Appeal

00:40:18.200 has said,

00:40:18.600 no,

00:40:18.980 you can't do that.

00:40:19.980 You know,

00:40:20.260 one of our mottos

00:40:20.980 at Rebel News

00:40:21.720 is telling

00:40:23.040 the other side

00:40:23.820 of the story.

00:40:25.020 We believe

00:40:25.780 that there's

00:40:26.180 more than one

00:40:26.760 side of the story

00:40:27.480 and we should

00:40:28.240 hear from both sides.

00:40:29.260 That's not just

00:40:30.040 a journalistic

00:40:30.740 rule of thumb,

00:40:31.440 that's actually

00:40:32.140 a precept

00:40:33.040 in the law.

00:40:34.380 In Latin,

00:40:35.260 they say,

00:40:35.900 audi ultram partum,

00:40:37.220 hear the other side,

00:40:38.420 hear the other side.

00:40:39.580 Maybe they know

00:40:40.800 something that

00:40:41.660 would enlighten us.

00:40:42.480 Maybe we're

00:40:43.160 missing a trick,

00:40:44.040 right?

00:40:44.620 Hear the other side.

00:40:46.100 The clash

00:40:46.780 of two passionate

00:40:48.260 parties and a

00:40:49.960 neutral judge

00:40:50.700 in the middle

00:40:51.260 sorting it out.

00:40:52.780 So if you have

00:40:53.340 a secret meeting

00:40:54.500 where the other

00:40:56.000 side is not invited

00:40:57.080 and I didn't know

00:40:58.060 what you just said

00:40:58.820 that they literally

00:40:59.520 turned off the recording.

00:41:01.020 I've never heard

00:41:01.620 of that before.

00:41:02.560 Even in cases

00:41:03.520 where there are

00:41:04.340 minor children

00:41:05.120 and there's a

00:41:05.640 court publication ban

00:41:06.700 to protect the

00:41:07.260 identity of the kids,

00:41:08.260 they don't turn

00:41:08.700 off the recording.

00:41:09.640 They just make a rule,

00:41:10.760 hey journalists,

00:41:11.460 you can't say

00:41:11.980 the names of the kids.

00:41:13.120 I have never

00:41:13.860 in my life

00:41:14.740 heard of a recording

00:41:16.780 being turned off

00:41:17.720 so you could have

00:41:18.480 like a little

00:41:19.740 secret justice.

00:41:20.520 That reminds me

00:41:20.960 of the Star Chamber

00:41:21.960 in medieval times.

00:41:24.060 But at least

00:41:24.780 in the Star Chamber,

00:41:26.780 you were there

00:41:28.820 with a lawyer.

00:41:31.160 I didn't even know

00:41:32.360 how bad that was.

00:41:33.380 And that's what I mean,

00:41:36.380 I showed,

00:41:37.300 I'm a little under

00:41:37.840 the weather

00:41:38.140 so I'm not as high

00:41:39.100 energy as I'd like

00:41:39.880 to be, Sarah,

00:41:40.440 but I started the show

00:41:41.460 today with the first

00:41:43.400 thing I saw very early

00:41:45.020 in the pandemic

00:41:45.720 when the cops were

00:41:46.520 pushing around Arthur

00:41:47.420 when he was feeding

00:41:48.040 people in the snow

00:41:49.560 in Calgary.

00:41:50.920 And that's what got

00:41:51.740 under my skin.

00:41:52.440 I thought that's not

00:41:53.540 right, they're picking

00:41:54.140 on the sky.

00:41:56.260 And so we retained you.

00:41:57.820 That was in April

00:41:58.880 or even March

00:42:00.660 of 2020.

00:42:02.220 And so by the time

00:42:03.800 this Rook order

00:42:04.640 and by the time

00:42:05.480 the Nazis out

00:42:06.480 and by the time

00:42:07.420 the shock and awe

00:42:08.640 SWAT team arrest

00:42:09.500 happened,

00:42:10.740 you had been working

00:42:12.000 for Arthur for a year,

00:42:13.820 right?

00:42:15.060 Yeah, over a year.

00:42:16.160 Yeah, so you had

00:42:17.000 interacted with the

00:42:18.060 government by phone,

00:42:20.360 in person,

00:42:21.200 by email,

00:42:22.000 by fax,

00:42:23.120 in court.

00:42:25.540 So they knew you.

00:42:26.760 And for them to

00:42:29.180 pretend they didn't

00:42:30.140 know you,

00:42:30.940 pretend they didn't

00:42:31.720 know you were on

00:42:32.360 the file,

00:42:33.800 and to go to court

00:42:34.720 and have a secret

00:42:35.380 huddle with a judge,

00:42:36.940 and then serve

00:42:38.160 this order on Arthur

00:42:40.040 instead of on you,

00:42:41.780 and then arrest him

00:42:42.860 in the street like

00:42:43.720 he's El Chapo,

00:42:44.960 instead of just saying,

00:42:45.800 hey Sarah, you know

00:42:46.880 what, can you bring

00:42:47.580 him in?

00:42:48.200 Can we arrange for a

00:42:48.980 time where you can

00:42:49.460 bring in Pastor Arthur

00:42:50.720 because we are going

00:42:51.320 to charge him.

00:42:52.140 Can you bring him in?

00:42:53.360 Like for them to

00:42:54.440 pretend that you

00:42:55.920 were not on the

00:42:56.740 file is,

00:42:59.080 I believe that's

00:43:00.760 unethical.

00:43:01.300 I believe that's

00:43:01.860 sharp practice.

00:43:02.740 I believe that there

00:43:03.940 was so much bad

00:43:05.060 behavior here by the

00:43:06.360 government,

00:43:06.960 and once, okay,

00:43:08.380 you make a mistake,

00:43:09.200 twice maybe you're

00:43:09.960 exuberant,

00:43:10.780 but again and again

00:43:11.660 and again and again

00:43:12.380 and again,

00:43:13.240 I really feel like

00:43:14.560 this was a government

00:43:15.420 vendetta against a

00:43:16.660 man that just,

00:43:18.160 you know,

00:43:18.940 will someone save me

00:43:20.240 from this turbulent

00:43:21.400 priest?

00:43:23.020 You know,

00:43:23.360 I believe that they

00:43:24.220 hated this man so

00:43:25.420 much that,

00:43:26.740 they justified it in

00:43:27.900 their mind that they

00:43:28.520 would break any

00:43:29.340 ethical and legal

00:43:30.540 norm to get him.

00:43:31.480 That's how I feel.

00:43:33.420 Yeah,

00:43:33.940 I think it's very

00:43:34.760 easy once you let

00:43:35.780 your emotions get

00:43:36.800 involved into

00:43:37.500 something to forget

00:43:39.480 what your role is

00:43:41.300 as,

00:43:42.400 you know,

00:43:44.300 to the court,

00:43:45.360 to bring all the

00:43:46.460 evidence forward.

00:43:47.420 When you feel like

00:43:48.440 somebody is so very

00:43:50.240 wrong in what they're

00:43:51.500 doing,

00:43:52.480 it makes it very easy

00:43:53.920 to turn off that

00:43:54.940 filter in your

00:43:55.580 brain to say,

00:43:56.420 I'm not going to be

00:43:57.980 concerned about that

00:43:58.820 or this is right and

00:44:00.580 vindicated in some

00:44:01.640 way.

