Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ China inquiry reveals a shroud of 'federal secrecy'

00:00:00.000 Hey, you've got to see the video version of today's podcast.

00:00:03.400 I mean, sure, you'll get, you'll understand it through the podcast,

00:00:07.000 but I really want you to see it because there are video clips.

00:00:09.760 We're going to show about 10 of them from the inquiry into foreign influence in Canada.

00:00:15.560 China's interference on our elections.

00:00:18.260 Stunning video clips from the Commission of Inquiry.

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00:00:37.180 All right, here's today's show.

00:00:42.900 You're listening to a Rebel News Podcast.

00:00:45.220 Tonight, shocking revelations from the inquiry into foreign influence in Canadian elections.

00:01:00.560 It's April 4th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:03.580 You're fighting for freedom!

00:01:06.420 Shame on you, you censorious bug!

00:01:09.600 Did you get an understanding on September 18, 2023,

00:01:21.900 why CSIS was only giving you a briefing then about foreign interference

00:01:25.500 that took place for an election two years earlier?

00:01:29.080 It wasn't explained to me, no.

00:01:30.620 Mr. Chu, in connection with the 2019 and 2021 general election,

00:01:38.200 can you please comment on the usefulness or lack of usefulness of CSIS,

00:01:44.140 the RCMP, and any other Canadian security apparatus efforts to track and combat foreign interference?

00:01:49.700 In 2019, perhaps, it was still at the time of being established

00:01:58.000 and also running through teething problems, et cetera, et cetera.

00:02:03.300 But I participated in the 43rd election, 2019 election,

00:02:10.160 without much anticipation of mechanism that would counter foreign interference.

00:02:16.040 And then throughout my two years at the House of Commons,

00:02:20.860 I've learned about these, what I've termed, the Alphabet Soup, GAC,

00:02:27.760 it's Global Affair Canada, CSIS, of course, everybody knows,

00:02:32.020 the CITE Task Force, Security and Intelligence Threats to Elections Task Force,

00:02:37.240 and then so on and so forth.

00:02:38.740 Yes, there's RM, P5, NCCOB, CSE, CCE, ESCC, and then CIEPP, all these.

00:02:50.460 So the impression I have is it's a well-resourced net of protective mechanism.

00:02:59.040 And so I gradually developed a, what is now to me, it's a false sense of security.

00:03:09.040 And that's why I was deeply disappointed after the 2021 election.

00:03:17.280 Hey, did you ever see that book I wrote so quickly?

00:03:20.120 I just punched it out in six weeks in the spring of 2020.

00:03:24.080 That's when the pandemic became a panic, the lockdown started.

00:03:30.860 I was trying to figure things out.

00:03:33.000 I called the book China Virus because I saw the attempt from the People's Republic of China

00:03:38.460 to rename it something else.

00:03:40.680 But my book had a bit of a twist.

00:03:42.780 I said that the real China virus wasn't so much COVID-19,

00:03:48.060 but rather China's communist ideology was sort of sneaking its way into Canada

00:03:55.160 through Justin Trudeau because he had compromised himself.

00:03:58.880 And in that book four years ago, I documented and collected the evidence we had

00:04:04.460 that the People's Republic of China was commanding undue influence in Canada,

00:04:10.880 mainly through cash to Justin Trudeau's Liberal Party, the Trudeau Foundation, etc.

00:04:18.520 The book did its job, but here we are four years later,

00:04:23.660 and now I can say that whatever was in that book was maybe 1% of what was actually going on.

00:04:34.360 And the thesis of the book, that Trudeau himself was the China virus,

00:04:40.640 was the Manchurian candidate, has been utterly proven,

00:04:44.980 especially in the last few days, as there has been a proper inquiry into the subject.

00:04:51.040 And our friend and chief reporter, Sheila Gunn-Reed,

00:04:53.840 has been watching that inquiry all day, live tweeting it, and cutting little video clips.

00:05:00.400 And I've been watching them out of the corner of my eye,

00:05:02.500 and they're absolutely stunning.

00:05:04.140 I thought, instead of a monologue from me, let's bring Sheila on the show

00:05:08.800 and basically have her walk us through half a dozen,

00:05:13.120 or if we have time for it, as many as 10 video clips.

00:05:17.480 Because what is being disclosed in this commission is shocking,

00:05:22.780 and I want you to hear it from the woman who has been following every minute of it.

00:05:27.060 So without further ado, let me bring her onto the channel,

00:05:30.620 my friend Sheila Gunn-Reed. Sheila, thanks for taking the time.

00:05:33.480 I know we're on a break in the commission, so you've got only about 45 minutes with us.

00:05:39.340 Yeah, covering this commission has been wild, because like you, I thought I knew a lot about this.

00:05:44.140 But it's even worse than what we knew as members of the public and as journalists.

00:05:50.000 And it is surprising the lack of communication between the security intelligence agencies,

00:05:55.480 as Kenny Chu, a conservative candidate who was an MP who was targeted by the PRC,

00:06:01.120 says, the alphabet soup agencies, of which there were 15,

00:06:05.740 none of them told him he was being targeted by the People's Republic of China in his writing,

00:06:11.900 even though they knew, and detailing the multiple ways that ethnic Chinese voters are being targeted

00:06:21.780 and intimidated by the People's Republic of China in conservative writings.

00:06:28.320 And there's one NDP writing also where they were targeted,

00:06:31.540 because the conservatives had taken a hardline stance against China.

00:06:36.140 Now, back up for one second and set the stage.

00:06:41.200 Where is this commission physically?

00:06:43.420 Who is chairing it?

00:06:44.960 Is it a judicial commission?

00:06:47.100 Who appointed the judge?

00:06:48.920 Do you feel comfortable with the mandate of it?

00:06:51.560 Because I know there were questions before about, you know,

00:06:55.040 do some of the Chinese suspects have more access to confidential documents

00:07:01.940 than even, say, the conservative opposition?

00:07:03.800 Tell us a little bit about the commission itself before we jump into the videos,

00:07:08.440 because I want our viewers to know, and I myself would like to know,

00:07:11.860 is this a commission we can trust, or is it sort of a, you know, an inside job,

00:07:17.680 like when Trudeau appointed Judge Rolo for the Emergencies Act inquiry?

00:07:24.420 So it is, I'm glad you mentioned the Emergencies Act inquiry.

00:07:28.200 It is very similar to that.

00:07:30.740 But I think this commission has an extra task.

00:07:36.560 They're cleaning up the mess of David Johnston.

00:07:38.960 So that was Justin Trudeau's family friend,

00:07:41.420 who is tasked with the initial investigation of Chinese meddling.

00:07:46.240 And wouldn't you know it, a liberal friend investigated the liberals

00:07:49.540 and found zero meddling and no reason for an inquiry.

00:07:53.460 So this is the result of just how blatant that cover-up was.

00:07:58.800 So I think this will be far more transparent.

00:08:01.760 It is very similar to the Public Order Emergency Commission in that

00:08:06.840 there are witnesses that are called up.

00:08:09.820 They are going through their initial witness statements to the commission

00:08:15.060 by commission lawyers.

00:08:16.540 And then they are being examined by interveners and interested parties,

00:08:21.260 including the Conservative Party of Canada,

00:08:23.600 multiple lawyers from human rights organizations,

00:08:26.860 lawyers representing Ukrainian and Russian democracy advocates.

00:08:33.760 So it seems like there's a lot of people involved.

00:08:38.640 However, there's always, as is with these things,

00:08:41.420 not a lot of time for cross-examination.

00:08:43.600 Do you remember how this came about?

00:08:47.700 Was this a Trudeau commission or was this a parliamentary commission?

00:08:51.700 Again, not that it matters too much, but of course,

00:08:54.180 Trudeau would have every instinct to make it a kind of cover-up.

00:08:58.540 As you mentioned, he hand-picked David Johnson.

00:09:01.860 And by the way, what a disgrace.

00:09:03.320 That man led an exemplary life and he was governor general

00:09:07.300 and he should have gone out on a high note,

00:09:09.020 but then he allowed himself to be used in such partisan ways.

00:09:12.820 I just really don't know why he tarnished his reputation

00:09:17.040 by being such a useful idiot.

00:09:18.480 Anyhow, who set up this commission?

00:09:21.000 Was it Trudeau?

00:09:21.860 Was it Parliament?

00:09:23.440 Who's the boss of it?

00:09:24.640 Is it Judge Hogue?

00:09:26.620 Did I get that right?

00:09:27.540 Judge, yes.

00:09:28.240 Justice Hogue, Marie-Josée Hogue.

00:09:31.100 She was appointed to the Court of Appeal in Quebec in 2015.

00:09:35.100 This was pushed for by the opposition parties.

00:09:39.880 So technically, it's a parliamentary commission,

00:09:42.700 much like, I guess, the Public Order Emergency Commission.

00:09:47.580 And I mean, I thought during the Public Order Emergency Commission

00:09:51.700 that things were happening fairly.

00:09:53.800 But as it turns out, the fix was in at the end anyway.

00:09:56.240 So I guess we won't know how fair this is until the bitter end.

00:10:00.020 But what we do know and what we have now,

00:10:02.680 and we don't need some judge to tell us, is the testimony.

00:10:06.400 And some of it has been amazing.

00:10:07.700 So without further ado, let's jump right in.

00:10:10.180 And you have been cutting these clips.

00:10:12.200 While you're watching it, you're live tweeting,

00:10:14.640 you're video clipping, you're doing three jobs in one.

00:10:18.520 Why don't you take us through these?

00:10:20.040 And I have not seen most of these, Sheila.

00:10:22.120 So let's watch them together.

00:10:24.240 And you can tell me and our audience

00:10:26.220 what's interesting about them.

00:10:28.020 So our producer, Olivia, has sort of put them in a rough order.

00:10:32.020 And we may as well go through it that way.

00:10:34.080 So why don't we play the first one,

00:10:35.340 and then we'll come right back to you to help us unpack it.

00:10:38.320 Is that a good way to do it?

00:10:39.740 Sure.

00:10:40.300 Okay, so let's jump in straight to the first video.

00:10:42.880 It was surreal.

00:10:45.240 But when we looked at the voter turnout rate,

00:10:51.120 and also in light of some of the misinformation

00:10:55.540 that has been drowning many of the constituents,

00:11:03.000 we understand what happened a little bit better.

00:11:06.840 The voter turnout rate in Steeves and Richmondese

00:11:11.760 in the past three elections has been continuously dropping

00:11:15.560 from 2015's 60.25% to 2019's 56.94%

00:11:24.800 to 2021's 52.77%.

00:11:30.620 In other words, over 3,000 eligible voters did not vote in 2021

00:11:39.380 when they had voted just mere 23 months ago.

00:11:44.500 And my opponent's garner, the number of votes that he garnered

00:11:49.360 was actually lower than the vote that I had in the 2015 election.

00:11:57.520 The 2015 election in which you lost?

00:12:00.720 Yes, that's right.

00:12:01.560 I lost, but I had 16,630.

00:12:06.160 Okay, so what you're saying is you had a higher vote count

00:12:08.680 in 2015 during the election loss

00:12:10.780 than your opponent had in 2021 for an election victory.

00:12:15.220 Correct.

00:12:15.880 The man on the right, is that Kenny Chu?

00:12:18.680 That's Kenny Chu.

00:12:19.980 And was he a conservative MP or was he just a candidate?

