EZRA LEVANT ｜ Injustice in Ottawa： The flawed Freedom Convoy trial continues
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Tamara Leach's trial has been going on for more than two weeks now, and it's getting worse by the day. She's been charged with one count of inciting mischief, and her co-defendant, Chris Barber, is on trial for the same charge.
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Hello, my friends. Big show today. I'm in the field covering the Tamara Leach trial in Ottawa
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while all my colleagues were across Canada covering the Million Parent March against
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Gender Ideology. I was trapped listening to the testimony in the trial while my friends were out
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Tonight, big day in Ottawa to Tamara Leach's trial and a nationwide march of a million folks
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in support of parental rights over gender theory. It's September 20th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
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Hi, everybody. Ezra Levant here for Rebel News. I'm in Ottawa at the continuing trial of Tamara
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Leach and her co-defendant, Chris Barber. Behind me, if you can see it, that brutalist building
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is the very ugly Ottawa Courts building. So instead, I'm going to turn around and have a
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prettier piece of architecture. There is some gorgeous buildings in Ottawa, so let's look at
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that instead. In court, I came a little bit early, and I saw Chris Barber arrive
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with his lawyers, and I saw Tamara Leach arrive with her lawyers.
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Had a little bit of a chat with him as it came in. And then I went in. The trial was scheduled for
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10 a.m., but it got off to a slow start and then immediately was bogged down in sort of procedural
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housekeeping issues. And I started to think, hmm, I thought this trial would be sort of humming
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along smoothly now as it's been going on for more than two weeks. But I realized what a mess it's been
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how the prosecution, because they switched Crown prosecutors on this case a few months ago. For
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the first year, the prosecution was led by an absolutely maniacal, vendetta-driven prosecutor
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named Moise Karimji, who was so hot-temptered and foul-mooted that I think the Justice Department
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said, we're going to lose it simply by virtue of this guy's atrocious personality. And so just a few
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months ago, they sacked Moise Karimji as the prosecutor and put in a new team. But of course,
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the bulk of the Crown's case had been done. So these new lawyers who, from what I can tell,
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are sort of normal prosecutors, not motivated by a crazy ideological vendetta. I'm not saying that
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casually, Moise Karimji, senior donor to the Liberals, just a crazy blogger, tweeter, you know,
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really a communist. And, you know, it showed good judgment by the Justice Department to knock him off
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the case. But, you know, the cake was half-baked. And now you've got these two new prosecutors trying
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to salvage it. It doesn't look good. You know, the Democracy Fund and Rebel News have crowdfunded
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literally thousands of court cases for people charged with various offenses during the pandemic,
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during the lockdowns. And hundreds of them have simply been dropped or stayed or withdrawn by the
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prosecution because there was nothing there. The tickets were issued by police who were being
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overly aggressive. The laws were poorly thought through and maybe were unconstitutional. Or,
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you know, on review, it just wasn't worth the government's time to prosecute and to have
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judges. So, for whatever reason, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of cases have been dropped
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without trial. And Tamara Leach's case is obviously one such case. I mean, inciting mischief or whatever.
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And, like, it's just so laughable that you would have two prosecutors, a judge, and dozens and dozens
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of days in court set aside for an incitement to mischief trial. If it weren't for the political
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reputation and the fact that the Crown and the prosecutors and Trudeau doesn't want to lose face,
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this would be one of the hundreds of cases that was withdrawn or abandoned, just like the no-name cases
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around the country. The only reason this prosecution is proceeding
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is because Tamara Leach is famous, and because so many politicians have demonized her, so they have
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to see it through. I actually feel slightly sorry for the prosecutors who have to make that work. I
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don't think it's working, and that was very quickly evident to me. This trial is sort of broken. And I
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think this is the third witness, and it's been more than two weeks, and the government says they have
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20 more witnesses, and if it continues at this laughable pace, this will be a trial that takes
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the rest of the year. And, you know, there's a judgment call the prosecutors have to make. Is the
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case, is there a reasonable likelihood of conviction? I'm not sure if that's here. Judging from the witness
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just sort of rambling on about his personal feelings of the lockdown and the convoy, I don't
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know if they have a case against her, but the second test is, is it in the public interest?
