EZRA LEVANT ｜ EXCLUSIVE： UK's 'Enemy of the State' Tommy Robinson on the breakdown of British civil liberty
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A huge feature interview with Tommy Robinson, the man of the hour in UK news, and frankly, around the world these days. We ll talk about his political situation, and his legal situation, about his plans, his thoughts on other conservatives, and we ll talk for a full hour, and I don t think you'll want to miss it.
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Hello, my Rebels. Today, a huge feature interview with Tommy Robinson, the man of the hour in
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UK news, and frankly, around the world these days. We'll talk to him about his political
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situation and his legal situation, about his plans, his thoughts on other conservatives.
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We'll talk for a full hour, and I don't think you'll want to miss a minute of it. I'd like
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you to get the video version of this interview. I want you to see Tommy. I want you to see
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no money from Justin Trudeau, and it shows. All right, here's today's podcast.
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Well, we've been talking about Tommy Robinson all week. In fact, we've been following his great
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comeback for months. I call it a comeback because all the social media companies at once decided
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to cancel him, sort of like they did to Alex Jones in America a few years ago. But when Elon Musk
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revived Twitter and made it the number one news app in the world, he reviewed some of the politically
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correct cancel culture decisions that company had made, and he turned Tommy Robinson's account back
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on. Now, I'm not putting it all at the feet of Elon Musk, but that has been a way for ordinary
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citizens, especially in the UK, to communicate, to express themselves with narratives that are not
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approved by the political elites, the journalistic elites, and these days by the legal elites. Joining us
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now via Skype is our old friend and alumnus, I'd call him. Remember, he used to work for us back in the
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day. Tommy Robinson. Tommy, great to see you again.
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You know, I'm following you very closely, as are millions of people. Just, I don't want to over-emphasize
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Twitter, but it is a big factor here. That is your primary outlet now, isn't it?
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Ezra is a huge factor. It's a factor that I'd say has terrified the British establishment. It's
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literally terrified them. They do not know what to do. They don't know how to handle it. They don't
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know how to handle not being in control of speech and not being in control of the narrative. What
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we've seen for the last week with the seven days of riots, if it was left just to the mainstream media,
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you wouldn't have witnessed any of the mobs of Muslims carrying swords, beating up English people,
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terrorizing the streets across the UK. Simply, none of the mainstream have showed it. No
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politician spoke about it. The entire narrative has been that the Muslims are victims and they
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must be protected, when in reality, it's the total opposite. And unfortunately for the British
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establishment and the British media, because of X, we're able to reach millions, if not hundreds
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of millions of people to say, actually, this is what's going on. And you can see now they're
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talking about bringing in new laws. I'd like to ask you, Ezra, Ezra, you're always down
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this. What do you think they're going to do? Because I'm sitting here thinking, they're coming
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for me. I've never felt a target on me like the last seven days. Obviously, I upset them.
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We had 100,000 people on the streets of London in the largest peaceful rally the country's
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ever seen of patriots. And then I've released a film which has now amassed 14 million views
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in eight or nine days, which totally exposes the corruption of the judiciary. Neither of those
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things should be criminal. I currently face a contempt of court proceedings here, which
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I'm in no doubt they're going to want to lock me up for. But they've tried to land the entirety
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of this violence on the streets on my lap, even though the evidence goes totally against
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that. Every message I've given was for peace, for calmness, for no violence. But they've
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totally ignored that. And they've run with the narrative. And once one said it, which was
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the Daily Mail, the BBC, Metropolitan Police officers, everyone is literally quoting to say,
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I've instigated violence and attacks on mosques, which is just insanity.
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You know, we played some clips of you earlier in the past couple of weeks insisting on peaceful
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protests. And you know what, Tommy, I don't know if you know the origin of the word scapegoat.
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It was actually something that they would do. They would, quote, put all their sins and crimes
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on a goat. And then they would slaughter the goat. And it was a way for the community to purge
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themselves of their own sin. And so they've chosen you as the scapegoat, that all the ills
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and problems of the UK, all the racial strife, all the lack of integration, the poor conditions
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of indigenous white working class Brits, instead of the people who are responsible for those
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problems, owning them, you're the scapegoat. Now, the problem is, in the end of the story,
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the scapegoat dies. And I don't want to be, I don't want to be morbid, but I know that they've
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arrested you before. They've jailed you before. They put you in solitary confinement before Tommy.
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And again, I'm not making light of it. I'm surprised that there's not a special forces SAS team
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coming down by helicopter right now to grab you 007 style. You're literally public enemy number one.
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That was the name of your book, Enemy of the State. You are public enemy number one,
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You know, by doing that, they haven't had to talk about any problems. They haven't had to speak
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about open border migration. They haven't had to speak about the fact they've filled all these
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hotels, men out of the hotels are raped and murdered. They haven't had one conversation about it. We
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haven't even had a conversation about the motive of why three little girls were stabbed and butchered
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and nearly a dozen murdered and nearly a dozen stabbed to pieces. They haven't had to have a
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discussion about the Harefield riots or what happened at Manchester airport. They haven't had to talk
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about any of it by creating the bogeyman of the English Defence League and landed on my lap.
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They've totally manufactured. They put up 100 far right riots. None. None planned. They knew there
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were none planned. It was totally manufactured by the government, by the far left, to create this
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facade to scare the public. And right now, Israel, I'm looking, some bloke just got 12 weeks in jail
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for putting an emoji on Facebook. 12 weeks in jail. Another English man just got 26 months in jail
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for aggressively shouting at the police. Now, when you think about what we've watched since
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October the 7th, when you think about the terrorist slogans, the calls for jihad by leaders of
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prescribed terrorist organisations on the streets calling for Muslim armies, they didn't even get
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their colophon. It's just like, I'm watching it all thinking, you've doubled down. You've gone
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absolutely two-tier policing. You've gone totally tyrannical. You're showing the entire world.
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I saw Joe Rogan talking about it. Obviously, Elon Musk got involved. Some of the most influential
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voices in the world are talking about communist rule of Great Britain, Soviet Britain. And they
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don't, the scary thing is, I don't think they care. Keir Starmer, I don't think they care.
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Yeah. Such as Keir Starmer, and I'm sorry to interrupt, because some of these laws were brought
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in by the Conservative Party. A lot of this mass migration was from the Conservative Party. The calls
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for censorship over the last 14 years have been under the Conservative Party. So it really is a
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kind of unanimity, the entire establishment political class and the media. I saw the other
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day, all the big newspapers had the exact same, exact same front page photo, and they used the
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exact same phrases. That can't be a coincidence. I'm sorry. I know how competitive Fleet Street
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is. Those guys would do anything to out-compete each other. They're rivals, and yet they had a
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unanimous message, Tommy. It's really, it reminds me of Brexit, when the entire establishment
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closed ranks. It reminds me of COVID. This is an all-hands-on-deck defence of the establishment,
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I know. I'm sitting there looking at it thinking, I didn't say that. I've never said that.
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How have you resurrected the English Defence League that hasn't been here for 10 years?
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And how is there not one single journalist in Great Britain that's saying, hold on, there
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is no English Defence League. Hold on, these people were all local to the area. This is
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all fabricated. They've created an organisation that's been dead. They've scared the whole
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country and fled and pushed all these. If you look at the Sunderland, one of the first
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riots, the one where the police station was burned down, you look at what the men were
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wearing that come up the street. And an actual member of the public, I don't know if you've
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seen the footage, he pulls them and says, who are you? How come you're all dressed like
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that? He was implying and asking, who are you? And he says, are you Antifa? So it's
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like all of this has been manufactured. And manufactured for what? Manufactured because
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what are they trying to do now? Well, they don't have to have a discussion. They knew this
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country was on the verge, and still is on the verge, of a cultural revolution. To have
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100,000 patriots on the streets of London, to have 1 million people watching that live
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online, the whole world looking, and to pull it off successfully must have hurt them.
