EZRA LEVANT： Ireland jumps ahead in the race to have the most censorship in the free world
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A new censorship law in Ireland. Oh, but it's for the common good, they say. I ll take you through it and show you some of its promoters. You're fighting for freedom! Shame on you, you censorious thug!
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Hello, my friends. A new censorship law in Ireland. Oh, but it's for the common good,
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they say. I'll take you through it and show you some of its promoters.
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Tonight, Ireland jumps ahead in the race to have the most censorship in the free world.
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It's June 16th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.
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You're fighting for freedom! Shame on you, you censorious thug!
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Listen to this short clip of a speech from Ireland's legislature. It's just 41 seconds
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long. This is Green Party Senator Pauline O'Reilly.
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When you think about it, all law, all legislation is about the restriction of freedom. That's exactly
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what we're doing here, is we are restricting freedom, but we're doing it for the common
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good. You will see throughout our Constitution, yes, you have rights, but they are restricted
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for the common good. Everything needs to be balanced. And if your views on other people's
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identities go to make their lives unsafe, insecure, and cause them such deep discomfort that they
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cannot live in peace, then I believe that it is our job as legislators to restrict those freedoms
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All law is about the restriction of freedom? Yeah, no, no, it's not. Most laws actually don't have anything
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to do with freedom. If you skim Canada's Constitution Act, you can see all the things the law deals with.
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unemployment insurance, postal service, census, the military, navigation and shipping, fisheries,
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currency, coins, banks, weights and measures, bankruptcy, marriage, immigration, I'll stop there.
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Now, of course, some of those absolutely do limit our freedoms. I mean, if you're jailed under the
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criminal law provisions, that absolutely does limit your freedom of mobility, for example. And I'm not
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here to say the government doesn't infringe our freedoms. It absolutely does, way too much. But
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it is an insane thing to say that by definition, all laws are about shrinking your freedom. And that
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she said it as if that was a happy point of it, that that was a quality, not a feature, not a bug.
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That that's normal, it has to be accepted. She was happy about that. I mean, I suppose
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every law does in a way limit our freedom, but not the way she meant it. And she was thrilled about
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that. That's a bully's idea. It's a madman's idea, an authoritarian dictator's idea. There's someone,
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that's someone who doesn't trust her friends and her neighbors, but wants to rule over them.
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She says the word common good so many times it's like it's a magic spell, like it is sufficient to
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say that before taking away your neighbor's rights. I'm doing this abracadabra for the common good.
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You have to stay in your homes for months. You have to do that for the common good. You can't go to
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school or work or to a park. You can't have a wedding or a funeral. You can't go to church for the common
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good. You can't have your family over. You can't have Christmas dinner because of the common good.
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Presto. And these tyrants alone will decide what is or isn't in the common good. We just lived through
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three years of that and we found out it wasn't for the common good. It hurt the common good.
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The lockdowns had no scientific basis or benefit. Neither did the masks and the vaccines certainly
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didn't vaccinate. These people had no special knowledge. They just used COVID as the latest excuse
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for the common good. They'll use climate as an excuse for the common good. Now you can see they're using
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people's feelings as a reason to take away your rights. Did you catch that part where she said
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if your views on other people's identities go to make their lives unsafe and insecure and cause them
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such deep discomfort that they cannot live in peace, then you can restrict those freedoms. What?
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What? So if you merely have views that are wrong in the eyes of the law, you must be restricted.
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Views. If your views are wrong and she'll decide that. You heard her. Views about other people's
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identities. What? You can't have an opinion because that will make other people uncomfortable, she says.
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She said that. So you must have your freedom limited because your views cause someone else discomfort.
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She said that. But what if they cause you discomfort too? Is only one side of a debate
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allowed to cause discomfort and only one side, the other side of the debate required to endure
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discomfort? This is madness. This is not law. This is totalitarianism in the name of safety. You know,
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Jordan Peterson would say this is the modern manifestation of authoritarianism in a female way,
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a different shade of bullying compared to the typical male authoritarianism, authoritarianism,
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which we've had an eternity of experience. It's a more recent thing to see female totalitarians,
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isn't it? But just think about what we went through during the lockdowns, Teresa Tam. Remember her?
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If there are people who are non-compliant, there are definitely laws and public health
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health powers that can quarantine people in mandatory settings. It's potential you could
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track people, put bracelets on their arms, have police and other setups to ensure quarantine is
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undertaken. It is better to be pre-emptive and precautionary and take the heat of people thinking
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you might be overreactionary. Get ahead of the curve and then think about whether you've overreacted
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later. But it's such a serious situation that I think decisive early action is the key.
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Toronto's public health boss Eileen Davila, very butch, sending in the riot horses against her restaurant?
