EZRA LEVANT ｜ Feature interview with Inna Vernikov, a rising star of the Republican Party
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Ina Vernikoff is a conservative city councilor in New York City. She s a conservative escapee from a former Soviet regime, and she s fighting to bring government back to the people and out of the hands of dictators.
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Hello, my friends. Today, a feature interview with, I think, one of the more interesting
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up-and-comers in the Republican Party, a conservative Republican in New York City.
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Like, actually in the city. How is it even possible? Well, we'll talk to her in a feature
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Tonight, a feature interview with a rising star of the Republican Party. It's August 29th,
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It's great to be back in the studio. I've missed too many days, and I have some good reasons for
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that. I had a little bit of elective surgery, went very well. Thank you for your patience,
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and I was doing some traveling, but I missed being here because there were so many things
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I wanted to talk about. Today, we're going to talk to something I find very interesting,
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a young, up-and-coming Republican city councilor in New York City, and you might be saying,
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why do I care about a city councilor in New York City? I mean, that's a very minor role in politics.
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Well, that's true, although it is America's most important city by a number of reasons. The fact
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that she's a Republican in a Democrat city is interesting to me, and the fact that she's a
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conservative escapee from a former Soviet regime. I don't know. I like following her on Twitter,
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and I thought, well, let's just talk to her and see what she's like. I hope you'll agree with me.
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I have other shows I'm looking forward to doing this week, including a fake CBC fact check on that
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factory in London, Ontario that's making crickets for human consumption, eating crickets,
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super gross, other stories coming up. So I will be working hard this week, and I've been working
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hard all these days, other than when I was in surgery, but I thank you so much for your patience,
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and I'm grateful to my friends, including David Menzies and Sheila Gunn-Reed for covering for me.
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So without further ado, here is my interview recorded short moments ago with council member
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Fighting to bring government back to the people and out of the hands of dictators.
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And we're here to say that the era of Trump and Zeldin and Molinaro just jump on a bus and head down to
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Florida where you belong, okay? Get out of town. Get out of town. Because you don't represent our
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values. You are not New Yorkers. You're not New Yorkers.
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Well, that was a clip of governor of New York, Kathy Hochul, basically saying, if you don't like
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Democrats, if you don't vote for me, get out of the state. That's an unusual way to
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treat a large chunk of the population. Just because they didn't vote for you doesn't mean
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you're not their governor, too. Well, there's one Republican in New York who I know will not be
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leaving the state because of Governor Hochul's order, and that's a young up-and-comer from New York
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City. In fact, she is the New York City minority whip on city council, council member Ina Vernikoff,
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who's become, I think, a bit of a social media star, but not in a shallow manner like, say,
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. As I've watched council member Vernikoff over the last year, I see someone
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who's deeply engrossed in the most important issues of the day, and I find that remarkable given that
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her job is mainly to serve a particular district in New York, but so many of the battles she fights
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in New York, I think, are thematically of interest to anyone around America, or indeed even to us up
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here in Canada. So it's a delight to finally meet and talk to, via Skype, council member Ina Vernikoff
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from the 48th District of New York City. What a pleasure to meet you. Thanks for taking the time
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with us. Good to meet you. Thanks so much for having me. Well, it's my pleasure. I mean, I think
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my first question is, how do you exist? I mean, how did you become a Republican in one of the most
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Democrat-leaning cities in America? I mean, you're supposed to be a Democrat. You yourself came to
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America as an immigrant. You are in a city of immigrants. Aren't you supposed to be a Hillary
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Clinton Democrat? Yeah, so it's like Republicans are like dinosaurs, right, in New York City.
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No, I mean, look, when we came to America, which was in 1996 when I was 12 years old, I think everybody
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was pretty much a Democrat, and I think it was a very different Democratic Party back then in 96
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than it is now. This is a totally different party today. I think it's a party that's moving
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in a very different direction. I think it's pretty much un-American. You know, I came here
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as a child, and the notion that was really instilled in me was the American dream, the land
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of opportunity. You know, things were based on merit, that if you work hard here, you can attain
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anything. This is a very, very different party today. It's a party that's moving towards communism,
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communism, which is a place where we escaped. I came from the former Soviet Union, which is now
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Ukraine. And we escaped all of that and came to a land of freedom and opportunity. And I think that
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this is such a different place now. And I, you know, you mentioned a couple of things about what
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I'm supposed to be doing and what I'm really doing. And I know that, of course, my major part of my job
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is to, you know, make sure the streets are clean and there's enough traffic lights. And of course,
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we're doing that very well. But I also didn't do it just for that. I did it to stand up for,
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for really for America, for American values, you know, for what America once was. And to speak out
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for my community. This is a very conservative Republican community district that I represent.
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And they're very angry about the Democratic Party and what the Democratic Party is doing
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to this country, to our state and our city. And so I'm here to do that. And that's why you hear me
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voicing my opinions and many of the things and criticizing our politicians for the way they're
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running our city or state in our country. Well, you know, listening to you talk about how
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coming from a former Soviet communist regime has informed your views on freedom, it reminds me
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of some of the young Latino and Latina candidates for the Republicans. And again, those are people who
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were supposed to vote Democrat, but they see in the language of today's Democrats, the language of
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authoritarianism, of big government, of violation of civil liberties, of, you know, socialism. And I
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think one of the reasons why newcomers to America are, in my view, thankfully, tracking towards the
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right parties on the right is because they know how this movie ends. They know how terrible it can
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become if you do give government certain powers. Where are you on civil liberties issues? For two years
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here in Canada, we've had very abusive lockdowns. New York City was was pretty bad, too. What's your take
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on how the government responded to the pandemic? I'm of the view that the lockdowns were, in fact, more
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punitive and more damaging than the pandemic itself. How do you see it?
