EZRA LEVANT ｜ Catching up with Avi Yemini after his journalistic tour of duty in Israel
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In this episode of the Ezra LeVant Show, I catch up with Abiyamini after his journalistic tour of duty in Israel. We talk about his experience as an on-the-scene reporter covering the conflict between Israel and Hamas, and what it was like to be in the middle of it all.
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Tonight I catch up with Abiyamini after his journalistic tour of duty in Israel you're
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watching the Ezra LeVant Show as we're here with Abiyamini we're at the ARC conference which is a new
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intellectual activist advocacy group I don't even know quite how to describe it and frankly
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I'm not sure if ARC itself knows how to define itself Jordan Peterson is one of the key public
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intellectuals behind it there's about 1700 delegates here from 70 countries and I'm delighted
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that one of the delegates is our friend Abiyamini. Abiy nice to see you. Good to see you Ezra. You came
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here directly from Israel where you were stationed for a couple weeks as our on-the-scene reporter for
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the war between Israel and Hamas it was very dangerous there you had a bulletproof vest and
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helmet as did Benji your videographer why don't you just tell me a little bit about how it went
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we watched all the videos and we and we sent them up by email to a lot of our viewers maybe tell us
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the story behind the story a little bit how was it what's the mood of Israel and how were you were
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you afraid just tell me a bit what it was like. Yeah absolutely Ezra and it's good to see you in
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London of all places but um we arrived there in in London and I guess I didn't know what to in in sorry
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in Tel Aviv and I guess I didn't know what to expect because it was all so raw we were actually
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there almost for three weeks I realized that when I said that said the other day or two weeks but it
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was actually almost three weeks that we were there right after the attacks as soon as those attacks
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happened we thought when we were talking and we said all right the the media and the world seems to be
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on Israel side but they've got about 48 hours and it was a hundred percent right 48 hours as we were
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landing the narrative was switching even though there was you know there was the rising toll of
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of number of hostages that we well the rising death toll plus the the number of hostages that
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have been confirmed and I think now they're at almost 240 um and we didn't know it was eerie when we
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got there it was really quiet there was no one coming out of their homes uh Israelis were actually for
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the first time that I've ever seen and from what I what I understand speaking to you know everyday
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people but also my family that in the history of Israel have they ever been that scared people just
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to leave their home not knowing because they witnessed terrorists actually come into what was
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considered safe communities it may have received rockets in the past they set up systems to deal with
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that and it was you know hadn't been for a while so people were really scared there was no one on the
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streets every store was shut there was actually rules similar to covid restrictions um especially
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down in the south as to whether you could so a fast food place could be open most were shut but um
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fast food shops could not you couldn't sit there you couldn't dine in um and as we were there over the
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three weeks it relaxed from that side a bit so by the end of it I remember when we were first
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there was this one um supercharged station that we went to because we took a Tesla for the period
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um Elon Musk had free superchargers the closest supercharged station to the in in the south is in
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a place called Kirakat massive car park for this outdoor mall which was empty when we originally got
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there by the end there was a bit of traffic getting in and out of it so it but even talking to the locals
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they said for this period this time of the year even what we saw at the end is is is dead because
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people are still staying home in fact schools were still shut they're in a state of war um
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and it was it was scary and and heartbreaking and and there's such a mix of emotions I can tell you now
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my head's still um processing what we went through the last three weeks and I almost feel guilty even
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saying that because what I went through is what I went you know I'm a reporter from Australia
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that didn't lose anyone don't know personally anyone that was kidnapped but um but I felt you
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know just as a human as a human doesn't matter about your background watching um those images posted
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by Hamas themselves plus other witnesses uh the videos that came out and and and the the barbarism
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the attack the the severity of it and as we learned more and even going through those communities and
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seeing the aftermath ourselves it it was just hard really hard to take um and then and then on top of
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that just seeing the world's reaction when it's so clear what's what's happened and what's going on
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uh but but I'm I'm pretty proud about what we managed to achieve there in those three weeks
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I'm glad you went and of course to be away from your family is a sacrifice thank you for that and they
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must have been worried for you of course um like you I was shocked by the images that
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Hamas bragged about I mean they live streamed it they boasted about it even the Nazis hid the depth
