EZRA LEVANT ｜ INTERVIEW： Freedom Convoy lawyer Keith Wilson, Q.C.
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Keith Wilson QC, the lawyer for the official Truckers' Convoy, gives us an update on the status of Tamara Litch, a new lawsuit he was just served with, and how the Canadian banks did or didn't react to the order to seize bank accounts of Trudeau's enemies.
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Hello, my Rebels. Today is another special full-length interview. Today it's with Keith
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Wilson QC, the lawyer for the official trucker convoy. He'll give us an update on so many things,
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the status of Tamara Litch, a new lawsuit he was just served with, and how the Canadian banks did
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or didn't react to the order to seize bank accounts of Trudeau's enemies. It's an in-depth
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conversation I think you'll, I don't want to say enjoy, you will not enjoy it, but you'll think
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it's an important source of information. I certainly did. Let me invite you to become a
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Tonight, an in-depth interview with Keith Wilson, QC, lawyer to the trucker convoy. It's March 28th,
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and this is The Ezra Levant Show. Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon
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consumer I know? There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer. The only thing I
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have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my bloody right to do so.
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The trucker rebellion was the most important political activity in Canada, not only during
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the entire two-year pandemic and lockdown, but I put it to you that it was the greatest political
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earthquake in Canada, perhaps since the separatist referendum in Quebec almost 30 years ago. It
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certainly was the largest Canadian news story around the world. For the first time, the world's
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countries were riveted on what was happening in Canada, a blue-collar rebellion organized by no
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party, supported by no one in the establishment. It just grew and grew, inspiring millions of Canadians
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and tens of millions around the world. There were copycat trucker rebellions, convoys and caravans
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in places as far away as Australia, the Netherlands, even Israel. To this day, there's a small convoy
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in Washington, D.C., inspired by the Canadians. It had tremendous ramifications, and I believe that
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the trucker rebellion helped speed up the end of the lockdowns in many provinces when people realized
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that a giant had awakened, that popular opinion had coalesced not around a political party but
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around these truckers. Aaron O'Toole was the first acute political casualty of it, and for that I'll
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always be grateful to the truckers. The response from the incumbent establishment, however, was atrocious.
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Besides denouncing the truckers as racist and misogynist and even Nazis, Justin Trudeau trumped up
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excuses to bring in a form of law, invoking, a form of martial law, excuse me, invoking the never-before-used
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emergencies act to suspend our civil liberties and even seize bank accounts. It was shocking.
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One of the organizers of the trucker rebellion, Tamara Litch, was arrested and jailed for incitement
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to commit mischief, the most trivial of offenses being caused for jailing really political prisoners
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and seizing their bank accounts. Absolutely atrocious. The legal response by the truckers
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and their supporters has not met with success. It's as if the courts, unlike in other countries,
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ranging from New Zealand and the United States and Spain, where the courts have struck down the excesses
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of lockdownism, there has yet to be a court ruling in Canada that in any substantial way rebukes the
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governments, slows them down, and stands up for civil rights. It's been terrible. One of the lawyers
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who has been representing the truckers, not only individual truckers, but the non-profit
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corporation set up for the truckers, as well as representing Brian Peckford, the former Newfoundland
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Labrador premier who's fighting against the lockdowns, who works for a great many of the
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interests of the truckers, is Keith Wilson, QC, that stands for Queen Counsel, a senior lawyer. I actually
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know Keith from law school way back in the day at the University of Alberta. He's supported by the
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Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms, and he's been battling the battle for the truckers
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for well over a month, and I'm delighted to spend some time with him today as he joins us via Skype
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from Edmonton. Keith, I hope I did you justice in my introduction and got it accurate. I think the
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...of the force, very important, and you are their legal eagle. Give us an update. What's the latest on
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the truckers and the law? Well, in the last half hour, I just was served by the legal counsel for
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the Attorney General of Ontario with a legal notice where the Ontario government is seeking to seize and
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convert for its own use approximately $1.3 million in donations that Canadians made for the benefit of
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the truckers and their freedom movement. So that's the most immediate recent event. Yesterday's events were
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that the Ottawa police have expanded the number of charges against Tamara Leach and Chris Barber from
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counselling mischief to now counselling intimidation and counselling obstruction of police.
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So that's the most recent as of the last 20 hours.
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Is Tamara Leach in custody right now? Is Chris Barber in custody right now?
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No, neither of them are in custody. Chris was released after one day. Tamara was held as...
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There's only one way to describe this and be accurate. She was a political prisoner.
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She was a political prisoner for 19 days. And with the criminal counsel team, we have a number of
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teams of lawyers with the Justice Center and external counsel. As you know, Ezra, I'm an independent
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boutique litigator, have my own law firm, Wilson Law Office, but I'm on contract to the Justice Center
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for Constitutional Freedoms. And so, yeah, with some of the criminal lawyer team that we have,
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we were able to do a bail review and get Tamara out after having spent 19 days in jail. However,
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if you read the bail conditions that she's under, it would make Vladimir Putin proud.
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What I mean by that is her bail conditions prevent her from things that on their surface may not seem
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so dramatic, but she's not allowed to use social media in any kind of way, despite the fact that
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she's a mother and a grandmother. So she can't use Facebook with her grandkids and so on.
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She can't, but it keeps going. And it says she cannot do anything to publicly advocate against COVID-19
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policies and restrictions, and she cannot do anything to promote or support freedom truckers
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and freedom. So if she does those things, she's supposed to go back to jail. So Volani, the Putin's
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chief critic who's in jail, was able a couple of weeks ago to call on Russians from jail to protest in
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the streets of the war in Ukraine. He was able to give lists of oligarchs to foreign governments.
