Rebel News Podcast - January 18, 2024


EZRA LEVANT | 'Disease X' and the globalist Pandemic Treaty is another ploy to rid humanity of freedom


Episode Stats

Length

25 minutes

Words per Minute

172.2199

Word Count

4,390

Sentence Count

424

Misogynist Sentences

1

Hate Speech Sentences

7


Summary

Ezra LeVant is in Davos, Switzerland, at the World Economic Forum, and he's here to talk about what it's like to be a guest on the streets of Davos. He talks about the lack of civil liberties, the police, and what's going on in the halls of power.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. I'm coming to you live from the streets of Davos, Switzerland,
00:00:03.940 where the World Economic Forum is meeting. I want you to get the video version of this
00:00:08.500 program because I want you to see what it's like here. Just go to rebelnewsplus.com and click
00:00:13.540 subscribe. It's eight bucks a month, and you get the value for it for sure. But more importantly
00:00:18.240 to me, you help keep Rebel News alive. That's rebelnewsplus.com. Thanks.
00:00:30.000 Tonight, boy, did we get some VVIPs on camera here at the World Economic Forum. It's January
00:00:44.640 17th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
00:00:47.260 You buddy for freedom! Shame on you, you sensorism bug!
00:01:00.000 Well, hi there. I'm on the streets of Davos. I guess the way to look at Davos is sort of
00:01:06.960 like Banff, except for a lot harder to get to than Banff. And Banff, they bought up every
00:01:13.000 single hotel room and Airbnb within an hour's drive. And the they, of course, they bought
00:01:20.480 it up is the World Economic Forum led by Klaus Schwab. It's almost too perfect that his father
00:01:27.100 was a Nazi industrialist, actually moved to Nazi Germany to run a factory for Hitler.
00:01:34.340 That supervillain look and sound he has is too much. Maybe that's another reason that
00:01:38.280 Chrystia Freeland likes him so much. Chrystia Freeland, in town today, we were looking for
00:01:42.660 her, but I think she's decided not to walk on the streets. She might be scrummed like she
00:01:47.940 was by our friend David Menzies, uh, a few days ago.
00:01:51.180 Why is your government supporting Islamo-National media?
00:01:55.180 What? What are you doing? You're under arrest for assault.
00:02:00.180 Why are you pushing me? You're under arrest for assault.
00:02:03.180 I should tell you that we've had lots of scrums on the streets, and police have just been
00:02:07.500 a few feet away, and not one of them has moved a muscle to stop us in any way. And the reason
00:02:14.180 for that is here in Switzerland, as opposed to Canada, as opposed to Australia, as opposed
00:02:19.000 to the United Kingdom, the police actually respect civil liberties. And in fact, I find
00:02:23.800 this one next fact endearing. The police here are shy. They're shy. You go up to them. They
00:02:30.780 sort of say, don't talk to me. Don't record me. I have my privacy. And they're not saying
00:02:35.600 it out of weakness. They're saying it out of an assertion of their place in society and
00:02:38.980 their privacy. I find that very touching. And I sort of wish the police had that light touch
00:02:43.500 back in Canada. Let me tell you, it is extremely safe here in Davos. You can imagine how safe
00:02:49.220 it is, given all the VVVIPs in town. They don't need that heavy hand that you're seeing
00:02:54.580 in Canada. But that's what it's like on the streets of Davos. But in these pavilions and
00:03:01.180 in the secret conclaves and in the political congresses, or they're talking about a lack of
00:03:08.520 freedom, they're talking about destroying freedom. Of course, they don't say it. Tyrants never
00:03:12.400 call themselves a tyrant. Tyrant call themselves a savior, solving problems. So they don't talk
00:03:17.560 about censorship here. They would never use that word. They talk about misinformation and
00:03:21.940 disinformation. We scrummed various executives from Facebook and Google and YouTube. They would
00:03:28.860 never call themselves censors. They would call it public safety. That's what they would say. It's
00:03:33.900 the same excuse they used during the pandemic, too. Speaking of which, I don't know if you saw this,
00:03:38.560 but they're talking about infection X or pandemic X. That's what they're calling it. It's all the buzz
00:03:46.440 of the World Economic Forum. Especially the disease X, it's attracting a lot of attention.
00:03:52.080 And I hope you have seen in the social media. But it's not a new idea. The first time we used the
