EZRA LEVANT ｜ Does China interfere in Canada’s elections, to benefit Trudeau？
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Did China interfere in Canada's election to help Justin Trudeau win re-election? And what will we do about it? Ezra Levenant and Bob Bresser break down the evidence of Chinese political interference in Canada s election.
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Hello, my Rebels. Interesting news about Chinese political interference in Canada.
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And even more interesting is Justin Trudeau's response. I'll play for you a couple of clips
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from his press conference today. Spoiler alert, you're a racist. Before we get to the show,
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your uncle. All right, here's today's show. Tonight, does China interfere in
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Canada's elections to benefit Trudeau? It's February 27th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
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Does China interfere in Canada's election to try to benefit Justin Trudeau? Well, there's actually
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really no denying that, that the answer is yes. Of course, they interfere. They interfere in elections,
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and they interfere the other 364 days a year, too. The bigger question is, does their interference
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make a difference? As in, does China actually alter our Canadian election results? Then the biggest
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question is, what are we going to do about it? I mean, we know Trudeau himself won't do anything
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about it, but will anyone else? Just some background. Trudeau loves China, not the Republic
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of China called Taiwan, not the Chinese people or culture or language or history or food necessarily,
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no. He specifically admires the basic dictatorship of the Communist Party of China.
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There's a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing
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them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say, we need to go green as fast as we
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need to start investing in solar. I mean, there is a flexibility that I know Stephen Harper must dream
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about of having a dictatorship that he could do everything he wanted. Just to remind you, I mean,
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I think I show you that clip at least once a month. Do you think that clip is played even
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once a year on the mainstream media? I bet that clip has not been played in five years on the CBC.
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But it's not just Trudeau's ideological admiration for China's dictatorship.
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He values them for other reasons, too, including obviously political reasons. There are now more than
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2 million Chinese Canadians. That is a huge voting bloc, especially in key cities like Vancouver and
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Toronto. Now, obviously not all Chinese Canadians are pro-communist China. Many love Canada precisely
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because it is not communist. I don't know if you recall, but there was a huge wave of Chinese
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immigration, including from people from Hong Kong who came over after the UK handed back that city
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to the communists in 1997. For 25 years, they might have seemed overcautious, but they were actually
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absolutely right, weren't they? Anyways, there are a number of electoral districts in Canada where
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the Chinese-Canadian vote is dominant. Richmond, BC, for example, and also Don Valley North, which is in
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the greater Toronto area. According to the 2016 census, it is one of the three most Chinese ridings in
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Canada by ethnicity. And its MP is a Chinese-Canadian named Han Dong. And he's a liberal. Okay, no problem.
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But it turns out that Han Dong, according to CSIS, Canada's spy agency, wasn't just a candidate for
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Justin Trudeau's Liberal Party. Turns out he was a candidate in Canada for the Chinese Communist Party.
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I mean, not literally, but he was their pick. They went to great lengths to get him elected as their man.
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Credit where credit is due, this news was broken by a mainstream media outlet. I guess once a year they go rogue
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and report on something that displeases Trudeau. So here's the report from Global News. Give them credit.
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Reliably read since 1993, scoring the Liberal nomination in Don Valley North has been harder than winning a general election
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recently. But instead of leaning on his connections as a former Ontario MPP, sources say Han Dong had help
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from the Chinese consulate in Toronto to become the 2019 Liberal candidate in the riding. Through a combination
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of CSIS documents and intelligence sources, Global News has learned the consulate allegedly sent two bus
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loads of Chinese-Canadian seniors to the Don Valley North Liberal nomination meeting. And those seniors knew
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who to vote for because Don's name was written on their arm. Sources also say CSIS suspected that
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Chinese international students with faked addresses were bussed in and told by the PRC consulate to support their
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preferred candidate if they wanted to maintain their student visa status. Dong denied allegations he was
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helped by Beijing, calling them false accusations that slander me and the community I represent.
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My nomination in 2019 was open and followed the rules. The Liberal Party of Canada echoed that nomination
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was open, adding Dong was elected by registered Liberals in a race that followed their national rules.