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Yeah, I mean, I'll tell you, look, the first two weeks of the pandemic, I'll tell you, honestly,
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I was pretty freaked out. I did all the things they said on CNN and everywhere else, you know, I sanitized
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my doors and washed my vegetables three times. So I was pretty freaked out. I think we didn't know a lot
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about the pandemic. We didn't have proper therapeutics. But I think after some point, you know, after months
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and months have passed, and we know a lot about this disease, this virus, and we know how to treat
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it. And there, you know, so many people already had it and have immunity to it, that at some point,
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these mandates and lockdowns became incredibly unreasonable. And it's so we can understand why
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people feel that there's major government overreach in these mandates and the lockdowns and just all of
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the things that they're obligating us to do. And I'll give you an example right now, the CDC came
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out with new guidelines just recently, I think it was about two weeks ago, very quietly, no media really
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reported on this. But basically, what they're saying is that if you had COVID, it has essentially
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the same effect as if you were vaccinated, right? And then we still have these mandates in our city
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city, where you are, if you're not going to get the vaccine, if you're a city worker, you're going
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to get fired. So right now we have firefighters, cops, and teachers, we have about 1300 teachers on
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the verge of getting fired if they don't take the vaccine. And so since the CDC came out with these
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new guidelines that went quiet, it is completely unreasonable to still have these mandates. If you
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didn't need this vaccine to begin with, then why would you fire people for not getting the vaccine
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they never needed in the first place? It makes absolutely no sense. We actually have a meeting
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with the mayor of New York City shortly. We're, you know, we're going to, we already have the meeting,
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it's set up. And we're going to talk to the mayor very seriously about the vaccine mandates. We're going
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to really ask for him to, to eliminate the mandate. It's, it's really no longer needed.
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Now, how likely is that? I was a little bit hopeful when the mayor won, because he,
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he seemed to be a little bit more focused on law and order. He was a former cop himself.
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He seemed to be a little more rational on the lockdown issues. I don't know if that's the case. I mean,
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he, he kept the mask mandate on for young children for such a long time. Is it still mandatory masks for,
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for young kids in New York? I mean, I'm a little bit shocked to hear that there's still mandates
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for teachers and firemen. That sounds unusual, isn't it? Is, is New York still the, one of the most
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locked down places, maybe locked down is the wrong word. Is it the most masked and mandated city in
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America? I mean, how bad is it there? I mean, I think the problem is, is that they,
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they, this virus was politicized. And I think it was politicized both on the right and on the left.
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And I think these issues have become political. So the mayor basically says that he just listens
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to his health commissioner. So whatever his health commissioner says, that's what goes,
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which I think is really unreasonable too, because commission, the health commissioner is just one
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guy. He's one doctor with one opinion. And it was also, I mean, I'm sure you saw how the opinions,
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if you, if you had a different opinion, if you were a scientist, if you were a virologist that had
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a different opinion from Dr. Fauci, you were canceled, you were humiliated, you know, anything
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you said was fake news. So I think it's extremely politicized now. And you have to understand that
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the mayor of New York city, you know, there are millions of people here who have very different
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opinions. We have people who are on the extreme left, on the extreme right, centrist,
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independents, non-voters, all kinds of people with all kinds of opinions. And the mayor
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is a politician who has to satisfy all groups. And, you know, these decisions are, I think,
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political. I don't believe that the mayor himself believes in the mandate. I think if it were up
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to him solely, I think that he would, you know, I think that he would get rid of it.
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How are New Yorkers? Is it still an extremely Democrat town? You say there's a great diversity,
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opinion. Has the lockdowns and the mask rules and the mandates, has that sort of scrambled
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the old map? Here in Canada, some people who used to be for the Liberal Party, you know,
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that party was very strong pro-choice messaging, my body, my choice. A lot of those people said,
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hang on, I thought that's what we believed in. And now you're mandating vaccines. People in the
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Green Party, you know, personal health choices, not overdoing pharmaceuticals, having natural,
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you know, healthy diets and things like that. They were shocked that their party endorsed
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Big Pharma. I guess what I'm saying is in Canada, there's sort of a new coalition of people who
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probably wouldn't have got together three years ago. But now people, a lot of people on the left,
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for example, people, social justice activists, saw how the lockdowns disproportionately punished
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working class people and minorities. Is there an awakening in New York that has sort of scrambled
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the old left, right, Democrat, Republican spectrum? I think there is. I'll tell you that when I was
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campaigning, I can't even tell you how many Democrats came up to me and asked me, are you pro-mandate or
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against the mandate? And I would say against mandate, you know, I'm not anti-vaccine. If you
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want to get the vaccine, you should get it. But I would tell them I'm against the mandate because
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I'm pro-freedom and free choice. And they would say, you know what, I'm a Democrat and I never voted
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Republican in my life, but I'm going to vote for you because I'm against the mandates. I can't even
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tell you how many times that happened to me. And I don't think it's really a Democrat, Republican,
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conservative issue anymore. I think just people are really fed up. And I think that we'll see
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more Democrats voting the other direction just because they're sick and tired and angry at the
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way this government has handled the pandemic and other issues as well. Let me ask you about
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something that I found surprising. I mean, of course, everyone loves New York City. It's one of the
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world's great cities. It also happens to be one of the world's most Jewish cities outside of Tel Aviv.
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I think it actually has the largest Jewish population in the world. So I was shocked to see on your
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Twitter feed the uptick in antisemitism in such a Jewish city, not just a Jewish city, but a
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progressive city, a city that thinks of itself as being exquisitely caring for human rights. Tell me
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a little bit about antisemitism in New York, including at the City University of New York. I was startled to
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hear it. I can't even believe it, really. But tell me what you're seeing.