00:04:01.000 terminology was in 2018. The discussions were in 2017. I was just new director general. As you know,
00:04:12.000 we annually list the emerging diseases. And MERS could be one, Zika, Ebola, those we know. But then we
00:04:26.340 said, there are things that are unknown that may happen. And anything happening is a matter of when,
00:04:34.080 not if. So we need to have a placeholder for that. For the disease we don't know. That may come.
00:04:42.240 And that was when we gave the name Disease X. To have better prepared and to address the disease X
00:04:48.640 is the pandemic agreement. The pandemic agreement can bring all the experience, all the challenges that
00:04:56.360 we have faced and all the solutions into one. And that agreement can help us to prepare for the future
00:05:05.740 in a better way. Because this is about a common enemy. And without a shared response, starting from
00:05:13.400 the preparedness, you know, we will face the same problem as COVID. And deadline for the pandemic
00:05:21.840 agreement is May 2024. And member states are negotiating. This is between countries.
00:05:28.560 And I hope they will deliver this pandemic agreement by that time, on the deadline. Because
00:05:37.040 if this generation cannot do it, we're the lived community. We have the first-hand experience.
00:05:43.440 I don't think coming generation, the next generation will do it. It's like they're erotically
00:05:48.640 excited about the prospect. They've already named the next pandemic. Because the people here
00:05:55.280 did so well in the last pandemic. You didn't. You were locked in your home. You lost your job.
00:06:01.200 But the masters of the universe had the best years ever. I mean, the amount of wealth that, say,
00:06:06.400 Jeff Bezos of Amazon, I mean, his wealth doubled during the pandemic because everyone had to buy stuff
00:06:13.760 by delivery vehicle. And the tech sector boomed. Because people couldn't meet and talk to each
00:06:19.680 other one-on-one. They had to deal with each other through their phones and laptops. I mean,
00:06:24.400 have you ever heard of the app called Zoom five years ago? I hadn't. And I think I sort of follow
00:06:31.520 these things. But now, so all these tech people, of course, the pharmaceutical industry boomed during
00:06:38.320 the pandemic. And they all want that back. But mostly they want power and control. And you know
00:06:43.200 what scares me about all that? Is the same boss who ran the United Nations World Health Organization,
00:06:51.840 that same boss who oversaw the worldwide lockdowns, the worldwide vax mandates, the worldwide assault on
00:06:59.200 liberty. He's still around. And he was here today. And my colleague, Avi Yamini, went up to him
00:07:12.080 and spoke truth to power. Here, take a look at that video scrum. Boy, I wish I had been there. I was
00:07:18.480 somewhere else while Avi was doing the work. Take a look. Hi, Dr. Tedros. Can I ask you, Dr. Tedros,
00:07:26.720 how are you doing? Do you think you did well in COVID? And if you're going to do as well in Disease X?
00:07:40.320 Mr. Tedros, how are you doing? How do you feel you went in COVID? We're rushing to a meeting. Maybe later on?
00:07:47.040 We'd love to walk with you to the meeting. What's the meeting about? Is it about Disease X?
00:07:50.720 A meeting with UAE. With the UAE? Okay. Dr. Adnan, do you believe that lockdown should always be
00:07:59.360 rejected as a public health measure? Can we talk later? What time? I'm happy to arrange a meeting
00:08:05.520 with you, sir. Do you believe lockdown should be rejected as a public health measure? What, what,
00:08:10.320 what is Disease X? Mr. Tedros, what is Disease X? And when is China going to release it?
00:08:16.480 I would love to talk to you, doctor. Do you, do you apologize for what you did during COVID? And
00:08:35.120 should people have to go through Disease X with you now that you say it's 10 times worse?
00:08:39.520 Sir, it's a simple question. Do you condemn public health interventions like lockdowns and vaccine
00:08:43.840 mandates? The slogan is for the WBF agenda. Are you going to apologize for getting everything wrong
00:08:50.640 from mask mandates to vaccine mandates?
00:08:53.040 Mr. Tedros, it should be held accountable for its role in COVID.
00:08:58.000 Okay, sorry. Don't push me. Dr. Tedros, this is your chance to apologize to the world for your
00:09:06.720 role during COVID. Would you like to take it? We have to wait for you to get everything wrong in
00:09:12.720 Disease X. Do you think the vaccine mandates wrong? You got everything from mask mandates to vaccines