00:12:22.980 No, he was a conservative MP for Steveston Richmond

00:12:27.060 in British Columbia, and that was one of the writings

00:12:30.380 that was targeted by the People's Republic of China.

00:12:33.200 And what he's explaining there has been the theme

00:12:35.960 of a lot of the Chinese intimidation tactics

00:12:39.080 that not only Kenny Chu testified to,

00:12:41.520 but also Jenny Kwong from the NDP.

00:12:44.240 So what happened is that, as we know, in Canadian elections,

00:12:50.340 how you vote isn't public, but if you voted is available to the party.

00:12:56.040 And what happened was the liberal candidate won the writing

00:13:01.900 with fewer votes than Kenny Chu lost the first time around.

00:13:07.420 And what he's saying is, and he testified to it later,

00:13:11.300 and so did Jenny Kwan, is that Chinese voters,

00:13:15.220 ethnically Chinese voters, and his writing is 50% ethnically Chinese,

00:13:18.640 they were so afraid of voting in an election

00:13:23.660 where the conservative candidate might win

00:13:27.100 that they didn't even want their names to turn up on the voter roll.

00:13:31.120 And so that's how the liberal candidate won.

00:13:33.260 It wasn't so that, in his writing,

00:13:35.760 that votes were driven to the liberal,

00:13:40.280 because that wasn't the case.

00:13:41.720 The Chinese voters were intimidated to stay home

00:13:44.780 because you could face ramifications

00:13:47.240 if you had voted in an election in a writing

00:13:50.440 where the conservative won.

00:13:52.120 And there's these all-Chinese social media apps,

00:13:56.460 not Twitter or Facebook or LinkedIn

00:13:58.920 or any Canadian-American things.

00:14:01.240 They're, like, I think one of them is called WeChat,

00:14:03.520 and they're run out of China.

00:14:05.340 They're in all Chinese language.

00:14:06.540 They have the news feeds.

00:14:07.920 You do business with them.

00:14:08.900 And it was a Niagara Falls of anti-conservative propaganda.

00:14:16.380 And, I mean, I hate the phrase disinformation

00:14:19.400 because Trudeau uses it against any of his critics, including us.

00:14:23.740 But in this case, it actually was the Chinese government

00:14:26.680 lying to Canadian-Chinese people about the conservatives

00:14:30.740 and about the election and terrifying them.

00:14:33.160 Yes.

00:14:33.440 The disinformation that targeted Kenny Chu

00:14:36.300 was because he proposed a foreign agent's registry.

00:14:40.400 And the disinformation that was floating around WeChat,

00:14:43.040 where a lot of this is organizing,

00:14:45.360 was that it would basically stifle the free speech

00:14:48.840 of ethnically Chinese voters.

00:14:51.040 And they were being told that they would be censored in Canada

00:14:54.720 because of his proposed foreign agent's registry.

00:14:59.440 And, Olivia, I'm going to put you on the spot.

00:15:01.580 And I want to go to a clip.

00:15:03.900 And it was the dumbest question of the day,

00:15:05.760 which was naturally asked by a lawyer

00:15:08.240 for Justin Trudeau's attorney general.

00:15:10.500 And there was a lot of victim blaming happening,

00:15:13.420 to use the language of the left.

00:15:15.100 The lawyer asked,

00:15:16.680 well, Kenny Chu, if they were lying about you on WeChat,

00:15:20.420 why didn't you just go to WeChat,

00:15:22.760 go on WeChat and try to combat the disinformation

00:15:25.560 that was being organized by the PRC against you there?

00:15:29.000 And Kenny answered in a way that,

00:15:32.160 I mean, the AG should have known better

00:15:34.960 because these are government and parliamentary rules

00:15:37.540 that Kenny was referring to.

00:15:41.160 The member of parliament,

00:15:43.300 the House of Commons has prohibited us

00:15:45.560 from using WeChat

00:15:48.100 when I was a member of parliament

00:15:50.560 because of security concern.

00:15:52.400 It was just weeks ago I was an MP.

00:15:57.160 And then during the election, I'm not.

00:16:00.040 And knowing the danger that I'm submitting myself to,

00:16:03.740 we have made a conscious decision

00:16:05.460 not to get a WeChat account

00:16:08.220 nor engage with people on WeChat.

00:16:10.680 Isn't that interesting?

00:16:12.300 So, I mean, WeChat is a Chinese government-controlled

00:16:16.860 spyware, malware.

00:16:19.100 It also does commerce.

00:16:20.900 It also is social media.

00:16:22.480 But it is a tool of espionage,

00:16:25.300 a tool of political operation.

00:16:27.740 And isn't that a fascinating thing

00:16:29.460 that he was actually forbidden

00:16:32.640 by Canadian security rationale for going on there?

00:16:36.440 Isn't that amazing?

00:16:37.300 And that the liberal's lawyer would ask him that

00:16:40.340 shows, well, it shows a lot of things.

00:16:42.700 Thank you for that clip.

00:16:43.760 Let's keep going.

00:16:44.720 Um, why don't you choose the next video?

00:16:48.820 I see Olivia has laid them out,

00:16:50.380 but why don't you choose the next one

00:16:51.880 to make sure we're doing this story justice?

00:16:55.140 Go ahead.

00:16:55.940 Sure.

00:16:56.700 So, another one of the themes

00:16:58.620 from the commission testimony on Wednesday

00:17:01.480 was that the liberals were using accusations of racism,

00:17:07.660 anti-Asian racism,

00:17:08.980 to shut up Asian conservative MPs

00:17:15.720 who were raising concerns

00:17:17.440 on behalf of their Asian constituents.

00:17:20.820 And one of the things that they used this shut-upperie on

00:17:24.960 was questions about the Winnipeg Biolab.

00:17:31.080 And Kenny Chu testifies to that.

00:17:33.600 Well, it was, um, it was during the pandemic.

00:17:38.560 Um, and I remember it was just months before that,

00:17:45.960 before, um, the parliament rises or arose,

00:17:50.280 uh, we started the discussion

00:17:53.120 and the trying to find, uh, facts,

00:17:56.340 fact finding on the Winnipeg National Microbiology Lab,

00:18:00.720 what happened under what circumstances,

00:18:02.260 the, the scientists were dismissed,

00:18:05.820 their security clearance removed.

00:18:08.620 Um, and there were a lot of, uh, talk

00:18:13.080 about, uh, anti-Asian racism,

00:18:14.840 even coming from, uh, the government, uh, MPs

00:18:18.920 and even the prime ministers,

00:18:20.120 um, in response to our questioning.

00:18:24.000 And as, as I explained to you, uh, medical commissioner,

00:18:28.420 I have a very high regard of Canada's democracy.

00:18:32.980 And it was a very disillusioned moment

00:18:37.160 when I see that the parliament of Canada

00:18:39.900 had asked four times for, um, documents

00:18:43.400 for the National Microbiology Lab situations

00:18:45.980 and the government keep on ignoring it

00:18:47.900 and even took, uh, the parliament

00:18:50.880 represented by the speaker to court.

00:18:53.920 And then when that didn't work,

00:18:56.180 um, the government decided,

00:18:57.900 or, or the governing party decided

00:18:59.800 to pull the plug and call an election

00:19:01.820 on that in the midst of, uh, COVID-19,

00:19:05.820 um, pandemic that we are suffering.

00:19:07.960 So it was a very chaotic moment.

00:19:10.940 It was also a very polarized moment.

00:19:14.020 Um, people, you know, there,

00:19:16.280 there have been supportive of, uh, the mandate,

00:19:19.720 you know, against mandates, masking and all that.

00:19:23.100 So here you have Kenny Chu,

00:19:24.160 who's a Chinese Canadian

00:19:25.300 who talks about his love for democracy.

00:19:27.320 He's worried about China.

00:19:28.460 He's calling for a foreign agent registry.

00:19:30.240 He's curious about these Chinese agents

00:19:33.200 who, as we now know, stole viruses from the,

00:19:37.280 I mean, for all we know,

00:19:39.840 the COVID-19 virus came from Canada.

00:19:42.560 I mean, we still don't have the truth

00:19:44.140 about what was stolen.

00:19:45.420 I understand that they may have stolen

00:19:46.700 the Ebola virus.

00:19:48.260 And Trudeau was up to his eyeballs on this

00:19:50.320 and calling anyone racist and blocking him.

00:19:53.900 It's painful to see Kenny Chu,

00:19:55.440 who wants to put his best foot forward

00:19:56.880 as a, as a patriotic Canadian,

00:19:59.900 be roughed up by this.

00:20:01.820 Trudeau really is a racist

00:20:03.560 when you think about it.

00:20:04.880 You know, we've got one more clip

00:20:06.880 from Kenny Chu on this.

00:20:08.560 And he talks about how insulting it was

00:20:11.260 to him as a Chinese Canadian,

00:20:13.680 a patriotic Chinese Canadian

00:20:15.380 who testified that the Tiananmen Square

00:20:18.260 catastrophe was a watershed moment for him.

00:20:22.440 It was, then he knew

00:20:24.300 that he had to be a Canadian.

00:20:25.600 And he so loves Canada and democracy

00:20:28.460 that he cut ties with his Hong Kong family

00:20:31.720 the second he decided to run

00:20:33.440 for the school board

00:20:34.280 because he knew it would put them under threat.

00:20:37.520 And here he was fighting for Canada,

00:20:39.720 being called a racist in the House of Commons

00:20:41.800 by Justin Trudeau, a privileged white man.

00:20:45.400 For somebody who voiced up

00:20:47.000 to, for the benefit of Canada

00:20:49.780 in the House of Commons,

00:20:51.700 when I heard hurtful remarks,

00:20:54.780 not just from any MP,

00:20:58.380 but from the Prime Minister of Canada,

00:21:00.780 when we asked about the Wuhan virus,

00:21:03.580 when we asked,

00:21:04.640 why are we not shutting down flights

00:21:06.420 from Wuhan in early 2020?

00:21:11.220 Because of our constituents

00:21:12.840 who are from China asking us,

00:21:15.340 why are we exposing Canada to that?

00:21:17.520 So we asked that question

00:21:18.720 in the House of Commons.

00:21:19.600 The answer has always been,

00:21:22.400 you know, mindful of racism,

00:21:24.500 you know, don't be an anti-Asian.

00:21:26.780 To me, as an Asian Canadian,

00:21:30.540 it's very insulting.

00:21:32.560 And for that to come from

00:21:34.660 the top leader of our country,

00:21:40.140 it's doubling insult with injury,

00:21:43.020 doubling injury with insults.

00:21:45.220 That's incredible.

00:21:46.380 I remember that.

00:21:47.640 It was Chinese Canadians

00:21:49.220 who knew about SARS

00:21:51.220 from the last time around.

00:21:52.700 And they said,

00:21:53.500 what are you doing

00:21:54.200 letting these people

00:21:54.860 come in from Wuhan?

00:21:55.600 It's interesting that Kenny Chu

00:21:57.480 called it the Wuhan virus.

00:21:59.280 I know, I caught that too.

00:22:00.960 And because, oh, you can't say that?

00:22:02.700 That's racist.

00:22:03.540 Say this, you know,

00:22:05.140 meaningless word COVID-19.

00:22:07.560 No, he called it the,

00:22:08.600 I mean, I love the fact

00:22:09.820 that he's still calling it

00:22:10.740 the Wuhan virus

00:22:11.400 because that's where it's from.