00:44:02.520 I don't know that

00:44:03.960 anybody at Alberta

00:44:05.960 Health Services

00:44:06.640 really went out to

00:44:08.780 act inappropriately or

00:44:10.220 to ignore the laws

00:44:12.920 and rules and

00:44:13.700 principles that we

00:44:14.800 usually use to guide

00:44:15.940 ourselves,

00:44:16.320 but I am certain

00:44:17.720 that they were

00:44:18.280 motivated by emotion

00:44:20.200 and by a misplaced

00:44:23.040 sense of

00:44:23.420 righteousness and

00:44:24.880 they forgot to keep

00:44:26.700 their filter on to

00:44:27.600 say,

00:44:27.960 what is the legal

00:44:28.560 analysis here?

00:44:29.340 What are my duties

00:44:30.400 here to the court?

00:44:31.620 And what are my

00:44:32.320 duties to people in

00:44:33.720 Alberta to make sure

00:44:34.840 that people who I'm

00:44:36.500 not thinking about

00:44:37.260 right now in my

00:44:38.140 anger are going to be

00:44:39.720 captured by and

00:44:40.680 subjected to this

00:44:41.700 order?

00:44:42.460 So we know that

00:44:43.300 there was other

00:44:43.820 pastors arrested that

00:44:44.940 same weekend with

00:44:45.780 Archer and David

00:44:47.140 and I just wanted to

00:44:49.100 mention one other

00:44:49.980 thing as you said

00:44:50.880 they served Archer.

00:44:52.820 They never actually

00:44:53.500 even served him.

00:44:54.760 He was running his

00:44:55.880 church the whole day.

00:44:56.740 He never received

00:44:57.580 service of this order

00:44:58.680 at any point during

00:45:00.200 that whole day.

00:45:01.440 It was served on

00:45:02.900 David who of course

00:45:04.980 didn't understand what

00:45:05.800 he was being served

00:45:06.540 with because he had

00:45:07.400 never heard of this

00:45:08.380 and didn't know what

00:45:10.260 was happening and the

00:45:11.020 police wouldn't be

00:45:11.740 bothered to explain it.

00:45:13.000 And there's technical

00:45:13.640 language in there.

00:45:14.660 I mean,

00:45:14.900 he's an immigrant.

00:45:16.640 English is not his

00:45:17.400 first language.

00:45:18.580 The law,

00:45:19.380 which is a technical

00:45:20.200 English,

00:45:21.000 is not his first

00:45:21.720 language.

00:45:22.500 He has a top-notch

00:45:23.780 lawyer,

00:45:24.380 you,

00:45:24.900 but they didn't give

00:45:25.700 it to you because

00:45:26.260 the whole thing was

00:45:27.040 cut any corner

00:45:27.840 necessary.

00:45:29.400 You know what?

00:45:30.100 I quoted that line.

00:45:32.220 Whoops,

00:45:32.780 I'm going to turn my

00:45:33.400 phone off.

00:45:34.100 I quoted that line.

00:45:36.140 It was Henry II

00:45:37.180 who said,

00:45:38.520 well,

00:45:38.620 no one,

00:45:39.260 well,

00:45:40.260 no one saved me

00:45:42.260 from this meddlesome

00:45:43.120 priest and they killed

00:45:43.940 Thomas Beckett.

00:45:44.860 They killed the priest.

00:45:45.900 It's not new for

00:45:47.540 politicians just to,

00:45:49.300 and why do they hate

00:45:50.400 the clergy?

00:45:52.000 Because the clergy

00:45:52.980 are obedient to a

00:45:55.460 higher power.

00:45:57.140 Most churches close

00:45:58.400 their doors because

00:45:59.220 Jason Kenney told them

00:46:00.380 to.

00:46:00.640 Most did.

00:46:01.500 But a few true

00:46:02.440 believers,

00:46:03.180 some in Edmonton,

00:46:04.120 some in Calgary,

00:46:04.800 just refused to.

00:46:06.080 And that's a real

00:46:06.880 power struggle.

00:46:07.860 Am I not the king?

00:46:09.260 Am I not the king?

00:46:10.740 Will someone save me

00:46:11.980 from this meddlesome

00:46:12.900 priest?

00:46:15.560 And four men said,

00:46:16.720 okay,

00:46:17.140 better damn well

00:46:17.740 save the king

00:46:18.240 from this meddlesome

00:46:18.840 priest.

00:46:19.020 And they went and

00:46:19.360 killed Thomas Beckett,

00:46:20.380 the head of the

00:46:20.740 Church of England.

00:46:21.760 I think it was the

00:46:22.160 Archbishop of Canberra,

00:46:23.380 as they called him.

00:46:24.520 Well,

00:46:24.780 who's the boss here?

00:46:26.080 Am I not king?

00:46:28.820 And Jason Kenney

00:46:29.980 couldn't get this

00:46:30.980 meddlesome priest

00:46:31.980 to bend the knee.

00:46:35.240 So they got him to

00:46:36.180 bend the knee on the

00:46:36.960 street,

00:46:37.300 didn't he?

00:46:37.600 He bent the knee

00:46:38.780 on the street.

00:46:41.160 All right,

00:46:41.840 I'm mad.

00:46:42.620 Sarah,

00:46:42.840 I got a question

00:46:43.260 for you.

00:46:45.540 What other cases

00:46:46.740 are proceeding

00:46:48.460 against Arthur

00:46:49.280 Pavlovsky

00:46:49.940 and his brother

00:46:50.600 David?

00:46:52.220 Well,

00:46:52.680 there's quite a few.

00:46:54.140 So,

00:46:54.640 related to this

00:46:55.820 decision that we

00:46:56.840 had from Justice

00:46:57.560 Germain,

00:46:58.040 that's now been

00:46:58.520 struck,

00:46:59.440 but while they were

00:47:00.520 under that probation

00:47:01.840 order,

00:47:02.320 both of them were

00:47:03.120 charged with breaches

00:47:04.340 of probation.

00:47:05.800 We've entered

00:47:06.480 not guilty pleas

00:47:07.500 to those charges.

00:47:09.300 There's all sorts,

00:47:10.120 before this was

00:47:11.320 set aside,

00:47:12.080 there's all sorts

00:47:12.840 of issues

00:47:13.300 with those charges,

00:47:14.340 but both of them

00:47:14.880 were charged

00:47:15.700 with breach

00:47:16.100 of probation.

00:47:17.820 Arthur Pavlovsky

00:47:18.660 has also been

00:47:19.520 charged with criminal

00:47:20.880 contempt of the

00:47:22.000 recorder,

00:47:23.040 which based on

00:47:24.020 the analysis

00:47:24.520 given by the

00:47:25.380 Alberta Court

00:47:25.960 of Appeal,

00:47:26.820 the recorder

00:47:27.360 doesn't apply

00:47:28.060 to the Pavlovsky's

00:47:29.180 or Arthur

00:47:29.800 specifically,

00:47:31.140 so that also

00:47:32.760 should not be

00:47:33.360 proceeding,

00:47:34.120 but it's still

00:47:34.740 outstanding as of

00:47:35.500 today.

