EZRA LEVANT： Inside our walking 'interview' with Greta Thunberg at the World Economic Forum
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Summary
Greta Thunberg is a young lady, a girl, really, who is the face of the climate movement. Except for the thing is, she's not actually that young anymore. I mean, listen, I wish I was just 20 like she is, but she's certainly not a teenager anymore.
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Hello, my Rebels. As you know, we cover things in a different way than the rest of the media,
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especially their heroes. We ask questions of their heroes that they don't. There's no bigger
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hero on the left than Greta Thunberg, the child actor from Sweden. And I call her a child actor
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because you will see why she's a child actor, because we spent 20 minutes walking and talking
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with her through the streets of Davos, Switzerland today, one of the most bizarre
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conversations I've ever had in my life. And I will let you see it and judge for yourself,
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All right, here is one of the strangest shows we have done in a while because it is with a very
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unusual child actress named Greta Thunberg. Here you go.
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Tonight, we walk and talk with Greta Thunberg for more than 20 minutes. It's January 20th,
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and this is the Ezra Levant Show from Davos, Switzerland.
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Greta Thunberg, you know the name. She's a young lady, a girl really, who is the face of the climate
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movement. Except for the thing is, she's not actually that young anymore. I mean, listen,
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I wish I was just 20 like she is, but she is 20. It's not a teenager anymore. It's certainly not a
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girl. Although meeting her in person today reminded me of how physically small she is. And I don't know
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if it's a medical condition or just a particular unique look, but she truly looks like someone who
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is 12 or 13. She may even be developmentally challenged. I don't know, and I'm certainly
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not casting aspersions. I'm just describing the fact that a 20-year-old woman can look like a child
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for so long. The reason that's relevant, again, it's not a personal aesthetic criticism. It's rather
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unlocking the key to her success. This 20-year-old woman who has aged out of being a child
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can come across as a young, naive child and has a very powerful resonance when a child prophet
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shall shame and name the old men who have put us in a climate crisis. Remember when she went to the
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United Nations and gave a passionate speech? How dare you? How dare you steal my dreams? Remember this?
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This is all wrong. I shouldn't be up here. I should be back in school on the other side
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of the ocean. Yet you all come to us young people for hope. How dare you? You have stolen my dreams
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my childhood with your empty words, and yet I'm one of the lucky ones. People are suffering. People are
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dying. Entire ecosystems are collapsing. We are in the beginning of a mass extinction, and all you can
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talk about is money and fairy tales of eternal economic growth. How dare you?
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That was powerful for one reason, because it sounded like a child as admonishing the grown-ups
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instead of real life, which is grown-ups typically chiding and discipling a child. Alas, Greta Thunberg
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is no child, but she still has tremendous PR value. Now, we at Rebel News have been following Greta Thunberg
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for years. For example, we scrummed her briefly when she was in New York City, and it was there that we
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discovered she actually doesn't do interactive conversations well at all. She sort of panics
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or freezes up or just goes silent. Here's a quick hit from when she was in New York City.
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Greta, Greta, Greta, how was the ride over? How was the ride over?
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We met up with Greta again when she was in Alberta passing through. We found out where she was staying
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at a hotel. We booked a room in the hotel as well, and we met her by chance, or we were lingering there,
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in the hotel office business lounge. And here's how that interaction went. It was our former reporter,
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Kian Bexty, who approached her in a very friendly way and then asked firmer and firmer questions until
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she sort of said, oh, this is an interview. I'm getting out of here. Here's Kian Bexty
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interviewing Greta Thunberg in Red Deer a few years back.
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Can I ask? I'm curious, because, you know, Calgary's an oil city. Why don't you guys go to China or Saudi
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Yeah, because right now I'm here and I've stopped flying. So to go there, that would help too. But I mean,
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I went here because I received an invitation to go here. If I received an invitation to go to China,
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So will you be disclosing your finances? Will you be telling us who is paying for your trip,
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your Tesla, and bringing you to our country in the middle of an election?
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You're paying for everything. You pay for the Tesla?
