EZRA LEVANT ｜ Justin Trudeau has introduced the worst censorship law of any western democracy
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Justin Trudeau has introduced the worst censorship law of any Western democracy, and it's actually quite terrifying. Today, I take you through Bill C-36, which is the second liberal censorship law that was just sprung on us yesterday. It brings back censorship of the internet which is frankly expected, but it does something completely unexpected: it creates a kind of pre-crime that I ve never seen before in any democracy in the world.
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Hello, my rebels. Today, I take you through Bill C-36, which is the second liberal censorship law.
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It was just sprung on us yesterday. I finally read through it. It brings back censorship of
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the internet, which is frankly expected, but it does something completely unexpected.
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It creates a kind of thought crime, pre-crime that I've never seen before in any democracy
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in the world. I'll take you through it. It's actually quite terrifying. We've got a petition
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to sign two, by the way. That'll be in today's show. Before we get to that, let me invite you
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Tonight, Justin Trudeau has introduced the worst censorship law of any Western democracy.
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It's June 24th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
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There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
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The only thing I have to say to the government of a wire publisher is because it's my bloody
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Yesterday, the Trudeau liberals introduced their second censorship bill called C-36.
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It's not to be confused with their first censorship bill, C-10. It helps to look at these things
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in a logical order. C-10, their censorship bill that just passed the House of Commons,
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allows the liberal government to take over the internet in Canada. It puts things under
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government jurisdiction. It lets the government regulate websites like rebelnews.com in the same
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manner they've always regulated big TV broadcasters and radio stations. So Trudeau is now the boss of
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YouTube in Canada. He's the boss of Facebook. But this next bill that was just introduced yesterday,
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it had to wait until the first one was through the House of Commons because they didn't want anyone
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to see the next step in their plan until the first step was already taken. Bill C-36 is called
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an act to amend the Criminal Code and Canadian Human Rights Act and to make related amendments to
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another act. Hate propaganda, hate crimes, and hate speech. Okay, well hate propaganda is already in
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our criminal code. Did you know that? I don't think it should be. I don't think hate propaganda
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should be a crime. I don't like hate propaganda. I don't like people calling for genocide or things
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like that. But I just don't think having terrible ideas in itself is a crime. Section 318 of our criminal
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code makes it a crime to advocate for genocide. Section 319 makes it a crime to incite hatred. I think it should
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be a crime to incite violence. But hatred is a feeling. It's a human emotion. I think it's just
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bizarre to make emotions, even bad emotions, into crimes. It's actions we want to criminalize.
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Actions that hurt people, not what you think or feel. My point is those are, for better or for worse,
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already in our criminal law. But this new bill goes much, much further. I have read this bill through
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twice now. And I have to say, this is the worst law I have ever seen in a Western democracy. And by the
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way, I'm going to ask you to go to stopc36.com and sign our petition against it. And I'll tell you what
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we'll do with that later. This law, C36, legislates cancel culture in the worst way. I'll take you through
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it. Normally, I would just summarize the law. But I think it's important that you see the details for
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yourself. It's been about 24 hours. And I actually haven't seen much media treatment of certain parts
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of this bill at all, which is odd. It's not a very long bill. It's 26 pages in total. But six of those
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pages are blank or just sort of title pages. And half of it is the French version. So there's only
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about 10 pages of reading involved. It's not that long. So how did the media miss the worst part of it?
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Here, let's just go through it. Remember, the central purpose of this bill, as you can see from
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its title, is to ban hate. So obviously, they have to define hate. And they say,
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hatred means the emotion that involves detestation or vilification, and that is stronger than dislike
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or disdain. I think it's really weird to pass criminal laws about emotions. I think it's an
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attempt to play God, to tell people how they're supposed to feel and supposed to think. You can't
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command someone to feel a certain way. You can't pass a law commanding love or banning hate. And the
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audacity to think that you can, that arrogance, I'm guessing that will actually create more hate.
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Hate comes from an underlying sense of a grievance, whether that grievance is justified or not.