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of the uh evil they did because they knew the world would be revolted by it here Hamas calculated
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correctly that much of the world would be overjoyed by it and and uh you know the the pogrom the riot
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at the Dagestan airport over a rumor that a flight from Israel was coming they smashed through the
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airport smashed on the tarmac were hunting for Jews um it it's unleashed uh a an ancient hatred and
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violence and barbarism that's shocking I have a little bit of PTSD from what I heard happen there
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and that's just like you said we've just heard about it imagine living through it knowing someone who
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was affected by it's not just the 1400 dead thousands wounded absolutely horrifying you were
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correct when you said that Israel had about two days of sympathy before the world turned on them
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I felt a little bit like I felt on 9-11 when just for one moment the world loved America because for
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that one moment America was bleeding and on its knees and yet when America stood up to fight back
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the world turned against it and that's happened even faster with Israel and never before like 9-11 was
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something but that was actually before YouTube and Twitter and Facebook and TikTok and I'm on TikTok and
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I feel like Hamas and Turkey and Iran have their own direct communications tool into the hearts of
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London, New York, Toronto, Melbourne and that's never happened before uh you know during the second world war
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there was Tokyo Rose and there was Axis Sally those were English language radio uh presenters who would
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broadcast demoralizing messages to the allied troops but now you have direct into the schools and homes of
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million of a billion people Hamas propaganda I don't think that's ever happened before and what I'm
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scared about Avi and this happened in London a couple days ago is a hundred thousand Brits and when I say
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Brits some of them are British citizens many of them are not but I didn't see a single British flag they
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have a there is a tribal support for the atrocious attacks praising the terrorist attacks and flipping the
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script on Israel using the word holocaust against them using the word nazi against them I'm actually
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more worried about the west than I'm worried about Israel and you're standing in London now what do you
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think of all that yeah so I was I interviewed um a local rabbi here at the ark just an hour or so ago
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that which which will obviously publish um in coming days but he said he's planning on running away from
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London taking his family to Israel and let that sink in a second because I'm telling you now Ezra
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we were on the front line it was scary we were wearing a bulletproof vest and a and a helmet um
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right you know running away from rockets at points literally from mortars trying to get to safety I can
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tell you now I feel safer there in in sterot in southern Israel than I do walking the streets of
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London now why do I say that is because yep I you know over the next once the war is over
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we're there's going to be we're going to find out more as to what went wrong but at this point in time
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certainly Israel was asleep at the wheel on October 7th now since then it's gone into full gear
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overdrive we've seen even something that I didn't believe would be possible they've managed to rescue
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already one of the hostages which which I'll be honest with you I've been in the military and I
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just did not think it was possible so and I think it's important for the morale of the Israelis to
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for them to know that it's actually possible and Israel is going to be back and I think that this
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needs to be an Entebbe moment for Israel for a number of reasons I think the Israeli population
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needs to believe in it I think the Arab world needs to see that Israel is back um but just interrupt
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Entebbe for our viewers who don't know was a daring raid when there was a kid uh hijacked plane in
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Uganda and Israeli special forces flew to Uganda and rescued all the hostages in fact Benjamin Netanyahu
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um his brother was on that mission and died only death yep so I just just a little bit so so a shock and
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awe wow moment that gave Israel and Jews a feeling of strength and pride because I also feel a
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demoralization that the only democracy in the Middle East and the only Jewish country was smashed and
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surprised and its strength and confidence was dashed and I think that's a psychological injury
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to the Jews of the world and to the Jewish state absolutely yes so that's why I say there has to be
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that kind of Entebbe moment which I which which I'm expecting because that's the only way Israel is
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going to win this when you talk about smashing Hamas whatever that means beating Hamas there has to
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be something where the world goes okay don't mess with Israel again uh even with all the propaganda but
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the reason why I say it's safer there is because now at this point I feel like the the Jews have
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you know a defense force they have an army they have an air force they have um the the the iron dome
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they have the bomb shelters they've built all this to protect the Jews walking in London if I walk in
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London and I get recognized by that mob I don't think I'm very safe and I don't feel very safe and
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and it's not just in my head because you see it on the streets and you talk to every Jew here and
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they say they know personal stories and and Jews are fleeing Jews are fleeing the west they're fleeing
