EZRA LEVANT ｜ How do you feel about the government being able to slow or stop your car by remote？
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Tamara Leach's bail hearing in Ottawa is set to be released on bail today. Sheila Gunn-Reed covers the whole thing live for seven hours, and we talk about self-driving cars. But who can turn them on or off? Can the government? What if they don t want you going someplace they don't want you to go? Like a truck or convoy? I'll get into that in the show ahead.
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Hello, my friends. Big show today. We're going to talk to Sheila Gunn-Reed about Tamara Leach's bail hearing in Ottawa today.
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She covered the whole thing live for seven hours.
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And I'm going to talk to you about self-driving cars. Sounds pretty cool, right?
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But who can turn those on or off? Can the government?
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What if you're going someplace they don't want you to go? Like, oh, I don't know, a truck or convoy?
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Tonight, how do you feel about the government being able to slow down or even stop your car
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by remote? It's July 5th and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
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I can't find a clip of it on YouTube, but I seem to remember an episode from that old TV series,
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The Sopranos, where Tony Soprano, the mafia boss, rips out the GPS from a new SUV he bought.
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This was years ago when those things were not common. They were a luxury option in high-end vehicles.
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Tony was physically ripping it out of his car. It's quite a fun scene, partly because he was paranoid,
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but partly because he had reasons to be paranoid. The FBI were surveilling him all the time,
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tracking him. That's why he used phone booths and had in-person meetings.
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He correctly knew that we were moving towards a surveillance state where your location is known
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at all times. It would be interesting to see how Tony Soprano would cope with the invasive
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technology of 2022. I mean, GPS tracking your movements, of course, but the level of total
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perpetual surveillance is here and it's Google and Amazon and Apple and Facebook. And yeah,
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the FBI comes along for the ride too. I mean, seriously, look at this. This is from Brendan Carr,
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an FCC commissioner in the United States has sent for Federal Communications Commission. These are
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the folks in charge of telecommunications and big tech. So here's his tweet. Today, a TikTok exec
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said it was simply false for me to say that they collect face prints, browsing history,
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and keystroke patterns, except I was quoting directly from TikTok's own disclosures.
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TikTok's concerning pattern of misrepresentations about U.S. user data continues.
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I'm not sure if you can see the images he's showing on his tweet there, but it is disclosure
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from TikTok that they don't just track everything you record in that video app and everything you
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watch. They actually are recording you, your face print. That's funny. I thought that was like a
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secret password to open your phone. Well, TikTok's recording that. They're recording your voice print,
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even your keystroke patterns and rhythms. What's that? This is what they admit to doing.
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They're listening to you. They're watching your face. I don't think Tony Soprano would have gone
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for that, do you? And that doesn't even touch on the obvious stuff. Chinese staff of TikTok,
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where TikTok is based, they positively spy on users. Same thing happened with Twitter, of course.
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You know, Tony Soprano had reasons to be afraid. He was a criminal mastermind, but you don't have to
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be a criminal to worry about your privacy. Some things aren't criminal or even unethical. They're
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just private and personal, not meant to be shared with the world or with companies who would want to
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know things about you so they could sell things to you or worse, politicians and governments who want
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to know things about you to punish you or censor you or control you. And that's my real fear.
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It's why I hate the apps we're being literally forced to use during the pandemic. There's an app
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that Trudeau requires you to use to come back to Canada if you leave. I don't even think that's
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constitutional. As a citizen, you have the right to come back. I've never used this app. It's called
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Arrive Can because I haven't been allowed to go to the United States in years. But everyone who does
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legally must use this Arrive Can app or face a fine of up to $5,000 just for coming back to your own
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country. If you don't download this app and log in and use it, $5,000 fine for not positively doing
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this stupid thing Trudeau tells you to do. Now, the app, I'm told, is pretty useless. And it's one of the
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reasons the airports are so bogged down. Here's the story from a few months ago. Arrive Can app troubles
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causing consternation at border. Yeah, it's gotten worse. People hate the app. It's unnecessary,
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of course. But it's not that the app is actually useful to the government for any functionality.
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And so the app gets you conditioned and trained on pain of a huge, in my mind, illegal fine
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and gets you used to being surveilled and scanned and your privacy given up. Here's the World Economic
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Forum's Yuval Noah Harari on that and how COVID was just the excuse for total surveillance.
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COVID is critical because this is what convinces people to accept, to legitimize
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total biometric surveillance. If we want to stop this epidemic, we need not just to monitor people,
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we need to monitor what's happening under their skin.
