EZRA LEVANT ｜ Do you know how many Canadians have died from the COVID vaccine？
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Do you know how many people have died from vaccines? The answer to that question is in the triple digits, according to the official adverse event report from Ontario's Public Health Agency, and the government says it's zero. So what's the difference between the two numbers?
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my rebels today i take you through ontario's official adverse event report that's a fancy
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way of saying people who get sick from the vaccines what's different what's interesting
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is the number that ontario says have died from vaccines it's different from what the federal
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government says has died from vaccines why might there be a disagreement i wonder if politics is
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involved the number is in the triple digits by the way i'll go through that using government sources
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here's today's podcast tonight do you know how many canadians have died from the covid vaccine
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it's public info so why hasn't it been widely reported it's august 11th and this is the ezra
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why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer i know there's 8 500 customers here
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and you won't give them an answer the only thing i have to say to the government about why i publish it
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i'm going to show you some statistics about how many canadians have been injured
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by vaccines particularly the covid vaccines and how many have died from them
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but first i i want you to know i support vaccines in general although the conduct of the vaccine
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industry and the public health industry this past year has deeply eroded my trust in them
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i see that they are just as corruptible and partisan as any other institution in society but still
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i believe in basic vaccines tried and true ones the ones i myself have taken i suppose
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i'm aware that they don't always work but over time in some cases over decades we know enough
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about the risks of the original diseases and about the risks of the vaccines themselves and
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whether it seems worthwhile to take them i'm old enough i'm 49 to vaguely remember
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that when we were kids parents sometimes had things like chickenpox parties where healthy kids
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would deliberately be taken to play with other kids who were sick so they'd catch the disease
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when they were young and you'd get over it easily the thinking being catching some of those diseases
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when you're a teenager or a grown-up is much much worse i know there are risks each way there are risks
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in life no matter what you do there are risks to doing nothing here's a 20 second clip in french
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you're telling me i'm a health risk because i'm unvaccinated but you are a health risk because you are obese
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you're telling me i'm a health risk because i'm unvaccinated but you are a health risk because you are obese oh
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it's true enough isn't it it's super true actually being old is not really a risk factor in itself it is
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but being old and fat is the risk but really being old and fat and having two or three or four
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severe underlying conditions like heart disease or stroke or kidney that's the risk and if you want
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to know what the riskiest thing is for pandemic virus coronavirus according to the global mail and a
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public inquire in quebec the biggest risk factor in canada for coronavirus is if you're in a quebec long-term
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care home where they believe in euthanasia just hundreds and hundreds of people killed
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when you prescribe morphine and basically pull the plug i'm not quite sure why that's not called a
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sort of homicide but that is actually the number one determinant of whether or not you lived or died
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in the past 18 months are you not curious why quebec with less than a quarter of the population of
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canada had so many deaths especially in the first year that's why according to the the doctors and
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the nurses who testified before the inquiry it's because it's because they were killed
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so yeah we we don't have all the info yet about the coronavirus or the vaccines uh the the virus itself
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that goes to one side of the equation how risky or deadly is the problem we're trying to solve
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with vaccines uh in canada the death rate for the virus right now is currently zero per hundred thousand
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population this is theresa times chart it's not quite zero but it's so close to zero that her official
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website rounds it down to zero that's the threat here her public health canada page so that's what
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you're balancing any possible risk from a vaccine against how scared of you are the are you of the virus
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i put it to you that without the media you probably wouldn't be scared at all if you don't know anyone
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who's in a quebec nursing home you probably don't know anyone who died from the virus this past year
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statistically speaking you just probably don't but i bet you know someone who's had their life ruined
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whether it's a business shutdown a school year wrecked a life cycle event like a wedding or a
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funeral just destroyed a vac a vacation scuppered or even just daily life turned into a prison routine
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always under rules and limits and watchful eyes of mask police so the vaccines are the other side of
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that equation i'm going to show you images right now that are not for the faint of heart so look away
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now if you must we believe in testing medicines and not just for a little while testing for years
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because when a drug called thalidomide was tested insufficiently moms had babies without limbs
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terrible tragedy a medicine that hurt people and that's why we test and test and you can't rush
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tests because how do you know how it affects babies in the long term or breastfeeding or a
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young man or a young woman's fertility later you don't know until time passes you can't rush those kind
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of tests so as we learn more and more about the virus itself and more and more people get the
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disease naturally and recover from it the urgency of the vaccine becomes a little less important
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doesn't it which i think is why the pressure is being ratcheted up to take them if people were dropping
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like flies if this disease were like ebola with a black plague you would not have to be giving away
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free lottery tickets or free donuts to encourage people to take a vaccine they would be clamoring for it
