Why is Wokeness on the march? Why the push for transgenderism? What is going on? I m trying to make sense of it, and he s the man to help guide me through his knowledge of philosophy and history. I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did.
00:07:49.060I'm sure that's the reason why Mel Gibson, who is a deeply Christian, deeply religious, almost evangelical man, made the movie.
00:07:58.960I think it was his way of saying, you don't like Christianity, you have a problem with our morality.
00:08:04.360Well, wait till you see what preceded it.
00:08:07.760So I'm talking about the culture of death.
00:08:13.160The culture of the culture of the culture of the culture of the culture of the culture of death, but it also brings to mind the cult of transgenderism, where for the first time in millennia, adults are sacrificing children.
00:08:26.880For millennia, it was the opposite. Adults would do anything to protect their children.
00:08:31.320Now, adults are serving up their children, either to drag queen story hours, sexualizing children of tender years, or even abominably putting them on hormones, puberty blockers, and even engaging in body defiling surgeries, irrevocable steps.
00:09:27.180Dr. Lindsay, pleasure to have you back.
00:09:29.180Dr. Lindsay, pleasure to have you back.
00:09:30.180I am flailing my way to an understanding here, but I do find some similarity.
00:09:35.180The culture of death, suicide, even for children now they're proposing it, suicide for people who just have some depression, suicide for people who want to, suicide for veterans.
00:09:48.180And then for those who live to be carved up, to feast on our children as some pagan demon might do.
00:10:00.180Well, I think your understanding you're filing to would be best described under the concept of tacit knowledge.
00:10:06.180I don't know if you've heard of this concept, tacit knowledge.
00:10:09.180It's a very formal term that roughly means intuition.
00:10:13.180So what you're seeing is a set of things that are happening that are creating connections in your mind that are not incorrect, that you don't have a vocabulary to understand or to articulate clearly.
00:10:27.180And so it rests in the realm of tacit knowledge.
00:10:30.180But I think your hypothesis or your hunch here is uncomfortably correct.
00:10:35.180I think that we're seeing with the woke in particular a complete rejection of Western culture and kind of at the center of Western culture is the Judeo-Christian ethic.
00:10:45.180And by having a complete rejection of that, by throwing often its tenants back in its own face in our societies, we're seeing things that do look very much like child sacrifice, that do look very much like pagan, even ritual.
00:11:05.180And, of course, we're seeing that celebrated, you know, whether it was the Oscars or the Grammys or whatever else, we're seeing these kinds of very overt displays of, I guess, a pagan kind of basis underneath this way of thinking.
00:11:21.060I don't think you're wrong in that suspicion.
00:11:51.360When I was talking to my friend, Barbara Kay, who thinks about these things, I couldn't help but think of some ancient laws, the Ten Commandments.
00:14:47.360As I often do, I remember the page number for a strange reason.
00:14:51.360It turns out on page 211, he's explaining, at least in the kind of standard copy, page 211 of my copy at any rate,
00:14:58.360he's explaining that he calls it in the Greek, he puts it in the Greek, orthos pederastine,
00:15:05.360which I'm sure I mispronounced, but it translates as correct pederasty is, in fact, the road to higher culture.
00:15:12.360What you see, actually, is in these kind of pre-Christian cults, where you see these laws that were being laid down,
00:15:18.360and you wonder what was going on, is what you had was this obsession with obtaining power,
00:15:24.360the obsession with finding a God who would give you a shortcut to power and might and the ability to rule over others.
00:15:30.360And you had the Jewish religion come in and eventually the Christian religion come in and say,
00:15:36.360no, that's not right. You're going to be humble before God.
00:15:38.360You're not going to rule because God is sovereign.
00:15:40.360I mean, you have a completely new ethic come in at that place.
00:15:43.360But in these earlier religions, these power-driven religions, what you have is very frequently rituals.
00:15:52.360Those rituals are supposed to confer power.
00:15:55.360And what Herbert Marcuse is writing about in that book is, in fact, that in pre-Socratic Greece,
00:16:05.360that these rituals were done very much so with kind of a sexual intent.