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Alberta's Gina Hinshaw, expropriating, seizing a church and turning into an armed garrison.
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V.C.'s Bonnie Henry, women can be as vicious as men, I'll have you know. They frame their bullying in
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the same sort of way quite often as each other. This is about safety. This is about compassion.
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It's a different way of being totalitarian than men typically are. I'm only hurting you because
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I care more than you. I'm only being a bully because I'm more compassionate than you.
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It's the common good that makes me do it. In fact, look, it is not for the common good and
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all laws should not be about restricting freedom. May I direct your attention to Canada's basic law,
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the Constitution, the Charter of Rights, or the U.S. Constitution, or the Magna Carta,
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on which both were built. All the laws I just listed are about limiting government power,
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not limiting citizens' freedom. The Magna Carta was about forcing limits onto a king.
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Here's my favorite part of our Canadian Constitution. It's Section 2 of the Charter of
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Rights, which is part of our Constitution. It's called Fundamental Freedoms. I'm going to read them
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because I love them. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms. A, freedom of conscience
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and religion. B, freedom of thought, belief, opinion, and expression, including freedom of the press
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and other media of communication. C, freedom of peaceful assembly. And D, freedom of association.
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Those are laws that strengthen people and limit the government. That's the kind of law I like.
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By the way, the freedom they mean, freedom of association, freedom of speech, means freedom from
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government, by the way. Here's another woman who wants the power to silence people because she cares
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more than you. And this is how she shows it. This is Justice Minister Helen McKenty. And by the way,
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only haters hate hate speech laws. You hater. Take a look. Minister, yesterday you indicated that the only
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people who oppose your government's hate speech laws are, quote, fringe commentators. But of the
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thousands of replies to your own government's public consultations, 73% were negative. And
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according to the last poll done on the subject, 65% of people oppose such laws. So is it not,
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in fact, your government that's endorsing the fringe position here? What I think is very clear,
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and this is coming from the significant amount of public consultation that we've had in the last four
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years consultation that started back in 2018, is that there is a very clear group of minority people
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in this country who are simply targeted and who are being either victimized or harassed,
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assaulted, who are victims of hate speech and hate crime simply because of who they are. So that is
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very clear. That is based on fact. And that is also based on reports that we have.
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Minister, with requests, that's not what I asked. But I'm sorry, that's not what I asked. And also,
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I've gone through every single one of the consultation responses. There are about 3,600 of
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them. And that's really not what they said. The vast majority of people said they don't want this. So
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where are you getting the idea that there's public outcry for this other than government paid NGOs?
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So that's incorrect to say that the vast majority of people don't want this. I think even if you were
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to listen to the debate last night in the Shannon, and certainly the debate in the Dole, the vast majority
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of people do want this. But those are politicians. We're talking about the general public. Where's
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the where's the public outcry? I can either answer the question or not. But I mean, what I'm basing
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this on is very clear factual evidence. If you speak to Angarda Shia Kona, there has been a 29% increase
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in hate crimes across this country. So while we don't have hate crime legislation recorded hate crimes.
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So I didn't quite get the statistic. There was a 65% or 73% opposed this hate speech law.
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And this justice minister says that people are victimized or harassed or assaulted by hate crimes.
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Well, those are three different things. Victimized, harassed or assaulted. Which does she mean?
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Which is she banning? Does she even know? Here's another censor. Ireland's full of them, apparently.
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Here's Senator Joe O'Reilly. He actually says that the Holocaust and street violence
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is really just speech run amok and jokes. And that jokes have to be censored.
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He actually says without this law, which has never been an effect in history,
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it would be like Lord of the Ring, Lord of the Flies, excuse me, out there,
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just unlimited violence and cruelty. Take a look.
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The Holocaust began in the very early 30s with hate speech. It progressed from hate speech
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to hate crimes. And that progressed ultimately to the Holocaust. The attacks on the traveller community
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do not begin with on the night of the attack. They begin through the hate speech in pubs and the warm-up
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and the remarks around the place that give a legitimacy to all this. The attacks, the homophobic
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attacks in parks do not begin on the night. They begin with homophobic remarks. They begin with
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smutty jokes. They begin with exclusion. But what happened in Navin, didn't, those children didn't
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get up some morning. And it, you know, there were conditions, it's a jokes, it's stuff online,
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it's stuff on television screens, etc. It's a conditioning that brought them to that dreadful
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position. A sort of a Lord of the Flies thing, but something that's fed into. And that has to be
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considered. Well, thank God he's here to fix it. I mean, how has Ireland managed to escape the Nazi
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Holocaust or the Lord of the Flies wild anarchy without his guidance in this law? It's, it's amazing
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that Ireland hasn't had a Holocaust because this law is what would stop the Holocaust.