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Have you registered as a third-party advertiser coming to this country in the middle of an election
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period? It's the middle of an election. You understand that? Have you registered as a third-party advertiser?
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I'm sure she will not talk about the elections at all.
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I will not. I have never mentioned the election period.
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You understand that climate change is a pivotal policy. It is a ballot box question in this election.
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This is a ballot box question in this election, and you're rallying, you're engaging in our political discourse
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So is science going to solve it? Would you like a technical solution to climate change,
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I'd really appreciate it if you stop talking to us right now. We have a meeting.
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You're engaging in political discourse in a foreign country as a foreigner.
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Will you be disclosing your finances, and will you be registering as a third-party operative?
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Will you be registering as a third-party operative?
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The final part of our interactions with Greta was when we actually went to Stockholm, Sweden.
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And to try and find out a little bit more about Greta's past. Who was she?
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Who was organizing everything? Who was paying for everything? Who was writing those pithy tweets?
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Who was the PR machine behind her? We tried to find out, but didn't get very far.
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Here's a clip from our visit to Stockholm, which was part of our documentary called Greta Inc.
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Greta, would you be able to tell me what school are you actually striking from?
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Yes. So when you actually started your school strike, were you leaving the classroom,
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or did you have a day off from your school that you were at?
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You know that the school you go to, you have multiple days off a week.
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You don't actually have to go to class nine to five.
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Did you walk valiantly from the classroom like you've led the world to believe,
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Nice to meet you again. I remember you from Edmonton.
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Yes. I remember your Tesla. It was full of plastic.
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Oh, it was not my Tesla. I shared it with many others.
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Well, that's what you already know about Greta, our attempts to cover her briefly in cities where
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she was briefly at. Well, we're in Davos, Switzerland for the World Economic Forum,
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a get-together of billionaires and oligarchs with some of the highest carbon footprints you'll ever find.
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In fact, you'll recall we visited the private jet airport where the planes just didn't stop coming.
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And then once the planes stopped coming, the helicopters kept coming.
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Well, it's quite a thing for Greta Thunberg to go to such a high-carbon event such as Davos with all these billionaires.
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But she was here, and we heard that she was speaking at the CNBC studio.
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Ezra Levant here for Rebel News. I'm standing outside the CNBC studio, the same one where the
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vice president threatened to clock our friend Avi Amini. Of course, it's where all the VVIPs pop by
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to give their propaganda message, dutifully transcribed by the media party here.
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It is the most important person in the world, according to the World Economic Forum. It is young
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Greta Thunberg. So we'll see if we can catch a minute of the young lady's time.
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Greta, how many times did you rehearse your arrest at the German coal mine?
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How many times did you rehearse it? Because it looks staged. Is it true?
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How many times did you rehearse your arrest? Greta, how many times did you film your arrest,
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Greta, considering you've not spent much time in school, how do you know so much about climate change?
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Greta, maybe you want to talk to a real journalist. What did you do here in Davos to go to the test
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Greta, as a real journalist, is climate change as real as your arrest?
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Greta, how far are you willing to go? You're willing to break the law.
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Will you renounce violence? Will you renounce violence, Greta? Or do you support Antifa?
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You've worn an Antifa shirt before. Are you in favor of Antifa?
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Greta, how did you get here today? What was your climate footprint in traveling here?
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Will we have a Friday for future demo tomorrow here?
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Greta, how do you feel about discussing climate change with the delegates here when nearly all of them
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take private jets? Do you think at least the fact these delegates take private jets is a bad thing
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All of this could be done via Zoom. So surely, surely you should be encouraging all the delegates here,
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especially the likes of US Special Envoy John Kerry for climate, uh, Special Envoy for climate change.
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Surely you should be saying to these people, you should be doing this via Zoom with a much
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Greta, avoid my questions if climate change is a con.
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Greta, energy prices in Europe have never been higher. Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
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Are you happy that natural gas is so expensive so people can't afford it? Or do you think that's bad?
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Greta, it's getting quite cold in Davos. When can I expect some global warming?
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Are you a child actor or an expert? How would you describe yourself?
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Greta, are there any climate actions planned whilst you're here with all the other activists?