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The app is tracking you. It's why I fear not regular cryptocurrency like Bitcoin,
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but the proposed government response to crypto, which is central bank digital currencies made by
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governments. Because the government will then be able to track your money in real time,
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who you spend it on. They could theoretically turn off your money, seize your money. Forget about
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seizing bank accounts. They would just make your money vaporized. That's the government response to
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crypto. But what about self-driving cars? They scare me, I won't lie. But they're becoming more and more
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popular. They're on the streets right now. But if a central computer system can control your car, can steer
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it, can slow it down or speed it up, can slam on the brakes. They can do that for traffic reasons, and those are
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good reasons. Why can't they do that for any reason? For political reasons. For stopping you
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from driving somewhere they don't like. Sure, if you're a car thief, a good idea to stop a guy like
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that. But what if you're doing something, going somewhere they just don't want you to go? Just to
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make up an example, what if you were going to a Trump rally? What if your high-tech car won't drive
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you to a Trump rally? Or won't let you go to a bar? Won't let you go anywhere at all during a
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lockdown? The car will not drive. What a terrible future that could be, except it's here, and you
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don't need an American example. How about shutting down a thousand trucks during a convoy? Look at this,
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though. This is from the European Transport Safety Council today. Who are they? They are funded by the
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European Union government. It's the European Union's policy group, and it's where they make
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their recommendations about things like self-driving cars. Look at their news story today. So today is
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July 5th, as I talk to you, and their headline is about their excitement for tomorrow, July 6th, 2022.
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Vehicle safety in Europe takes a giant leap forward. Well, I'm excited about vehicle safety as anybody,
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but I'm not sure if that's the main thing they're actually doing tomorrow.
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New models of car van Lorien bus launched onto the EU-EEA market from tomorrow, July 6th,
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must be fitted as standard. With an array of new vehicle safety technologies, the European Transport
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Safety Council welcomes this milestone, but says standards for two of the new technologies are
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too weak and need to be urgently reviewed. Oh, really? Um, what do you mean? In particular,
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ETSC says that the minimum standards for Intelligent Speed Assistance, ISA, could lead to manufacturers
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building cars with an ISA system that has limited safety benefits and annoys drivers. That is because
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the minimum legal specification allows for a warning-only system that features an annoying audible
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beep, potentially combined with inaccurate speed information due to systems that use only a camera-based
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sign recognition system with no backup in the form of a digital map of speed limit locations.
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So, you know when in many cars, when you don't put on your seatbelts, it makes a beep-beep annoying sound
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until you do. That's nagging. That's nudging. But I suppose you could just ignore it, right?
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Well, they're deploying that same annoyance to how you drive now, including how fast you go.
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I love how they call that speed assistance. We're just assisting you. I'll read from another
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one of their articles. This is from the same European Union traffic group. Can you see the
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image there, actually? Here's a bigger version of it. The car tracks your speed. It, quote,
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helps you not speed when you've reached the speed limit. But it claims, and this is what really
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irritates these bureaucrats, that you can override those annoying beeps if you like. And that's the
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part that the EU is complaining about. They don't want you to be able to override your car's beep-beep-beep
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when it thinks you're going too fast. Here's what the EU's car police say.
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ISA, as it was originally envisaged, is a fantastic, life-saving system. Using sign-reading
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cameras and digital maps of speed limit data, the car can cut engine torque automatically to keep the
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vehicle within the current speed limit. Speed is such an important factor in road deaths that this
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technology alone, if it were fitted to all cars on the road in this form, could cut deaths by 20%.
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Now, I want to show you a video from Ford seven years ago. So, this is before self-driving cars were
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even really a thing. Take a look. Drivers have never needed to be more attentive to avoid speeding.
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So, beginning with the all-new Ford S-Max, Ford has introduced Intelligent Speed Limiter.
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Drivers can choose to activate Intelligent Speed Limiter using the steering wheel controls.
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Intelligent Speed Limiter enables drivers to manually set a maximum vehicle's speed.
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The maximum speed is then automatically adjusted according to information from the
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traffic sign recognition system that reads road signs and overtaking restrictions and displays them
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in the instrument cluster. Cars with onboard navigation can also use map data to support the
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system on long country roads where there may be fewer traffic signs. The system smoothly controls speed
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using engine torque by electronically adjusting the amount of fuel delivered rather than applying
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the brakes. Automatic self-driving cars were not a thing back then. Now they're being mainstream.
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It won't really be voluntary soon now, will it? Now, why would you ever want to speed? I can think of some
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reasons. An emergency? To get to the hospital? Or, I don't know, maybe because other cars are driving at a
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certain speed and to go too slow to go slower than them would actually be dangerous. Has that ever
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happened to you? Or you're on the highway and there's an obstacle and you have to speed up to
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get around something just for a moment to avoid a hazard on the road. There's countless possible
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reasons why in the moment you would actually need to speed to be safe. But imagine that being controlled
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by someone else or some other high-tech system. But I'm not just worried about practical driving
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matters like avoiding an accident or rushing somewhere in an emergency. I'm worried about
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politics because it's what I think about. Do you think the Chinese government is collecting voice
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prints and face prints of millions of users just for commercial reasons? No, of course not. I mean,
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yes, it is for commercial reasons, yes. But it's also for spying reasons, for blackmail reasons even.
