It's not hypocrisy, it's hierarchy. And the only person in the hierarchy who actually obeys the rules is the one who actually breaks the rules. You might be surprised to know who that is. Today's episode is a mashup about why powerful people break the rules that they themselves enforce on you.
00:00:00.080Hello, my Rebels. Today I want to talk to you about why powerful people break the lockdowns that they themselves enforce on you.
00:00:10.580And it's a phrase I've used in the last week or so. It's not hypocrisy, I say. It's hierarchy.
00:00:18.620And I'm going to give you a few examples from the United States, from the United Kingdom, from the world of global warming, and also from, obviously, lockdownism.
00:00:26.980I'll take you through it, and I'll tell you the only person in the hierarchy, in fact, right near the top of it, who actually obeys the rules.
00:00:35.640You might be surprised who it is. So I'd be very curious what you think about my monologue today. It's a little bit different.
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00:01:54.960I was peer pressured into seeing Al Gore's movie, An Inconvenient Truth, 15 years ago.
00:02:05.360I probably would have gone to see it just to know what it was and to know how to rebut it.
00:02:10.880But I didn't like the fact that I went with someone who really liked it and took it at face value.
00:02:15.940Al Gore won both an Oscar and a Nobel Prize for it, which I think tells you more about those organizations than it tells you about Al Gore in the movie.
00:02:29.760But just like me, I don't think Al Gore actually took it at face value himself.
00:02:37.300Even as he was making the movie, part of the movie, he had himself lovingly filmed flying back and forth across the ocean, all around the world, really, in first class, no less.
00:02:50.340I'm not sure what he was thinking artistically to show, I don't know how tireless he was, to show that he was working while on a plane instead of snoozing or watching an in-flight movie.
00:03:02.580I don't know what the message was supposed to be, but the message I got was either that he really wasn't worried about carbon emissions, I mean, flying first class,
00:03:13.080or that he just felt whatever rules he wanted to implement on society wouldn't apply to him himself, obviously.
00:03:22.080John Kerry, another Democrat, has the same attitude.
00:03:25.900He's just too important to follow the rules for the little people.
00:03:29.540On that issue, pollution, I understand that you came here with a private jet.
00:03:33.820Is that an environmental way to travel?
00:03:36.580If you offset your carbon, it's the only choice for somebody like me who is traveling the world to win this battle.
00:03:45.480It's the only choice for someone like me.
00:07:28.500Or this question from Anderson Cooper.
00:07:31.320You know, I had several dinners with him, you know, hoping that what he said about getting billions of philanthropy for global health through contacts that he had might emerge.
00:07:47.920You know, when it looked like that wasn't a real thing, that relationship ended.
00:07:52.100But it was a huge mistake to spend time with him, to give him the credibility of, you know, being there.
00:07:59.000There were lots of others in that same situation, but I made a mistake.
00:08:04.840Bill Gates' wife literally divorced him because of what he was doing with Epstein.
00:10:41.600Except for the Queen is not evading taxes like those rocket ship billionaires are that I mentioned.
00:10:48.220She legally is exempt from paying taxes, but 30 years ago she decided she was going to pay them anyways as a sign of solidarity with the people.
00:10:59.040The Queen has castles and whatnot, but they're hundreds of years old, but she does not live as lavishly as American president or the French president or the Russian president do.
00:11:11.560She's actually quite modest by comparison.
00:11:14.340I mean, compare her motorcade with Joe Biden's motorcade.
00:11:18.740But in fairness, he has many more nurses and doctors than she does, and she's about to turn 96.
00:11:25.660But let me show you the woman who truly has legal, constitutional, political, historical hierarchy over you and me as Canadian subjects to her.
00:12:00.720That is because some cruel health bureaucrat said so.
00:12:05.880And the Queen, who could literally, legally, constitutionally do whatever she pleases, including, I presume, fire those bureaucrats.
00:12:14.480I mean, the legal name of the British government is Her Majesty's Government, if you can believe it.
00:12:20.560She actually obeyed her servants, not like Bezos and Gates.
00:12:27.080The Queen of the United Kingdom and Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Queen of Canada, the Queen of Australia, and a dozen other Commonwealth countries.
00:12:34.600That Queen obeyed her foolish servants with her trademark dignity, even though she probably knew it was all bollocks, as they say over there.