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London to go to the war zone for safety you know Israel is obviously in a very dangerous place 1400
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people murdered 240 or so kidnapped thousands wounded rockets daily but they have one thing that
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the UK with all its military might and the United States with its enormous military might they have
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one thing that the UK and America and Canada don't have which is they have come to the conclusion
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that the utopia of open borders immigration and that they have they are willing to name the risk
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and call it by its name whereas here in London where I went sort of in a very low key way
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to to the 100,000 person march for Hamas and the police made almost no arrest there were some scuffles
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they didn't invoke any anti-terrorism laws they didn't deport any foreign nationals who were inciting hatred
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in fact I saw a video of a indigenous Brit who said what's with all these flags he was arrested by
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police my point is Canada America UK Australia are still in denial every single day thousands of
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people come who are not with the peaceful prosperity pluralistic we can all get along separation of mosque
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and state no they're not with that some are there are some refugees from Islamic extremism who are
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who become perfect Brits and Canadians and Americans but I saw 100,000 people who if they could would
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well they say it they say they would have an intifada which is a Arabic way basically of saying a pogrom
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just last night in a tube station a subway station Liverpool subway station here in London
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hundreds of pro-Hamas supporters shut down the whole subway station and if you were a Jew maybe
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wearing a kippah or other identifying marks star David maybe in that train station I didn't see any
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police there might be a few transit cops would you be pogromed like that 500 person pogrom in Dagestan
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Russia where they were hunting for the Jews I there's a fear here because not just of the enemy but
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that the that the government has not in any real way realized it's in a war and it's in Dagestan
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Russia will it come to London and Sydney they were chanting gas the Jews in Sydney and as far as I
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know no one's being arrested let alone charged let alone deported that's what's scary about London
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Toronto etc is people are sticking their head in the sand like an ostrich that's what's scary to me
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I think there's two points that you made that that remind me of two things that are important
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for the viewers is one when you say about the borders and Israel recognizing the issue something that
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many outside of Israel don't know is that actually what Israel found on many of the terrorists were
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hand-drawn maps of each house including as much information as whether they had a dog how many
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kids and where it turns out this came from was that actually they talk about Gaza being an open-air
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prison but you can actually get a permit so Palestinians were able to get work permits to work
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in those southern um communities in a lot of those kibbutzim and it turns out because there were also
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some of the uh the terrorists that were killed were those same workers that had been coming in using the
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permits I think now that's going to hurt their system because there's no they're going to rethink
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the idea which is which is kind of the idea of open border immigration trying to work in a way for peace
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the idea was the more that you work with your neighbor and you talk every day then you're going to find
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more in common but in this case it turned out no they acted nice to your face but um they were
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actually part of this plan to butcher and kill you and uh the other one is here just minutes ago
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I ran into Jimmy Carr I'm a massive fan of his and I I he's a comedian comedian he's the he's a very
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funny comedian and I fangirl fangirled him here and I actually pulled him up and I said hey Jimmy I'm a
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massive fan I don't think he believed me I thought he was just trying I would love to ask you a few
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questions he said I'm not doing interviews um but then I put the mic away and I went up to him hey
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Jimmy I'm I actually am a fan of yours and I wanted to actually ask you because I will do it's off the
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record but what I was going to ask you is it was last year where an organization he called hope not
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hate um tried its very best to have him cancelled over a holocaust joke now the joke was it was a part
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of his Netflix series it was quite a funny joke it's not it's you know it's a bit uh you can see
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it's a holocaust joke not for everyone but they tried to have him cancelled for a holocaust joke
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that he clearly didn't mean it's satire and that same organization and and that was widely publicized
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and they you know they basically got props by the Jewish community organizations were supporting this
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this hope not hate for that stance to have him cancelled but in the last three weeks that same
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organization hasn't said a word about the hundreds of thousands that have marched for the street
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calling for the actual murder of Jews now Jimmy went into an amazing rant after that
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unfortunately it was uh you know I respected his thing not to be we're not here out to get him I
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actually think it's an important story for people but that's the reality here they're willing to
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dig their heads so far in the sand here to protect I don't know why to protect this minority
