Has the golden age for Jews in Canada come to an end? I ll talk with my friend Barbara Kay, a columnist for the National Post. She s shocked at what has happened overseas, but more shocked by the response around the world. We ll talk about this.
00:09:15.920It was a snuff film and I, part of me wishes I never looked at it.
00:09:19.700So, I remember ISIS lining up Coptic Christians in a row and slitting their throats.
00:09:28.280Slitting their throats was their preferred method of death.
00:09:31.440They actually didn't torture and abuse the bodies as much as Hamas did in southern Israel.
00:09:39.280Although, I understand the ISIS terrorists in the Bataclan nightclub in Paris did atrocious torture and dismemberment and disfigurement to their victims.
00:09:50.200But here's the thing about the Bataclan club in Paris where 130 people were murdered by ISIS and about the Coptic Christians and about the more moderate, sorry, not moderate, the less extremist or fundamentalist Muslims that ISIS killed in Syria and Iraq.
00:11:44.680And these people that support Hamas, people that are not even Muslim, but that have been indoctrinated into the cult of Jew hatred through,
00:11:58.440through, you know, the university's ideology of intersectionality and all that other crap.
00:12:06.300They've been groomed to Jew hatred and that it's okay, that it's okay to hate you because Jews represent an evil.
00:12:17.080I mean, they call it Zionism, but it's not.
00:12:36.860And, and yet their narrative is the one that the media, much of the media, not all, thank God, are glomming onto as, well, it's understandable because of 75 years of oppression.
00:12:53.940I don't care even if it was 75 years of oppression, which it has not been.
00:12:58.080To, to, to be able to have that come out of your mouth, beheading babies, raping children, killing their parents in front of their eyes, roping parents together with their children, and then setting them on fire, burning them to death.
00:13:15.760How, how, in the name of God, can this, this be something that you're allowed to do if you feel you've been oppressed?
00:13:30.100And, and that's the astonishing thing, is that all the caring people, the anti-hate people, the Canadian Anti-Hate Network, the Canadian Race Relations Foundation, every single province and territory has something called a Human Rights Commission.
00:13:44.140I have not heard from any, any of these people who care about a micro-aggression.
00:15:53.520Jews have not felt safe in universities where there's a significant Jewish population for decades.
00:16:01.360And they have been begging the universities to help them to create an environment in which they do.
00:16:09.260And, and it's very clear that the environment that is making them feel unsafe is this relentless pro-Palestinian, these groups, you know, solidarity for Palestine and all these groups that support them.
00:16:24.860And their, they're, they're, they're apartheid weeks and the relentless campaign to demonize Israel.
00:16:34.920Um, it's, it's, it is now spilled over and it has created in the students that they have, uh, brought a, seduced into their narrative of how they're the most oppressed people in the world.
00:16:46.320Uh, it, they, they have been indoctrinated to believe maybe they don't even know it themselves until they see themselves jubilant about this situation.
00:16:56.840You know, that, that hating Jews is okay because Jews are hyper-privileged white people.
00:17:04.820White people, of course, are, are, you know, you don't worry about them, anything that bad that happens to them.
00:17:12.000But Jews are the worst of the white people.
00:17:15.280This is the message that Jewish students are getting.
00:17:17.680Um, you know, anyone who would, like, they, they kidnap babies, they kidnap two-year-olds, they kidnap three-year-olds, but actual babies.
00:17:27.500And, and they took them back into Gaza.
00:17:31.560And the thing about kidnapping a baby is you've got a prisoner who you can hold on to for 50 years.
00:17:36.600You know, they kidnapped some, some people in their 80s and 90s, but they took babies, obviously for human shields.
00:17:43.260If you're willing to take your own Palestinian children as human shields and put your rocket launchers in schools to, uh, either deter an Israeli airstrike or to welcome ones so you have a PR incident.
00:17:56.180Imagine the cruelty they're going to do to these children.
00:17:59.240And they killed the children on purpose, obviously.