00:47:36.300 There's also

00:47:37.480 a charge

00:47:38.900 against Arthur

00:47:40.320 Pavlovsky for

00:47:41.240 attending the

00:47:42.160 Coutts border

00:47:43.480 here in Alberta

00:47:44.900 and giving a

00:47:48.180 speech,

00:47:48.560 I guess,

00:47:48.920 or a sermon

00:47:50.020 at the Coutts border

00:47:51.820 during the trucker

00:47:53.180 convoy protest

00:47:54.180 that was down there

00:47:55.100 in February,

00:47:55.780 so he's been

00:47:56.520 charged not only

00:47:58.200 for criminal

00:47:59.240 mischief,

00:47:59.980 over $5,000

00:48:00.940 for supposedly

00:48:02.540 inciting

00:48:03.780 mischief

00:48:04.500 with the

00:48:04.800 highway,

00:48:05.640 but also

00:48:06.600 under what is

00:48:08.360 legislation

00:48:09.120 in Alberta

00:48:09.940 only,

00:48:10.620 the Critical

00:48:11.640 Infrastructure

00:48:12.320 Defence Act.

00:48:13.500 Now,

00:48:14.180 the unions

00:48:15.680 who,

00:48:16.720 you know,

00:48:17.260 sometimes want

00:48:17.880 to strike,

00:48:18.500 sometimes want

00:48:19.120 to demonstrate,

00:48:20.380 have tried

00:48:20.800 to challenge

00:48:21.340 this act

00:48:22.020 as unconstitutional.

00:48:23.780 They've not

00:48:24.540 been granted

00:48:25.020 standing,

00:48:25.560 they've not

00:48:25.900 been allowed

00:48:26.340 to proceed

00:48:26.940 with their

00:48:27.420 challenge,

00:48:28.180 but it's

00:48:29.000 widely understood

00:48:30.060 that this act

00:48:31.520 is likely

00:48:32.240 unconstitutional.

00:48:33.460 So,

00:48:34.020 Artur is the

00:48:35.000 first person

00:48:35.560 that we have

00:48:36.440 been able

00:48:36.760 to figure out

00:48:37.440 has been

00:48:37.880 charged under

00:48:38.560 this act

00:48:39.080 and so he's

00:48:39.860 charged with

00:48:41.020 mischief and

00:48:41.920 the Critical

00:48:42.640 Infrastructure

00:48:43.220 Defence Act

00:48:43.880 offenses for

00:48:44.980 the February

00:48:46.020 protest.

00:48:47.720 I got a

00:48:48.520 question for you.

00:48:50.060 All those

00:48:50.880 breaches of

00:48:51.480 probation and

00:48:52.320 all those

00:48:52.780 things that

00:48:53.360 emanated from

00:48:54.380 this,

00:48:54.780 like I say,

00:48:55.320 fruit of the

00:48:55.800 poison tree.

00:48:58.180 It would

00:48:59.120 seem to me

00:48:59.680 that those

00:49:00.000 are all

00:49:00.260 now moot.

00:49:00.680 That's what

00:49:00.940 you suggested.

00:49:03.460 Yeah,

00:49:04.080 the Coutts

00:49:06.400 protests,

00:49:07.020 not moot,

00:49:07.800 but the,

00:49:08.700 because it

00:49:09.280 arises from

00:49:10.280 just its own.

00:49:10.920 That's the

00:49:11.940 infrastructure law.

00:49:12.360 But the

00:49:13.360 probations,

00:49:14.500 they should

00:49:14.940 be moot.

00:49:15.480 So I hope,

00:49:17.640 I expect

00:49:18.240 that the

00:49:18.720 Crown will

00:49:19.280 discontinue

00:49:20.080 those charges

00:49:20.800 for breach

00:49:21.520 of probation

00:49:21.920 against both

00:49:22.500 the Pawlowski

00:49:23.120 brothers and

00:49:24.540 as well the

00:49:25.400 criminal contempt

00:49:27.060 proceedings

00:49:27.660 for Artur

00:49:28.900 Pawlowski

00:49:29.340 should also

00:49:29.820 be discontinued

00:49:30.760 based on

00:49:31.940 this decision.

00:49:32.920 So,

00:49:33.320 but,

00:49:34.280 you know,

00:49:35.040 Artur has

00:49:35.580 been subjected

00:49:36.560 to arrest,

00:49:37.960 detention,

00:49:38.740 david 2,

00:49:39.440 arrest,

00:49:39.920 detention,

00:49:40.960 and outstanding

00:49:42.320 criminal proceedings

00:49:43.640 for two men

00:49:44.660 who are in

00:49:46.220 their 40s

00:49:46.980 with no criminal

00:49:48.080 record to date

00:49:49.620 facing criminal

00:49:50.900 charges because

00:49:51.640 of this decision

00:49:53.680 from Justice

00:49:54.260 Germain and

00:49:54.960 everything that

00:49:55.700 flowed from

00:49:56.800 that.

00:49:57.660 You know,

00:50:01.800 I don't want

00:50:02.120 you to talk

00:50:02.920 about anything

00:50:03.460 subject to

00:50:04.240 solicitor clan

00:50:04.840 privilege.

00:50:05.280 I don't want

00:50:05.560 you to give

00:50:05.880 away any

00:50:06.260 strategies.

00:50:07.120 I don't want

00:50:07.580 you to tip

00:50:07.980 your hand.

00:50:08.400 I don't want

00:50:08.680 you to give

00:50:08.980 any notice

00:50:09.440 to the

00:50:09.720 bastards on

00:50:10.260 the other

00:50:10.520 side.

00:50:10.900 but it is

00:50:13.440 my observation

00:50:14.360 that the

00:50:16.220 prosecution

00:50:16.920 and I would

00:50:17.520 say persecution

00:50:18.400 of the

00:50:20.260 Pavlovskis

00:50:20.860 was not

00:50:21.360 normal,

00:50:22.380 that it

00:50:23.080 would not

00:50:23.440 have been

00:50:23.700 abided by

00:50:24.280 a normal

00:50:24.620 prosecutor,

00:50:25.860 that there

00:50:26.520 were decisions

00:50:27.040 made at

00:50:27.400 higher levels.

00:50:28.040 You don't

00:50:28.260 have an

00:50:28.660 eight-car,

00:50:29.700 15-cop

00:50:30.380 takedown of

00:50:30.960 a guy on

00:50:31.280 a highway

00:50:31.660 without that

00:50:32.580 being approved

00:50:33.080 by senior

00:50:33.540 police brass.

00:50:34.220 I'm sorry,

00:50:34.520 it doesn't

00:50:34.740 happen that

00:50:35.140 way.

00:50:36.120 You don't

00:50:36.820 have a

00:50:37.500 hunter-killer

00:50:37.960 team of

00:50:38.540 dedicated

00:50:38.940 police,

00:50:40.000 Alberta

00:50:40.200 Health

00:50:40.480 Service

00:50:41.260 officers

00:50:41.760 and

00:50:41.980 prosecutors

00:50:42.480 going

00:50:43.040 church

00:50:43.420 by

00:50:43.600 church.