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when you have to force someone to take a vaccine this is happening more and more that violates the
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very notion of medical consent personal bodily integrity where's the pro-choice people now i wonder
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because here come the vaccine mandates the vaccine passports the vaccine police the vaccine checkpoints
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the vaccine laws forced vaccines oh none of them will say it's truly forced you can always opt out
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if you just agree you can't go to school or go to work or go to travel or go to a restaurant or
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i'm sure soon um custody of your children in a divorce so yeah you have the choice you just
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if you make the wrong choice you can't work or have a life by the way pfizer itself is not mandating
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that its own vaccine be used on its own staff why i say that's sort of odd isn't it later in the show
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we'll interview a lawyer suing a university for forcing a vaccine on a professor who is already
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immune to the to the virus so why should he take a vaccine that's not as effective and gives him risk
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every day the cbc and the ctv and the rest of the fear mongers in canadian media publish how many cases
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there are especially the dangerous delta variant uh delta variant they use such dramatic words they talk
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mainly about cases now since hospitals are empty and i mean that literally there are fewer than one
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covid patient per hospital in canada as in most don't have a single patient let alone full intensive
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care unit so you can't talk about deaths from the virus or icu patients or hospitalizations
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without giving away the fact that it's pretty much over it's just not a thing anymore it's
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what alberta now says it's endemic as in the virus will always be there like the annual flu is always
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there but the crisis has passed well tell that to the media and tell that the big pharma tell that to
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justin trudeau who apparently bought 400 million vaccine doses which i find very odd given that there's
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only 38 million people in canada including children and babies 400 million is he suggesting that we each need
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to take 10 doses even babies why would he buy so many there are so many toronto shootings these days
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by the way and the police tweet about them all uh that it's plain to me that more torontonians are
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getting shot than are dying from covid and most of those getting shot are not you know 90 year olds but
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being euthanized by long-term care homes they're they're young men so lots of statistics i've shown you
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some the fear mongers show you others but why don't we hear stats on a daily basis in the same
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way about people who are injured or killed from the vaccines themselves is that is that not an
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interesting question i think it's interesting is a death from the vaccine somehow less painful or
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tragic than a death from the virus itself or is it more tragic or painful i'd say it's the same
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the same but perhaps it's more avoidable or at least something we should talk about and warn people
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about to make informed decisions and maybe we should figure it out a bit before pushing vaccines
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on children just a thought it's not hard to report vaccine deaths or injuries ontario for example
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publishes up-to-date details i suspect that will be stopped soon enough here's the website you could
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find it pretty quickly yourself google the words adverse events following immunization that's what they
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call them aefis so it's a public health publication for the last seven months for ontario only that
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we're looking at here so i i think we can extrapolate that the national number is about triple since
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ontario has about triple that's or about one-third of the population in canada now this document notes
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these incidents are not necessarily proven to be from the vaccine let me read it is important to
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know that the adverse events described in this report are defined as any untoward medical occurrences
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that follow the immunization and do not necessarily have a causal relationship with the vaccine so
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they're saying just because these health problems happen right after someone took the vaccine doesn't
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mean the vaccine caused it and and that's technically true of course that's theoretically true
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but i think it's much more likely that you if you have an adverse event right after a vaccine it's
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much more likely uh to be true than the test for reporting deaths from covid which is actually
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reporting deaths with covid typically 30 days as in you died maybe from a heart attack or a stroke but
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that death was blamed on covid because you also happened to be tested positive for covid within 30 days
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the death i'm serious that is the definition of so many death stats for covid that's why a person
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falling off a ladder was counted as a covid death i'm not even kidding so yeah i think getting an
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allergic reaction a minute after getting the injection is likely caused by the injection although no not
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necessarily but let's go through it let's let's look at the highlights here there are a total of 9,698
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adverse incident event reports received following 19 million doses of covid 19 vaccines administered in
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ontario to date with a reporting rate of 49.8 per 100 000 doses administered 0.05 of all doses administered
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now i appreciate them pointing out that these adverse events are rare i think that's true i don't see the
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the same emphasis on deaths from the virus which are rare and even more rare among certain age groups
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like people under 40 as i've shown you before it's literally one in a million chance that a minor child
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in ontario dies from the virus one in a million you never hear that but boy do they want you to know that
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only 50 per 100 000 people have had adverse reactions to the vaccine that would be 500 per million now i
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think that's smallish but miners dying from the virus is one in a million let's read of the total
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9,698 adverse effect reports received to date 9,210 adverse effect reports are non-serious
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488 adverse effects reports meet the serious definition five percent of total reports the most
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commonly reported adverse events are allergic skin reactions and pain redness swelling of the injection
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site reported in 25.9 percent and 21.6 percent of the total adverse effect reports respectively
