EZRA LEVANT ｜ Elon Musk destroys the BBC — and Justin Trudeau destroys another charity
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Elon Musk destroys the BBC. Justin Trudeau destroys another charity. And I have proof that Alexandra Trudeau is in the pay of the Chinese Communist Party of China. You're probably thinking, "Well, that's not true." Well, stay with me and I'll show it to you.
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Hello, my friends. Boy, I got a couple of great things I want to show you today. First,
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you've probably seen some clips of it on social media. Elon Musk versus a BBC reporter. What a
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bloodbath. Just incredible. I'll take you through three different video clips and explain why I
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think it's just incredible and so encouraging. And Elon Musk, he's not just one of the world's
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richest men. I think he's one of the world's smartest men. I really do. But then I want to
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talk to you about Alexandra Trudeau. And I have some proof, some evidence from his own mouth
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that he is a Chinese government asset. In fact, I'll prove it, that he is personally in the pay
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of the Chinese Communist Party. You're probably thinking, Ezra, that's not true. Well, stay with
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me and I'll show it to you. I'd like you to see it with your own eyes. I dug up an old video of him
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from seven years ago. It's in French. We have a translation of it. But I want you to see it.
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bills here. We don't get any money from Trudeau. You know that. All right, here's today's show.
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Tonight, Elon Musk destroys the BBC and Justin Trudeau destroys another charity. It's April 14th
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Hey, I want to talk to you about the latest scandal involving Justin Trudeau, his brother
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Alexandra, and of course, big cash from the Communist Party of China. But first, I just
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can't resist. I have to show you this exchange between Elon Musk and a BBC presenter. That's
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the British Broadcasting Corporation. It's not even important what the name of the BBC reporter
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is. I mean, he's what video gamers call an NPC, a non-player character. That's just some
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unimportant, interchangeable part of the backdrop. A cameo, really. It really is unimportant who
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he is because they're all this guy. But just watch this deliciousness. I'm going to show
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you four minutes. But I've never seen it done better. Take a look.
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I mean, I would only just add that, you know, we have spoken to people who have been sacked
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that used to be in content moderation. And we've spoken to people very recently who were
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involved in moderation. And they just say they just there's not enough people to police
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this stuff, particularly around particularly around hate speech in the company.
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What hate speech are you talking about? I mean, you use Twitter. Do you see a rise in hate
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speech? I mean, just a personal anecdote. Like, what do you do? I don't.
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Personally, for you, I would see I get more of that kind of content, yeah, personally. But
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I'm not going to talk to the rest of, for the rest of Twitter.
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I would say I would see more hateful content in that.
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Content you don't like or hateful? What do you mean to describe a hateful thing?
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Yeah, I mean, you know, just content that will solicit a reaction, something that may
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include something that is slightly racist or slightly sexist, those kinds of those kinds
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of things. So you think if something is slightly sexist, it should be banned?
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No, I'm not saying anything. I'm just curious. I'm trying to say what you mean by hateful
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content. I'm asking for specific examples. And if and you just said that if something is
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slightly sexist, that's hateful content, does that mean that it should be banned?
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Well, you've asked me whether my feed, whether it's got less or more, I'd say it's got slightly
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more. That's what I'm asking for examples. Can you name one example?
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I honestly don't. You can't name a single example.
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I'll tell you why, because I don't actually use that for you feed anymore, because I just
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don't particularly like it. A lot of people are quite similar. I only look at my followers.
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Well, hang on a second. You said you've seen more hateful content, but you can't name a
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I'm not sure I've used that feed for the last three or four weeks.
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Well, then how did you see that hateful content?
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Because I've been using Twitter since you've taken it over for the last six months.
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Okay, so then you must have at some point seen for you hateful content. I'm asking for
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Then I say so that you don't know what you're talking about.
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Yes, because you can't give me a single example of hateful content, not even one tweet, and
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yet you claimed that the hateful content was high.
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No, what I claim was there are many organizations that say that that kind of information is on
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the rise. Now, whether it has a my feed or not.
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And then, like, the Strategic Dialogue Institute in the UK, they will say that.
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I'm literally asking for a single example, and you can't name one.
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And as I've already said, I don't use that feed.
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You literally said you experienced more hateful content and then couldn't name a single
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And as I said, I haven't actually looked at that feed.
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Then how would you know there's hateful content?
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Because I'm saying that's what I saw a few weeks ago.
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No, I'm talking about the BBC's misinformation about COVID.
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I'm literally asking you about you change the labels, the COVID misinformation labels.
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There used to be a policy and then it then disappeared.
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Does the BBC hold itself at all responsible for misinformation regarding masking and side
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effects of vaccinations and not reporting on that at all?
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And what about the fact that the BBC was put under pressure by the British government to
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I am not a representative of the BBC's editorial policy.
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There were some other interesting things there, too.
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The NBC reporter was delighted by the fact that Twitter's not doing well.
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But actually, it sounds like it's getting on track again, like it might even be cash flow
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No, Twitter is roughly break-even at this point.
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And I think you've said before, you see a world where you could be in profit.
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I mean, depending on how things go, if current trends continue, I think we could be profitable
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or, I mean, to be more precise, we could be cash flow positive this quarter if things
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It's quite something to be lectured to by the BBC, which costs, I think it's three billion
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It'd be like someone at the CBC asking a private businessman about their finances.
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Yeah, not all of us get free government money, mate.
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And this is one of the parts I like the best about the exchange.
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You know, on Twitter, there's sometimes a blue checkmark.