00:12:45.520But she did it because, for a woman of hierarchy, she strives to sympathize and care for the lowly as much as for the high.
00:12:53.900And I tell you this because look at what is happening across in the UK right now.
00:13:01.320Boris Johnson, while imposing harsh restrictions on the country, invited his own staff to a bring-your-own-booze party.
00:13:09.000But of course he did, and of course it stayed secret for a year.
00:13:14.580Because do you doubt that the entire media class in the United Kingdom has been going to parties, too?
00:13:20.500While scorching mere citizens for doing, you know, private gatherings of more than six people.
00:13:27.740What reporter could possibly criticize Boris Johnson for having a party when they themselves either went to that party or went to their own media party?
00:13:35.060Literally, literally everyone in charge of implementing the lockdown in the UK broke the lockdown in the UK.
00:13:41.640One of my favorite or least favorite stories, I don't know, is Professor Neil Ferguson, the chief doomsayer and lockdown activist in the UK.
00:13:49.880He was caught having an affair running all over the city, breaking his own lockdown rules to have an affair.
00:13:56.920He resigned, though the media still go to him for his wisdom and judgment.
00:14:00.680But the health minister at the time, Matt Hancock, criticized Ferguson, which is sort of bold.
00:14:09.600Because Hancock was also using the lockdown as an opportunity to have an affair with a lobbyist.
00:14:15.620They were both cheating on their own families, caught by a surveillance camera.
00:14:21.540So imagine how many people in the ruling class have been going to secret parties or breaking the rules or having an affair.
00:14:29.540Do they actually do any work over there between their parties and their affairs?
00:14:33.060I'm going to say most of the ruling class has broken the rules.
00:14:37.340Some of the stupider ones, like Matt Hancock, will condemn other rule breakers, hoping they themselves won't get caught.
00:14:44.320But really, if you're caught, what does an additional charge of hypocrisy mean?
00:14:48.000But that's my theory for why a party where dozens or even hundreds of people knew about it stayed secret for so long in a world of gossip because the entire political media establishment, the whole class, was in on it.
00:15:02.140Or if not in in that particular party, they were in on another party, so they couldn't criticize.
00:15:08.760Like this, an announcement today from Kate Josephs.
00:15:12.360As people know, I previously worked in the Cabinet Office COVID Task Force, where I was Director General.
00:15:40.560But if you're actually sorry about what you did, you could have come clean over the past year in any number of ways you didn't, you'd try to get away with it.
00:15:49.180You're sorry you got caught, that's all.
00:15:51.580Do you really think she'll suffer at all?
00:15:54.280Guess again, she's now the CEO of the city of Sheffield.
00:16:19.420The worst thing about all these illicit Downing Street parties is they will make COVID skeptics and anti-lockdowners feel vindicated in their suspicions that the virus was never that dangerous.
00:16:32.720Or why would the people running the country all be ignoring the rules so brazenly?
00:16:38.100No, Piers, that's not the worst thing about it.
00:16:54.220Well, nowhere in the free world that I know about was the curve not flattened.
00:16:58.580Simply didn't turn into the zombie apocalypse that the fear monger said.
00:17:02.200Everything after those first two weeks was theater.
00:17:04.180We knew very early that masks didn't work, that the disease focused on seniors, and to be clear, fat seniors with underlying health problems.
00:17:13.840It's about the same level of terrifying as the annual flu.
00:17:17.280And the Omicron variant is actually less terrifying than the flu.
00:20:36.280That's an agency, and so it's an agency that governs workplace safety and enacts rules and regulations designed to, you know, make workplaces safe for employees.
00:20:52.760So this affected about 84 million Americans would be subject to this mandate.
00:20:56.260And then the other three were federal employees had to get the vaccine, federal contractors, and then health care workers.
00:21:04.840So the OSHA one, because, you know, this was important because it was the biggest one.
00:21:09.940And basically what the court said was that OSHA was designed to address workplace hazards, not a disease that's sort of omnipresent in the world at this point.
00:21:17.860So, you know, it's really about, like, getting access to a helmet if you're a construction worker or making sure that the office where you spend eight hours a day doesn't have asbestos.
00:21:25.980And one way in which the court drew a distinction was to say, well, you can't take your vaccine away at the end of the workday.