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Do you think a government that would seize your bank account if you dared to go to a peaceful
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trucker convoy that invoked a form of martial law because few trucks were honking their horns,
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do you doubt that such authoritarians would simply turn off cars and trucks of everyone in the convoy,
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including the thousands who drove across and around Canada? They put Tamara Leach in prison
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for taking a selfie with a trucker. Do you doubt such people would have turned off her vehicle
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when she left Medicine Hat? Yeah, you know, I'm with Tony Soprano on this one. He was a criminal,
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that's for sure. But I'm more scared of Trudeau than I am of any mafia man. Stay with us for more.
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Hey, I want to let you know something. A few weeks ago, I was at a crime scene
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and I was a witness to a crime. Not exaggerating. It was the annual Justice Center for Constitutional
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Freedom Gala Dinner for Freedom. It's named after the late columnist George Jonas who really wrote about
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freedom a lot. And I've loved going to these things. I love the Justice Center for Constitutional
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Freedoms. They do civil liberties work. Just outstanding. John Carpe is their boss. He's been
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on our show a dozen times. I like going to show support for them. And I was excited that Tamara Leach,
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the trucker, grandma, organizer lady, was there as the recipient of the Freedom Award.
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And she's also a client of the Justice Center. I had actually never met Tamara Leach before,
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so I posed with her for a selfie that I use as my little, you know, avatar, as it's called on social
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media. Other people, and I want to tell you, it was very busy. And I'm almost to my point here.
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And Rex Murphy spoke. He was very exciting. And it was a thrill to be in a room with, I don't know,
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four or five hundred freedom-loving people to celebrate freedom instead of all the heckling
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and the nagging we get from authoritarians. But my point is, I saw Tamara Leach. She was the honoree
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of the night. And she was just beset by well-wishers posing for a photo or a selfie, although it wasn't
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really a selfie because others took the photo. Now, you know what that's like, right? If you've
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been to any public event where there's sort of a star, people say, can I get a photo? Yes. They
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pose. They take it. Everyone sort of freezes their mouth. They're not talking during the photo, right?
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That's an important point. They're not talking. They maybe say, cheese, but they're not talking.
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Or they just smile and they're ready, click. So that's what it was like for Tamara Leach,
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pretty much the whole night where she wasn't eating at her table or giving her
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awards or reception speech on the stage. I know that because I was there. I know that because
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I sat two tables away from her. And I know that because I personally asked for a selfie with her
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and I got it. Now, I tell you all this, not to brag that I met Tamara Leach, although there's a tiny
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bit of that there. But what I've just described, the fact that she took a selfie with another trucker
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organizer named Tom Morazzo was the thin pretext for the Ottawa police to order a national warrant
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out for Tamara Leach's arrest. I'm serious. The kind of thing that normally you do if there was a
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murderer on the loose or an escaped prisoner. And police waited, though. They waited. They knew she took
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this photo on June 16th. It was posted almost immediately. But they waited, waited, waited, waited.
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And then they put out the warrant and had her arrested just before the July 1st weekend when
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there was another freedom convoy in Ottawa. And it has been nine days since she was imprisoned
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on the crime of taking a selfie. And she had a bail hearing on that today in Ottawa.
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And our chief reporter and friend Sheila Gunn-Reed covered the hearing by video link. She joins us now
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to talk about it. Sheila, great to see you. I know you spent the whole day covering this bail hearing.
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Bail hearings, I can assure you, are not usually an all-day affair. Tell me how it was.
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Well, you know, I think you covered a lot of the nuts and bolts of why this is happening. Tamera Leach was
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arrested nine days ago for breach of a noncommunication condition of her release conditions from earlier,
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so way back in March, for taking that picture with a fellow convoy organizer, Tom Maratso. But she never
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actually really communicated with Tom Maratso. And that's what's prohibited in her bail conditions.
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Um, she just took a photo with him. And one of the stipulations of her bail conditions are that
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if she is in and around other convoy organizers communicating with them, that it happens in the
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presence of her lawyers. Well, guess who her lawyers are? The Justice Center for Constitutional
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Freedoms. The room was teeming with Tamera's lawyers. And it was very interesting today because
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the homicide detective assigned to Tamera's case, a 22-year veteran of the force in Ottawa,
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Chris Benson. Um, if you are murdered in Ottawa, I can't imagine that your case will ever be solved
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because this guy didn't know who John Carpe was. He had no idea. He was asked on the stand,
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who's that guy? I don't know who he is. It was John Carpe, the head of the Justice Center.