00:22:12.700 And that's what it's called.

00:22:14.000 And that's what the Chinese community

00:22:15.260 obviously called it.

00:22:16.100 And I recall that it was

00:22:17.240 Chinese Canadians

00:22:17.940 who first said,

00:22:19.000 stop the flights from Wuhan.

00:22:20.640 And we didn't.

00:22:21.720 And it's insane.

00:22:23.600 And this is so illustrative

00:22:26.480 of the fact that not only

00:22:27.640 was all of Canada harmed,

00:22:29.740 but they were targeting

00:22:31.220 Chinese Canadians

00:22:32.280 who dared to put China,

00:22:34.120 to put Canada first.

00:22:36.000 Very interesting.

00:22:37.040 There was another MP,

00:22:40.400 Michael Chong,

00:22:41.240 who I think is ethnically,

00:22:43.980 he's half Chinese,

00:22:45.320 but again,

00:22:45.700 Chinese Canadian,

00:22:47.940 loyal to Canada,

00:22:49.980 proud patriotic Canadian.

00:22:51.820 Let's hear from him

00:22:53.080 because I understand

00:22:53.740 you've got a few video clips

00:22:55.040 of Michael Chong.

00:22:57.240 Why don't you set up

00:22:57.840 the first one?

00:22:58.800 I understand that

00:23:00.100 he's done the math

00:23:01.320 and he thinks

00:23:02.000 that the Conservative Party

00:23:03.880 may have actually lost

00:23:04.860 the last election

00:23:05.860 because of Chinese interference.

00:23:07.820 At least in some ridings,

00:23:10.260 for sure.

00:23:11.160 He was asked

00:23:12.240 by the commission lawyer

00:23:13.780 how he concluded

00:23:19.700 that the Conservative Party

00:23:21.820 of Canada was harmed

00:23:22.800 by Chinese interference

00:23:23.940 in the last election.

00:23:25.140 And he just went off

00:23:26.400 on a list.

00:23:27.120 Let's take a look.

00:23:28.240 I would say

00:23:29.300 that the Conservative Party

00:23:30.800 was affected

00:23:34.440 in about half a dozen ridings.

00:23:37.820 by the foreign interference

00:23:39.640 threat activities

00:23:40.320 directed by the government

00:23:41.560 of the People's Republic of China.

00:23:43.420 And what do you base

00:23:44.160 that understanding on?

00:23:45.800 I base that on

00:23:47.620 a number of analyses

00:23:50.340 that have been done

00:23:51.440 subsequent to the 2021 election.

00:23:54.520 Three analyses in particular.

00:23:57.660 And the analysis done

00:23:59.840 by the rapid response mechanism

00:24:02.160 of Global Affairs Canada

00:24:03.300 during the writ period

00:24:04.960 that indicated

00:24:08.360 that the Chinese Communist Party

00:24:09.660 was likely behind

00:24:10.760 the disinformation operations

00:24:12.100 conducted against

00:24:13.240 MP Kenny Chu

00:24:14.980 during that campaign.

00:24:16.120 I base it on

00:24:17.040 the digital forensic lab analysis

00:24:19.120 done by the Atlantic Council

00:24:20.840 in November of 2021

00:24:23.160 that went through

00:24:24.700 the various social media posts

00:24:27.800 that had been posted

00:24:28.760 during the election

00:24:29.380 and came to a similar conclusion.

00:24:31.240 And thirdly,

00:24:32.400 I base it on the analysis

00:24:33.600 of the research

00:24:38.340 done by Canada Research Chair

00:24:40.920 at McGill University,

00:24:42.260 Dr. Benjamin Fung

00:24:43.280 and his associate.

00:24:45.100 I also base it on

00:24:46.660 my own analysis

00:24:49.840 of the drop in turnout

00:24:52.620 for Conservative candidates

00:24:54.800 in these half a dozen ridings

00:24:56.560 during the 2021 period,

00:24:58.480 which was a market change

00:25:00.540 from previous elections.

00:25:04.000 I base it on

00:25:05.620 the firsthand accounts

00:25:07.280 of former colleagues

00:25:08.540 like MP Kenny Chu,

00:25:09.840 MP Bob Soroya,

00:25:11.840 MP Alice Wong,

00:25:13.840 and others.

00:25:16.660 And I base it on

00:25:18.300 some of the accounts

00:25:22.460 of what happened

00:25:25.060 in the roundtables

00:25:26.420 that I hosted

00:25:27.140 subsequent to the 2021 election.

00:25:31.340 So that's what I base it on.

00:25:32.720 You know,

00:25:32.840 that's pretty incredible.

00:25:34.300 It's election denialism.

00:25:36.480 That's a phrase

00:25:37.080 that the left uses sometimes.

00:25:39.840 And it's funny

00:25:40.300 because I remember,

00:25:41.860 I'm old enough to remember

00:25:42.820 when it was George Bush

00:25:44.000 versus Al Gore

00:25:44.980 and it went down

00:25:46.420 to hanging chads

00:25:47.920 in Florida

00:25:48.600 and it went to the Supreme Court

00:25:49.940 and every Democrat

00:25:51.200 denied that George W. Bush

00:25:52.980 was the legitimate president

00:25:54.540 and Al Gore

00:25:55.500 wouldn't cooperate

00:25:56.260 with the transition

00:25:57.940 and, you know,

00:25:59.780 they were election deniers

00:26:02.160 and they were election deniers

00:26:05.680 when Trump won in 2016.

00:26:08.160 But then if anyone

00:26:09.040 raised skeptical questions

00:26:10.340 in 2020,

00:26:11.420 you were a crazy

00:26:12.320 conspiracy theorist,

00:26:13.980 January 6th insurrectionist

00:26:15.520 and should be charged

00:26:16.160 with a crime.

00:26:17.140 So the Democrats

00:26:18.900 in the United States

00:26:19.600 are of two minds

00:26:20.360 on election denial.

00:26:21.720 If you're denying

00:26:24.380 that Republicans win,

00:26:25.540 you're sound.

00:26:26.500 If you're denying

00:26:27.220 that Joe Biden

00:26:28.340 won the largest result

00:26:29.660 in history,

00:26:30.880 you're a conspiracy theorist.

00:26:32.380 Here you have Michael Chong

00:26:33.440 who's a very thoughtful guy

00:26:35.480 who said,

00:26:36.380 well, I'm citing this professor

00:26:37.800 and this study

00:26:39.080 and this scholar.

00:26:40.620 Like, he was so calm

00:26:42.040 about it.

00:26:42.620 But he basically said,

00:26:45.620 I dispute

00:26:46.280 the election results

00:26:48.860 in half a dozen ridings.

00:26:50.900 Not dispute them.

00:26:51.760 Like, he's not saying

00:26:52.440 they were miscounted.

00:26:54.020 He was saying

00:26:54.660 they were tampered with,

00:26:55.480 they were meddled,

00:26:55.980 they were interfered with,

00:26:57.060 the vote was suppressed

00:26:58.140 by a foreign

00:26:59.440 interference campaign.

00:27:02.040 That's about as categorical

00:27:03.640 as it gets.

00:27:04.400 Let me ask you,

00:27:05.560 have you seen him,

00:27:07.460 have you seen that attempt

00:27:08.660 to smear him

00:27:09.860 like we see

00:27:11.340 in the United States?

00:27:12.220 Or, I mean,

00:27:13.280 his demeanor,

00:27:14.020 and frankly,

00:27:14.440 he's a bit of a red Tory.

00:27:15.920 Like, he's the most

00:27:16.940 right-wing guy out there.

00:27:18.760 So, and the way

00:27:19.620 he scholarly laid it out there,

00:27:21.500 it's pretty tough

00:27:22.240 to call him

00:27:22.920 a right-wing insurrectionist.

00:27:24.800 He certainly doesn't

00:27:25.480 look the part.

00:27:26.460 How has his comment been,

00:27:28.440 have you followed it all,

00:27:30.040 how he's been reacted to,

00:27:31.300 or are they just ignoring him?

00:27:32.940 Is the mainstream media

00:27:33.960 and the liberal party

00:27:34.760 and the establishment

00:27:35.320 just ignoring him

00:27:36.220 because you don't want

00:27:37.140 to rebut him,

00:27:37.600 you don't want to give him

00:27:38.240 any oxygen,

00:27:39.440 you don't want to give

00:27:39.960 any more air

00:27:40.960 to this guy?

00:27:42.580 Well, here's the thing.

00:27:43.520 You can't really rebut

00:27:45.280 Kenny Chu

00:27:46.540 and Michael Chong

00:27:48.480 because they were both

00:27:50.000 targeted by the PRC.

00:27:52.320 And we know Michael Chong,

00:27:53.760 and we've got a clip of this.

00:27:55.600 Michael Chong

00:27:56.340 was threatened.

00:27:58.680 He was targeted

00:28:01.360 right out of

00:28:02.260 the Chinese consulate.

00:28:04.060 There was a Chinese diplomat

00:28:05.980 that was named

00:28:06.660 Persona Non Grata

00:28:07.820 kicked out of the country

00:28:09.200 for targeting Michael Chong.

00:28:10.980 So it's kind of hard

00:28:12.160 to go after Michael Chong

00:28:13.520 when we all know

00:28:15.020 that a diplomat

00:28:15.900 was kicked out

00:28:16.460 of the country

00:28:17.240 because of the specific

00:28:18.820 targeting of him.

00:28:19.880 And here's the thing.

00:28:21.440 With both Kenny Chu

00:28:22.660 and Michael Chong,

00:28:24.440 the alphabet soup

00:28:25.560 of agencies...

00:28:26.760 So you mean like CSIS

00:28:28.020 and RCMP and...

00:28:29.460 Exactly.

00:28:30.180 Yeah, got it.

00:28:30.800 There are 15

00:28:32.660 alphabet soup agencies

00:28:34.760 as Kenny Chu calls them

00:28:36.000 that are tasked

00:28:37.280 with keeping our elections safe,

00:28:39.700 keeping our politicians safe

00:28:41.320 from foreign influence.

00:28:42.960 Not a single one

00:28:44.520 of these agencies

00:28:45.540 let Kenny Chu

00:28:46.660 or Michael Chong

00:28:47.640 know that they were

00:28:48.760 being targeted

00:28:49.520 while they were

00:28:50.700 being targeted.

00:28:51.600 Kenny Chu said,

00:28:53.160 I was drowning.

00:28:54.920 I didn't know it.

00:28:55.900 And they were watching me drown.

00:28:57.660 And Michael Chong

00:28:58.600 talks about

00:28:59.620 what he would have done

00:29:01.000 differently

00:29:01.660 to protect his own safety

00:29:03.900 had somebody

00:29:05.260 at some point

00:29:06.240 made him aware

00:29:07.200 that he was the target

00:29:08.400 of People's Republic

00:29:10.280 of China targeting.

00:29:12.340 We've got that clip.

00:29:13.380 Well, I am an MP

00:29:15.520 who represents a riding

00:29:16.800 that is partly

00:29:17.560 in the greater Toronto area.

00:29:19.340 As a result,

00:29:20.860 you know,

00:29:21.100 I'm often in downtown Toronto.

00:29:24.120 You know,

00:29:24.980 I'm often at

00:29:26.060 the University of Toronto

00:29:26.880 talking to

00:29:27.940 experts in a range

00:29:29.300 of policy areas

00:29:30.200 at the Monk International,

00:29:32.040 the Monk School

00:29:33.100 of International Affairs,

00:29:34.780 which happens

00:29:35.380 to be located

00:29:36.180 at St. George

00:29:37.400 and Bloor Street.