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Global News has not verified the allegations against Dong, but even if they are found true, political parties are
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private organizations and can set their own rules. Non-Canadians can vote in Liberal nomination races if they live in the
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This is Han Dong. I'm the Liberal candidate for Don Manly North.
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Dong won the nomination, but he still needed Justin Trudeau's stamp of approval to carry the Liberal banner in the
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suburban Toronto riding, one with a sizable diaspora of Chinese-Canadians.
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A senior intelligence official told Global News, CSIS shared their concerns about Dong in late September 2019
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during a classified briefing with senior Liberal Party staff who hold security clearances.
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In that meeting, CSIS urged them to rescind Dong's nomination. Despite the alleged warnings to his staff,
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Trudeau approved Dong's candidacy. During the election, a top Liberal organizer even warned Dong's team
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that he was allegedly a CSIS target, according to sources. Dong is still an MP today.
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Global News asked the Prime Minister's office multiple questions, including if Trudeau knew Dong was
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allegedly a CSIS target. But PMO didn't respond to any of our questions, saying there were so many
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factual inaccuracies that it wasn't possible to begin to answer any of them.
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The nomination was open and followed the rules. Well, I suppose because what they said happened wasn't
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really against the rules. Bussing in voters, threatening voters, that's not really against
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the rules, is it? The Liberal Party, no party would have rules like that. And that doesn't really answer
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the CSIS allegations though, now does it? CSIS shared concerns to senior party staff and the Liberals,
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urging them to rescind, but Trudeau personally approved it. Imagine that. Imagine how bad it would
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have to be for CSIS to, in the thick of an election, say, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is so bad,
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we've got to bring this to the attention of the Liberals. We've got to have Trudeau not sign the nomination
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and to be dismissed. How often does it happen? Do you think once every five years, once every 10 years
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that happens? But the Liberals didn't care. They just wanted to win. And frankly, I'm guessing there
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were other MPs in on it too, maybe even Trudeau himself. My favorite line was that the government
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refused to answer any of the questions. There were just so many inaccuracies they couldn't rebut even
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just one. So many inaccuracies, but they wouldn't say what they were. Well, Handong put out a response.
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He said, in part, I strongly reject the insinuations in media reporting that allege I have played a role
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in offshore interference in these processes and will defend vigorously against such inaccurate and
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irresponsible claims. And I will support all fact-based efforts from parliamentarians to
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investigate alleged offshore interference and, if called upon, look forward to refuting these
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anonymous and unverified allegations. Well, that's how far he was willing to go. But
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you know that Justin Trudeau can't give a press release with calling someone racist. And indeed,
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that's what he did. Here he is saying, there's nothing to see here. And if you dare ask questions
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about Chinese interference, that is proof that you are a bigot. One of the things we've seen,
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unfortunately, over the past years is a rise in anti-Asian racism linked to the pandemic
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and concerns being arisen around people's loyalties. I want to make everyone understand fully that Handong
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is an outstanding member of our team and suggestions that he is somehow not loyal to Canada should not be
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entertained. Much of what CSIS actually does in keeping Canadians safe involves protecting various
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diaspora communities from influence of authoritarian governments around the world. We will continue to
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make sure we are working with CSIS to make sure that as every MP serves their community, that they do so in a way
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that they are kept safe and that is true to the Canadian values and the Canadian principles that we all stand by.
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CSIS is active in fighting against foreign interference. And part of its tools for doing that
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is making sure that political parties and individual politicians are alert to the potential influences they
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may be faced with. That is something we will continue to work closely with CSIS on as we move forward.
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Because not just our democracy needs to be protected in an abstract way, but the individuals choosing to
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serve their communities who may be seen as greater targets for various countries need to be protected as
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well. And that's what we work with CSIS on. That one line there was really weird. Democracy needs to be
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protected in an abstract way. I don't even understand what that means. In fact, I think democracy needs to
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be protected in a concrete way. In the particular case of Handong, we need to know exactly what was going on there.
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Here's another clip of Trudeau today. Take a look.
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As you well know, in the run up to the 2019 election, Canadians had already seen from challenges to
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democracies like France or the United States, the role that foreign interference was potentially
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playing and a potential threat to our democracies. That's why in Canada in early 2019, we stood up
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both an intelligence task force and a high-level panel consisting of top public servants to be able
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to ensure that the integrity of our elections is not compromised by foreign interference.