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But Tamara Litch has been transferred from a cement jail cell to a virtual jail cell where she's
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completely muzzled and is completely inappropriate. Yesterday, we announced that we had initiated the
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legal teams with the funding support of the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms. We launched a
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formal appeal and review of those bail conditions in an effort to get this gag order lifted.
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You know what? I'm shocked, but I'm no longer surprised to hear of political gag orders like that.
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The Democracy Fund assists Arthur Pawlowski, a strong-willed Christian pastor in Calgary.
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And a judge named Adam Germain put similar conditions on him a few months ago, including that any time
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Pastor Arthur would give a sermon, make a Facebook post, do a media interview criticizing COVID policies,
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he immediately had to then take out this little card written by the judge and basically read a
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self-denunciation and the judge's point of view. Like, that's pure Soviet, Maoist, Orwellian,
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you know, crime thing. If you have the wrong thoughts, you have to renounce them. That has been
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temporarily stated in Alberta, but it sounds like that's the status quo for Tamara Litch. Now, does that apply
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nationwide? I understand she lives in Medicine Hat, Alberta. I presume she's home by now.
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So even in Medicine Hat, she's bound by some Ottawa judge, I presume, saying she can't. Correct.
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So she can't say anything in Medicine Hat to criticize COVID policy just at all. That's somehow now,
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if she does, she's going back to jail. Correct.
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I find that. It's unbelievable. And it's, you know, it's one of the
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more high-profile volunteers who went to Ottawa to help with the trucker protest is,
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and he's been on a number of programs, and you should definitely interview him if you get a chance.
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He's an amazing human being and an amazing Canadian. His name's Tom Marazzo, and he's a
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former captain in the Canadian Armed Forces. And he went there once he saw, because he,
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in his more recent career, he was a teacher at a community college, and he ended up losing his job
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because he exercised his choice of bodily autonomy, and informed consent and decided not to get
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vaccinated. So here he is, lost his job, he goes there to help. And he was instrumental,
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given his military background, and he was one of his jobs that he took was to make sure that the
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emergency lanes were always open, despite the media's characterization of a blockade. There was
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always free movement, except in downtown Ottawa, as you would have saw when you were there, except
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for the police were blocking the roads. But he was one of the people who had his bank account frozen.
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And he pointed out his crime was a thought crime. That was it. He was thinking the wrong thoughts,
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according to this government, and therefore they punished him without any due process or substantive
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evidence froze his bank accounts. And potentially, you know, for a period of time there put his life
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in a very serious situation. His wife couldn't pay for daycare, they couldn't pay the dentist.
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Others couldn't get prescriptions filled, couldn't put gas in the car. So we're in a very strange,
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dark time in our country, where the rule of law is out the window. The charter is completely ignored.
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The most powerful, oppressive statutory tool of the Emergencies Act, the successors to the War
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Measures Act is used on a whim. And we really got to fight back.
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Keith, you mentioned this man who not only had his bank account frozen, but obviously,
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a lot of married people have a joint bank account with their families that they pay everything from
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rent to groceries to, as you mentioned, dental appointments. You mentioned Tomarazzo in particular,
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and I'm sure you know other people who've had their bank accounts seized or frozen.
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Have they been unfrozen? If any money is being seized, has it been returned to them?
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The all the people that I've been doing work for who have had their bank accounts frozen,
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have had the accounts unfrozen. And with the exception of donated funds,
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none of them have had their money seized. Now, I tell you, it's atrocious that the government of
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Ontario wants to take money donated in good faith by ordinary Canadians for the truckers. And it was
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surely donated for their peaceful political protest. You know, if there were, if there were parking
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tickets or if there was anything worse, which I don't think there was much worse. There was,
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there was no violence certainly anywhere. And you know, despite these new charges of quote,
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counseling that you say, Chris Barber and Tamir Lich have, you know, it seems like an awfully big
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stretch to seize donations from thousands and thousands of ordinary people, 20 bucks, 50 bucks,
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100 bucks that were obviously meant for peaceful protest. And to, to basically try and, you know,
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know, expropriate that money as a, it's a, it's a, it's a patent political collective punishment to me.
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That's, I mean, that's what I would say. How does the Ontario government justify it?
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Well, and it's not just a punishment. It's intimidating. It's intimidation, right? Like they're
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trying to, you know, it's, we're not allowed to have a view contrary to the government narrative.
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That appears to be the thing, um, which is just something that should send a shiver up every
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Canadian spine that they could do this. And you even remember when it first came out, uh, Freeland,
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the deputy prime minister, finance minister said, you know, she was giddy about how they were going
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to use this power, uh, against Canadians and how she talked about how they were going to
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looking at making it permanent. The same time, the then acting police chief of Ottawa was saying
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in his press conferences, look it up. You'll see it that, you know, the zeal with which he was
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announcing that we're continuing to investigate and we're going to go after the donors next.
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And, you know, if you contribute in any way to this illegal blockade, blah, blah, blah.
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If the protesters at this point, uh, you know, uh, retreat and go home, uh, are they going to be
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getting sort of repercussions down the road? Are you going to be sort of actively pursuing
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the people that you've been sort of documenting and filming who are still out there protesting?
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What are your plans after this, uh, after the protest is over?