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It has hurt them. Because we see, before any riots, I'm arrested, but I'm arrested, I'm
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detained by counterterrorism on my way out of the country. A total abuse of power. I have
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my phone seized. I'm questioned for six hours without the right to reply. I have no right
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to silence. So I was questioned for six hours, where everything they questioned me about was
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my legal, lawful rights. So they're asking me, who are you meeting? Who's involved? What
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are you doing next? How are you going to do this? It's like, and you don't have a right
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to remain silent. So you have to answer. You know, I'm so glad you brought that up.
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It was the next thing I was going to ask you. Because literally a day, like within hours
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of your last public rally, they swept you up. In the UK, like in Canada, normally you
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have to arrest someone for, you have to have reasonable suspicion they committed a crime,
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or you need a warrant of some sort. They used in such an extraordinary and illegal way, a
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very particular section of the terrorism act designed for like ticking time bomb scenarios
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where you know a bomb is going to go off somewhere in the next few hours. You must ask the terrorist
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mastermind questions, sort of like waterboarding without the water. And he has no right to remain
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silent. And he has no right to stop the police from inspecting his papers and documents. It's
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a very unusual and draconian law, sort of like the Patriot Act, for example. And they use it
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on you. And what was funny, I remember we spoke afterwards, and you did a video afterwards.
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They asked you about your plans for the movement for the rally. And I thought that I thought they
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would be asking you about the things that they wanted to nick you for like, like contempt of
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court. All of the questions that they asked of you using this extreme law were, what are
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your plans for a national movement? A conspiracy theorist, which by the way means someone who
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will be proven right in three months, a conspiracy theorist might say they were trying to understand
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the state of the movement because the deep state might have had some agent provocateurs. We saw
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that on January 6th in the United States. We saw FBI agents whipping up the crowd to go into Congress.
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We see these perfectly attired khaki pants, red hat feds marching through the United States with their
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racism, obviously feds. Why wouldn't the UK do the same thing to take the energy out of your street
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movement? You had a peaceful street movement, Tommy, that was getting great press. And why not take
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the energy out of your movement by sending in malefactors, by sending in the odd arsonist, the odd
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person who can be whipped up by the by the state? I don't want to I'm speculating here, but I've seen
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this movie before, Tommy. Ezra, do you know why they couldn't do that? Our events are ones that I
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organized because they keep kind of saying I've organized these events. The only events I've organized
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have been totally peaceful. And they couldn't do it because we sat out amongst all of the lads. We had
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we had tough men there ourselves. And we said anyone turns up with a face covering, we're taking them
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off. Yeah, anyone. So any groups of men, they couldn't send 10 men wearing balaclathes and covering
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all their identity because we would have turned on them ourselves. We made that very clear to anyone
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coming. See anyone pulling up with face masks on, we're getting them off. We've got and we had lots of
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influential football clubs and large groups of men there. And the same MO went to everyone. If anyone's
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wearing all black and got a mask on, pull them, hold them. Yeah. So it would have been impossible
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for them to infiltrate that 100,000 without the 100,000 people turning on them. Yeah. And getting
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their face mask off and finding out who they are. So then two days later, after just anger on the
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streets of the UK, the next day, then there's buildings being smashed. There's fires get fire,
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police, empty police stations get set fire. And the people doing it look pretty organized and
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wearing all the same clothes. So it looks very suspicious.
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Yeah. Have you heard of the special demonstration squad in the UK? Have you ever looked them up?
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Look up the special demonstration squad. So the British government used to have a group
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called the special demonstration squad. Their job was to infiltrate demonstration movements
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and provoke riots. That's their job. Look them up. Google it. Have a look at this. It's an organization.
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Some of the undercover agents went on to have babies with the groups, with women.
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I read about that. I remember that. I remember that case because one of the women who had
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a romantic affair with the cop was later, felt tricked and I think tried to sue. I do
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remember what you're talking about. I am going to do that.
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The special demonstration squad. They've got a fault. They had a fault. And they're not
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going to not have that now. Now, what they managed to do, we was on the rise, yeah? And
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the public were totally with us. And I know that from everywhere I go. They've now tried to
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turn it in a seven day period. Ezra, when I got detained by counterterrorism, they took my
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phone, yeah? They seized my phone. They seized my phone. I didn't get back in the car. They're
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saying I fled the country, yeah? Because of the riots. I wasn't even in the country when the riots
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started. I wasn't there. I wasn't here. And I was on a pre-booked holiday that was booked 18 months
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before. And then journalists come and dox where my children were. They get the location of where my
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family and children were and let everybody know. So the rule, I've never, and as I said, I've been in
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this, Ezra. You know, I've had lots of troubles. I've had lots of problems. I've been in lots of
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situations. I've never felt a target the way I feel now. And it was a full-on attack. The New
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York Times today, Panorama today, the Times financial investigation today, they are literally hammering
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absolutely everything they have from every angle directed at me under the accusation that I instigated
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riots. There's no evidence of that. They're building me up as the fall guy so that the public
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perception can be changed. So when they lock me up for a long time like they wish to,
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and they want to, and if not, they've literally told every British Muslim,
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I orchestrated and organized the attacks against their mosques. I've got Muslims making videos of
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machine guns. Some were arrested yesterday by armed police in the UK. I've got the biggest target
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on me now. They're probably just hoping a Muslim will kill me, or they're going to bring me home
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and drop me in the prison system. There you go, Tommy. See you later. There you go.
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And so I'm watching it all, but I'm thinking I'm lucky. I'm so lucky that we have X, because
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imagine I didn't have it. I've been able to make a counter video that's had 7 million views
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that shows actually, I didn't say any of these things. Here's what I said. But if I didn't have
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X, what we've been able to do for five years prior to this is just tell everyone what I'm saying.
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I'm not. I'm literally not saying it. Yeah. So, you know, and the most important
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Twitter user is Elon Musk himself, and he has been riveted by what's going on in the UK.
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He's probably done 20 tweets himself about it. He retweeted that front page about the 1400 girls
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in Rotherham who were systematically raped. He said, is this still going on, Keir Starmer?
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He used the phrase two-tier Keir, two-tier policing. So not only is he providing you a forum,
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but he's asking questions. He's not quite making statements. He usually has a question
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mark at the end of them, but he's engaged and that has got to be driving the establishment crazy.
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I think his acquisition of Twitter perhaps is the most important free speech event in a decade.
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It's the most important for us. It's like, literally, we're under, people don't realize
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it. We're already under communism without Elon Musk. We're already under communism. They control what
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you say about vaccines, what you say about big pharma, what you say. They control what you say
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about everything on every other platform. There is no freedom. So even when they have, we have the,
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even Americans say we have the constitution. Well, you don't. You might have it on the street,
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but they don't care what you're saying on the street. They care what you're saying in the
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platforms where you can reach millions and you can't say anything. You're totally on. If you go
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on TikTok now and search Tommy Robinson, there's not one single video comes up. If you go on Instagram,
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they've totally blocked and what they've started doing is wrong. They haven't done it to like to
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Jordan Peterson, but they've gone through every other video. So all the videos I made, which were
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calling for peace and calm, they've all been deleted off every other platform. So literally,
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as they pump and prop the propaganda to the entire nation, he provoked the rioters. If it wasn't for X,
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there would be actually no history of videos that show that I didn't, that show what the evidence
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of what I called for. And I can't, it's like, I'm being totally set up in front of the world.
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Not one journalist has commented on it and they all know I haven't done it. So if you remember in the
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book 1984 by George Orwell, what was the job of the hero, Winston Smith? His job was, and this was
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obviously in the pre-internet times, the book was written in the late forties, was to cut out old
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newspaper articles and replace them with revised histories. And that was his job, is to change
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the path. And they can't do that. We didn't need to do that on paper anymore. They do that by deleting,
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by deleting the history, by changing who you are, by repeating a lie often enough.