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And there is a serious judge on the bench here. She was the same judge that oversaw the prosecution
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of Vice Admiral Mark Norman. You might remember that case from a few years back. He did something to
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cross Justin Trudeau. So Trudeau whipped up a case, basically tried to frame Mark Norman, and there was
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this whole trial, and then there was some prosecutorial misconduct that was discovered
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halfway through the trial. And so there was a very speedy dismissal, and the government was
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humiliated. They apologized. I think they paid his legal fees. This same judge oversaw that. So what I
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like about that is this judge knows the kind of political BS that is sometimes in this tale,
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and there is no, simply no way that she can't detect that same BS here in this case. And what I want to
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point out is that the witness who I, I mean, I did listen to this witness. His name was Kim Ayotte. He's
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the city manager for Ottawa in charge of emergency things. So yes, he was involved with the city's
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response to the cowboy. Absolutely. But he testified today that he never once had any interactions with
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Tamera Leach. Never once. I don't think he's ever met her to this day. He had a brief interaction
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with Chris Barber, the co-defendant, but it was all about how to keep lines of communication open
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between the city and the truckers, and how to move some trucks away from residential areas to
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other places. So it was actually a very positive interaction, if I understood his testimony. But for
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half an hour today, he described a walkabout he did. He just went for a walk,
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and he went on this street and that street and he saw this truck and he saw that bouncy castle.
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And the whole time I'm thinking, okay, I'm ready for your point. Okay, this is a trial of two people
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who are charged with a very specific criminal charge. You have to prove certain elements of
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the charge, what they did. I'm ready for it. I'm waiting for it. And it never came. It just never came.
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And he's been going for two or three days now. And he's just sort of meandering. It reminded me of
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that TV show, I don't know if you've ever heard of it, What We Do in the Shadows. It's a vampire
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comedy. And it's a very obscure, quirky comedy. And they have these vampires who speak with European
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accents. And it's very funny. But there's this character in this comedy called Colin Robinson.
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And they always call him by his first name and last name. And he doesn't look like a vampire at all.
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He calls himself an energy vampire. And he's just the kind of person that maybe you know of in your
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office who is just so irritating and speaks so slowly and just says things that you find frustrating.
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So this character in this comedy, Colin Robinson is an energy vampire. Here's a quick clip to show
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you what i'm talking about. Are we having a house meeting? No. No. So your gathering here is just a
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coincidence? Yes. I am what's known as a psychic vampire or energy vampire. Energy vampires drain
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people's energy merely by talking to them. Actual versus budget year to date? No thanks. You're gonna be at that all day.
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I'm just gonna do a quick mega feed and then I'll be right back. Mr. Robinson, are you here?
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I'm holding up a finger indicating to hold on a second. I'll be right back. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Evie. Evie. Emotional vent. Oh, hell. It's on, Evie Russell. Oh, it's on. I like your skirt.
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You should be careful because mauve attracts bees. I was wearing this skirt when my sister got her
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cancer diagnosis. Cancer isn't usually what kills you. It's the treatment. She was killed by a drunk
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driver. He was my fiance. Violence often begins at home. Studies indicate. I've never had a home.
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We don't have to be enemies. Have you ever considered hunting with a partner?
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It is a dick clip. What is that? Hey dudes. It's me, Colin Robinson, your roommate.
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Yeah, Guillermo's here too. He was running around peeing himself. I didn't pee myself, master.
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I was walking by this hardware store and I says to myself, Colin, you should go in and see if they have
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any umbrellas for the well. I made sure to keep the receipt. I'm going to probably take it back.