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I don't know. Sure. Yeah. I'm sure people are planning to.
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Greta, are you used to gentler questions or do you ever talk to people who disagree with you?
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Greta, who was filming your arrest in Germany? Because it looked like you did that in several
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takes, didn't you? You were posing with the police.
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He's answering for you. He's answering for you. He said you had an agency.
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Oh, sometimes I wish I had one. It would be much simpler then.
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Yeah. It's very likely that the German police and RWE Fossilfield Company would stage an arrest.
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How many times were you arrested? Because you posed for several times, didn't you?
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What is your main message to the people who are at the World Economic Forum?
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What message do you want to portray whilst you're here?
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Well, of course, it depends on who you are. Some people are more
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responsible for this crisis than others, certainly. Careful, because here there are cars.
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How come you never protest Saudi Arabia or Russia? You only protest Western energy.
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Why have you never criticized Vladimir Putin or OPEC?
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Will you do so now? Will you condemn OPEC energy?
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Greta, can you condemn every single delegate that's come here on a private jet?
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You know, I could do it, but you're the one who really,
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who has such a strong stance against climate change. And, you know, if it's true, I commend your
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efforts. But could you condemn them taking private jets to these meetings?
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Why won't you condemn private jets? Have you ever been on a private jet even once?
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Well, have you been on how about once? Have you ever been on a private jet?
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I wonder why you won't answer me in a straight answer.
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Greta, do you have any meetings with any people who are here, any politicians, any high business
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people as you're here? Depends on how you define that.
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Well, can you tell us who you're having talks to?
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Greta, do you think that in Davos, the big companies here are really interesting by climate change?
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Well, I guess all we have to do is see what they do.
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Let's get back to those private meetings. Why are you having private meetings?
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Secret meetings. Who are they having secret meetings with?
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When it comes to solving things like climate change and heading in a different direction,
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do you agree with criminal damage caused by groups such as Just Oil
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in order to get the climate message across? Do you think it is justified?
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Are they called Just Oil? That would not be a very good name for...
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Greta, this is your opportunity right here. You don't seem to be taking it very seriously.
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This is your opportunity to stop and tell us what you care about and what you're fighting against.
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You seem to be joining the establishment, not fighting them anymore.
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What, the people on the private jets and the helicopters flying in here to tell us how to live our lives?
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Yes, because I have many private jets of my own, yes.
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The point being, you have to condemn all of them equally, otherwise it's hypocrisy, right?
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I don't take anything seriously. I laugh all the time, so don't take it personally.
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Greta, where did you learn everything you know about things like climate change? Where did you learn all that?
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If you wish you knew, how do you know so much? Surely if you know so much, you would know where you learned all this from, surely?
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Well, because you are deemed as an expert worldwide when it comes to climate change. You speak on
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on global stages when it comes to climate change, and ultimately some of the things you say lead global policy.
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If that was the case, then the world would look completely different, I assure you.
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What would you like to do to make the world look completely different?
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Are you going to be eating bugs to save the planet for this lunch?
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Greta, do you make an opportunity to listen to different voices and opinions that differ from your own?
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Do you try and take challenge on board when it comes to climate?
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If you want to end fossil fuels, how did you get to Davos today?
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I mean, you laugh about this, but surely if it's such a big issue, it's surely no laughing matter.
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I mean, this is an opportunity for you to try and get people who don't agree with your message,
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to try and see it from your side of the view and to maybe change their ways, surely?
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Yeah, I wish I could tell that to myself sometimes to take things more seriously, but you know,
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I'm just a young person. I tend to laugh at most things.
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Do you regret encouraging young people to miss school?
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Are you the only one who does it, or do other people help you?
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And all your social media, do you write it, or does a PR agency write it?
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It would be much easier if I had a PR agency that would write everything, to be honest.
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I think you laugh when you're nervous, is that right?
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All people caring about what you have to say, listening to what you have to say.
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I don't know. It's a bit weird that people seem to care what I think about things so much.
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But you love it, don't you? You always put yourself out in the public.