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What a grandiose buffoon. By the way, this is all about being a battering ram against
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parents who are concerned about transgenderism being pushed in the schools. That is what this
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is all about. That's the front line of the free speech battle now. Shutting up parents,
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which is interesting because Ireland, I read its constitution today, it's a very interesting
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constitution. It's quite unlike ours. They have a whole section about the family in the constitution.
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Have you ever heard of that before? I have not. Let me read to you article 41 from the Irish
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constitution, which is published in both Irish and English. I think Senator Pauline O'Reilly,
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and frankly, all of them ought to read it again. It doesn't limit freedom. It strengthens the family
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against other forces. I'm going to read to you. Here's, here's article 41. It's called the family.
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Imagine the constitution that says that. One, the state recognizes the family as the natural
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primary and fundamental unit group of society and as a moral institution possessing inalienable
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and imprescriptible rights, antecedent and superior to all positive law. Do you know what those big
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words mean? It means you can't touch it. It's bigger than and predates and more important than all laws.
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I've never seen anything so pro-family in my life. Number two, the state therefore guarantees
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to protect the family in its constitution and authority as the necessary basis of social order
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and as indispensable to the welfare of the nation and the state. This is in the Irish constitution.
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Are you blown away? Two, in particular, the state recognizes that by her life within the home,
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woman gives to the state of support without which the common good cannot be achieved. There's that
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term, the common good. And it's by respecting a family and respecting moms. This constitution says
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the highest position in the world is a mum. It's in the Irish constitution. Have you ever seen this
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before? Check it out for yourself. This is hard to believe, isn't it? Because we've never heard of such
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a thing. That's the common good, isn't it? The state shall therefore endeavor to ensure that mothers
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shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labor to the neglect of their
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duties in the home. That's interesting. That is pretty pro-family. It is indispensable to the
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welfare of the nation and the state. That's a bit more oomph than Senator O'Reilly's vague common good.
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In fact, it takes ownership of the phrase common good. But let's look at this proposed law. And I put
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it to you that this proposed law will be a battering ram against the family. That's what it's being used
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for today. So this law, it's a reform to a bunch of other laws of criminal nature. It's got a list
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of things that you cannot criticize or insult anybody about. So you can't say something that
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might offend someone else. I mean, you heard the senator. So I'm going to read to you from the law,
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meaning of protected characteristics. So you can't pick on anyone for their protected characteristic.
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And what does that mean? In this act, other than in section eight, protected characteristic
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in relation to a person or a group of persons means any one of the following, namely race,
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color, nationality, religion, national or ethnic origin, descent, gender, sex characteristics,
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sexual orientation, or disability. But of course, the key is the next section. They clarify in particular
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gender, gender means the gender of a person or the gender which a person expresses as the person's
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preferred gender or with which the person identifies and includes transgender and a gender other than
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those of male and female. They don't dare try and list what those are. Now, so they're basically,
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they're telling you what this is about. Gender expression is how you show yourself,
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but gender identity is just what you say you are. You can have a big old bloke with a beard and biceps
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and you can say, I'm a gal now. That's called gender identity. And if you insult that, criticize that,
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or offend that, you are a criminal under this law. Hey, but it's for the common good. Now, look at this
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funny wording. The law bans incitement to violence or hatred. Now, I don't believe in violence at all.
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Violence and hatred couldn't be more different in their expressions. I mean, I suppose they're related
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because violence sometimes has hatred behind it, but they're very different. Hatred is a human emotion
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you feel in your heart. It's a natural feeling. It's a subjective occurrence. We all respond differently
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to different things in our minds and our hearts. That's hatred. The other one, violence is an act,
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a criminal act usually, of attacking another person. You can't compare a feeling in your heart
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with an action against another person. You can't compare hate with violence. But it's obviously done
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deliberately. It's criminalizing feelings. There are surely very, very few actual violent acts in Ireland
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that would fall under this law. So this law will keep everyone busy dealing with feelings crimes.
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Instead, they're lumping them together. I'll read some more. Offensive incitement to violence or
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hatred against persons on account of their protected characteristics. Subject to subsections two, etc.
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A person shall be guilty of an offense under this section if the person communicates material to
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the public or a section of the public or behaves in a public place in a manner that is likely to
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incite violence or hatred. Well, those are two pretty different things. Against a person or group of
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persons on account of their protected characteristics or any of those characteristics. And the person does
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so with intent to incite violence or hatred against such a person or group of persons on account of those
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characteristics or any of them. I won't read all the the fine print there, but basically
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they're blurring feelings and violence and then they're adding a likely to.
