Trump and Ramaphosa get testy in the Oval Office, and a flashback to our documentary about the genocide of white farmers in South Africa. Plus, why Tommy Robinson should get the same justice as anyone else in the UK.
00:18:28.160This is very bad these are the these are burial sites right here
00:18:58.160burial sites over a thousand of white farmers and those cars are lined up to pay love on a Sunday morning each one of those white things you see is a cross and there's approximately a thousand of them they're all white farmers the family of white farmers and those cars aren't driving they're stopped there to pay respects to their family members
00:19:28.140who was killed and it's a terrible sight I've never seen anything like it
00:19:34.140both sides of the road you have crosses
00:19:40.140those people are all killed have they told you where that is mr. president no I'd like to know where that is because this I've never seen
00:19:59.140I don't okay I mean it's in South Africa that is an enormously long time to be made to watch a video and the room was packed with journalists from America and from South Africa and the entourage was large I saw there was one lady there who I saw her criticized online for smiling like she was laughing I disagree with those commentators I think that was a reaction of extreme stress
00:20:27.140yes I mean you're with a billionaire president the most powerful man in South Africa
00:20:33.140and Donald Trump is showing for six brutal minutes the threats of genocide violence mass murder by a member of the South African parliament the Julius Malema the head of the EFF party the economic freedom fighters what a lie that name is by the way the EFS only gets about 10% of the vote so they're sort of like South Africa's NDP but the mainstream of South Africa is so socialist that to be more extreme
00:21:02.140more extreme than the communist ANC and I'm not using the word communist as an insult I think it's fair to say the ANC party is communist so if that's the largest party imagine what the 10% most extreme party is that's that Julius Malema who chants kill the boar boar is of course the Dutch word for the Afrikaner white farmers who have been there for 400 years and that's another question is how long does a people have to be somewhere before they're called indigenous when South Africa
00:21:32.040Israel was settled by the boars 400 years ago it was quite empty compared to what it is now you've had an enormous amount of immigration including illegal immigration into South Africa for centuries to take part in the prosperous economy and relative safety and freedom of South Africa even during apartheid times it's hard to fathom but during apartheid there was mass entering of that country by other people from other countries in
00:22:02.020Africa who of course South Africa who of course South Africa who of course South Africa who of course South Africa was racist under apartheid but it was safer happier and more prosperous and even more free than the rest of Africa that tells you something incredible.
00:22:13.020So this group Julius Malema and his EFF chanting kill the boar they're serious and Ramaphosa himself who denied that they were part of his coalition government you have to give him credit it's true it would be like trying to hang the NDP around you know Mark Carney they're friendly but they're not in the same party but Ramaphosa himself goes almost as far.
00:22:37.060Here's a clip of him saying he believes in land expropriation which he means taking the land away from white farmers and he means it.
00:22:45.700This year we will take decisive action to realize the enormous economic potential of agriculture.
00:22:55.300And as agriculture requires land as agriculture needs land as a basic resource we will accelerate our land distribution program not only to redress
00:23:17.220a grave historical injustice but also to bring more producers into the agricultural sector and to make more land available to our people for cultivation.
00:23:31.500We will pursue a comprehensive approach that makes effective use of all mechanisms at our disposal guided by the resolutions of the 54th national conference of the governing party this approach will include the expropriation of land without compensation.
00:23:59.500It was an amazing ambush it was an ambush and Ramaphosa had brought some white people along with them and I say that because Ramaphosa kept talking about how they're white they're white they're white.
00:24:23.420He was trying to preempt Trump's accusations of racism but actually one of Ramaphosa's own delegations said yeah the kind of anti-white violence my own friends and family suffered by it.
00:24:39.040Yeah it is a battle to get the water out sometimes when all the equipment gets stolen all the time that you're trying to get the water out.
00:24:45.280So does your family and your brother do they feel safe on the farm?
00:24:48.280They live behind electric fences you know try and be at night safe but it is it is constant whenever you leave that that something could happen and
00:25:01.180You know both of them have been attacked in the houses my mom's been attacked in the house when she was 80 so it is it is difficult but you know the guys live a great life despite everything going on.
00:25:19.300Of course it happens of course there's anti-white racism there is all around the world there is throughout Europe there is in the racial grooming gangs in the UK where it's overwhelmingly Pakistani men raping working class white girls of course there's reverse racism if you want to call it that you're just not allowed to talk about it's like Christians being purged from Middle Eastern countries.