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So you're not a private person. You love it. You're a celebrity.
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Are you a celebrity? Or a child actor? How would you describe yourself?
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It's quite something that the media are answering the questions for you. That's amazing.
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We're just joking. We're asking the same questions again and again.
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You're asking the same questions and we get bored. You know?
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Greta, who would you say is the biggest threat to climate change, whether that's one person,
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And why would you say you're the biggest threat to climate change?
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Well, to the world going in a disastrous trajectory towards the world being damaged through climate
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Where do you stand on China and their climate carbon footprint?
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Yeah, as a climate activist, of course, you love when people emit carbon dioxide.
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I mean, Greta, you're not taking this very seriously. This seems to be a big issue to you,
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unless it's just simply a job, in which case lying in your pockets with lots of money.
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Surely you'd want to actually have an adult opinion on the likes of China, surely?
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Obviously, I love it when people emit carbon dioxide.
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Every time a Western government implements a net zero policy,
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it's common folk that are suffering, especially in a cost of living crisis.
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Yeah, it's horrible that people are being affected by
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by different things, like example, the climate crisis and so on.
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People are being displaced and losing their lives. It's horrible.
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But they can't afford to eat or heat their homes
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Yeah, that's definitely why we are experiencing the cost of living crisis.
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You've had a big speech that made a proper impact.
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The global emissions of the country are still increasing.
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But is the movement not turning people off away from your cause?
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Is the movement not turning people away from your cause?
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Do you agree with all the radical tactics people are taking in in your name?
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I think the only one taking action in my name is me, I hope.
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Therefore, would you condemn people taking radical action and prefer democracy instead?
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Would you encourage people to take democratic action rather than radical action?
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Greta, can you condemn everyone who has caused criminal damage in terms of
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to try and get the point across to fight climate change?
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Russia and China are building more coal-fired power stations.
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Why should those of us in the West suffer because of net zero when they are not doing their part?
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Russia and China are building more coal-fired power stations.
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how dare you passionately and emotionally because people weren't doing it?
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For now, you don't seem to be taking it seriously.
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If you could say one thing to people who oppose you to convince them,
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If you could say one thing to people who oppose you to convince them of your argument,
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But surely if you cared about climate change that much,
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you would surely say something to try and get them to
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want to do something else about the way we are going in terms of climate change.
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Greta Thunberg walking and talking for quite a while with several rebel news journalists
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and several mainstream media journalists who sometimes even answered questions for her.
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I think the thing I was struck by, and come here.
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There's a journalist saying, we were just correcting you, dude.
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That tells you about the kind of media that are normally covering Davos.
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They're conformists, and they don't ask skeptical questions.
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But in the case of Greta Thunberg, what was so striking was, as my colleague Callum
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Smiles pointed out, this is the young woman who stood at the United Nations and said,
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But when she was asked question after question, and I mean legitimate good faith questions,
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she giggled, she laughed, and in some cases, she said absurd things like,
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And none of it made sense to me, other than my realization of who she is, where she's from,
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what her parents are like, and that she really is a child actor.
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I think we just learned everything there was to learn about Greta.
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And I'm so glad we caught it, because we were waiting about two hours in the bloody cold for that.
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Thanks to our hardy cameramen who are freezing.
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Thank you very much, Ed, for being right on the spot.
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And what a pleasure to have Calvin with us to bring another point of view.
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Calvin, a very thoughtful presenter at GB News.
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Last point, you'll remember there was an enormous crowd out front.
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And Greta was simply taking her time to come out.
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I have not seen 50 people muster for John Kerry, the former Secretary of State.
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I have not seen 50 people muster for Tony Blair, the former British PM.
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Greta is their prophet, and she has been insulated from scrutiny.
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Well, we're called Rebel News for a reason, because we ask questions that other people don't like.
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Calvin and the rest of our team, another great day at Davos.
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To see all our footage from all our different interviews and all our different scrums,
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If you think this kind of journalism that you've just watched is unique and valuable,
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We brought a crew of seven people with us from Australia, Canada, and the UK.