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So the rises in antisemitism is about 300 percent up. So it's everywhere. It's in many different forms.
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People getting beaten up on the street, people being discriminated against at school, just, you know,
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in social media. There are really different things happening. I think the worst of it is, you know,
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somebody beaten on a Jew. It's mostly happening on the streets to visible Jews who wear a yarmulke or,
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you know, a Jewish symbol. And it's extremely horrifying for me to watch as someone who
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his family escaped that. I mean, a lot of families from the Soviet Union escaped that
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because there was so much antisemitism there. You know, again, all kinds of discrimination. I mean,
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I remember when I was in school in my town in the Ukraine, there was an older gentleman who was beat
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up because he was Jewish right across the street. I remember this incident very well,
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although I was young. And, you know, it stayed with me. And I remember the antisemitism
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in universities. I remember that families had to change last names. You know, I actually,
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my grandfather told us that our last name wasn't really Vernikoff, that it was changed to sound less
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Jewish. Because if you were a Jewish student, you know, you couldn't get into medical school.
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You, even if you did, you got bad grades because you were Jewish. So escaping all of that and coming
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to America, the land of the free and, you know, supposed to be, what's supposed to be a land of tolerance.
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And, you know, to come here and see this happening in 2022 is really horrifying for me to watch.
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But the antisemitism at CUNY is something that's been happening at least since 2015. I know that
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because I've been following it. For me, it started with, there was a rally for tuition hikes, against
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tuition hikes that was hijacked by the Students for Justice in Palestine outside Hunter College.
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In 2015, somebody was assaulted. And I was really shocked about what was happening, but also shocked
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about the administration's lack of response. And so I've been following that issue for a long time.
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I wrote in articles about it. I started being involved in different organizations to fight antisemitism
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at CUNY and in general. So this is nothing really new. I've had tons of students come to me
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to help them deal with antisemitism at their school. They've launched complaints and nothing
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happened. And so one of my priorities when getting elected into the city council was to fight
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antisemitism in general, but also at CUNY. I wanted to specifically highlight the antisemitism at CUNY
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because nobody had been talking about it for years. And it's been going unnoticed. Nobody has
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been held accountable for what's been going on. And so this was not news at all.
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What's the reason for that? You mentioned Students for Justice in Palestine, so it sounds like there's some
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Middle East politics spilling over into America. Is that it, or is it sort of wokeism that has decided that
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Jews are oppressors and that, you know, just like there may be anti, just sort of taking a Marxist
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approach to race and religion? Is it more sort of a progressive, almost critical race theory approach
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to Jews? Or is this just diaspora politics coming into the streets of New York?
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Yeah, I mean, I definitely think the left has a lot to do with this. I think that what happens is when
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they tie Jews to Israel, that's when it becomes a problem. I think that nobody really has an issue
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standing up against antisemitism and condemning antisemitism. But when it comes to Israel or when
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they just conflate it with Israel and BDS, that's when it becomes a problem. Because, you know, if you
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don't support BDS here in New York City, you are a racist, you know, they call Israelis Nazis, they say
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Israelis kill babies. And just, you know, the PR of it all, the way that Israel is viewed in New York
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City by the left is very disturbing and really false. So because of that, they're afraid. A lot of
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politicians and leaders are afraid to say anything to condemn antisemitism because they're seen as
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the supporters of Israel, the state of Israel, and the state of Israel is a very bad guy in their eyes. So it
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becomes complex, especially at the university campus. But I, you know, I wanted to highlight not just that, not just BDS and
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Israel, I wanted to highlight the fact that students are afraid to simply wear a yarmulke or a Star of
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David when they're going to campus because they're, you know, they're afraid they're going to be either
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assaulted, they're afraid that if people know they're Jewish, they won't be able to express their
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opinions. And if they do, they're going to be criticized. I mean, if they're sitting in a classroom
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and the professor says that Israel kills babies and Israel is a state of Nazis, you know, that student
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is not going to be able to express his pro-Israel views because the professor is grading him or her.
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So, you know, it's things like that. And it's also professors who are observant or have conservative
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viewpoints who are discriminated against. There have been multiple complaints and incidents and
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actually lawsuits by professors who are discriminated against. They are ousted from clubs.
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They do meetings on Friday night when they know they can attend. I mean, there's just a lot,
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Well, it's very interesting. And I think what happened, if it can happen in New York, it can happen anywhere.
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You talked about assault and threats. What about actual crime in the city? I mean,
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I think the mayor, I think being a cop helped him get elected. I think people were frustrated
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by years of lawlessness and violence, including from Antifa and Black Lives Matter. I mean,
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New York was boarded up, not just because of the lockdowns, but because of the riots.
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What's the state of crime? I mean, for decades, New York had this renaissance. Rudy Giuliani and even
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his successor, they had the low crime policy. Police were treated with respect. They were supported.
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They were respected. What's it like now? I mean, there was there was threats of defunding and
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and the demonization of police. What is it like to be an NYPD cop today? And what's the crime rate like
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in New York? It's bad. It's really, really bad. It's bad on the trains. It's bad on the streets.
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I mean, it depends exactly where you live. I think it's really, really bad in the neighborhoods
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with a lot of minority communities. And, you know, the whole notion of defunding the police,
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it's kind of old. I think that it was the white liberals who were, you know, protesting it. And the
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city council a couple of years ago voted to defund the police. I think based on just a couple of
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protest signs, I don't think they really, really, you know, found out what the people actually wanted
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because, you know, the crime is worse in in those neighborhoods where they really need the police.