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okay that's good to know just an allergic reaction and most aren't serious i'll read some more
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three hundred and forty eight reports of events managed as anaphylaxis are reported in which 25 reports
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also meet the serious definition anaphylaxis that's when you go into shock from an allergy that's that's
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pretty bad let me read a bit more this is just a bit of jargon here 20 reports of Guillain-Barre
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syndrome if i'm saying that right 572 reports include a covid 19 vaccine specific adverse event of special
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interest in which 286 reports also meet the serious definition 21 reports of thrombosis with thrombocytopenia
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syndrome after receipt of astrazeneca vaccine of which 16 are vaccine induced immune thrombotic
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thrombocytopenia that's some big words there you don't want to have any of those things
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215 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis after receipt of mrna vaccines that's when your heart
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or the lining of your heart is inflamed that ain't good so those are the ontario numbers so roughly
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triple that for the country say do we have a nice clickable chart for this info province by province
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updated daily like we do for the virus so right we don't let's look at table one in ontario there is a
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federal chart i'll show you in a minute but for ontario table one 488 serious reports in ontario
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in six months you can you can see the rate by vaccine pfizer moderna astrazeneca
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astrazeneca is twice as likely to have adverse effects than moderna three times as likely as
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pfizer isn't that interesting astrazeneca that's the one trudeau bought us a lot of and then he
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changed the dosage schedule you might remember and then he said you can mix and match vaccines remember
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the drug companies didn't say that they didn't test for that that was trudeau's big idea so table
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two is interesting look at the top women are more than three times as likely as men to get an adverse
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event for the vaccines you know that and look by age middle-aged women age 40 to 49 are the most
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likely of all to get an adverse reaction did you know that i should tell you that 40 year old women
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are at an extremely low risk from the virus itself if you're healthy not fat if you're 40 year old woman
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you are at an extremely low risk from the virus itself but you are the highest risk cohort for the
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vaccines you know that do you think canadian women know that you think canadian women in their 40
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bodies know that do you think they're being told that before they get the vaccine
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if not do you think they're making an informed decision now maybe 68 adverse events out of 100
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000 isn't a big deal but 68 virus cases out of 100 000 certainly makes the news shouldn't this
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like i say like i showed you the death count in canada is single digits per day these days
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sometimes not a single death and a major problems like ontario and quebec on any given day usually
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not a single death in smaller provinces sometimes for weeks at a time so compare that to vaccine
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serious events medically important events some selected adverse events are defined as medically
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important based on the world health organization's guidance regardless of whether they meet the serious
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adverse event definition these types of events may jeopardize the patient or may require
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intervention to prevent an outcome described in this serious definition the list of medically
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important events are listed in the technical notes so there were 417 of these that are reported
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that were classified as medically important events representing 4.3 of all reports the 417 reports
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that were classified as medically important events include 342 reports of events managed as anaphylaxis
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that's an allergic shock and 75 reports of other medically important events now
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i showed you that astrazeneca was the worst of the three read this on may 11 2021 ontario announced a
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pause on the administration of the first doses of the astrazeneca vaccine out of an abundance of caution
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due to an observed increase in reports of thrombosis that's i'm not going to try and remember what those
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acronyms stand for however based on the lag period from vaccination to subsequent symptom onset
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clinical recognition and reporting to the vaccine safety surveillance system there may be additional
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reports reported in the coming weeks so do you see what's happening ordinary canadians were the guinea
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pigs in a giant experiment it started going really bad so they paused it but then they unpaused it
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because trudeau bought so much of that bags hey no problem did you know that this was still an
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experiment maybe you did but did they tell people that this wasn't fully tested yet how how do you
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feel about the fact that healthy people were promised protection by the government and they in fact got
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ill at such a rate that the government panicked and paused things and then restarted things i'm not sure
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which is worse it's a big report i'm not going to read all of it you can find it online in a minute
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yourself and i encourage you to do so but look at this myocarditis pericarditis that's what i talked
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about that's the heart inflammation there have been international reports including from the united
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states and israel of myocarditis inflammation of the heart muscle and pericarditis inflammation
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of the lining around the heart following vaccination with covet 19 mrna vaccines information
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to date indicates that these events occur more commonly after the second dose within the week
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following vaccination typically within four to five days mainly in adolescents young adults and more
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often in males and females public health and health canada are closely monitoring these events in
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passive and active canadian vaccine safety surveillance systems as of july 31st there have been 215 reports
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of myocarditis or pericarditis following receipt of covet 19 mrna vaccines in ontario
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so this looks like it's a side effect of the mrna vaccines only pfizer moderna inflamed hearts oh just
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that no big deal guys and uh look at the gender there 70 of these cases are young men average age 24.