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They call it a verification badge, which is you are who you say you are.
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And you can understand why that would be necessary for a celebrity or even a political figure
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If you have the blue checkmark, you are who you say you are.
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I have a blue checkmark and many others at Rebel News do.
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But it's not just for verifications, for validation.
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Because it was taken away from people as a punishment.
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How is taking away their verification a punishment?
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If they are who they are, don't you want the world to know?
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But Twitter would use the blue checkmark as a sign of status, not verification of your
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And of course, people loved their coveted blue checkmarks.
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I heard stories of people paid bribes to get them.
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But why shouldn't ordinary people be able to verify their identity?
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Well, Elon Musk absolutely delighted from the fact that there's a lot of pouting going on
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from blue checkmarks who no longer feel special because perhaps a blue checkmark wasn't earned
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If we're talking about the media, let's talk about verification labels.
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You obviously want to create another revenue stream that's subscription-based.
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Because we have a kind of a situation at the moment where the New York Times doesn't have
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Whereas anyone else who can pay whatever few bucks a month can.
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Is that what you envisaged when you bought Twitter?
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I must confess to some delight in removing the verified badge from the New York Times.
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But on a serious note, it could flame disinformation again if you have verified accounts that are
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They simply go up to potentially the top of feeds.
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And traditional media that may not pay for verification doesn't.
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Do you see how that could potentially be a driver of misinformation?
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Well, I mean, I think the media is a driver of misinformation much more than the media would
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Yeah, but you are sort of saying, like, who knows best?
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The average citizen or, you know, someone who is a journalist?
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And I think in a lot of cases, it is the average citizen that knows more than the journalist.
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In fact, I mean, very often when I see an article about something that I know a lot about,
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and I read the article, and it's like, they get a lot wrong.
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And, you know, sort of the best interpretation is there is someone who doesn't really understand
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what's going on in the industry, has only a few facts to play with, has to come up with an article.
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It's going to be, you know, it's not going to hit the bullseye.
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Okay. So then, like, generally, this is how I explain this to other people.
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If you read an article about something that you know about, how accurate is that article?
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Now, imagine that that is how essentially all articles are.
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They're an approximation of what's going on, but not an exact situation.
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So if somebody is actually, let's say, in the fray or like an expert in the field and was actually there
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and writes about their experience of being actually there, I think that actually, that's, in a lot of cases,
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going to be better than a journalist because the journalist wasn't there.
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I mean, I know in my life when I have firsthand experience of something and then it's in the news,
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I always notice errors. Sometimes they're small and accidental. Sometimes they're large.
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Elon Musk is the center of so much news that he surely every day encounters stories where he was
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at the center of the thing that was reported. And he says almost every time they get it wrong,
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he says that ordinary people know better. Now, I don't think he means a random ordinary person,
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but I think he means if you crowdsource your information, you're going to find a better expert.
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I don't know if you remember when Dan Rather falsely broadcast that George W. Bush,
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some documents involving George W. Bush, and he showed them. And it was an ordinary viewer who said,
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hey, I know a lot about typefaces and fonts and typography. And that alleged document was made
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with WordPerfect, not a typewriter 40 years ago. And that's what I mean by crowdsourcing intelligence.
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And I think that's what Elon Musk means also. I love the exchange. You can watch the whole thing
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online if you want. I think it was the best thing I've seen on British TV since the slaughter
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of Kathy Newman versus Dr. Jordan Peterson on Channel 4. It was an extended interview. I still remember it
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like it was yesterday. I want to show you a highlight reel. There's a little bit of editorial
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license, an artistic license taken in this editorial reel. But you might remember the exchange.
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Kathy Newman was flummoxed again and again by George W. Actually, there's so many different
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clips. I'll just show you one of them. He would say something very reasonable. And then she,
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wanting to debate a straw man, would say, so you mean to say and then describe it in the most
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bizarre way possible? And this one, it was just golden TV. Anyway, here's just a quick clip to remind
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you about what that was. Let me move on to another debate that's been very controversial for you.
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And this is, you got in trouble for refusing to call trans men and women by their preferred
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personal pronouns. No, that's not actually true. I got in trouble because I said I would not follow
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the compelled speech dictates of the federal and provincial government. I actually never got in
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trouble for not calling anyone anything. That didn't happen. You wouldn't follow the change of
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law which was designed to outlaw discrimination. Not once it was law. No, no. Well, that's what
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they said it was designed to do. Okay. You cited freedom of speech in that. Why should your right
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to freedom of speech trump a trans person's right not to be offended?
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Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive. I mean, look at the
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conversation we're having right now. You know, like you're certainly willing to risk offending me
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in the pursuit of truth. Why should you have the right to do that? It's been rather uncomfortable.
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Well, you get my point. You get my point. It's like you're doing what you should do,
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which is digging a bit to see what the hell's going on. And that is what you should do. But
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you're exercising your freedom of speech to certainly risk offending me. And that's fine.
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I think more power to you as far as I'm concerned. So you haven't sat there and I'm just trying to work
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that out. I mean... Ha, gotcha. You have got me. You have got me. I'm trying to work that through
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my head. Yeah, yeah. It took a while. It took a while. It did. It did. Yeah. It took a while.