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Good news, obviously, is that they determined that both in the 2019 and the 2021 elections,
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our election integrity held. That doesn't mean that we are not faced on an ongoing basis by attempts
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at interference in our democracies, both during and before and after and ongoing around the writ
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period and otherwise. That's why we're continually improving and learning how to better keep Canadians
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safe and to keep our democracy safe. After the 2019 election, which was the first time we stood up the
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panel, there were a number of recommendations that we moved forward on. And after the 2021 election,
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there was another report, this one written by Maurice Rosenberg, that has been released to both the
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government and to the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians. And I'm hoping that
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they're going to be launching a study on how best we can protect our democracy in the coming months.
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So it's not for the spy agency to make these decisions. It's for Justin Trudeau to weigh whether
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he really, really, really wants to win on the one hand, versus the fact that it could be a Chinese spy.
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Trudeau shows which side he's on. He's being honest.
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I saw this in the Globe and Mail. Let me read the headline to you. Former Trudeau advisors call for
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public inquiry into China's election interference. The Globe and Mail has been doing good work on
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this also. I find it unusual that I'm praising the mainstream media so much. Former Trudeau advisors
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call for public inquiry into China's election interference. Let me read a little bit. Two former
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advisors to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, as well as the leader of the New Democrats,
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say that a nonpartisan public inquiry into Chinese state-directed interference into the 2019 and 2021
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federal elections is warranted. Get this though. However, Ward Elcock, a former director of the
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Canadian Security Intelligence Service at CSIS, said he doesn't back such an inquiry because national
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security restrictions would mean that important testimony would have to be conducted in secret,
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and many of the details and evidence could never be revealed to Canadians. As in,
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he's saying it's so much worse than you even know. Most of those hearings are not going to be
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public, Mr. Elcock said in an interview with the Globe and Mail on Sunday.
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You know, I would like to know what's in the public domain, but I think just like the
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Trucker Commission of Inquiry, the important stuff would be kept secret. But there was another
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person interviewed in the Globe and Mail story. Richard Fadden, another former CSIS director who
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was national security advisor to Mr. Trudeau, told the Globe on Saturday that an inquiry would provide
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an objective examination to determine how extensive China's interference operations have been.
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I believe that a public inquiry is necessary because of the importance of the issues raised,
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in the sense that few issues more directly affect our sovereignty than having another state interfere
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with our democratic process, Mr. Fadden said. This next one caught my eye.
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Gerald Butts, who was Mr. Trudeau's principal secretary until he resigned during the SNC-Lavalin affair in 2019,
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said Sunday that he too thinks a non-partisan inquiry is necessary to look at the broad spectrum
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of foreign interference and not just China's activity.
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Butts is for an inquiry. I wonder if he thinks he's going to be able to pick the judge
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like the liberals picked Paul Rouleau as the judge for the Trucker Commission.
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I'm almost done. Mr. Trudeau ruled out a public inquiry on Friday as requested by former
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chief electoral officer Jean-Pierre Kingsley. Mr. Kingsley said an independent inquiry is necessary
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because Beijing-directed interference operations in leaked secret and top-secret thesis reports,
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which were viewed by the Globe, threatened to undermine confidence in the electoral system.
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He said Canadians must be able to trust that the electoral process is not being tampered with by a
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foreign government. Mr. Trudeau said he was satisfied with the examination of Chinese interference
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operations now being conducted with the Commons Committee on Procedure and House Affairs. But
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Mr. Fadden said its work will be hampered because of partisanship and lack of access to secret
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intelligence reports. Well, that's why Trudeau likes them. Remember this liberal MP the other day saying,
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if you even ask about it, well, then you're just a Trump-like conspiracy theorist. Remember this?
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The information that has been reported in the media is extremely serious, but it's something that has never
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been denied by the fact that these reports have been tabled in the House of Commons. This is sadly not
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new information. The only thing that's new is the conservatives, I guess, are not happy with the other
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business that PROC is doing. And they simply want to only talk about this because they have one candidate
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in particular that they feel this has been affected by. But foreign interference isn't about one candidate
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or 11 candidates. It's about Canadian institutions. And this is the same Trump-type tactics to question
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election results moving forward. But what I'm curious about was where were the conservatives after 2019?