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You may have a very good reason to feel hate, or you might have a terrible reason. It might be
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based on bigotry or fear. But unless that underlying grievance issue is dealt with,
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the government coming along and simply saying to stop feel, to stop you from feeling a certain way,
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it's not going to convince you to stop feeling a certain way. Probably make it worse.
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So you hear that first part, detestation and vilification, and that is stronger than dislike
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or disdain. All right. But then they say this, for greater certainty, the communication of a
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statement does not incite or promote hatred for the purpose of the detection solely because it
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discredits, humiliates, hurts, or offends. What? So if you humiliate someone, hurt them,
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and offend them, that doesn't necessarily mean you've committed hate. So it's stronger than
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dislike or disdain, but maybe not humiliation. Can you imagine entire trials being held about this?
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I'll tell you what that word salad really means. I think it's designed to be vague on purpose,
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so that it means whatever the government wants it to mean at any given moment. Justin Trudeau,
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I'm sorry to say it, he's full of hatred for people he doesn't like, i.e. his political
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opponents. Trudeau constantly calls his opponents racist and sexist and homophobic. So does the rest
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of his cabinet. They even call their enemies Nazis sometimes. But by having such vague and subjective
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definitions in the law, they can guarantee that they will only prosecute their enemy's hatred,
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never their own hatred. Trudeau's full of hate, but he'll never be prosecuted under this.
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Or put another way, we're all guilty of hate. We just have to know who the government's going to
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choose to prosecute. Every single human hates something and loves something and is sad about
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something. It's part of our humanity. It's part of our healthy, normal personalities. Part of being
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a good person is learning how to control your darker emotions, hatred, sorrow, jealousy, etc.,
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and to express them positively and to work on them. I think some of the best people among us take their
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darker feelings and transform them into something constructive, whether it's just energy for hard
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work or even art or positive political change. I think hatred, a sense of injustice or hurt at an
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underlying grievance, is a major motivation for people to fix the world, to fix that underlying
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grievance, wouldn't you? The best people take something they hate and are inspired to fix it.
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So I think we're all guilty of these thought crimes, these emotion crimes. We just are.
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So now it comes down to who will be prosecuted, since we're all guilty. This is cancel culture turned
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into law. Now here's the part of the bill everyone expected. Eight years ago, Stephen Harper and the
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Conservatives repealed the censorship provision in the Human Rights Act. It's being replaced with very
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similar language. I'll just read it to you. Communication of hate speech. It is a discriminatory
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practice to communicate or cause to be communicated hate speech by means of the internet or other means
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of telecommunication in a context in which the hate speech is likely to foment detestation or
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vilification of an individual or group of individuals on the basis of a prohibitive
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ground of discrimination. It's a lot of words there. So that's what I was charged with 15 years
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ago when I published the Danish cartoons of Mohammed. Publishing something likely to, that is maybe it
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will, maybe it won't, foment detestation or vilification. Back then they used the word hate, same things
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I think. But who knows if something will foment hate? I mean, that's so subjective. When you watch
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that old movie Schindler's List, you know, the one about the Holocaust, maybe you come away with,
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what's that phrase? Detesting or vilifying Germans. I mean, it's also subjective and it's also future tense,
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likely to foment bad feelings. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. But these days, with a professional
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class of official offense takers, of people who are perpetually upset with things, perpetually mad,
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perpetually aggrieved, we're really giving the most thin-skinned person in the room the ability
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to decide what's legal or not. But look at this innovation. This wasn't here in the law when Harper
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repealed it. For the purposes of subsection one, a person who communicates or causes to be communicated
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hate speech continues to do so for as long as the hate speech remains public and the person can remove
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or block access to it. So if you wrote something dumb on Twitter or Facebook five or ten years ago
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and it's still up there, you're still guilty of that hate crime today. Unlike every other kind of
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law you can think of, there's no statute of limitations. For most lawsuits, you have two
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years to go to court. Not for internet thought crimes. If you publish something, I don't know,
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way back in the day on MySpace or Friendster, decades ago when you were a teenager, you're still breaking
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the law today. That's what this law says. But look at this. This is officially crazy. Complaints about hate
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speech can now be made in secret. And the secret complainants can get up to 20 grand in cash from