00:29:38.720 And just up the street,

00:29:39.920 a mere matter of blocks

00:29:41.200 is the PRC consulate

00:29:42.560 where this particular

00:29:43.940 diplomat,

00:29:44.860 Mr. Wei Zhou,

00:29:45.540 worked.

00:29:46.440 So it would have been

00:29:47.120 nice to know

00:29:47.940 that this individual

00:29:49.140 was targeting me

00:29:50.300 so that I could have

00:29:51.920 at least been aware

00:29:52.940 of my surroundings

00:29:55.300 and to ensure

00:29:55.920 that nothing nefarious

00:29:57.160 was going on.

00:29:58.360 So those are the kinds

00:29:59.400 of things that I think

00:30:00.440 elected officials

00:30:01.800 and Canadians

00:30:03.240 more broadly

00:30:03.800 need to be made aware of.

00:30:05.420 If we're not aware

00:30:06.660 of these things,

00:30:07.240 we go about our business

00:30:08.420 not thinking

00:30:10.960 about these things.

00:30:11.800 I mean,

00:30:12.180 it's not unthinkable

00:30:13.160 that the Chinese government

00:30:14.260 would do something

00:30:14.920 to him physically.

00:30:16.500 I don't know

00:30:17.320 if that's their style,

00:30:18.760 but at the very least,

00:30:20.160 they would be spying

00:30:20.960 on him,

00:30:21.640 tracking him.

00:30:22.320 That's absolutely

00:30:23.200 their style.

00:30:24.440 It is shocking.

00:30:26.720 You know what?

00:30:27.020 I'm reminded

00:30:27.720 in the United Kingdom,

00:30:29.700 and I know this

00:30:30.200 because our friend

00:30:31.840 Tommy Robinson,

00:30:33.100 there's a rule

00:30:33.760 in the UK,

00:30:34.900 if the government

00:30:36.060 has credible information

00:30:37.740 that you're under

00:30:39.560 threat of murder,

00:30:42.720 they have a legal

00:30:43.600 obligation to come

00:30:44.680 to you in person

00:30:45.460 and give you a written,

00:30:47.220 it's called

00:30:47.560 an Osmond warning,

00:30:49.480 saying,

00:30:49.780 here's what we know,

00:30:50.760 here's the rest

00:30:51.360 of your life,

00:30:51.840 now you know,

00:30:52.920 so you can't blame us

00:30:54.140 for hiding it from you.

00:30:55.140 Now,

00:30:55.260 that's a terrifying

00:30:56.540 letter to get

00:30:57.380 because what can you

00:30:58.620 do about it?

00:30:59.520 But at least

00:31:00.120 you're not walking

00:31:01.380 around,

00:31:02.120 you know,

00:31:02.980 whistling,

00:31:04.040 thinking everything's fine.

00:31:05.940 There's a legal

00:31:06.900 requirement for police

00:31:08.400 to tell you

00:31:09.080 you're under threat.

00:31:10.220 And I'm not sure

00:31:11.700 how broadly

00:31:12.860 we want to make that,

00:31:13.720 but I would think

00:31:14.420 that if a major

00:31:15.760 superpower

00:31:16.540 is threatening you,

00:31:18.000 is spying on you,

00:31:18.920 is mounting

00:31:19.900 a campaign

00:31:20.560 against you,

00:31:21.840 there better be

00:31:23.360 a bloody good reason

00:31:24.140 you didn't tell the guy.

00:31:25.440 But I think in this case

00:31:26.340 it's obvious

00:31:26.780 what the reason is

00:31:27.620 because Justin Trudeau

00:31:29.580 was the beneficiary

00:31:31.140 of all this.

00:31:32.900 That's why

00:31:33.780 these opposition MPs,

00:31:35.200 that's why

00:31:35.600 Kenny Chu

00:31:36.840 and Michael Chong

00:31:37.540 were not told,

00:31:39.240 because Justin Trudeau

00:31:40.360 was the beneficiary.

00:31:41.200 He was the one

00:31:41.820 cashing the checks

00:31:43.220 at the Trudeau Foundation.

00:31:44.660 He was the one

00:31:45.560 that was bending

00:31:47.500 our policy

00:31:48.280 to favor Beijing.

00:31:49.920 And of course

00:31:51.020 he's not going

00:31:51.660 to ring the alarm

00:31:52.380 because he was

00:31:53.820 the guy

00:31:54.980 who was profiting

00:31:56.320 from this.

00:31:57.440 Justin Trudeau

00:31:58.140 has corrupted

00:31:58.800 our national security

00:32:00.120 system for the purpose

00:32:01.600 of votes.

00:32:02.140 How could it be

00:32:02.900 more obvious?

00:32:04.540 Well,

00:32:05.200 and Michael Chong

00:32:06.420 went through this

00:32:07.520 horrific scenario

00:32:09.600 that I had never

00:32:10.480 thought of.

00:32:11.480 Over the last

00:32:12.640 three days

00:32:13.500 of testimony

00:32:14.180 we've heard

00:32:15.160 just how

00:32:15.940 loosey-goosey

00:32:17.020 the liberal

00:32:17.920 nomination process

00:32:19.100 is.

00:32:19.620 Right.

00:32:20.800 For example,

00:32:22.840 in Handong's

00:32:23.800 riding,

00:32:24.800 a bus

00:32:25.320 of foreign

00:32:26.440 national

00:32:27.320 Mandarin-speaking

00:32:28.900 high school

00:32:30.080 students

00:32:30.820 from a school

00:32:32.020 outside of his

00:32:33.040 riding

00:32:33.520 were bussed

00:32:34.840 in to magically

00:32:35.880 vote for him

00:32:36.660 and he doesn't

00:32:37.140 really know

00:32:37.520 how the bus

00:32:38.040 was organized.

00:32:38.600 and that's

00:32:40.960 just how

00:32:41.620 easy it can be

00:32:42.660 that all you

00:32:44.120 have to do

00:32:44.580 is say

00:32:44.940 I'm a member

00:32:45.980 of the liberal

00:32:46.520 party

00:32:46.980 and then you

00:32:48.560 can vote.

00:32:49.000 There's no

00:32:49.740 bar for entry

00:32:51.660 like with other

00:32:52.740 parties where you

00:32:53.560 have to pony up

00:32:54.360 some dough

00:32:54.860 and prove who

00:32:55.580 you are.

00:32:56.140 You don't have

00:32:56.800 to do that

00:32:57.340 for the liberals.

00:32:58.220 I was reminded

00:32:58.980 recently

00:32:59.580 that I,

00:33:01.960 my wife,

00:33:02.440 that there is

00:33:03.180 a bus

00:33:03.740 with students

00:33:05.080 coming to vote.

00:33:06.060 And so Michael

00:33:06.740 Chong

00:33:07.280 goes through

00:33:08.560 this doomsday

00:33:09.600 scenario

00:33:10.300 where

00:33:11.500 if you

00:33:12.760 flooded

00:33:13.380 the leadership

00:33:15.360 of the party

00:33:17.460 with these

00:33:18.740 paper voters

00:33:20.340 from God

00:33:21.300 knows where

00:33:22.000 you could get

00:33:23.240 yourself a

00:33:24.220 prime minister

00:33:25.080 who is selected

00:33:26.940 by the PRC.

00:33:27.900 Mr. Chong

00:33:28.380 just a couple

00:33:29.320 of questions.

00:33:31.260 At paragraph

00:33:32.320 20 of your

00:33:33.080 interview summary

00:33:33.760 we don't need

00:33:34.440 to go there

00:33:35.060 but you recall

00:33:36.400 that

00:33:36.800 you said

00:33:38.060 that nomination

00:33:38.760 rules are

00:33:39.520 vulnerable to

00:33:40.200 foreign interference.

00:33:41.000 Is that right?

00:33:41.860 That's correct.

00:33:43.400 And the commission

00:33:43.880 has heard evidence

00:33:44.760 that rules

00:33:45.860 for nomination

00:33:46.460 contests

00:33:47.060 are similar

00:33:48.040 to those

00:33:48.560 for leadership

00:33:49.080 contests

00:33:49.840 because if you're

00:33:50.960 a registered

00:33:51.320 member

00:33:51.760 you can vote

00:33:53.220 in a leadership

00:33:53.700 contest

00:33:54.140 and I wondered

00:33:54.860 if you

00:33:55.440 the concerns

00:33:56.820 that you have

00:33:57.260 about nomination

00:33:57.960 contests

00:33:58.540 would also

00:33:58.980 apply to

00:33:59.360 leadership

00:33:59.620 contests.

00:34:00.560 Yes,

00:34:00.800 the concerns

00:34:01.220 I have

00:34:01.540 about nomination

00:34:02.180 contests

00:34:02.700 apply to

00:34:03.160 leadership

00:34:03.420 contests.

00:34:03.920 In fact,

00:34:04.320 my concern

00:34:04.900 about leadership

00:34:06.060 contests

00:34:06.620 are even

00:34:06.980 greater than

00:34:07.720 my concern

00:34:08.300 about nomination

00:34:09.020 contests

00:34:10.220 and here's

00:34:10.640 why.

00:34:13.740 The nomination

00:34:14.820 contest is not

00:34:15.880 the end of the

00:34:16.840 matter.

00:34:17.120 when a person

00:34:18.540 is elected

00:34:19.740 or selected

00:34:21.620 as the

00:34:23.320 candidate

00:34:23.660 for a

00:34:24.880 registered

00:34:25.420 political

00:34:25.840 party

00:34:26.320 there is

00:34:27.800 then a

00:34:28.220 subsequent

00:34:28.620 very important

00:34:29.740 step

00:34:30.160 which is

00:34:30.940 the election

00:34:31.840 or by

00:34:32.700 election

00:34:33.080 to elect

00:34:34.640 that individual

00:34:35.380 to the

00:34:35.940 House of

00:34:36.240 Commons.

00:34:37.440 No such

00:34:38.160 second step

00:34:39.180 exists

00:34:40.060 for the

00:34:41.720 election

00:34:42.100 of a

00:34:42.760 party

00:34:43.160 leader

00:34:43.720 and so

00:34:45.180 if the

00:34:45.420 vulnerabilities

00:34:45.860 that have

00:34:46.520 been exposed

00:34:47.240 in testimony

00:34:47.980 today and

00:34:48.920 yesterday

00:34:49.320 are in

00:34:51.080 place for

00:34:51.720 the election

00:34:52.240 of a

00:34:52.920 leader of

00:34:53.240 a party

00:34:53.680 particularly

00:34:54.680 of a

00:34:55.240 party

00:34:55.580 that has

00:34:56.500 the majority

00:34:57.000 of seats

00:34:57.640 or commands

00:34:58.540 the majority

00:34:59.220 of support

00:35:00.220 in the

00:35:00.440 House of

00:35:00.720 Commons

00:35:01.140 we are

00:35:01.960 heads of

00:35:05.060 government

00:35:05.420 in this

00:35:05.900 country

00:35:06.280 including

00:35:07.080 prime ministers

00:35:07.680 and premiers

00:35:08.280 to this

00:35:09.380 foreign

00:35:09.640 interference.