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Where were they in 2020, 2021? And now only now they're raising it in 2023? This information has been
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tabled time and time again. It's something that all Canadians should be united about and non-partisan
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about making sure our institutions are strong. But it only seems to be topical when conservatives
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feel that it's to their political benefit. Yeah, I wonder if she'll be named to head the public inquiry
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by Justin Trudeau. Look, in a way, Handong is not the threat. He's a backbench MP from the greater
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Toronto area. There's a ton of liberal MPs in front of him in line for a cabinet position.
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Handong is not the threat. He's a symptom of the threat. The problem, the threat,
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is Justin Trudeau, a man who would dismiss Assisi's warning and say he doesn't care. Then a man who would
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say, this is a political decision for me to make, not a security decision. Hey, let me leave you with one
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thought on Justin Trudeau and communist China. Remember I pointed out before that when that
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American magazine published the Trudeau blackface photos, other Canadian media rushed to publish
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photos they already had in hand, but just ideologically chose not to publish because
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they were protecting Trudeau. The CBC, Global News, they had their own pictures that they were holding back.
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Same thing with the case of Rose Knight, the reporter in Creston, BC, that Justin Trudeau
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sexually assaulted. That information was out there for a long time before one journalist asked about
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it in public. So let me ask you, given how little vetting the mainstream media has done on Justin Trudeau,
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especially on issues that could put him in enormous trouble, almost blackmail him, whether it was
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drug use or sexual interference with women, those issues have been almost completely unreported.
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And when they were reported, you saw that other media had facts on hand.
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Do you doubt that the Communist Party of China, do you doubt that the dictatorship of China
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has the complete file on Justin Trudeau? Not only things that they themselves dug up, but things that they
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were hacked. Do you doubt that China has absolutely terrifying blackmail material on Justin Trudeau?
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I'd believe it. And it sure would explain a lot of things, wouldn't it? Stay with us for more.
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Well, are you allowed to have a protest that blocks a street, that blocks a parliament building? Well,
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the obvious answer is, depends on who you are. You might recall that for months, railroad tracks in
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Canada were blocked by I don't know more and a lot of Antifa types. And that was just fine by the powers
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that be. Black Lives Matter was allowed to protest in the middle of the lockdowns. In fact, Justin Trudeau
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himself turned out for the protest that would have been illegal if it were done by you or me or,
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say, a Christian church led by Arthur Pawlowski. No gathering was the rule, except if you were a
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favored class. And of course, the biggest case is the truckers who were the cause of the invocation
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of martial law. And of course, peaceful protesters like Tamara Leach, put in prison for 50 days for
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not exactly sure what. Well, I mention that because here comes the sun of the trucker rally. It won't
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have as much grassroots support. It'll be an artificial constructed protest, but police aren't shutting
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it down. They're rolling out the red carpet. And that's because it's a left-wing protest. And
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no one other than David Suzuki is their father figure. Joining us now via Skype is our friend
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Sheila Gunn-Reed, our chief reporter, who has all the details. Now, Sheila, I was told
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the protests that shut down parliaments, that shut down roads, I was told that was a national emergency
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that required riot horses. What is this protest that's coming up at the Victoria legislature that's
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going to shut down roads and have a police response to protect them?
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Yeah, this is an environmentalist protest. And it's against old growth forest logging. And David
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Suzuki, that creation of the CBC fruit fly geneticist who rebranded himself as Canada's leading
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environmentalist, he's in this like a dirty shirt. But I am, as you are as well, reliably informed that
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blocking roads and causing traffic snarls amounts to terrorism in this country. And I don't think
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these environmentalists have the skills that truckers do, the logistics skills that truckers do
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to ensure that they will keep a lane of traffic open for emergency services vehicles, which is exactly
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what truckers did in Ottawa. I don't think that's going to happen here. And it's interesting to watch the
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news coverage of this or follow along with the news coverage of this, because it's very clear that
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even when they try to do straight journalism, you can tell what side they fall down on. For example,
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CTV news from Vancouver Island, they note, and it's clearly a warning to the people who plan to
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participate in this, additional police officers and surveillance cameras will be deployed downtown
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for the duration of the protest. So what are they telling those people? Hide your identity if you
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don't want to be discovered. I wonder if it'll be sort of your hippie eco-protesters,
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and there's a ton of them on Vancouver Island, or I wonder if there'll be any Antifa style black block,
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which is that style where they cover themselves head to toe in black, they obfuscate or obscure their
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faces so they can't be identified. Do you think this is going to be a peaceful rally? I mean,
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Victoria is generally a laid back marijuana kind of town where people are going to be peaceful.