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Every, for the last three or four days, every single British chat show, talk show, and news show,
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every single day has lodged against me as, and some of the words are, instigating violence,
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directing violence, inciting violence. There's no evidence of any of this. So literally, I feel
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totally under, I feel the establishment, the media, the police, everything has totally waged war on me.
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And why? Because I galvanized the British public like no one else has been able to. Because I brought
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together and unified different races, different religions, different colors under the banner of
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Great Britain. Because we celebrated our identity and our culture and sent a message to the British
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establishment. Yeah, it's David versus Goliath, but David's ready for a battle. David's not backing
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down. And the only chance, I'm still saying, well, I'm still not backing down. And the thing is,
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right, if they think this is going to work, the cat's out the back. So they think they're going
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to pull, haul me back to the UK at some point, put me in jail, it solves the problem. The problems
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that you're seeing spill onto the streets is because they've covered the problems up. Resentment
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and anger is boiling because of their failure to address the issues. So once again, they had an
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opportunity here. Keir Starmer had an opportunity to be a statesman. He had an opportunity to stand up
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and say, we need to unite this country together. We're going to listen to why you're angry. We're going
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to understand the fears that you have as British people about your culture, about your replacement,
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about the violence, about the race. We're going to listen. We want to bring everyone together.
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He didn't do that. He full on attacked. So these problems are going to continue. They're going to
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bubble up. They're going to grow. And if he thinks putting me in jail is going to solve it,
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it's going to do the total opposite. Put me in jail and have me killed. You are the sparking the
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revolution. You will spark it. So I'm not, I have no other choice at the minute. I haven't done
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anything wrong. I'm not, I'm, I believe in freedom of speech and freedom of the press,
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and I'm not going to back down from that. So if you tell me that I can't share videos of riots,
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I'm sharing. Lock me up if you want to lock me up. Put me in jail if you want to put me in jail.
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Because the world, the entire world is watching right now. If they want, I know we don't have
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freedom of speech, but most people still think we do. So this will drill home and put the nail in the
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coffin of Great Britain for freedom, democracy and democratic rights and freedom of the press.
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They're going to end it. But let the world know you've ended it. Because for so long,
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you've been pretending we've still got it. You think you've, oh, the British establishment
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pretend they're better than China. They pretend they're better than Russia. They're not. You know
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that. You block me up whenever you want. The first question they asked me during that counter-terrorism
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is, what do you think of the United Kingdom? I said, a totalitarian shithole. A totalitarian.
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And why did you say that? I said, you've just detained me under terrorism legislation,
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where what they said is, when they read out the form, they said, you, we believe,
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we have to believe that you are in the investigation and preparation of acts of
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terrorism. And both their words were, both their words were, we know you're not,
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but this legislation gives us the opportunity to do this. I said, so you're totally abusing your power
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to seize my phone. And the point I made to them, which is they're going to struggle,
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because they said they were charging me. And whatever happened in those 12 hours I was in custody,
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on the outside, where this went viral, they made a decision not to charge me. They bailed me.
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They took my phone, and then there's my solicitor, rang them the next day and said,
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we're taking you to court. They gave it straight back. Now, I'm a journalist. As a journalist,
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you're not allowed to get into my phone. You're not allowed to, because I have sources of information
00:21:24.660
on my phone that give me sources of information about your corruption. I've done documentary after
00:21:28.500
documentary on young school girls. Ezra, do you know one of the things they asked me? So I spoke publicly,
00:21:34.180
they're doing me for contempt to court. I spoke publicly about having new evidence that says
00:21:40.180
that Justice Nicklin, from the court, fell out with his own dad before my trial, about me.
00:21:46.820
Yeah. So that means he should have excused himself from sitting on the trial.
00:21:50.980
Wow. So the judge, let me, so this is about the Syrian kid.
00:21:56.100
Are you talking about who sued you for defamation because you, and you proved your case by talking
00:22:03.700
to all the teachers of the school who had been given a chunk of cash to sign a non-disclosure
00:22:09.380
agreement. It's a very contentious issue. That's the video that's your pinned tweet, 40 million views.
00:22:16.420
You're saying the judge who ruled against you, his dad split with him on this matter. Is that what I
00:22:22.500
heard you just say? His dad is a supporter. Wow. His dad's a supporter. Wow. So he,
00:22:29.140
his dad's a supporter. He didn't excuse himself. He ruled against me. So when, when they got me down
00:22:35.540
counter-terrorism, they're not, they're asking me about that. I'm like, and I don't have a right to
00:22:40.500
make silence. So I'm like, is that, and the point being that is privileged information officer. Yeah.
00:22:46.980
Yeah. My, my messages. It's privileged. It's confidential. They can't ask you about your
00:22:53.380
legal case. Let me ask you a question. That interview, was it recorded? Were they filming
00:22:58.340
it? Was it being recorded? You can't get the, you're not allowed the recordings of it as well.
00:23:01.460
No, are you not allowed? No, they were probably recording it. Yeah. They record it. They record it,
00:23:06.100
but you don't, you're not able to get it. Really? You're not, you're not able to get it.
00:23:10.820
And what they say is what they're asking you there cannot be used to charge you. Yeah. So it's
00:23:17.060
literally just finding out what they want to find out. They can't use it. Wow. Did you have a lawyer
00:23:24.100
for at least part of that detention? I had a lawyer. Yeah. I had a solicitor. But what could a lawyer do
00:23:29.140
if you were compelled to answer, I suppose, right? You're compelled to, you're compelled to answer.
00:23:33.300
And I made it very clear. I said, there is zero chance of you. Bearing in mind, and I gave them
00:23:38.500
the rundown, in Rotherham, your police officers got rid of evidence of DNA of Muslim rapists. That's
00:23:43.940
what you've done, your police officers. In Telford, your police officers were taking money off of
00:23:48.100
Muslim rapists. In Rochdale, they were doing the same. In some of them, your Muslim police officers
00:23:52.340
were involved in raping the girls. So the girls talked to me. I've exposed corrupt police officers.
00:23:57.940
Episode six of the rape of Britain, we have a Labour politician, a lead Labour politician,
00:24:02.740
and we have covert recordings, alleged child exploitation from him in the council offices.
00:24:08.980
So they're pushing me and asking me all these questions. You're not having it. You are not
00:24:14.580
taking vulnerable people that talk to me for my work, and then putting on any computer system
00:24:20.500
where these people can get tracked down. Because some of the girls, episode five, we look at Kareem,
00:24:24.740
they literally located where she was and the Muslim gangs turned up. It was the police that gave the
00:24:28.900
information. So I never, ever – and I said, this is the hill I'll die on that. So if you want to
00:24:34.020
prosecute me, that's when they said, well, we're – because the six hours, they hold you in the
00:24:38.260
port for questioning. It's only if you breach the terrorism legislation by not answering them.
00:24:42.660
So I answered all their questions. So one of their questions was, explain to us why you don't
00:24:47.540
agree with a two-state solution. That's so weird. That's so weird. That's crazy that they're asking
00:24:53.620
you your political, religious views. Everything. Everything. They asked me,
00:24:58.740
how do you think you will stop the Great Replacement? That's what they asked me.
00:25:02.100
I'm like, lads, what is this about? What is this about? And obviously, don't get me started on some
00:25:09.140
of the points they raised. So I just blubbed on and told them straight, you lot are a mess. The country's a
00:25:13.540
mess. Two-state solution. Would you give ISIS a state, would you? Would you give ISIS a state?
00:25:18.100
Shut up, then. I said, look, all of these points you're making, I said, your courts are corrupt.