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What does any of that mean? Like, would you know how to conduct yourself in Ireland now?
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If you behave in a way that could incite bad feelings, you're a criminal now? What's that mean?
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Does anyone know what the test for that is? Well, no, that's the point, isn't it?
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So everyone's guilty. They just have to charge you. And again, it's a future crime. Did you see that
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likely to incite feelings? So you don't have to actually incite bad feelings.
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Uh, it just, you know, certainly not past tense. He did incite feelings, but maybe in the future
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it's likely to incite feelings. How do you even defend against that? You can't say your honor,
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it didn't make anyone feel bad. Well, it could've. You're guilty because it could've.
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You can do or say something that literally has no effect at all in the world, doesn't cause bad
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feelings, certainly doesn't cause a violent action, and you'll still be guilty. Do you see how this
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law is written? It's a future crime, likely to incite feelings, not even likely to cause violence.
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This is, this is like no crime we know of in the Western world. Oh, and the punishment for breaking
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this law is up to five years in prison, plus a fine, by the way. Here's an interesting wrinkle.
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Offensive condonation, denial, or gross trivialization of genocide, etc., against persons on account of
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their protected characteristics. So subject to section 11, a person shall be guilty of an offense
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under this section if the person communicates material to the public, or a section of the public,
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or behaves in a public place in a manner that condones, denies, or grossly trivializes genocide,
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a crime against humanity, a war crime, or an act specified in blah blah blah of the International
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Military Tribunal. All right, but who gets to decide?
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The Armenian genocide, which I believe happened, millions of Armenian Christians killed by Turks.
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But Turkey does not believe that happened. They deny it.
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Could the Turkish ambassador deny the Armenian genocide? Would he be charged with a crime?
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How about the Uyghurs? Do you know who they are? That's the Muslim minority in the Xinjiang province in
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China. So they're Chinese Uyghur Muslims. That's what they're called. And there is a case to be made,
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and I think it's fairly well documented, that China has committed a kind of a genocide against them.
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They haven't killed them all. But there is a brutal human rights-violating slow motion war against the
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Uyghurs. There's concentration camps there. It's atrocious. There's certainly atrocities.
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A lot of people believe that's a genocide. Some people deny it. Justin Trudeau would never say it.
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He says Canada has committed a genocide, and other people deny that. Who gets to decide? Can I
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prosecute Justin Trudeau under this law for denying the Uyghur genocide? I mean,
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who gets to enforce that? Here's the craziest part. You think this law is crazy? Look at this.
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You can have something, literally just have it on you. Have it on your phone, have it on your computer,
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have it in an email, have it on your Instagram page, and be guilty just for having it, just for possessing it.
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You know what I mean? Like a meme, or a joke, or a picture, whatever. Let me read the law to you.
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Offense of preparing or possessing material likely to incite violence or hatred against persons on
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account of their protective characteristics. Subject to subsections two and three in section
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11. A person shall be guilty of an offense under this section if the person a prepares or possesses
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material that is likely to incite violence or hatred against a person or group of persons on account
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of their protective characteristics or any of those characteristics with a view to the material being
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communicated to the public or a section of the public whether by himself or herself or another
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person. Okay, just stop for a second there. So you didn't have to make this mean. You didn't
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have to write this joke. You didn't have to say these words. You just have to be in possession of
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it like it's some, I don't know, some gun or bomb or some hard drug. Are you in possession of drugs?
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Are you in possession of dank memes? Are you in possession of dirty jokes? You didn't even have to
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create it. You just have to have it. And you don't even have to share it. Someone else might be.
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prepares or possesses such material with intent to incite violence or hatred against such a person
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or group of persons on account of those characteristics or any of those characteristics
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or being reckless as to whether such violence or hatred is thereby incited. So you don't even have
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to mean to hurt any feelings. Just be wrecked. I was recklessly sharing a joke your honor and someone
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got hurt feelings. Actually I say again they don't actually have to have hurt feelings. Just maybe they were
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likely to have feelings. No one was hurt. No one even complained. You didn't write this goofy meme.
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You didn't have any, you know, you just had it in your phone. You're guilty because it could have
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caused someone hurt feelings. Oh and get ready for your full cavity search. Oh for the common good though.
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Let me read this next part. A member acting under the authority of a search warrant under this section so
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they can search you. A operate any computer at the place that is being searched to cause any computer
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to be operated by a person accompanying the member for that purpose. And B get this. Require any person
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at that place who appears to be the to the member to have lawful access to the information in any such
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computer. To give to the member any password necessary to operate it and any encryption key or code
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necessary to unencrypt the information accessible by the computer. Two, otherwise to enable the member
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to examine the information accessible by the computer in a form in which the information is visible and
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legible. Or three, to produce the information in a form in which it can be removed in which it
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is or can be made visible and legible. So they can search your stuff and force you to give your passwords.