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You can do that on non-food items. Is he zapping our energy?
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He's taking advantage of us. Shut up. Do you not want me to say, I'll go.
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Just giving you guys guff. Yeah, that's what I thought of when I saw Kim Ayo just and I walked
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down this street and I walked down that street and I saw a bouncy castle and they were dancing and that
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was illegal. He literally said it was illegal to dance in Ottawa without a permit. And at that point,
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the judge herself just had to weigh in and said, are you serious? But what's crazy to me is this guy's
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just rambling on and they've got 20 odd more witnesses to go. Just they're just going to ramble.
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I don't even know what they're going to, what they're going to say. Um, because they, I mean,
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this is not a trial of the whole convoy. This is a trial of two individual people. Um, most famously,
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Tamara Leach and this guy has never met or talked to or texted or interacted with Tamara Leach.
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And even as he was saying when I walked down the street, but I didn't gather evidence, I'm
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I just did it as for observations. Well, if you, if you just said you gathered no evidence,
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if you didn't take notes, if you, if nothing, why are you giving evidence? If you just said you
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didn't collect evidence and the evidence is just a general complaint about the truckers. You heard
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some honking. We know that Walter Cronkite, we know, you know, thanks for the news update. There
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was honking. We know that. Can you please tell me how that goes to the criminal charge of inciting
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the shift of Tamara Leach? And I don't know how long this judge is going to let this go because
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she's a busy woman, a serious woman. There are serious matters in this court to deal with. There
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are real crimes in the city. There are people in prison awaiting their trial. There are real matters
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afoot. And to give such prosecutorial resources to, to this laughable case. I mean, I, I thought,
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am I wrong here? I mean, I don't practice law. I'm a former lawyer, but I don't practice law. Do I
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really know these things? But I, I spoke to two lawyers who said, yeah, this is crazy. And then I
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walked in and there was a lady who introduced herself to me and said, she's been coming every day.
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And I said, well, you certainly must have a lot of patience if you're coming back every day.
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And she said that she's a former court reporter, like the stenographer who has to listen to all
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this stuff. And she says, she's never seen anything like it. Let me tell you one more
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anecdote. I used to know a senior lawyer who practiced defamation law, and he said he was
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never afraid of the defamation notices that were 20 pages law. He said he was afraid of the ones that
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were one or two sentences law. He said, because if someone's complaining about one specific thing,
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odds are they got you. But if they need 20 pages to tell you why you're wrong,
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odds are they got nothing. And that's what I was thinking about today. They've got more than 20
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witnesses about how Tamara Leach is guilty, but I'm not sure if any of them have ever even met her.
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They're just telling these rambling stories like Colin Robinson, the energy vampire. And they're just
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going on and on and on. And it reminds me of what that senior lawyer said. If you've got the goods,
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you only need a few sentences. The very fact that they need two dozen witnesses says they don't have
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anything. And I think it's a sham that this continues as long. I did notice that the judge
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was starting to lose her patience. And I just can't imagine that she will allow this abomination of a
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prosecution to continue for the 80 days that will be needed if they stay on this page. I just can't
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believe that. And I hope that her experience in the Mark Norman case will inform her dealings in this
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case. Hey, I'm enjoying being in court. I like live tweeting. You know me. I like I was just the other
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day in court in Lethbridge for Arthur Pavlovsky's case. I love typing as fast as my fingers will fly.
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I love paying close attention to what the lawyers say and what the judges. I really enjoy it. But I can't
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say I'm enjoying this because it's there's nothing there. It's like a fog machine. This guy came out.
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He wasn't saying anything. There was nothing to type. And so I was just left with my own
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mockery and cynical thoughts on the whole thing. I can only imagine what people who have to pay attention
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like the lawyers and the judge are thinking we heard from that former court reporter.
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Anyways, it's lunch break now. So I'll be back after lunch.