00:25:45.740Egypt used to be a Christian country can you even believe that Iraq Lebanon Bethlehem Bethlehem the Christians have been purged by whom well you're not allowed to talk about that I'll give you the answer by Islam or even the story of white Christian slavery did you know that there were more white slaves taken from Britain and Ireland and Europe taken to North Africa.
00:26:14.400Then there were black slaves sent to North America then there were black slaves sent to North America the white slave trade was actually larger than the black slave trade to North America now there was also other awful slave trades true but you're not allowed to talk about it you're not allowed to say that in any case can white people be a victim even in South Africa where they're murdered.
00:26:37.200It's fascinating to see the leftist response to the claim of white refugees and white genocide I mean you see it on TV you see it in Canada just a flat-out denial that there is such thing as a genocide of the Boers.
00:26:53.300We were on this story five years ago when Katie Hopkins worked with us we sent her to South Africa to do a documentary on Plasmore which is sort of the murder the mass murder of the Dutch farmers here let me play a clip of this you can find we recently re-uploaded this to our YouTube channel if you want to watch the whole documentary.
00:27:11.940Here's a taste of Katie Hopkins going to South Africa a few years ago.
00:27:18.940If you don't do what we are telling you to do we're going to rape your wife in front of you and kill her and rape even your children and this small wife.
00:27:26.940My husband was murdered in what they classify as a farm attack and they shot him in the head in front of us and he fell at my feet.
00:27:48.940In the last year there were roughly 84 farm murders.
00:27:56.940He took my arm like this and he showed me the way out.
00:29:09.940I mean, yes, there is a lot of black on black violence in South Africa, but the black on white violence is expressly racist.
00:29:17.940You don't need me to tell you that you saw the head of the EFF say it himself.
00:29:20.940It was incredible to see the unanimity of the media including in Canada saying there's no such thing as a genocide against the whites.
00:29:29.940I think Trump is what he says he is though and I think that's why people love him and I think that moment with Cyril Ramaphosa yesterday is something exactly Trump's voters wanted.
00:30:10.940And what I mean by that is he's not afraid to have foreign leaders in his office and he'll say exactly what is what's on his mind and calling out things that many people in politics and diplomacy just never would do.
00:30:23.940Compare him and his focus on white genocide with Mark Carney implying that Israel is committing genocide.
00:30:44.940Well, I know a little bit about South Africa, but not a ton.
00:30:56.940But one of our friends who follows Canadian and American politics very closely, who's actually from South Africa and keeps a close eye on his former homeland is our friend Joel Pollack, senior editor at large at Breitbart.com.
00:31:16.940It reminded me in some ways of the meeting between Donald Trump and Vladimir Zelensky, although that one I think was precipitated by Zelensky trying to pick a fight and scuttle a deal.
00:31:38.940The South Africans came with an ambush of their own.
00:31:40.940They came there, as they said, to correct Donald Trump's quote unquote misinformation about South Africa.
00:31:47.940They brought a delegation of four government ministers, one of whom was from the opposition Democratic Alliance, which is sitting in a coalition government right now.
00:31:57.940Really, the opposition should have two of the five if this was all just about the balance of parties.
00:32:04.940But the reason John Steenhayzen, the leader of the D.A. and Minister of Agriculture, was brought in is because he's white.
00:32:10.940And so Ramaphosa, the president, made that absolutely clear when he explicitly referred to him as a white minister in his government.
00:32:17.940Ramaphosa also referred to other people as white.
00:32:19.940They were the golfers and businessmen and other people he had brought with him.
00:32:24.940So Ramaphosa came with a bunch of white South Africans, and the purpose was to try to embarrass President Donald Trump and refute with these living human beings his charges of genocide and racial discrimination.
00:32:39.940But unfortunately for the South Africa, two things happened.
00:32:42.940Firstly, the Trump administration was prepared with the video evidence of racial incitement in South Africa.
00:32:48.940And the second thing was that some of the white South Africans that Ramaphosa had brought along agreed with Trump.
00:33:04.940And we don't know if we're going to be alive when we come back.
00:33:07.940And Trump said, that's not a way to live.
00:33:09.940And that is unfortunately the accepted reality for many South Africans, white and black.
00:33:15.940And there there is a problem with racial incitement against white farmers that comes from this political party, the economic freedom fighters and also the party, which is another radical racial Marxist party.
00:33:29.940And they are driving the fear that a genocide could take place in South Africa.
00:33:35.940Add to that the fact that Ramaphosa, who is supposedly business friendly, signed the Expropriation Act into law earlier this year that allows the government to take property without compensation.
00:33:45.940And you have the makings of a Zimbabwe style clearing out of white farmers.