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And if you talk to, let's say, the black community, they'll tell you that they want more police presence
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because the crime is happening a lot in their neighborhoods. It's not so much happening
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in this neighborhood, for example. It is absolutely awful to be a police officer today,
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even with our mayor who does really support the police. I think it's still, you know,
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they have the city council who is overwhelmingly progressive, who is still not pro-police,
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who's still speaking out against the police. I mean, I'll give you an example. A couple months
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ago in Sunset Park, we had a situation where a guy was shooting on the train and the council member
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of the district on the next day at the stated meeting basically got up and said that we need
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more social workers. We don't need police. Meanwhile, the police officers are the ones who arrested
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the criminal and they're the ones who prevent the crime from happening. So, I mean, it's notions like
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that that are absolutely insane, that are discouraging police officers from being able to do their job
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properly. And quite frankly, they don't want to be police officers. They're prevented from doing
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their job. Their hands are tied. They're under intense scrutiny. Anything they do is really looked at
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under a magnifying glass. They don't get paid a lot. In some places, their cars are attacked.
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They're attacked. We had two police officers that unfortunately were killed a couple of months
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ago here in New York. Why would anybody want to be a police officer? And by the way, with the mandates,
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there are a lot of police officers who don't want to take the vaccine. And now with the mandate,
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they, instead of trying to increase our police force, they're really discouraging cops to continue
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I showed the clip of the governor telling people who didn't like her to get out. I think some people
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actually weren't waiting for her advice and they have. I mean, New York has had net out migration,
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if I'm not mistaken, and Florida, which has opposite policies. They didn't have lockdowns. They didn't have
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mandates. And their governor, Ron DeSantis, makes a point of very being being very pro police. In fact,
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he's offered to hire police from other states. Are you aware of NYPD officers saying enough of this?
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I'm going to Florida. It's nicer weather, lower taxes, and I'll be treated with respect. Has there
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been a Florida impact on New York involving cops and involving other things? Are businesses
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leaving New York for Florida? What's been the comparison between the heavy lockdown state and the
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free state? I mean, I don't think it's just police officers and I don't have numbers, but I know
00:26:10.820
that there are a ton of people. I mean, I have friends who already left for Florida, a ton of
00:26:16.020
friends. Florida, Texas, mainly Florida. And yeah, it's not just police officers, it's everyone. Why
00:26:23.060
would they want to stay in a city where the taxes are extremely high and what are they paying for?
00:26:28.340
Right before, it used to be that they pay high taxes, but that was to stay in a clean,
00:26:34.100
safe city. Why would they continue paying those
00:26:38.100
extremely high taxes when they're not getting what they're paying for? So of course, they're out.
00:26:43.940
They're on their way to the Sunshine State. And yeah, they didn't need Governor Hochul to tell them
00:26:48.100
that. You know, I mean, it can happen to these wonderful cities. I mean, San Francisco,
00:26:53.620
what a gem, but it's atrocious, just the crime and the homelessness and the drug use and the violence.
00:27:00.660
It really used to be the city with one of the highest standards of living and quality of life,
00:27:05.220
and that's gone. It takes a long time to fix up a city, but I guess they can deteriorate quickly.
00:27:12.660
I saw on your Twitter feed an interesting video about a proposal to tax people, congestion pricing,
00:27:18.500
they call it, anytime they go into the city. Here, let me play a little clip of that,
00:27:22.740
and then I'd like you to explain your thinking on this as a tax grab, which I thought was a great
00:27:27.620
point here. Here's a clip of the video from your Twitter feed. Did you know that next year it could
00:27:32.740
cost you up to $23 to drive into Manhattan? It's called congestion pricing. The MTA and Governor
00:27:40.260
Kathy Hochul will tell you that it's because of the congestion and the very busy business district
00:27:45.620
and because of pollution. Well, Governor Hochul is lying to you as she supports this plan.
00:27:52.500
So what is this really about? Revenue. Officials anticipate this congestion pricing plan will bring
00:27:58.740
in about $1 billion for the MTA. Just like the speed cameras, this is yet another money grab by our
00:28:06.180
state. So Governor Hochul, stop lying to people and robbing the middle class. You want people to take the
00:28:11.620
train again? Congestion pricing is not the way to do it. Fix the crime problem. Fire the woke DAs that
00:28:18.500
are allowing criminals to run rampant all over our trains and oppose the bail reform. But Governor Hochul
00:28:24.260
refuses to end this attack on your wallets. If you don't like crime, if you don't like bail reform,
00:28:30.740
if you don't like her congestion pricing plan on November 8th, you have a chance to save our state
00:28:36.500
and vote her out. On November 8th, vote. So tell me what you think is behind that. I mean,
00:28:42.260
I know the idea of congestion pricing. It's sort of, you know, like on Uber, you pay a little bit more
00:28:47.860
when everyone wants to be on the road. And maybe the idea is to, you know, spread things out. But
00:28:52.660
really, when government's doing it, it's just a tax grab, isn't it? Yeah. And you know what? It's just
00:28:58.180
like the speed cameras. You know, recently the state passed a bill to, you know, keep the speed
00:29:05.780
cameras 24-7, to keep them on 24-7. And basically, if you're going over 35 miles an hour, it's really
00:29:13.620
25. But if you go over 35, so if you're at 36 miles an hour, you're getting ticketed, 50 bucks.
00:29:19.220
Um, that's, I mean, when you're going 36 miles an hour, I don't really think you're speeding when you're
00:29:24.260
on Ocean Parkway. And I know you might not be familiar with those streets, but they're very busy,
00:29:28.340
um, busy streets. Ocean Parkway, Ocean Avenue here. Um, when you're going 36, you're practically
00:29:34.740
swimming and, um, you're getting a ticket for 50 bucks. And if you are going, you know, 70 or 90
00:29:41.540
miles an hour, you're getting the same ticket, 50 bucks. Uh, so there's no difference. If you're
00:29:46.740
just driving a little faster or you're really actually speeding, you're, you're getting the same
00:29:51.620
ticket. Um, I think it's just a way for the city to, um, grab your money. It's a tax grab. Um,
00:29:59.220
just the government robbing you really the middle class who can't afford it, especially after a
00:30:05.700
pandemic, when so many people have lost their jobs and are struggling. Um, they don't really care.