00:50:43.920 That's

00:50:44.080 a

00:50:44.180 special

00:50:44.420 vice

00:50:44.720 squad.

00:50:46.720 I believe

00:50:47.700 that there

00:50:48.640 was a

00:50:49.100 higher level

00:50:50.080 of operation

00:50:51.160 here,

00:50:51.820 a political

00:50:52.460 level of

00:50:53.340 operation.

00:50:54.220 Like I

00:50:54.620 said,

00:50:54.760 I've never

00:50:55.000 heard of a

00:50:55.660 recording being

00:50:56.540 turned off in

00:50:57.020 a court before.

00:50:57.500 Never heard

00:50:57.820 of that.

00:50:58.380 Never heard

00:50:58.700 of that.

00:51:01.880 I believe

00:51:02.760 that there

00:51:03.100 was malicious

00:51:03.580 prosecution.

00:51:05.320 I believe

00:51:06.640 there was

00:51:06.960 abuse of

00:51:07.500 office.

00:51:09.220 Now I

00:51:09.780 know that

00:51:10.980 just because

00:51:11.620 you lose

00:51:11.980 a court

00:51:12.300 case doesn't

00:51:12.840 mean there's

00:51:13.340 malicious

00:51:13.660 prosecution or

00:51:14.380 abuse of

00:51:14.720 office.

00:51:15.300 Courts are

00:51:15.640 allowed to

00:51:16.040 get it wrong

00:51:16.640 and the way

00:51:17.420 you solve

00:51:17.920 a wrong

00:51:18.460 court is

00:51:19.020 with an

00:51:19.300 appeal to

00:51:19.640 a higher

00:51:19.900 court.

00:51:20.440 So Justice

00:51:21.060 Adam

00:51:21.440 Germain,

00:51:22.440 I think

00:51:23.000 he's a

00:51:23.240 disgrace.

00:51:23.680 I think

00:51:23.880 he should

00:51:24.160 resign.

00:51:24.860 I don't

00:51:25.080 think he

00:51:25.340 should have

00:51:25.560 been put

00:51:25.860 on the

00:51:26.100 bench in

00:51:26.400 the first

00:51:26.700 place.

00:51:27.280 I think

00:51:28.220 he discredited

00:51:29.420 his name

00:51:29.920 for all

00:51:30.580 time.

00:51:31.940 But that's

00:51:32.340 not a

00:51:32.920 criminal.

00:51:33.420 That's not

00:51:33.800 necessarily

00:51:34.240 even

00:51:34.460 unethical.

00:51:35.420 That's

00:51:35.740 to be

00:51:36.000 corrected

00:51:36.320 by the

00:51:36.680 higher

00:51:36.880 court.

00:51:37.260 And

00:51:37.360 indeed he

00:51:37.980 was slapped

00:51:38.380 down pretty

00:51:38.820 hard today.

00:51:39.920 So I'm

00:51:40.300 not saying

00:51:40.800 just because

00:51:41.340 someone got

00:51:41.900 it wrong

00:51:42.420 that there

00:51:43.640 was malfeasance.

00:51:44.680 We're

00:51:44.920 humans.

00:51:45.380 We're

00:51:45.500 allowed to

00:51:45.840 get it

00:51:46.100 wrong.

00:51:48.100 But there

00:51:48.820 is a

00:51:49.240 20-year

00:51:49.940 vendetta

00:51:50.420 against

00:51:50.780 Arthur

00:51:51.080 Pawlowski.

00:51:52.120 You've

00:51:52.560 been on

00:51:52.840 his file

00:51:53.200 for two

00:51:53.600 and a

00:51:53.780 half

00:51:53.960 years.

00:51:54.800 I

00:51:55.020 happen to

00:51:55.420 know that

00:51:55.760 he's been

00:51:56.080 fighting with

00:51:56.580 City Hall

00:51:56.980 for at least

00:51:57.420 a decade

00:51:57.760 before that.

00:51:59.460 And they

00:51:59.840 just can't

00:52:00.360 stop hating

00:52:00.900 him.

00:52:01.160 And it

00:52:02.800 infected the

00:52:03.540 last mayor

00:52:04.100 of Calgary,

00:52:04.780 the police

00:52:05.240 chief.

00:52:05.840 It infected

00:52:06.580 Jason Kenney

00:52:07.340 in the

00:52:07.600 cabinet.

00:52:09.620 I do

00:52:10.380 not believe

00:52:10.940 that the

00:52:11.260 persecution

00:52:11.800 and the

00:52:12.120 prosecution

00:52:12.460 of him

00:52:12.860 was normal.

00:52:14.680 It feels

00:52:15.680 like the

00:52:16.060 kind of

00:52:16.320 obsession

00:52:16.800 that governments

00:52:17.380 have with

00:52:17.840 I'll just

00:52:18.100 pick a name

00:52:18.500 Julian Assange.

00:52:19.520 Obviously

00:52:19.900 a different

00:52:20.440 species

00:52:21.480 altogether.

00:52:21.940 But it

00:52:22.720 feels so

00:52:23.960 obsessive.

00:52:26.080 It's not

00:52:26.860 normal.

00:52:28.280 Are there

00:52:29.020 any tools

00:52:29.920 that a

00:52:30.660 thoughtful

00:52:31.020 professional

00:52:31.680 ethical

00:52:32.320 fact and

00:52:34.160 argument

00:52:34.700 oriented

00:52:35.760 lawyer

00:52:36.260 could use

00:52:37.500 and don't

00:52:37.800 give anything

00:52:38.200 away here

00:52:38.720 if it's

00:52:39.040 private.

00:52:40.420 But I

00:52:41.160 just feel

00:52:41.840 like a

00:52:42.240 court of

00:52:42.560 appeal

00:52:42.820 ruling.

00:52:43.300 It feels

00:52:43.620 good.

00:52:44.420 But good

00:52:45.100 lord the

00:52:45.520 guy had to

00:52:45.960 go through

00:52:46.420 two months

00:52:47.260 in prison.

00:52:49.240 High six

00:52:50.240 figures in

00:52:50.860 legal fees.

00:52:51.940 Humiliation

00:52:55.480 on purpose.

00:52:57.320 Is there

00:52:57.740 nothing more

00:52:58.340 for him?

00:52:59.220 Can there

00:52:59.800 be some

00:53:00.360 sort of

00:53:00.740 inquiry?

00:53:01.900 Can there

00:53:02.160 be some

00:53:02.520 sort of

00:53:02.840 comeuppance

00:53:03.380 and investigate

00:53:04.340 how did

00:53:04.940 this get

00:53:05.300 so wrong?

00:53:07.720 There's

00:53:08.300 a few

00:53:09.080 things that

00:53:09.880 could be

00:53:10.920 considered

00:53:11.580 going forward.

00:53:12.920 One is

00:53:13.340 as you

00:53:14.020 indicated

00:53:14.440 a tort

00:53:15.440 action for

00:53:16.600 malicious

00:53:16.920 prosecution

00:53:17.760 and abuse

00:53:18.800 of

00:53:19.160 position.

00:53:21.180 So

00:53:21.320 that's

00:53:21.980 certainly

00:53:22.660 an

00:53:23.000 option.