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Do you think it's going to be violent? Do you think there's no point in being violent? Everyone
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there is on the same side, the media, the NDP, and the protesters. Really, it's just
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one big harmonious, you know, attaboy. Yeah, I don't know what they're protesting.
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I really don't know what they're protesting because everybody's on the same side here. So yeah,
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even if black, blonde, anti black block and Antifa and anarchists show up,
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there's no need to get violent because it's just a bunch of people agreeing with each other.
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And it's interesting, again, to watch the media coverage of this, because as you know,
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the environmentalist movement in this country is largely funded from outside of the country.
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Money comes from San Francisco through environmentalist mega charities. And I
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I recall that some of that money for the anti fracking movement is alleged to have come from
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Russia as market share protection for their state company Gazprom. And so you're not hearing a lot
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of saber rattling from the media about how this is a foreign funded protest. But boy, they were sure
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looking for Russians under the hood of every truck that was in Ottawa.
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That's a great point. You know, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who was the former head of NATO,
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said that Russian money was behind the anti fracking activism in Europe. And he said it makes sense,
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obviously. That's how they got their market share by scaring Western countries to shut down their own
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natural gas so Russia could sell them theirs. I don't know. I think that that's obviously the
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case in Canada. It's not even hidden. If you look at where the Suzuki Foundation gets its money from,
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I haven't looked in a couple of years. But last time I looked at their income statement, they get about
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a million dollars a year from foreign meddlers. So these are not organic protests. They're not
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individuals making the choice to protest as the truckers were. They're not volunteer protests as
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the truckers were. These are professionally stage managed, bought and paid for foreign funded
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actions. And it's funny because you mentioned Justin Trudeau briefly. We've seen the interference in
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our elections from the government of China. Here's interference in our economy, but from who knows
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where Canada is a manipulated country where rich and powerful foreigners interfere with our
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democracy. And the only time I've ever heard the establishment talk about it was the absurd
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allegation that the truckers were being organized by Vladimir Putin. They never talk about actual
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interference by China or Russia to hurt our country. Yeah, that's literally the like the trucker
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movement was completely, as you say, organic grassroots people who were at a breaking point.
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And the catalyst for them was the completely unscientific cross-border vaccine mandate.
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And those were the foreign funded radicals. And they were accused of that without any proof
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by the CBC. And that was often repeated over and over again to the point where it is just an accepted
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fact. But it's it is the complete misinformation about the convoy. And I talked about David Suzuki
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a little bit earlier because he has been out gathering up support for this this protest.
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And he called the trucker convoy. He he's, you know, rounding up supporters, actual anarchists to support
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his anti logging movement. But he's the guy who is calling the truckers anarchists when,
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in fact, it was the truckers who were wanting the rule of law to be applied for the Constitution
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and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms to be accepted. It's just bizarre how upside down
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everything is and how gaslit the public is by this sort of liberal media environmentalist complex.
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The thrust now. You go down to the corners in Vancouver now. There are signs. Recall EB. Have
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you seen that? This is the it's a legacy of the truckers, the anti-vax movement, all of this stuff.
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And when you confront them, it's about freedom. Freedom without responsibility. It's not freedom. That's anarchy.
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And that's a rejection of society. So understand. We have a relationship that gives us responsibilities.
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And the problem we face today is that we have been very recently come out and removed ourselves from
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a web of relationships to thinking we live in a pyramid where we're at the top and everything down below is for us.
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And even when you hear, you know, we have forgotten that we are one animal species. We live on the surface
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of the land. We know nothing about what's in the oceans that cover 70% of the planet. And yet we've invaded.