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Thank you. It's a great question. And the simple answer is yes. If you are involved in this protest,
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we will actively look to identify you and follow up with financial sanctions and criminal charges.
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Absolutely. This investigation will go on for months to come. It has many, many different streams,
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both from a federal, uh, financial level, from a provincial licensing level, from a criminal code
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level, from a municipal breach of court order, breach of court injunction level. It will be a
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complicated and time consuming, um, investigation that will go on for a period of time. You have my
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commitment that that investigation will continue and we will hold people accountable for taking our
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streets over. Just we've clearly, I don't know what more example someone needs of the fact that Canada
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has slipped into authority, an authoritarian state. And, uh, uh, yeah, I, I think it's very troubling.
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And, uh, the speed with which Trudeau and Freeland in particular have pivoted from invoking a form of
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martial law and seizing the bank accounts of political opponents in Canada to then pointing at Russia and
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criticizing Putin for the same thing is quite, quite astonishing. Um, let me ask you, how have the
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banks been to deal with on the one hand, you know, banks are heavily regulated. They're almost in some
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ways, uh, quasi crown agencies. I mean, they're, they're so regulated and they have certain special
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privileges. I can understand why a bank would be compliant if there was an order, but I suppose a
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bank could also lawyer up and, and object and say that this is contrary to, um, privacy laws, contrary
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to the rule of law, um, contrary to the reputation that forms so much of a bank's, uh, credits. Like
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you have to believe that the bank won't seize your money, that the bank won't fail, that the bank won't
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hand your money to Trudeau. Have you seen what, or let me ask this, have you had any interactions with
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the banks themselves and have they expressed any reluctance or any resistance or any opposition to
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this, or are they gleeful participants? Okay. So I've been directly involved. Um, let me just step back and
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illuminate some things here that you'll find both interesting and alarming. Um, when the financial
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measures order under the emergency act came out, it placed banks, any financial institution
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and not just them, but anybody that engages in securities such as RBC, Dominion securities,
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or someone else that holds your RRSPs and your stocks, insurance companies and others,
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it placed them under a positive legal obligation to go through their membership list or their,
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their customer list and see if anybody who was a designated person was on this list that the
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government created was in there. And if a designated person was a customer of TD bank or Scotiabank or a
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credit union, they bank became under a positive legal duty to, um, um, no longer provide financial services.
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So no bank account, no credit card, no mortgage, no line of credit, et cetera. Okay.
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So, well, how does one become a designated person? Um, I received the list.
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It's over a hundred pages long and it has the evidence. All of my clients appear in the first 20 pages
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and it has on the left-hand side as the OPP and the RCMP logos all over it. And I, this police officer
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investigated this and here's what I found. And I believe these people are all designated persons.
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And it has a little picture, thumbnail picture on the left and their date of birth and their personal
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information, their address description about who they are, what they do in any remarkable comments,
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which were really weird, the comments they picked, but anyway, and then you get to the last page of
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part one and it has the evidence, evidentiary source. Okay. So where did they gather this evidence from
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to conclude that these people were so serious of a threat to Canada's national security that they had
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to invoke the war measures, the equivalent of the war measures act? What, what, what evidence
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investigative activity do they gather? I kid you not. It says source CTV news, who's who in the
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freedom convoy. And it has the hyper. Oh my God. So this, this police investigator
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didn't even have to put his donut down, sat at his desk, went click, click, click, cut, paste. Okay.
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So the fact that some reporter or somebody at CTV news saw you on a stage, uh, at the freedom
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protest, or saw you talking to a trucker or saw you in a news conference that they put on
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was enough for you to appear in that list and enough to have your finances frozen.
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Well, you know, senior representative on that. I spoke on that trucker stage. I don't know
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if you recall, I got up there and gave like a three minute, uh, salutation. Uh, I guess I'm
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like, um, CTV's hit list or I myself would have had my bank account frozen.
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Isn't it remarkable? Like I'm, uh, Ezra, I'm happy to share with you, uh, in confidence,
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the document, so you can verify what I've just said and you'll be blown away because there's other
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aspects. I would very much like to see that. Is that, um, uh, am I able to publish that? Or is
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that, does that come with some, uh, limits to its publication? Cause that, I mean, I wouldn't
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want to embarrass the, the, the people on that, uh, document. Yeah, that's my concern.
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Yeah, no, I'm, I'm happy to share it, but I don't want to share it in a way that
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can be led to some left wing nut bar Antifa's doxing my clients, if you know what I mean.
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If you send me that, I promise not to reveal the identities of anyone on there, but to, if I,
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I will obscure the identity, I will show the absurdness of the document as if it's as you
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describe it, which I'm sure it is. That's shocking to me. Um, so basically some cop reads a CTV story
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and puts all those names on a list. And then before you know it, banks are, are seizing their
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bank accounts. It's just shocking to me. And what does it mean to not provide a financial
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service for a mortgage? Does that mean they call in the mortgage? Like, what does that even mean?
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So suddenly you pay the mortgage. Yeah. And not only that, which was interesting. If you read again,
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read the, uh, the economic measures proclamation that was issued by the cabinet when they issued
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the emergency declaration under the emergencies app, and you will see that it also extends to
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insurance companies. I, I did see that. Are we aware of anyone who's had, I mean, does that apply
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to like life insurance or? Well, that's a good question. And in our legal team, we said that,
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does this mean they can cancel your life insurance policy? So I think what happened there was unlike
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the banks that said, okay, sure. Trudeau, we'll go help you. Uh, we'll be your financial goons
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against Canadians to help save you and your political power. I, I, I got to think the insurance
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company said, we can't do this. Uh, cause they didn't, I have no, no instance where they did that.