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why are 24 year old young men taking the vaccine at all they're the healthiest people in the world
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why are we doing this to them the report says that six people have died from the vaccines in ontario
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all together but uh is that true here's the federal version of this ontario report they say nationally
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there's 11 471 adverse effects events 2 849 that were serious but read this
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deaths up to and including july 30 2021 a total of 167 deaths
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were reported after the administration of the vaccine but hang on ontario says they only had six
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deaths they only had six deaths in ontario but the feds say there have been 167
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nationwide so how could there only be six in in ontario doesn't make sense well look at this this is
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what the ontario report says as of july 31 there are 29 reports of deaths
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temporally that means uh close in time associated with receipt of covid 19 vaccine that are currently
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classified as persons under investigation as they do not currently meet the provincial surveillance
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definition these investigations are ongoing and additional information including a cause of death
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e.g. autopsy of coronis report is expected preliminary information suggests that these events occurred in
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individuals with multiple comorbidities which may be related to the cause of death got it so 29 people
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died after taking the vaccine but the province of ontario politically is deciding deciding not to
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attribute those to the vaccine because there was some underlying comorbidity which means you're sick
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sick with something else too so that if they were also really fat or really old or had a heart issue
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they wouldn't be blamed they wouldn't blame their death on the vaccine that's what they're saying
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but if they were really fat and really old and had a heart attack that absolutely would count as a death
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from the virus if they had tested positive within 30 days why the different reporting standard
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standard for public health well you might ask why the different reporting standard for journalists
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i don't yet know what to make of the vaccines in the end because we don't have all the information
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i i don't believe they're proven yet that's that's not actually an opinion it's what the fda says
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they're not approved yet they're only authorized for emergency use
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i say let's have an honest conversation about the injuries and deaths from vaccines it's in the hundreds
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now let's tell young men about myocarditis and the risk to them let's tell 40 year old women
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about their risk profile why wouldn't we why wouldn't doctors why wouldn't journalists i mean i know why
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drug salesmen might not and until then until this experiment is over in years to come i'd appreciate
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not being forced by law to be part of a giant unethical scheme that maybe bill gates sure is
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enjoying and the new pharma billionaires are enjoying the rest of us might have some legitimate qualms about
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hey welcome back i saw this unusual story from germany a vaccine skeptical nurse apparently gave
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thousands of doses of saline solution just salt water instead of vaccines because
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she was worried about people being poisoned by them and so she well i guess she deceived them
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she tricked them by giving them a you know a placebo instead and telling them they were vaccinated
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now that's obviously wrong to do even if you are vaccine skeptical or vaccine hesitant
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to trick someone into injecting something else to switch their medical prescription on them
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because you think you know better than them that violates their consent that violates their personal
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and bodily integrity and so surely any outrage against this woman for taking thousands of people's
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lives in their own hands surely we should feel the same when it's the reverse when it's someone forcing
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a vaccine on someone who doesn't want the vaccine who doesn't want their privacy or bodily integrity
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violated under duress if you want the vaccine then take it but it's not free and informed consent if you're
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forced at gunpoint to take it tricked into taking it or told you'll be fired from your livelihood if
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you don't take it which brings us to the case today we told you that this lawsuit was looming
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and indeed it was filed todd zewicki a law professor in virginia has been told by his university that if he
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doesn't tell them his vaccine status and get vaxxed he'll lose out on merit pay and possibly even be sacked