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Over 85% of the oceans have already been invaded. We have taken over the land, which is our area of living.
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Yeah. You know, I'd have to look into it. I don't believe this. I think that the NDP government
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in British Columbia is so anti-development. Who knows? Maybe they have allowed some forestry to
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continue. I mean, a lot of those are unionized jobs. And there are some things
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upon which the NDP says, well, maybe labor ought to work. It's sort of in the word labor.
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Um, but I think this is just, you know, the foreign pay masters want the puppets to dance.
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So the puppets will dance. We'll see. Be interesting to see, uh, who exactly shows up.
00:29:40.840
Sheila, great to see you again. And thanks for the update. You've been, you've been watching David,
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uh, Suzuki for years, including the book you wrote about him.
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Yes, I did. The book is called the case against David Suzuki and unauthorized biography. And I
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wrote it back in 2018 to ruin his very special day. You see, David Suzuki was being given an
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honorary degree from the university of Alberta. And I thought it was incumbent on me to tell the
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story of who and what David Suzuki really is. He's an absolute creation of the CBC. He's a hypocrite
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and a bit of a weirdo. Uh, he's someone who has said that there are too many people on the face
00:30:18.760
of the earth. He's a depopulationist, but he's got five kids of his own. He's somebody who says
00:30:23.880
the oceans are rising, but he lives on the beach. And you know, he, he's got a property in Australia,
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so you can't fly, but he can circumnavigate the world to get to his vacation property in Australia.
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And there's some other weird behavior about insisting that he has young female security guards
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when he speaks on university campuses, the things the mainstream media won't tell you the book is
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still on Amazon. It was a bestseller and it did indeed ruin his big day when he was getting his
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honorary degree from a university that graduates. A lot of people who go on to work in the technical
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engineering parts of the oil and gas industry. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that day. It was a disgrace
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for the U of A to give that to him. Sheila, keep up the fight. Great to see you.
00:31:08.120
I will. Thanks boss. All right. There you have it. Sheila Gunn-Reed, our chief reporter.
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Your letters to me. Nelson says, hi Ezra. When it comes to the AFD member of the European
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parliament, I couldn't agree more with her opinions on Paliyev, Trudeau and Islam. She's not afraid to
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challenge the default narrative, which is always established by the left. And that's a key reason
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why freedom loving individuals are always battling in total disadvantage against the
00:31:43.640
established rules of engagement. The language has to be taken from the left, but that needs courage.
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That's a very difficult trait of character that the leader of the CPC seems to lack given his track
00:31:54.280
record of silence and complicity whenever fundamental questions such as the support for the freedom
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convoy arise. I'm originally from Cuba and many of my fellow Cuban Canadians seem to expect 180 degree
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foreign policy change toward the Cuban regime. My suspicion is that someone who never raised the
00:32:09.720
issue of aligning Canada to the U.S. sanction vis-a-vis the regime in about 20 years as MP will not muster
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the courage to go against the status quo, which is the embargo hurts the Cuban people and only serves
00:32:20.440
to radicalize the regime. All the best from a long time follower. Well, thanks very much. Listen,
00:32:25.800
Christine Anderson has some very tough beliefs when it comes to Islam. And you heard her say that in
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answer to Alexa Lavoie's questions. She takes Heert Wilders' point of view, he's the Dutch politician,
00:32:38.120
who says that any religion is a belief system, a philosophy, an ideology. And thus any belief system,
00:32:44.280
any religion can be criticized. And Christine Anderson, like Heert Wilders, criticizes Islam. They won't say
00:32:52.680
things like, I respect Islam. They certainly won't say, I like Islam. They don't like it. And they draw
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a distinction between criticizing an idea and criticizing people. And they're always quick to
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point out they're not against Muslims who are people. They're against Islam, which is a belief
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system. That's one point of view, but it's fairly hard line. And I can understand why that might make
00:33:12.920
Pierre Polyev uncomfortable. There's more than a million Muslim Canadians, many of whom take the
00:33:18.280
Koran and Islam quite seriously. Another point of view, which is more pragmatic perhaps, is that of
00:33:25.240
Daniel Pipes. I mentioned this on Friday. Pipes says the problem is radical Islam and the solution
00:33:31.160
is moderate Islam. Because there's a million Muslims in Canada and a billion or more around the world,
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they're not just going to stop being because you don't like them. How can one remove the radical parts,
00:33:43.320
the extreme parts and the violent parts, and strengthen progressive or moderate Islam, including
00:33:49.800
the role of women, treatment of other religions? That's a big question that won't be answered soon.