00:16:11.360And the goal is, in fact, to initiate children into sex while simultaneously initiating adults into a cult,
00:16:22.360which more or less can be regulated by blackmail, which I think makes the tie to Jeffrey Epstein and his island very clear,
00:16:29.360who are the stakeholders in our so-called stakeholder capitalism that we have.
00:16:33.360Well, I don't know, but I have a feeling that the way you become one is you go to Jeffrey's island or the equivalent,
00:16:40.360so that they can have blackmail and control you.
00:16:42.360The goal of this was supposed to be sexual liberation from Marcuse.
00:16:47.360The goal was to release the sexual energy, the libido, in order to become a creative force outside of the productive forces of capitalism
00:16:57.360or outside the productive forces of the society that we live in.
00:17:01.360And so you see this kind of return to those power-driven religions.
00:17:07.360You see this return to the rituals that are supposed to release the libido and that requires sexual initiation, especially of young people.
00:17:17.360Now, of course, what that does is deranges them.
00:17:20.360It's very unhealthy for children to be sexualized, and they develop personality disorders, and then they can be driven to act quite wildly.
00:17:32.360And we see this, for example, in Nashville yesterday.
00:17:35.360There were these marches, thousands of children abandoning the schools, allegedly to, I don't remember, they were saying that we have to fight guns.
00:17:47.360We have to have gun control because there was a shooting, of course, with a trans shooter.
00:17:54.360And my feeling, of course, is that they're trying to hide the fact that the shooter was trans by talking only about the guns so vigorously and vociferously.
00:18:03.360But what you see is this derangement in the young people who are not aware of what's going on in the world but are willing to go take political action to raise what they call good trouble, which is a communist phrase.
00:18:15.360It means direct action under a communist activism.
00:18:20.360And this is happening kind of all over the country yet again.
00:18:27.360And the goal, I think, of these cultic religions is to release that, to pent up the energy in the children, the young people, and release it.
00:18:35.360This is what Mao Zedong did in China, not so much necessarily through transgender or anything like this, but through identity politics.
00:18:42.360He created identity categories and he worked up the children.
00:18:46.360They went out and they attacked their parents.
00:18:48.360They went out and attacked the teachers.
00:18:49.360They went out and destroyed the existing society.
00:18:52.360And I think we're seeing the exact same thing.
00:18:54.360We're tapping into children's desire for power and deranging them with it.
00:19:01.360And the Judeo-Christian ethic of the West, whether someone is Christian or Jewish or not, is kind of irrelevant, is a target because it encourages humility.
00:19:13.360It encourages turning the other cheek.
00:19:15.360It encourages a number of virtues, the meek shall inherit the earth and so on, that are being perverted.
00:19:23.360I mean, again, I just think that you're not wrong to suspect that this is a turn toward whether you want to call them Babylonian pagan cults or whether you want to call it pre-Christian and point to the South American human sacrifice cults.
00:19:40.360I think that woke has this inside of it.
00:19:43.360You know, I was just reading your article on New Discourses dot com called Wokeness and the Structure of Cults.
00:19:56.360How can so many people be initiates into a cult without even knowing the cult is a cult?
00:20:03.360And I think if you were to ask most woke people, I think they would know the word woke and they would say, yes, I'm woke because they think that's a good word and you have to be woke.
00:20:14.360But and they would say, OK, they would have sort of message tracks like they would have a few lines that they've heard other people say a lot.
00:20:22.360And then maybe they had to do a call and response in some way in school.
00:20:27.360I don't think they would have thought deeply about it, but they would they would have their OK, someone talked about global warming.
00:20:35.360I have a message track on that on reparations on in Canada.
00:20:39.360You can see the woke cult working up land acknowledgements.
00:20:45.360We are on land stolen from the first people like you.
00:20:48.360They have their talking points down pat.
00:20:51.360And they would feel like they're in good company and socially compliant, but they would never say I'm part of a cult.
00:20:58.360They would never say that they would always say they came to that conclusion thoughtfully on their own.