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even though professor todd zewicki already has immunity to covet because he got the disease
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and recovered from it naturally well he sued and joining us now via skype to talk about it
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is our friend janine younis who is the lawyer fighting the civil liberties case forum gene great to see you
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again um so you did it you pulled the trigger on the lawsuit we talked about it before what made you decide
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to actually sue well uh the university um sent a letter in response to our we initially sent a
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letter demanding that they exempt professor zewicki based on his natural immunity so professor zewicki's
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specific argument is that uh he has very high antibody levels he had coveted in march of 2020 um he gets
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his antibody levels measured regularly and his doctor uh human nor chasm says that because of those
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antibody levels and his natural immunity the virus uh sorry the vaccine is not only uh medically
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unnecessary which means he shouldn't be getting it but it also poses a risk of harm to him so we asked
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the university to exempt him on that basis uh the university denied our request and so we um went ahead
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and filed a lawsuit now let me ask you in many canadian jurisdictions there are exemptions under human
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rights law and i know the law is quite different in the united states in the province of ontario where
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i'm broadcasting from uh the human rights code includes something called creed which has been held to
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include even things like vegetarianism or veganism and some universities that require vaccine mandates
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have an exemption for conscientious objectors who say it's against their creed i find that interesting and
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it's something that's sort of tucked away the universities don't like to broadcast it because
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a lot of people would probably take that is there anything similar in the u.s is there a medical
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exemption is there a religious or conscientious or creed exemption either under some sort of federal law
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or state law i well i think all sorts of jurisdictions have different things i you know there's no to my
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knowledge um there's no federal law although that i would argue that the eua statute um currently you
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know uh prohibits uh forcing people to get this vaccine and that was one of the arguments we actually
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made in our complaint that it's an emergency use authorization statute it mandates uh free and
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informed consent and the opportunity to refuse or take the medical product in question so um you know
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know it's my position that that flies in the face of any uh public or private entity mandating these
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vaccines um that it it looks like the pfizer is going to be approved soon so that argument probably
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will go away uh now states have different um schemes so i'm not sure but you know one interesting thing
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actually is that uh gmu or sorry virginia um virginia's code in mandating vaccines for school children
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actually says in place you can show proof that you've had the uh the disease that issue before
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so if you've had uh chickenpox or rubella or measles or mumps um instead of getting the vaccine you can
00:29:33.920
show that you've had it and recovered so you know in the past we've always recognized natural immunity
00:29:39.360
as a substitute for vaccination but uh to my knowledge um that's not really happening in the u.s
00:29:46.480
it does seem to be happening more in europe but you know it's interesting to me i i see uh you refer to
00:29:51.840
that uh immunologist uh dr newark newachasm if i'm saying his name correctly um to prescribe a drug
00:29:59.760
that someone does not need seems to be a violation of medical ethics and to prescribe a drug that they
00:30:06.400
don't need that has a risk of harm violates that essential hippocratic oath do no harm has george
00:30:16.080
mason university and in i can't even believe this and we talked about this last time professor zewiki
00:30:21.680
is teaching at the antonine scalia school of law i mean surely of any any law school in america they
00:30:28.240
would respect privacy and and and and freedom but i'm just shocked by that have these said anything
00:30:34.640
have they parried your thrusts at all have they responded substantively because i just can't
00:30:40.080
believe they would say no you're immune you have better immunity than the vaccine gives you but we
00:30:45.680
want you to take a drug that won't help you and can harm you and we'll fire you if you or we could
00:30:52.400
fire you if you don't it just that's such a such a hard line position have they have they responded or
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moderated or shown any willingness to compromise at all i just find that startling
00:31:02.080
we um we actually are having discussions with them um they are not going to compromise on the
00:31:08.400
natural immunity uh they that was actually their response to me in the first place uh that they
00:31:14.160
we don't recognize that they linked to a cdc web page which you know says we can't be sure about
00:31:19.680
natural immunity this is a a silly response in a number of ways first of all it's just sort of this
00:31:24.960
general statement um as we know as uh many scientists like martin kuhldorf and jay bodhacharya
00:31:30.640
has said it's a ridiculous thing to say well we don't know how long natural immunity lasts we don't