00:21:33.340So this was a very important decision for Liberty.
00:21:37.280I should be clear that this does not really create precedents for state mandates, which are usually based on sort of the state's 10th Amendment police power.
00:21:45.460And this was really about executive overreach.
00:21:47.500So this doesn't mean that all vaccine mandates are going away in the United States.
00:21:50.780I saw a reference in the ruling to a tweet made by Joe Biden's chief of staff that this was a workaround, that making an executive order to tackle 84 million people was a workaround Congress, a way of avoiding that.
00:22:05.840Obviously, that caught the judge's attention and it said, yeah, we know what you're doing here.
00:22:09.760I think that's what you're getting at when it was more a technical win.
00:22:13.460And what were the what were the other reasons that the court ruled this way?
00:22:19.360And can you tell us what was the what was the division of the judges?
00:22:23.060Because quite often it's a very narrow decision.
00:22:26.480How many judges were for the mandates and how many votes have struck them down, struck them down?
00:22:30.700There was only three were actually for the mandates, the ones who are considered the liberal branch of the court.
00:22:36.660That's Breyer, Kagan and Sotomayor, who also made some shocking misstatements of fact at argument a week ago.
00:22:42.640For instance, Justice Sotomayor said something like that there were hundreds of thousands or 100,000 kids in critical condition from COVID, which is just absurd.
00:22:54.660But as far as other aspects of the decision that were important, well, the major questions doctrine played a large role.
00:23:02.020So that's that's a doctrine that says if Congress wanted something that's so big, you know, this is so big that this affects so many people, it's going to have massive economic implications.
00:23:12.580Congress would have spoken directly to that.
00:23:14.640So you can't just read this authority into the OSHA statute.
00:23:17.400And so, again, this was like this was an important case for limiting executive overreach, for limiting agencies' ability to just do whatever they want and run roughshod over people's liberties.
00:23:28.720Now, let me ask you a procedural question, because, again, I'm just so jealous of the way your law works here.
00:24:22.120So they were basically saying, we don't want to.
00:24:24.060You're forcing us to implement this vaccine mandate.
00:24:26.460It's going to harm us economically because people will quit.
00:24:28.980We're going to have trouble replacing those people.
00:24:31.200So that was the harm that was alleged.
00:24:32.960It wasn't really about a personal harm because it wasn't so much people say, you know, it wasn't really about people not wanting to get the vaccine.
00:24:39.540As far as the procedural aspect and how this got there so quickly.
00:24:42.660Well, this was a preliminary injunction or an appeal from a preliminary injunction.
00:24:46.960So that's a motion that you make when you need immediate relief in court.
00:24:51.500And one of the things that you have to show you.
00:24:53.200So you have to show a substantial likelihood of success on the merits.
00:24:56.160So you basically have to make your case and then you have to show irreparable harm.
00:25:00.040So irreparable harm typically can't be monetary damages, although there's sort of an exception when you're assuming the U.S. government.
00:25:07.320But so courts have held around the country that it actually is irreparable harm to be forced to get a vaccine because you can't undo that.
00:25:15.220And you might do that so that you don't lose your job, et cetera.
00:25:18.380And so here the businesses were alleging the irreparable harm of, you know, basically being financially ruined.
00:25:24.420In fact, the court didn't really address that issue.
00:25:28.400So I think everybody sort of agreed on it.
00:25:30.420But when you are able to make that showing, then things can happen very fast.
00:25:34.100So typically this would start in the district court, which is the lowest federal court, and then go to the court of appeals, a circuit court of appeals, and then the Supreme Court if they agreed to hear it.
00:25:42.880There's a peculiarity of the OSHA statute that it actually just starts in the court of appeals.
00:25:49.160So this case originated actually in the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals.
00:26:17.320You know, typically injunctions, I mean, although technically they're not the end, you can, you know, continue with the underlying lawsuit.
00:26:23.580Typically the court has said what it thinks, you know, because they're saying substantial likelihood of success on the merits.
00:26:28.740They're saying, you know, it's basically a ruling.
00:26:32.440So in this case, there were six judges who voted to strike down the mandate.
00:26:38.140I believe, sorry, I'm pretty sure it was two.
00:26:42.360Had it, no, that was the per curium opinion.
00:26:45.620So a couple of them thought that the rule was too broad.