00:21:03.360I think some of them would say they never heard the other side of the story as well, that they would be truly shocked that anyone didn't believe these things.
00:21:11.360It would be like, you know, saying to someone, oh, it's OK to litter.
00:21:19.360They like it's just obvious, like cover your nose when you sneeze.
00:21:23.360That's not even political. We just do it.
00:21:25.360How do you answer a cult whose cult members don't even know they're in it?
00:21:31.360I mean, you have to show them that what they're participating in is is operating in that way.
00:21:37.360Unfortunately, with the woke cult, it's actually a bit obvious.
00:21:40.360They're rather vicious to people who disagree with the doctrine.
00:21:46.360And in fact, maybe the most obvious sign that will reach a lot of people is, in fact, that the level of with which it divides even families, not just friends, but families.
00:21:58.360That's something you don't see anywhere short of religious or cult conviction.
00:22:03.360And I think that that's the way that you can get their attention.
00:22:07.360And we see that the way that people get pulled into this cult, though, is through through moral and kind of social requirement.
00:22:14.360I saw a meme the other day and it said it was some leftist meme and it said it showed some guy and it said, is this criticism of Joe Biden, a Republican criticism or a cool criticism?
00:22:26.360And it's kind of indicative of what I'm talking about.
00:22:29.360And then, you know, I saw a coloring book that's used there in Ontario.
00:22:33.360Somebody sent me today with children, this coloring book that's paid for by the Canadian government.
00:23:38.360And he told me that at one point that he had a run in with Scientology and he started to flirt with Scientology in the 1990s.
00:23:45.360And he said, if there was the Internet, I never would have got in because I would have been able to see deeper into what it was than what they were telling me as they brought me in.
00:23:56.360And so there's an opportunity to show people.
00:24:00.360Look, this is what the literature says.
00:24:01.360This is what they're going to how they're going to treat you.
00:24:04.360You know, right now it's all affirmation.
00:24:06.360But the next step is ruthless criticism of yourself and teaching you to self criticize its guilt and shame spirals so that you'll become emotionally and morally locked into this.
00:24:17.360And that's why I wrote these essays that you're referring to on new discourses was to try to show people that there's a structure to cults.
00:24:24.360There's a, you know, an outer layer where the people are just kind of committed because they think it's the right thing to do and an inner layer where they've studied the doctrine and they know it and they push it.
00:24:33.360And then there's the inner circle, which is kind of the leaders.
00:24:36.360And those are the people who I think have been through these rituals we were discussing previously.
00:24:41.360The Jeffrey Epstein story was shocking in that it had always been a conspiracy theory, a rumor, a flight of fancy, a wildness and a lack of believability.
00:24:56.360A couple of things I think really were key moments there when that reporter in an open mic mistake said, oh, yeah, we had the Epstein stuff, but we weren't allowed to run with it.
00:25:13.360Here, let me just refresh your memory about that clip. Take a look at this.
00:25:18.360I've had the story for three years. I've had this interview with Virginia Roberts.
00:25:23.360First of all, I was told, who's Jeffrey Epstein? No one knows who that is. This is a stupid story.
00:25:27.360Then the palace found out that we had her whole allegations about Prince Andrew and threatened us a million different ways.
00:25:35.360We were so afraid we wouldn't be able to interview Kate and Will that we, that also quashed the story.
00:25:43.360And then, and then Alan Dershowitz was also implicated in it because of the planes.
00:25:48.360She told me everything. She had pictures. She had everything. She was in hiding for 12 years.
00:25:53.360We convinced her to come out. We convinced her to talk to us.
00:25:56.360It was unbelievable what we had Clinton. We had everything.
00:26:00.360I, I tried for three years to get it on to no avail. And now it's all coming out and it's like these new revelations.
00:26:09.360And I freaking had all of it. I, I, I'm so pissed right now.
00:26:13.360Like every day I get more and more pissed. Cause I'm just like, Oh my God, we, it was what we had was unreal.