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their target for making a complaint. Let me read it. Non-disclosure of identity. The commission may
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deal with a complaint in relation to a discriminatory practice described in section 13 without disclosing
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to the person against whom the complaint was filed or to any other person the identity of the
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alleged victim. The individual or group of individuals who has filed the complaint or
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any individual who has given evidence or assisted the commission in any way in dealing with the
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complaint. If the commission considers there is a real and substantial risk that any of those
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individuals will be subjected to threats, intimidation, or discrimination. And remember,
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they describe discrimination as hard feelings. So just secret courts now. Secret witnesses,
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secret complaints made by secret complainants. So who keeps filing complaints against you? Is it your
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ex-wife or your ex-husband? Is it a disgruntled former employee? Maybe a business partner you had a
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falling out with? Someone with a grudge? Is it a vexatious litigant? Someone like Richard Worman or
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Yaniv who just kept filing complaint after complaint as a malicious hobby? Or is it one of the many lobby
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groups funded by the liberal government who actually go around and stir up trouble and file complaints
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against conservatives and other enemies of the left? We showed you how a disgraced group with the ironic
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name Canadian Anti-Hate Network signed a contract for a quarter million dollars with the liberal
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government specifically to hunt conservatives on the internet and file complaints about them.
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Secret complaints about you? So much for your ancient right of being able to face your accuser.
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The law also gives these kangaroo courts the power to order the media not to reveal the identity of the
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complainers either. One of the reasons our justice system is public is so that there can be no hidden
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agendas. But here not only is there no disincentive to nasty, woke, professional complainers,
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but there are actually rewards too. Unlike in a real court, you don't even have to pay for a lawyer
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with your own money. Trudeau will take care of all that for you, but you will get a huge 20 grand windfall
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if you win. Here's what you can get if you complain that someone said something hateful about you on the
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internet. In order to cease the discriminatory practice and take measures in consultation with the
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commission on the general purposes and measures to redress the practice or to prevent the same
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or similar practice from reoccurring. Remember, they're talking about just hate speech, right?
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They're not actually talking about crimes like stabbing someone or robbing something. They're
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talking about emotion crimes. You said something that caused another person to have hard feelings
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about a third person. How do you stop that from recurring? Are you going to jail someone? Are you
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going to literally duct tape their mouths? Actually, yeah, they have jailed people in the past. The very
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first case of hate speech decades ago under the Human Rights Commission, they sent someone to jail.
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The very first target, he was a 70-year-old man, some cranky guy who wouldn't unplug his telephone
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answering machine. This was back before voicemail. This was like in the 90s. He had an old
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answering machine that had like an outgoing tape and an incoming tape. He put racist messages on his
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telephone answering machine. He wouldn't delete them. So they threw him in jail. That's what they're going to do.
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So what else? Well, in order to pay compensation of not more than $20,000 that any victim personally
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identified in the communication that constituted the discriminatory practice. So 20 grand for being the
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subject of a mean tweet, eh? And you never have to reveal your identity to complain. Where's the cash?
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I mean, sign me up. I'm kidding. I'm the subject of hate every day from liberals. But you see,
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that's the good kind of hate, to hate conservatives. I'll never get to put my enemies on trial in a
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secret court with a $20,000 payoff to me. But I bet you I'll be targeted by this court, don't you think?
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$20,000 to the secret complainer. Plus, pay another $50,000 to Trudeau. Let me read.
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In order to pay a penalty of not more than $50,000 to the receiver general. So it's worse than it even
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was before Harper repealed the law. The penalties are much higher. The complainant gets to keep his
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identity secret. Warman and Yaniv will love that. So it's as bad as everyone thought. But that's not
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really what this law is about. That's the distraction. That's what the media is focused
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on. This law has something much, much worse than it. Much, much darker. It's the reason I say this
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is the worst law I have ever seen in a democracy ever. This law would give anyone the power to go to
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a provincial court and ask a judge to condemn any other Canadian and punish him in advance
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for a hate crime, an emotion crime he has not yet committed. Let me say that again. This bill lets
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you go to court and ask a judge to sentence someone for a crime you think he might commit,
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but he hasn't done it yet. It's straight out of Tom Cruise's movie, Minority Report.