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But hey, it's for the common good. That's Ireland. How did a place that came up with so much banter,
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so many jokes over the centuries, how did a place like that with such a humor, such a reputation for
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banter and jokes and limericks? Limerick's a place in Ireland. We named the Dirty Joke poem after them.
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How did that place come to where it is now? That's too bad, isn't it? Stay with us for more.
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rainbow doesn't look like any rainbow I've seen in the sky. There's so many other symbols and colors
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and shapes on there. I got a chuckle out of it the other day when Lawrence Fox called it the migraine
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black. I think he was right. But the left has been a rainbow coalition for a while. Different people
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who all in some way had a place in the progressive constellation. But I wonder if that rainbow coalition
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is coming apart. Remember this video from about a week or so ago when there was a protest in Ottawa
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against the transgender sexuality being taught in schools to children of tender years.
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This image shocked people who saw it online and for good reason. The media party did not put it on
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their front pages, even though it was such a riveting image. These are young Muslim kids with their mom
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some stomping on the gay pride flag. Take a look at this. All right, we're here currently at the protest.
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We got a bunch of young kids here with their Arab parents, and they are stomping the pride flag here
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at the protest. The Arab community is sending a message, I believe, to the woke that they are not
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accepting of this, ladies and gentlemen. Yes. Yes. Any message you'd like to send today to just leave
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your kids alone. What? Yes. Leave the kids alone, she says, ladies and gentlemen. Leave the kids alone.
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All right. That's exhibit A. Here's exhibit B. Remember this? A teacher in a school in Edmonton,
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a recording of her in class, lecturing Muslim kids who were making fun of pride, saying, hey,
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we supported you during teachings about Ramadan, and in return, you must support our transgenderism
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here. Stop laughing. Remember this? Well, I'll tell you, you are out to lunch. If you think it's
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accessible to not show up because you think there's some pride activities going on at school,
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right? Oh, that's fine. You know, because I'm going to show my opinion by hanging out at the mall.
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But meanwhile, all of those kids who are, you know, involved in, say, the Gay Street Alliance or
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whatever, I don't even know if we have that anymore in our school, they're here when we did Ramadan for
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lying time, and they're showing respect in the class for your religion, right? For your beliefs.
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It goes two ways. If you want to be respected for who you are, if you don't want to suffer prejudice for
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your religion, your color of skin, your whatever, then you've got to give it back to people who are
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different from you. That's how it works. It's an exchange. And it isn't like that in all countries. As I
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told you, in Uganda, literally, if they think you're gay, they will execute you. If you believe
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that kind of thing, then you don't belong here. Because that is not what Canada believes. We believe
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in freedom. We believe that people can marry whomever they want. That is in the law. And if you don't
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think that should be the law, you can't be Canadian. You don't belong here. And I mean it. I really mean it.
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And it's not a joke, Mansoor. I said back and forth. You want it, you've got to give it.
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It just makes me angry. Sorry, I'm a little working.
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What is happening? Well, I know someone who's hot on this story. Her name is Rupa Subramania. And her
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latest story in the National Post is called, The Progressive Left Discards Muslims as Un-Canadian.
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She joins us now via Skype. Rupa, this is very, very interesting. And it's very difficult for the
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left to talk about. Well, I think it's difficult for the right to talk about also. How do you
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reconcile these things? Tell me a little bit about what's going on as these Muslim families express
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their objections to some of the more extreme sexuality teachings.
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Well, thanks, Ezra. It's great to be back on your show again. And yeah, it's quite fascinating what's
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happening in the culture war space. So suddenly, you know, when I was at this protest last weekend,
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one of the things that struck me about the protests, I mean, it was striking to anybody who was there,
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is that you had devout Muslim parents facing off against a woke progressive left standing up for
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trans rights. And, you know, it was a little, I would say there was a bit of a cognitive dissonance
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happening there as far as the, the progressives were concerned, because they didn't really expect,
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you know, the, the, you know, what they imagined, you know, they didn't expect the people,
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they, they thought that this would be a white, far right, white supremacists in attendance,
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protesting against gender ideology. But it turns out these were people that the left has
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supported in one of the guise of progressivism, especially when it comes to things like what is
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perceived to be Islamophobia. So, so that was pretty interesting. And, and, you know, and the
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reaction to the protests, you know, I shared some of these videos that I shot on Twitter, and, and,
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you know, and the reactions from some of some very prominent progressives on social media,
00:31:56.980
was that, you know, perhaps, you know, we should reconsider immigration, we should,
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these, these people don't represent Canadian values. Perhaps it's time to put a hard stop on
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immigration from countries that don't share Canadian values. And, and, and some even said,
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I think you should go back to where you came from. Now, typically, these comments are associated with
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the far right. You know, if you, if you want to, typically, that's, that's what the progressive left has,
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you know, has been saying. But this actually came from them. And, and that was pretty striking to me.