00:31:34.880
know how long immunity from the vaccine lasts nobody knows that either and in fact we're making guesses
00:31:38.960
about the vaccine based on what we know about natural immunity um it's also silly because uh you
00:31:45.760
know they're saying well you can't be sure you have the antibodies just because you had covet you know
00:31:49.840
based on time whatever but professor's wiki has actual proof um you know in the form of these
00:31:55.680
antibody tests he's been getting regularly which should override any sort of general statements about
00:32:00.800
this so i don't understand you know i'm opposed to vaccine mandates at all um but they're particularly
00:32:07.760
ridiculous when somebody has um natural immunity there's just there's no conceivable reason not to
00:32:13.360
recognize it yeah you mentioned that you think pfizer might be approved by the fda the first thing
00:32:20.000
i tell people when they talk about these vaccines is that they are not yet approved none of them
00:32:23.680
are approved they're only uh authorized for emergency use i think that stuns people because
00:32:30.160
they assume they're approved they are not um now that may or may not uh happen and i'm i'm
00:32:36.320
worried that there will be corners cut for political reasons but i see the top story right now as we speak
00:32:42.080
on drudge report is that pfizer's vaccine the efficacy its ability has fallen to 42 percent uh
00:32:52.560
you know that we had been told that these virus that these vaccines were 80 90 percent effective
00:32:57.520
so i i think this whole thing is still a giant experiment and i'm not saying that the experiment
00:33:02.480
won't end well but i'm saying it certainly hasn't ended yet we're learning new things all the time
00:33:08.080
uh i and i know that politicians make things up to get themselves out of a jam i mean i don't know
00:33:13.600
if you know this but in canada our prime minister bought a ton of astrazeneca and then he switched
00:33:20.480
gears and so they pronounce that you can mix and match vaxes no problem when none of the companies
00:33:27.200
had tested for that none of them said so i know but that was the official view of the trudeau government
00:33:32.960
obviously to get him out of a jam because he bought so much of this one vaccine i i i feel like
00:33:38.400
everyone is guessing here and in the meantime the death rate has fallen so low why do we have to
00:33:45.280
continue to participate in the experiment if the threat is so low i have no idea i have no idea what's
00:33:51.760
going on and i think i say that every time i talk to you but we you know we they keep everything
00:33:57.040
changes every five minutes we're supposed to have these blood blind trust in these authorities
00:34:01.440
who can't get their story straight you know what it was one day if vaccinated people don't need
00:34:06.720
masks now they do then you know it's it's just it's very strange i really don't understand what's
00:34:15.440
going on when you look at the graph for instance i i live in dc i spend a lot of time in new york
00:34:21.120
everybody's panicking over this new york now has a new vaccine passport program which is even worse than
00:34:25.920
the one that they had this spring where you basically can't go anywhere public without a vaccine
00:34:30.800
passport now i mean if you look at the deaths the graphs of deaths and hospitalizations it's flat
00:34:35.920
it's nothing um not to mention that these vaccines seem to be um at the moment what seems the science
00:34:44.080
seems to say is that uh they're not very good at stopping transmission they seem to be good at
00:34:48.160
reducing severe symptoms so nobody should be concerned about anybody else getting the vaccine
00:34:53.280
if you want the vaccine get it if you don't want the vaccine don't get it and i'm sort of on a
00:34:57.680
personal note you know i've been very open about the fact i'm not vaccinated i had uh copen in
00:35:02.160
february this past february and i may have made a different decision if i hadn't but i'm feeling a lot
00:35:07.360
of enormous pressure really to get it and i really don't want to um i i know i don't need it and i worry
00:35:13.760
about some of these um you know effects especially for vaccinated sorry for people who have antibodies
00:35:19.680
so i really think what what is what society is doing to people is just horrendous yeah you know
00:35:26.000
uh israel which uh is peculiar in peculiar in that it vaxxed hard and fast and first and it's one of
00:35:34.640
the most vaxxed countries in the world in terms of protect percentage of people with one shot and two
00:35:40.960
shots i saw this story in the times of israel that they're now on their third shot like they've already
00:35:48.320
given an enormous number of third shots and yet the hospitals are filling up no not quite filling
00:35:54.960
up but there are many cases of hospitalizations with people with one two and even their third shot
00:36:01.520
so it feels like there's so much we don't know the essential promise of vax and you're back to normal
00:36:08.400
vax passport you're back to normal i think israel proves that that just isn't happening they're
00:36:14.320
looking at a very harsh lockdown so i i just feel like on the one hand you're going to have people
00:36:21.280
who felt they were tricked get the vaccine your life's back to normal on the other hand people
00:36:27.760
are on a treadmill now and they're used to oh just another two weeks just another two weeks just another
00:36:32.320
shot just one more season just one more lockdown and i'm worried that while some people will be
00:36:37.920
disillusioned other people you know it's like a dealing with a nigerian scammer on email oh this
00:36:43.600
time no i think they mean it i i think if i just send them a little more money they'll send me the
00:36:48.160
payoff i think people are psychologically so destroyed by this that they they're destroyed by
00:36:54.880
the this whole situation that they just have to believe in authority now or their whole world falls
00:37:00.640
apart i think these are dark days not because of a virus but because of man's response to the virus
00:37:06.960
i couldn't agree more with that and you know i've been saying from the beginning once we allow the
00:37:11.040
government into these you know most private aspects of our life from beginning with the lockdowns you
00:37:15.280
know whether you could associate with your family uh you know your friends um run your business send
00:37:20.480
your kids to school once you allow the government to start dictating those things um it never ends and
00:37:25.280