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They haven't done anything yet. You're just afraid they will. But really, they're the ones who ought
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to be afraid of you because you're going to destroy their lives now just by saying they've triggered you.
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Read this part, which doesn't just amend the Canadian Human Rights Act. This amends the criminal
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code. This creates a new crime, a pre-crime, or as they call it, fear of hate propaganda offense or hate
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crime. So not only are feelings crimes banned in Canada, you can't have certain feelings in Canada,
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but if someone has hatred in their heart, that's a crime. But if you fear that someone may have hatred
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in their heart, you can prosecute them in court. I'm not even kidding, but I wish I were. Let me
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read it to you in full. Section 810-0-1-2-1 of the criminal code will be amended to read.
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A person may, with the attorney general's consent, lay in information before a provincial court judge.
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If the person fears, on reasonable grounds, that another person will commit A, an offense under
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section 318 or 319, those are the feelings crimes I read to you before. B, an offense under subsection
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430, that's mischief under the criminal code. Or C, an offense motivated by bias, prejudice, or hate
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based on race, national or ethnic origin, language, color, religion, sex, age, mental or physical
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disability, sexual orientation, gender identity, or expression, or any other similar factor. So no
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making fun of those transgender athletes at the Olympics, guys, or you'll wind up in jail.
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So let's recap. If someone out there who you don't like has not broken the law yet, they haven't done
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anything to you yet, but you're afraid they might, you have fear that they might, you can go to court and
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strike first. If you're some leftist who is afraid of conservatives, go to court, and if a judge says
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your fear is reasonable, he'll lock up the person you're afraid of. Even if that person hasn't done
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anything, doesn't do anything, won't ever do anything, you can get an order against them. See for
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yourself. Let me quote. If the provincial court judge before whom the parties appear is satisfied
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by the evidence adduced that the informant has reasonable grounds for the fear, the judge may
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order that the defendant enter into a recognizance to keep the peace and be of good behavior for a
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period of not more than 12 months. So not, the judge isn't determining whether or not that guy is
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going to commit a crime. That's not what's on trial. It's whether or not your fear is reasonable.
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You can go to court and say, your honor, I'm really, really afraid. And the judge says, well,
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is that true? Or is that a reasonable fear? And if you're afraid of someone, if you can convince a
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court you're afraid of something, if you can convince a court that it was fair that you were triggered,
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you can cancel someone in real life. If, if that person doesn't comply, he goes straight to jail.
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The provincial court judge may commit the defendant to prison for a term of not more than 12 months if
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the defendant fails or refuses to enter into the recognizance. So if you really hate someone and
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the left is full of hate, say you're an angry Black Lives Matter leftist full of hate, say you're a
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hateful environmental extremist, someone Trudeau considers part of his coalition, maybe, maybe his,
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I don't know, minister, Stephen Gilbeau, who was actually so full of hate, he became a criminal.
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You just go to a judge and say, I'm really afraid of that white guy or that oil man or that
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conservative. I'm really afraid of Rex Murphy. I'm really afraid of Conrad. I'm really afraid of
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Ezra Levan or Rebel News. I'm afraid of Maxime Bernier or Derek Sloan or even Aaron O'Toole.
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I'm really afraid of them, Your Honor. No, they haven't done anything yet. No, they haven't committed
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any crime. No, but I'm afraid that they hate me and I want you, judge, to strike first against them
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and a judge now can. And here's what a judge can do to the official enemies list because you know
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this will only be implemented against the enemies of the state. I rarely meet anyone more hate-filled
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than a woke college leftist. But they will never be charged. They'll be the ones doing the
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complaining. I mean, all the cancel culture on campus, that's terrible. But what's the worst
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that can happen? You embarrass someone, all right. You get them kicked out of university
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or you get them fired. I mean, that's not great. But look at the weaponization of cancel culture that
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Trudeau just proposed in Bill C-36. This is the list of things in Bill C-36 that the government can
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do if they think you might, in the future, commit one of these emotion crimes. So if you're convicted
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of a pre-crime, these are the conditions and recognizance they can order you to do.