00:26:20.360Other women backing it up. Hey, yep. Brad Edwards, the attorney three years ago saying like, like we, there will come a day, but we will realize Jeffrey Epstein was the most prolific pedophile this country has ever known.
00:26:36.360But that was astonishing. And then when Melinda Gates, wife of one of the richest, most powerful men in the world, divorced Bill Gates and explicitly said his refusal to stop going to meet Jeffrey Epstein and credible reports say it was literally dozens of times.
00:26:58.360And to publicly say, that's why she was divorcing. And you can imagine she would have objected many times before that ultimate move of like, imagine how many times she said, stop, don't.
00:27:08.360And imagine how many times he refused. Here's a reminder of Melinda Gates describing that.
00:27:13.360You know, it was also widely reported that Bill had a friendship or business or some kind of contact with Jeffrey Epstein and that you were not, that that was very upsetting to you.
00:27:24.360Did that play a role in the, in the divorce at all in this process?
00:27:28.360Yeah. As I said, it's not one thing. It was many things, but I did not like, uh, that he'd had meetings with Jeffrey Epstein. No.
00:28:26.360And then, of course, the insanity of him hanging himself, killing himself in jail and the security cameras weren't working and the guards were sleeping.
00:28:36.360I think, I think right or left, rich or poor, black or white, I think people realized, oh my God, that is a true story.
00:28:44.360Not just the stuff of, you know, Hollywood rumors or the movie Eyes Wide Shut.
00:28:52.360And so let me ask you about these masters of the universe.
00:28:57.360I think some people said, well, it was all about extortion and blackmail.
00:29:01.360So it was a, it was like a CIA or Mossad operation where every powerful person was compromised and then they could be part of a establishment agenda.
00:29:12.360Okay, that there's some, that rings true.
00:29:15.360But are these people in the center of, of a cult?
00:29:19.360Do they have a quasi religion or do they, do they have some belief system other than power and, and blackmail?
00:29:27.360Like who would, and again, I'm not looking to, I'm not looking for conspiracy theories.
00:29:32.360I'm just looking to understand who would promote this and who would, who would revive the predation of children?
00:29:44.360Well, that's a difficult question without being too speculative.
00:29:48.360But what is less difficult is to see that, uh, what is going on with this, this ideology, the woke ideology, for example, or even communism earlier is actually a revival of these ancient, uh, religions that are decried as heresies, uh, and, and evil in the Bible.
00:30:07.360These are religions known as hermeticism and Gnosticism.
00:30:10.360And it is very likely that people that have been initiated at the highest levels are very aware that they are being given very powerful tools, allegedly tools of transformation, which is of course a word that we see everywhere.
00:30:23.360Now transform this, transform that, the sustainable development goals or 17 goals to transform our world, uh, kind of see this everywhere.
00:30:33.360And the hermetic religion is actually the easiest way to kind of make sense, honestly, of the trans phenomenon as well.
00:30:40.360And so when you see it in that context, who would revive this kind of practice?
00:30:45.360Well, the answer might be hermeticists.
00:30:47.360Hermeticism was an ancient alchemical religion.
00:30:50.360Uh, it's credited to Northern Egypt, uh, in roughly the same time as Socrates or Plato.
00:30:58.360But it must be somewhat earlier because Plato refers to it in the Phaedrus, uh, quite, uh, explicitly.
00:31:05.360So it must predate, uh, Plato by some years.
00:31:09.360And, uh, it's allegedly a religion of, of, of magic, of, uh, of, of magical powers.
00:31:16.360And the goal is, in fact, to realize that you are, in fact, a part of God and that God can't actualize himself as the deity until human beings realize that they, in fact, are God.
00:31:31.360And that, in fact, God will come to know himself through them coming to know themselves.
00:31:37.360And so it has these principles that seem very familiar to the kind of woke behavior.
00:31:49.360Opposites are the same in kind, but different in degree.
00:31:51.360So you see the blurring of boundaries and the mixture of, of concepts to where they are, uh, seen as, as, as, I mean, the technical word is the dialectical opposites.