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Then he was asked, who is John Carpe? I don't know who that is. Um, so he, this police detective,
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he said, Tamera took a photo with this man. And this photo constitutes a breach of her conditions,
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but he didn't know who her lawyers were at all. He had no idea. So how can he breach her on a condition
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that says you can be with this guy if you're in the presence of your lawyer, when he had no idea who
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her lawyer was? Worse still, they extended this Canada-wide nationwide warrant to pick her up
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on a non-communication breach. Something Detective Benson testified that he had never done before,
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but it sounds like they sent two detectives, a supervisor and another cop all the way from Ottawa
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out to Alberta to Medicine Hat to grab Tamera. They're treating her like she is public enemy
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number one, instead of a cute little Métis grandma who embarrassed Justin Trudeau on an
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international scale. And that's really her crime here. Did you say they sent three cops to bring
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her in? Is that what you said? Yeah, I think actually it might have been four,
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but definitely two homicide detectives and a supervisor. So that's from Ottawa. And of course,
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the Medicine Hat police couldn't be happier to comply with Trudeau. They're excited. Maybe they'll
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get promoted or something. So you had three or maybe four cops from Ottawa fly all the way out
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to Medicine Hat. And then you had the Medicine Hat cops on this. So this is like a major vice squad.
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This is like the major drug cartel squad, the anti-mob squad. This is a major policing effort. I don't
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know if there was at the same time a larger police effort in the country. And of course,
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they took the homicide cop because that's the level of gravity here. Someone taking a selfie.
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I want to know how it went. I followed your live tweets on the subject. You were watching this
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thing and tweeting along and it sounded like the judge was not sympathetic. No, this is a completely
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different judge than the one who reduced her bail conditions, which allowed her to go to the George
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Jonas Freedom Award banquet. That judge made remarks about, you know, thought policing and that,
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you know, we're here to police behavior, but not thoughts. When the Crown was asking for very
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specific restrictions in Tamara's bail conditions. This one is quite different. If I had to guess,
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I would say on about a 60% chance that he would probably let her out of jail on Friday when we
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will get his judgment. But he was allowing the Crown to ask questions I thought had absolutely no
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relevance in this case. For example, asking Detective Benson, who should be solving the 20 plus unsolved
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homicides in Ottawa, whether or not the convoy protests from February had any impact on the
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feeling of Canada Day. What does that got to do with anything? How do you measure feeling? Was it a
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four on the feeling scale or was it a seven on the feeling scale? Well, and what does that got to do with
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Tamara, who has been in jail since the 27th? She is not accused of organizing any protesting on Canada Day.
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She wasn't even free on Canada Day. But this Benson said, oh, you know, like there were fewer
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families out there on Canada Day. And, you know, the ceremonies were a little more subdued on Canada
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Day. Well, that might have something to do with the Ottawa police scaring the daylights out of people
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for 10 days in advance. And just blockading it and blockading and seizing flags, you know,
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to ask maybe they were there. Maybe they were there protesting the fact that a little lady is a
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political prisoner that can really throw a pall over your celebrations, don't you think?
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Yeah. And I wonder if that cop even went to the hill to observe or if he was just regurgitating
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what the CBC media told them. What a disgraceful question by a disgraceful prosecutor. It's a disgrace
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that the judge allowed it. And it's a disgrace that the cop answered it as if the cop has any expertise
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in feelings. But on looking at it another way, it's a perfect question because we all know this isn't
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about actually solving crimes. We all know this wasn't actually about breaking the law. We all
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know we are far outside the norms for bail. I've never in my life heard of anyone being imprisoned
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and not granted bail for, quote, breach of, sorry, inciting malice or mischief, not malice, inciting
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mischief. No one's been charged with mischief, but this little grandma is being charged with inciting
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mischief that no one else has been charged with. So that's sort of weird. No bail, nine days this
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time around, plus however many days the last time around. I remember my very first day as a law
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student in criminal docket court and someone who received a sentence for sexual assault. I think
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it was a 30 day sentence he received for sexual assault. And that's what this little granny has now
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served almost, almost coming up on 30 days for for having the wrong attitude. So in that way,
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that's what so the feelings question, the attitude question is highly appropriate because she's a
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political prisoner and it's all about feelings. Remember, this is the same Ottawa police force
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that put out a tweet a few days ago saying we're closing replies because this should be a safe place
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because they were threatening people on Twitter. People were clapping back and they were censoring
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people. The Ottawa police force is no longer a credible, objective, safe police force. They are
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political. They are woke. They are censorious. They're coloring outside the lines of their regular authority.
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And it is no surprise to me that they put arresting this this grandma ahead of actually solving crimes. What a disgrace.
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Well, and you know, to put this into some larger context in Winnipeg and an Antifa member completely
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weaponized by liberal and police rhetoric that convoy protesters were white supremacist, violent Nazis.