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The provincial court judge may add any reasonable conditions to the recognizance that the judge
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considers desirable to secure the good conduct of the defendant, including conditions that
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A, require the defendant to wear an electronic monitoring device if the attorney general makes
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that request. Because you know that hateful feelings can be tracked on a GPS. B, require the defendant to
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return to and remain at their place of residence at specified times. So that's a curfew. Because you
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know that hateful feelings come out at night. C, require the defendant to abstain from the consumption
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of drugs, except in accordance with the medical prescription of alcohol or any other intoxicating
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substance. Seriously, you can get your enemy banned from drinking if you say you're really afraid of
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them. D, require the defendant to provide for the purpose of analysis a sample of a bodily substance
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prescribed by regulation on the demand of a peace officer. So you have to give a sample,
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including a blood sample I presume, on demand because you're such a hater, we need a sample of
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your blood. And this, to prohibit the defendant from communicating directly or indirectly with any
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person identified in the recognizance, or refrain from going to any place specified in the recognizance,
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except in accordance with the conditions specified in the recognizance that the judge considers
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necessary. So you can be banned from talking to friends, or family, or political colleagues,
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or employees, or whomever. Literally, because some political activist claims he's afraid of you,
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he can get the government to ban you from talking to anyone or going anywhere. Have you even heard
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of this before? Have you ever heard of this anywhere? Obviously, they'll seize your otherwise lawful
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guns. The provincial court judge shall consider whether it is desirable in the interest of the
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defendant's safety, or that of any other person, to prohibit the defendant from possessing any firearm,
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crossbow, prohibited weapon, restricted weapon, prohibited device, or ammunition. What is all this?
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Is that an anti-hate law? No, it isn't. It will not reduce hate. I think it will increase hate.
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It will certainly not convince anyone that their opinions are wrong,
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let alone that their emotions are wrong. But I'm pretty sure it will cause hurt feelings.
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It'll cause hard feelings. It'll cause feelings of grievance, which are the source of so much hate.
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But you know, I think that's actually what Trudeau wants. That's part of the political strategy
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behind cancel culture and wokeness and extreme critical race theory and all this racial and gender
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identity these days. It's to pit us against each other perpetually, to divide us, to plant strife,
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not harmony. I actually think Canada works pretty well. I think it's a pretty harmonious place.
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I live in Toronto, a majority-minority city. I think there are problems in Toronto, but I
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really don't think there are systemic barriers for minorities to get ahead in business or politics or
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sports or entertainment or policing or in law. I just don't see it. I see an attempt by the
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Liberal Party to mimic the racial identity politics of the U.S., even though we don't have their same
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history of slavery and Jim Crow laws. We just don't. We're where the Underground Railroad went to.
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I see an attempt to force people into thinking of themselves as anything but Canadians. I think Trudeau
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is trying to destroy our Canadian identity, including our Canadian history and icons. I see a lot of
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hate in Trudeau, honestly. A hate for our country's history, including a hatred for our founder, Sir
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Johnny MacDonald himself. I think Trudeau hates his opponents, obviously. He hates his critics.
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He hates Alberta. To be honest, he hates anyone who tells him no. We know who he loves, though.
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We know who he admires. There's a level of admiration
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I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn
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their economy around on a dime. Yeah, it shows. Trudeau's always loved tyrannies. He loved Castro.