00:26:51.340But you could have a similar rule if it was limited to workplaces where COVID spreads more quickly.
00:26:56.080That was actually the per curium opinion, the main opinion.
00:26:59.740The justices who wrote a concurring opinion, I think, didn't agree with that.
00:27:03.360So Biden theoretically could come back with a narrower rule, say, and say like, oh, well, meat packing plants or a place like that where the virus spreads really readily, they have to implement this.
00:27:16.640And one reason I don't think that they will is one of the problems the court seemed to have with this mandate was that it was done pursuant to its emergency, its ability to issue a regulation on an emergency basis.
00:27:27.680And they seem to doubt some of that, like so the public doesn't have the opportunity to notice and to comment in these circumstances.
00:27:37.160And so I think they don't want to go through the regular procedure because then once people give notice and comment, I'm not sure that it would actually go through.
00:27:45.440So I'm guessing this is effectively dead, to put it, you know, to sum up.
00:27:49.140I understand that one of the Supreme Court justices, one of Trump's appointments, Amy Coney Barrett, asked that question.
00:28:20.420And everything from the emergency use authorization for the vaccines for the to other draconian powers that are not normally in even in Canada, let alone America.
00:29:44.580So the health care workers mandate was also ruled on yesterday and there it went the opposite way.
00:29:50.580Roberts joined the the dissenters in the other case.
00:29:57.340So that and the judge basically what it was, was the judge is just it was sort of a workplace specific thing.
00:30:04.000If you're working around the most vulnerable people in hospitals, et cetera, you have to be vaccinated.
00:30:07.680I still don't agree that this makes sense, particularly when you were, you know, they don't make an exemption for people with natural immunity, which is a large portion of health care workers since they were on the front lines during COVID.
00:30:19.860But, you know, this affects a much smaller number of people.
00:30:23.640So I suppose if I had to choose the OSHA mandate, it's more important.
00:30:27.820As for the others, there's the federal contractor mandate, which I think affects about 20 million Americans.
00:30:32.820And that one has been stayed nationwide by a district court in Georgia.
00:30:38.400So it's actually not technically in effect.
00:30:40.620I anticipate that it probably won't go to the Supreme Court because that legal basis for enacting that mandate is even more tenuous.
00:30:48.560So I'm guessing the government's not going to keep pushing it because they're going to be worried about creating bad law.
00:30:52.900And then we have the federal employees.
00:30:55.100So people who are actually employees of the federal government.
00:30:58.000Our office has a lawsuit challenging that right now.
00:31:01.220And there's actually been sort of there's a new development there because we hadn't been able to move for a preliminary injunction recently because the federal government said they weren't going to start disciplining people till after the new year.
00:31:16.540But some of our plaintiffs just got letters threatening them with, you know, discipline and termination if they don't get the vaccine.
00:31:22.480So we may be seeking some sort of emergency relief in that case.
00:31:25.480I want to shift gears and I know this isn't your turf.
00:31:31.000I mean, you've been very focused on American litigation.
00:31:34.720But probably out of the corner of your eye, you've been following the case of one of the world's great tennis players, Novak Djokovic from Serbia, who applied for an exemption to get a visa and to play in the Australian Open.
00:31:47.020And he filled out all the paperwork and there were panels that reviewed it and he got the exemption because he had COVID.
00:31:56.560In fact, it was very public that he had it and he recovered from it and he had natural immunity and the state of Victoria, Australia approved it all.
00:32:06.120But there was a bit of a media kerfuffle.
00:32:07.560So when they when he landed, they revoked that and detained him.
00:32:12.280But he he went to court and had any going back and forth.
00:32:19.820But it shows that in many jurisdictions, natural immunity is a thing.
00:32:24.100I know in the United Kingdom, in many instances, even in Israel, if you can show natural immunity, you're exempt from these forced jabs.
00:32:34.480What's the state of natural immunity litigation and legislation in America?
00:32:41.140Well, so far, there has been not much recognition of natural immunity.
00:32:45.700I don't quite understand what's going on there.
00:32:48.260And in fact, all of our cases so far have been brought on behalf of people who have natural immunity.
00:32:52.140It sort of seems like the most logical people that you should grant vaccine exemptions to.