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Hi there. The trial is over for the day, but it will go on for many weeks,
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maybe even many months. It is going at a snail's pace. I have to say listening to this city bureaucrat
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testify today. It was excruciating. And I'm not just talking about his tone of voice and his vagueness
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and his evasiveness. He literally had nothing to say about Tamara Leach. The words Tamara Leach only came
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up once in the entire day when he confirmed he had never met her, spoken to her, emailed her,
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texted her. He literally knows nothing about Tamara Leach. And yet she is on trial here. He meandered
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and talked about all of his deepest thoughts, his personal feelings about the lockdown. At one point,
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he talked about going for a walk to observe things, but not to collect evidence. Well,
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why is he giving evidence on that? Lawrence Greenspan, the lawyer for Tamara Leach, the lead
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lawyer, there's three of them, cross-examined Ayotte. And I didn't understand what was the point of it.
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I mean, Ayotte really had nothing of substance to say, but what became clear to me is that Greenspan
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was proving that everything the truckers did when they came into Ottawa was approved by the Ottawa Police
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Service. Here, listen to what he said in a scrum a moment ago about how, what route they took,
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where they parked, what they did was all approved by the Ottawa Police. Take a look. You tell me if
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this is outside the scope of what you feel comfortable answering. I listened to the day's
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testimony by Kim Ayotte, and I don't know how it touches on the guilt or not guilt of the two accused.
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It sounds like he's just talking about the convoy. Help me out here. Well, I can't really help you out.
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That's the job of the Crown is to tie the evidence of this witness and the other ones that have been
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called and will be called to in support of their charges. That's, that's the Crown's job. And they've
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got to do it beyond a reasonable doubt. And the only time you heard Tamara Leach's name today was
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that he had had absolutely no contact with her. So at what point does, do you object or does the judge
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say, look, we just can't rehash the whole commission of inquiry? We've got to talk about the, the two
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accused sitting in the, in the dock. Well, it's, you know, it's, it's completely a different matter. I
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mean, what the commission was looking at is, as you know, is, uh, the propriety of imposing the, uh,
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emergency measures, uh, act. And what we're talking about here is a, uh, a trial on very specific
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charges for Tamara and, uh, for Chris. Thanks. Do you see how that's important? If the Ottawa
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police were working cooperatively with the truckers and approved everything the truckers did, how is
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that mischief? In fact, one of the most interesting things was that the Ottawa police said to the city
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bylaw officers, don't issue any tickets without our approval because we've got an agreement here.
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Look at Lawrence Greenspan say that in the scrum. Let me ask you, what does it mean when the city
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was not permitted to ticket without the approval of the police? What's the meaning of that?
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Well, it's, it's, uh, you heard, uh, Mr. Ayotte say that, uh, the city basically was under the, uh,
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direction, uh, of the Ottawa police service and that they were completely, the Ottawa police service
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was completely responsible for operations. Uh, and the, uh, and the city of Ottawa police, uh, told,
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oh, uh, a told bylaw basically, you don't ticket in the red zone unless you have our approval.
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And they didn't. What does that, what does that mean though? What, what's the political or,
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I guess that's for us to figure out. Stay tuned.
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I like Lawrence Greenspan. He's a smart lawyer and he's got patience and he's got an attention span,
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which he's going to need if this is indeed going to go on for weeks or months. But what I don't
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understand is how it could do so. Look, I understand the prosecution has an empty gas tank here. I
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understand they want to throw everything at this in the hope that something sticks. And I understand
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that they are being pushed to do so by their political masters, Justin Trudeau, the police,
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the mayors, everyone is demonized to Merrill Leach. So they have to push on with this prosecution,
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even if it has no legal basis. But does the court have to listen to it? And do the prosecutors have to
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continue on, even if they themselves come to believe that there is no reasonable prospect of
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conviction and that there really isn't any public interest in him. It's very interesting. I have to
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say this. I will not be back at this trial if this is how it goes. I'm delighted that I have colleagues
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with bigger attention spans than myself, but I simply can't bear listening to these, I'm going to
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swear here, to these bullshitters, these bureaucrats, these, these people who have nothing to say
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about Tamera Leach because they never interacted with her. I don't give a care about what Kim A
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Ott, some city bureaucrat, has to say in slow motion for hour after hour after hour, his personal
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reflections. And I heard a horn honk and I went for a walk and I saw a bouncy castle. I don't care.