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So even though if you read it, you will see with crystal clarity that it's there now, hang on.
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So the bankers were asked to testify before the house of commons, uh, committee on finance,
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and they were asked to testify before the house of commons committee on, uh, public safety and
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something related to that. I forget it's fancy full name, but anybody can go and go online, go to these,
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these, uh, committee meetings were to, were recorded. There's transcripts and you can see
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what I'm saying. The senior representative for the Canadian bankers association testify
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that if, cause one of the questions from one of the MPs is what long lasting effects,
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cause they confirmed that they had at that point lifted all the freezes at what long lasting effect.
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Um, and the banker confirmed that these customers would be marked for life. Yeah.
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Well, that's, that was their testimony, not mine. So, you know, we've really,
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we've really transitioned into a free, from a free country into one of authoritarianism where you can be
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ruined at the whim of the political masters and through their agents.
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Now I remember reviewing that emergency, uh, order and it applied to
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foreign banks that were registered to do business in Canada too. So for example, a lot of big American
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banks, um, are you aware that any American banks follow this? Cause I, uh, I gotta believe
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that if you're an American bank, um, and you're told to freeze the account of
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an American trucker who drives up from the States, you're thinking, well, do I follow the banana republic
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edict of, uh, Justin Trudeau and comply with his emergency law, but put myself at odds with American
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laws, not just privacy and other banking laws, but the first amendment, cause this so clearly
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violates political freedom and free speech. I, I have no, I have not seen evidence that any American
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bank complied and I'm really glad of that, but maybe they did. Are you aware of anything like that?
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I'm not, uh, that's a good question. Um, I'm not aware either way. So I don't know whether they refused
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to comply or whether they did comply, but here's what I do know. When this was happening and the
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freezes were occurring and the police chief was talking about going after the donors, uh, people who
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donated, keep in mind, that's what were 133,000 Canadians donated. And the average donation to give
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send go that hit as much as 12.7 million, 12.7 million dollars in donations. The average donation
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was $75. So what happened was, and this was confirmed last week by the president of the
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Canadian credit union association and testimony and finance committee, sorry, it was earlier this week,
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uh, uh, that that was confirmed, uh, that there was a run on the banks. People got concerned that
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if they'd made a donation, that their accounts would be frozen. I even sent my wife down to the
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bank and said, Hey, go take out some money. Like we're going to have to live if they freeze our
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accounts. So we, she took a bunch of cash out and, um, uh, and she said, there was a big lineup and
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there was lots of people leaving with, with, with bags, um, in the testimony to the, to the house
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committee this week, the, uh, her name's Martha, uh, burden, uh, D U R D I N president, CEO of the
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credit unions. She said that their members experienced a cash run with many customers taking out tens of
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thousands or hundreds of thousands. And in some instances, millions, that was her testimony.
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If you research, there's a, I saw a tweet where there's an actual site that monitors cash flow in
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and out of banks and you look at it, it's spiked. So what happened was there was a run on the banks
00:28:30.560
because Canadians got concerned that because they donated $10 or $20 or a hundred dollars that their
00:28:37.200
accounts were going to be frozen. The other thing that I'm told and have good information on is that
00:28:42.640
many people opened up alternative bank accounts. Right. So what started to happen was I, I'm hoping
00:28:49.920
the banks sort of went, Oh, wait a minute. Maybe we, we, uh, overreacted here because they've really
00:28:56.720
damaged their brand. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Here we thought a bank would be there to protect me,
00:29:01.280
the customer, and that's not what they did. Yeah. Keith, I want to ask you a question about who
00:29:07.040
whose bank accounts were seized. You mentioned the case of an organizer or activist, Tom Marazzo,
00:29:12.480
and of course we know Tamera Litch and some others. Those were people like you say that CTV
00:29:19.040
did a story about. So they would have been on location. They would have been truckers or trucker
00:29:23.520
organizers. Were any people who were just donors, are you aware of any of them having their bank
00:29:30.560
accounts seized or was it just the activists? Like did any, any givers or gift givers, were they seized either?
00:29:36.000
From what I've been able to ascertain and the information that comes across
00:29:41.440
my inbox and those that I interact with, um, on the ground and the various legal teams we have
00:29:47.840
working. No, I have not seen an instance where someone donated money. And just because of that,
00:29:56.560
their bank account was frozen. So if there was some, uh, retired veteran in Lethbridge,
00:30:02.320
Alberta that donated $25. I have not seen that type of a person had, uh, their bank account,
00:30:09.920
um, uh, frozen, but you know, there's nothing to stop them from doing that. That's what's so
00:30:18.000
disturbing. This is disturbing on so many levels. The, the order was, um, rescinded when Trudeau saw that
00:30:25.520
it might not make it through the Senate. But as you say, Chrystia Freeland had said some of the powers
00:30:30.960
that they exercised during that state of emergency, they would like to make them permanent, ongoing.