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He loves China, just like his dad, Pierre Trudeau, loved the Soviet Union. This bill, C-36, it's not a law
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that any democracy could have. It criminalizes feelings. It admits that it does. It allows secret
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trials and secret informants. It's a censorship law, but more than any of that, this law allows Trudeau's
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attack dogs, including his paid race hustlers like the Canadian Anti-Hate Network and hucksters like
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Yaniv or anyone with a grudge or a grievance to milk the system, to secretly seek vengeance against
00:26:57.500
their enemies and to team up with Trudeau to destroy what little political opposition remains in this
00:27:02.760
country. This is the worst bill I've ever seen. And I'm 100% certain it's going to become law if we
00:27:11.840
don't stop it. I'm sure it'll get the unanimous support of the NDP, the bloc, and 90% of the media
00:27:18.540
and the lawyers in this country. We'll do our best to stop it, though. In the weeks ahead, I'll outline
00:27:25.440
my plans. I'd like you to start by signing our petition at stopc36.com. At that link, we'll have
00:27:36.200
the entire law. You can read it for yourself. This fight began yesterday. It's going to be many
00:27:43.420
months. They'll probably have to reintroduce the law in the fall. So it's not a done deal yet.
00:27:49.840
It's a terrible law, but I give you my word, we'll do our best here to fight it. Stay with us for more.
00:28:06.200
Well, for months, we've been talking about Stephen Gilboa's bill called Bill C-10. A lot of other
00:28:14.120
people in the mainstream media have been talking about it, too. It would put the internet under
00:28:19.260
the regulation of the government regulator called the CRTC. And it would regulate things like YouTube
00:28:26.060
broadcasts, including from us. Now, it would politicize the internet. It would put it under the
00:28:32.780
thumb of the government. And rightfully, a lot of people are concerned. But there's companion
00:28:38.060
legislation that Stephen Gilboa and other liberal cabinet ministers have been threatening, for which
00:28:44.280
C-10 just sets the table, sets the regulatory framework that allows the government to do other
00:28:51.280
things later. So when C-10 says the government is going to tell the tech companies they have to show
00:28:58.660
certain amount of Canadiana, or they must show this or can't show that, that's just the enabling law
00:29:05.480
that will then get fleshed out later, including by this bizarre and outrageous bill tabled just
00:29:12.660
yesterday by Trudeau's justice minister from Montreal named Lametti, the one brought in to be more
00:29:19.680
compliant to Trudeau's wishes than the previous justice minister, Jody Wilson-Raybould. Bill C-36
00:29:25.260
is bringing back internet censorship that is the heart of the bill. C-10 regulates the internet.
00:29:36.000
C-36 says what the regulation is for, to crack down on what the liberals call hate speech, which I
00:29:43.380
like to say is really speech that they hate. But there's other terrifying things in it too. Joining us
00:29:49.620
now to talk about it is our friend Spencer Fernando, who joins us via Skype. Great to see you again, Spencer.
00:29:55.940
You know what? For eight years, Canada has not had this censorship provision of the Human Rights Act.
00:30:02.800
It was taken out in the late years of Stephen Harper's administration in response to some
00:30:07.820
abusive prosecutions, including against me. Why do you think the political motivation is there? Do you
00:30:13.960
think there's a demand by Canadians to have this censorship back? Or do you think it's the Liberal
00:30:19.000
Party's own agenda to silence voices like, I don't know, ours or maybe even yours?
00:30:25.560
Well, I think there's a demand on the far left, certainly for that. I don't think the average
00:30:29.900
Canadian is saying they want this. But again, the Liberals, I think they see it as a politically
00:30:35.160
opportune moment. You know, unfortunately, because of what happened in, you know, the tragedy in London,
00:30:39.600
Ontario, I think they see that as something they can twist politically and use that as a
00:30:44.800
supposed justification for bringing this in. But of course, it's just justifying in their thinking
00:30:50.980
what they wanted to do all along. As you say, with C-10, you know, they lay the framework for this.
00:30:55.860
And then with C-36, they're going even further. So I think they're, you know, they see it both as a
00:31:02.460
way to control people, you know, to kind of chill free speech and shut down their opponents,
00:31:06.560
but also to put the Conservatives in a tough situation. I think you can see, I mean, they
00:31:12.220
don't expect it's going to be passed quickly, right? I mean, the Parliament, the session's ending.