00:30:11.140
And I think it's the same idea with the congestion pricing. I mean, if you really want people to take
00:30:15.700
the train and you, because it's such a congested, um, area, right. You do say it's because the
00:30:22.100
business district is such a congested area. They want people to take the train instead. Well, if you
00:30:26.980
want people to take the train, why don't you make the train safer? And then people will start taking
00:30:32.020
the train. I mean, people are petrified to literally take the train, even if it's like 10
00:30:36.180
o'clock in the morning, because the trains are so unsafe. If you watch any videos from New York City
00:30:41.540
train stations, you see there's something happening every time I've stopped taking the
00:30:46.260
train about a year and a half ago because it's just not safe. Huh? Well, listen, you'd be very
00:30:51.300
generous with your time, but I do have one last question. We've talked a little bit about Florida.
00:30:55.380
I saw that recently you were in Florida and you met with former president
00:30:59.140
Donald Trump. Tell me a little bit about that. Uh, what did he say? How did that meeting
00:31:03.940
come about? I know he's a fan of yours. He said you're the Republican AOC, but I,
00:31:09.780
I don't agree. I think the AOC is just, uh, uh, all sizzle and no substance. I mean,
00:31:15.860
she was a bartender, no knocking bartenders, but you know, by contrast, you're, you're a lawyer,
00:31:20.420
you're a hardworking council member. I think he was referring to how telegenic you are and how
00:31:24.740
you're fighting like heck. What did he have to say when, when you guys had your meeting? Are you at
00:31:29.540
liberty to discuss it? Uh, some things, yes, some things. Uh, it's a very nice meeting. It was,
00:31:35.780
it was actually months ago. Um, the president invited me to meet with me. I happened to have
00:31:41.300
been in Florida at the time. It was a coincidence. Um, we actually talked a lot about New York City
00:31:46.740
and we talked about Ukraine. Um, at the time it was a little bit after Russia invaded Ukraine.
00:31:53.140
Um, and I think that the media, you know, picked, picked it up because it was very interesting because
00:31:58.020
of, you know, the idea that Trump was friends with Putin and he cuddled him and, and whatnot. And,
00:32:03.940
uh, you know, uh, president Trump expressed his support for Ukraine and thought it was,
00:32:09.620
uh, you know, horrific what was going on there. And I think that, and I told him this,
00:32:13.940
I think that if he was president, um, that this war would not take place. I think that Putin was,
00:32:19.940
uh, scared of president Trump. I don't think he'd ever launch this attack on Ukraine. Um,
00:32:26.100
so we talked about that. We talked about New York City and he was, you know,
00:32:29.620
he's really upset about what's happening in New York City. It's his hometown. Um,
00:32:34.340
you know, and then we had some other personal conversations, but it was a very nice meeting.
00:32:39.860
Well, let's end on that note, federal politics. I mean, Trump is still active. Whether or not he
00:32:44.980
runs again is not yet known. It looks like he might. Um, you have a lot to say about Joe Biden.
00:32:50.340
I see you constantly tweeting about him. Uh, you're, you're very busy on neighborhood matters as any
00:32:55.940
council member should be, but you know, you, you talk about things of national interest and
00:33:02.340
international interest. Do you think you yourself might one day throw your hat into the ring for
00:33:10.500
I think right now I'm really focusing on New York City. We have a lot of problems here,
00:33:14.740
as you know. Um, and then we'll see what, what comes out. Well, there's a lot of time ahead for
00:33:21.220
you. I, I look forward to following it and I, I get a kick out of seeing you fight in one of the
00:33:26.660
toughest political battlegrounds for a Republican. Keep it up. Thanks so much for taking the time to
00:33:32.020
say hello to our viewers. And I'm sure a lot of them will be following you going forward too.
00:33:37.540
Great to meet you. There you have it. Council member Ina Vernikov,
00:33:41.700
the New York City minority whip on council. Stay with us. My final thoughts are next.
00:33:59.220
Well, what do you think? Councilwoman Ina Vernikov, um, she is focused on those local bread and butter
00:34:05.460
issues. She's always going out in their community, every meeting, every town hall, every group. Uh,
00:34:11.300
it's a fascinating city, but I think that Donald Trump is right to call her the Republican Party's
00:34:16.500
AOC. And I asked her what they talked about. She said some of it was private. I don't doubt it. I bet
00:34:22.180
she will run for higher office. How could she not? She's not just focused on potholes and garbage
00:34:29.620
collection. I think she has a bigger vision and she's just as telegenic as AOC, but a lot smarter.
00:34:37.060
I mean, you saw on the wall behind her, a law degree, as opposed to what AOC is famous for.
00:34:41.940
I think that she can go far. And if Donald Trump likes her, well, that's going to clear a lot of
00:34:47.140
the path for her, don't you think? And yeah, I hope you don't mind me doing a feature interview with
00:34:51.300
her. We'll be back on our regular style of shows tomorrow. Until then, on behalf of all of us here
00:34:57.060
at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.
00:35:01.620
The president of Western University's Students Council is getting a lot of calls these days
00:35:06.500
about new COVID rules, which include mandated booster shots for all students on campus.