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You have voluntarily come into the studio and agreed to be questioned. A trans person in your class
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has come to your class and said they want to be called she. That's never happened. And I would
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call them she. So you would. So you've kind of changed your tune on that. No. No, I said that
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right from the beginning. What I said at the beginning was that I was not going to cede the
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linguistic territory to radical leftists, regardless of whether or not it was put in law. That's what I
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said. And then the people who came after me said, well, you must be transphobic and you'd mistreat a
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student in your class. It's like, I never mistreated a student in my class. I'm not transphobic. And that isn't
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what I said. Yeah. Jordan Peterson's pretty smart cookie. Elon Musk is the world's richest man by
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many calculations. I think he's probably one of the world's smartest men also. So don't go tangling
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with Elon Musk too. I mean, seriously, do your homework first before you take a run at him,
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especially if you're saying, I saw hateful tweets. You better be able to define them. Oh, something that
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was slightly sexist. That's just crazy. Okay. Thanks for letting me talk to you about Elon Musk. I think
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he's a very interesting person. No person is perfect. And as the good book says, put not your
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trust in princes, but I think he has done more good for freedom of speech in the last five years
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than anyone else in the world. And I think he's done so rather selflessly. Of course, he does intend
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to make money out of it and good for him. All right, back to Canada. I, um, I want to start by
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showing you this article from a couple of days ago in the Globe and Mail headline, Trudeau Foundation to
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review donation from benefactors in China. Oh, really? So they're going to review their own
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review, which they already reviewed and said they're just fine. Let me read though.
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Because this is after the entire board quit. The Pierre Elliott Trudeau Foundation is planning an
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outside review of a controversial Beijing linked donation after concerns were raised internally
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about possible wrongdoing. Oh, whoa. Hang on. I thought that Gerald Buds and Justin Trudeau said this
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was all false accusations from conservative MPs. Let me keep reading. Conversations with four key
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people associated with the Trudeau Foundation show an organization bitterly divided over how to handle
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the 2016 gift, which the Globe and Mail reported in late February came from the government of China
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as part of an influence operation to curry favor with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.
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The Globe is not identifying the sources because they were not authorized to discuss internal
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Trudeau Foundation matters. Huh. That's so curious because the liberals said it was outsiders
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smearing the Trudeau Foundation. I mean, that's what Trudeau himself said, right?
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Mr. Trudeau, Catherine Ellsworth with Global News here. This is in regards to a Trudeau Foundation
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question. The entire board and the CEO of the foundation resigned this morning. They cited the recent
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politicization of their work. Are you concerned about the long-term stability of the organization
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and that the fallout from allegations of foreign interference is extending beyond your government?
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As you well know, the Trudeau Foundation is a foundation with which I have absolutely no
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intersection. It was established to promote knowledge and academic research into the humanities
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studies following the death of my father and has had an extraordinary impact on academic institutions
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and on, you know, brilliant Canadians. It is a shame to see the level of toxicity and political polarization
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that is going on in our country these days, but I am certain that the Trudeau Foundation will be able
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to continue to ensure that research into the social studies and humanities at the highest levels across
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Canadian academic institutions continues for many years to come. He says it's toxic accusations. I love
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that word. It's always gaslighting. It's always projecting. It's always accusing your opponents
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of what you yourself did when it comes to Trudeau. You know, Alan Rock, the old Liberal Cabinet
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cabinet minister, he bizarrely got into it too. What's he doing here? Take a look.
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I'm sad and frankly, I'm angry at the nature of the attacks being made against the foundation these
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days. I was going to ask you because you seem to come to it with a lot of emotion. I can tell you're
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attached to the concept. So what has been going through your mind as you're kind of reading these
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details emerging and also the reaction to it? Well, I guess I respond on two levels. First of all,
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there's Pierre Polyev. I think we're learning more about him than we are about the Trudeau Foundation
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as a result of the nature of these attacks. The attacks are ignorant, irresponsible, highly partisan,
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and typical of Polyev and the way he does business. It's sad to see politics descend to this level.
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I mean, I spent 10 years over there. I'm no babe in the woods when it comes to politics,
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but I know a smarmy, glib snake oil salesman when I see one and it's Pierre Polyev. Nothing
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positive to offer, no vision for the country, just being critical. His real target here, Vashi,
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is Justin Trudeau. The Trudeau Foundation is collateral damage and it's important damage.
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I can tell you as someone who is the president of one of Canada's biggest universities for eight years,
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the Trudeau Foundation is a hugely important landmark in Canadian academics, in Canadian,
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the life, the intellectual life of this country. Do you know that there are hundreds of young
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Canadians who've benefited from the scholarships, the fellowships, the mentorships? I don't think
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Polyev knows what the foundation does. And if he did, he should be ashamed of himself. I've met
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students who applied for scholarships. I've been a reference for them. These are kids who, many of
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whom came from nothing, who have massive student debts, but who want the scholarship because it opens up
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the world to them, gives them a chance to continue their studies as part of an intellectual network
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across Canada and around the world. It's an invaluable resource for this country. And one more thing,
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if I may, it's hardly partisan. I mentioned the all-party support in the House when we introduced the bill.
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Its board of directors over the years has included Bill Davis, Peter Lougheed, Roy Romano, hardly liberal
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stalwarts. Why would he suddenly weigh in on this? Is he worried that something will come to light?
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I bet he's been involved in that kind of stuff. Why else would he come forward like that?
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Out of the blue, so long in obscurity. I bet there's a lot of liberals worried.