00:31:17.380
But I think what they see is they see an opportunity to go and campaign against the
00:31:21.380
Conservatives and say, oh, well, how come you guys don't oppose hate speech, right? I mean,
00:31:25.940
that's the kind of simple narrative they want to push with an election coming up. So I think it's
00:31:32.300
Yeah, I think you're right. I mean, C-10 did get through the House of Commons. I'm not sure if
00:31:37.600
it'll make it through the Senate. I don't, I mean, falling closely enough. I can imagine
00:31:41.540
the Liberals, if they want to pass, they'll get it passed. C-36, that's the new one. No chance of
00:31:46.520
it getting passed. I think they just want it there because they want the country to be talking about
00:31:50.600
that because they think it's a big winner. When he rolled it out yesterday, David Lamedi specifically
00:31:56.740
made mention of that London family that was killed, the Absal family that were
00:32:02.240
hit by the speeding truck on the road. Now, I haven't seen the latest on that, but as far as
00:32:08.660
I know, we don't have evidence yet, maybe it'll come, that the driver of that car, who was a young
00:32:15.020
man who had psychological problems, who was estranged from his own family, who had incidences
00:32:19.400
of aberrant behavior before him. I don't think we have evidence yet, correct me if I'm wrong,
00:32:26.040
Spencer, that he was motivated by some online hatred or something like that. Despite that lack
00:32:34.220
of evidence, David Lamedi made specific reference to that killing in his pitch for this internet
00:32:41.400
censorship. I think they're trying to blame everything bad on their internet enemies so
00:32:48.180
they can silence their internet enemies. I think you're spot on with that.
00:32:52.140
Yeah, I mean, it's the fear narrative, right? If we don't silence these people, then more people
00:32:58.440
are going to die. That's the message that they want to push. But of course, you notice how they
00:33:01.880
respond to different tragedies, right? I mean, the shooting in Toronto, you had, I think, a few
00:33:06.020
children who were shot there. Somehow that doesn't become an issue for all of society to change and a
00:33:11.340
chance for all of us to reflect and learn and grow. And all Canada's totally wrong and our history is
00:33:16.680
terrible. So it's interesting how certain things are exploited and certain things are not, right?
00:33:22.060
It's not the actual factual basis of what took place, but it's the narrative that politicians
00:33:26.340
think they can spin it with. So I think with C-36, of course, you're going to see them. They're going
00:33:31.600
to use whatever justification they think will work politically for them, and they're going to try
00:33:35.780
to put their opponents on the defensive. So I think we'll see how much willpower and strength the
00:33:40.960
conservatives have to push back against that because they're going to be attacked by the liberals
00:33:45.360
pretty harshly. And we'll see if they have the toughness to push back on them.
00:33:49.200
You know, I remember when this section of the Human Rights Act was repealed by Harper in 2013,
00:33:55.920
there was a lone liberal MP named Scott Sims, who actually used to be a journalist before,
00:34:01.420
who voted to repeal it. I believe he's still an MP. I wonder what he'll do now. I wonder if he'll show
00:34:10.080
that courage to stand for free speech now. I wonder if any MPs other than the conservative will,
00:34:15.360
and also wouldn't surprise me, Spencer, if one or two conservatives, the Woker conservatives said,
00:34:21.740
what a great chance for me to show I'm ahead of the curve, for me to win kudos from the fancy people.
00:34:28.020
I'm going to come out in favor of this anti-hate bill, just so people don't think I'm a hater.
00:34:33.280
I think things have moved so much in the last decade that not only will Scott Sims and all the
00:34:38.440
block and all the NDP be for censorship too, I think you might even see some conservative MPs say,
00:34:44.300
well, it's not that bad. And one day we'll win government and we'll want to censor the internet
00:34:49.780
too. I don't know. Maybe I'm too pessimistic. But I think our politicians are worse than ever.