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We flew economy class all the way, but if you can help us cover those costs, you can do that
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And we've still got two days of action, so keep coming back.
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On our first day in Davos, I was sitting with our team in a cafeteria of a supermarket,
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And a young lady approached Avi Yamini out of the blue, saying she was inspired by
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Avi's journalism last year, so now she's become a citizen journalist this year.
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Well, you're very kind, and you've been very flattering.
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I was blown away when you came over to Avi and said that he inspired you.
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He's very entertaining, and he has a very strong point of view.
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But for you to actually fly all the way from Japan to Switzerland, that's a very long way.
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And you brought your camera gear, and you've been doing real journalism.
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That's an incredible transformation from a viewer to a journalist, isn't it?
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And I wanted to wake Japanese people up, and then I wanted to create this big circle.
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I find that so heartwarming, and you're so lovely as a person.
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So as soon as you introduced yourself, I started following you on Twitter.
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Now, I don't understand everything in Japanese, although Twitter can translate it.
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Here's a story you did talking to one of the VIP drivers that they only chauffeur the VIPs around
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in regular gas-powered cars, not in electric cars.
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All Tesla and all electricity, because here they need, they need without, you know, gas or without
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My car is normal, because for VIP, I cannot drive electricity out.
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For example, Tesla, sometimes it's like an accident or the, if there is no electricity.
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It's very dangerous because I locked out if you have some problem over the brand out.
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Well, Masako, I thought that was a very interesting video.
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And you know what, what it said, the fact that you weren't just interested in talking to the
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big shots and the VIPs, that you wanted to hear from ordinary working people too.
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See, Davos is about the elites and the billionaires and the oligarchs, but the fact that you took the time to talk to one of the many people, you know, almost like a servant or an employee.
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I was impressed by that and you made some real news.
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I realized, I started to realize like what local people think about this event.
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And actually I found a house with a sign saying that, wow, this looks like corruption.
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It's a house located on third floor and it's got a sign in English.
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So, oh, maybe local people have a different opinion.
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So I decided to approach many people and then I bumped into a driver.
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You know, just the very fact that you chose that story sets you apart from the New York
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Times and the Washington Post who are only here to massage powerful people.
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So you talk to ordinary people, which is amazing, but you actually managed to find the elusive boss
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of the World Economic Forum, Klaus Schwab, who I don't think he walks on these streets like a mere mortal.
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And I want to play this video for our viewers because it is so telling here.
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Put a question to him and then got him to make an incredible statement.
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Chairman Schwab, Chairman Schwab, I'm from Japan.
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Oh, I can just walk with you and ask questions.
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Masako, he would not answer a substantive question.
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But the way he dismissed you when you said you were independent,
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he sort of laughed and immediately turned his back on you, showed his contempt for ordinary
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people, his contempt for journalists who might ask him a question he's not prepared for.
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And that basically, he views the world as friends and enemies.
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So although you didn't actually get to put a question to him, he gave you a stunning answer.
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I was waiting outside of a hotel with Japan Night, an event that one of the popular events
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And so I was standing outside for three hours and I finally found him, encountered him.
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And one thing I learned the most from this encounter is that I could feel he is aware of our resistance.
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And the way he turned and then he was like hurrying up to his car.
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And he, I think he shut his ears and shut his mouth.
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And I felt like he wanted to go to his world from the real world.
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His world where he can keep out people like you and me.
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So actually it was encouraging me for this experience because our voices,
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like our things that we can do on our daily basis, it's influencing them.
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So although they look big, our fighting back actually means a lot.
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I tell you, your answers have been so inspirational.
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And we'll put on, on, on this website where people can follow you.
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And I would encourage everyone to follow Masako.
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And if the tweet is in Japanese, you can just click the button that says translate.
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So you can get the English translation, but you also retweet other things in English.
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And there is your original journalism on there.
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It's only been a couple of days, but I already feel like Masako is a friend and an ally.
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And most importantly, thank you for showing courage and by leaning by example.
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Well, there it is, another citizen journalist from all the way across the world.
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Traveling Home commission calls and staunched to ERP.
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That's a good or weird job from all the way across the world.