00:30:36.160
Um, is it, um, is it possible for this seizing or freezing to happen right now? As far as you're
00:30:44.240
aware, could, could we ever see a case where a cop reads this, reads a media story, tells a bank to
00:30:51.520
seize the money and it happens without a legal process, without a hearing, without like, is that
00:30:58.080
a live legal possibility right now? Yes. Yes. How? Yes. Under, um, well, I just got, I, you know,
00:31:08.400
we opened, uh, the interview by you asking me for the most recent, and I've informed you that over an
00:31:15.280
hour ago, I just got served with a civil forfeiture notification from the attorney general of Ontario
00:31:21.600
under the criminal code, where they're treating, uh, donations and money as proceeds of crime and
00:31:30.880
alleging, uh, that they were used for illegal activity. So they have, the government's demonstrated
00:31:38.480
that they will use their broad powers under various tools and use mere allegation as a means of
00:31:48.480
seizing bank accounts and monies. Now, I remember when first there was GoFundMe and they were pressured
00:31:57.200
into re, uh, reneging and canceling. First, they wanted to give it to recipients of their choice,
00:32:04.640
but then under pressure from Americans, really, they just refunded the donations. So then the truckers
00:32:10.800
went to Give, Send, Go, which is a smaller, uh, crowd funder. I don't think they were quite as
00:32:16.560
established. I don't think they were, well, I mean, in one way I know that they were not as secure
00:32:22.480
because a hacker hacked the donation. Listen, I want to play you a clip from one of the most terrifying
00:32:28.960
people I've ever seen, a self-described hacker who in his videos shows compelling proof that it really
00:32:36.560
was him who hacked it. Not just that he claimed, uh, responsibility for it, but he shows, um, some
00:32:44.000
screenshots that suggest he really did do it. Take a look at this Canadian hacker who says he hacked
00:32:50.400
it with the green light of Canadian law. Take a look.
00:33:08.160
Yes, I doxed the truckers. I did it. It was me. I hacked Give, Send, Go, baby. And I'd do it again.
00:33:15.200
I do it a hundred times. I did it. I did it. Come at me. What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do to me? Huh?
00:33:30.800
I hacked Epic Hosting. I hacked Barler. I hacked Gab. I hacked Truth Social. I hacked Go, Give, Send, Go. I don't care.
00:33:50.800
I am. You can literally put my name into the news tab on Google and you can find everything I've done.
00:34:05.280
I am literally in every mainstream media publication for the things that I do.
00:34:10.800
I'm not an unknown actor. I'm literally a famous fucking cyber terrorist. And you think that you can scare me?
00:34:31.840
See, they always default to the pedophile accusations. They always default to that because they have nothing else.
00:34:37.760
It's actually some projection. That guy, I want to see his browser history. That guy loves little girls.
00:34:42.880
I have hunted pedophiles. I've outed pedophile rings online. I have gotten pedophiles arrested
00:34:58.960
There isn't proof of shit, you fucking lying little cunt.
00:35:02.240
I want to die. I'm gonna restart this live. Come back.
00:35:13.520
Keith, I've never seen such a bone chilling moment. Not that I haven't seen madness or evil before.
00:35:23.760
is not that he hacked something. There's always hackers. There's always criminals.
00:35:28.240
But that he said he has done this with the approval, if not the direction of Canadian authorities.
00:35:35.280
And the timing of this hack was perfect. It coincided with the emergencies act.
00:35:42.880
It coincided with the media calling everyone on the list.
00:35:47.520
It's like the way this list was hacked, then published, made public and handed to the media for
00:35:54.960
their direct political action. I've never seen such an operation like that.
00:36:00.000
And to see this madman who claimed who claimed credibly that he did it and then claimed I don't
00:36:07.200
know how credibly that he was given permission by the cops and he has not yet been arrested for this.
00:36:17.520
Well, and his identity is well known. So it's not like they don't know who it is.
00:36:25.040
Ezra, we had when I was on the ground with the team of lawyers and working directly with the
00:36:30.000
volunteers and the organizers and, you know, the freedom fighters, truckers, the instances that we
00:36:37.840
experienced where there was collaboration to the point of collusion as between the media,
00:36:45.040
the government, the police and other players was astounding. I can just give you a couple of really quick
00:36:53.040
examples. So, um, it was, it was information that the city of Ottawa and the Ottawa city police gave to
00:37:04.800
GoFundMe that caused them to pull the pin on the $10 million of donations that GoFundMe had received
00:37:13.440
and to announce that they were going to give it to some other group. And we all knew that that meant
00:37:17.680
Antifa or BLM or something. Um, and the, the, the evidence that GoFundMe received was from the media
00:37:31.120
and the police repeating media stories and the media repeating police talking about media stories.
00:37:37.440
At that same time, as so there was one Friday, it was, uh, just let me look at my calendar here real
00:37:45.760
quick to get my head back to this, but it was, uh, the one, the Friday, when they announced that they
00:37:50.800
were pulling the GoFundMe, the whole series of orchestrated events occurred. And it was, uh, Friday,
00:37:57.120
the 4th, February 4th. And here's what happened. So first the police chief called the press conference at
00:38:03.280
about two o'clock and he announced that they had tripled the number, significantly increased the
00:38:09.040
number of, of police on the ground, that they were going to change their tactics that they'd been using
00:38:14.880
physical and electronic, uh, intelligence and collaboration with CSIS, other intelligence
00:38:21.440
agencies, the intelligence branches of the OPP, the RCMP and their own police force. And he talked in
00:38:27.600
very aggressive language. I think you even covered it at the time about how there was going to be this
00:38:32.000
huge crackdown and it wasn't sounding good. He was angry and it was not the type of language you would
00:38:38.560
expect from a police official in Canada. It's what you would expect in a, in a, in a, in a tin pot
00:38:43.920
dictatorship. Um, I came from one hotel meeting to another. And when I went in the, the, the difference
00:38:51.520
in police presence on the ground from when I went into that meeting and came out was unbelievable.