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This isn't a therapy session. This isn't a dear diary. This is a criminal trial of Tamera Leach and her
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co-defendant, Chris Barber. And the two of them were barely mentioned today. I think Lawrence
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Greenspan is doing a good job by proving that what little Kim A Ott has to say proves that the
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convoy was actually lawful. So I think he's done a good job in that. But I myself don't have patience for
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80 more days of fog. And this is actually a disgrace to the prosecution. You know, in this city in recent
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weeks, there have been murders. There have been shootings. There was a shooting at a funeral in
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this town. And in this court, police sit and they wait to testify to talk about a trucker convoy that we
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all know what happened. They're sitting in here countless hours and countless days to come.
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I've seen enough to know that this is a political trial, a show trial, a sham trial. There is no
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public interest here. If Tamera Leach was not famous, this matter would have been withdrawn or stayed
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months ago. I think what happened is an out of control, maniacal prosecutor named Moise Kashimji
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put this train in motion. He scared his own bosses that they pulled him off the file and handed it to
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two slightly less maniacal prosecutors. But they're stuck with it. And I think they feel compelled to
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see it through because they're so they would lose too much face for them to pull out now. But I say this,
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I have never been as confident as I am now that Tamera Leach will be acquitted. And even watching this
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judge slowly lose her patience with the BS of these government witnesses is an amazing thing to see.
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Every person in this courtroom is getting paid, by the way. The judge, the prosecutors,
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these government bureaucrats who are testifying, every person except for Tamera Leach and her husband,
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because the process is the punishment. I think maybe that's it. Maybe the reason the prosecution is
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calling dozens of witnesses who will take months to go through is simply that this is the sentence.
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They know she'll be acquitted. They know she'll be vindicated. They know that I think it's 52 days in
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prison now or 49 days in prison that she served is punishment for a crime she did not commit. So they
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know that she's going to walk free at the end of this trial. So they're going to make the trial itself
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the punishment. Taxpayers are being punished a long way along the way. And every other justice-seeking
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Ottawa and everyone else in this city who says, can I please have some policing for a real crime,
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they are being taken advantage of too. Anyway, that's my report from here in Ottawa. Maybe I
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have too short an attention span and I should be listening rapturously when this city bureaucrat gives us
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his personal take on what it felt like to hear the horns honking. But frankly, I don't give a damn.
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Luckily, I've got colleagues who will be here to report on the rest of the trial. It's a very
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All right, I'm standing outside the Ottawa courthouse where I was in prison today. No, I wasn't
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technically in prison, but it sure felt like a prison. I had to hear some bloviating bureaucrat
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emote all day about how the horn honking made him feel. It had nothing to do with Tamera Leach's
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trial and everything to do with him expiating his frustration that the peasants came to the capital
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city and honked their horns at him. Anyways, something else more important and more interesting
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was going on in this town. I don't know about more important. It's important that Tamera Leach
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be acquitted and vindicated, which I believe will come. But in Ottawa, in Calgary, in Vancouver,
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in Edmonton, in Regina, in Hamilton, in Toronto, in Montreal, across this country,
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we had 14 reporters in seven cities following the Million Person March in support of kids and
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parental rights against this gender queer extremism that targets kids for... It's just so crazy. And
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Lincoln, you were there on Parliament Hill. I was trapped in this courtroom today, so I couldn't
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really follow it. I was retweeting your stuff. Why don't you give our viewers a couple of minutes
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of updates of what you saw? And then we'll throw to some video clips that you took. So
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why don't you just tell us, in your own words, what happened? So today we attended the One Million
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March for Children. And as you mentioned, these were marches that were happening all across Canada. So
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myself, Robert Krychek, Kian Simone, we were at the Ottawa March, okay? And I have not seen this many
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people on Parliament Hill since the Freedom Convoy, the Truckers Convoy. I also haven't seen the amount
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of police that we saw since the Freedom Convoy. Tons and tons and tons of Canadians were there to
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basically speak out, protest, demonstrate against the indoctrination and sexualization of their
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children in schools, whether it's the school curriculum, the gender ideology. They're just here to take a
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stance. And it was welcomed with many counter demonstrators who simply believe that there's
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nothing wrong with what's going on in our schools. So it was a bit of a contrast. Now, as always,
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or as usual, people who say they're against hate and against violence, well, they're often the haters
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and the violent ones. Tell us about some of the physical scuffles that happened on the Hill.