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that's not this weak minority in Britain they're actually more powerful than any other community here
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and they're willing to protect them against the smallest minority in the world that's that's what is
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mind-boggling and that's why if anything it shows us it just demonstrates why Israel is so important
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for the Jews around the world um its existence is so important because I could first for the first
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time in my life Ezra I could see how the holocaust actually played out and how it easily happens
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you know I I feel the same way and again not for what happened in Israel but for what is happening
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out here and how you're so right people who are expert at finding microaggressions and triggers and
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who need safe spaces because you misgendered me I'm a jeezer they them not you know people who
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claim to be so exquisitely attentive to human rights and feelings are not only silent in the face of these
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hate marches they're the ones marching in them I uh they never meant it it was all about power
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and I always come back to what Dr. James Lindsay says the thing is not the issue is not the thing
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uh the revel the issue is not the issue the revolution is the issue so all these groups these
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left-wing groups these anti-hate groups these you know gays for Palestine how could it possibly be
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you'd be killed in Gaza well because it's a revolution against white people and they say
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that Jews are white even though a lot of Israelis are Sephardic it's the decolonization cultural
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Marxism we must destroy Israel it's an arm of the west we must bring it down they're the oppressor
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um they ascribe to is even though Israel has been victimized for millennia they they call it the
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oppressor even though there's 33 Muslim countries Israel is the odious one I don't know I I find
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these are dark days and I'm not sure how much appetite our audience has for it because I've
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been talking about it almost every day but I would say that I would talk I talked about 9-11 every day
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for a very long time also and I see that this will engulf if God forbid it the fires keep burning
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it'll engulf more than just Israel I mean it's bizarre to me that Bolivia has cut diplomatic ties
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with Israel and Yemen has declared war um I think that you know you're I think your family was from
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Yemen originally tell me a little bit about that like your name is Yemeni is it I think it's the
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Houthis um terrorist group Iran's uh agents in Yemen it's all a proxy war and that's the thing like
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you've got Iranian and people it's bizarre seeing the what I'm calling the unholy alliances whether
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it's on the streets of London with these socialists left which by the way you see the Palestinians kind
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of looking at them in some cases actually ripping these gay flags out of their hands um but even
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the ones that are accepting them they're accept they're accepting them for now um once they're done
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with the Jews they're going to go for the gays like it's you don't have just read their own
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charter to know that um or just see the way they treat gays in Gaza to be able to to be able to
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predict what's going to happen if they actually get their way either in Israel or here you know
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you make me you remind me of a video I just saw this morning of a Hamas leader saying there will
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be another attack that they want to kill another 1400 and again and again they called their their
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mission Al-Aqsa flood because they were flooding into Israel and the Hamas leadership says oh we will do
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this again it was succлять we'll do it again again and again here take a quick look at that
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They're not saying ceasefire to the guy who just said we want to rape and murder 1,400 more.
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They're saying ceasefire to Israel as if it was on the day after 9-11 or the day after Pearl Harbor.
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But the ongoing attack, the fact that they still hold on to mostly civilian hostages.
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Listen, I think Israel needs to do what it should have done a long time ago.
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If Israel listens to the world, seizes fire, lets them have the hostages.
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There is going to be no Israel in the very near future.
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I'm still trying to understand a little bit about where this conference is going.
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Catherine Burble-Singh, who's the head of the Michael Academy here, which is the multiracial, multiethnic school.
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She's talking about how it's important to have patriotic values because if you don't give newcomers of different races and religions a tribe called the UK, sing patriotic songs, fly the flag.
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If you don't give them that sense of belonging and tribalism, they'll revert to ethnic or racial tribes.
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So I thought it was a beautiful speech and very inspiring.
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And there's a lot of people here who care very much about what we're talking about.
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You know, the 100,000 people marched for Hamas the other day.
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And I'm sure some people thought, oh, those are customers.
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I mean, I guess what I'm saying is, in reference to what you said at the beginning of our conversation, it is possible to see how the Holocaust can happen.
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Because there are good people who are upset by this.
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And there are also some people who aren't that upset.
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And then there's most people in the world who say, well, I'll be fine.