00:09:19.120 wrong. Do you want to apologize? Or do we have to suffer? In Australia, we wait, we had the longest
00:09:25.280 lockdowns in our city. And that was based on your advice. You don't want to apologize to Australians
00:09:32.720 or anyone. What about the current excess deaths? Do you want to talk about those?
00:09:38.640 Do you take any responsibility for people who died because of the policies you pushed?
00:09:46.560 It's rebuild, regaining. They say regaining trust is the theme this year. Are you part of the reason
00:09:52.480 why they've lost trust in the WEF and everybody's finally knows who you are and what you stand for?
00:09:57.840 Well, thank you, Dr. Tedros, for showing us how transparent you and the World Economic Forum really
00:10:07.760 is. Well, welcome back. And here's the man of the hour, Avi Amini, our chief Australia correspondent.
00:10:13.680 Did you stake him out? How did you know? I mean, this strip here, it's more than a mile long. Like,
00:10:18.720 there's a hundred little nooks and crannies. And we don't know where these people are going to be. How
00:10:22.720 did you know that Tedros, the head of the World Health Organization, was going to be where he was
00:10:27.840 when he was? Or was it just a random encounter? Yeah, we've, you know, we've been at that entrance
00:10:33.760 for hours, 10 hours probably yesterday. Today, something close. I would love to stand here and
00:10:39.120 take all the credit because that's what I enjoy doing. But the truth is, Kian, the cameraman,
00:10:44.640 spotted him and called out. And we just went straight to work because that's what we're here for.
00:10:50.560 Now, he didn't give a lot of answers. I think he said something about, well, book a time or
00:10:56.480 something. They never mean that. They just say that they would never in a million years
00:11:01.040 grant Rebel News a sit down interview. We took their word last time for it. Remember when Dr.
00:11:07.200 DiBaro, when he said the same thing to me, but he actually engaged. But he said, let's do a proper
00:11:12.160 sit down one. They never respond after. It's a way to avoid in the time. Let me show our viewers what
00:11:17.680 you're talking about. I really like this. And this is when Davos was, I think, in the summertime
00:11:22.160 or the springtime. It was a little less frozen. Here's Avi with someone, I think it's from the UN's
00:11:29.200 envoy, or it's the World Health Organization, or UN's World Health Organization. Anyways,
00:11:33.200 here's the video. I'll stop now because you're asking me quite aggressive questions.
00:11:37.600 Well, I think the whole... And I didn't ask to be interviewed. This is an interview done
00:11:42.000 against my approval. The vaccination is also... People are forced vaccinated. Do you think
00:11:49.360 that's okay? That's against their will. And WHO pushed the vaccine? I have never called for
00:11:58.960 forced vaccination myself. Do you realize... Do you think that they should drop those mandates
00:12:02.960 around the world? Do you think... I have said mandates. I've said vaccination mandates.
00:12:08.640 That's really a last resort. You know... What resort we have? What point should you ever force
00:12:13.760 somebody to have a vaccine? Any resort? I would not. I would personally never want anything mandated.
00:12:20.240 You see, you can't... Why is that not the WHO official position? I am not giving the WHO official
00:12:27.200 position. Gosh, you're an aggressive interviewer, but I'm still entertaining you. I appreciate it.
00:12:31.840 viewers can understand, and I hope this is not cut out, that I've been ambushed in the street,
00:12:38.160 and I'm responding to this gentleman's... I don't even know his name. I'm responding to his questions
00:12:44.640 because I believe that it is my duty to attempt to communicate. I appreciate that.
00:12:50.400 I don't mean to... I don't mean to be... We're just running fast, so that's why I... I get it.
00:12:55.280 I'm late for a meeting. All right, you can go to the meeting. I think you have to remember that WHO
00:13:00.160 is an organisation that exists, owned by 194 countries, and all it tries to do is to offer
00:13:07.760 the best advice it can to everybody, but it's up to individual countries to decide whether to follow
00:13:13.280 it. You have to let me go. Does it sometimes get it wrong? Well, I mean, I'm sorry. I'm not actually
00:13:19.840 going to say any answer to that question because there's been great reviews done of WHO's performance.
00:13:24.640 I guess, last question. I ask that because big tech that are here, they rely on you,