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I told you the other day about the structural weirdness of the Trudeau Foundation. It's a
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charity that was given, I think it was $125 million in advance, like a lifetime's worth of revenue in
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advance. Who does that? I've never heard of that in my life. Who pays an organization a lifetime's worth
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of cash before they've done anything? You don't pay 10 years of rent in advance. What if there's a
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problem along the way? What if you want to move? You don't subscribe to a newspaper for 10 years in
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advance. You pay monthly or yearly. Who gives nine figures in advance? And then, this is the craziest
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part, hardwires the organization, the corporation, so that the family and its heirs and successors
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are the directors literally hardwired to favor a particular family by name in perpetuity.
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Because you think he's some lord or something? Gee, I wonder why this turned into a money laundering
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slush fund for the Trudeaus. They were copying Wee charity. Remember the Kielbergers? And Kielberger
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and Trudeau were friends. I wonder who corrupted whom? And just like that Wee charity that was fun,
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you know, it was a fund for the benefit of Craig Kielberger and his family. Same with the money laundering.
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Operation here. Let me quote a little bit more from the Globe story.
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The agreement with the two Chinese businessmen who initially took credit for the donation was signed
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by Alexandre Trudeau, brother of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and a foundation board member at the
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time. The other signatories were then University of Montreal rector Guy Breton and then school dean
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Jean-François Gaudreau-des-Biens. University spokesperson Geneviève O'Meara said,
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So Alexander Trudeau took care of the donation. That's odd. For him to be right in the middle
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of the money, but just for this Chinese money. It's a bit odd, isn't it? Because Trudeau said there
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was no family connection. Didn't he say that? No connection. He said that. He always lies, doesn't
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he? Remember when the Globe and Mail, the same reporters actually, broke the news that Jody Wilson-Raybould
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was fired as justice minister for not going along with some Montreal corruption. Remember Trudeau's
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first response to that? Did you or anyone in your office pressure the former attorney general to
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abandon the prosecution of SNC-Lavalin? The allegations in the Globe story this morning
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are false. Neither the current nor the previous attorney general was ever directed by me or by anyone
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in my office to take a decision in this matter. Yeah, he's a liar. It's just a lie. I think the
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Globe and Mail reporters are onto him now. But let me show you a few things that I happen to know about
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Alexander Trudeau. I mean, why would he accept the check? That's something that an administrator or a
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development officer would do. Isn't that something an accountant would do, for staff to do? Why did
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Alexander Trudeau do? Well, here's some clues. Remember I mentioned that Alexander Trudeau,
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Justin Trudeau's brother, was his policy advisor during Trudeau's leadership run?
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So he was whispering in Trudeau's ear the whole time. Well, he literally had the dictatorship of
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China publish his book. In fact, they were the ones who suggested, suggested that he write a book
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about China. I wonder how much they paid him. You look at this interview on CPAC. It's in French,
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but we're going to air the original translation. Listen to how the book came about. Alexander Trudeau
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did not plan to write a book about China. He was told to write a book about China by the dictatorship
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of China that published it. Take a look. The book now, Being a Barbarian in China,
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in the new China. So why the book and why that title? Well, the book itself,
00:26:11.360
it is sort of an organic phenomenon. The Chinese wanted to write a book on my father's visit to
00:26:20.120
China, and they asked me to write. This was in 60, and they asked me to write the preface,
00:26:24.340
and the Canadian edition was published in Vancouver. They published it, so they asked me
00:26:28.660
to write a longer preface, and I said, fine, but I would like to go back to China and get into
00:26:34.660
things, rediscover the country. And when I went there, I found I had so many things to say that
00:26:40.200
they said, well, we can't put that in a preface, so we'll put it in a section. And actually,
00:26:45.800
we'd like you to write a full book on it. Well, that was the pretext, but the idea is that
00:26:51.200
China, for someone like me, who was involved in geopolitics for quite a long time, just can't
00:26:57.620
avoid China, which plays now a very important role. Did you know that? That China itself pushed
00:27:03.540
Trudeau to write this propaganda book? The year this happened was 2016, the same year as the big
00:27:08.560
cash gift that Alexandre himself signed for. What other money changed hands? How much did he get paid
00:27:15.940
for this book? And he wasn't just happy to write for them a book that, let's be honest, few people
00:27:21.800
would have read. But then he went on a propaganda tour for the Chinese government. Here's Ottawa
00:27:27.600
Magazine at the time. I'm still an outsider there, a barbarian, but what China has given me is a
00:27:35.280
perspective on the West. From China, it's much easier to understand the West. I now look at our
00:27:40.940
own freedoms with a little more circumspection and consider some of the irresponsible nature
00:27:45.300
of some of the freedoms we enjoy. I think China has a lot to say, especially old China.
00:27:50.120
Hey guys, did you know that it's irresponsible to be free? That's what the Communist Party of China
00:27:55.440
has taught him. And this propaganda was given by Alexandra to Justin Trudeau right before Justin
00:28:03.200
Trudeau's state visit to China. Let me read the story. It was published by Yahoo. He read it a week
00:28:09.360
before he left for China and he told me it helped him get up to speed in what to think and feel about
00:28:14.560
China. So that $200,000 gift to the Trudeau Foundation was to literally place their asset,
00:28:21.540
Alexandra, right inside the inner circle. Trudeau's family. It was so gross. People started to notice.
00:28:29.260
This is from the Montrealer online. Is Sasha Trudeau, that's Alexandra's nickname, perhaps,
00:28:36.140
just maybe, an apologist for the Communist Party of China? He openly discusses the question in the book.
00:28:42.380
He doesn't believe China could have come so far so quickly without the unity and organizational power
00:28:48.460
the CPC has provided. The Chinese story, especially the recent one over the last 30 to 40 years,
00:28:54.080
is perhaps the greatest success story in human history in terms of the amount of wealth created.