00:35:12.580
Students are finding it difficult to understand why Western would have these policies in place,
00:35:17.140
but not the province or even the country. Oh, I'm double bats. So if I don't get it by October,
00:35:23.300
then they'll kick me up. If I get kicked out of the university, then so be it. But I'm standing up for
00:35:27.300
my beliefs and I will not be taking the booster. I'm double vaccinated, like fully vaccinated,
00:35:30.900
I guess, for, you know, everyone else's standards. But for Western, they don't accept that.
00:35:36.660
We just want our girls to go to school without... And not get a third dose.
00:35:40.020
Not get a third dose. They're both, they're both double dosed.
00:35:43.380
It's too late. It's too late. Where are we going to go now? I'd love to go to Guelph.
00:35:49.540
Western University better not try this again next year. And if they do,
00:35:52.820
they're going to be in a far worse position than they are now.
00:35:58.100
Lincoln Jay for Rebel News here at Western University in London, Ontario. Now we're about
00:36:03.460
to walk onto campus where there's a protest taking place against the school's decision to mandate
00:36:10.900
COVID-19 booster doses. There's going to be students, alumni, their supporters here to simply
00:36:18.820
speak out against this decision. Does this make any sense? Why would they do this to students just
00:36:25.380
weeks before classes begin? They're essentially ambushing the students by telling them that they
00:36:31.940
require a booster dose just weeks before classes begin. We're going to speak with some of the people
00:36:36.660
in attendance here. There's going to be some other people giving some speeches. But before we get into
00:36:41.300
all that, I want you guys to check out our website at noforcedboosters.com. You can go on that
00:36:47.380
website. You can sign the petition to call for Western University to end their unscientific mandate.
00:36:53.700
And at that same website, you can also make a tax deductible donation to the registered charity,
00:36:59.540
the Democracy Fund. Students can also sign up through that same website and the Democracy Fund
00:37:04.660
will select the strongest cases to set legal precedent. All right, guys, let's go check out the protests.
00:37:09.860
I do not care if you have three shots, no shots, or a hundred shots.
00:37:14.340
I do not believe that your personal medical decision tells me anything about who you are,
00:37:20.900
what you believe, or what you have to offer to the Western community.
00:37:24.580
Last year, I was kicked out of Huron at Western.
00:37:37.860
And it was a long process and it was isolating. And the one thing that has inspired, I think,
00:37:46.580
all of us to come together here today is knowing that we're not the only ones. And now Western wants to
00:37:52.740
put more people in that position and they haven't given us the reasoning. So today we stand for choice.
00:38:02.580
I'd love to be able to attend Western, but unfortunately, because of my vaccine status,
00:38:08.420
for something that's no longer even effective back when people were taking it,
00:38:14.740
I can't attend the university, which is really unfortunate.
00:38:17.380
I just don't agree with the whole mandate of the booster shot. Because like, I feel like we should
00:38:22.340
have our own choice, you know, because the science doesn't really back it. It's like it's,
00:38:26.660
I feel like it's like more dangerous to get the shot for some people.
00:38:29.540
I don't think it's a fair thing for some administrators to decide on behalf of everybody
00:38:34.340
in the community what they can access as things as education or even employment. Because I work at a
00:38:39.540
college where they had these mandates. And that's why I'm here today coming from Toronto,
00:38:43.780
because anywhere that is happening, even if it's my college or another university,
00:38:47.860
everyone who's against it has to show their support and show that there's a lot of people
00:38:51.300
against this, right? I'm here to support the students that want choice. None of this should
00:38:57.220
be coerced or forced or bribed or any, any negative impact on these kids whatsoever. If they want it,
00:39:04.420
if you want a shot, if you want a mask, go for it. Nobody's standing in your way.
00:39:08.820
I just don't believe that anyone should be forced to take something that's experimental, number one.
00:39:15.860
Number two, it's my body, my choice. And we now know, based on actual science,
00:39:23.620
there's no benefit to taking it for healthy individuals.
00:39:27.220
I believe in freedom of choice. And I believe that we're the youngest, you know, healthiest,
00:39:32.020
most intelligent people in the province. And I believe that
00:39:34.660
us intelligent, healthy people should be prevented with a choice. And I believe we should be trusted
00:39:38.980
to make an educated choice. And I think that goes for everybody regarding any sort of topic.
00:39:42.580
What does a pastor and a trucker that was in Ottawa and a student that is at Western,
00:39:47.460
what do we have in common? A very, very important thing. And that is our choice. That is our God-given
00:39:54.740
freedom. And I couldn't stay home thinking that these students are going through exactly what we as a
00:40:00.260
church went through, what the truckers went through in Ottawa, is that little by little,
00:40:04.580
and sometimes not so little, our freedoms are taken away from us.
00:40:07.620
I'm second year here at King's. And, you know, we saw how Brescia, they actually took back their
00:40:12.260
mandate, you know, because some people are actually starting to question. Because last year,
00:40:15.700
we didn't have that much support. There was like 90% of us were vaccinated. But now, you know,
00:40:19.940
they keep changing the requirements. At this point, I think only a third of us have the booster.
00:40:24.340
So, you know, people are finally starting to question it. And that's good. And we just want to spread that
00:40:28.260
message. You know, even if you weren't here last year, we need to, you know, draw our line eventually.
00:40:33.060
Right? That's the whole point. My daughter goes to King's. And I'm here to support her position.
00:40:39.220
And she's not able to be here today. But I'm here to be here for her. So we're deadly opposed to all
00:40:47.060
these mandates. As it goes on and on and on, and people take more and more shots and continue to get
00:40:52.500
COVID. Where is the logic? Right? There is zero logic coming from any of these people. You've
00:40:59.700
got Fanshawe's dropped all their mandates. So was the science different in Fanshawe than it is Western?