00:53:24.100 Those

00:53:24.260 are not

00:53:24.720 easy

00:53:25.760 cases to

00:53:27.000 make out.

00:53:27.980 As far

00:53:28.480 as the

00:53:29.160 wrong

00:53:30.200 decision

00:53:30.600 by

00:53:30.860 Justice

00:53:31.180 Jermaine,

00:53:32.500 that,

00:53:33.080 as you

00:53:33.360 say,

00:53:33.560 the remedy

00:53:33.920 is go

00:53:34.620 to the

00:53:34.920 court of

00:53:35.220 appeal.

00:53:37.660 Getting

00:53:38.220 the law

00:53:39.120 wrong,

00:53:40.100 applying

00:53:40.580 the law

00:53:40.940 wrong,

00:53:41.380 interpreting

00:53:41.760 the law

00:53:42.120 wrong.

00:53:43.800 Courts of

00:53:44.420 appeal

00:53:44.760 overturned

00:53:45.780 decisions all

00:53:46.300 the time,

00:53:46.740 so there's

00:53:47.080 not a lot

00:53:47.500 we can

00:53:47.840 do

00:53:47.960 there.

00:53:49.120 But arguably

00:53:50.320 the action

00:53:52.820 of either

00:53:53.460 Alberta

00:53:53.800 Health

00:53:54.060 Services or

00:53:54.900 the Crown

00:53:55.260 Prosecutor's

00:53:55.960 Office,

00:53:56.840 depending on

00:53:58.160 how the

00:53:59.920 next few

00:54:00.360 days play

00:54:00.920 out,

00:54:01.460 at least

00:54:01.980 with the

00:54:02.260 Crown

00:54:02.420 Prosecutor,

00:54:03.420 could attract

00:54:04.340 at least a

00:54:05.400 consideration for

00:54:06.520 the tort of

00:54:07.280 malicious

00:54:07.600 prosecution.

00:54:08.400 As I

00:54:10.620 say,

00:54:10.880 it's not

00:54:11.220 an easy

00:54:11.540 case to

00:54:12.020 make out,

00:54:12.620 but certainly

00:54:13.820 in this,

00:54:15.460 from our

00:54:15.960 perspective,

00:54:16.460 this was so

00:54:17.240 clearly something

00:54:18.080 that should

00:54:18.500 have never

00:54:19.260 gone to

00:54:20.640 the first

00:54:21.180 hearing date.

00:54:22.460 You know,

00:54:22.640 police failed

00:54:25.300 to give

00:54:25.620 proper notice.

00:54:26.660 They arrest

00:54:27.640 the detained

00:54:28.440 for three

00:54:29.020 days,

00:54:29.900 54 hours

00:54:31.200 or something,

00:54:32.960 so nearly

00:54:33.560 three full

00:54:34.080 days,

00:54:34.840 and they

00:54:36.460 release him

00:54:37.540 with no

00:54:39.540 conditions,

00:54:40.240 really,

00:54:40.760 keep the

00:54:41.140 peace,

00:54:41.480 be in good

00:54:41.860 behavior type,

00:54:43.140 and then

00:54:44.200 for Alberta

00:54:45.140 Health Services

00:54:45.780 to pick up

00:54:46.420 the mantle

00:54:46.880 from that

00:54:47.620 mistake and

00:54:48.820 to continue

00:54:49.540 it through,

00:54:50.780 through bringing

00:54:52.500 multiple witnesses,

00:54:54.420 through combing

00:54:55.500 through his

00:54:55.960 social media

00:54:56.620 for months

00:54:57.420 to give

00:54:58.120 additional

00:54:58.880 little tidbits

00:54:59.820 to Justice

00:55:00.820 Germain to

00:55:01.540 feed on,

00:55:03.220 or bringing

00:55:03.740 irrelevant evidence

00:55:04.760 into court,

00:55:05.380 failing to comply

00:55:06.220 with the

00:55:07.020 rules of court

00:55:07.760 regarding hearsay

00:55:08.860 or regarding

00:55:09.700 splitting the

00:55:11.540 case or

00:55:12.040 bringing certain

00:55:13.420 evidence at

00:55:14.040 certain times.

00:55:15.340 All of those

00:55:16.360 things are

00:55:17.260 very concerning.

00:55:19.040 It's either

00:55:20.240 an indication

00:55:20.940 of, as I

00:55:23.240 say,

00:55:23.680 forgetting to

00:55:24.240 keep that

00:55:24.620 filter on

00:55:25.240 with respect

00:55:26.540 to not being

00:55:27.480 motivated by

00:55:28.620 emotion,

00:55:29.740 but that

00:55:30.720 emotion feels

00:55:31.880 like malicious

00:55:32.940 emotion.

00:55:33.760 Now,

00:55:35.660 whether a

00:55:36.100 court would

00:55:36.600 agree with

00:55:37.300 us when

00:55:37.620 the test

00:55:38.000 is so

00:55:38.340 very high

00:55:39.000 and there's

00:55:40.520 going to

00:55:41.520 be feelings

00:55:44.120 on both

00:55:44.600 sides as

00:55:45.320 to, well,

00:55:46.220 are you

00:55:46.500 allowed to

00:55:47.040 dislike somebody

00:55:47.900 who is so

00:55:48.620 loud and

00:55:50.180 open and

00:55:51.960 abrasive as

00:55:52.720 Archer

00:55:53.340 Poplowski?

00:55:54.620 It might not

00:55:55.980 be the easiest

00:55:57.240 case to bring,

00:55:58.320 but it's

00:55:58.880 certainly something

00:55:59.620 available.

00:56:00.500 Once in a

00:56:01.040 while people

00:56:01.440 call me

00:56:01.840 irritating and

00:56:02.560 annoying too.

00:56:03.120 It's very

00:56:03.420 rare.

00:56:03.860 I'm always

00:56:04.180 shocked to

00:56:04.600 hear it,

00:56:05.560 but thank

00:56:07.560 God being

00:56:07.920 annoying and

00:56:08.480 irritating and

00:56:09.560 sandpapery is

00:56:11.180 not a crime.

00:56:16.420 And I

00:56:16.680 think that,

00:56:18.300 you know,

00:56:19.340 it's funny,

00:56:19.700 I have some

00:56:20.500 family from

00:56:21.780 the former

00:56:22.120 Soviet Union

00:56:22.680 and they told

00:56:23.140 me that the

00:56:23.500 people who

00:56:23.860 would get

00:56:24.160 into trouble

00:56:24.660 with the

00:56:24.980 authorities were

00:56:26.500 not normally

00:56:28.360 political

00:56:28.840 dissidents.

00:56:29.340 There were

00:56:29.780 very few

00:56:30.220 of them.

00:56:30.920 It was

00:56:31.180 just people

00:56:31.540 with quirks,

00:56:32.260 quirky

00:56:32.500 personalities that

00:56:33.420 were irritating,

00:56:34.320 that bugged

00:56:35.240 people, that

00:56:35.640 maybe were

00:56:36.020 on the

00:56:36.640 spectrum, or

00:56:37.800 that it was

00:56:38.200 a personal

00:56:39.180 slight.