00:13:29.840 so if somebody says something online that contradicts what you're saying, what the WHO says,
00:13:34.800 they get banned from social media.
00:13:37.280 So I don't... Again, I am not... Do you know I don't work for WHO? I'm an envoy on behalf of WHO.
00:13:45.200 Okay.
00:13:45.520 And I try to do my... So you're distancing yourself from them?
00:13:48.400 No, I'm not distancing myself. It's just that you are asking questions that I can't answer.
00:13:53.600 All right. Thank you for your time. I apologize.
00:13:55.440 I would like to say to those of you who are watching this, you know, I would be very happy to
00:14:01.360 be interviewed normally about this. Can I get a card? I don't have any cards left. Where can I
00:14:06.800 catch you to continue this interview? Let me just write it down. So there you go. I don't mean to
00:14:14.800 give you a spoiler for how the story ends, but no, he did not grant a scheduled interview with Avi.
00:14:20.720 What do you make of Tedros? Sometimes I think, well, these guys must hate being scrummed by citizen
00:14:27.280 journalists. But then I think, you know, that's our point of view because we think we landed a few
00:14:31.440 punches. But this guy operates, I would use the phrase VVVIP, like not just a VVIP, but a triple,
00:14:40.240 very, very, very important person. He truly is in the league of presidents and tyrants and billionaires.
00:14:47.200 And like, he is a master of the universe. So part of me thinks he couldn't care less
00:14:52.960 what citizen journalists say about him. Even if that video, I mean, the video you did with him,
00:14:58.240 it's on its way to a million views easily. I don't think he cares because what are you going to do,
00:15:02.160 fire him? Look, I think on a personal level, you can read his face and you can see it in the moment.
00:15:07.600 He cared. What I find interesting is how many doctors do you know need? I know he's not a 100%
00:15:14.320 real doctor, but how many doctors do you know, people that use a title doctor, do you know that have
00:15:18.480 such security guards, big, proper, professional, that were probably the most professional security
00:15:23.920 guards I've encountered. And we've encountered a few here just trying to get these scrums. It's
00:15:29.600 very telling in itself. Well, I'm glad you got them. We've had some very interesting
00:15:34.320 interviews over the last few days. We haven't been able to keep up with all the editing because we're
00:15:39.680 out here on the streets and we could go and edit, but we just want to make maximum time on the street.
00:15:44.640 Like seriously, every single person you see walking behind us, most of them have a name tag on.
00:15:50.640 I mean, you can recognize with your eyes, famous people like Dr. Tedros. But for example,
00:15:55.840 I don't know if you saw the other day when I scrummed for eight minutes long, the president of the
00:16:01.200 Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, I had no idea what he looked like. So our team with eagle eyes
00:16:07.200 reads the name tags really quickly. And then we have to think of questions really quickly and walk and
00:16:11.840 talk and sometimes they duck away and run away. Other times they actually have thoughtful
00:16:16.480 conversations. It's rare, but it has happened probably half a dozen times in our stay here.
00:16:20.800 So that's what we do. We stand out on the street. Sometimes we go into different pavilions. We're
00:16:25.680 not allowed in the controlled areas, but on the streets, so many of these folks here are used to
00:16:30.640 having their guard down. Because I think other than us, three of our friends from True North are here.
00:16:36.240 And one alumni from Rebel News, Callum Smiles, is here. Other than that, I don't think there is a
00:16:42.560 single citizen journalist here. And so everyone feels like they're in a safe space from prickly
00:16:48.320 questions. Avi, last moment to you. What do you think of Davos this year, as opposed to last year or
00:16:56.160 the year before? This is your third time here. Is there any difference you can spot?
00:17:00.240 It's a lot busier. In fact, you see, we can't even get car parks. We have to catch a train because
00:17:04.720 there's nowhere to get in. And I think it's important for the viewers today. Like we get
00:17:07.680 all the credit because we're the ones that at the end you see. But it's the team. It's Lincoln,
00:17:12.640 it's Kieran, it's Benji. They're the ones actually spotting, finding, reading. Lincoln's become the king.