00:41:05.300
So our girls are starting first year university. And we're at a crossroads. We don't know what to do
00:41:10.260
because we're a hard no for getting a booster. It's not fair. We've been asked enough of us. They've
00:41:15.540
all been vaccinated against our will. We did it for the better of mankind. And now they want us to do more.
00:41:20.500
And it's never going to be enough. So we're taking a stand, trying to teach our girls to
00:41:24.900
come and, you know, take a stance for what's right. This is bullshit. They, they pretend that they're
00:41:31.060
concerned about the safety of the kids. But in reality, it's all greed and selfishness. It's all about
00:41:36.660
Pfizer and pharmacy and their grants. And they made a deal. They basically sold their soul to the devil.
00:41:42.500
And now we have to go down, down with them. So now we don't even want to, this place is tainted for me.
00:41:47.140
They have no integrity here. Western is enforcing mandates that nowhere else is enforcing.
00:41:53.700
And I don't, I don't agree with that. I think everyone should have a choice of what they put
00:41:56.740
in their body and if they want to wear a mask. And I respect anyone's choice, no matter what they choose.
00:42:00.820
But yeah, ultimately just choice. That's why. 25 years ago, when I was a student excited to come to
00:42:06.900
Western, I was so excited to learn from the best. And I had the best. I had teachers who,
00:42:14.580
professors who didn't dare teach me what to think. They taught me how to think. They taught me how to be
00:42:20.580
curious, how to question authority, how to demand evidence, how to trust myself, think for myself,
00:42:29.460
and never be coerced. We keep hearing over and over again that this is about the science. Follow the
00:42:41.140
science. Well, the science isn't on their side anymore. I'm just here to support the students.
00:42:46.420
They're finally standing up for themselves and realizing that they should not be ambushed and
00:42:51.780
coerced and bullied by the institution that's supposed to teach them to do exactly the opposite from that.
00:42:56.660
Why are they doing this to students just weeks before classes start?
00:43:01.620
If I had the answer to that, I don't know why. I really wish I knew why. But it's overhanded and
00:43:10.100
just not called for. I think that's a really scumbag thing to do. Especially, I think they did it
00:43:17.540
right after tuition was due and a down payment for residents too. So they obviously did this as a
00:43:24.820
money grab so people don't protest against this because they can't really do anything because
00:43:29.940
they paid for it already. I heard that they they took the first payment in tuition and then afterwards
00:43:36.420
released this information, which is quite ridiculous. If they were following the direction that they said
00:43:42.260
they were following originally, you know, that would be looking at what the government is telling them
00:43:46.020
to do. But clearly they've diverged from that because the government doesn't have any mandates no more.
00:43:50.820
So it seems to be in this case, it's a faculty decision, right, on behalf of the union. Those
00:43:56.420
people, they have a certain ideology and that's what they're trying to impose on the entire community.
00:44:02.420
right. So it's a certain few people that are imposing their will on everyone else.
00:44:23.620
I mean, I think it's just to force people into getting the shot or like early.
00:44:26.900
I like if they did it earlier, I feel like more people would like pull out, like not that many,
00:44:34.020
like because they're doing it two weeks before, like more people are like more forced, like they
00:44:38.020
have to get the shot to see. I don't understand. Whenever you look at something where there doesn't
00:44:44.420
make sense, it's not science based. It's usually something evil and money talks. The only thing I can
00:44:52.100
think of is, I guess, Big Pharma is their boss and they must be telling them what to do. And I read
00:44:58.820
that the government has given them over a million dollars here. So I guess they're listening to their
00:45:03.460
superiors. I think, you know, it's the same tactic as last year. They had all summer to make their
00:45:07.940
decision. They said they were reviewing their policy and they released the decision right after
00:45:13.300
tuition is due, even though they said it would be August 8th, week of August 8th. So same tactic as last
00:45:18.420
year, you know, right after tuition is due, sort of not really giving a choice to the students. And
00:45:22.820
I think that's the end goal. I think it's just cruel. I think it's, uh, it put them into a hard spot,
00:45:28.580
you know? Very, very good timing. Yeah, the timing is horrible. Between a rock and a hard place.
00:45:32.900
Yeah. I mean, really, I think it's money. I mean, it's the only thing that really ties all of this
00:45:39.140
together at every level. There's funds, there's grants. They knew exactly what they were doing. They got,
00:45:44.740
but what they don't, what we don't realize is we have power because we're the ones that are paying
00:45:49.300
and we can easily leave. But, you know, we're kind of, it's going to be not, not easy to leave
00:45:54.980
because there's not really a lot of options right now, but I, I don't know. I don't have the answer
00:45:59.780
to that. And I think a lot of people are asking the same question. It definitely seems a little fishy
00:46:03.220
considering they already got all their money and collected it. And now they're basically forcing
00:46:07.780
you to get another shot or something. I think a lot of people who complied with the mandates up to this
00:46:12.260
point are saying, you know, I did it because I trusted my institution. I trusted my professors.
00:46:16.660
I trusted the people who said they were keeping me safe. And this doesn't make sense anymore. They
00:46:21.300
never provided evidence to show that, um, that the masking, that the shots were necessary, effective,
00:46:26.980
or safe, and they're not doing it now. And enough is enough. The reason why we're here today,
00:46:32.660
why we've arranged this rally, why we arranged this protest, is to get Western to respect us as
00:46:38.820
students for a change. We want them to listen to us. We pay their salaries. They work for us.
00:46:46.900
We're not children. They have treated us like children for the last two years.
00:46:51.300
The student union has not asked students what they wanted. Western has not asked us what we wanted.
00:46:55.700
They keep telling us, this is what we're doing. Deal with it. Okay?
00:46:59.860
What do you think the chances are they're going to reverse this decision?