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But Christine Anderson and MPs like her in the European Parliament are able to express themselves there.
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And I think that the problem was Pierre Polyev overreacted. I think he poured fuel on the fire.
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And I think he turned it into both a racism scandal for the party that would have been ignored otherwise.
00:34:18.680
And he undermined support from people who really look up to Lesley Lewis and the other MPs that
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Polyev condemned. I think it was mishandling, a tough situation perhaps, but I think it was mishandled.
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And the choice of language used by Polyev. I don't believe Polyev wrote the condemnation.
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I believe it was written by a staffer. It could have been written by Justin Trudeau.
00:34:43.240
Sonny says, Hiya, Ezra. I love you, but I think you're wrong about Diagalon. I really doubt that
00:34:48.840
they are paid by the liberals. You may as well say that danger cats are paid by the liberals.
00:34:53.000
As SDA Kate says, mischief is important. I know you're a serious fellow, but people need non-serious
00:34:58.280
things too. I love everything about you and the rebels do. You're my hero,
00:35:01.640
but lighten up a little brother. Love from the USA. Well, thanks for all the love. I really appreciate
00:35:05.960
that. But look, there's no doubt that that Diagalon and their flag and their goofy homemade salute,
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I don't doubt that they could well be a prank or a send up. But that's an inside joke that no one else
00:35:22.920
gets. And that picture of Christine Anderson with that weird salute in front of the Diagalon flag,
00:35:29.800
that was published extremely widely. And no one got the joke, other than maybe one or two people who
00:35:37.000
were in on it. And Christine Anderson, again, you saw her telling Alexa, well, that was a joke,
00:35:41.480
and we're joking. If no one knows it's a joke, and you're not there to tell them it's a joke,
00:35:47.400
and all they see is you doing some weird salute with a weird flag that looks faintly fascist,
00:35:52.040
the joke's not pretty funny. And that's why I think that the Diagalon was a creation of the left.
00:35:58.920
There's not enough real hate or extremism in Canada, they have to gin it up. I bet it'll turn
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out that that was a false flag. Just like the Heritage Front, it later turned out, was run by CSIS.
00:36:11.400
Grant Bristow, the Heritage Front, sorry, which was an anti-Semitic group, their leader was a CSIS
00:36:18.200
agent. Because there just wasn't enough real hatred in Canada to please the hate police.
00:36:24.920
DC McIntosh says, remember the European Parliament Christine Anderson called out PM Trudeau's actions
00:36:30.920
in a clear manner and is to be applauded for it. However, when she said, I do not consider Islam to
00:36:35.160
be a religion, she was wrong. It clearly is. And while aspects of it are open to valid criticism,
00:36:40.440
denying the faith of so many as theological and political suicide.
00:36:43.080
Pauliev was right in saying it would have been better if she had not visited. Let's not give Mr.
00:36:49.640
Trudeau any ammunition in saying the right are purveyors of Islamophobia. Well, that's the point
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I was making earlier, which is she said, I don't believe or respect or like the ideology called Islam.
00:37:04.040
And that is a hard thing for anyone to take. If they're Muslim, of course, it would be a hard thing
00:37:09.560
for Christians to take, even though it said quite a lot there. I mean, anti-Christian bigotry is
00:37:14.680
rampant. It's the official religion is anti-Christianity, I think. And again, Pierre
00:37:21.240
Pauliev wants to win the next election. He was probably frustrated that this unforced error was
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made. But my contention is, although Christine Anderson goes further than Canadian conservatives
00:37:34.040
would in dealing with Islam, I think that this was a tempest in a teapot that was being pushed only
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by two people, Warren Kinsella of the Liberal War Room and Brian Lely of the Doug Ford War Room.
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And it wasn't until Pierre Pauliev's staff overreacted that it flared up. That's my view.
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Well, that's our show for today. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World
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Headquarters, to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.