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Yeah, well, one that happened to myself and to Kian and I was, we saw Jagmeet was...
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The leader of the NDP. Yeah, Jagmeet, sorry. Jagmeet Singh, the leader of the NDP,
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was standing with the counter demonstrators. So we wanted to hopefully have a chance to speak to him.
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So we couldn't get very far. We probably stepped about five feet. Let me just explain. So the counter
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demonstrators are on one side, the demonstrators are on one side. So the police were splitting them up,
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tons of police. So we tried to step maybe five feet into the other side, I guess, where we're
00:26:16.160
not welcomed, and we were quickly stopped. Stopped by whom? So one of the counter demonstrators,
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a lady who basically just told us not to go any further, which was followed by another man who was
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very, very aggressive. I'm sure we'll be able to show some of the footage, but he got right in our face,
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asked us what the heck we were doing there, why are we there, grabbed my camera, grabbed it again,
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and tried to toss my camera down. Luckily, I had it around my neck. If I didn't have the camera on my
00:26:43.280
neck, that thing would have dropped for sure because of the amount of force that was used.
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So that's the one thing I don't understand. These people, they claim they want rights for everybody.
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They want to protect their kids, protect, quote unquote, trans kids. But it seems that the
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demonstrators are the ones that are the peaceful ones. And there's a lot more anger coming from
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the counter demonstrators. Just my observations. So you say there was a ton of cops and the two
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sides were kept apart. And that sounds good. Again, I haven't really seen it. I've been in this
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court all day. But did the police see that Antifa trans guy put hands on you and your stuff? Did the
00:27:20.880
cops see that? No, I don't think any cops saw. I'm not sure for certain, but we were kind of behind a
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bit of a crowd. So I think we were tucked away. So I don't know if they saw it. Were you hurt? No,
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we have the footage though. We have my camera angle. We have Kean's camera angle. So we have
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it all covered, right? So a couple other things to note. There was a few people detained as well
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at the protest. What were they detained for? So I don't know if they were arrested, detained,
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but they were definitely taken into police custody for a short period of time. But there seemed to be
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some sort of a feud between flags being one of the rainbow flags. I'm not sure what type of rainbow flag.
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I saw that flag get stomped on. Was that one of the things? Yes,
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which ultimately led to the flag being stomped on and it just led to a kerfuffle. And next thing you
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know, police were dragging a younger gentleman outside of the protest and they took him away.
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And ultimately, I don't know if they arrested him or what happened. I guess we might find out.
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Now, there are some colorful characters on both sides. I think on the pro-family side,
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the colorful characters, I think, for example, of the young guy, Josh Alexander.
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Maybe I shouldn't call him a colorful character because that implies that it's a checkerboard
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color. I mean, there's a principled young man who's been kicked out of his own Catholic school
00:28:36.960
for standing up against a trans ideology. He's routinely physically attacked by the other side,
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and he sort of takes it as a punching bag. And I've never seen him fight back,
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which is sort of amazing for him to go in as a kind of sacrificial lamb to prove a point.