00:18:02.640To kill a child, especially practically a newborn, shows that there's no politics involved.
00:18:12.520There's no, well, you did that, or you committed this moral sin.
00:18:16.420It is literally, if you look at the root of the word genocide, you're trying to eradicate the entire genetics.
00:18:22.300You're trying to destroy every single human being.
00:18:27.980Well, it is, because they say, their, their line is, well, every civilian has to go into the army in Israel, and therefore, even a two-year-old child is going to grow up to one day be a soldier who's going to oppress us.
00:18:40.780I mean, this is, but it makes me think about our own tradition, uh, how the Pharaoh, you know, who said, these Hebrews, uh, they're, they're, they're, they're becoming too numerous.
00:18:53.680And so they said, kill the firstborn boy, uh, from every family.
00:18:59.280That was, that was going to be, uh, the Pharaoh's solution to the problem of this tribe that was, he was nervous about getting too numerous amongst us.
00:19:10.380Um, and it does feel like we're back to 3,000, at least 3,000 years ago, uh, or more.
00:19:18.340This is the kind of thinking, this is the kind of tribal, um, you know, we cannot have these people amongst us.
00:19:25.980They're too numerous, they're too strong, they're too this, they're too that.
00:19:29.920And, uh, that's, that, that is something that Jews have served as this kind of a scapegoat, not just for the Pharaohs and then for the Romans and then for, I mean, it's been, it's been our history.
00:19:40.300We're still trying to figure out why, what, what did we do that was so terrible?
00:19:44.960I don't know, but, um, here we are, scapegoats again, and in a very brutal, sadistic, horrible way.
00:19:51.760And the people that support these animals, these Nazis, I call it a form of pathological altruism.
00:19:59.260They think that they are supporting, uh, resistance fighters, freedom fighters, uh, people that are oppressed.
00:20:07.300They have just simply, they're ignorant, uh, but they want to be in on something revolutionary.
00:20:14.480This is what young people thirst to be part of a revolution.
00:20:18.240They want to see blood run in the streets.
00:20:19.980They don't want it to be their blood, but they, they, they get, uh, to me, I don't know, Ezra, I maybe call me a little crazy, but there is something in human nature that gets an erotic thrill.
00:20:33.520This is like, this is like, uh, uh, uh, this, this willingness to see this kind of depraved, uh, bloodlust manifest itself.
00:20:46.620I think there's a kind of erotic component to it for a lot of young people who say, this is, this is my revolution.
00:20:55.060And one Cornell professor, I don't know if you've read about him, told a Palestinian, a pro-Palestine rally that he found the pogrom exhilarating and energizing.
00:21:09.800I saw that and that was a black professor.
00:21:12.440Imagine, imagine if he had seen the beating of a black slave or a lynching.
00:21:17.660Imagine, imagine someone whose historic lineage in America during slavery may have seen a lynching.
00:21:27.720Imagine coming full circle to be erotically aroused by death pornography, by a snuff film.
00:21:41.140Um, you know, it's funny, I'm thinking again about how the Nazis who were atrocious, obviously, I mean, that is the, that is the defining yardstick for how atrocious you are.
00:21:51.760But what do you do if that yardstick's not big enough?
00:21:53.660Think of the, the neo-Nazis or the white supremacists who marched in Charlottesville, Virginia, six years ago with their tiki torches and their khaki pants.
00:22:02.360And they were chanting, um, uh, we will not be erased or we will not be replaced or something that Jews do not control us or something like that.
00:22:12.260Like it was, it was, uh, racism about, you know, they said something.
00:22:16.700I can't remember what it was exactly, but it was just, they said all those things.
00:22:28.900But other than expressing their racism, they didn't say, so violent revolution and kill all the Jews.
00:22:38.840So from the river to the sea, kill all the Jews.
00:22:41.600So, um, let's have a violent Intifada, violent revolution.