00:25:22.420
Your entire court's corrupt. I've proved that. My film, the problem they have is, which is why I think
00:25:27.060
this is all coming. That film on 40 million views, it shouldn't be enough to tear down the judiciary.
00:25:34.740
To have some inquiry. They should have an external commission of inquiry to review the trial,
00:25:39.300
given the facts of your movie. That's how a healthy checks and balances system would work.
00:25:45.060
Whether or not you're right, Tommy, you know, how can we find the objective truth? Well, you've made
00:25:50.180
so many assertions that seem to be backed up by facts and video evidence and interviews.
00:25:56.180
And surely, there's some check and balance in this system that said, well, we should at least
00:26:01.460
take a second look at this and maybe get a fresh set of eyes on this. The fact that they won't
00:26:09.540
They're just going to lock me up. They're literally just going to lock me up.
00:26:12.740
And essentially, Ezra, it's like, if they don't think I was aware of the consequences when I
00:26:18.740
decided to play the film on the 27th of July, I decided to do that to put the judiciary on trial.
00:26:24.740
I want – I know it's corrupt. I've been through the system. I've spent a year of social confinement.
00:26:30.580
They locked me up and changed the context of things that were said. They totally just fed the
00:26:34.980
public total lies. Whilst I'm censored, they told the public I incited vigilante attacks against
00:26:41.060
Muslim rapists. I just didn't. There's nothing to say I did. But it doesn't matter when they
00:26:46.180
control the entire narrative and the media. So right now, luckily, I thought I may never have
00:26:51.940
a voice like I've got now. I've got 100,000 people in front of me, and I've got the world watching
00:26:56.100
online. Here you go. There you go. Have a watch. And if it wasn't in the public interest,
00:27:00.660
which is their argument, why have 40 million people watched it in eight days? Of course it's
00:27:04.420
in the public interest. And I'm a journalist. That's my job. My job is trying to cover corruption.
00:27:08.660
Yeah. Wow. Now, Tommy, I want to be respectful of your time. Do you have a few more minutes?
00:27:13.140
Because I've got a few questions. Ezra, I've got time for you, bro.
00:27:16.020
All right. Well, listen. I mean, we follow you carefully. I've known you even before we set up
00:27:20.260
Rebel News. When I was with Sun News Network, then I got to know you a bit when you worked with
00:27:24.500
Rebel and I visited you in the UK. It was a real adventure traveling around with you. And all the
00:27:30.180
places that we see are on fire now. We visited, whether it was Sunderland, for example, where
00:27:36.740
we tried to champion the case of justice for Chelsea, or Fletcher, who had his shop that said,
00:27:43.060
don't support terrorism. And police said, you got to take that sign down. I don't know if you remember
00:27:47.620
crazy cases. Yeah, of course. So we've been interested in you, even when you left us,
00:27:53.140
when you were arrested and thrown into prison, I spoke with your family and got their permission
00:27:58.260
to do the crowdfund to help the legal side. So we have a 10 year interest in Tommy Robinson and your
00:28:04.340
causes. So I think you might need to get, go ahead. You might need to get ready again, bro.
00:28:09.060
You're gonna need to get ready again. I mean, I know what's coming.
00:28:11.620
One of my questions for you, the lawyers who helped get you out of the clink, I don't know,
00:28:18.660
six years ago, Carson K. I really like those guys. They seem really smart. They seem trustworthy.
00:28:25.300
Do you have a good legal team today? Let me read this to you. Let me read this to you. So I do have
00:28:32.020
a good legal team. Okay. That's my first question. I want to make sure that you're lawyered up because
00:28:35.700
you can't go in half-assed. Alistair Williamson, preparation outlined above, first day of court
00:28:41.860
hearing, £50,000 plus fat. Patrick Hill, brief three, outlined above, first day of court hearing,
00:28:47.220
£33,000 plus fat for him. Any subsequent court hearing days would be charged at a refresher rate
00:28:52.260
of £5,000 plus fat plus £3,300 plus fat. At this time, the hearing in October is set to last two days
00:28:58.260
and therefore we will include at least one refresher. That's 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100 plus fat,
00:29:04.500
120. In terms of Carson K of the A's, £25,000 plus fat. How could it be 140? This is part of it.
00:29:12.260
So that's £140,000. Which is like in Canadian money, that's over, it's close to a quarter million
00:29:17.940
dollars. It's around a quarter million dollars, Canadian. For a two-day trial. So this is the
00:29:22.820
point of, it's everywhere. So not only are they getting you in court, they drain you financially,
00:29:28.020
they tie you up. My problem, Ezra, the problem they have at the minute, which I believe,
00:29:33.140
after taking legal advice and spending £10,000 for an opinion, they haven't even served me an
00:29:38.260
injunction. They're taking me to court for breach of injunction that they never legally served me.
00:29:43.700
They actually didn't give me the injunction, they emailed it. Well, Justice Nicklin, who is the
00:29:48.820
judge in charge, we've got him already on another case saying email doesn't constitute service.
00:29:54.660
There's a legal process for service, they didn't follow it. And whether they stick to this in court,
00:30:00.180
they should be kicked out. They should be in trouble.
00:30:02.900
Well, let me say this, so much is right in on this. Those are astonishing numbers, but I know that
00:30:09.940
lawyers in the UK are very expensive. My personal opinion, for whatever it's worth,
00:30:15.060
is you can't afford a cheap lawyer. You need the best lawyers because they are throwing the unlimited
00:30:20.900
resources of the state against you. All their intelligence services, all their police,
00:30:25.940
all their prosecutors, Keir Starmer, the former chief prosecutor of the country,
00:30:30.500
they're coming down to bear on you. And so while that is an astonishingly large cost,
00:30:35.460
it's my personal opinion, it's worth it. You got to pay it.
00:30:38.900
Well, the thing is, the thing is, and they're saying it might not be two years,
00:30:46.020
And how do people chip into your legal defense fund?
00:30:48.340
HelpTommy.com. That's what it is in a minute. HelpTommy.com.
00:30:55.380
Now, let me ask you another question. Go ahead.
00:30:58.660
I'm sitting here. I'm looking, thinking at all this. All I've done is galvanize people in peaceful
00:31:04.500
protests and call out the corruption and the failures of a government and previous governments,
00:31:10.340
and point out to their policy failures, all of the reason there's tensions in this country,
00:31:15.780
and Keir Starmer's first speech where he condemned the lawyers actually poured petrol on the fire
00:31:22.500
He inflamed things. He was not a statesman. He was a partisan. He chose sides. That was a shocking
00:31:28.500
speech. Here's a clip of that. We'll put it in right here.
00:31:30.820
I utterly condemn the far-right thuggery we've seen this weekend. Be in no doubt,
00:31:38.900
those that have participated in this violence will face the full force of the law.
00:31:44.820
Yeah. I mean, that was not a healer. That was not someone looking to,
00:31:48.820
there was an amazing, did you see that amazing statement by that, um, very senior, uh, police
00:31:55.540
Yeah, she deleted it though. She deleted it. She had to delete it.
00:31:59.380
But that was an amazing statement that basically said riots bad, violence bad, but we must talk about
00:32:04.260
these underlying issues, which doesn't sound like a shocking thing to say if they were race riots,
00:32:09.460
if there were black riots. Like Keir Starmer personally took a knee for an American incident,
00:32:14.420
nothing to do with the UK, George Floyd, absolutely nothing to do with the UK. Keir
00:32:18.500
Starmer took a knee and was talking about how we need to underline, listen to underlying grievances.
00:32:23.060
But when it's indigenous British people, he says to jail with you.
00:32:26.500
And it, and then you, did you see they arrested someone yesterday for misinformation, for actual
00:32:32.020
misinformation. They arrested a lady because she put up the wrong information online.