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He's a very interesting young man. Did you see him on Parliament Hill? And if so,
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was he targeted? Maybe I'm not describing him properly. I like the guy if it's not clear.
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Tell me what happened to him if you saw anything.
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I didn't see anything happen to Josh Alexander. I don't think any altercations,
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any confrontations actually happened with Josh Alexander. But Josh is really a trailblazer in this
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whole movement. Student activist, kicked out of his high school, has had all sorts of trouble for standing up
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against the gender ideology that we're seeing being pushed in schools. So kudos to Josh. And we did
00:29:29.680
an excellent interview with Josh. Robert interviewed Josh that you'll be able to see in the full report
00:29:34.240
that we release. Okay, great. And how about other folks? For example, was Billboard Chris there? I think
00:29:39.040
Pastor Henry Hildebrandt was there. Tell me if you saw any other names from the freedom movement.
00:29:43.360
Yep. Well, so we saw Maxime Bernier was the only politician that I saw there. Now, I might be wrong
00:29:53.280
about that. There may have been other politicians. But the only politician that I saw was Maxime Bernier.
00:29:57.760
A lot of people were asking where Pierre Polyev was. A lot of people were asking that wasn't there. I
00:30:03.040
guess people are wondering where he stands on this. So we did also speak to the organizer of the protest.
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And who was that? I can't remember his name off the top of my head.
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A student, activist, a Muslim person, I understand. Was that who was? A Muslim activist?
00:30:16.480
Yes. Yes. And I believe he's been running or he's been organizing some of the movements that we're
00:30:20.880
seeing. Well, that's very interesting because in the past, Justin Trudeau has counted on the Muslim
00:30:25.680
demographic as a voting bloc. I see today Trudeau put out a tweet just calling folks transphobes and
00:30:32.960
homophobes. There was a distinct Muslim presence in many of the cities. In fact, there was a video
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clip. Maybe it was yours. I saw some Mennonites walking next to some Muslim women in hijabs in
00:30:45.040
sort of a common cause. If I was Justin Trudeau, I would be careful about calling anyone who objects
00:30:51.520
to gender ideology a transphobe, a homophobe, because I'm going to guess that that's 80,
00:30:57.120
90 percent of the Muslim community. And Trudeau is basically telling them that they're hateful.
00:31:03.200
Well, yeah, you bring up a really good point that I want to share with the viewers is that
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this protest, just like the truckers convoy, it's people from all walks of life, all flavors,
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every single type of person is here. And it's not about vaccines. It's not about anything. This is
00:31:18.000
something that a lot more people are able to jump on board with and stand behind because it's very,
00:31:22.880
very obvious that something really strange and not right is happening in our schools in Canada.
00:31:30.240
You know, the trucker convoy was two things that Trudeau is not. It was ethnically diverse
00:31:35.920
and it was working class. And I sense that this movement here, this parents movement, is ethnically
00:31:44.160
diverse. And it may be working class as well, since the fancy PhD, you need a PhD to believe
00:31:51.120
gender theory. Like there's some things that are so dumb that you have to have a PhD to believe it.
00:31:55.280
So I would imagine that there was some overlap demographically between this and the trucker
00:32:00.960
convoy. And I think it's dangerous business for Trudeau to smear it. When Trudeau starts calling
00:32:06.000
people transphobes or homophobes, you know he's sort of in his go-to panic mode, change the subject,
00:32:11.280
lash out. I don't know if it's working anymore.
00:32:13.200
No, no. And if you're on the ground here, you can really see that the names, the name calling that
00:32:21.520
Trudeau, the labeling that Trudeau, the division that Trudeau tries to create, it's not working.