00:35:10.740 I think

00:35:11.180 of my

00:35:11.480 late

00:35:11.800 colleague

00:35:12.360 the

00:35:12.800 Honorable

00:35:13.080 Jim Prentice

00:35:13.900 when Jim

00:35:14.900 Prentice

00:35:15.300 was appointed

00:35:15.800 premier

00:35:16.220 of the

00:35:16.620 province

00:35:16.960 of

00:35:17.120 Alberta

00:35:17.460 he was

00:35:19.040 a private

00:35:19.480 citizen

00:35:19.940 he was

00:35:20.460 no different

00:35:20.920 than anybody

00:35:21.440 walking down

00:35:22.240 Wellington

00:35:22.600 Street

00:35:22.960 today

00:35:23.380 who was

00:35:24.160 appointed

00:35:24.440 by the

00:35:24.800 lieutenant

00:35:25.080 governor

00:35:25.440 of the

00:35:25.880 province

00:35:26.200 of Alberta

00:35:26.620 to be

00:35:27.060 full

00:35:27.360 premier

00:35:27.700 of that

00:35:28.140 province

00:35:28.520 he did

00:35:29.180 not have

00:35:29.520 a seat

00:35:29.880 in the

00:35:30.160 legislative

00:35:30.480 assembly

00:35:30.920 of the

00:35:31.680 province

00:35:31.980 of Alberta

00:35:32.380 he had

00:35:32.760 simply

00:35:33.180 been

00:35:33.920 elected

00:35:34.440 as

00:35:35.380 leader

00:35:35.660 of the

00:35:36.020 Alberta

00:35:36.280 PC

00:35:36.640 party

00:35:37.080 and

00:35:37.920 what has

00:35:38.460 happened

00:35:38.800 in recent

00:35:39.220 decades

00:35:39.620 both at

00:35:40.220 the

00:35:40.320 provincial

00:35:40.600 and the

00:35:41.060 federal

00:35:41.260 level

00:35:41.600 is that

00:35:42.220 party

00:35:42.840 caucuses

00:35:43.400 have

00:35:43.560 deferred

00:35:44.160 the

00:35:44.700 election

00:35:45.440 the

00:35:45.900 selection

00:35:46.380 of

00:35:47.520 party

00:35:48.540 leaders

00:35:48.900 to

00:35:49.280 the

00:35:49.540 registered

00:35:49.860 political

00:35:50.260 parties

00:35:50.780 and so

00:35:51.680 we could

00:35:52.040 have a

00:35:52.340 situation

00:35:52.800 here in

00:35:53.220 Canada

00:35:53.480 where

00:35:53.740 a

00:35:53.900 prime

00:35:54.040 minister

00:35:54.380 resigns

00:35:55.380 from

00:35:55.820 office

00:35:56.280 the

00:35:57.260 registered

00:35:57.760 political

00:35:58.160 party

00:35:58.460 conducts

00:35:59.140 an

00:35:59.320 election

00:35:59.700 for

00:36:00.780 the

00:36:01.200 leader

00:36:01.500 that

00:36:02.500 election

00:36:02.960 if

00:36:03.480 subject

00:36:03.860 to

00:36:04.140 the

00:36:04.540 same

00:36:04.780 kind

00:36:05.000 of

00:36:05.140 rules

00:36:05.420 that

00:36:05.700 some

00:36:06.100 of the

00:36:06.280 parties

00:36:06.540 have

00:36:06.680 outlined

00:36:07.040 here

00:36:07.320 today

00:36:07.660 and

00:36:08.380 yesterday

00:36:08.740 at

00:36:08.940 the

00:36:09.060 commission

00:36:09.420 would

00:36:10.380 result

00:36:10.720 in

00:36:10.860 the

00:36:10.960 appointment

00:36:11.340 of

00:36:11.900 a

00:36:12.340 prime

00:36:12.520 minister

00:36:12.900 who

00:36:14.140 does

00:36:14.380 not

00:36:14.540 have

00:36:14.660 a

00:36:14.780 seat

00:36:14.940 in

00:36:15.040 the

00:36:15.080 House

00:36:15.200 of

00:36:15.320 Commons

00:36:15.600 and

00:36:15.860 who

00:36:16.160 was

00:36:16.720 elected

00:36:17.000 through

00:36:17.220 a

00:36:17.360 process

00:36:17.680 that

00:36:17.900 was

00:36:18.040 significantly

00:36:18.540 compromised

00:36:19.100 by

00:36:19.580 non-citizens

00:36:20.440 and by

00:36:21.340 foreign

00:36:21.640 state

00:36:21.940 actors

00:36:22.320 and so

00:36:22.760 that's

00:36:23.480 why

00:36:23.680 I think

00:36:24.260 that's

00:36:25.860 why

00:36:26.020 I'm

00:36:26.240 very

00:36:26.460 concerned

00:36:26.940 not

00:36:27.280 just

00:36:27.520 about

00:36:27.920 some

00:36:28.900 of

00:36:29.080 the

00:36:29.440 evidence

00:36:30.280 that

00:36:30.540 we've

00:36:30.760 heard

00:36:30.960 here

00:36:31.200 in

00:36:31.340 front

00:36:31.480 of

00:36:31.580 the

00:36:31.720 commission

00:36:32.040 with

00:36:32.280 respect

00:36:32.580 to

00:36:32.740 party

00:36:32.920 nominations

00:36:33.420 but

00:36:34.200 also

00:36:34.640 how

00:36:35.400 it

00:36:35.580 relates

00:36:36.020 to

00:36:36.500 the

00:36:37.640 appointment

00:36:38.020 of

00:36:38.420 heads

00:36:38.600 of

00:36:38.760 government

00:36:39.060 particularly

00:36:39.780 the

00:36:41.180 appointment

00:36:41.520 of a

00:36:41.960 prime

00:36:42.140 minister

00:36:42.420 by the

00:36:42.760 governor

00:36:42.940 general

00:36:43.380 that is

00:36:44.040 absolutely

00:36:44.500 terrifying

00:36:45.000 I never

00:36:45.460 thought

00:36:45.840 of that

00:36:46.340 yeah

00:36:47.080 if

00:36:47.600 Han Dong

00:36:48.120 can bring

00:36:48.600 in a

00:36:49.000 school

00:36:49.340 bus

00:36:49.800 of

00:36:50.300 non-citizen

00:36:51.720 Chinese

00:36:52.260 nationals

00:36:52.820 who don't

00:36:53.380 even speak

00:36:53.860 English

00:36:54.240 they come

00:36:54.940 in by

00:36:55.220 bus

00:36:55.500 and

00:36:55.680 ta-da

00:36:56.060 they vote

00:36:56.780 for him

00:36:57.120 and he's

00:36:57.460 the liberal

00:36:57.800 candidate

00:36:58.240 and in

00:36:58.980 certain

00:36:59.220 writings

00:36:59.540 you're

00:36:59.720 the liberal

00:37:00.020 candidate

00:37:00.360 you're

00:37:00.640 the MP

00:37:01.120 I mean

00:37:01.920 but

00:37:02.120 Michael

00:37:02.420 Chong

00:37:02.640 says

00:37:02.840 there is

00:37:03.160 that

00:37:03.360 last

00:37:03.720 check

00:37:03.980 and

00:37:04.140 balance

00:37:04.480 it's

00:37:05.120 not

00:37:05.260 much

00:37:05.420 of a

00:37:05.580 check

00:37:05.740 and

00:37:05.840 balance

00:37:06.060 in

00:37:06.240 certain

00:37:06.420 writings

00:37:06.680 where the

00:37:06.920 liberals

00:37:07.120 are a

00:37:07.380 shoe

00:37:07.580 in

00:37:07.760 but

00:37:08.320 you

00:37:09.380 could

00:37:09.800 choose

00:37:10.720 the

00:37:10.920 prime

00:37:11.180 minister

00:37:11.480 of a

00:37:11.800 country

00:37:12.100 that way

00:37:12.700 and of

00:37:13.640 course

00:37:13.780 Justin

00:37:14.100 Trudeau

00:37:14.480 has

00:37:15.020 brought

00:37:15.380 in

00:37:15.740 I think

00:37:16.460 there's

00:37:16.660 900,000

00:37:18.240 foreign

00:37:18.780 students

00:37:19.560 in

00:37:20.260 Canada

00:37:20.700 that Trudeau

00:37:21.920 brought in

00:37:22.360 last year

00:37:22.920 alone

00:37:23.360 600,000

00:37:24.940 temporary

00:37:25.400 foreign

00:37:25.800 workers

00:37:26.040 like right

00:37:26.420 there

00:37:26.560 that's

00:37:26.760 1.5

00:37:27.520 million

00:37:28.140 non-citizens

00:37:30.860 and

00:37:32.480 and I'm

00:37:33.140 not saying

00:37:33.540 you could

00:37:33.820 organize

00:37:34.300 them

00:37:34.500 all

00:37:34.620 but

00:37:34.800 maybe

00:37:35.320 you

00:37:35.480 could

00:37:35.600 get

00:37:35.740 100,000

00:37:36.440 of them

00:37:36.860 and

00:37:38.000 absolutely

00:37:39.880 that would

00:37:40.500 be enough

00:37:40.900 to win

00:37:41.320 any

00:37:41.700 nomination

00:37:43.160 or at least

00:37:43.900 to dominate

00:37:44.980 you could

00:37:46.620 choose

00:37:47.240 I mean

00:37:47.500 the movie

00:37:47.880 The Manchurian

00:37:48.680 Candidate

00:37:49.360 was about

00:37:50.120 an ethnic

00:37:51.100 American

00:37:51.600 like a

00:37:52.020 born in

00:37:52.920 America

00:37:53.360 American

00:37:53.960 who was

00:37:54.860 hypnotized

00:37:55.860 to be

00:37:56.520 some foreign

00:37:57.240 operative

00:37:57.980 here

00:37:59.560 you just

00:38:00.480 choose

00:38:01.360 someone

00:38:01.840 and install

00:38:02.780 them

00:38:03.040 that is

00:38:03.880 incredible

00:38:04.340 and there's

00:38:04.840 no flaw

00:38:05.360 in the

00:38:05.580 logic

00:38:05.880 described

00:38:06.340 by

00:38:06.680 Michael

00:38:07.640 Chong

00:38:07.920 there

00:38:08.080 that

00:38:08.260 absolutely

00:38:09.020 could

00:38:09.460 happen

00:38:09.940 absolutely

00:38:10.760 yeah

00:38:12.200 I mean

00:38:12.520 we saw

00:38:13.040 it happen

00:38:13.540 in

00:38:13.760 Handong's

00:38:14.300 writing

00:38:14.620 the students

00:38:15.680 were bussed

00:38:16.380 in from

00:38:16.940 outside of

00:38:17.640 his writing

00:38:18.180 he campaigned

00:38:19.660 at a

00:38:20.000 high school

00:38:20.860 for international

00:38:22.280 students

00:38:23.080 outside of

00:38:24.180 his writing

00:38:24.740 and nobody

00:38:25.640 thought that

00:38:26.220 was weird

00:38:26.860 whatsoever

00:38:27.400 and then

00:38:28.000 a bus

00:38:28.520 of them

00:38:29.060 magically

00:38:29.580 appears

00:38:30.320 on nomination

00:38:31.500 day

00:38:31.920 and he

00:38:32.760 ends up

00:38:33.140 being nominated

00:38:33.880 and nobody

00:38:34.580 thinks it's

00:38:35.140 weird

00:38:35.440 whatsoever

00:38:35.960 in fact

00:38:37.160 we've got

00:38:38.140 testimony

00:38:38.660 from the

00:38:39.700 RCMP

00:38:40.160 commissioner

00:38:40.720 and deputy

00:38:41.640 commissioner

00:38:42.240 saying that

00:38:43.600 they had

00:38:44.060 no complaints

00:38:45.060 no investigations

00:38:46.760 opened into

00:38:48.080 Handong's

00:38:48.880 nomination at

00:38:49.780 all

00:38:50.100 at the time

00:38:51.420 that it

00:38:51.720 occurred

00:38:52.020 I think we

00:38:52.520 have that

00:38:52.880 clip

00:38:53.140 I don't

00:38:54.280 recall having

00:38:55.180 anything in

00:38:55.680 writing or

00:38:56.340 discussing

00:38:56.860 but like

00:38:57.500 I said

00:38:57.780 there's so

00:38:58.200 many

00:38:58.360 discussions

00:38:58.780 that took

00:38:59.080 place at

00:38:59.580 the various

00:39:00.100 deputy

00:39:00.420 minister

00:39:00.840 meeting

00:39:01.380 either

00:39:02.020 deputy

00:39:02.500 minister

00:39:02.880 operation

00:39:03.560 committee

00:39:04.020 another

00:39:05.560 there's

00:39:05.980 a couple

00:39:06.180 of the

00:39:06.400 DM

00:39:06.640 meetings

00:39:07.260 so I'm

00:39:08.120 not

00:39:08.380 I'm not

00:39:09.340 quite sure

00:39:09.700 if I did

00:39:10.140 get that

00:39:10.460 information

00:39:10.900 and

00:39:12.340 and during

00:39:13.120 and during

00:39:13.140 GE 43

00:39:14.020 or 44

00:39:14.720 commissioner

00:39:15.220 were you

00:39:15.520 made aware

00:39:16.120 of allegations

00:39:16.960 of reported

00:39:17.940 quote

00:39:18.820 vote buying

00:39:20.200 and quote

00:39:20.820 in Richmond

00:39:21.440 British Columbia

00:39:22.340 no because

00:39:24.900 I believe

00:39:25.720 that that

00:39:26.500 could have

00:39:26.800 been the

00:39:27.080 municipal

00:39:27.400 matter

00:39:27.780 which didn't

00:39:28.460 tie into

00:39:29.000 our national

00:39:29.380 security

00:39:29.820 framework

00:39:30.240 that we

00:39:30.600 have

00:39:30.840 okay

00:39:31.880 and same

00:39:33.620 time frame

00:39:34.140 GE 43

00:39:34.780 or 44

00:39:35.940 were you

00:39:36.860 made aware

00:39:37.340 of any

00:39:37.920 information

00:39:38.700 in relation

00:39:39.680 to Mr.