00:32:37.380
They're arresting people for misinformation. This is a government that told us, including
00:32:41.860
Keir Starmer, I dug up one of his tweets today, saying that the AstraZeneca vaccine is 100% safe.
00:32:48.340
Right. Well, Keir, it's not. It's been proven not. So you, under your own guidelines now,
00:32:53.140
you need to be prosecuted. But the problem is, these laws are not implemented in that way.
00:32:57.300
They're looked for who they wanted to crush, and they'll use them on them.
00:33:00.580
Well, you know what? Lavrenti Beria, really the first boss of the proto KGB, he said,
00:33:07.540
I think he said this, I forget, Lenin or Stalin. He said, show me the man and I'll find you the crime.
00:33:14.660
As in, we've got him already. We've got everybody already. Everybody breaks some law. We have so
00:33:19.940
many laws, and the laws are so vague. So just show me the guy and I'll arrest him. Whether it's for
00:33:24.820
misinformation or inciting hate. It was incredible to see that head of prosecutions say, if something
00:33:33.300
is likely to incite feelings, if you're insulting someone, just insulting them, if it's likely to-
00:33:39.780
And you retweet it. If you retweet it, you retweet it, you can face prosecution.
00:33:43.940
I mean, what is hate but a human emotion? And, you know, I can get emotional-
00:33:49.060
They've scared, they've used this, they've used this as an opportunity to scare the public into
00:33:55.060
Yeah. Well, I want to ask you one more question about the legals before we move on.
00:33:58.900
Um, and it's just based on the last time they threw you away. Um, do you have- God forbid they
00:34:06.980
put you in jail and you're no longer able to make videos. You're no longer able to communicate.
00:34:13.620
They restrict your access to lawyers, which is what they did when you were in prison last time.
00:34:18.420
They made it exceedingly difficult for you to meet with lawyers. Do you have someone,
00:34:24.660
not a successor, but like an operator, a chief of staff, a commander who, if you are incommunicado,
00:34:35.620
No, Ezra. Are you volunteering yourself there, Ezra? Because I need someone. Do you know,
00:34:40.260
remember last time when I was in jail, I had, it took me three weeks. I'm in there unlawfully. It
00:34:44.820
was proven. It took me three weeks before I was meant to meet my lawyer. To say I was meeting my
00:34:48.260
lawyer on a Saturday, they come and got me Saturday morning and ship me to another jail.
00:34:52.260
So by the time the lawyer got to the prison, where is he? He's not here. It took another
00:34:55.700
three weeks. Well, you need, you need someone to be the quarterback. Like who will instruct
00:35:01.380
the lawyers? Who will do the crowdfunding? Who will do the messaging? Do you have someone?
00:35:06.500
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. But it'd probably be helpful if I link him up with you, Ezra.
00:35:10.580
Cause I remember last time when, when I was in jail last time, I'm sitting there thinking,
00:35:14.020
I know Ezra would know what to do. Well, I mean, my goal was just to, and maybe we're saying things
00:35:20.180
that we shouldn't publish to the, cause the police will be watching this. In fact, you want me to
00:35:24.340
delete this from the video? Yeah. Well, they're, they're, they're after us anyway, but what I need
00:35:31.860
is on the 28th and 29th, if that's the date of my trial as well, we need journalists there. We need
00:35:37.060
people there. 28th and 29th of which month of August? 28th and 29th October. Okay. October 28th
00:35:43.220
and 29th. And which court is that in? The High Court of London, the Royal Court of Justice.
00:35:48.900
Okay. I've been there before, uh, for some of your trouble, you know what? I'll do my best to attend.
00:35:53.460
I'll check my schedule. I, I remember when they put you in the back of that police van. I think that was
00:36:00.900
it, uh, in Leeds. I can't remember where that was. And they, and they swept you away right away,
00:36:05.620
10 minute hearing for contempt of court and you weren't seen from again. And, uh, and it, I guess
00:36:11.540
what I'm saying is it took a while to get the machinery going to crowdfund and to lawyer and to
00:36:17.460
get you out. Like it took, I think we wasted 30 days. Well, listen, I, I want to be careful because
00:36:22.980
I'm not a British national and, uh, I'm a reporter. I am an advocate and I am a crowdfunder and I do have
00:36:30.660
a legal background because I did practice as a lawyer 15 years ago.
00:36:35.620
There's going to be massive street presence. If, if, if I'm locked up for years for this film,
00:36:40.660
Well, I mean, I'm thinking about not just about you, but about your family. I mean,
00:36:44.420
I know you've been in prison before, but it is not a good place for you to be. Uh, I will talk
00:36:50.500
with your friends, but I want to, I want to make sure I have the right position. I don't want to be banned
00:36:54.740
from attending the UK because I, I want to go there to report. I want to be a reporter, but I
00:36:59.620
think that this is what drives me crazy. Tommy is, I mean, I'm, there are good people in the UK.
00:37:06.340
I like the free speech union, Toby Young's team. I've encouraged them to talk about your case. I
00:37:12.340
think they're shy. I like GB news and, and, and Dubsbury, Michelle Dubsbury is, is good. And there's
00:37:18.580
some good folks there. They're a little bit shy. There are not allowed to talk about me.
00:37:22.980
They're not allowed to. And he's so desperate to put space between you and him that he's poking
00:37:29.620
at you. I think, uh, excessively to try and demonstrate. He's not one of the bad guys.
00:37:34.500
Oh yeah. Because I think he just wants to be a Tory. So he wants the establishment Tories. I can see
00:37:38.740
Nigel fraud joining with the Tory party. And what he's trying to do is slam us to get the support of
00:37:42.580
the establishment Tories. Cause the problem Nigel, I think wants to be part of the establishment.
00:37:47.700
I want to bring the establishment down. Yeah. So there's two very different things.
00:37:52.100
Nigel wants to be in the establishment, cozy in part of it. We done that.
00:37:57.300
Do you have any allies? Do you, who are your allies?
00:38:01.220
Who are my allies? The people of Great Britain, the public.
00:38:04.580
Is there anyone? Do you have, I mean, I know there's the odd independent minded politician,
00:38:11.780
like a Lord Pearson of Rannock, but he's just one.
00:38:14.660
There's a hell of a lot of influential famous people who are now on site. We were on the borderline
00:38:23.460
on the 27th of July before this of every, lots of people coming out at the next event we would have
00:38:29.380
done. I think, I think, and I'm debating right now, Ezra, of calling a march for peace in my country
00:38:37.620
and leading it. Yeah. And leading it possibly on the 12th of October, possibly. So this is,
00:38:45.460
I'm thinking this now, you're trying to bring us down. I know we can control our supporters. I know
00:38:50.180
our support is not what you're implying it is. And I put a question out today saying,
00:38:54.180
shall we unite the kingdom again? I think a hundred thousand people will become a quarter
00:38:58.900
of a million if we do it next time. I think the country is ready and they know it. And that's why
00:39:04.020
they've manipulated the entire last seven days. They actually put out fake demonstrations to get
00:39:09.060
people out so they could get the headlines that they've controlled on every national media.
00:39:12.820
You know, 15 minutes ago, I talked about the deep state and was it a setup. Remember the deep state
00:39:17.220
doesn't just operate directly. They operate through surrogates like Antifa. I remember during the riots in
00:39:22.820
2020 that completely black block dress head to toe, people often with an umbrella to hide themselves
00:39:29.460
were going smashing. They were caught on tape getting the riots going. I don't think they were
00:39:34.500
necessarily FBI agents themselves, but they were surrogates. Antifa does that. And I know Antifa is
00:39:41.300
very active in the UK. Nick Knowles of the Soros funded NGO called Hope Not Hate. He's publicly boasting
00:39:48.580
about hoaxes. He tells lies about acid being thrown in the face of Muslim women that is later repeated
00:39:55.460
as a cause for riot. Here's a rioter citing an Antifa guy named Nick Knowles saying we have to
00:40:02.580
protect our Muslim sisters from having acid in the face. Take a look.