we're seeing it now it's not ending um and you know people who are vaccinated and who are or these mandates
00:37:30.560
should really think about what it's doing and another point um especially in new york a lot of
00:37:35.840
the unvaccinated people are actually minorities a lot of them don't want to get the vaccine for the
00:37:39.520
same reason i don't want to and professor zewiki doesn't want to which is that we have natural
00:37:43.280
immunity um and a lot of those people have natural immunity because they were out and about you know
00:37:48.560
cooking your takeout and delivering your meals and um all the other things that essential workers do
00:37:54.000
and now they're being shut out of society because they're not uh you know they don't want to get
00:37:57.520
the vaccine for good reason you know that's i'm so glad you raised that and i i know that's the case
00:38:04.000
in big cities like new york which is a very uh multicultural multiracial city i know that
00:38:10.800
statistically speaking cnn and the new york times like to say right wing fox voters are the least
00:38:15.600
likely to fox viewers are the least likely to get vaxxed actually in terms of sheer numbers i think it's
00:38:21.440
african americans i think it's black americans yeah and other minorities for the reasons you say
00:38:26.720
there are i mean and also let's not uh forget that there are political there's a political history
00:38:32.320
with vaccination i i mean i watched an interesting documentary about the smallpox uh epidemic in
00:38:38.080
montreal in the late 19th century when vaccines were rather new and they were really being pushed and
00:38:44.480
there was a bad dose and it made so many people sick there's people remember things like that and i'm not
00:38:50.560
i'm not saying that we should be anti-science and i'm not saying that we should be a mob
00:38:56.080
but but the tuskegee experiment where black men were injected by government with syphilis as part of
00:39:03.200
an experiment and lied to for years these things have a cultural memory and uh yeah and i think that
00:39:10.480
people with their own senses we don't see people dropping dead in the streets the deaths are statistically
00:39:16.960
smaller than we feared at the beginning and they're almost always people who are seniors who
00:39:21.680
have underlying conditions and frankly who are really fat and and so i just think that people
00:39:28.240
for whatever reason are are going to defy these and here's my question i know i'm rambling here janine but
00:39:35.200
you have a restaurant in new york city that has a vax passport okay so you're going to send away
00:39:41.600
wealthy young new yorkers who like to go out for a night but they're not allowed but you've also got
00:39:46.560
in the back of that restaurant a lot of new americans immigrants maybe some people who are illegal frankly
00:39:54.240
and are you really going to expect the restaurateur to enforce that vax rule against his own staff against
00:40:01.360
his own family even like i just it's turning restaurateurs and business people into secret
00:40:08.320
biomedical security cops i think that's part of this that's a good way of putting it yeah it's
00:40:14.400
it's really bizarre i mean we've just allowed it we've all we were living in some kind of weird
00:40:20.000
public health authoritarian regime where it's just constant you know and travel has become an absolute
00:40:26.640
nightmare um the masks and that you know if you go abroad testing and whatever vaccine passports is just
00:40:33.440
not a good situation we're in well what's it like in america i mean we're up here in canada
00:40:39.840
and to fly domestically in canada you have to wear a mask if you don't wear a mask you have to have a
00:40:46.240
doctor's note and that you have to be tested before you get on the plane but you don't need a vax passport
00:40:51.840
yet to fly domestically now it there's different rules for foreign travel what's it like in america can
00:40:58.560
you fly from new york to la without a test without a vax passport just put a mask on yeah right now
00:41:06.000
that's that's the current regime i know there are people pushing for uh for vaccine passports for
00:41:12.160
flights for domestic flights so we'll see what happens um seems you know what i what i suspect
00:41:18.480
might happen and it's probably the best case scenario is that i think there are going to be all sorts of
00:41:23.600
problems with these regimes people will start to see the disparate impact they're going to realize what
00:41:27.520
if your app doesn't work that day or you know whatever all of a sudden you can't get on your
00:41:31.600
flight or it's just there's going to be too many problems with implementing it i think um and maybe
00:41:37.040
they'll go away for that reason but that is the best case scenario in my opinion i mean for me uh the idea
00:41:44.400
that any clerk any bouncer really could demand that private information from me because really if you have
00:41:51.760
a vax passport for every place every service you you are effectively telling your private
00:41:58.400
health situation to any you know officious intermeddler any busy body i mean it reminds me of
00:42:06.480
you know you go to a nightclub and the bouncers who have so much power so much capricious power over you
00:42:15.120
just because you really want to get into this hot nightclub or hot restaurant and and you have to
00:42:21.200
bend the knee if you want to go in i'm not just talking about my sad teenage years here janine
00:42:27.040
but uh but imagine if you couldn't just walk away and say yeah no thanks i don't need to go into this
00:42:31.600
bar all across the street what if every place you had to tell every scold every snitch uh like that really
00:42:40.560
is what the soviet lifestyle was like you had to show your papers to anyone with the badge who
00:42:45.760
demanded them i find this very sad yeah it is i mean it's it's the west has just become it's maybe
00:42:52.880
an extreme statement in some people's opinion i think it's safe to say the west has just fallen
00:42:56.720
this is not this is not a free society um and i uh i personally found the last couple of weeks very
00:43:03.360
difficult i uh you know i've been saying from the beginning that once we allow this to happen we it might
00:43:09.440
not end we have to be very worried about that but i did have some hope in may and june um things were
00:43:14.160
really better in a lot of the blue cities the masks had gone away it didn't look like vaccine
00:43:18.400
passports were happening new york actually did away with theirs and then um over the last two weeks
00:43:23.520
mask mandates came back indoors all over the place we're seeing these vaccine mandates spring up in