00:39:40.620 Dong and

00:39:41.180 alleged

00:39:41.560 PRC

00:39:42.180 foreign

00:39:42.820 interference

00:39:43.900 in the

00:39:44.620 Don Valley

00:39:45.140 North

00:39:45.580 no not

00:39:46.360 to my

00:39:46.620 recollection

00:39:47.180 during

00:39:50.100 GE 44

00:39:51.060 commissioner

00:39:51.640 were you

00:39:51.960 made aware

00:39:52.540 of any

00:39:53.140 information

00:39:53.860 about

00:39:54.560 alleged

00:39:55.240 PRC

00:39:55.960 foreign

00:39:56.460 interference

00:39:57.100 in the

00:39:58.180 2021

00:39:58.660 election

00:39:59.320 I'm not

00:40:01.280 100%

00:40:01.720 sure if

00:40:02.120 it's

00:40:02.320 during

00:40:02.620 the

00:40:02.780 election

00:40:03.060 like I

00:40:03.500 said

00:40:03.700 building

00:40:04.160 up the

00:40:04.520 elections

00:40:04.900 with the

00:40:05.500 DM

00:40:05.760 meetings

00:40:06.080 that we've

00:40:06.420 had

00:40:06.580 sometimes

00:40:06.940 there's

00:40:07.300 some

00:40:07.480 briefings

00:40:08.000 some

00:40:08.200 situational

00:40:08.740 awareness

00:40:09.040 briefings

00:40:09.660 that were

00:40:09.860 being

00:40:10.020 provided

00:40:10.440 but during

00:40:11.500 the election

00:40:11.840 period

00:40:12.100 I'm not

00:40:12.920 100%

00:40:13.360 sure

00:40:13.560 that's

00:40:14.420 the

00:40:14.620 commissioner

00:40:15.100 and deputy

00:40:15.840 commissioner

00:40:16.340 of the

00:40:16.780 RCMP

00:40:17.220 and they're

00:40:17.940 wearing their

00:40:18.360 uniforms

00:40:18.860 and they're

00:40:19.320 so proud

00:40:19.940 and they're

00:40:20.360 loyal soldiers

00:40:21.880 and they just

00:40:22.640 couldn't

00:40:23.760 care less

00:40:24.660 they just

00:40:25.380 you know what

00:40:26.420 I want to

00:40:27.060 tell you

00:40:27.400 Sheila

00:40:27.640 that in

00:40:29.240 2019

00:40:30.000 I wrote a

00:40:32.640 book called

00:40:33.120 The Libranos

00:40:34.120 and the cover

00:40:35.040 of that book

00:40:35.900 is a

00:40:36.600 sort of an

00:40:37.420 homage to the

00:40:38.220 TV show

00:40:38.700 The Sopranos

00:40:40.260 anyone over

00:40:41.220 40

00:40:41.680 or certainly

00:40:42.680 over 50

00:40:43.260 knows that

00:40:43.800 show

00:40:44.160 it was

00:40:45.540 just a

00:40:45.800 joke

00:40:46.120 like a

00:40:46.820 cover

00:40:47.140 but it

00:40:47.600 was a

00:40:47.760 real

00:40:47.920 book

00:40:48.340 and

00:40:49.240 that so

00:40:50.540 infuriated

00:40:51.880 Elections

00:40:52.980 Canada

00:40:53.400 that they

00:40:54.360 hired two

00:40:55.200 30 year

00:40:55.900 veterans of

00:40:56.480 the RCMP

00:40:57.180 to investigate

00:40:58.340 me

00:40:58.720 to interrogate

00:40:59.600 me

00:40:59.960 to spend

00:41:02.280 I mean

00:41:02.560 they're still

00:41:03.280 fighting me

00:41:03.700 in court

00:41:04.000 it's been

00:41:04.320 almost five

00:41:05.120 years

00:41:05.480 so my

00:41:06.700 little book

00:41:07.460 because it

00:41:08.040 embarrassed

00:41:08.620 Justin Trudeau

00:41:09.900 has been

00:41:10.720 the target

00:41:11.280 of a

00:41:11.680 five-year

00:41:12.180 action

00:41:12.700 investigation

00:41:13.560 prosecution

00:41:14.620 there is

00:41:18.160 no doubt

00:41:18.820 in my

00:41:19.220 mind

00:41:19.500 that the

00:41:19.780 evidence

00:41:20.120 shows

00:41:20.640 that

00:41:21.300 Han Dong

00:41:22.040 stole his

00:41:22.920 riding with

00:41:23.500 foreign votes

00:41:24.240 stole him

00:41:24.800 and I'm

00:41:26.420 sure it's

00:41:26.840 true with

00:41:27.100 Kenny Chu

00:41:27.580 and I'm

00:41:28.300 sure it's

00:41:28.700 true with

00:41:29.020 the other

00:41:29.340 half dozen

00:41:29.840 ridings of

00:41:30.320 Michael

00:41:30.540 Chong and

00:41:30.900 I've seen

00:41:32.300 enough evidence

00:41:32.960 to be

00:41:33.400 certain in

00:41:33.940 my bones

00:41:34.500 but those

00:41:35.900 keystone

00:41:36.560 well I

00:41:37.340 don't know

00:41:37.920 yeah you

00:41:38.560 know what's

00:41:38.880 important

00:41:39.260 because the

00:41:40.140 boss told

00:41:40.940 them because

00:41:41.400 the RCMP

00:41:42.400 is truly

00:41:43.240 Trudeau's

00:41:44.380 Mounties

00:41:44.840 they're

00:41:45.320 partisan

00:41:45.940 and me

00:41:47.060 with my

00:41:47.460 goofy little

00:41:48.060 book has

00:41:49.460 a four

00:41:49.880 five-year

00:41:50.420 prosecution

00:41:51.200 there's no

00:41:52.460 way they've

00:41:52.780 spent less

00:41:53.200 than a million

00:41:53.640 dollars hunting

00:41:54.360 me these

00:41:55.120 last five

00:41:55.660 years

00:41:55.960 and what

00:41:57.120 am I

00:41:57.360 I'm just

00:41:57.620 some guy

00:41:58.160 I'm just

00:41:58.480 some blabber

00:41:59.140 mouth

00:41:59.440 I didn't

00:42:00.280 steal a

00:42:01.320 seat in

00:42:02.340 the House

00:42:02.660 of Commons

00:42:03.100 for a

00:42:03.560 foreign

00:42:03.860 regime

00:42:04.360 that is

00:42:05.300 so appalling

00:42:06.320 to me

00:42:06.820 do you know

00:42:07.820 Ezra I'm

00:42:08.260 real glad

00:42:08.740 you brought

00:42:09.140 that up

00:42:09.520 because that

00:42:09.960 was one

00:42:10.300 thing that

00:42:10.700 came up

00:42:11.120 in commission

00:42:11.600 testimony

00:42:12.360 last week

00:42:14.340 before the

00:42:15.360 Easter break

00:42:15.980 and it

00:42:17.080 came up

00:42:17.500 under

00:42:17.780 questioning

00:42:18.240 by the

00:42:18.960 Conservative

00:42:19.280 Party of

00:42:19.740 Canada's

00:42:20.160 lawyer

00:42:20.320 and I

00:42:20.860 was watching

00:42:21.360 intently

00:42:21.820 because I

00:42:22.380 find him

00:42:22.840 very

00:42:23.140 entertaining

00:42:23.600 and a

00:42:25.960 trap was

00:42:26.420 being set

00:42:26.960 and I

00:42:27.180 didn't

00:42:27.420 realize it

00:42:27.900 was being

00:42:28.300 set

00:42:28.680 and it

00:42:29.540 was

00:42:30.080 top

00:42:31.000 elections

00:42:31.660 bureaucrats

00:42:32.560 the top

00:42:33.140 three

00:42:33.660 in the

00:42:34.540 country

00:42:34.900 from the

00:42:35.460 three

00:42:35.720 different

00:42:36.160 election

00:42:36.700 bureaucracies

00:42:37.620 were all

00:42:38.120 being examined

00:42:39.580 by the

00:42:40.140 Conservative Party

00:42:40.780 of Canada's

00:42:41.320 lawyer

00:42:41.520 so he

00:42:42.520 is asking

00:42:43.460 them

00:42:43.900 you know

00:42:44.300 how much

00:42:44.720 time did

00:42:45.480 you spend

00:42:45.880 on this

00:42:46.660 investigation

00:42:47.380 into a

00:42:47.960 complaint

00:42:48.300 in Jenny

00:42:48.840 Kwan's

00:42:49.260 writing

00:42:49.560 oh you know

00:42:50.720 two investigators

00:42:51.720 in 90 days

00:42:52.680 wrapped up

00:42:53.280 tight and tidy

00:42:53.880 how much

00:42:55.160 time did

00:42:55.620 you spend

00:42:55.940 investigating

00:42:56.520 what happened

00:42:57.280 in Kenny

00:42:57.660 Chu's

00:42:58.000 writing

00:42:58.240 you know

00:42:58.700 a couple

00:42:59.700 of months

00:43:00.100 two investigators

00:43:01.320 they work

00:43:02.060 in pairs

00:43:02.520 as we

00:43:03.080 found out

00:43:03.620 and you

00:43:04.940 know

00:43:05.060 he goes

00:43:05.860 through

00:43:06.040 and he's

00:43:06.300 asking them

00:43:06.980 about all