00:17:18.240 I'm looking at him in awe. I can't do that. So this is really a team effort. And the guys in Canada,
00:17:24.400 you know, like you said, we can't be editing everything. They're doing a bunch of the editing. So thanks to
00:17:29.200 everyone involved. And thanks to the viewers who are helping fund all those levels of this
00:17:34.800 operation, this mission that I think is so important. Yeah, we really do need help. We are
00:17:39.280 not a break even yet. And we had the economy class airfare to get here. But the number one cost was
00:17:46.720 that Airbnb. Like I said before, they booked up every hotel room, every Airbnb for at least 50 kilometers
00:17:53.520 away. And so we had to buy one that was expensive because I don't know, I guess we could sleep in our
00:17:59.040 car. But I don't think the police and military would allow that. And I wouldn't want to freeze.
00:18:03.280 Plus, we have to be ready to do our work. So if you can help us out, please go to wefreports.com.
00:18:08.720 Go there anyways, because that's where all our videos are. And we'll be adding probably five or
00:18:13.200 ten a day for the next couple days. That's our show for today. Until tomorrow, on behalf of us at
00:18:19.760 Rebel Headquarters in Canada and here on the ground in Davos, Switzerland, to you at home,
00:18:24.880 good night, and keep fighting for freedom.
00:18:39.120 I'd recognize that voice anywhere. How you doing? I'm sorry. Not this morning. What are you sorry
00:18:49.520 about? Well, I'm sorry that I can't stop to talk to you. Let's not stop. Let's talk and walk. We've
00:18:53.200 got 60 seconds. I've got one question for you I've been thinking about. CNN and yourself especially,
00:18:58.560 a lot of credibility, a lot of reputation. But how can you ask critical questions here if you're paying
00:19:04.480 to be here? Like, CNN pays to be here. So how can you critically ask questions about the WEF?
00:19:09.440 I always find it's best to be very careful when walking, talking, and doing interviews,
00:19:14.640 particularly in snowy conditions. Because I think that you're avoiding the question. I think it's
00:19:19.920 because you're embarrassed. I think it's always very important to understand. Now, now we have two
00:19:25.920 against one. I'm not against you, mate. We're all on the side of the truth. At least I am. I know you are,
00:19:30.880 too. Now, let me ask you. Do you ski? I have a better question that's more in the public interest.
00:19:35.920 How can CNN report neutrally or objectively on the World Economic Forum if you're paying hundreds
00:19:41.680 of thousands of dollars to be here? You're part of the insiders. When you say we are paying hundreds
00:19:48.160 of thousands of dollars to be here, precisely what do you mean? Well, to get access to the inside,
00:19:55.520 CNN and the other regime media pay hundreds of thousands of dollars. The other, sorry?
00:20:00.320 Regime media. Excuse me? Regime, R-E-G-I-M-E. Excuse me? Excuse me? Yes. My god, you know, you are,
00:20:08.640 this is fascinating. You're not doing very well as an answerer. You're good as an asker,
00:20:12.640 but not as an answerer. You are paying more cameras to try and get me. I'm not trying to get your mates.
00:20:18.560 I'm trying to get an answer from you. It's different.
00:20:20.400 Lovely weather. Tell me, you've been here every single year. We bumped into you last year.
00:20:25.600 Um, this year the theme is regaining trust. Why do you think your lords here at WEF have lost so much
00:20:32.720 trust? Stop it. Stop it. Rephrase the question in a neutral fashion and you might stand a chance of
00:20:39.200 getting an answer. Like CNN does? You don't like it when it's, uh... Listen, I think you're a great
00:20:44.880 question-asker. I watch you. I love your voice. Answer my questions. What's your purpose? My purpose is to
00:20:50.000 find out how you can be an objective journalist, but also pay to be part of the team. But you're
00:20:54.880 assuming we pay to be part of the team. I know you do. Well, show me. All of these organizations
00:20:59.200 along here pay an enormous amount of money to Klaus Schwab. And do you see us along here? No,
00:21:04.160 you're in the inner sanctum. For which we pay for the facilities of studios and broadcasting. Sure. If
00:21:10.400 that lets you sleep at night, mate. We pay for that in all sorts of venues. You know what? We pay for the
00:21:15.440 facilities. And I assure you, sir, I assure you, the numbers you have for what we might pay for
00:21:22.160 facilities, i.e. electricity, tables. And access. No. Hundreds of thousands of dollars for tables.