00:22:46.060Like in, in the streets of Toronto, in front of the Israeli consulate last week, there was, one of their chants was, um, Intifada revolution.
00:22:52.700I forget the, but they were talking about revolution.
00:23:26.380They didn't say, so now we're going to go kill them compared to a hundred thousand in London, England last Saturday, thousands in Toronto and Montreal who went the next step.
00:23:37.800And the New York Times is running defense for Hamas, um, blood libeling the Israeli defense forces.
00:23:45.820They just rehired their key Gaza reporter who's publicly praised Hitler, but they said he's being very objective in his reporting this time.
00:23:53.860So where are all the people who condemned Charlottesville?
00:23:58.060And by the way, I condemned Charlottesville too.
00:24:56.320I mean, uh, didn't they, uh, you know, uh, honking trucks got us an emergency act.
00:25:01.380And, uh, this is, uh, people that are screaming a slogan, you know, free Palestine means kill all the Jews.
00:25:11.200It's really, uh, we know that everybody knows that, but they pretend that it's just, uh, and then, you know, oh, they, that means they want to negotiate for a two-state solution.
00:25:21.880Not that that's at least, at least we can, uh, dispense with the depraved hypocrisy that really, uh, if only they had their own state or if only they had the right, uh, you know, they'd gotten the right offer of, of a decent state of their own, that this wouldn't have arisen.
00:25:48.380It's been laid bare, but nobody's reacting as if the truth has been laid bare.
00:25:53.640They're, they're, they're reacting as though, well, we need to, we need to have a ceasefire.
00:25:58.560We need to, both sides, both sides, you know, we don't want to have more violence.
00:26:03.260We don't want to have disproportionate response, which they, by the way, started saying two minutes after it was, the pogrom was revealed, uh, they started saying there's, we're, we're feeling grief over the disproportionate response that we know is coming.
00:26:19.860Like they died, nothing had even started yet.
00:26:22.060There had been no response and already they were changing the narrative to poor us.
00:26:55.520I mean, I, sometimes you have to laugh.
00:26:57.680Uh, the Babylon Bee had a, had a meme, you know, Admiral Hiro, Emperor Hirohito calls for a ceasefire right after hitting Pearl Harbor.
00:27:08.440Like no one said to America in the, after the ashes of 9-11, hey, ceasefire guys, don't respond disproportionately.
00:27:17.120No one said that to Russia after the Beslan slaughter.
00:27:22.580No, I mean, I don't know any other country in the world that is told, hey, have a ceasefire, don't be disproportionate now.
00:27:29.680I mean, I am not opposed to the fact that the allies in the Second World War burnt Tokyo, nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, burnt Dresden, because those were strategic decisions at the time that were decided by the commanders of the responding, uh, militaries that this will bring war to a close more quickly.
00:27:51.660And, and, and I don't know if the sneaker, the sneak attackers of Japan are in a position to say, don't hit civilian centers.
00:28:00.600And I don't know if, if Nazi Germany was in a position to say, don't firebomb Dresden.
00:28:09.060I did mention it in a previous column.
00:28:11.340I said, I think the attitude has to be, look, we're dealing with, uh, it's a very different, obviously a different culture and a different war and a different time.
00:28:20.160But, but the Japanese had the same, um, fanaticism and fight to the death and beyond.
00:28:38.180So it was more honorable to die fighting for your country than to surrender to, because they were racist and they were, you know, uh, they hate for, I don't even know why they hated the Americans, but anyways, they did.
00:28:51.800Israel should be looking at Hamas through those eyes that they're dealing with people that you cannot reason with them.
00:29:00.220You cannot say, look, uh, we don't want to have to destroy, you know, uh, half your infrastructure and all of that.
00:29:09.020Uh, but we're going to, if you don't, you know, they'll never, they'll, they'll, they'll fight to the last fighter and they'll fight to the last civilian and the civilians will be part of their, so Israel doesn't need to have a nuclear weapon to, uh, to destroy Hamas.