00:32:57.000But the courts have been willing to defer basically to the agencies, the CDC and the FDA, who have been saying, if you're naturally immune, you should still get the vaccine.
00:33:12.060There's you know, it's just very illogical.
00:33:14.400In fact, I tweeted something about this the other day.
00:33:17.640We have a client who's a doctor in Rhode Island who has natural immunity and who has had his medical license suspended or revoked because he didn't want to get the vaccine.
00:33:26.500And he also had a history of Bell's palsy.
00:33:28.220So he's worried about getting the vaccine.
00:33:30.640What's ironic is because Rhode Island is facing a shortage of health care workers, they're actually allowing people who have active COVID infections to treat patients so long as they wear a mask.
00:33:40.440But our naturally immune client, who also wears a mask when he practices, can't treat patients.
00:33:53.520In fact, doctors who grant exemptions to patients are being investigated and suspended in Canada, too.
00:34:00.060I mean, it couldn't be more on point with the Nuremberg Code and the lessons that were supposedly learned in the 40s from the Nazi doctors.
00:34:11.120I started by complaining that here in Canada we have not had a single substantive win in court.
00:34:17.800Individual cases, quite often the authorities or the institutions bend the knee and quietly make an exception because they don't want to have a full-blown trial.
00:35:00.920First time I've ever seen a Democrat fact-checked by an official fact-checker.
00:35:05.480But to me that shows that, you know, people in their 60s and 70s who are in official circles and sort of cloistered from the world, they're probably the most afraid of COVID of anyone in society because they're old themselves.
00:35:18.700Maybe they're fat, maybe they have an underlying health condition.
00:35:30.460Like I think there's no one in the world who would be more sympathetic to upholding a mandate than a 70-year-old Supreme Court judge.
00:35:38.200I mean just everything about their life would say, yeah, let's be careful, abundance of caution.
00:35:45.640So if even six out of nine Supremes say, nah, this has gone too far, to me that's a sign that the whole of society, including important parts of the establishment, have realized there was an overreach.
00:36:22.340So New York was the first to implement a vaccine passport program basically where you have to show vaccine card and ID to get into anything indoors, theater, restaurant, gym.
00:36:32.180It was a complete failure, complete in every way.
00:36:40.780And instead of learning a lesson from that, all of these other cities, Boston, Chicago, Minneapolis, St. Paul now, D.C. are doing the same thing.
00:36:49.700So I think what's happening is that there's just more and more of a divide, and it's sort of hardening people's positions.
00:36:55.820So, you know, so the federal, sorry, this decision that affects the federal mandate is good, especially for people who live in red states.
00:37:04.240But I don't, it's not really helping with the, you know, with the daily lives of people who live in blue jurisdictions.
00:37:09.360I really think your best bet if you want to be free is to move to Texas or Florida or something like that.
00:37:14.300Yeah, well, we all saw the data of states people are leaving and states people are moving to, and it really tracks this COVID lockdown legislation.
00:37:25.460Same thing in Australia, by the way, that state of Victoria has had a net out migration of people.
00:37:32.700I know I've kept you longer than we said we would.
00:37:34.960I have a, I notice that the high priests and priestesses of the COVID lockdownists have started to make concessions that, you know, a few months ago would have got you banned from Facebook or Twitter for saying.
00:37:52.640Even Albert Bourla, the head of Pfizer, said the first two jabs don't really protect you from Omicron.
00:37:58.680You see the CDC and the FDA changing their thoughts on everything from masks that have been cultishly followed for over a year and quarantines.
00:38:10.640Like, I feel like, and even their narrative of what we have to live with COVID, we have to get used to it as endemic.
00:38:17.380I sense that they feel a reckoning is coming at the ballot box in the midterms, and I sense that that may sober them up.
00:38:27.820So you're pessimistic about the blue jurisdictions, but I think that the fact that some of the keepers of the narrative are saying, hey, maybe let's just pump the brakes a bit, that tells me they think that a reckoning is coming.
00:39:02.380So to an extent, I do think that's happening.
00:39:04.500And I obviously, you know, as a former Democrat, I hear from people every day who, you know, are changing their minds as this goes on and on and on.
00:39:10.840And in New York City, for instance, they're actually trying to mandate N95s for children now, which health care workers say are, you know, suffocating, impossible to tolerate for long periods of time.