00:32:28.160
We saw that today. People are very fed up with what's going on with the government and everything
00:32:33.520
that's stemming below because of the federal government, the liberal government. So a lot of
00:32:38.400
people have questions. There's not a lot of answers. And it's kind of a gray area. We don't
00:32:43.360
know if this gender ideology, the sexualization, the indoctrination is going to continue in schools,
00:32:49.600
if there's anybody that's going to be able to put a stop to this. Because right now,
00:32:53.440
it seems like it's full steam ahead. And we don't know what the future has in store.
00:32:57.680
Well, very interesting. And like I say, you were one of 14 journalists that we had deployed
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across the country, which is actually the largest project we've done since the trucker convoy. When
00:33:08.720
I, if I recall, we actually had like 19 people in the field. It is a huge national movement. It's
00:33:14.880
sometimes I call it the under news. What I mean by that is it's the news that real people talk about,
00:33:20.400
but the regime media, you know, they want to talk about global warming and they want to talk about
00:33:24.720
Ukraine and they want to talk about anything other than what real people are talking about.
00:33:29.120
It's the kind of news that percolates beneath the surface. It's the same way with the trucker convoy.
00:33:32.960
The fancy pants journalists were scared and they stayed up in their towers and they didn't dare come
00:33:38.080
down with the, you know, the ruffians. I think there's a similar, a similar thing going on now.
00:33:45.200
Let me ask you about that. Did you see any regime media by which I mean, CBC, CTV, global,
00:33:52.480
even these days, I put Post Media in their Globe and Mail, Toronto Star. Did you see any regime media?
00:33:57.120
Yep. Mainstream, mainstream media, regime media, legacy media, whatever you want to call them. They
00:34:01.840
were. Oh, you did? Yep. They were on the ground there. Yeah, they were, they were reporting on it.
00:34:07.920
They were in the streets reporting on it. Now, what's going to come out of those reports? I guess we'll
00:34:12.560
have to wait and see. We'll wait and see if there's a narrative that they're trying to push or a narrative
00:34:16.800
created, but I guess time will tell and we'll, we'll see in the days ahead what kind of perspective
00:34:21.520
they're putting on the, on the protest. Well, that's an improvement over their, uh, convoy
00:34:25.680
coverage where they just huddled under their desks and were afraid of the honking. Well, Lincoln,
00:34:29.600
great to catch up with you. Thanks very much. I'm sorry that you were physically aggressed,
00:34:33.840
uh, today, but it thankful God, it sounds like you were more shocked, uh, and surprised than hurt.
00:34:40.160
Is that right? Yeah, it's just the camera. It was just the camera and it was more of a shock
00:34:43.920
than anything because I never had my camera grabbed so aggressively. I was glad you had
00:34:48.160
the strap on around your neck, although I hope that didn't hurt. You know, the, the violence
00:34:51.520
you just suffered there is more violence than the entire truck or convoy committed in its entire
00:34:56.960
duration. The, if any side calls themselves anti-hate, that's generally code that they are
00:35:02.240
actually the haters. They're co-opting that word. Well, listen, my friend, uh, congrats on your work
00:35:07.200
here. And, um, I have a new respect for what you and Robert Krejcik have been doing every day,
00:35:11.680
covering the, the Tamara Leach trial. Uh, I love covering trials. I've done,
00:35:16.080
I've covered trials in different cities actually around the world, including in the UK. I, I love
00:35:20.320
it. I'm a former lawyer myself. I love digging in, but this is one of the most useless trials
00:35:25.920
I've ever seen in my life. The witnesses have nothing to say about Tamara Leach. They, they had
00:35:30.400
no dealings with her. They're just giving rambling, you know, therapy sessions about the convoy. I,
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I myself couldn't even stand one day of it. So I salute you guys for, for being there day after
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day, keep it up folks. Uh, um, that's the show for today on behalf of, uh, all of us here in the
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nation's capital and across the country in seven different cities to you at home. Good night