00:29:27.560But they, they, they, a lot of blood will be spilled doing it.
00:29:34.260That, that is tragic that that's the only way to get rid of this, uh, toxic, horrible ISIS-like lookalike, uh, Hamas.
00:29:44.660And it's the only way to tell other players in the region, um, that Israel has, this, this is, this is a new era.
00:29:53.720Uh, there's no more, no more ceasefires, no more.
00:29:58.020Although I hear that, that, uh, they're thinking very carefully about delaying the invasion, uh, which, you know, they, they got to have all their ducks in a row.
00:30:06.220So, but I guess we're on the same page with this, um, this is an enemy that is, uh, there is no placating, there's no offer you could make, there's no reasonable offer you could make.
00:30:20.740So there has to be a response that allows Israel to say, we have to consider our own security, we have to consider our own survival.
00:30:29.920Uh, international law allows, or what, you know, what would be a proportionate response to, uh, we'll rape the same number of women, we'll kill the same number of, uh, Gaza babies.
00:30:41.440Like you can't, there's nothing is, nothing in international law says that the numbers or the type of response has to be the same.
00:30:49.900You, you know, proportionate means that you have to do only so much as you need to do to cover your objectives.
00:30:58.360And the objective in this case is to finish off Hamas.
00:31:02.480So there's nothing in, there's nothing in the laws of war that call for proportionality.
00:31:06.660Um, what started after Pearl Harbor, Pearl Harbor was several thousand dead and several ships sunk.
00:31:15.400What that unleashed was millions dead.
00:31:29.340That's, I don't even think that's part of the laws of war.
00:31:32.040You don't deliberately target civilians, but neither do you defend from civilian areas.
00:31:37.940Look, I'm not an expert in the laws of war, but we don't even have to be so grandiose.
00:31:41.400Let me, let me point out something that's been irritating me for a week.
00:31:43.720Justin Trudeau hastily, um, said that a, an explosion at a hospital that was originally reported to have 500 casualties and destroying that hospital.
00:32:21.620There was a fire in the parking lot that was likely caused by a Palestinian rocket.
00:32:25.580So Trudeau, his cabinet minister on a Saturday night says, oh yeah, it wasn't Israel, but Trudeau's original tweet called for accountability.
00:33:02.280And that's, that's what makes me so sad.
00:33:05.240I'm not, I mean, I'm sad for Israel because it's a democracy and I have an ethnic solidarity with them because I'm a Jew, but I'm a Canadian first.
00:33:15.220I have no intention of going anywhere else.
00:33:16.860But for the first time in my life, I wonder just how safe it is here for me or for the next generation, because there are thousands of people on the streets braying for the death of Jews, not of Israelis somewhere overseas, but of Jews and targeting Jews here and threatening Jews at Jewish schools here.
00:33:35.800And there was someone in Kingston who was charged with attempting to ram his car into a pro-Israel rally.
00:33:43.340And, and I, what strikes me is a stunning silence from authorities.
00:33:50.700Olivia Chow, to her credit, after some missteps, made a pretty good pro-Israel statement.
00:34:23.920And I don't know if there's any good answer.
00:34:26.000Uh, yeah, I, I try not to be paranoid, but I, I think, uh, we do, we should be concerned.
00:34:31.280You know, uh, the Jews in France and England and, uh, in Holland, uh, they, they have been scared for good reason.
00:34:41.740Uh, there have been attacks and there have been killings and there have been really some incidents.
00:34:46.260It's been going on for more than 25 years.
00:34:49.900And I don't know what's wrong with people here that they would sit and look at what's going on in Europe and, and say to themselves, oh, that's their problem.
00:35:07.020And I think it will be our problem, maybe not, God forbid, to the extent that it has been, um, in, in Europe and, and some of the tragedies, uh, in, in France that you alluded to.
00:35:19.980Um, so we, uh, I think we were only seeing the start of something very dark here in Canada and in the United States, but more in Canada, uh, because the United States is a very big country.