00:28:59.020
Did you know that? Yeah. So we've had a lot of news about Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden being in
00:29:05.980
the pay of Chinese dictators and Russian and Ukrainian oligarchs. That's big news.
00:29:13.060
But don't you think it's bigger news here in Canada, at least, that Justin Trudeau's own brother,
00:29:17.340
Alexandra, was and probably still is a Chinese asset? I'm not sure which is more scandalous, that
00:29:25.040
the fact that a nine-figure slush fund has been used at his family's own corrupt piggy bank. Stay with us for more.
00:29:40.340
I want to tell you about someone I discovered on Twitter, one of the most interesting and
00:29:45.640
thought-provoking commentators there is. Her name is Xi Van Fleet, and she's an immigrant to the United States
00:29:53.760
from the People's Republic of China. And one of the reasons I like to follow her is because she draws
00:30:01.760
comparisons between Mao's cultural revolution some 50-odd years ago and the woke cultural revolution
00:30:11.080
in North America today. I followed her on Twitter, and finally, we reached out and said, hey, can we talk to you
00:30:17.700
on our show? And she said yes. And she joins us now via Skype from Logan County, Virginia. What a pleasure to meet
00:30:25.320
Xi Van Fleet. Thank you for taking the time to meet with us today.
00:30:32.680
Well, that's the amazing thing about it. You can make all sorts of allies. Now, you were just telling me before we turned
00:30:38.060
the cameras on that you got involved politically in America over the schooling issue. You're in
00:30:44.780
Virginia, and there was a bit of a parents' rebellion in that state. And I think it's one of the reasons why
00:30:50.280
that state now has a Republican governor, because the battleground was the classroom. Could you tell us
00:30:57.040
just for a minute about that? Why did you get involved? And what did you learn from the great battle
00:31:03.620
over schools in Virginia? Yes. I was involved because I could not sit aside no longer. It was 2020
00:31:15.200
when I finally said, enough is enough. This is cultural revolution that I experienced when I was
00:31:22.580
a schoolgirl in China. So I decided to get involved. So I joined the local Loudoun County Republic
00:31:32.900
Committee and then Republican Women's Club. And that's when I got started. And we went to school board and
00:31:41.560
where I delivered a one-minute speech and went viral. That's how I started.
00:31:49.600
Well, I think one of the interesting things about the lockdowns, and we had terrible lockdowns here in
00:31:54.880
Canada and schools were shut down for so long. I think that parents saw what was going on in the
00:32:00.980
classroom because the computer was on by Zoom. And so a lot of parents who really weren't that familiar
00:32:07.740
with what was going on from, you know, 9 to 3.30 every day at school suddenly saw, oh my gosh,
00:32:14.360
is this what you learn all the time? Was that what happened to you or did you get involved in another
00:32:19.020
way? Because I think a lot of people were startled to see what was actually being taught in class.
00:32:26.120
And that's really what started all of us, the parents. And there was a video and it's a Zoom
00:32:33.180
class video of a teacher asking a young black student and presented a photo of a black girl and a white
00:32:43.420
girl asked him to describe the photo. And he said, well, two girls. And then the teacher pushed him.
00:32:50.420
And finally, the teacher said, you're not being honest. It's a black girl and a white girl. And this
00:32:56.840
student was so smart. He recorded it and then gave it to the Republican Women's Club leader. And then
00:33:07.140
it went viral. And it is an example of how teachers push critical race theory to their students.
00:33:16.320
That's very interesting. Good for him for holding the line. Now, I didn't know that about your past,
00:33:24.340
but that's a very exciting way to get a very meaningful way to get involved in public life.
00:33:28.760
I mean, there's nothing more important than our kids in our schools. But one of the things I find
00:33:33.100
fascinating is that you are drawing comparisons between the cultural revolution in China and the
00:33:39.600
extreme revisionism. We were talking about this on the show the other day, the four olds
00:33:45.320
that were banned, old ideas, old culture, old customs, old habits. They would smash anything
00:33:50.780
old. Chinese history. They would smash the church. They would smash any other source of authority.
00:33:57.680
I follow you on Twitter and I find it fascinating to see you juxtapose that ideological cult, that
00:34:04.860
Maoist cult with what's going on in North America today. Can you talk a little bit about that? First
00:34:11.160
of all, let me ask you, did you experience that cultural revolution when you were a young person
00:34:17.620
in China? Maybe you can start off by telling us a bit about that and then the comparison.
00:34:23.500
I absolutely experienced the entire cultural revolution. When it started, I was in my second
00:34:29.380
semester of my first grade and my entire school years was in the cultural revolution. And after that,
00:34:40.720
after I graduated from high school and Mao sent all of us, the urban youth to the countryside
00:34:47.180
to continue our education, it's called re-education by the peasants. So I worked in the fields for three
00:34:54.480
years before Mao died. After that, I was able to go to college. So I absolutely had my youth taken, my childhood
00:35:06.560
and my youth taken away by Mao. Well, I saw everything.
00:35:13.020
So I presume that before the cultural revolution, you would have learned the same things that
00:35:18.680
kids, I suppose, learn elsewhere, you know, how to read and write and Chinese history and,
00:35:24.820
and I suppose normal things that a kid in grade one in China would do. What were you taught once the
00:35:31.440
cultural revolution came in? Were you still taught spelling, or I guess it's not spelling, to draw the,
00:35:36.960
the Chinese characters? Were you still taught calligraphy and history or was it all politics?