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Yeah, I mean, on the one hand, I believe in a cultural test to come to Canada, we want people
00:32:41.380
who believe in pluralism. And on the subject of gay rights, we don't want people who absolutely,
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you know, have a rage against gay rights. I mean, some of these countries,
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homosexuality is punishable by death. You know, Iran hangs gays, Saudi Arabia stones them. I don't
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know how frequent that is these days. So on the one hand, I sympathize with some, you know,
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not just economic questions for my immigrants, but do you, are you cool with the way we are as Canadians?
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But I think that what is being pushed in these schools is so radical, so extreme,
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that I think it, it's so much further than anyone historically has said, well, this is Canadian
00:33:28.260
values. And so it's not a surprise to me that socially conservative Muslims are the first to,
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to speak out and say, whoa, that's not what we thought we were coming to. I don't, I can,
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for a little bit, I can, I can understand it, but it's shocking to see how quickly the left
00:33:45.140
turns on visible minorities, immigrants, Muslims, who until five minutes ago, they would have said,
00:33:52.020
how dare you talk about a Muslim ban? I mean, that's Donald Trump stuff, talking about a Muslim
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immigration ban. It's fascinating to watch. No, absolutely. And to be very, very clear here,
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you didn't, you didn't see devout Muslims protesting against the pride flag or pride,
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or even gay rights for that matter, you know, a few years ago, this is all pretty recent. And this
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goes to the point that you're making, which is gender ideology, you know, has, is, you know,
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has become so pervasive now. And it's literally being shoved down their throat. And, and, and,
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you know, and this is what they were protesting. They were protesting against the indoctrination
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of their kids with radical gender ideology. So it's very important. Look, I mean, these people
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came here and, and, you know, many immigrant Muslims come here knowing full well that this is
00:34:48.100
a country that stands for certain things. And, and, and so they've already agreed to that. They've already
00:34:54.420
accepted it as a fait accompli. But what's happening now is that we've unearthed, we've, we've, we've,
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you know, the progressive left, you know, this is their doing really, they've kind of, you know,
00:35:09.060
brought out Muslims who, you know, out and outright reject homosexuality because the,
00:35:19.780
because it goes against Islamic teachings. Look, I mean, it's, it's their right to believe whatever
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they want to believe in. If they want to protest against it, that's also fine. Freedom of expression
00:35:31.060
and all of that stuff. But it is, for me, it was a bit disturbing to see kids, you know, stomping
00:35:38.500
on the pride flag and, and the parents cheering them on, you know, this, but, you know, and I also want
00:35:45.540
to make it very clear that the protest as organized by Chris Elston, Billboard Chris,
00:35:51.460
and Josh Alexander was to protest against gender ideology, not against gay rights. That's a very
00:35:58.020
important point to be, to, to make, and one has to keep making that repeatedly. Because, you know, the,
00:36:05.540
the other side, you know, will, will miss often, I think deliberately will mischaracterize such protests
00:36:13.300
as being against gay rights, which is not the case. A lot of these people just, just reject
00:36:18.420
gender ideology being taught in schools in the way it's being taught.
00:36:22.500
Yeah. You know, I think one thing that Chris Elston, I interviewed him a few times says,
00:36:26.740
is no one's born in the wrong body. And in fact, a lot of this gender ideology says, if you're gay,
00:36:33.620
no, no, no, you're in the wrong body. We've got to chop off your body parts, give you
00:36:38.900
certain hormones. So I think in some ways that the LGBT, the T is contrary to the L and the G,
00:36:48.980
as in Chris Elston is, I don't think he's anti-gay at all. He's saying, stop trying to change people's
00:36:59.220
gender, especially if they're young. Let me play a clip of what the mum and the sister of those Muslim
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kids dancing on the pride flag set. It's very interesting. And I paid close attention to what
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they said, at least in the clip that I saw, there may be others. They didn't say we're anti-gay.
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They said, leave the kids alone. Here, take a look.