00:35:36.500And I think the, uh, the numbers of people that they have to worry about, yeah, there's students and there's, but the actual activists, uh, they're, they're confined, I think mostly to the universities.
00:35:49.520Um, they have, they, they can easily handle, I think any security problems, even though there could be incidents, but Canada, um, I think there's an awful lot of, uh, people on the left who are extremely gullible.
00:36:04.240And, and, and, and who have been happy to, and we have a government that is extremely reluctant to, uh, recognize that there is, uh, in this country, there are people in government, in institutions, in unions, uh, that are promoting, uh, a very pernicious, uh, line of patter.
00:36:28.200Uh, so I, I, I am certainly worried about what could be coming down the pike, um, and I don't like to be a false alarmist, but I don't like what I'm seeing in the government, the equivocation, um, amongst the cabinet.
00:36:43.140There should not be equivocation on this.
00:36:44.620This is a terrorist organization, uh, and I don't like the fact that other heads of state have been very reassuring to Israel.
00:36:53.860They've gone to visit Israel, um, they've, they've expressed solidarity, uh, our prime minister has said as little as he can.
00:37:01.680He did make one statement, you know, expressing sympathy with Israel, but apart from that, he's kept a very low profile.
00:37:09.420Well, I, uh, I mean, I love Canada, and I should have faith in my fellow Canadians, and I know that the majority of Canadians do not support this.
00:37:16.920I think that, um, most Canadians are not street activists.
00:37:20.220Most normal Canadians don't go out and protest.
00:37:22.780I find it astonishing, some of these protests, um, people have a Taliban flag just kicking around.
00:37:27.780People have a, it's like, I mean, they just have it ready for the great moment, and, um, I find that terrifying.
00:37:34.420Um, I've got to think that not only old stock Canadians are shocked by what they're seeing, but many other newcomers here, not just, um, you know, other races and religions.
00:37:45.660But I, I've got to imagine many Muslims don't like what they see, but maybe they're afraid to speak up.
00:37:51.660And if Justin Trudeau won't condemn it, well, why would they?
00:37:54.920If he, if, and I can imagine, I don't know, I think leadership from the top matters.
00:38:01.140And I've seen in the United Kingdom, they have a terrible problem on their streets.
00:38:05.280But every day I see another senior cabinet minister and the prime minister there himself, you know, the immigration ministers say they'll deport non-citizen racists.
00:38:15.120I, I see, um, their equalities minister denounce this, uh, there, like, so many different cabinet ministers, including these minorities, like Rishi Sunak, Suella Braverman, Kemi Badenoch.
00:38:27.600Like, those are all either new immigrants or from immigrant families.
00:38:31.720And they are hard line against the Islamic extremism in the streets.
00:38:37.180And we have not seen the same thing in our country.
00:38:40.360And I find it depressing, but I don't want to be too depressed.
00:38:44.060You know, the Jews have a saying, L'chaim, which means to life.
00:38:48.700And I know that the Catholics also say where there's life, there's hope.
00:38:53.920And so no matter how dark it is, and, and these really are forces of darkness on the other side that prefer martyrdom to life.
00:39:00.280I think we have to keep, keep our hope.
00:39:03.380And we have to remember that Canada is a great place and that most of our neighbors actually are appalled by this.
00:39:10.300And to that, to speak, sorry to interrupt you, but I just wanted to add, to speak to that very idea.
00:39:16.120I don't want to give a negative impression that nobody seemed, that I believe that nobody seems to care.
00:39:21.500I want to mention the fact that in the last couple of weeks, I have heard from so many of my Christian readers, and I mean Christians that are active Christians.
00:39:32.020And their messages have been so touching and so moving to me.
00:39:37.460And they have said, we share your pain.
00:39:41.120Please don't think that nobody's on your side, although it looks like that.
00:39:52.180I've had lovely, lovely, warm messages of support and fellowship and encouragement.
00:39:58.500And I, as I write back to them, I say, you, you probably don't even realize what this means to me.