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These are people who go through their life saying that I'm going to punch a Nazi. And then when the TV tells
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them the Nazis are in town, what do you think they're going to do? He took his Jeep, drove into a convoy protest,
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hit for them through his own ineptitude. He didn't kill them. He just injured them. He was out on bail the very
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next day, the very next day. And yet Tamara, she's held in jail for nine days this time for non breach of
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a non-communication condition, which is completely unheard of. And you have to remember, they tried to breach
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her on conditions for simply accepting this award. They were trying to get her. They didn't want her to
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attend this award ceremony. They tried to breach her before. Now they're just breaching her after the
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fact. They're trying to teach her a lesson. And what a disgrace that she had to wait nine days
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to get before a judge. What was the reason for keeping her in prison for nine days before getting
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her before the judge? My understanding is that normally you have the right to be before a judge
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in 48 hours or less. Again, just absolute politicization and corruption of our legal system
00:26:09.900
out of control. I mentioned in my opening remarks what the photo looked like and what photos are
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like. And every person watching this show has taken photos before. You pause, you stay as still as you can,
00:26:26.700
and you don't talk. So she and the person she was allegedly communicating with were both in the photo
00:26:35.900
smiling, not talking. But again, that's a perfect Stalinist crime. You were photographed with another
00:26:43.900
enemy of the state. Was there any other, I guess you were watching by video. Could you detect if there
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were other media covering this? I bet there were, because they hate Tamara Leach. They want her in jail.
00:26:56.940
So it's not like they would just ignore this. They hate her. What was the coverage like? Have you seen any
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other coverage from the media party? You know, I, it's very difficult to start looking at everybody
00:27:06.540
else's coverage while you're trying to cover it in the corner of your, uh, ear. But, um, I know that
00:27:13.260
our, um, reporter William Diaz was in the courtroom. Oh yeah. Uh, and then, uh, from what I understand,
00:27:19.820
there were six other journalists in the courtroom, you know, probably mainstream media journalists who
00:27:25.500
need their bloodlust satiated. And then there were probably another dozen or so on the, the live
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stream through zoom. But I know the judge said there were seven reporters in the courtroom.
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And of course, one of them was our William. So we had two. Right. Well, I'm glad he was there. And
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hopefully, you know, a couple of independent journalists were there, whether it was Rupa
00:27:46.460
Supermania, who's based in Ottawa, or I know the Epoch Times is an Ottawa reporter. So, um,
00:27:52.220
um, you know, I'm glad this is getting coverage. It'll be fascinating to see, uh, if you have
00:27:57.340
trouble wondering what the left would do with this, I mean, imagine if a black lives matter,
00:28:03.260
or I don't know more, or if, oh, I don't know, Stephen Gilboa, the, um, cabinet minister who was
00:28:10.060
a Greenpeace, uh, criminal who broke into the CN tower or broke out of it and had a whole stunt.
00:28:17.260
He was convicted. I don't think he did a day's time in prison. And imagine if you held an
00:28:23.340
environmental protester for nine days. Plus, I think she was in prison for 13 days beforehand.
00:28:28.460
Yep. So 22 days in prison. She hasn't had a trial yet. She hasn't been convicted of anything yet.
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Taking a photo with someone else who's on the enemies list. Imagine what the media party would say
00:28:42.300
if any, if David Suzuki, David Suzuki, who willingly goes to commit crimes, you know, um, to be
00:28:49.820
in illegal protest, blocking things, sabotaging forestry or, or oil sand sites, he goes and
00:28:57.260
deliberately breaks the law. Imagine if he were in jail for even one night, let alone 22 nights,
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We don't have to imagine this, Ezra. We have David Suzuki saying, you know, maybe pipelines are
00:29:13.580
going to blow up. And then a short time after there's that whole work site of coastal gas link
00:29:19.900
that is absolutely trashed by, um, radical environmentalists. And nobody ever accused David
00:29:27.100
Suzuki of inciting violence and vandalism, let alone mischief. But Tamara Leach, because she said,
00:29:34.460
hold the line, hold the line. Yeah. She's in jail. Yeah. Well, I, I really think that Canada has a civil
00:29:41.500
rights problem. I don't think any of the normal checks and balances in our entire democracy are
00:29:46.620
working. The media is, um, in cahoots with Trudeau because he pays them off and they're ideologically
00:29:53.900
sympathetic to him and opposed to the truckers anyways. Um, I saw this bizarre, uh, dear diary series of
00:30:01.660
tweets from a CBC reporter today who, who despises Tamara Leach, uh, who, who, as you mentioned,
00:30:07.820
is a Métis grandma, but he denounces himself as a white man. It's the most bizarre thing to think
00:30:13.180
that such woke, corrupted journalists at the CBC and elsewhere would hold Trudeau and his abusiveness
00:30:19.740
to account as a joke. I'm worried about your live tweets about what this judge looks like. The police are
00:30:25.660
disreputable. Never obey an Ottawa police officer without challenging them because they're clearly
00:30:31.900
out of control. I'm not counseling Wallace's. I'm saying challenge them because they're clearly out
00:30:36.940
of control. And all those things you're describing right there, sorry to interrupt you, but all those
00:30:42.140
things that you're describing right there is why the convoy happened. The courts failed, the judges
00:30:47.020
failed, the bureaucracy failed, academia failed, the police failed, our churches failed, civil society
00:30:52.620
failed. And so it was to the truckers and their supporters who stood up and that's why they went
00:30:57.740
to Ottawa. All the problems you're describing, they failed. So the truckers did something.