00:32:02.360Hegel reinvented this religion for the Western context in, in the early 1800s.
00:32:07.360Marx picked up the tools and ran with them.
00:32:10.360And everything, I think, follows from there.
00:32:12.360But there's also this desire to, the, the, the goal with the Hermetic religion is that you are, uh, as a human being, that you are to ascend yourself spiritually and leave your body behind and become a self-begotten being in the, in other words, become your own Christ.
00:32:29.360And you are to become self-begotten at which point, uh, you will be able to re-merge with the, with the one, the total, the all.
00:32:37.360And so we see this kind of, uh, I know it sounds a little bit crazy to say, but with the trans phenomenon, it's very obvious that the goal is in fact to realize that you are other than the way that society has told you that you are.
00:32:51.360And then to make yourself into that image and then make society where they all accept you as you now see yourself.
00:33:00.800And that's in fact exactly how the trans phenomenon works.
00:33:04.280And so there are good reasons to believe that the people who are kind of in the secret halls of power behind this are probably likely aware that they are using kind of Hermetic principles.
00:33:16.700George Soros talks about the alchemy of finance, the alchemy of this, the alchemy of that.
00:33:21.800He says he's an alchemist, but that's Hermetic.
00:33:25.640He very likely knows what he's talking about.
00:33:28.140When we see the trans phenomenon, we see the desire to transcend the body, to leave behind all of its, its, its restrictions and to become a self-begetting entity.
00:33:38.140Uh, another principle is very infamous or famous.
00:33:41.960I, a lot of Westerners believe it's satanic, uh, which is called the principle of correspondence.
00:33:46.880It's as above, so below, and as below, so above.
00:33:50.400And this is actually the model of activism throughout all of Marxism as below.
00:33:55.020So above means that if you go do your praxis and you try to transform the world as a person down in the bottom part of society as below, then you can actually be a historical change agent and transform the society, which is the thing that's above you.
00:34:07.620And so that's praxis, but when the society changes, it will condition everybody and social, socialize everybody into the new view of the world.
00:34:14.600And that's what Marx called the inversion of praxis.
00:34:17.340And so you get that cyclical as above, so below, as below, so above principle of correspondence applied to the activity of praxis and inversion of praxis and Marxism.
00:34:27.440Um, but this is just being applied to the body within the trans cult.
00:34:30.760So I think that it's very likely that the people who've been at the highest levels of initiation in this know that they are organizing a religious cult based on secret knowledge of how to transform reality to be what they want it to be.
00:34:46.840Um, and at least make sense of these otherwise inexplicable sets of behaviors.
00:34:53.120You know, I think you're right about destroying reality, remaking reality, transforming reality, the alchemy.
00:35:00.500There's this enormous push on right now, and it's almost too hard to believe.
00:35:04.760It's straight out of Orwell, by the way.
00:35:07.580You know, Orwell would hold up two fingers and say how many fingers in 1984.
00:35:12.620And the answer was two, but you had to say three.
00:35:15.080You had to force someone to say three.
00:35:16.640And right now in, in woke, uh, education, two plus two equals four is literally being called white supremacist.
00:36:18.600I mean, I remember the old saying, you join the army, they'll break you down and then build you back up into the, into the man they wanted.
00:36:25.600And that, that's a kind of conformity that you want in the military.
00:36:28.280And, and probably it improves your strength and your discipline and your ability to take orders and your skills.
00:37:22.220And for the reasons that you have just explained, they have a commitment to something and a humility before that commitment.
00:37:28.960And that thing is, is truth, whether they call it God, whether they call it the logos, as you see in, in, in, in John chapter one.
00:37:37.840And so what a lot of people have missed about what is a woman is that when the Supreme Court justice that was being, being vetted by the Senate,
00:37:51.200Kentaji Brown Jackson got asked by Marsha Blackburn, Senator Blackburn.
00:37:54.600And I'm proud to say, as my senator, when, when she was asked, what is a woman?
00:37:59.840And she couldn't answer, but she said, I'm, I don't know.