00:43:07.820 these investigations

00:43:08.720 that they

00:43:09.240 wrapped up

00:43:09.980 really quickly

00:43:10.860 with two

00:43:11.380 investigators

00:43:12.040 and found

00:43:13.040 zero election

00:43:14.240 violations

00:43:15.020 whatsoever

00:43:15.660 but

00:43:17.340 then the

00:43:18.600 lawyer asked

00:43:19.220 about your

00:43:19.620 book

00:43:19.900 and how

00:43:21.520 many investigators

00:43:22.420 they put

00:43:22.940 on your

00:43:23.320 book

00:43:23.600 and how

00:43:24.540 many years

00:43:25.580 of investigation

00:43:26.720 they did

00:43:27.860 on your

00:43:28.200 book

00:43:28.480 and how

00:43:29.380 many

00:43:29.640 judicial

00:43:30.160 reviews

00:43:30.640 and appeals

00:43:31.720 that your

00:43:32.200 book was

00:43:32.560 subjected

00:43:32.980 to to

00:43:33.500 get what

00:43:34.080 you know

00:43:34.680 a thousand

00:43:35.400 or so

00:43:35.840 bucks

00:43:36.260 in fines

00:43:37.400 it just

00:43:38.860 showed

00:43:39.400 their focus

00:43:40.320 and at

00:43:40.820 one point

00:43:41.380 a top

00:43:41.800 elections

00:43:42.260 bureaucrat

00:43:42.940 said

00:43:43.260 we don't

00:43:44.680 have to

00:43:45.220 investigate

00:43:45.880 all the

00:43:46.980 complaints

00:43:47.500 that we

00:43:48.500 get

00:43:49.000 and we

00:43:50.000 don't

00:43:50.420 have to

00:43:51.500 investigate

00:43:52.680 them all

00:43:53.020 because we

00:43:53.360 don't always

00:43:53.800 have all

00:43:54.160 the resources

00:43:54.760 that they

00:43:55.340 need

00:43:55.600 but they

00:43:56.300 spared

00:43:56.700 no expense

00:43:57.600 going after

00:43:58.200 you and

00:43:58.740 your book

00:43:59.200 while China

00:44:00.260 was running

00:44:00.840 amok

00:44:01.200 during the

00:44:01.760 election

00:44:02.140 were you

00:44:03.000 also the

00:44:03.620 commissioner

00:44:04.120 or were you

00:44:04.860 the commissioner

00:44:05.320 of Canada

00:44:05.820 elections

00:44:06.280 when

00:44:07.120 OCCE

00:44:08.900 launched an

00:44:10.180 investigation

00:44:10.640 into certain

00:44:11.420 activities

00:44:11.980 carried out

00:44:12.560 by rebel

00:44:13.020 news in

00:44:13.600 connection

00:44:13.980 with the

00:44:14.640 43rd

00:44:15.340 general

00:44:15.720 election

00:44:16.220 I believe

00:44:21.080 it was

00:44:21.980 the election

00:44:23.680 was called

00:44:24.220 on September

00:44:24.740 11

00:44:25.140 2019

00:44:26.000 and was

00:44:26.700 held on

00:44:27.140 October

00:44:27.420 21

00:44:27.900 2019

00:44:28.800 I believe

00:44:29.400 the

00:44:29.620 complaint

00:44:30.100 emanated

00:44:30.840 with respect

00:44:31.920 to

00:44:32.200 activities

00:44:32.780 that

00:44:33.200 commenced

00:44:33.780 just

00:44:34.120 before

00:44:34.700 September

00:44:36.320 11

00:44:36.720 I can certainly

00:44:39.660 confirm that

00:44:40.400 at that time

00:44:41.200 I was the

00:44:41.620 commissioner

00:44:42.000 in place

00:44:43.160 perhaps

00:44:43.920 refresh your

00:44:45.260 memory

00:44:45.580 rebel news

00:44:46.340 is an

00:44:47.660 organization

00:44:48.140 associated

00:44:48.940 with the

00:44:49.440 individual

00:44:49.940 whose name

00:44:50.940 is

00:44:51.080 Azra Levant

00:44:51.700 is the

00:44:53.640 ringing

00:44:53.800 a bell

00:44:54.120 okay

00:44:55.580 and

00:44:56.780 yes

00:44:57.900 am I

00:44:59.220 correct

00:44:59.680 that there

00:45:00.280 was an

00:45:00.580 investigation

00:45:01.060 that led

00:45:02.040 to the

00:45:02.340 deputy

00:45:02.620 commissioner

00:45:03.280 issuing

00:45:04.400 two notices

00:45:05.060 of violation

00:45:05.800 against

00:45:06.420 rebel news

00:45:07.500 and issuing

00:45:08.060 an administrative

00:45:08.800 monetary

00:45:09.420 penalty

00:45:09.900 in the

00:45:10.820 amount

00:45:11.200 of

00:45:11.720 $1,500

00:45:12.640 for each

00:45:13.740 penalty

00:45:14.120 does that

00:45:14.880 sound

00:45:15.040 familiar

00:45:15.440 answer

00:45:17.500 two

00:45:17.800 comments

00:45:18.240 first of

00:45:18.680 all

00:45:18.860 the

00:45:19.920 link

00:45:20.620 with

00:45:21.160 foreign

00:45:21.480 interference

00:45:22.040 is not

00:45:22.720 coming to

00:45:23.200 me

00:45:23.380 for the

00:45:23.660 time

00:45:23.880 being

00:45:24.220 what

00:45:25.400 you're

00:45:25.580 saying

00:45:25.900 about

00:45:26.320 this

00:45:26.580 case

00:45:26.980 I don't

00:45:27.840 see

00:45:28.040 foreign

00:45:28.360 interference

00:45:28.880 at all

00:45:29.900 in the

00:45:30.140 picture

00:45:30.420 that said

00:45:31.540 yes

00:45:32.940 there was

00:45:33.360 an

00:45:34.080 amp

00:45:34.880 that was

00:45:35.220 issued

00:45:35.560 against

00:45:36.320 rebel

00:45:36.760 news

00:45:37.020 or

00:45:37.180 two

00:45:37.420 rebel

00:45:37.660 news

00:45:38.060 for

00:45:38.380 okay

00:45:38.940 and

00:45:39.520 am I

00:45:40.060 correct

00:45:40.520 Mr.

00:45:41.140 Cote

00:45:41.420 that

00:45:41.660 you

00:45:41.860 were

00:45:42.000 asked

00:45:43.080 to

00:45:43.300 review

00:45:43.560 the

00:45:43.740 deputy

00:45:44.020 commissioner

00:45:44.500 's

00:45:44.680 decision

00:45:45.060 and you

00:45:45.400 did

00:45:45.620 so

00:45:45.820 de

00:45:45.980 no

00:45:46.120 though

00:45:46.340 I

00:45:47.700 continue

00:45:48.260 to

00:45:51.040 mention

00:45:51.320 that

00:45:51.540 to

00:45:51.620 my

00:45:51.800 knowledge

00:45:52.040 there

00:45:52.200 was

00:45:52.320 no

00:45:52.500 foreign

00:45:52.740 interference

00:45:53.260 but

00:45:56.200 yes

00:45:56.600 okay

00:45:57.120 we'll get

00:45:57.440 to

00:45:57.560 that

00:45:57.800 okay

00:45:58.160 and

00:45:58.400 did

00:45:59.200 and am

00:46:01.160 I

00:46:01.300 correct

00:46:01.600 that

00:46:01.820 you

00:46:02.000 ended

00:46:02.240 up

00:46:02.440 agreeing

00:46:02.840 with

00:46:03.060 the

00:46:03.180 deputy

00:46:03.420 commissioner's

00:46:04.220 determinations

00:46:05.360 as

00:46:07.020 I

00:46:07.240 recall

00:46:07.660 I

00:46:08.360 rejected

00:46:09.000 the

00:46:09.280 appeal

00:46:09.620 or

00:46:09.860 the

00:46:10.140 request

00:46:11.420 for

00:46:11.640 reconsideration

00:46:12.560 yes

00:46:12.860 and am

00:46:13.800 I

00:46:13.960 correct

00:46:14.400 that

00:46:15.060 that

00:46:16.060 was

00:46:16.280 in

00:46:16.440 or

00:46:16.560 about

00:46:16.840 July

00:46:17.280 2021

00:46:17.880 I

00:46:22.340 have

00:46:23.260 no

00:46:23.800 specific

00:46:24.240 recollection

00:46:24.900 okay

00:46:25.380 and am

00:46:26.320 I

00:46:26.440 correct

00:46:26.660 that

00:46:26.860 rebel

00:46:27.080 news

00:46:27.320 sought

00:46:27.560 judicial

00:46:28.000 review

00:46:28.480 in the

00:46:29.740 federal

00:46:29.980 court

00:46:30.300 in respect

00:46:30.880 of the

00:46:31.760 NOVs

00:46:32.440 and the

00:46:32.760 AMP

00:46:33.020 that had

00:46:33.440 been

00:46:33.600 issued

00:46:33.940 by the

00:46:34.820 OCCE

00:46:35.620 review

00:46:36.280 that's

00:46:38.660 what I

00:46:38.860 understand

00:46:39.160 yes

00:46:39.480 review

00:46:40.200 application

00:46:40.720 was

00:46:40.980 dismissed

00:46:41.540 and your

00:46:42.800 decision

00:46:43.140 was

00:46:43.320 upheld

00:46:43.720 Mr.