00:40:06.100
Our fathers have come from a different country to here. We were born here. We are British, Pakistanis.
00:40:13.140
We are Muslims. We will stand here. We will fight against the EDL. We will fight our ground.
00:40:18.660
That's it. That was a lie by an Antifa spokesman working in collusion with the government. So it's
00:40:33.460
not just the government. It's their agents. Hey, Tommy, let me ask you this. Let me just get quick
00:40:39.380
snappers on a few of these folks because I've seen them lately. Piers Morgan. On the one hand,
00:40:43.860
he talks about you and he actually does have some people quarrel with him like he's a real debater.
00:40:50.420
Any chance that you'll get on his platform or is he just forbidden to allow that?
00:40:55.380
He's a coward. He's a total coward. He knows if I get on his platform, I will humiliate him. He's
00:41:00.820
come out and made statements that he can't back up. I know he can't back them up. Any statements I've
00:41:05.140
made, I can back up. But he's a good debater. He's a good debater. He's clever. He's smart. He's fast.
00:41:10.420
I think he's one of the more open-minded people in the establishment. You've been on his show before,
00:41:15.780
Yeah. And I ruined him. He come across as a ridiculous.
00:41:18.180
Well, I wish he'd have you on because I think not only would that be,
00:41:23.140
I did not see his response, Ezra. I called him out yesterday. I said,
00:41:26.660
rather than continue lying about me, why don't you have me on? Give the public what they want. Let's
00:41:29.940
discuss this issue. And then he put, get up off your knees. This is embarrassing. He's like,
00:41:34.660
mate, you're meant to be one of the top debaters. You're a coward. You sit there and you want to
00:41:38.980
lie about me without a right to reply. And that's the point. That's what he wants to do.
00:41:42.660
And the reason why, Ezra, is because truth's on my side. It's not on his. He knows that.
00:41:47.780
You know, I think that you could appeal to some of his instincts. I'm more sympathetic to him. I
00:41:52.980
agree with you that he's being a bit of a chicken and I think he's treating you unfairly. I just think
00:41:58.020
that the two of you together, I think that would be a fascinating conversation. And I don't know,
00:42:03.060
I just, I just wish it would happen. He should have watched our film and he should
00:42:06.820
have come out like a man. He should have apologized to the young English boy, Bailey. He should have
00:42:10.980
come out, held his hands up and said, look, I messed up. But he's in a position where 40 million
00:42:14.980
people have watched it. People are tweeting him all day, every day, calling him out for his
00:42:18.020
disgraceful journalism, his disgraceful part that he played in that story. And he's obviously not
00:42:22.900
happy because I've made the film. But Piers, be a man about it. Piers, be a man. We all make mistakes.
00:42:27.780
Own it. Own your mistake. Accept when you were wrong. Just like you were wrong for pushing the
00:42:31.540
vaccine, accept it. Accept you were wrong on this. Just like Piers was wrong for falsely
00:42:36.420
accusing the British armed forces of torturing people. Piers was wrong for hacking dead kids'
00:42:40.980
phones. Piers, you've been wrong many times and you want to levy and try and take the moral
00:42:44.820
high ground with me. And the reason is, if we sat down and had this discussion, he loses. He loses and he knows it.
00:42:50.340
Well, that'd be very, and let me ask you, I admire GB News. I think that the backers of it
00:42:56.980
have poured an enormous amount of money in. They're philosophically tilt towards freedom.
00:43:02.100
I think they've held the other media to account. They have talked about issues like migration,
00:43:08.820
you know, illegal migration, crime, things that the others don't. They're not perfect,
00:43:15.140
but I think in the UK media landscape they're as good as it gets. What are your thoughts on GB
00:43:21.940
News? And remember, they're laboring under Ofcom legislation. If they go too far,
00:43:26.260
they'll be shut down. What's your candid take on GB News?
00:43:31.140
My take is that what they've done to Mark Stein, what they've done to Calvin Robertson,
00:43:35.780
what they've done to Dan Worm, what they've done to Lawrence Fox was disgraceful. That's my take,
00:43:40.820
Okay, but put that aside. I think some of that is more HR personnel stuff. But what about, I mean,
00:43:47.380
They do good work. They do good work. And their presenters have some fabulous presenters pushing
00:43:51.780
the points. And to be honest, they are pushing the points. And they're bringing about more debate.
00:43:55.860
I think you had someone covering your July 27 rally, am I right?
00:44:01.540
All right, well listen, I think, frankly, in a world with very few allies, I would put them in the good
00:44:08.260
They do great work. They do great work. I probably am being a bit bitter because they
00:44:14.420
continually allow people on their platform to make lies about me, and they never give me a right to
00:44:18.900
reply. Now, real journalism is having both sides of the story. If you want to have someone sitting
00:44:23.300
there slagging me off and talking about me, have my opportunity for me to count on what they're
00:44:27.540
saying. And I have the same with Nigel Farage. Don't Nigel Farage come out just now instead?
00:44:32.900
And the reason he'd done it is when I was arrested on the coward terrorism legislation,
00:44:36.420
all of his own base would have been demanding that he's now a politician, speak about this
00:44:41.380
abuse of power that I've been asking him to. So to get around the need to speak about it,
00:44:45.140
because he's a coward when it comes to mention my name, he sat there and said,
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it wasn't to do with terrorism. It was to do with a passport offence.
00:44:53.540
You know what? Let me tell you a little story. I don't know if you know this, but on July 4th,
00:44:59.140
election day in the UK, I went to the town of Clacton where Nigel Farage was the candidate.
00:45:04.260
I wanted to see what would happen. And I thought that would be the most exciting place to be. And
00:45:08.820
I spent a couple of days in that seaside city. And I didn't know that in the UK, it takes till
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like 4am to count the votes. I like it. It looks very rigorous and trustworthy. I wish America
00:45:21.300
were so rigorous. Anyway, so I'm milling around like it's 2am, 3am. And you just,
00:45:26.900
what do you do? You talk to other people milling around. So there were a bunch of Reform UK staff,
00:45:33.780
like senior volunteers, local organizers. And Tommy, at least four of them came up to me and said,
00:45:41.300
hey, we saw Tommy Robinson in Canada. How did that whole thing go? Because this was shortly after
00:45:46.580
you were in Canada doing your tour. So I was talking to all these Reform UK officials,
00:45:51.620
and they were big Tommy fans. They wanted to talk to me about how your Canadian tour went.
00:45:56.500
In comes Nigel Farage. And they're all, you know, saluting the boss. What makes, I mean,
00:46:02.340
I guess what I'm saying is, I bet you, if you could do some sort of a survey of a thousand randomly
00:46:10.180
selected Reform UK people, I bet you 75% of them would be like those blokes I met who were pro Tommy.
00:46:17.460
That's just a little anecdote. I really enjoyed the fact that they were bantering with me about you
00:46:22.900
Did you see my question that I asked our supporters when we had 100,000 people in
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I said, put your hand up if you voted for Labour. No one put their hand up.
00:46:31.700
Put your hand up if you voted for the Conservative Party. No one put their hand up.
00:46:35.220
I said, put your hand up if you voted for Reform. And the whole place put their hands up.
00:46:39.620
So I said, Nigel, please, right? Stop kicking people out of your party for having an association or
00:46:44.500
supporting or saying words about me. Because as you've seen today, you'll have no people left.
00:46:49.780
So just stop it. Stop lying about me. Let's call it a truce. I don't want to be at war with you.