00:35:43.900
What, what did you learn in grade one, two, three, when you were a kid in China?
00:35:48.900
It is important to understand that before the cultural revolution, there were many,
00:35:55.120
many cultural revolutions. Ever since 1949, when the communist party took over China, the school turned
00:36:04.360
into an indoctrination mill, but it was still relatively reasonable. So I remember my first semester
00:36:12.800
in school, it was just normal with learning, even though there's a lot of socialist and communist
00:36:21.260
narratives, but still kind of normal mass reading and, uh, and writing. And I remember some just
00:36:29.380
harmless, beautiful lines from my, uh, Chinese textbooks, such as, uh, the little creek was,
00:36:36.500
the water was running in the little creek, hua-la-la, hua-la-la, just, you know, just description of the
00:36:42.300
sound. And, uh, after the cultural revolution, that's too bourgeois. That is, uh, not political
00:36:50.640
enough. So everything was abandoned or textbooks were destroyed. And so for about, uh, a year or
00:36:58.760
so, we have no textbooks. Only thing we had is Mao's little red book. That's all we did in the class.
00:37:06.240
We, we, we read it, we recite it. We even send songs because all those quotations were set into music.
00:37:14.880
And that's all we did. And, uh, uh, reading it. And, uh, and then we have a mini class, uh, uh,
00:37:23.000
struggle session. Uh, I don't know if people, uh, realize what it is. A struggle session is basically,
00:37:29.320
um, the little kids sit together and we will do criticism and self-criticism according to what we
00:37:37.720
learned from the Mao's little red book. And we'd say something like that, you know, according to Mao's
00:37:42.440
instruction, I did not do well this way, that way. And the other kids said, yes, you're right.
00:37:47.940
You did not do this. We're right. And that we're right. So that's kind of like a mini, uh, struggle
00:37:53.040
session. But in reality, the adult world, that was brutal. That was a red guard, um, getting those
00:38:01.880
people on stage, condemn them and, uh, sometimes torture, sometimes just kill them right on the spot.
00:38:08.400
Oh my God. Now, of course, when you're a very young child, I suppose the criticism of you and
00:38:14.960
the self-criticism, it would most likely be trivial things. I don't know. Maybe they asked you about
00:38:20.160
the wealth of your family or something. Maybe you were being criticized for that, but I am somewhat
00:38:25.660
familiar with the struggle sessions that were for adults and where people had to self-denounce and
00:38:31.400
wear signs, shaming themselves in dunce hats. I saw the book and I, and I have it and I've done a show
00:38:37.720
on a before called Red Color News Soldier by a Chinese communist, uh, uh, soldier who was
00:38:45.640
an official photographer. And he took thousands of pictures in Heilongjiang of the Cultural Revolution
00:38:51.220
and just shocking images. Um, they would have show trials. And if, if you didn't denounce
00:38:56.900
yourself, I remember there was just one haunting picture of, they stuffed a glove in one guy's
00:39:02.100
mouth because he wanted to protest his innocence. They wanted to shut him up at his own trial.
00:39:07.380
Yeah. And did you, did you see any of that kind of a thing?
00:39:10.900
I, okay. I just want to add to what you said. There was another picture of, uh, Red Guards,
00:39:16.860
um, put the hay, the grass, the hay in someone's mouth while denouncing this guy. No, I've seen
00:39:25.360
that. I've, I've, I've seen different things. I've seen the struggle session for the, uh, governor
00:39:30.820
of my province. So, because he was. So even a powerful governor would tumble before the Red
00:39:39.360
Guards and the Red Guards were the youth wing, right? Yeah. That is really what Cultural Revolution
00:39:45.040
is about. It's Mao using the youth, the Red Guard to get down, to take down his political enemies,
00:39:54.600
which is pretty much the entire communist bureaucracy. Wow. So no one was immune. In fact,
00:40:05.420
the more powerful you were, the more at risk you were because you were a political rival. And so
00:40:11.860
instead of having other political rivals in their 30, 40, 50, 60s, or 70s, he would go to the youth
00:40:19.140
because they would just recite these things by rote. It would, it really would be a cult like
00:40:24.540
uh, you know, there'd be trances. They would be things they would just repeat. Uh, so it was
00:40:30.520
sort of flipping the world on its head, wasn't it? The children were the dictators in the Red
00:40:35.140
Guard. Is that an accurate thing to say? That's exactly what happened then. And that's exactly
00:40:41.000
what's happening here in America and in Canada. They use the young people. They indoctrinated those
00:40:47.800
young people. And Mao, um, really it's getting rid of his enemy. He could not use better tool than the
00:40:55.680
young people. He gave them full power. He, uh, did, uh, not defund, but he just, uh, really smashed
00:41:02.720
what the word is smashed, the critical, uh, no, the, uh, criminal justice, um, uh, system. So the police
00:41:10.520
were all sent to the countryside and exiled and the, uh, the Red Guards were giving full
00:41:16.400
power to do whatever, including killing. So at first it was like a verbal, uh, abuse,
00:41:23.400
kind of like a what's going on today in America, but quickly it turned into violence. And that's
00:41:30.400
where we see it now. Wow. It's no longer just a shouting. It started, we started to say intimidation
00:41:36.960
and the violence. That's absolutely the repeat. That is terrifying. Now I see you've written an
00:41:43.280
essay on Fox news.com. The headline is I survived Mao's regime. Now China is using Tik TOK to poison
00:41:50.960
our kids. And one of the criticisms I've heard of the Tik TOK app is that it's actually spyware,
00:41:57.940
that it, it captures everything about the user, your location, uh, your contacts, your, you know,
00:42:05.740
it records your gestures, your eye movement. It's a total awareness, not just a camera,
00:42:11.620
everything. And then that of course all goes through China where under Chinese law,
00:42:15.900
they must make it available to the security services. So I always thought of it as a spyware
00:42:20.460
problem, but you make it a related, but different argument that it's not just the information they're
00:42:27.540
collecting on the user. It's what they're pumping out to North American kids. And you compare Tik TOK
00:42:33.940
in America with Tik TOK or dou yin, if I'm saying it right in China, in China, there's a limit of 40
00:42:41.540
minutes a day for people under a certain age. It's educational, it's positive, it's healthy.