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Yeah. Well, I'm sure. I'm glad that you covered that. I would recommend to people to on our website
00:31:07.980
and on Sheila's Twitter feed, you can go and get the moment by moment, live tweeting of the trial. I
00:31:12.940
read it very informative and frankly, a little bit worrying. Sheila, thanks for championing that case.
00:31:19.740
And you do a lot of these court reports. There were other reporters there today,
00:31:22.940
but I know in the past, for example, you were literally the only journalist covering the
00:31:26.620
persecution of churches that are being shut down. And Jason Kenney, even though he's been sacked
00:31:34.540
as the leader of the United Conservative Party, he's still the premier and he's still prosecuting
00:31:38.780
and persecuting them. Thanks for doing your great work, Sheila. And you say the results of this bail
00:31:44.540
hearing should be released on Friday, is that what you said?
00:31:50.700
Again, absolutely gross. The judge has all the facts. He can issue a verbal ruling tonight.
00:31:59.900
Or tomorrow. Why doesn't he stay up late and work through the night and issue a verbal ruling tomorrow
00:32:06.540
and then say written reasons, detailed written reasons to come later? That's what you do when you're
00:32:11.980
in a hurry. I don't know if you remember when we went to court in a real hurry.
00:32:16.380
When we were banned, when Rebel News reporters were banned from the leadership debates in the
00:32:21.900
federal election, in both cases, the judges said, I have to give an immediate ruling because this is
00:32:27.980
so urgent. Here's my immediate ruling. Reasons to come later. And frankly, those judges took months
00:32:33.500
because, you know, there was no more urgency once they let us in. Imagine being such a lazy bones.
00:32:42.140
It's Tuesday. I need Tuesday night and Wednesday, Wednesday night and Thursday, Thursday night and
00:32:49.660
Friday. I'll make my announcement because, you know, I got other things to do. And that woman can soak in
00:32:56.780
jail for another Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, another. So she'll be at 25 days pre-custody because
00:33:04.060
I'm a busy judge. I'm busy. I'm an important person. And this woman can rot in jail for three
00:33:11.980
more days because I'm so important. She can wait.
00:33:17.740
It's a disgrace. Sheila, thanks for your time. Keep up the beat. Keep up following this. We got to do it.
00:33:23.020
I will. All right. There you have it. Sheila Gunn-Reid, our favorite person,
00:33:26.940
chief reporter. Stay with us. Your letters to me are next.
00:33:41.980
Hey, welcome back. Your letters. Peculiar Lou says,
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Ezra's right. Police only no force. So use the force
00:33:49.180
you have to push back. No violence because they dominate that, but stop complying or just be nice
00:33:55.420
Canadians and keep watching arbitrary rules made up to hold you down, i.e. Tamera Leach.
00:34:00.380
Yeah. Well, let me just reiterate something. And when I said earlier, challenge the Ottawa police,
00:34:05.420
I don't mean challenge them physically. You challenge a cop, you'll be killed. If you go too far, you'll be
00:34:11.740
injured for sure. They have violent force. They're physically violent. They have guns. And if you
00:34:18.780
overwhelm one, they'll call for backup. Do not be physical with police. Challenge them. Challenge
00:34:24.380
them to show you the law they're acting under. If they ask you questions, challenge them on what
00:34:29.500
authority they ask you or tell them to go to get a search warrant. Don't volunteer things. The
00:34:33.180
Ottawa police have lost the benefit of the doubt. Their police chief is the most corrupt police chief
00:34:39.180
in the country who is doing clearly abusive things, including this absurd and political
00:34:45.260
arrest of Tamera Leach. I mean, I keep reading stories about how Vladimir Putin is arresting his
00:34:49.660
critics in Moscow. And I think, yeah, boy, glad we don't have that round here. Now let's cover the
00:34:55.340
Tamera Leach story. Yes. Yes. Trottamundo says, we don't want to be seen as defying the law directly.
00:35:04.540
They weren't breaking the law. I agree. They should have just recorded everything and said, go ahead,
00:35:09.180
write the ticket for the law you just invented. I'll see you in court. I know the law. I'm a lawyer.