00:46:54.500
I think you've done some great work, but please stop using your platform on TV to slander or lie
00:47:00.180
about me. You are following. He says he's against the mainstream, but then he takes the mainstream
00:47:05.460
I think he's scared. I mean, I saw, I don't think he's quite found his stride on this issue
00:47:10.980
because he is so connected to the establishment. So he's sort of like he's an in-house dissident.
00:47:17.300
He's not outside the castle. He's in the castle. He's in a funny place. I wish him well. I think he is
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the most consequential politician in the UK since Margaret Thatcher.
00:47:27.220
Brexit, I mean, the man will go down in history for that. His fight against
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debanking, very important. I have hope for him yet, by the way. Hey, let me tell you something
00:47:38.580
that I say whenever, I mean, I like going to the UK and I started doing that when you worked with us
00:47:42.740
because I wanted to see what was going on. And here's what I think about Tommy Robinson. Tommy Robinson
00:47:49.860
is inviting millions of working class Brits, especially men, especially working class,
00:47:58.820
in the North, to stay peaceful, to stay positive, to stay constructive, to go to a rally of 100,000
00:48:09.860
people peacefully, multiracial, black people, brown people, like you had such a diversity there. And it
00:48:17.140
almost had a festival feeling, like it was so positive. Tommy Robinson's is actually stopping
00:48:24.100
the radicalization of working class indigenous British men. Tommy Robinson is pulling those people
00:48:31.860
back into their system and saying, don't give up yet. Don't get violent. Don't go for a violent
00:48:36.740
revolution. Come for a peaceful revolution. I believe, frankly, that you are stopping the
00:48:42.660
radicalization and the fact that they're demonizing you, that either it's in good faith, they just disagree
00:48:48.660
with you. Or maybe they want full-out war. Maybe they don't want the peaceful alternative.
00:48:54.340
I think so. And that's what I would say to anyone in the establishment, is if you
00:48:59.140
end the Tommy Robinson phenomenon, these millions of disenfranchised, working-class,
00:49:05.300
indigenous, white Brits, they're not going to suddenly be, you know, I mean, and what's so
00:49:09.860
interesting is Keir Starmer is declaring war on his own people. Those working-class, northern,
00:49:13.940
white Brits, they vote labor. And where are they going to go? Where are they going to go? Are
00:49:18.420
they going to, they are going to get angry and that, and there will be much worse than the EDL.
00:49:24.020
There will be terrible things if those people are not welcomed into the system in a positive,
00:49:28.020
peaceful, constructive way. Totally. And I think they don't, they want it. Like even,
00:49:34.340
one of the videos, I looked up what I said, and what I said is men, men in these cities,
00:49:38.740
these kids on the streets, because a lot of them are young, they're angry, they're upset.
00:49:42.660
They need leadership. You have to lead them. The reason why we were successful is because we led,
00:49:48.180
we led what we said, take the balaclavas off, put the bloody rock down, right? We will give you a
00:49:53.620
voice. And that's what I stressed in the build-up. We've done such a good job in the build-up to say
00:49:59.220
to people, Ezra, when I was 25 years old, when I started the English Offensive League, I put a balaclava.
00:50:04.420
We all did. We all run through the streets. We'd done that because there was no voice. There was no
00:50:08.340
one listening to us. We were angry. No one would listen to us. And people are now listening only
00:50:13.540
because of Elon Musk, which is what I stress. We've now got a platform where we're reaching
00:50:17.860
far more people. I think I've got double the support that GB News have, much bigger reach than GB News
00:50:23.380
currently just on my X account. So we are reaching the masses, follow the way we say to do it. Give us
00:50:30.500
a chance at having our voices heard, at changing the culture of the UK. We changed the culture,
00:50:37.620
we changed the politics. And people signed up to that. And they came, and I watched. Some lads were
00:50:42.260
getting angry, and there was a little bit of an argument going on. I was looking on the stage,
00:50:45.700
and I looked, and as they looked over, they just went, all right, all right. Because they know what
00:50:50.500
we've told them. They know the direction we've put them in. We haven't put them in a direction for
00:50:55.140
chaos or violence. And do you know why I stress that? Because look at these lads now going to prison.
00:50:59.860
These kids are angry, and now they're getting taken away from their homes. They're working class
00:51:03.780
men at 58 years old, banged up in prison for three years. They're going to get terrorists in jail. I know what
00:51:08.740
they're getting. As soon as they land in jail, and they're associated with Tommy Robinson or the right wing,
00:51:13.140
they're going to get hurt by the Muslims in there. They've got terrible prison sentences,
00:51:16.500
and they're putting targets on all their heads. They're just angry young men. And every time there's
00:51:20.580
a riot in any other community, the politicians sit down and say, we have to understand where
00:51:25.780
the anger's coming from. Not on this. On this, it's just, you're all racist, you're all far right,
00:51:30.660
and you're all going to jail. Yeah. You know, I remember the English Defense League or the EDL,
00:51:36.100
and I know you basically shut it down more than a decade ago now, if my math is right.
00:51:43.780
If you look at the Google searches, we've done a video on it earlier, looking at it,
00:51:47.380
it has been debunked, not even mentioned since 2017.
00:51:50.580
And it was shut down, and you were the leader, and you renounced it because it was being
00:51:53.700
infiltrated. And to hear Keir Starmer, the media always say, Tommy Robinson, founder of the EDL.
00:52:00.820
The EDL has not been a thing for a decade, but they want it to be so badly because they want that enemy.
00:52:06.900
They don't ask the court base to be that. That's what they want.
00:52:09.780
They don't want the white working class indigenous Brits to be normalized and enfranchised. They want
00:52:15.300
them to be outside, but they want them to be evil, violent outsiders. It's clear that they want that.
00:52:20.100
They want you to be that, but you're not cooperating. You're not reading their script.
00:52:24.580
And we beat them. And essentially, we sent the best message to the world in a massive success.
00:52:30.420
When we left that Trafalgar Square, I said, we've done it. We absolutely done it. Do you know what we've
00:52:35.620
done? We harnessed and channeled people's anger into a festival celebration of their identity and
00:52:42.580
culture. All the things have been taken from. We give those people a sense of belief, belonging,
00:52:47.620
and a vision. We give them a vision. And that's what we're in the process of doing. We're still
00:52:52.500
going to do it. It doesn't matter if we're imprisoned. We're still going to do it. You see
00:52:56.740
the 48% or the 52% of people who don't vote. We're going to electrify them. We're going to bring them
00:53:03.380
together. We're going to give them a vision and a direction, and we will challenge the establishment.
00:53:08.660
It doesn't matter whether they delay it for a year, two years, three years, four years. It is inevitable.
00:53:14.580
And what they don't want is someone that can galvanize them as someone that's going to do that.
00:53:19.140
So see you later, Tommy Robinson. Rest in peace, Tommy Robinson.
00:53:22.260
Well, listen, there's been, how many Osmond warnings have you received? Just for our viewers
00:53:27.940
in Canada and America, an Osmond warning is when police have concrete, actionable intelligence
00:53:34.340
that you are about to be killed. Someone's coming to kill you. They have an obligation to physically
00:53:39.860
hand deliver to you a warning, letting you know you're in danger. How many Osmond
00:53:43.220
warnings have you received from the police? 12, sir. 12. 12. Just for our viewers to know,
00:53:48.100
that's 12 genuine death, not just death threats, but plots to kill Tommy Robinson. That's just
00:53:57.060
on the streets, let alone when he was put in prison and let alone what the cops would likely want to do.
00:54:03.780
I am worried about your safety. Just really quickly, I see that you've been doing the American
00:54:10.260
circuit. You've sort of broken in to the American news bubble. My friend, Ann Coulter,
00:54:14.820
talked to you yesterday. Give me a quick rundown. I know you're on Alex Jones's show from time to
00:54:19.780
time. Give me a quick rundown of some of the Americans and other foreigners you're talking to.