00:38:56.320
We knew something was looked like it was about to happen. Then within the hour, uh, go fund me,
00:39:03.600
even though we had been in direct discussions and correspondence with their lawyers and their
00:39:08.000
most senior executives the day prior, showing them that this was a completely legitimate charity,
00:39:13.680
charity, all of the proper banking and other corporate law arrangements were fully in place.
00:39:18.960
Everything was subject to audit due process. And we had an accountant working on things as well
00:39:23.680
as five lawyers. Um, they announced not to us, but to the world that they were canceling
00:39:30.320
the donation platform for the freedom truckers and going to divert the monies to a third party.
00:39:36.080
And then within the next hour, I was served with a $10 million class action lawsuit from a personal
00:39:43.600
injury lawyer. Um, and it was based on information and made references to work in collaboration with
00:39:52.560
the police. And within that class action lawsuit, legal service documents, I was served with an
00:39:59.360
emergency injunction application, which was going to be heard the next day, Saturday at one o'clock.
00:40:05.760
And you know how hard it is to get those. And when I went to defend that injunction application,
00:40:11.840
the next day, uh, the lawyer made application or indicated that the, the lawyer for the police
00:40:19.760
wanted to participate in the hearing, even though they weren't a party because they'd been heavily
00:40:24.080
involved and they'd been collaborating with the police on how this injunction was going to be
00:40:27.920
enforced. So that's just one little snippet. And, uh, it happened throughout the 19 days that I was on
00:40:34.320
the ground and it continues to happen to this day with this order that I was just served with or this
00:40:38.640
noise of application. I just served within the last couple of hours. So what you've just described
00:40:43.600
there was the media, the police, private lawyers of fortune, and even the courts agreeing to a rare
00:40:55.840
emergency Saturday hearing, all in collusion that, you know what I, that really is terrifying. I really do
00:41:05.520
feel I've used this analogy before, like a net. The great thing about a net when you're using a net
00:41:12.240
for fishing or whatever is if one knot in the net breaks, that's fine. All the rest of the knots hold
00:41:17.280
and then the net does what it does. You can even have a few, maybe even half the net at knots in the
00:41:23.520
net. But if all of the knots break at once, all of the checks and balances in society, if they all fail
00:41:30.480
at the same time, if the lawyers and the judges and the police and the media, and I don't know,
00:41:37.360
the College of Physicians and Surgeons and the banks and the bank regulators and, and, and, and,
00:41:43.600
if the entire establishment, if all those knots break at the same time, then, then everything breaks,
00:41:50.960
the whole system breaks. And it truly becomes a tyranny. And you have cops. I remember that,
00:41:57.840
that police chief's bellicose statement. I've never seen a policeman talk like that before.
00:42:04.320
And, and to see Trudeau demonize people and, and the lust that they had, I mean, that truly was a
00:42:13.200
flicker of a banana republic. I won't say that Canada is unfree, but I'll say that we're only partly free.
00:42:20.640
And that that's very sad to me. Well, I'd say that we're definitely only partly free. And I would say
00:42:27.680
that our, our freedoms are evaporating before our eyes with these authoritarian activities. I mean,
00:42:35.600
the number of instances I witnessed of government overreach was remarkable. Can I give you another
00:42:42.240
example? Yes, of course. So when the prime minister announced the emergencies act, you know,
00:42:50.160
the war measures act that the previous instances of it being instigated were things like world wars and
00:43:00.080
the FLQ crisis, where there were bombings and kidnappings of elected officials and terrible
00:43:07.360
activities occurring. And of course, you know, you know, did the truckers air and go too far in
00:43:14.400
bringing jumpy castles. Maybe that was the, you know, or was it the hot tubs or was it the spontaneous
00:43:20.560
road hockey games? Or maybe it was the Quebecer with the Quebec flag draped over him, like a cape,
00:43:28.960
hugging the Albertan with an Alberta head, a flag. Maybe that was the threat. I don't know. I've never
00:43:35.280
seen such unity in Canadian pride, but the, um, the actual proclamation has wording in it that says
00:43:47.200
that nothing in the emergency proclamation makes unlawful public assembly for political dissent,
00:43:57.120
advocacy, um, and some other term that's not off the tip of my tongue, but then the actual
00:44:06.960
order itself, and just bear with me for a second here, this will become clear says
00:44:13.920
describes who was not allowed to go to downtown Ottawa describes who was this just before they
00:44:19.520
started beating up Canadians and arresting them describes who was not allowed to be there. Okay.
00:44:26.880
If you don't meet the criteria, I'm about to describe the order said the emergency order
00:44:32.560
from the federal government said that you were allowed to be there. And where I'm going with this
00:44:37.840
is what the police were saying publicly and the politicians is not what the actual legal order said.
00:44:43.760
The writers of this knew they couldn't do what the politicians were saying and they didn't put it
00:44:48.560
into law. So here's what it says. It says, you can't go to downtown Ottawa and engage in a public assembly.