00:39:21.300And we're putting them on little kids who face no risk of this disease with, you know, readily available vaccines for those who want them.
00:39:27.920And, you know, they increase the chance of severe symptoms of COVID or sorry, decrease the chance of severe symptoms of COVID.
00:39:48.720The mayor in New York, you know, if they if they're not about to be held democratically accountable, then they're just basically behaving like tyrants.
00:39:56.140Yeah. Well, it's so good to catch up with you.
00:40:02.240I love the name of it, the New Civil Liberties Alliance.
00:40:06.000Janine, you and the rest of your team and other great litigators around America who have taken the place left by groups like the ACLU once upon a time, they would have fought against this tyranny.
00:41:26.780Well, how is that a conservative thing?
00:41:28.920Well, you know what works and you don't because you're a craftsman and you've been doing it for, you know, it's a trade, but it's also in a way an art.
00:41:36.620And how do you put the mortar in and how do you do this and how do you do that?
00:41:40.860And let's say you've been doing it for 20 years.
00:41:42.780You know it works and you know it doesn't.
00:41:44.360And you know what you were like when you were a junior and the mistakes a beginner could make.
00:41:47.820And that's why there's an apprenticeship program.
00:41:49.640But let's say someone comes in and says, no, I don't want to do it that way.
00:41:56.180But you haven't mastered the craft yet.
00:41:59.200So you know what you don't like, but you have no clue about how to, you don't even want to tear down, but you have no clue about how you want to build it.
00:42:06.480People are conservative about the things they know the most about because they know about them.
00:42:13.060And I think that the radicals, the communists, as I said, in Trudeau's cabinet have one thing in common.
00:42:20.560They've never actually done something.
00:42:23.420Catherine McKenna, luckily, no longer in cabinet.
00:42:36.080Can you name for me anyone in a significant position in cabinet who was actually a serious builder, entrepreneur, leader, someone who actually knows something about something?
00:43:30.160I mean, Ronald McDonald House is a worthy charity.
00:43:32.880They've just made a disastrously wrong decision.
00:43:35.620I'm not sure if cutting them off is the right thing.
00:43:38.000I think they need an attitude readjustment.
00:43:40.000I don't know how that would come about.
00:43:42.880Yeah, I mean, and that's that we see that in the Salvation Army as well.
00:43:46.840We see that even nurses, doctors, paramedics literally firing life-saving people because they didn't get a jab.
00:43:54.160And as we talked to Janine today, why are you firing people of natural immunity that's in many cases as strong, if not stronger, than vaccine immunity?
00:44:05.000Roddy998 says, I won't be contributing to the Ronald McDonald House candidate again.
00:47:16.100Moi, j'ai fait les deux premiers vaccins. Je ne voulais pas les faire. Au final, je les ai faits. Ma famille n'est pas vaccinée. Malheureusement, on veut quitter le pays, mais ma mère et ma soeur ne sont pas vaccinées, donc ils ne veulent même pas prendre l'avion pour quitter. Si c'était possible et très facile de quitter la province, je l'aurais fait. Ça fait longtemps.
00:47:36.760Bien, on ne peut pas bouger, anyway. Ça va être difficile de changer de province si on n'est pas vacciné. Mais oui, c'est dans nos pensées éventuelles.
00:47:44.320Je suis en mesure de faire des déplacements vers les États-Unis avec ma famille.
00:47:58.540Probablement plus vers l'ouest, l'Alberta ou la Colombie-Britannique.
00:48:03.440Ce n'est pas encore décidé, mais le sud de Costa Rica.
00:48:07.340Vous avez un premier ministre au Canada et un premier ministre au Québec qui divise la population et fait en sorte de dire aux gens qui ne sont pas vaccinés qu'ils sont des mauvais citoyens.
00:48:21.360Pour nous, il n'y a pas de mauvais ou de bons citoyens.
00:48:23.760Est-ce que vous pensez que si on est en mesure sanitaire en ce moment, c'est la faute des non-vaccinés?
00:48:28.920Oui, absolument. Dans mon opinion, oui.
00:48:31.220Non, je ne pense pas à ça. Pas du tout.
00:48:34.460J'ai l'impression que soit le gouvernement ne sait pas quoi faire et cherche à qui mettre la faute, soit elle juste nous montre.