00:35:13.580
And the cop would have had one or two choices back down or double down and lose. You're talking
00:35:17.660
about when our friends at the democracy fund, um, Mark and Adam were there and the cops said,
00:35:24.300
move your sign. You can have it on your feet, but not on the ground. You can move it, but not have
00:35:29.180
it like just, they were making it up. They were just making it up. And I, you know, I didn't want
00:35:34.300
to challenge. I mean, Mark Joseph has the right answer. A lawyer is technically an officer of the court
00:35:39.500
and you're under certain rules for how you have to conduct yourself. But when the police make up
00:35:48.220
rules to punish civil liberties lawyers, I think, I don't know. I mean, I, listen, I wasn't there.
00:35:55.260
I wasn't there. And here I am Monday morning quarterback, but I know what I would have done.
00:35:59.980
I would have said, well, it looks like you're going to have to arrest a civil liberties lawyer.
00:36:03.180
Uh, I hope you get a big raise for that because, uh, it's going to color your career for the rest
00:36:08.780
of your life. And we're going to spend some time together in court. So if you really think that a
00:36:12.380
sign saying strengthening democracy, where we give out legal advice, it doesn't block anything,
00:36:16.860
doesn't block any path. If you really think that that's against the law, let's have a judge correct
00:36:21.660
you on that. Although for all I know, you'd go in front of one of these Trudeau judges who'd say,
00:36:25.740
no, that's criminal behavior. Uh, just don't take any selfies with anyone. I really think we're in
00:36:31.660
danger here. The rule of law is being worn out. Um, I think one of the jobs of the government
00:36:37.260
is to protect our freedoms, but I think maybe that's a foolish thought because I think government
00:36:42.700
is the worst threat to our freedoms. Well, that's our show for today. Very troubling times.
00:36:49.020
On behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters to you at home, good night.
00:36:53.900
Public inquiries proceedings for June 30th just ended, and we have just come out of the
00:36:59.420
Halifax Convention Center where they have been held. Today was a jam-packed full day. The primary
00:37:06.060
focus was on policing in rural communities as well as firearms and how they are used in those
00:37:12.860
communities. A round table discussion was had much like the coverage we had on the last proceedings
00:37:19.340
that took place here. They had experts in the field of psychology. They had researchers as well come
00:37:25.100
together to try to find and learn from what happened so that Canada can better manage situations that
00:37:31.580
cause mass trauma, like Canada's deadliest mass shooting. We also had a chance to speak with lawyer
00:37:39.100
Michael Scott again. He is the attorney for many of the family to the victims. Last time we talked to him
00:37:46.380
in a report you can see below, he raised concerns about the allegations of political interference.
00:37:53.020
In particular, the fact that notes that had those allegations from Superintendent Darren Campbell were
00:38:00.220
withheld by the Department of Justice. But today he raised another concern. The commission has released
00:38:06.540
their list of upcoming witnesses over the months of July and August. RCMP Commissioner Brenda Luckey,
00:38:13.820
who is at the heart of the scandal, will in fact be testifying this summer during the commission,
00:38:19.740
as well as Superintendent Darren Campbell, whose notes detail the allegations against her.
00:38:26.300
And on that list is Wartman's former common law partner, Lisa Banfield. But here's the thing,
00:38:32.780
Scott is raising concerns about this because he is not directly able to question Ms. Banfield when she comes.
00:38:39.660
There are a few principles more fundamental to our understanding of procedural fairness and justice
00:38:47.260
than, you know, we ask the questions, provided they're relevant in the audience. But I've certainly
00:38:53.260
never seen anything like this. And not only do we have to ensure that justice is done, but it has to be
00:38:58.940
seem to be done. And, you know, when we start blocking participants from being involved in a meaningful way,
00:39:07.180
it really undermines the perception that the process is transparent.
00:39:12.780
Of course, we reached out to the commission to better understand why this is the case. And this is a
00:39:17.180
summary of what they said to me in a statement. And you can find that by clicking on the link in the
00:39:22.220
description to this report. The commission's statement included the following. Given Ms. Banfield's
00:39:27.820
situation as a survivor of the perpetrator's violence and in light of the quality and quantity
00:39:32.860
of information she has already provided to the commission through five detailed interviews,
00:39:38.300
the commission believes it is in public interest that all questions asked of Ms. Banfield from
00:39:43.980
participants be asked by commission counsel. Legal counsel for all participants have the opportunity
00:39:50.460
to provide questions to commission counsel prior to her testimony. Participant counsel will then have
00:39:56.460
additional opportunities to provide further questions to commission. They added that it's important to
00:40:03.340
remember that a public inquiry is not a trial, nor is it about assigning blame. Public inquiries are about
00:40:12.620
change. You can find the full statement at the written report, which is linked in the description box below.