00:56:39.620 The people

00:56:39.980 who were

00:56:40.320 always in

00:56:40.740 trouble with

00:56:41.080 the KGB

00:56:41.680 were quirky

00:56:44.060 people, annoying

00:56:45.320 people, and

00:56:46.380 that was the

00:56:46.780 ultimate way of

00:56:47.380 solving a problem

00:56:48.220 is rat someone

00:56:48.960 out or snitch on

00:56:50.540 someone to the

00:56:51.120 secret police that

00:56:52.340 they just hated.

00:56:53.760 That it wasn't

00:56:54.360 that they were

00:56:54.780 democracy activists

00:56:55.920 in Siberia or

00:56:57.020 something, it's

00:56:57.900 just someone who

00:56:58.460 rubbed,

00:56:59.340 a powerful

00:56:59.940 person the

00:57:01.160 wrong way.

00:57:03.320 Arthur

00:57:03.560 Pawlowski has a

00:57:05.380 very strong

00:57:05.940 personality, he's

00:57:06.900 not meek and

00:57:07.460 mild, he uses

00:57:09.260 the lion

00:57:10.100 metaphor, and

00:57:11.520 he tells his

00:57:11.940 people to be

00:57:12.340 lions against

00:57:13.780 the hyenas.

00:57:15.220 That's very

00:57:16.040 different than

00:57:16.560 other church

00:57:17.180 leaders in

00:57:17.620 Alberta being

00:57:18.060 prosecuted, you

00:57:19.080 know, be wise as

00:57:19.860 serpents and

00:57:20.480 gentle as doves.

00:57:21.900 You know, there's

00:57:22.340 doves out there.

00:57:23.680 Arthur says he's

00:57:24.380 a lion, but it's

00:57:26.280 not a reason to

00:57:26.960 throw a lion in a

00:57:28.020 cage for 50

00:57:29.000 days.

00:57:30.260 I want to tell

00:57:30.860 you why I'm

00:57:31.200 sitting here,

00:57:32.080 Sarah.

00:57:32.840 I got a text from

00:57:34.080 a cabinet minister

00:57:35.000 who either looked

00:57:36.580 at my tweets or is

00:57:37.340 watching this

00:57:37.900 program right now.

00:57:39.620 Now, I respect the

00:57:42.060 fact that he texted

00:57:43.240 me directly, and so

00:57:44.220 I'm not going to

00:57:45.060 quote it because I

00:57:46.720 think it was sent to

00:57:47.520 me in some

00:57:48.040 confidence.

00:57:48.500 it was a rejection

00:57:52.860 of some of my

00:57:54.580 points that this was

00:57:55.500 politically motivated.

00:57:57.820 So I wrote back to

00:57:59.220 this cabinet minister,

00:58:00.120 I'm not going to

00:58:00.600 name them, and I

00:58:02.980 said, will you make

00:58:03.840 a public statement

00:58:04.700 about this case?

00:58:08.140 And will you see

00:58:09.340 that this anti-church

00:58:10.600 squad, was it

00:58:11.920 Karen Thorsrud?

00:58:12.760 Was that the

00:58:13.180 prosecutor?

00:58:13.620 No, so for this

00:58:18.040 particular one that

00:58:19.020 we just got the

00:58:19.700 court of appeal

00:58:20.220 decision from, it

00:58:23.260 was actually in-house

00:58:24.440 counsel at Alberta

00:58:25.280 Health Services who

00:58:26.180 prosecuted this

00:58:27.160 whole proceeding.

00:58:29.380 So not any

00:58:31.920 formal crown

00:58:33.500 prosecutor on this

00:58:34.740 particular file.

00:58:36.340 Got it.

00:58:37.060 So I think

00:58:37.540 Thorsrud was on

00:58:38.540 another one.

00:58:40.300 I'm just writing

00:58:40.840 this to the cabinet

00:58:41.460 minister.

00:58:43.620 Is there this

00:58:46.840 squad of police and

00:58:48.240 prosecutors who were

00:58:49.220 assigned to this

00:58:49.880 detail?

00:58:50.780 Am I right when I

00:58:51.840 say there's a kind

00:58:52.460 of vice squad, kind

00:58:53.460 of like a gang

00:58:54.280 squad, a drug squad,

00:58:55.460 a vice squad, that

00:58:56.500 there is a squad

00:58:57.420 that's been going

00:58:58.320 on around Alberta

00:58:59.220 specializing in going

00:59:01.280 after the Mendelssohn

00:59:02.700 priests?

00:59:03.480 Am I accurate when I

00:59:04.260 say that?

00:59:04.700 This cabinet

00:59:06.180 minister challenges

00:59:08.000 me.

00:59:09.360 So Calgary Police

00:59:10.760 Service created a

00:59:12.860 unit.

00:59:13.620 for the purposes of

00:59:16.120 enforcing and acting

00:59:18.040 against anybody who may

00:59:21.120 have been breaching

00:59:21.860 Public Health Act

00:59:23.320 violations.

00:59:24.220 So the City of

00:59:25.580 Calgary, their police

00:59:26.660 force created that

00:59:28.040 unit.

00:59:28.900 We have that in the

00:59:30.380 cross-examination

00:59:31.220 transcripts on this

00:59:32.260 matter from the Court of

00:59:33.720 Queen's Bench.

00:59:34.300 So numerous police

00:59:36.380 officers who provided

00:59:38.060 statements, they had

00:59:39.760 testified that they were

00:59:41.700 part of that unit, that

00:59:42.680 they, that's what their

00:59:43.580 mandate was.

00:59:44.460 They had a somewhat

00:59:47.780 secretive meeting the

00:59:49.400 morning of May 8th, 2021,

00:59:51.280 town hall meeting of sorts, to

00:59:54.480 send out multiple groups and

00:59:56.400 multiple teams to go and

00:59:58.540 enforce the Rook order, which

01:00:01.740 we now know was completely

01:00:03.540 unlawful.

01:00:04.140 It didn't apply to anybody in

01:00:05.860 Calgary that weekend.

01:00:07.380 It applied to the rodeo

01:00:09.700 organizers and participants up,

01:00:12.320 you know, two hours away from

01:00:13.720 Calgary.

01:00:14.180 So that whole unit has been

01:00:16.340 mobilized to act against Mr.

01:00:20.400 Archer Poblowski and David

01:00:21.820 Poblowski multiple times.

01:00:24.140 They also have this, the City

01:00:25.860 of Calgary has by-law

01:00:27.380 enforcement, but also they have

01:00:29.080 a unit created essentially to

01:00:31.580 respond to what seems to be

01:00:33.980 responsive to the Walk for

01:00:35.700 Freedom marches.

01:00:36.760 So once those started getting

01:00:38.840 up and going and happening

01:00:40.480 weekly with, in the City of

01:00:42.900 Calgary,

01:00:43.300 they set up a by-law service

01:00:46.040 that also triggers it.

01:00:47.800 So at least in the City of

01:00:49.500 Calgary, I don't know what

01:00:50.440 RCMP is doing.

01:00:51.480 I can't say, yeah, in all of

01:00:52.540 Alberta that's happening, but

01:00:54.440 certainly it's happening here

01:00:55.600 in Calgary.