00:48:42.740Écoute, moi, je fais quelque chose, je vous impose les mesures.
00:48:45.680Mais je n'aime pas la rhétorique qui me fait sous-entendre votre question.
00:48:49.920Je n'aime pas la division de la population en deux.
00:48:52.280Non, non, je ne crois pas que c'est à cause des non-vaccinés.
00:48:55.800Non, je crois que c'est à cause du gouvernement, parce qu'il n'y a pas assez de travailleurs dans les secteurs.
00:49:03.660C'est pour cela. Ce n'est pas pour la santé.
00:50:26.780Un peu, oui, mais on sait faire autrement.
00:50:28.280Moi, je n'ai pas besoin du tout d'aller à la SAQ ou à la SQDC.
00:50:31.560Si il y a la SAQ et la SQDC qui sont ouverts, c'est bien.
00:50:34.440Si ce n'est pas ouvert pour moi, c'est pareil, complètement pareil.
00:50:37.940Pensez-vous que les non-vaccinés devraient rester en cabanée chez eux avec seulement possibilité de livraison?
00:50:43.980Pas du tout, non, pas du tout. Absolument.
00:50:47.040Je ne sais pas. Je ne sais pas, honnêtement.
00:50:48.980C'est un peu excessif parce que si on met des masques, même si on n'est pas vacciné, on n'est pas nécessairement dangereux pour les autres.
00:50:59.480Si on ne met pas les autres en danger, si on suit les consignes, je pense que c'est un peu excessif de garder les gens chez eux.
00:51:05.720Pensez-vous que le système de santé ne devrait pas être autorisé aux non-vaccinés?
00:51:43.340C'est de la propagande. C'est de la propagande pure et simple.
00:51:48.660Franchement, moi, c'est arrivé à un stade où je ne peux même plus aller sur la presse ou sur n'importe quel site parce que ça me met hors de moi.
00:51:57.300Ça n'a pas sa place. Ils nous traitent comme des déchets.
00:52:03.160On est des humains à même titre que n'importe quel humain. C'est de la discrimination au cutoff.
00:52:09.160C'est de la psychose. C'est une psychose.
00:52:12.160C'est pareil comme les nœuds des années 1930.
00:53:55.900Si on veut vacciner notre peuple, puis si on veut que c'est obligatoire,
00:54:00.880ça ne fait aucun sens qu'on ne veut pas partager nos vaccins.
00:54:04.700Parce que c'est vraiment une culture que les gros pays du monde développés
00:54:09.140ne veulent pas partager les vaccins avec les autres gens du monde
00:54:12.980qui sont moins développés et moins de ressources.
00:54:16.340Donc, si on veut obliger les gens de ce pays à le faire,
00:54:19.960puis on ne partage pas, ça ne sert à aucun point.
00:54:22.900Parce qu'on ne va pas avoir, on va avoir un nouvel variant dans un couple d'années, un année-ci.
00:54:28.380Et combien de doses vous êtes prêts à prendre?
00:54:30.540Moi, je serais prête à prendre la troisième dose, mais après, je ne pense pas que j'irais plus loin.
00:54:34.420Et là, on veut faire de la ségrégation et on commence à mettre dans la tête des gens que ça serait normal d'empêcher un Québécois de se faire soigner à l'hôpital
00:54:43.500parce qu'il a décidé de ne pas être vacciné.
00:54:46.480Lorsqu'on commence un discours comme ça, il n'y a pas de limite.
00:54:50.420Est-ce qu'on va dire que quelqu'un qui est obèse et qui est diabétique ne devrait pas avoir de soins de santé
00:54:56.420parce qu'il ne prend pas soins de sa santé ou qu'il ne fait pas attention?
00:54:59.940Non, il faut respecter les choix de chacun et tout le monde est payé de par leurs impôts
00:55:04.320et tout le monde devrait avoir le droit de profiter de ces soins de santé-là s'ils en ont besoin.
00:55:09.880Donc, la marche vient de terminer juste ici à Place-Jacques-Cartier.
00:55:23.340On a interrogé les deux côtés de l'histoire.
00:55:25.900Ça fait intéressant de savoir leurs opinions à ce sujet.
00:55:29.900J'espère que vous avez aimé ce reportage.
00:55:32.920Et si vous voulez, continuez à nous suivre.