00:33:52.940So Trump didn't invite Ramaphosa to the Oval Office to embarrass him.
00:33:57.940Ramaphosa tried to spring one on Trump and found that he himself was caught in a trap and the South Africans just weren't prepared.
00:34:04.940And this was on the heels of just a couple of weeks ago, about 50 or 60 Boers, those white farmers of Afrikaner descent, who were accepted to the United States as refugees.
00:34:15.940And it was such a contrast to see real refugees, women, children, waving American flags in gratitude versus the fake and fraudulent asylum seekers that we've been taught to assume as normal military age migrant men coming into America, Ireland, the UK, Canada.
00:34:34.940The reaction to both of those things, the reaction to having white farmers as refugees and the reaction to Trump's evidence.
00:34:46.940It was actual video of those EFF hate rallies and of some white farmers describing what happened to them.
00:34:53.940And yet both the refugees and the video evidence was met in the main by leftist media, mainstream media as not believing it, calling it a hoax, denying it and saying, well, that's not real refugees.
00:35:07.940Something was exposed there, not just in South Africa, but in the refugee media industrial complex, don't you think?
00:35:14.940Well, the American left needs to retain a sense that it's standing on the side of civil rights.
00:35:23.940So they need a class of oppressors as much as they need a class of victims and white South Africans for many decades have fit the bill.
00:35:33.940But the reality of life in South Africa, which is now 31 years after the end of apartheid, is quite different.
00:35:39.940And this idea that somehow refugees and people vulnerable to persecution have to be the poor, the downtrodden, et cetera, is a fallacy.
00:35:50.940When you look at groups that have been targeted for genocide, yes, they have been vulnerable, but often they've been seen as elite.
00:35:58.940The Tutsis in Rwanda were not the poorest people in Rwanda.
00:36:09.940That's not to say that only Tutsis were in that class, but essentially the Tutsis were singled out for being a privileged class, and that's why they were murdered.
00:36:18.940That's why a million of them were were completely slaughtered with machetes.
00:36:24.940And the same is true of Jews in Europe.
00:36:28.940In fact, you could probably say that most of the Jewish communities that were annihilated by the Nazis were poor communities, but they were targeted because they were perceived as an elite.
00:36:39.940The Nazis portrayed them as wealthy capitalists on the one hand and communist agitators on the other, but in each case, a kind of vanguard of some perceived version of evil.
00:36:52.940They were seen as an elite, and so they were targeted more easily that way.
00:36:56.940The people who are often victims of genocide are that kind of a group.
00:37:00.940They're not necessarily the most downtrodden.
00:37:03.940Now, the most downtrodden are vulnerable as well.
00:37:05.940And look what the Nazis did to the Roma, the gypsies, for example, in Europe.
00:37:09.940But generally speaking, elites are more frequently targeted than underclasses.
00:37:14.940And so the idea that people who are privileged because of their skin color and the imagination of Western liberals don't deserve refugee status means that we've learned nothing from the Holocaust.
00:37:26.940You can take down all the Holocaust museums and get rid of all the Holocaust education because the most educated people in our society don't think that people with pale skin who might have achieved some success in their lives are worthy of asylum.
00:37:40.940You know, it's clear to me that the whole refugee immigration industry is simply a political vehicle for the left.
00:37:47.940I think the last time the left opposed refugees were pro-America Vietnamese who were fleeing when that country fell.
00:37:56.940I think that was the last time I can think of when the righteous journalists amongst us were against immigration.
00:38:05.940What's interesting to me is that South Africa has been on the forefront of saying that Israel is genocidal.
00:38:14.940South Africa, and it's, you know, it had a UN conference on Islamophobia a few decades ago that was really the starter pistol for the denormalization of Israel.
00:38:24.940Recently, the international courts in Switzerland declaring Benjamin Netanyahu persona non grata.
00:38:32.940South Africa seems deeply invested in that.
00:38:35.940I think Trump's move sort of blunted that a little bit.
00:38:38.940It's one thing, perhaps South Africa is pointing at Israel as a genocidal country to distract from its own genocide.
00:38:45.940I don't know, what do you think of that theory?
00:38:47.940I think that the observation that South Africa is very sensitive about the charge of genocide is rather ironic and richly so, given what you pointed out, which is that they're accusing Israel of genocide.
00:39:03.940And Israel, unlike South Africa, was attacked by an army of radical Islamic terrorists bent on murdering as many people as possible.
00:39:10.940That didn't happen to South Africa, and yet they've undertaken what some people with greater plausibility argue is potentially a genocidal policy.