00:43:28.400
cities new york just suddenly re-implemented theirs i suspect dc will where i live will follow suit um
00:43:34.480
and it's it's very depressing well i'm sorry you're depressed and i'm depressed on these things too
00:43:41.520
but i think that you as a civil liberties lawyer and us here in canada as a civil liberties oriented
00:43:48.960
news outlet we have a special duty and and by working on this problem i find it a form of
00:43:56.880
i don't know emotional therapy the fact that i feel like my work can help fix the problem the trouble
00:44:02.800
is you can't separate your own work from the world and so there's no time off because everywhere you
00:44:07.440
look but let's end on a more hopeful note and by the way i salute you and i admire the new civil
00:44:11.840
liberties alliance as i said last time you were on uh i'm glad we have a new civil liberties alliance
00:44:16.880
because the old civil liberties alliance has gone into hiding on all this stuff but i saw a press
00:44:21.280
release a couple weeks ago tell me if i'm remembering wrong i think it was the american postal workers union
00:44:28.640
said that they're not interested in vaccine requirements i think i got that right of the
00:44:35.120
postal workers union and there are some like i i hear joe biden's talking about making the entire
00:44:42.640
federal workforce vaxxed and i know that some of those unions are responsive to their members and some
00:44:48.640
of those members you know they're maybe they have the courage of numbers i mean that's really
00:44:54.000
what a lot of unions were built on maybe there will be some opposition uh in quarters that we
00:45:00.800
didn't expect not just quote right-wing quarters but like if these big public sector unions say yeah
00:45:08.080
no our members don't want to be forcibly vaxxed maybe that's a twinkle of hope what do you think of that
00:45:13.840
about that could be we'll see what happens i mean i think uh in blue cities it's gonna be tough right
00:45:24.000
well listen it's great to catch up with you um you're one of the good guys fighting this battle
00:45:29.200
i know on the west coast harmy is fighting and fighting it i wish there were a hundred lawyers
00:45:34.480
in america because so much is determined that way i do see little green shoots of hope i see some
00:45:40.400
school boards being taken to task by parents about masks of course florida's governor ronda
00:45:45.200
santa seems to be holding the line i i should report to you that north of the border there's
00:45:50.640
very little dissent on this there's one province called alberta that so far has lifted all lockdown
00:45:56.800
rules including mask mandates but there are some companies for example that insist on them i hope to
00:46:02.080
keep in touch with you in the weeks and months ahead because alas we are going to be in this for a
00:46:06.160
very long time great to see you again we are indeed thank you so much for having me all right it's our
00:46:11.120
pleasure there you have a janine younis a lawyer with the new civil liberties alliance who is taking
00:46:16.960
george mason university to court on behalf of a professor who's actually being threatened with
00:46:22.480
firing because he won't take a vaccine even though he's naturally immune stay with us more
00:46:36.160
hey welcome back on my show last night don writes hi ezra i just finished watching tonight's show
00:46:45.280
and i'm very disappointed that you mentioned the ppc and derrick sloan's new true north party
00:46:50.400
but ignored the maverick party i like maxime bernier and derrick sloan however a national
00:46:55.120
party is never going to be able to advocate successfully for a better deal for western canada
00:47:00.080
because they have no hammer to back it up the reform party learned that a long time ago when
00:47:04.640
they made the mistake of voting to expand in eastern canada the 1991 assembly in saskatoon i
00:47:09.440
was there and voted for it it is unlikely that sloan will be able to get his new party organized in
00:47:14.880
time to run candidates in this intermittent election if you were paying closer attention to what is
00:47:20.720
happening on the ground in western canada you would know there is a far greater likelihood of some
00:47:25.200
maverick candidates getting elected than ppc i emailed you a week and a half ago and suggested you
00:47:31.040
interviewing jay hill i got no response from you and no interview with jay hill has materialized
00:47:36.080
as a long-time subscriber you at least owe me a response well don thank you for writing and i'm
00:47:41.120
sorry i didn't write back to your earlier letter uh forgive me i i don't have enough hours in the
00:47:46.160
day to write back to every letter and i apologize because i know you're a subscriber and a supporter
00:47:50.960
i accept your criticism and um we did do a video sheila interviewed jay hill and we did publish that
00:47:59.920
a while back but maybe we should talk to him again and i know what you say is true because i've seen
00:48:03.920
some polling that shows the maverick party is further ahead in some writings in the west than
00:48:09.600
the ppc and certainly then derrick sloan's new party that i don't even know is registered if it's
00:48:14.000
registered yet so i think you're right i think that's a little bit of the toronto centricity
00:48:19.920
creeping in i'm out here in exile in toronto and i suppose i don't hear the maverick party brought up
00:48:25.120
in in regular conversation because it's not a factor out here but i think you're right and
00:48:30.480
i will encourage our alberta team in particular and we have some reporters in vancouver as you know
00:48:37.120
and we're going to grow in the west a little bit more i'm going to encourage them to keep an eye
00:48:41.120
peeled on the maverick party and to give them the time of day too so i'm grateful for your letter
00:48:46.160
and um i think you're right there is a chance that the maverick party could poke through
00:48:52.080
in in a riding let's say in rural alberta where people are just sort of fed up with both the federal
00:48:58.640
liberals and the federal conservatives i have to say though that i am depressed about this whole
00:49:05.520
election and the fact that the conservative party of canada is not very conservative anymore
00:49:10.800
and i believe that the fights we're in are much larger than partisan disagreements they go to our
00:49:16.400
very culture and society and i believe in civil liberties on that pessimistic note let me say good
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night thank you for watching and until tomorrow keep fighting for freedom