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yeah i mean just to push back a little bit on that ezra uh i did speak to that uh same mother
00:38:13.020
and daughter and they and uh and a little and their little boy and uh they i i have to be
00:38:20.600
honest here they were also against homosexuality uh that was very clear in one of in my interview
00:38:27.080
with them like did you like this no it's like too disgusting it's too disgusting and like
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and and and and so that's you know that was one of the reasons why i wrote this column for the
00:38:46.820
national post because inadvertently um religion has come into the picture uh it was always going
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to be there it was always there in the background but now uh you know we've you know people who had
00:39:00.340
initially just accepted um these as you know this is part of part and parcel of being in this
00:39:05.980
country this is this is what uh this this these are canadian values and you know they're here and
00:39:12.000
they've accepted all of that but uh but because of how things have gone recently um the the direction
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in which we're heading um they've just um you know they just don't want anything to do with this at
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all and my concern is that uh you know there's a risk here that there might be a regression in this
00:39:32.080
consensus that had been built over the years over gay rights and i worry that there might be a
00:39:36.960
regression um as far as that's concerned isn't that interesting well first of all i accept obviously
00:39:42.520
you were on the ground there you talked to these people i was just relying on little clips i found
00:39:46.180
it's very interesting and muslim immigration to canada is very large i think the muslim community is well
00:39:52.780
over a million people and it's concentrated in certain cities in certain districts for example
00:39:57.660
in ottawa some schools had 60 percent of kids stay home for pride day 60 percent and we know that when
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uh a more gender extreme transgender uh curriculum was brought in a few years back there were some schools
00:40:14.560
into the toronto area where 90 percent of the kids were kept home so i i think that
00:40:22.000
i think we are coming apart you talked about sort of a commonality i think it's coming apart
00:40:28.700
and i think we can look at other places in the world to see how this will end i've been to
00:40:34.060
malmo sweden and i've been to you know parts of northern england where the vast majority of certain
00:40:42.520
communities like over 90 percent are muslim and in sweden you think that's the most
00:40:46.400
gay positive country in the world right but in in malmo in rosengard
00:40:52.500
you know kids born in sweden are talking about banning homosexuality and i think that the left
00:41:01.780
cannot hold its coalition together and if i have to guess which part of this coalition is going to
00:41:08.780
win i'm going to guess it's the muslim part just for sheer demographic numbers that's my observation
00:41:14.220
from rosengard sweden and from parts of manchester and and the greater london area what do you think
00:41:21.560
of that yeah no i i really you know sweden is a great example um and i'm glad you brought that up
00:41:28.080
and i really hope that we don't head in that direction because i've been to sweden and i've been
00:41:33.140
to malmo as well and uh you know you know there are these no-go areas as you know uh and uh that's
00:41:41.040
that's not what what you know i would like to see in canada we have tons of problems but i i really
00:41:47.640
wish that that's not going to be one of them um in the near future uh but you know but it all it
00:41:53.840
goes to this this you know the fact is that um uh you know when you when you push something as
00:42:00.200
aggressively as uh gender ideology um and uh and you know a lot of prominent gay people have also
00:42:07.440
spoken out against radical gender ideology so um and and and and so you know there's there's there's
00:42:15.700
wide support i think uh apart from you know sections of the mainstream media especially the legacy media
00:42:22.700
which seems to have take taken this on as like you know this is you know we must keep promoting this
00:42:29.060
um and uh you know most people i think uh really feel that this is just uh this is just too much
00:42:37.540
and um you know they're just um speaking out um and you know i i just i i think i think again it's
00:42:45.260
worth repeating this uh muslims did not have the muslim community as far as i'm concerned and i cannot
00:42:51.920
speak for them obviously but this is just based on my observation had no issues with this it was a live
00:42:57.360
and let live approach you know you guys do what you want uh we do what what we want we have we have
00:43:03.100
our beliefs we have our uh values we we have things that we um you know strongly believe in and we go by
00:43:09.340
the quran and uh and this is what islam teaches us and and of course leave our kids alone uh that
00:43:15.940
last bit has not been happening for us two or three years at least um you know this whole radical push on
00:43:23.840
gender ideology is not that old right you know it's it's really picked up in the last two to three
00:43:29.980
years during the pandemic so so this is this is a recent phenomena and i um you know i i i have a lot
00:43:37.780
of faith in um you know the muslim community in canada i think um you know there are of course a few
00:43:44.120
radical elements in every community but i i i do think that uh you know they they just they just
00:43:50.080
want to be left alone they just don't want their children to be taught uh these things which they
00:43:55.300
really object to and ultimately it comes down to uh parental rights which uh trudeau uh said was uh