00:39:19.940I don't know exactly if the South Africans have put two and two together on that point.
00:39:26.940They seem to think that having a separate standard for Israel is perfectly acceptable.
00:39:31.940And, you know, the leaders of France, Canada, and I can't remember the other country.
00:41:21.940Other than titillating Anglo journalists in Canada, the US, the rest of the Anglosphere, does anyone in South Africa actually care what happened yesterday in the Oval Office?
00:41:36.940But even though South Africans knew that Ramaphosa had basically embarrassed himself, the South African media, which is very pro-government, kicked in and declared the visit to be a triumph.
00:41:47.940They thought it was great because Ramaphosa made the case that there's no white genocide, and he came home on a shiny airplane, and he really stuck it to Trump there.
00:42:04.940There is some concern in the South African media, and I think it's going to take them some time to fully digest what happened.
00:42:12.940But the fact is South Africa remains cut off from American aid, and the White House feels pretty confident that it has undermined the South African government's attacks on the United States and embarrassed the South African government.
00:42:26.940And the South African government has a job to do, which is to feed the people of South Africa, to keep them healthy, to keep the electricity going, to make sure people with an over 40% unemployment rate can start to find jobs.
00:42:38.940And it doesn't help when your priority is telling the President of the United States that he's wrong about something, rather than offering compromises that can actually lead to an agreement.
00:42:49.940I think among those in the know in South Africa, there's a sense of panic about what happened yesterday, and they're scrambling to find a way to connect again to the American administration.
00:42:58.940This was a wasted opportunity, and Ramaphosa decided that pleasing the media back home, who are essentially not that difficult to please because they always want to be in the government's good graces, pleasing those people was more important than serving the people of South Africa.
00:43:13.940I think in the long run, I think in the long run, it's going to undermine the government of national unity that exists in South Africa today.
00:43:20.940Ironically, it's going to make that government more vulnerable to the racial extremists who are demanding land without compensation and calling for killing the farmers.
00:43:27.940And it's going to hopefully present an opportunity for new leadership to emerge in South Africa that can unite opposition parties in a government that can boot the ANC and its racial cronies out of office and restore a true rainbow nation in a post-apartheid South Africa.
00:43:46.940I think we're not there yet, we're not even close, but I think yesterday's meeting was one step closer.
00:43:51.940I know you've got to go. Let me just ask you one last question.
00:43:54.940It seems to me in the world in 2025, it's not as unipolar as it was, say, 10 years ago.
00:44:02.940Yes, America remains the hyper-power, the biggest economy, the biggest military, all those things.
00:44:07.940But China is very much there, ready to fill any gaps left by America leaving a place.
00:44:15.940I mean, China is practically colonizing Africa from top to bottom.
00:44:20.940And, you know, it's one thing to push South Africa away, and I think Trump was correct in many things he did yesterday.
00:44:26.940But there's this BRICS group, Brazil, Russia, India, China, et cetera, that sets itself up as an alternative to the G7.
00:44:34.940There's the Chinese Belt and Road Initiative.
00:44:37.940China wants to have its spheres of influence much further away than just home.
00:44:42.940Is there a chance that if America has too much tough love towards South Africa, that China will say,
00:44:49.940we'll give you everything you ever wanted, and we won't humiliate you, we won't colonize you again?
00:44:56.940Like, is China strong in South Africa? Is it going to fill the gaps?
00:45:00.940I'll answer you by saying the same thing I said when you asked me about the new Canadian government, which is that it doesn't work.
00:45:22.940You can see already now there are policies on the Middle East.
00:45:25.940I mean, what success do you think a policy of ending the war in Gaza without disarming Hamas could possibly have?
00:45:33.940All it does is encourage future terror attacks.
00:45:36.940Likewise, with China in Africa, China is good at building infrastructure and so forth.
00:45:42.940Although the Chinese are terrible at maintenance, and many Chinese projects are hastily conceived to get into the good graces of African governments to get access to their natural resources, but they're not well maintained.
00:45:53.940The Chinese language is almost impossible for locals to learn and to read and write, and Chinese dominance in Africa has been generally bad for Africa.
00:46:06.940So on the surface, there are some accomplishments of Chinese colonialism, and the Chinese and other rogue nations are filling the coffers of African political parties in the ruling side of things.
00:46:19.940But in the long run, it doesn't work, and it's not even working in China.
00:46:22.940The Chinese economy is much more vulnerable to change than the American economy.
00:46:48.940When it comes to dominating manufacturing, the Chinese government has done a good job of directing Chinese industry.