00:54:23.540
I've done Charlie Kirk. I've done what I do yesterday. I've done so many years, right? So
00:54:31.780
do you know what? I've done so many. Do you know how refreshing it was to hear these people sit there
00:54:34.980
and say, we've followed you for years and we support you. We don't, we don't, I've done Alex
00:54:38.740
Stein last night. He's hilarious. Was he funny? Yeah, he's brilliant every time, isn't he?
00:54:45.300
He's such a cheeky guy. He reminds me of Gavin to kill us a little bit. Sorry, I interrupted you.
00:54:49.860
Tell me more. Yeah, Ann Coulter, Ann Coulter, Alex Jones. It's great to see Alex Jones back as well,
00:54:55.380
because remember these people were, he was like me. He was toxic. They destroyed him. They ended him.
00:55:00.660
And then, and see someone who they've spent all that money in that effort and that, that effort to
00:55:05.300
demonize and destroy to then have the credibility that he's now got. I enjoy watching that. I think
00:55:10.820
it's brilliant to see someone come back from the dead, essentially, because they, they made him
00:55:14.900
dead. They made me dead. Yeah. And to see now, and it's like, they should, they, you need to address
00:55:19.700
why we're the biggest voice in the UK. Yeah. You need to address why, but it's not, it's not like,
00:55:26.340
you need to look at why people are looking to us. Yeah. If you want to solve the country's problems,
00:55:30.980
if you don't want to solve them and you want to keep burying them and trying to bury them,
00:55:33.620
but at some point it's, it always comes to the top. And what you've seen in the last seven days
00:55:37.300
is it's come to the top. And you may, you may hide that now, and you may hide it under the far
00:55:41.940
right banner. The problems haven't gone away. The feelings of communities are not gone. The tension,
00:55:47.140
the anger, the frustration, you've just buried it temporarily. It's going to come back. It's going
00:55:51.860
to come back. So we've got a lot of work to do as a country. We've got a lot of work to do as a
00:55:57.300
people, but the message we send back to the establishment again, we ain't backing down. If you think
00:56:02.980
your intimidation, your threats, your imprisonment and all this, it's going to scare us into silence.
00:56:06.980
It's not. It doesn't work with us. Surely you've realized that. It does not work. And in fact,
00:56:10.980
whatever you move you make next actually galvanizes our support base. Eat the wank. So imprison us,
00:56:17.060
you're going to galvanize the free Tommy movement like you've never seen before. You better be ready
00:56:21.140
for it because it's going to come. So you're going to galvanize the support base. No matter how much
00:56:25.140
you far right label them, you try to crush them, people aren't backing down anymore. You know what?
00:56:29.300
They're not backing down because they generally see their country is in danger. They generally see
00:56:33.860
the future of their children is at risk now. We see it. Everyone sees it. And I'm in the privileged
00:56:40.740
position that I get to experience the public feeling everywhere I walk. So I know, and we're in a bad
00:56:48.340
time but a good time. We're in a good time because the public are totally awake. They're awake and ready.
00:56:54.340
And again, I wish to lead them in nothing but peaceful resistance. And we're not going to stop.
00:57:01.780
Well, Tommy, you've been very generous with your time and I want to let you go because I know you
00:57:04.980
have a lot of things on the go and on your mind. My number one worry is for your safety.
00:57:11.220
I just, I'm worried about that because there's, you've been demonized to millions of people and,
00:57:18.980
and you might have one kook who says- That's why they're doing it. That's why they're doing it.
00:57:25.540
You've had 12 actionable death plots against you. My second worry, which is growing, is legal help.
00:57:35.300
Now you've convinced me that you have an excellent law firm. My God, are they expensive. But I, I believe
00:57:40.580
you need the best lawyers in the UK. That's my view. I, I'll talk with you maybe more offline about
00:57:46.180
what happens, God forbid, if, if you're swept off the streets, made incommunicado, because-
00:57:51.620
That's what I think they're going to do. That's what I'm surprised. That's what I think. They,
00:57:54.900
they are sitting there and they can't handle the fact that the public are on our side. That's the
00:57:59.940
reality. The public on our side. So they keep trying to crush it and stop it. And if every comment
00:58:04.580
on every article everywhere is in support of us and against the establishment, here, Starmer has had
00:58:09.860
the worst start of any prime minister I've ever seen. He's divided this nation more than anyone could
00:58:14.100
ever dream of. Yeah. And then coming down like a tyrannical regime of, uh, of the Soviet,
00:58:19.220
that's what he's done and that ain't going to work. So yeah, I worry that at some point,
00:58:23.860
bang, Tommy Robinson's in jail and that's what will happen. I'll be detained. I'll be held,
00:58:28.340
whether it be in the country I'm in, I'll be taken to another country. I think there was,
00:58:33.300
there are red things that they were talking about transporting people to the Falklands.
00:58:36.660
I saw that. Yeah. I tell you, um, Keir Starmer ran for parliament as the son of a tool maker,
00:58:43.860
but, uh, he's running as prime minister, as a tyrannical prosecutor. It's just atrocious.
00:58:49.540
Well, stay safe, my friend and stay peaceful. I know you will. That's your mission is to keep
00:58:55.140
these millions of disenfranchised Brits, positive, constructive, hopeful, and nonviolent. The violence
00:59:02.900
has come from the other side, even if the mainstream media lies about it. Um, your,
00:59:09.700
your journalism website is urban scoop. What's the web, the URL for that again?
00:59:18.260
By the way, congratulations on Sammy Woodhouse, outstanding citizen journalist. I admire her as
00:59:25.540
Ezra, they're going for it. They're going for it. So her local paper, so all urban scoops have
00:59:31.300
received this week is hit piece after hit piece where they're going for her.
00:59:35.700
She's a saint who lived through hell and is now a positive community force and excellent
00:59:41.460
citizen journalist. I can't believe they're going after, that's like saying they're going after
00:59:48.260
They're going for it. They're going for it because again, she's giving a credible voice
00:59:51.540
and she's showing what's happening on the street and she's giving the public a voice.
00:59:55.780
I'm appalled to hear that. All right, Tommy, thanks for taking so much time,
01:00:04.180
There you have it. Tommy Robinson, the man in the center of the news in the United Kingdom,
01:00:09.300
someone that Rebel News has had an affiliation with for years. We've interviewed him really
01:00:15.860
since the inception of our channel. He worked for us for about a year as a journalist and we've
01:00:20.500
kept in touch for him, including about six years ago, crowdfunding his legal defense.
01:00:25.780
I hope that it sounds like he does have strong lawyers around him. I'm glad. A little bit of a
01:00:30.820
team. I'm a little worried of what happens when he's no longer able to use that great asset of
01:00:36.580
Twitter. Tommy's strength comes from Twitter, which is why they try so hard to censor him.
01:00:43.300
Not only can he get his message out that way, but he can ask for help.
01:00:46.020
If you take him out of it, he can no longer talk, no longer use that huge audience,
01:00:53.300
no longer direct them and lead them. And he may even be cut off in some ways from his legal team.
01:01:00.260
We've seen that happen to him before. Well, a very interesting hour and I hope you found it
01:01:07.780
interesting as well. That's our show for the day. Until next week, when we have big news in Canada,
01:01:13.460
Tamara Leach, back in trial. If you can believe it, Canada's Tommy Robinson. They're persecuting
01:01:19.380
her, turning the process into the punishment, led a peaceful protest, the trucker convoy. She's back
01:01:25.060
in court on Tuesday. I'll be in Ottawa on Tuesday morning with our young reporter, Sarah Stock. Both of
01:01:31.940
us will be covering the trial on Tuesday. Sarah will stay all week. I have to move on to a few
01:01:37.220
other things, but I will be there when the trial resumes on Tuesday. Until next week,
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on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters and around the world, to you at home,