00:44:03.400
you know a far right uh thing so you know whether it is a christian an atheist parent objecting to
00:44:11.580
the use of pronouns in schools or a muslim parent objecting to the use of pronouns in school it comes
00:44:16.600
down to the same thing it's about parental rights they just want their kids to be left alone and
00:44:20.880
that was the message ultimately that was the the message i think from the protests uh this last
00:44:27.360
weekend in ottawa yeah well it's you know you raise a lot of very good points here i want i'm going to
00:44:33.040
reread your column it's called the progressive left discards muslims as un canadian and you're right
00:44:38.580
this i think the one side here has gotten more aggressive and more pushy and it's the transgenderism
00:44:46.540
side and i think that the tools of their enforcement the cancel culture the public shaming the banning
00:44:53.580
people from twitter that doesn't work on immigrant mums from muslim countries who can't be fired from a
00:45:01.340
job because they're homemakers they can't be canceled from twitter because they don't waste time on twitter
00:45:06.600
you can't socially marginalize them because their social circles are other muslim mums from the
00:45:12.280
immigrant community so the tools that are used to keep old stock white canadian liberal families in
00:45:19.160
line oh don't don't embarrass me don't make me look like a hater those tools are not effective
00:45:26.380
against muslim mums this is going to be an amazing thing ruper i'm going to continue to cover your
00:45:31.680
to watch your journalism because you're on the ground you go and report what you see
00:45:36.580
you did that during the trucker convoy which is when you won so many super fans and i'm one of
00:45:42.260
those super fans by the way so thank you and you really brought the nuances here and and you're
00:45:47.920
right i can see both sides believe it or not and i i want to figure this one out myself and thanks for
00:45:53.460
helping us thank you so much ezra great to see and by the way i want to give a shout out to your new
00:45:58.940
project rupa does write for the national post of course which you've absolutely got to read every week
00:46:04.180
but she's also with a great new project called the free press and the website for that is the
00:46:11.200
fp.com t-h-e-f-p.com and it's and it's a great source of news and opinions so make sure to catch
00:46:23.800
hey welcome back your letters to me dalvenius tiv says his ads have a strong chinese influence that
00:46:43.280
alone is not trustworthy well you're talking about edward gong um there is sort of a strange
00:46:49.640
uh diction or uh cadence to his campaign videos um they do sound a little bit
00:46:59.060
like they're translated into english but written in a different language i'm not going to hold that
00:47:05.080
against him because he is born in china and english is his second language
00:47:09.080
i don't have a beef with a chinese canadian running for mayor there are a lot of chinese
00:47:14.260
canadians um chinese canadian mayor of vancouver uh i think the next mayor of toronto will likely be
00:47:21.260
a chinese canadian woman um her name is miss chow but olivia chow the widow of jackley uh the
00:47:29.760
questions with edward gong are his connections to communist china his interactions with that government
00:47:36.980
why would that government come and regulate an industry here in canada um i think there's also
00:47:43.080
questions about uh overspending and campaign finance i don't think edward gong is going to win
00:47:48.480
uh he might come in the top 10 just because he's dumped so much money on ads but it is proof that
00:47:54.040
the chinese government is in our politics they're certainly friends of his lawrence lawrence 3920 says
00:48:01.620
notice that most of the aggressive questioning and shouting that were thrown at mendocino were by women
00:48:06.200
reporters when it came to violent sexual attacks by bernardo they became very vocal when it comes
00:48:11.440
to aborting pre-born babies crickets or attacks on those who object to the killing of babies um you
00:48:16.700
know it may be that the paul bernardo story is so uh shocking and terrifying to women that that's what
00:48:24.500
motivated those reporters i i so i won't discount that but i i think that um it may be just a
00:48:32.480
coincidence that it was the women who were hollering at him because i think they were trying
00:48:37.600
to get him he refused to he canceled the scrum the previous night you might be right but i think that
00:48:42.440
they're just showing an exasperation with him leslie ross in 9729 says we have spent eight years
00:48:48.460
investigating the trudeau regime scandal and crime the time and money that could have been spent
00:48:52.640
governing canada i'm going to disagree with you politely i don't think we've spent eight years
00:48:58.160
investigating them the mainstream media certainly has not the rcmp certainly has not cesis well i
00:49:04.540
think they did some poking around but they were told to shut up and they finally started to leak
00:49:09.080
to the globe and mail so no i don't think we actually have spent eight years investigating trudeau he
00:49:13.740
certainly wasn't vetted um to any extent the other day in parliament when pierre polyev made a
00:49:20.320
oblique reference to trudeau being fired as a teacher midway through his school um there was
00:49:27.100
an absolute lack of curiosity by the mainstream media to look into it remember this is a prime
00:49:31.460
minister that all the media were sitting on pictures of him in blackface they had the dirt on him they
00:49:37.180
just weren't going to use it so no that he has not been investigated for eight years i don't think at
00:49:42.000
all it's our show for today until next time on behalf of all of us here at rebel world headquarters to
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you at home good night and keep fighting for freedom