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And I'll just, you know, be a little bit more careful of my P's and Q's.
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And I am worried that too many people either don't care or maybe it unlocks a surprising latent anti-Semitism.
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But there are some people who have startled me.
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People who I've worked with and have known have startled me with, like, just outright anti-Semitic.
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Like, not political commentary about, well, we should have this peace plan instead of that peace plan.
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People are saying essentially what Hamas is saying.
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And I guess, and it's just so weird to see it pop up in Bolivia.
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But Yemen's been anti-Semitic for a very long time.
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They've had an Islamist issue there for, you know.
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My family escaped Yemen in 1948 because it did turn against the local Jews.
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And that's kind of what we're seeing today on a grander scale in the West as well.
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It's the local, you know, taking the Middle East conflict and feeling however you do about it
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and taking your position and basically targeting your local Jewish population.
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That's what's happened historically since 1948 anyways.
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It's just, it's trying to make it into something that they're trying to draw Israel into that war with Iran.
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And it's this alliance between Iran, Russia, China, who really, I blame for all of this, is the Biden administration.
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Because I think that this wouldn't have happened under Trump.
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It would have been, first, Ukraine happened because of Biden's failures and now this.
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And it's, all it is, it's a power thing between, a show of power.
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And it's that alliance testing out America here.
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I feel like they saw they can get away with whatever they want with, in Ukraine.
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They realized that Biden was just tough talk, no action, even though they received so much from Ukraine at the time.
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But they didn't actually back up who they promised they would, or not at least in a way that was more than some sort of funding.
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And whatever people feel, however they want about the Ukraine war, I think this war is very different.
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The only thing that's consistent through it is that I feel the reason behind it, the Russia, China, Iranian power shift, is what this is really about.
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And for that alliance, this is a, well, Russia in Ukraine has a specific thing.
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But for the rest of them, for this alliance, it's about dominating and taking control and shifting away from the America, the West, basically holding, pushing the democratic values around the world.
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And it's scary because who knows, who knows how this is going to play out and whether it's going to grow into something bigger.
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And I hope that, you know, the hostages are released and Hamas is dismantled sooner rather than later.
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So that not only the Israelis can get back to life and healing from this, but also the Palestinian civilians, at least the innocent ones.
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You remember this, that it's not talked about a lot because we often talk about the innocent civilians caught up in the middle of it.
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But what people don't realise or purposely avoid is the fact that when Hamas went in on October 7, they cleared the way.
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In fact, our latest interview with the soldier who was an unarmed civilian, he's a reserve soldier now, but at the time he was an unarmed civilian who went to fight Hamas until he got a gun, went to fight Hamas as his 15 of his friends were butchered.
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He said what he witnessed with his own eyes was the fact that Hamas was actually just going through, shooting the soldiers, shooting anyone with guns, killing a bunch of people.
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But he goes, the brutality, the rapes and the cutting open of pregnant women, the beheading, the, you know, all these, many of the really barbaric atrocities were actually committed by civilians that had followed Hamas in, not the Hamas terrorists themselves.
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Here, let's watch a quick clip of that interview.
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So, 645 I got out of the room, in 6.5 was the prisoners.
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645 I got out of the room, I went to the new search for the new search, in the Yasha, which is, you can see from there, the 2-3-2.
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I looked at, I saw 70-50 men, something like this, a certain number of men, on the UF and Tender.
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I opened up a person from the house, said that the friends who didn't get hurt, I lost it to the station.
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I left again, I took a friend, I got a friend that all the friends who didn't get hurt, in the car, they got out of the 2-3-2.
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So, I got out of them, certainly, I got out of the sun.
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I took it to the interior, and then he came to Ezgen Rav Shat's dashiyash fortunately.
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Went home, we finally focused on watching what happened.
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Me of the M. Asshahtrade, we talked about some attackBrusha.
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they took all sway прибrogщ我想 and took sight on it in the area
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So you heard everything the Experian at this time?
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I realized that something is happening here, I lived 18 years in Moshav Yesha, I've known
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that the development was not very severe, but we started to see the trees, because
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Well, Avi, I actually meant to talk to you about the ARC conference, and let me say
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this, my comment earlier about people continuing along with their lives, that's not a disparagement
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There are people here who are very concerned about the war, and there are people who are
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concerned about antisemitism, but look, for most people, life goes on.