01:00:56.760 I've got some ideas I'll share

01:00:58.200 with you off camera about what

01:01:00.060 to do.

01:01:01.440 Listen, you've been very

01:01:02.340 generous with your time and

01:01:04.000 I've learned a lot from you.

01:01:07.920 I would encourage our viewers

01:01:09.020 to read the ruling.

01:01:11.020 It's on our website,

01:01:12.200 savearthur.com.

01:01:14.360 We have a number of lawyers

01:01:15.800 who work for Rebel News

01:01:17.640 directly.

01:01:18.580 You're working on this project

01:01:20.500 for the Democracy Fund, which

01:01:22.360 is a registered CRA charity

01:01:25.140 designed to litigate and

01:01:28.280 educate Canadians about civil

01:01:29.940 liberties.

01:01:30.980 And that's very much on point

01:01:32.440 with Pastor Arthur.

01:01:34.200 You've got freedom of speech,

01:01:35.260 freedom of association, freedom

01:01:36.440 of assembly, freedom of religion.

01:01:38.380 There's a lot of really core

01:01:40.520 freedoms at stake.

01:01:41.820 And then, of course, the due

01:01:43.820 process, the fundamentals of just

01:01:46.620 natural justice.

01:01:47.960 So it really is a great case.

01:01:50.520 People who chip in get a CRA tax

01:01:53.260 credit, which makes it easier for

01:01:55.260 people to give.

01:01:56.020 And your fees, which I glance at,

01:02:00.620 are reasonable and we're grateful

01:02:02.420 to you.

01:02:03.880 But for someone to fight, this is

01:02:06.100 not your full-time job, but I'd say

01:02:07.760 it's probably close to a half-time

01:02:09.240 job for you working on Arthur.

01:02:12.000 And it has been for years.

01:02:13.120 And you have colleagues.

01:02:14.380 You have a senior lawyer there,

01:02:15.800 Robert Hawks, QC.

01:02:17.420 You've worked with Chad Haggerty,

01:02:19.880 former cop who's now a criminal

01:02:21.540 lawyer.

01:02:21.920 You have a staff.

01:02:23.980 So you're the star and you're the

01:02:26.320 leader, but you have a larger team.

01:02:29.240 And I am not going to, for reasons

01:02:30.980 of confidentiality, disclose the

01:02:32.740 total amount we have paid amongst

01:02:34.380 all the lawyers.

01:02:35.560 But it is an enormous fee, worth

01:02:38.180 every penny, because this isn't about

01:02:40.480 money.

01:02:40.840 It's about protecting our civil

01:02:42.520 liberties.

01:02:45.880 But if it were not for the donors

01:02:47.960 and this charity, the Democracy

01:02:50.380 Fund, no normal human could have

01:02:54.740 defended themselves for a two-year

01:02:57.680 battle, three prison terms, hundreds

01:03:02.620 of thousands, let me just put it that

01:03:04.140 way, hundreds of thousands of dollars

01:03:05.800 in legal fees, endless court

01:03:07.740 appearances.

01:03:09.440 I mean, I admire Arthur for his

01:03:11.540 stamina to being arrested, being

01:03:13.360 jailed and not breaking.

01:03:15.400 They were trying to break him.

01:03:16.520 But no normal person could afford

01:03:21.320 this fight.

01:03:22.300 And even if you were a millionaire, I

01:03:25.220 think most millionaires would say it's

01:03:26.360 not worth it.

01:03:27.680 You know, just pay the penalty, take

01:03:30.500 the loss.

01:03:32.000 I'm not going to spend two years of my

01:03:33.780 life and countless hundreds of

01:03:35.180 thousands fighting on a point of

01:03:36.840 principle.

01:03:37.200 I think there's something wrong in the

01:03:39.740 system when it takes a guy two years,

01:03:42.640 two, three, four lawyers, not quite a

01:03:47.000 million dollars, to get a little bit of

01:03:50.340 justice, and he's still being hunted.

01:03:53.680 Yeah, absolutely.

01:03:55.060 I mean, for this case to have been the

01:03:59.740 size and nature of it that the government

01:04:02.740 has brought against Arthur Pawlowski and

01:04:04.960 David Pawlowski, that they have brought so

01:04:07.360 many witnesses that they have tried their

01:04:09.520 absolute hardest to make sure that he

01:04:12.720 was in prison.

01:04:14.700 Some, you know, I talked to other lawyers

01:04:16.520 at my firm who, you know, on a normal

01:04:19.180 matter, non-content, well, everything's

01:04:22.020 contentious, but not civil liberties

01:04:24.380 oriented.

01:04:25.620 A content proceeding might take a day,

01:04:28.500 might have maybe 10 pages of written

01:04:31.360 submissions.

01:04:31.880 In this case, we had cross-examinations

01:04:35.140 on five different witnesses.

01:04:37.340 We had briefs due on the contempt

01:04:39.620 finding and the sanctioned finding.

01:04:41.800 We started this process on the contempt

01:04:43.980 finding in May.

01:04:45.580 We had a release hearing.

01:04:47.320 We had multiple hearing dates throughout

01:04:49.080 May, all the way through to October.

01:04:51.560 On something that, in other cases, could

01:04:54.020 have been a day and 10 pages of written

01:04:56.080 submissions, we have over 100 pages of

01:04:58.800 written submissions.

01:04:59.480 Charter issues arising, cross-examination

01:05:02.280 of witnesses.

01:05:03.620 To go all the way through to have a judge

01:05:07.760 fined wrongfully against the Poplowskis and

01:05:10.760 have to then launch an appeal to correct that

01:05:14.680 bad precedent finding.

01:05:17.020 And bad precedent not only for the Poplowskis,

01:05:19.340 but for all Albertans.

01:05:21.040 And arguably, you know, all of our provinces,

01:05:24.780 we rely on one another, so arguably all

01:05:27.580 Canadians, is amazing that your viewers,

01:05:33.800 the supporters of the Democracy Fund has been

01:05:36.180 able to make sure that this was not just a

01:05:39.220 steamroll by government overreach and that we

01:05:42.100 were able to put up the fight that we did and

01:05:44.040 eventually get the win that we got.

01:05:45.860 Yeah, and credit to Arthur, of course.

01:05:47.700 I mean, it's one thing for me to be a pundit

01:05:50.800 who's mad about things.

01:05:51.920 It's one thing for you to be a lawyer who,

01:05:54.160 as a profession, fights things.

01:05:55.640 But he was the one in the prison cell.

01:05:58.100 He was the one arrested on the street.

01:06:00.020 He was the one who didn't know and still

01:06:03.560 doesn't know how long will this go on for.

01:06:05.660 You know, I was at the Justice Center for

01:06:07.240 Constitutional Freedoms dinner in Vancouver

01:06:09.920 a few weeks ago honoring Tamara Leach,

01:06:12.120 who's in prison, by the way.

01:06:13.520 And John Carpe, the leader of that group,

01:06:17.480 he's Dutch, and he told me that his

01:06:19.600 grandparents, he told me what it was like

01:06:21.660 in Holland when the Nazis rolled in in 1940.

01:06:25.520 And we know now, with the benefit of

01:06:29.000 history and hindsight, that it was, you

01:06:31.060 know, that the World War II ended in 1945.