00:46:54.940But once the conditions change, China is not very good at adapting.
00:46:58.940And I'm reminded, again, of the story of the Yom Kippur War, when the Arab armies around Israel attacked it on the holiest day of the year.
00:47:08.940And the Syrian army had better tanks than the Israelis.
00:47:45.940So they couldn't take advantage of the initiative that they had won with their surprise attack.
00:47:49.940And secondly, as high-tech as their tanks were with night vision and everything which the Israelis didn't have,
00:47:55.940the turrets of the Syrian tanks happened to be slightly taller than the turrets of the Israeli tanks.
00:48:01.940So when the Syrian tanks were coming up over a hill, the Israelis would see them first.
00:48:06.940And so they could fire at the Syrian tanks and knock them out.
00:48:09.940So there's this problem that authoritarian societies have with innovation, with delegation, and with the improvisation that is necessary for changing circumstances.
00:48:23.940You can take a beat-up democracy on any day of the week, and it might not look as attractive as a totalitarian society.
00:48:32.940The streets of Washington, D.C. might not be as nice as the streets of Beijing or Moscow.
00:48:37.940But I would take the democracy in the long run over the totalitarian society, as long as the democracy is run well and led well.
00:48:44.940That's always a big if. But I don't think that Chinese influence in Africa has a happy ending.
00:48:51.940And so when South Africans have said to me, well, if you don't like our policies, we're just going to go with China.
00:48:56.940My response is, go ahead. You know, your entire ideology is based on anti-colonialism.
00:49:01.940But if you want to be colonized by another civilization, try the Chinese.
00:49:06.940I assure you, it's not as nice as being colonized by the British.
00:49:11.940So good luck. And that always stops them in their tracks, because once you put it that way, they realize there really isn't an alternative.
00:49:19.940Even the South African ambassador who was expelled from the United States, Abraham Rasul, said that even with all the trade they're doing in China,
00:49:27.940the trade they're doing with China is China taking raw minerals from South Africa.
00:49:31.940The trade they're doing with the United States is selling manufactured goods to the United States like automobile components or even sometimes finished automobiles.
00:49:38.940So what's better for the development of South African industry, letting China dig up the raw minerals and leave or allowing Americans to invest in South African factories
00:49:48.940and then selling the Americans finished products that require South African labor and that train that South African workforce with skills that they can then use to start their own businesses.
00:49:59.940Obviously, the American trade is more beneficial.
00:50:02.940And even the most anti-American ambassador who called Trump a white supremacist leader understood that.
00:50:07.940So if you want to go with China, go ahead. But it doesn't work out well.
00:50:11.940Well, it probably works out well enough for China, which is of concern to me.
00:51:46.940The roads there, even though they're narrow because they haven't been widened like big American interstates, those narrow roads are still in pretty good condition in the Western Cape.
00:51:53.940In other parts of South Africa, there's more pothole than road.
00:51:56.940So you take those centers of excellence and you build on them.
00:52:08.940Well, thanks for joining us with your point of view.
00:52:10.940I was rooting for you to become the ambassador from the U.S. to South Africa.
00:52:15.940Maybe we should organize a rebel tour to South Africa, although I have to make sure I'm not going to get arrested at the airport.
00:52:20.940I am deeply hated in South Africa at the moment.
00:52:23.940The Mail and Guardian, which is one of the main left-wing newspapers there, blamed me personally for the impasse between South Africa and the United States, which is fake news.
00:52:32.940But that tells you something about my chances of getting out of there alive.
00:53:39.940Canadians need to steer newcomers towards Canadian values.
00:53:42.940You're talking about the astonishing case of an ambulance with a young boy in it being delayed four full minutes while largely foreign Hamas supporters break the laws in our streets.
00:53:54.940Yeah, I mean, I take your point about encouraging people to assimilate and integrate.
00:54:00.940But I think it's physically and socially impossible for two, three, four million people to integrate, especially if newcomers are now the majority in certain parts of the country.
00:54:11.940But more than that, I don't think foreigners who bring a hatred for our country.
00:54:16.940I'm not even talking about Israel anymore.
00:54:18.940Foreigners who come to our country, Canada, to hate it, who are not citizens yet, they should be sent home.
00:57:57.940But to me, there was a little flicker of hope.
00:58:00.940And here's why I'm saying that to you.
00:58:02.940You would think by watching the media, especially social media, that the whole world hates Israel and the whole world has gone mad for Hamas.
00:58:11.940You would think that the Israeli contestant, who is booed so much at the contest she has to practice in a room full of people shouting at her.