00:47:02.420
Um, I mean, I'm not too sure, but like with the backlash you're getting like this, like I feel
00:47:08.980
like they have to at least consider it. Honestly, I think that if people come out and make their
00:47:13.860
presence, it's the best we can do right now. But does it make a difference? That's a good question.
00:47:19.140
Well, the university will have to address the pressure. So as far as people here today,
00:47:23.460
as far as people withdrawing their commitment and their tuition, that's pressure. That's financial
00:47:28.020
pressure. That's public relations pressure. So anything that we can do to put pressure on these
00:47:32.420
people, that's, that's our responsibility to do so. I mean, listen, we can only be hopeful. If we sat,
00:47:37.780
if we sit here and do nothing, nothing is going to change, right? So if we keep pushing, maybe they
00:47:42.900
will change it. But I think either way, I mean, I do believe that there should be some sort of
00:47:47.460
intervention from our government regarding these unjust discriminatory mandates. I think they will
00:47:52.100
reverse it. And I think they'll claim, well, we're going to do it anyway. But I think they have no
00:47:56.180
choice because other universities are not doing what they're doing. And I think that they will,
00:48:01.060
they will have no choice but to back down being that they're the only one left standing.
00:48:04.900
None. No, I think, well, I think maybe people should pull their money out and go to another college,
00:48:13.460
university. Yeah, I'd say heck with them. I think that is really going to depend on how many people
00:48:18.740
want to refund and how many people are going to just not come, right? I mean, because money's the bottom
00:48:22.980
line. As long as they're still getting their money, I don't think they're going to change it.
00:48:26.500
I don't think that they care about the truth. They don't care about the science. They just care
00:48:29.860
about their dollars. Like science is now spelled with a dollar sign.
00:48:33.940
No chance in hell. I don't think so. I wish they would, but I'm not very optimistic. So I don't,
00:48:40.420
we don't know what to do. Time will tell. It depends how many people are here today. But you know what?
00:48:44.980
Even if students lose this battle, they will win the war. I have no doubt about it. Western University better
00:48:50.420
not try this again next year. And if they do, they're going to be in a far worse position than they are now.
00:48:54.820
They are being coerced. So I think there's definitely going to be a lot of people just
00:48:57.860
like last year that got it just to get their education, especially if they've already been
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three years here in university and they want to finish their degree, right? But I think more
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than so than last year, there's also going to be a lot of people that withdraw.
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Oh, I'm double bats. So if I don't get it by October, then they'll kick me out.
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Uh, I don't know. We'll see. Like, I'll try to fight it, but I don't know. I'm not sure yet.
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I'm just not going to get the booster. If this protest doesn't work, I'm just not going to get it.
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And I'm going to try and face repercussions. I'm going to be faced with repercussions about it,
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but I'll just live through it and see what I can do. If I get kicked out of the university,
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then so be it. But I'm standing up for my beliefs and I will not be taking the booster.
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Um, I'm in third year uni, haven't been in a lecture hall yet. Um, I've taken no shots, but I mean,
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listen, at the end of the day, whether you've taken zero, one, two or three, I feel that this affects you and
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it affects you as well because this is your school. Your school is telling people what to
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do and what to believe. And I think that's problematic for people across the board.
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I mean, I'm a fourth year at Kings. Um, so yeah, I'm double vaccinated, like fully vaccinated,
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I guess for, you know, everyone else's standards, but for Western, they, uh, don't, um, accept that.
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Um, and personally, like for a medical decision, like health decision, I, I don't agree with getting
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the third one. I don't think it's worth, uh, worth the risk when looking at the science. I'm
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a pretty scientific guy and that's what I look at. So I got a decision to make and unfortunately,
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it, if they don't change it, it looks like I might be taking a year off or something.
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So people have agreements with their landlords, as you said, and you know, they're also paying
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for tuition. They've paid their tuition at this point and they've been waiting until now to make
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a decision about whether they want to leave or stay in their, uh, in their apartments.
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Right. We just want our girls to go to school without, not get a third dose, not get a third dose.
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They're both, they're both double dosed. It's too late. It's too late. Where are we going to go now?
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I'd love to go to Guelph. These past two weeks are supposed to be like the most,
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you know, exciting, fun time. We're going to university. We should be looking forward to it.
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And it's like, I've had almost like a pit in my stomach every day because all I'm thinking about
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is this third dose, right? Yeah, we've had, we've had all our stuff packed and we're so excited that
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we're actually coming together with all our friends and stuff. And now like, I wasn't even going to come
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to the school. I was so excited that I actually chose the school with my friends coming and stuff.
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And now we don't even know what to do. We don't even know if we're going to have to get to come here.
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I think there's a lot of people that are, that are on our side, but they're a little bit scared to, uh,
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speak up because of their, they're worried of the consequences of what people will think.
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But to anyone watching, there's a lot of people that are like us, like there's a lot of students.
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Um, so stand up and, and if enough people stand up, they, they will take it down.
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Faculty members have been pretty silent so far, but actually I've been here for about half an hour and a number
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have come up to me and said, you know, I'm a professor here. I still work here, but I, I oppose this.
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I defend the student's right to choose. I was lucky. I was one of the lucky ones who got an exemption.
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So I was able to keep my job. It's a mixed bag. And, and I'm also hearing that professors have said
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horrible things to students in class. Like I know that there, someone just told me, they said to her
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daughter, I know that there are some dirty, unvaxxed people in here. Even if your belief is that
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vaccination is the right course of action, you should never be saying that to students who trust you
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with their education. Thanks so much for watching guys. If you're like the people here and you feel
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like these mandates are just unjust and there's no reason for them, you can go to our website at
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noforcedboosters.com, sign the petition and consider making a donation to the democracy fund to help