00:42:48.880
Whereas in North America, it's pushing trans extremism, pushing woke, it's hypersexual. It's
00:42:56.160
there. It really, one is designed to uplift kids and teach them. The other is designed to
00:43:03.000
basically be a race for the bottom. Is that the thesis of your essay in Fox news?
00:43:07.440
That's exactly. People have to understand it is the tool of the CCP to indoctrinate and basically
00:43:14.840
manipulate and influence the American kids. And, uh, what they do is, uh, to really push this toxic,
00:43:25.700
uh, content to the kids and make them addicted to it. So basically make them really no longer
00:43:35.300
productive. And why they're doing not doing that in China? Because, uh, Xi Jinping, he needs highly trained,
00:43:44.980
um, citizens for him to build his empire. So in China, they control everything and they always control
00:43:55.300
what kids can see and not to see. So they're doing the same thing. Um, but they're not doing the same
00:44:01.460
thing to the American kids. That's exactly why. And, uh, I, you know, I always say it's, you, you,
00:44:07.780
you can blame CCP. CCP is what it is. And we know it is a communist regime. The problem is the failure
00:44:16.340
of the politicians here. Uh, and, uh, and it's not just politicians, Democrats. They absolutely love
00:44:24.660
that tool. Um, tick tock. It's pushing the exact same ideology that they're pushing for the kids.
00:44:36.020
Wow. Well, one of the, you know, there's a saying, there's nothing new under the sun.
00:44:41.140
There's a saying history repeats itself. And I think there's some truth to both of those sayings.
00:44:46.260
And if you live through the cultural revolution, and if you saw young people get weaponized against
00:44:52.420
the four olds, against adults and moving from, uh, vocal denunciations, verbal denunciations
00:45:00.740
to actual violence, what should Americans and Canadians expect to see next? What will it look like if we,
00:45:09.220
God forbid, take the next step in the template of the cultural revolution in China? What would it look
00:45:15.460
like over here? Well, that is the thing. When people don't know history, they don't know you.
00:45:23.220
All you need to do is check out what happened in China. And, uh, at the end of the Chinese cultural
00:45:30.740
revolution, 20 million people lost their lives. Um, the economy was in ruins. The Chinese civilization
00:45:40.100
totally destroyed. And the family divided, people divided at each other's throat.
00:45:47.060
And someone got absolute power and in the process become a God. Okay. We don't have a Mao here
00:45:57.620
in the West, but we'll have a group of people who are really just like Mao. And that's what they
00:46:04.820
aimed it. That's what they are going to lead us to.
00:46:07.620
Hmm. Well, it's a pleasure to meet you. Even though you say terrifying things, we have to hear
00:46:14.260
it. We can't look away. It's interesting to get to know you a little bit. I'll continue to follow
00:46:19.300
you. And I, I find it fascinating. The images that you choose, is there, um, an organization
00:46:25.380
or a website or a project, uh, that you are involved with that you would encourage people to follow? I
00:46:31.540
follow you on Twitter and we'll have your Twitter, uh, handle underneath this video for other folks.
00:46:36.980
Is there something you would recommend to our viewers who want to learn more about your projects?
00:46:41.860
Yeah, I'm, um, I'm fighting by myself, even though I'm fighting with a lot of, uh,
00:46:48.180
people who love this country and who love our freedom. So far, my platform is, uh, Twitter.
00:46:55.060
So it's X-Van Fleet. Also, my book is coming up in, um, October. And, uh, the book is titled
00:47:04.500
Mouse America, a Survivor's Warning. And, uh, hopefully people will get that book. And, uh, I listed
00:47:13.300
all the parallels between this two cultural revolution and I tell people what happened in
00:47:20.020
China and not warning them. The same thing will happen here if we don't stop it. That's incredible.
00:47:26.820
Mouse America, a survivor's warning. Well, when that book comes out, you must come back on the show.
00:47:33.540
Chief Van Fleet, what a pleasure to meet you. Thank you for taking the time with us.
00:47:37.220
And I'll continue to follow you on Twitter and to follow your battles, both the global cultural battle.
00:47:43.060
And also if you, uh, get involved with more school oriented battles, it sounds like that really
00:47:48.500
activated you. And I think that's to the benefit of all Americans. You're such a passionate advocate
00:47:53.460
and you do have a desperate warning for the rest of us. Thank you for joining us today.
00:47:58.740
You have it. Chief Van Fleet from Logan County, Virginia. Stay with us. More ahead.