00:44:53.840
And if you do your, it's an illegal assembly. If you're going to cause a serious disruption,
00:45:01.760
there's three things, a serious disruption of the movement of persons or goods or a serious
00:45:05.600
interference with trade. So if you're going to interfere with trade and those things,
00:45:09.520
you can't go to downtown Ottawa. And if you do, it's an illegal, an illegal protest. Well,
00:45:14.000
no one was doing that in downtown Ottawa. You can't interfere with the functioning of
00:45:18.160
critical infrastructure. No one was doing that. And thirdly, get this, the, uh, the support of the
00:45:25.280
threat or the use of acts of serious violence against persons or property support threat or
00:45:32.000
use of acts of serious violence against persons or property. So if you're going there to engage
00:45:37.440
at all, why, why did they put the word serious in there? So minor acts of violence are okay. Like,
00:45:42.800
anyhow, the important point is, is that in order for the assembly to be unlawful, you had to be
00:45:48.160
interfering with trade, interfering with infrastructure or engaging in, in violence
00:45:51.600
against people or person. If you were not doing any of those things, you were allowed to be in
00:45:56.400
downtown Ottawa and what you were doing was not illegal. So when the interim police chief, the second
00:46:02.080
one announced the crack in and said that everybody who goes into downtown Ottawa will be participating in
00:46:08.640
a legal protest. Me and five other lawyers that examined this and all the other emergency orders
00:46:14.080
that were in place at the time. And the injunction said that's not at legally accurate. Uh, Canadians
00:46:19.760
still have the right of assembly. The preamble to the order even says they still have the right of
00:46:23.440
assembly and, and in political dissent. Um, so, and then they created this red zone and they put up a
00:46:31.440
hundred, um, blockades or, or into downtown so that Canadians couldn't flood into downtown to,
00:46:38.080
to, to support the truckers. Um, uh, that was on the Thursday, Friday, uh, as the, at, in the end
00:46:45.600
where they got, where the government got violent. And so we issued a cease and desist letter to the
00:46:51.360
police chief, the interim police chief pointing out that he needed to get immediate legal advice,
00:46:55.280
that his public statements were inaccurate, that the emergency order was absolutely clear that
00:47:00.720
Canadians had the right to continue to go downtown. The truckers continued to have the right to be
00:47:06.080
there. And the only instance they didn't is if they were going to breach one of these three things,
00:47:10.960
which nobody was planning on doing, but it didn't matter. So we've entered a realm where,
00:47:17.840
you know, the rule of law seems to be out the window, the rhetoric of politicians and government
00:47:22.880
officials prevails, and a whole bunch of Canadians got beat up and assaulted by police officers.
00:47:28.880
Um, while they were in full compliance with their charter rights and not even in breach of the
00:47:36.000
emergency order. Yeah. One of those people who was beat up was our own reporter, Alexa Lavois,
00:47:41.680
who was actually shot in the leg. Uh, and I think, uh, I mean, we're suing, um, the RCMP and the Ottawa
00:47:49.520
police over that, but, uh, based on what you've described to me today, I should expect that the judges,
00:47:55.280
uh, will defeat and dismiss our lawsuit, uh, because it, it has not escaped my notice that in
00:48:04.400
two years of the pandemic and the lockdown, I cannot point to a single, uh, important or substantive,
00:48:14.400
uh, legal case in any jurisdiction that has in any way limited the scope of government. There was one
00:48:20.960
family law case in Ontario that had some nice things to say about people who were vaccine
00:48:26.800
hesitant, but that, you know, was a lower court case dealing with one particular family going
00:48:35.760
through a divorce. Um, I haven't seen any lockdown, any gag order, any health order, the curfew in Quebec,
00:48:46.720
the no-fly zone, the, the quarantine hotels. I haven't seen a single important element of the
00:48:54.640
authoritarianism stopped by a court. Am I missing something? Have you seen a court win out there
00:48:59.920
at all? Uh, there is the one in Ontario you mentioned, and there are some from the U S and some
00:49:06.640
Oh, the U S has shut down and New Zealand and Spain. Oh yeah. Oh, other countries. Sure. But I'm in
00:49:14.320
Canada. I haven't seen the single court, uh, act as a check and balance. That's a pretty big knot
00:49:18.800
in the net to fail. Well, and I agree, but I haven't given up. You know me well enough to know
00:49:27.360
that I don't do that very well. And I really hope for your, for your case with Brian Peckford,
00:49:31.920
the, uh, the no-fly zone case, it's a wonderful lawsuit. And I think you've got a real chance there,
00:49:36.480
but I'm just saying so far, our judges may as well have been on vacation.
00:49:40.560
Well, the charter certainly doesn't seem to be worth anything either. Does it?
00:49:45.040
Yeah. And that's very distressing. I mean, uh, I, I, I, I made a joke that, uh, that I was going to
00:49:51.600
sue my law school, I guess our old law school, because when I took constitutional law, they,
00:49:57.920
they, they misled me into believing that it was a substantive document of rights that meant something.
00:50:03.920
And clearly they were wrong. I'm being sarcastic in a cynical way, but, um, it's important that we
00:50:12.880
continue to fight for civil liberties and freedoms, obviously, and that we continue to do it in every
00:50:19.120
lawful and respectful and peaceful forum that we have. And one of those is the courts. I'm really
00:50:26.400
pleased with the legal team that I'm working with at the justice center for constitutional freedoms.
00:50:30.800
We have phenomenal medical experts. We have Dr. McCullough, Dr. Bridle that have prepared
00:50:36.560
incredible, uh, uh, expert medical reports in support of challenging the rationale for saying
00:50:43.680
that unvaccinated people can't fly in Canada and can't leave the country. You're a Canadian and you're
00:50:51.280
trapped in your own country. There's no other country in the world that is restricting its citizens
00:50:59.120
from getting on airplanes due to vaccination status, let alone the country with the second largest land
00:51:05.520
nets. Yeah. Yeah. Just incredible. Well, I got one last question for you, Keith. I mean,
00:51:10.560
I agree with you. I think you have to try, you have to go to court, you have to exhaust that.