00:40:19.980
So that is the commission side of things. But Scott also had something to say about the fact that Ms.
00:40:25.260
Banfield was in fact abused by Wartman, but why he still should be able to question her.
00:40:31.900
But we're certainly very concerned that in the rush to fulfill the commission's mandate to address issues
00:40:38.140
that she's been a partner of violence, that we're going to miss the fact that Ms. Banfield is the most
00:40:43.580
important witness to the events of April 18th and 19th. No one knows the perpetrator better than she does,
00:40:50.780
and nobody has more information about the events leading up to the mass casualty. Now I gotta tell you,
00:40:57.740
as Lincoln behind the camera and myself are walking around asking questions in the community, learning what's
00:41:02.940
going on in the commission, reading lots of stuff, it's starting to look like everybody is just pointing
00:41:08.060
fingers at everybody. It's the RCMP's fault, it's the commission's fault, it's the government's fault.
00:41:14.700
But something interesting, somebody inside told me who prefers to remain unmained, is that if Wartman was
00:41:20.700
still alive, the focus would be on him and the trial, and he would be to blame. I thought that was just an
00:41:27.020
interesting perspective there as well. Now what's the latest on the Trudeau RCMP scandal connected to
00:41:33.340
this mass shooting? Well in my last report I mentioned that another attorney named Jamie Van Wart requested
00:41:40.140
that six documents tied to the April 28th 2020 meeting with Commissioner Brenda Luckey and other
00:41:48.220
senior management in the RCMP be made public. That included emails as well as a letter. Those documents
00:41:56.220
have in fact been made public on the Mass Casualty Commission's website. I want to read some of the
00:42:02.220
letter to you. It is insane. It is a letter from a second RCMP member, this time the former director
00:42:10.860
of communications, Leah Scanlon. And she is basically respectfully scolding Commissioner Luckey for how she
00:42:19.500
treated these police who were trying to do their best in dealing with this mass shooting.
00:42:25.740
You got to hear some of this letter but again I will link the full thing in the report. The letter
00:42:30.860
starts off by praising Superintendent Darren Campbell saying that he completed a lengthy press conference
00:42:37.420
to provide information to the public while protecting the integrity of the ongoing investigation.
00:42:43.580
She says Darren was exceptional, the best she's ever seen do this before. He achieved exactly what we set
00:42:50.540
out to accomplish and did so with poise, class, compassion and courage adding that Darren restored
00:42:57.420
a sense of pride within our membership and represented the force in a manner that we should hold as the
00:43:03.900
standard. She says shortly after the press release she was summoned on behalf of Commissioner Brenda Luckey
00:43:10.620
to have a meeting immediately. She suspected that it may have to do with the guns given that she was
00:43:17.180
asked if Darren could speak about the guns less than two hours before the press conference was scheduled
00:43:23.020
to take place. Adding that from an investigational standpoint those details could not be discussed
00:43:29.340
publicly. She says she had indicated in an email that the caliber of the guns would not be included in Darren's
00:43:36.460
remark and that it was important for her to point out that in the division they had made a commitment
00:43:42.060
that guided all of their public releases of information and that commitment was to the
00:43:47.580
families of the victims that prior to any public release they would ensure that the families were informed
00:43:55.100
first to prevent them from being re-victimized by hearing new information in the media. Scanlon then accuses
00:44:02.540
Lucky of personally attacking her and the work that they had done says that Lucky said that she perceived
00:44:09.740
their actions as a blatant sign of disrespect adding that Lucky said they had let the boys down referring to
00:44:18.300
the two young boys whose parents were brutally murdered from the mad gunman. Scanlon adds that Lucky had
00:44:26.060
informed them of the pressures and conversations she had had with then minister Bill Blair and that they then
00:44:33.500
clearly understood this was related to the upcoming passing of the gun legislation. Can you believe that?
00:44:40.780
What kind of twisted and sick mind is it if Commissioner Brenda Luckey used those two boys who had just
00:44:48.780
sat there for hours after their parents had been murdered by Wartman as a tool to try to manipulate and
00:44:55.900
shame these RCMP members into doing her bidding to further the Liberal government's
00:45:03.180
gun ban agenda on legal firearm owners which Wartman was not. And special thank you to everybody who's
00:45:10.780
come together to help us be able to do these reports. You guys have been donating at FireLucky.com so
00:45:16.860
that we could afford the economy flights to be here, the affordable accommodation, the meals on the go,
00:45:22.300
and the transportation. Thank you so much. I can't stress that enough because independent media needs to
00:45:27.980
be all over this story. Not that we're profiting but that we are covering our expenses so we're able
00:45:33.660
to bring you important news just like this. I'm Joya Humphrey and this is Rebel News.