00:46:44.280 Cote

00:46:44.440 correct

00:46:44.840 okay

00:46:46.000 answer

00:46:46.540 yes

00:46:46.840 decision

00:46:47.820 in that

00:46:48.200 case

00:46:48.400 was

00:46:48.560 delivered

00:46:48.980 in or

00:46:49.320 about

00:46:49.580 December

00:46:50.340 2023

00:46:50.940 correct

00:46:51.620 answer

00:46:55.280 I don't

00:46:56.320 think so

00:46:56.760 I think

00:46:57.060 it was

00:46:57.320 a bit

00:46:57.560 earlier

00:46:57.920 but I

00:46:58.400 don't

00:46:58.560 have

00:46:58.760 memory

00:46:59.580 of that

00:47:00.060 become

00:47:00.900 the

00:47:01.220 commissioner

00:47:01.560 yes

00:47:02.600 that's

00:47:02.900 correct

00:47:03.200 okay

00:47:03.540 so

00:47:04.020 am I

00:47:04.240 correct

00:47:04.560 that

00:47:04.760 from

00:47:05.020 the

00:47:05.180 time

00:47:05.420 of

00:47:05.560 receipt

00:47:05.900 of

00:47:06.020 initial

00:47:06.280 complaint

00:47:06.860 in that

00:47:07.480 case

00:47:07.740 in

00:47:07.900 September

00:47:08.240 2019

00:47:09.180 through

00:47:10.300 to

00:47:10.460 investigation

00:47:11.080 through

00:47:11.440 to

00:47:11.640 administrative

00:47:12.300 action

00:47:13.140 internal

00:47:14.040 review

00:47:14.480 and then

00:47:14.960 judicial

00:47:15.340 review

00:47:15.800 and

00:47:16.120 decision

00:47:16.460 we're

00:47:16.720 talking

00:47:17.000 a period

00:47:17.380 of

00:47:17.540 well

00:47:17.720 over

00:47:17.900 four

00:47:18.160 years

00:47:18.560 that

00:47:19.280 OCCE

00:47:19.980 devoted

00:47:20.420 expenses

00:47:20.940 and

00:47:21.180 resources

00:47:21.660 in relation

00:47:22.780 to this

00:47:23.180 one

00:47:23.380 particular

00:47:23.780 instance

00:47:24.220 of

00:47:24.440 contravention

00:47:25.060 of

00:47:25.260 the

00:47:25.360 Elections

00:47:25.700 Act

00:47:26.020 who

00:47:33.440 is

00:47:33.560 the

00:47:33.660 question

00:47:33.940 for

00:47:34.320 between

00:47:35.840 the

00:47:36.080 initial

00:47:36.440 investigation

00:47:37.360 and

00:47:37.780 the

00:47:37.920 ultimate

00:47:38.280 conclusion

00:47:38.980 over

00:47:39.980 four

00:47:40.300 years

00:47:40.720 transpired

00:47:41.600 in which

00:47:42.100 your

00:47:42.540 office

00:47:42.940 had to

00:47:43.320 devote

00:47:43.580 resources

00:47:44.140 and

00:47:44.380 time

00:47:44.720 to

00:47:45.820 both

00:47:46.120 investigate

00:47:46.640 and to

00:47:47.200 see it

00:47:47.500 through

00:47:47.700 to

00:47:47.900 final

00:47:48.180 conclusions

00:47:48.720 isn't

00:47:48.920 that

00:47:49.040 correct

00:47:49.400 answer

00:47:52.140 I don't

00:47:52.500 have

00:47:52.640 the

00:47:52.780 dates

00:47:53.140 here

00:47:54.260 if

00:47:54.620 the

00:47:54.840 dates

00:47:55.180 you're

00:47:55.420 giving

00:47:55.700 are

00:47:55.900 correct

00:47:56.340 then

00:47:57.580 the

00:47:58.020 mathematical

00:47:58.820 calculation

00:47:59.720 would be

00:48:00.300 correct

00:48:00.600 too

00:48:00.780 I presume

00:48:01.200 that

00:48:02.960 while

00:48:03.360 for

00:48:03.760 investigations

00:48:04.460 of

00:48:04.820 breaches

00:48:05.160 of

00:48:05.520 the

00:48:05.640 Elections

00:48:06.040 Act

00:48:06.340 by

00:48:06.540 domestic

00:48:07.040 actors

00:48:07.640 OCCE

00:48:09.200 has

00:48:09.580 allocated

00:48:10.040 far

00:48:10.540 greater

00:48:10.900 resources

00:48:11.480 and

00:48:11.780 spent

00:48:12.020 far

00:48:12.660 more

00:48:12.860 time

00:48:13.160 in

00:48:13.260 its

00:48:13.400 enforcement

00:48:13.820 activities

00:48:14.360 than

00:48:14.540 it

00:48:14.680 has

00:48:14.940 in

00:48:15.060 respect

00:48:15.360 of

00:48:15.580 alleged

00:48:15.840 breaches

00:48:16.280 of

00:48:17.480 the

00:48:17.640 Act

00:48:17.840 by

00:48:18.040 foreign

00:48:18.340 operators

00:48:18.920 answer

00:48:22.800 well

00:48:23.060 you

00:48:23.160 will

00:48:23.320 understand

00:48:23.720 that

00:48:23.940 in

00:48:24.120 abstract

00:48:24.420 it's

00:48:24.780 difficult

00:48:25.120 to answer

00:48:25.600 such

00:48:25.920 questions

00:48:26.380 we

00:48:27.560 would

00:48:27.720 have

00:48:27.900 to

00:48:28.100 reconcile

00:48:28.540 the

00:48:28.920 work

00:48:29.160 that

00:48:29.320 was

00:48:29.520 done

00:48:29.820 during

00:48:31.060 this

00:48:31.360 whole

00:48:31.600 period

00:48:32.020 I

00:48:32.320 came

00:48:32.740 into

00:48:32.960 my

00:48:33.220 position

00:48:33.580 in

00:48:33.900 August

00:48:34.500 2022

00:48:35.180 it's

00:48:35.860 been

00:48:36.020 a bit

00:48:36.260 over

00:48:36.440 a year

00:48:36.820 and a

00:48:37.040 half

00:48:37.340 so

00:48:37.820 we'd

00:48:38.080 have

00:48:38.280 to

00:48:39.160 see

00:48:39.600 to answer

00:48:41.800 you

00:48:42.260 precisely

00:48:43.020 we would

00:48:44.260 have to

00:48:44.820 look at

00:48:45.300 all this

00:48:45.640 information

00:48:46.160 what I

00:48:46.540 can tell

00:48:47.000 you

00:48:47.260 is

00:48:47.720 that

00:48:47.920 since

00:48:48.300 I

00:48:48.860 came

00:48:49.700 in my

00:48:50.020 position

00:48:50.380 in

00:48:50.620 August

00:48:50.860 2022

00:48:51.420 I

00:48:51.880 said

00:48:52.200 so

00:48:52.420 publicly

00:48:52.920 every

00:48:54.200 part

00:48:55.460 was

00:48:55.860 overturned

00:48:57.320 for

00:48:57.920 foreign

00:48:58.480 interference

00:48:58.920 in

00:48:59.120 elections

00:48:59.520 is

00:49:00.080 an

00:49:00.520 issue

00:49:01.140 that

00:49:01.540 I

00:49:01.900 take

00:49:02.160 and

00:49:02.260 my

00:49:02.420 staff

00:49:02.660 takes

00:49:02.920 very

00:49:03.160 seriously

00:49:03.640 I

00:49:04.600 don't

00:49:04.780 know

00:49:04.920 if

00:49:05.040 it

00:49:05.160 was

00:49:05.360 to

00:49:05.560 you

00:49:05.900 or

00:49:06.540 to

00:49:06.760 the

00:49:06.940 previous

00:49:07.360 lawyer

00:49:07.800 there

00:49:08.760 was

00:49:09.220 some

00:49:09.540 work

00:49:10.060 done

00:49:10.900 about

00:49:11.820 the

00:49:12.020 file

00:49:12.260 that

00:49:12.400 was

00:49:12.580 closed

00:49:13.040 there

00:49:13.940 are

00:49:14.400 some

00:49:15.840 investigations

00:49:16.520 that

00:49:16.900 were

00:49:17.100 launched

00:49:17.740 of my

00:49:18.160 own

00:49:18.420 initiative

00:49:18.900 whereas

00:49:19.640 we

00:49:20.140 hadn't

00:49:20.480 received

00:49:20.840 any

00:49:21.160 files

00:49:21.600 with

00:49:22.760 complaints

00:49:23.220 so

00:49:23.520 everything

00:49:23.960 is

00:49:24.620 looked

00:49:24.880 into

00:49:25.200 and

00:49:25.440 once

00:49:25.660 again

00:49:25.920 this

00:49:26.260 issue

00:49:26.620 is

00:49:26.800 taken

00:49:27.000 very

00:49:27.280 seriously

00:49:27.700 with

00:49:29.600 respect

00:49:30.040 to

00:49:30.660 complaints

00:49:31.380 that

00:49:32.780 you

00:49:32.940 consider

00:49:33.360 to be

00:49:33.720 related

00:49:34.120 to

00:49:34.360 foreign

00:49:34.640 interference

00:49:35.200 those

00:49:35.800 are

00:49:36.180 on

00:49:36.840 the

00:49:36.960 whole

00:49:37.300 dealt

00:49:38.660 with

00:49:39.020 in

00:49:40.620 a

00:49:40.780 shorter

00:49:40.980 time

00:49:41.320 period

00:49:41.680 than

00:49:42.120 complaints

00:49:42.960 other

00:49:43.520 complaints

00:49:43.980 relating

00:49:44.320 to

00:49:44.500 domestic

00:49:44.880 actors

00:49:45.340 well

00:49:45.820 you

00:49:46.080 know

00:49:46.200 what

00:49:46.420 I

00:49:46.820 have

00:49:48.420 been

00:49:48.800 treated

00:49:49.220 as

00:49:49.700 an

00:49:50.000 enemy

00:49:50.360 of

00:49:50.620 the

00:49:50.800 state

00:49:51.840 every

00:49:52.200 rebel

00:49:52.540 has

00:49:52.920 been

00:49:53.180 David

00:49:53.760 Menzies

00:49:54.260 has been

00:49:54.660 physically

00:49:55.280 assaulted

00:49:55.820 by

00:49:56.440 Trudeau's

00:49:56.960 bodyguards

00:49:57.560 by

00:49:57.780 Christia

00:49:58.200 Freeland's

00:49:58.660 bodyguards

00:49:59.220 we have

00:49:59.900 been

00:50:00.100 blocked

00:50:00.440 by the

00:50:00.800 same

00:50:01.020 David

00:50:01.320 Johnson

00:50:01.780 the

00:50:02.260 same

00:50:02.520 David

00:50:02.860 Johnson

00:50:03.240 that

00:50:03.460 turned

00:50:03.640 a blind

00:50:04.140 eye

00:50:04.420 to

00:50:04.620 the

00:50:04.800 Chinese

00:50:05.100 influence

00:50:05.540 he

00:50:06.100 was

00:50:06.380 the

00:50:06.540 head

00:50:06.680 of

00:50:06.800 the

00:50:06.980 election

00:50:07.540 debates

00:50:08.500 commission

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00:50:20.420 Lavoie

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00:50:23.580 David

00:50:25.020 Johnson

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00:51:03.520 est l'un

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00:51:11.860 qui ont

00:51:12.100 reçu

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00:51:15.820 ma

00:51:17.040 question

00:51:17.400 est

00:51:17.780 plusieurs

00:51:20.040 Canadiens

00:51:21.880 ne

00:51:22.100 désirent

00:51:22.740 pas

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00:51:23.700 un

00:51:24.060 rappel

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00:51:32.500 et

00:51:34.160 aurez-vous

00:51:35.840 l'obligeance

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00:51:41.780 j'ai

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00:51:44.460 sur

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00:51:45.560 hier

00:51:46.380 soir

00:51:46.800 j'ai plus

00:51:47.340 rien

00:51:47.540 à dire

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00:51:49.100 demande

00:51:49.380 bien

00:51:49.560 qui

00:51:49.700 vous

00:51:49.880 êtes

00:51:50.140 merci

00:54:20.680 à

00:54:24.520 le

00:54:25.520 orsa

00:54:25.840 you can see why. That's it for today. On behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters

00:54:29.860 and across the country, to you at home, goodbye, and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - April 04, 2024

EZRA LEVANT ｜ China inquiry reveals a shroud of 'federal secrecy'

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