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And I think in the 1930s, in London, in America, in Australia, there were people who were really
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worried, but then there were other people who said, look, life goes on, and that's not
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really my fight, and the world was soon consumed by flames.
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And I hope it's not, but if you look at the trends, I mean, Joe Biden, as you say, is
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And Rishi Sunak here in the UK, he's going to lose and be replaced by Keir Starmer, the
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Labour leader, and they're going to be far worse.
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And Germany and France talk about deporting extremists, but they haven't.
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And I, you know, look, it's not one man who would save the world if Donald Trump were
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a president that doesn't work that way, but there is no leader.
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I don't know where the world's leaders are here.
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And I fear, as Yates said in his poem, The Second Coming, that the best lack all conviction,
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and the worst are full of passionate intensity.
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I saw 100,000 people full of passionate intensity for what?
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They used the word ceasefire, but not for Hamas to cease fire against Israel.
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I mean, you're going back to Melbourne and you cover the referendum there, the ethnic set
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aside called The Voice, and that was very interesting.
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We were in New Zealand together, and that was very interesting.
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And there's a lot of issues in Australia and Canada and in the world that we do cover.
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But I do believe that the world changed as much on October 7th as it did on 9-11.
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And I fear that the world has taken a step towards barbarism.
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You know, the worst thing in the world, Avi, is to say, I told you so.
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There is no worse thing in the world than to be able to say, I told you so.
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At least if you're a worrier about the course the world is on.
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Let me give you the last word, and maybe you can say something more positive.
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Look, I have been in a bit of a fog because it has been the heaviest story that I've followed,
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You know, COVID was hard times, but this was a big bang real quick and for all the reasons we just mentioned.
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But I think to what you were saying a minute ago where so much of the world, it's not the apathy that actually bothers me that much.
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Like, I think people shouldn't be apathetic, especially when the other side is so vocal and heading to the streets that way.
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If you see somebody bullying, you know, you should stand up.
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I know that's an Australian trait is to stand up and defend those that are being attacked by the mob.
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But my bigger problem is with those who purport or pretend, and especially with large platforms, to say,
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we want to stay out of no more wars, no more wars, yet they're dictating to Israel how they should run.
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What I would say to those people, if you want to stay out of wars, just stay out of it.
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If you think that we shouldn't get involved, don't get involved.
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But you, on one hand, talking about staying out of the war, but really you mean,
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screw Israel, we don't care what happens to that country.
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Let Israel handle it because I can promise you now Israel will, at the end of the day, like every war in history,
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they'll come out of it and they will, you know, they will learn from it and they will defend their people
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Of course, the thing that scares me the most is how it is back home in Canada.
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I saw this image of a woman who was punched in the face.
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And, you know, there are reports of assaults, threats at universities, including York University,
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which is probably the most highest Jewish percentage of kids in all of Canada.
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I mean, I love Israel, I visited it, but I am a Canadian.
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And I wonder if the next 120 years will be as peaceful as the last 120 years.
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That's it for us here in London at the ARC conference.
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We didn't really talk that much about the ARC conference, but it is something we're going to keep our eye on.
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As you know, Jordan Peterson imagined it as a counterpoint to the World Economic Forum.
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As you know, Rebel News has been an ally of his since his University of Toronto days.
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I'm proud of the fact that we actually helped him.
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You might recall when he got started, the Government of Canada cut off all his research grants.
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And I don't know if you remember this, but Rebel News crowdfunded about $100,000 and gave it to him to replace those government grants.
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So we've been on Team Peterson for a long time.
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We'll call it quits there, but we'll have more for you.
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Avi is going to have a book launch tomorrow night if this airs on Thursday night.
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And we'll have news from that because having a public book event in London for Avi Yamini,
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well, there's 100,000 people I know who wouldn't like that too much.
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There have been some cancel attempts on the event, but the event venue is holding strong.
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Until next time, on behalf of all of us at Rebel, well, we're not in the world headquarters,
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Rebel London Outpost, to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.