00:21:28.400 Are they golden tables? Yes. Yes. There is no payment for access. Let me just say this again,
00:21:34.480 to be absolutely clear. The access is a bonus. The access is part of my job.
00:21:38.960 And you would never jeopardize that by asking questions that are too prickly. Oh,
00:21:43.680 you are clearly erroneous, sir. Show me a prickly question you've asked here,
00:21:47.200 at this place. You'd get booted out. Look at interviews with Klaus Schwab over the years.
00:21:52.320 We have become too much pessimists. Look, humankind was driven. There was a paradigm,
00:21:58.960 the narrative to take care of the next generations, to take care of the neighbors.
00:22:05.280 And we have lost his capability to a certain extent. How do we get that back?
00:22:11.600 Look, the world is also full of opportunities. My questioning of Klaus Schwab has been, over the
00:22:19.840 years, some of the more difficult and, if you will, uncomfortable for Wes. I don't believe that.
00:22:26.720 World Economic Forum's theme this year, rebuilding trust, where it aims to hit the target.
00:22:34.240 That's also the philosophy of the Davos Curling Club.
00:22:38.560 So when the skip says, here, you make the curl like that.
00:22:43.920 So that's why it's called curling, because you curl...
00:22:46.480 It curls. It curls. Yes.
00:22:49.840 Look at what I say about Wes. Look at the articles I've written about Wes.
00:22:52.640 I say, basically, my fundamental view on Wes.
00:22:56.160 Yes. A lot of what happens here is a waste of time.
00:22:58.400 A lot of it is far too expensive. But there is real value in people coming together at the
00:23:03.200 beginning of the year to see where they stand on controversial or political...
00:23:06.320 With no democratic oversight, no opposition party, and no independent journalists.
00:23:11.760 It is a crypto government.
00:23:13.040 Oh, no, come on.
00:23:13.920 It's a lobbyist festival. It's an unregistered lobbyist.
00:23:18.240 You get away with things.
00:23:19.280 Right. You have now transgressed. You have followed me for the last however many minutes.
00:23:23.920 I've made it clear I didn't particularly want to be interviewed.
00:23:26.400 I've given you some answers. Now will you let me proceed?
00:23:28.720 Go ahead.
00:23:29.280 You have to be in your safe space. You're about to go past the gate, but...
00:23:31.680 Oh, I love it.
00:23:32.720 You know, sir, I really...
00:23:34.160 Why do you think we don't get access, but you do?
00:23:36.880 I really love the fact, really love it, that you will take whatever I say in however I say it,
00:23:45.200 and manage to turn it either...
00:23:46.880 We've learned from the master.
00:23:48.160 We've learned from the master.
00:23:49.360 You're doing it now. I mean, CNN.
00:23:50.640 You're doing it now, and either turn it against me, or against CNN, or against anybody else
00:23:59.120 that you deem to be unworthy of your approval. Well done, sir.
00:24:03.760 Go with the masters of the universe. Go with your people.
00:24:06.560 Go to your people. Those are your people.
00:24:08.800 I'm looking forward to seeing how you edit this.
00:24:10.560 It'll be raw, my friend. Uncut.
00:24:12.480 Excellent. In which case you will fully understand it's not particularly pleasant at
00:24:17.360 half past nine in the morning to be ambushed by one, two, three, four, five people.
00:24:25.280 Five. I don't even deploy that many people when I'm going to interview a president.
00:24:29.200 You've got that many people in the makeup room alone.
00:24:31.760 There's many criminals here we would love to hold accountable, and I think CNN often...
00:24:36.240 VIP alert. VIP coming through. Clear the way.
00:24:39.120 ...supports it. CNN often is the one that props these criminals up.
00:24:43.680 I wouldn't call them a criminal.
00:24:44.560 I'm not going to call them a criminal. Listen, he's...
00:24:46.160 Not him, not him. I'm saying who they prop up here.
00:24:49.920 He's a journalist that when he has questions to ask, you know it.
00:24:53.600 He'll ask tough questions when he wants to, but he won't ask tough questions in there
00:24:57.920 because you have to be part of the club. And if you stink up the joint, you won't be allowed back in.
00:25:02.480 We know that because one of our colleagues was accredited last year. He was blackballed this year.
00:25:08.240 And I think that... I think we cut him to the quick. I think he was very thin-skinned,
00:25:12.800 which is unusual for him because I think we were getting a little too close to the truth.