01:06:33.280 So they had to be able to hold out for

01:06:35.400 four or five years.

01:06:37.060 But they didn't know that.

01:06:39.800 Was Holland going to be a German province

01:06:41.900 forever?

01:06:42.220 For a hundred years?

01:06:44.280 For a thousand years?

01:06:46.120 Or more to the point for the rest of their

01:06:48.000 lives?

01:06:49.800 Where do you get the courage to fight

01:06:51.380 against something on principle when you

01:06:53.680 don't know how it's going to end?

01:06:56.140 And Arthur's been in this for years,

01:06:58.240 even decades.

01:06:59.460 And he's not done yet, as you pointed out.

01:07:01.860 So it takes a lot of courage.

01:07:03.080 Like, salute that guy.

01:07:04.540 He's a prickly pear.

01:07:07.900 You know, he's like an egg.

01:07:09.660 You boil it, it gets harder.

01:07:10.900 The harder you boil, the more you boil

01:07:12.700 an egg, the harder it gets.

01:07:13.680 I think that's him.

01:07:15.900 You know, I just got a note back from

01:07:17.820 the cabinet minister.

01:07:19.840 I called on him to make a public

01:07:21.480 statement.

01:07:22.600 He said, I can't make a public statement

01:07:24.060 on an ongoing legal matter as a minister

01:07:26.700 of the crown.

01:07:27.320 And I said, the court said the Rook order,

01:07:32.900 I'm chatting with him while I'm chatting

01:07:34.920 with you, Sarah.

01:07:37.780 The court said the Rook order was invalid

01:07:39.620 and the Germain order was outrageous.

01:07:41.740 I think it would behoove you to make a general

01:07:44.620 public policy statement regarding freedom.

01:07:46.820 You don't need to refer to the case at hand.

01:07:48.680 I'm not asking for any cabinet minister

01:07:52.280 or premier to refer specifically to this case

01:07:55.440 because this case might be appealed

01:07:56.500 for all we know to the Supreme Court.

01:07:57.600 I doubt it will be.

01:07:58.580 And there's other cases involving Arthur.

01:08:00.300 But surely this case is a splash of cold water

01:08:02.660 to those fevered prosecutors and police.

01:08:06.600 I'm going to stop reading from this cabinet minister

01:08:09.180 before I'm tempted to go further.

01:08:13.520 Sarah, I'm grateful for your time.

01:08:14.840 You've spent an hour with us,

01:08:16.060 and I didn't mean to keep you that long,

01:08:17.720 but I'm glad you were here

01:08:18.700 to bring some sober-minded thought.

01:08:21.480 I'm hot, but you're cool.

01:08:24.040 And that's what won it.

01:08:25.640 Cool, collected, relentless, indefatigable

01:08:30.180 is the word I'm looking for.

01:08:32.940 And I don't want to get too emotional,

01:08:36.380 but I believe that you personally

01:08:37.760 played a very important role

01:08:39.640 and that your qualities,

01:08:42.080 like there are many lawyers in the world

01:08:43.520 and a number of them could have done it,

01:08:45.200 but it was your personal qualities

01:08:46.720 that I think really made the difference here

01:08:49.220 and some of the qualities I just listed.

01:08:51.480 And you have my personal gratitude.

01:08:53.680 And the reason that so many Rebel News viewers

01:08:56.220 have donated is in part

01:08:58.260 because they've gotten to know you

01:08:59.740 over the last two years

01:09:00.900 in your interviews with our reporters.

01:09:03.980 And so they've learned to trust you

01:09:05.500 and indeed to love you

01:09:07.060 because you share our concerns.

01:09:09.280 Even though I'm quite sure

01:09:10.740 we disagree on many political

01:09:13.100 or ideological points,

01:09:15.100 in fact, I think that strengthens

01:09:16.800 our admiration for you

01:09:18.160 because it goes to your belief in principle.

01:09:21.660 And I know that I'll forever be grateful

01:09:23.280 for the fact that you were there in the court.

01:09:26.420 You never said die.

01:09:27.740 You never said blink.

01:09:29.280 You never said throw in the towel.

01:09:31.080 You never said plea bargain.

01:09:32.520 You fought all the way.

01:09:34.180 And I really think you made a difference.

01:09:35.840 And I hope you get,

01:09:37.780 I know you'll get the affection

01:09:38.860 of our Rebel News viewers,

01:09:39.900 but I hope you get it

01:09:40.740 from other fancier people too.

01:09:43.020 I hope you get it

01:09:43.640 from other members of the bar.

01:09:45.340 And I hope you get it

01:09:46.180 from across the ideological spectrum.

01:09:48.800 I hope people on the left

01:09:49.980 who find Arthur Pawlowski

01:09:51.760 a pain in the ass,

01:09:53.240 I hope they see

01:09:54.060 how your work in court

01:09:55.440 has strengthened freedom

01:09:56.940 for all of us.

01:09:58.240 And you mentioned

01:09:58.880 some of the other people

01:09:59.760 who've been arrested before

01:10:01.040 in vague and general court orders.

01:10:03.980 They will never know

01:10:05.120 the work that you did,

01:10:07.400 but they will benefit from it.

01:10:08.760 So thanks very much

01:10:10.060 on behalf of all of us here.

01:10:11.720 We love what you've done for us

01:10:13.380 and we're so glad

01:10:14.280 you're on the team for freedom.

01:10:17.440 Absolutely.

01:10:18.020 Thank you, Ezra.

01:10:18.960 And thank you to all your viewers

01:10:20.040 who have been contributing

01:10:21.160 and helping Archer's fight

01:10:23.080 and David's fight.

01:10:24.580 It's been a wild ride

01:10:26.900 and I'm really thrilled

01:10:28.120 that we got the decision

01:10:29.160 we did today.

01:10:29.860 Well, thank you for that.

01:10:30.720 All right, we'll say goodbye to you

01:10:31.760 and we appreciate you joining us.

01:10:32.880 I understand you're in lockdown.

01:10:34.700 You got the Rona.

01:10:37.120 May you get back to good health.

01:10:38.620 It looks like you're doing okay,

01:10:39.680 but I hope you're 100% soon.

01:10:40.960 I'm a little under the weather too today.

01:10:42.520 The both of us are quite a case,

01:10:44.000 but you did a great job today.

01:10:45.080 Thanks for explaining things.

01:10:47.180 Thanks, Ezra.

01:10:47.980 All right, there you have it.

01:10:49.460 Sarah Miller, isn't she great?

01:10:50.660 I'm just so,

01:10:51.860 I feel so grateful to her.

01:10:55.000 And her fees

01:10:57.060 are what you would expect

01:10:59.440 from a bright young lawyer

01:11:00.440 working on this case for years.

01:11:02.220 I don't begrudge her a penny.

01:11:03.260 In fact, that's the opposite.

01:11:04.560 I believe in this case so much.

01:11:06.680 And so if you want to help us,

01:11:08.160 please go to savearthur.com

01:11:09.880 because as you heard,

01:11:11.140 there's more battles to come.

Rebel News Podcast - July 23, 2022

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Canadian-style book censorship comes to China

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