00:51:16.400
I guess one last question is where are all the liberals? And I don't mean capital L liberal,
00:51:21.520
like the liberal party. I mean, people who thought, well, I, I'm not for police violence,
00:51:26.720
or I'm not for, you know, people who might've said my body, my choice. I don't, you know,
00:51:31.920
want the government to force me to do something with my own body or people who were skeptical of
00:51:36.160
big pharma or in the cases we've just been discussing for the last hour, people who are
00:51:42.560
skeptical of police. Where are the liberals who have always been skeptical of police and police brutality
00:51:49.440
and over policing? I guess, you know, I saw a liberal the other day complain that the truckers
00:51:55.360
have appropriated the Canadian flag as their symbol. And you would think that they would love that.
00:52:01.760
Where are the good liberals? I mean, the Canadian Civil Liberties Association woke up from its two
00:52:06.480
year slumber to say they didn't like the emergencies act. And then they went right back to bed.
00:52:11.520
Where are all the people who, for my whole life, have pretended to care about privacy and civil rights
00:52:20.800
and, and limited, you know, and the rule of law and reigning in police? Where are all those people?
00:52:27.120
Did they ever even mean it? Well, they're clearly bathing in a delusion of virtuousness.
00:52:35.360
They've concluded that they are so right about how the world should work and how individuals should
00:52:41.120
conduct their lives. There's nothing to debate. You just shall do what they say. And if you
00:52:48.960
have an issue with it and think that actually some of the things they're advocating are harmful,
00:52:53.680
discriminatory, unfair, unjust, well, they won't stand for it because they are the virtuous ones and we
00:53:01.680
are not. So we've, we've, we've, we've really, we've really descended into a very dark, dangerous place.
00:53:09.120
And I think it's very important that all Canadians have to take an interest in this and, and assert
00:53:16.160
the importance of civil liberties and compassion and understanding and diversity of views. And
00:53:23.920
we got to, we've got to try and regain the thing that I found meeting so many of the truckers in Ottawa
00:53:30.000
and the other incredible people who came there to volunteer and help was they were all there for
00:53:36.400
the same reason. All these people met in Ottawa. They didn't know one another in January. They didn't
00:53:41.280
know one another last year. They all just met because they looked at the future for their children,
00:53:47.280
for their families, for their communities, and for their province and their country. And they became
00:53:52.080
very concerned that we're going in a dangerous, wrong direction. They saw the energy and the hope
00:53:59.280
that the truckers ignited in their convoy across the country. And they were there to try and make
00:54:05.760
whatever difference they could to reverse the trend, to move us, to shift us from this descent
00:54:11.920
into authoritarianism, and to get us back on track of freedom and civil liberties. So we've just got
00:54:18.880
to keep doing that. We know that there's a growing number of Canadians who share this view. And we've
00:54:23.760
just got to keep working. And I'm going to keep working hard on my legal cases through the Justice
00:54:27.680
Centre. And I've been very pleased to be working collaboratively with the lawyers at the Democracy
00:54:33.600
Fund, an incredible group of lawyers there. And between all of our efforts, we've got to turn the tide
00:54:40.400
here. Well, Keith Wilson, it's great to see you. You've been a fighter for freedom ever since I met
00:54:47.920
you decades ago at the U of A Law School. What a delight to see you on this important file.
00:54:54.960
We love the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms. We always talk about your cases. For
00:54:59.440
folks who want to learn more, go to jccf.ca. They could always use a few bucks if you got them to
00:55:07.360
help fight the good fights. Well, I hope you'll keep in touch with us. And we're very interested
00:55:11.920
in your work. And I know you were the lawyer who helped draft Brian Peckford's no-fly zone lawsuit,
00:55:17.760
which we went in great detail with, with Premier Peckford. So I'm very pleased with what you're doing.
00:55:24.720
I'm a little bit depressed, having learned what you've told me today about the additional charges
00:55:30.880
against some of the truckers about the new Ontario lawsuit, learning about how the banks did things
00:55:37.040
and the police. I won't lie. It's made me a little afraid. But I know that we have to fight back,
00:55:46.880
fight back peacefully, legally, politically, in our case, journalistically. And I'm glad you're
00:55:54.880
fighting for freedom, too. So thanks for spending the time with us.
00:55:57.680
Great to see you, Ezra. And thank you for having me on.
00:56:01.040
All right. Our pleasure. There you have it. Keith Wilson, QC, lawyer for the truckers.
00:56:20.080
Well, what do you think of Keith Wilson? He's promised to keep in touch with us.
00:56:23.680
It looks like things are escalating. They're actually bringing more charges
00:56:27.520
against Tamera Litch and Grandma. And the Ontario government is going to
00:56:32.000
de-finance its political opponents. That's the worst part of what's happened.
00:56:36.080
They're trying to terrify people. And I think they've succeeded to a degree.
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Well, we'll keep following that. And I was pleased to hear that the JCCF is doing so well. And it was
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nice to hear Keith Wilson say nice things about the Democracy Fund lawyers, too. There's a lot of people
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trying to fight this tithe so far with a mixed success. But Keith says we have to keep fighting.
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And I think he's right. Well, that's our show for today. Until next time, on behalf of all of us here
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at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night. Keep fighting for free.