00:48:12.980
Hey, Joe Boudreau writes in again. Great to hear from you again, Joe. That was an interesting
00:48:16.580
interview in Red Deer about Chris Scott and the Whistle Stop Cafe. I met Chris several times this
00:48:21.380
year. We had a rally and support for him in February. Chris is a people person and waits on
00:48:25.700
you personally in his restaurant in apron. He's genuine. I don't think any of these lawyers are
00:48:30.260
genuine, including the crowdfunded ones you talked to. They follow the dollar and only do what money
00:48:35.060
pays them to do. You're in street clothing without a tie like us. We're talking to these people in
00:48:38.820
thousand dollar suits with hundred dollar ties because we crowdfunded their fees. They are not genuine.
00:48:43.140
They're just making a dollar off crowdfunding. Please stop portraying them as legal heroes.
00:48:46.820
They are not. They're just money grubbers. Show us a free lawyer willing to do pro bono work.
00:48:51.700
Okay. Well, you say a lot of things there. First of all, I, after I went to the trial,
00:48:56.340
it ended a little earlier than was expected. So I had time before my flight home to drive out to
00:49:02.020
Mirror, Alberta, about 45 minutes. And, and it is a great restaurant. Uh, the burger was great.
00:49:08.180
Fries were great. I had some blueberry pie also. I, I, and it's a whole family operation. I met his
00:49:13.460
brother-in-law. I was working in the kitchen, his daughters at the cashier, his son. It was,
00:49:17.140
it was great. It's sort of a, an, um, like a museum, a living museum of freedom. There's so many
00:49:25.300
artifacts on the wall, so many freedom oriented artifacts. In fact, I snapped a few pictures.
00:49:29.380
And when you drive up, there's this huge Alberta flag at the top of a crane. It was really quite an
00:49:33.380
experience. Mirror, Alberta is sort of off the beaten track. So you're probably not going to go
00:49:37.700
there unless you go there on purpose, but I enjoyed it. So you're right about Chris,
00:49:41.460
but let me address your points about the lawyers. The five government lawyers were there because they
00:49:46.340
were paid by the government to stop Chris Scott, uh, by any means necessary. And their chief means is
00:49:54.340
by outlawing, lawyering him. The two lawyers on Chris's side were crowdfunded and they were wearing
00:50:01.620
suits. I have no idea how fancy their suits were. Um, the thing is in court, you're expected to wear
00:50:07.860
a suit. There are some courts where they still wear a black gown. So really you could be wearing
00:50:13.780
something casual underneath. Although I think generally they have suit pants. Um, there's a whole
00:50:19.780
outfit. So dressing in a suit and tie is standard operating procedure in a court. And if you did not
00:50:28.900
have a tie, the judge might mention it. And even if the judge doesn't mention it, the judge going to
00:50:34.660
see it and saying, does this guy not respect me? Does this guy not respect the court? So if there
00:50:39.860
was a lawyer who was not dressed respectively, and I say a suit and tie is the standard issue,
00:50:46.260
I think that would be a problem. Um, I, I think that wearing a normal suit, even a good looking suit
00:50:54.660
means that people don't think about your suit. They think about what you're saying. I would not want
00:50:59.540
a lawyer in court in a serious way to be dressed casually. So I'm going to disagree with you on how
00:51:05.620
they looked. Your point about having a pro bono lawyer over the course of my life, I have had several
00:51:13.940
offers of pro bono lawyers and some of them have worked out well, but you cannot ask any person
00:51:21.140
to work on a file in the case of Chris Scott. Is it three years now or is it two years with many court
00:51:29.380
appearances, including working in different hours of the day when he was seized and jailed and going
00:51:36.260
through hundreds of documents and running around, uh, you know, going to different cities. You cannot ask
00:51:43.780
anyone lawyer or not to work hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours for free.
00:51:50.740
I've never heard. I mean, I suppose there are some lawyers who do that much work pro bono,
00:51:56.020
but typically pro bono, which is Latin for, for free or for the good, literally pro bono publico for
00:52:02.740
the good of the public. Um, I remember when I was in law school, we did pro bono work and I did some
00:52:07.220
pro bono work when I was a law firm, but typically it's small matters. You run a small trial,
00:52:11.620
you represent someone who's poor in criminal court. There is no such thing as a lawyer who's going
00:52:17.460
to spend a thousand hours on something for free. Sorry. Would you do that? I mean, Joe,
00:52:22.820
I don't know you personally, so I don't know if you're retired, if you're independently wealthy,
00:52:26.740
but I just simply don't think there's any person out there who's going to work a thousand hours on
00:52:30.260
the case for free. And then there's out of pocket expenses. It's not just lawyers, it's the paralegals,
00:52:35.140
et cetera. And if you were to find a lawyer who would do that for free, okay. Are they any good?
00:52:42.100
If so, why do they have, why do they have a thousand free hours? There's nothing more expensive
00:52:46.740
than a cheap lawyer. I say that in that if, if there's a lawyer who says, Hey, I'll do it for half
00:52:52.900
price. Okay. Why are you saying that? Are you so short of work? Are you any good? We need to have
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good lawyers because we need to win. That's something I've discovered over the course of my
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life. When I had no money, I would take any lawyer, I suppose. And I remember I once hired an awful lawyer
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and he lost. And frankly, I would have been better with no lawyer than with a bad lawyer.
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So I'm going to disagree with you on that. And I disagree with you only because I've had so much
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experience in crowdfunding lawyers. And my experience tells me the good, you've got to pay for a good
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lawyer. You get what you pay for. And if you know a lawyer who's willing to work a thousand hours for free,
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I, I, then you found a unicorn. Anyways, thanks for your letter. And I'm glad you watched.
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That's our show for today. Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters,
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to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.