00:40:05.000Because right now, it's, as a Jew, it's very easy to feel very lonely and very scared.
00:40:13.300And, and to say to ourselves, do we really only have each other?
00:40:16.240So, every message that comes from somebody who's not Jewish, but who recognizes that there's no one side and on the one hand, on the, there's no on the one hand, on the other hand here.
00:40:27.220This was, this was, this was, as you say, as bad as Hitler, as bad as anything, and anybody who thinks that there's some kind of a justification for what happened in Israel, for political reasons, has lost their moral compass, 100%, and has been sucked into a cult that is extremely dark.
00:40:50.880And, and it is very, it is very, it is very harmful to our civilization, what's left of it.
00:40:57.160And, you know, you see people talking about the suicide of the West.
00:41:01.360If you Google suicide of the West, you'll see, like, you get about 50, over 50 million hits, because this is the sub, this is the title of books, and of articles, and of talks, and podcasts.
00:41:13.260And this, what happened, the reaction to this tragedy, the attempt to equivocate on it, and say, on the one hand, but on the other, I think is if, is it is an indicator of just how far down the slope we are from where we were before, in terms of our moral compass, in terms of what we knew, that decent people do, and that decent people don't do.
00:41:38.320And, and, and, and the bright line between protest and atrocities.
00:42:44.900But my, my youth, uh, I believed that antisemitism was over, that, uh, it was really going to be never again.
00:42:54.240Um, and most of my life has been lived in, in, in terms of that issue, has been, uh, the world is, is, is a better place for Jews and all of that.
00:43:04.320Now, I see that I will not in my lifetime ever see Israel, uh, proud and strong, or morally strong, again, because the, the fallout from this psychologically for Israelis is going to pursue them for many, many years to come.
00:43:21.940Uh, so I, that, that bubble has burst.
00:43:25.360Uh, it's burst in terms of Israel, and it's burst in terms of how I feel about being a Westerner in general and a Canadian in particular.
00:43:34.320I, I, I am, I share your sense of pessimism, and it's, I know it's a sin to despair, and I, I try to find the bright side.
00:43:44.520Right now, it's very hard to find a bright side, a bright side to anything that's going on, and I can think of many potential dark sides.
00:43:52.920So that's not a very happy note to leave you on, is it?
00:44:15.840Well, we can have a reporter to show what's really going on rather than relying on Hamas, uh, spin that's being cycled through the Western media.
00:44:37.260Well, I, I have been miserable because, uh, I think my utopian, um, delusion, I mean, let me just throw one more thing at you, Barbara.
00:44:47.720I know we, we just said goodbye, but a month ago we led a mission to Israel and then to Dubai.
00:44:52.720We went for a week to Israel with 40 enthusiasts and we took six journalists and then we flew from Tel Aviv over Saudi Arabia, landed in Dubai and spent three days in the United Arab Emirates.
00:45:03.620We went to a Holocaust museum in Dubai.
00:45:14.060And I honestly, truly in my heart felt that we were in a post historic moment where peace was coming, almost the end times, the lion lying down with the lamb, beating swords into plowshares.
00:45:28.460Imagine that walking through a Muslim country and seeing a mosque.
00:45:32.720And instead of being afraid, being interested and curious and excited by it and feeling totally safe and feeling like we were in a new era and going home, feeling a sense of healing.
00:45:47.020And then from that, that is, that's, you just, in the last minute, you just, you just gave the actual reason why Hamas felt they had to do this.
00:45:58.240That's exactly what they're afraid of.
00:46:00.240That's exactly what they, they, they, they, they can't stand thought of the other Arab nations making peace with Israel and for normalizing relations.
00:46:09.360That was actually their motive in putting this horrible thing together.
00:46:32.240I should tell you that while there have been pro-Hamas rallies in Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, Edmund Cowrie, et cetera, there have been no pro-Hamas rallies in Dubai or Abu Dhabi.