00:34:56.760
Yeah, I mean, it's been concerning a few statements lately from some conservative MPs that seem like
00:35:01.320
they're kind of buckling psychologically under the pressure from the woke crowd or, you know,
00:35:06.060
the neocoms or neocommunists, as you could call them, because that's really what a lot of this is,
00:35:10.340
right? It's, you know, kind of, you know, people who are communists, but they're dressing it up as
00:35:14.960
being woke now, just a better name for it. But I think some conservatives are starting to buckle
00:35:20.580
psychologically. You know, they don't have, you know, the strength to push back or it's just
00:35:24.880
political. You know, they think, oh, we'll win some votes by being woke. Of course, if you're a conservative,
00:35:29.260
you're never going to be even close to woke enough for the woke crowd. I mean, the whole strategy is
00:35:33.020
to constantly shift the goalposts farther to the left. So if you move to where they are now,
00:35:37.680
well, they'll move again so that you have to keep chasing them, right? But I think, yeah,
00:35:42.120
you could be right. We may see some of them vote for this or, you know, propose, you know,
00:35:46.140
something similar just so they don't get attacked as being hateful. And unfortunately, they don't,
00:35:50.760
they really seem to struggle to push back with, you know, opposite narratives to those things.
00:35:54.280
Yeah. I'm worried about a little poison pill. Poison pill is the wrong word because that
00:36:01.760
implies it'll kill it. I think it's the real, it's a stowaway in this bill that I haven't seen
00:36:07.140
discussed. Actually, I haven't even seen it discussed anywhere yet. Maybe I haven't read all
00:36:12.920
the coverage, but let me read a little bit from Bill C-36. That's the bill, the one to bring back
00:36:19.960
the hate crimes provision, the censorship provision. I'm, I think a lot of Canadians are familiar with
00:36:25.180
that because that was what was repealed eight years ago. But look at this. Spencer, did you ever
00:36:30.220
see that movie with Tom Cruise called Minority Report, where you had these three psychics and they
00:36:38.220
would predict, yeah, pre-crime, exactly. Department of Pre-crime and they would imagine it and then
00:36:46.200
they would send the police to arrest someone right before they committed the crime. And they never
00:36:52.320
quite committed the crime, the people they hunted down, but they were about to. And it was a very
00:36:57.220
exciting movie. And in many cases, the people were like just about to pull the trigger. But the whole
00:37:02.240
title, the Minority Report suggests that sometimes the psychics, there was three of them, would disagree
00:37:08.200
with each other. It would be like two against one. And one of the psychics would say, no, no, no,
00:37:13.340
there's nothing wrong there. It was a great movie, a sci-fi movie, one of those, you know, dystopian
00:37:19.120
future movies. Well, let me read to you from this bill, because this is straight out of Tom Cruise's
00:37:27.280
Minority Report. It's called Fear of Hate Propaganda Offense or Hate Crime. And this is, this is going to be
00:37:37.120
new in law if this bill passes. A person may, with the Attorney General's consent, lay an information
00:37:44.360
before a provincial court judge if the person fears on reasonable grounds that another person
00:37:50.480
will commit an offense under this section or that section or an offense motivated by bias,
00:37:57.100
prejudice, or hate based on race, etc., or any similar factor. So you go to court and say,
00:38:02.320
judge, judge, I'm afraid of that guy because I think he's really biased and I think he's going to do
00:38:08.360
something, commit an offense, a hate offense. Can you order him? And then there's this huge list of things
00:38:19.520
a judge can do. Put an electronic monitoring device on his ankle. Require him to have a curfew in his
00:38:29.700
house. Require him not to have drugs or alcohol. Require him to give a DNA sample. Prohibit him from
00:38:40.420
communicating directly or indirectly with any person identified. Give up his firearms, etc. So the person
00:38:51.000
in question has not committed any crime yet. But if you go to a judge and say, judge, I really,
00:38:58.540
really think he's going to do something. He can have an ankle monitor. He can have a curfew. He can
00:39:04.880
be told not to talk to other people. I've never seen a law like this anywhere other than science
00:39:11.920
fiction, Spencer. Yeah, it's quite disturbing. And, you know, you wouldn't see politicians want that
00:39:17.540
applied to themselves. You know, judge, I'm very afraid that this politician's about to commit a
00:39:21.520
corruption offense. Maybe you can go detain them, you know, until we figure out what's happening,
00:39:25.520
right? They wouldn't want that happening. So it's quite disturbing. But, you know, it's
00:39:29.320
this is all about and it's not just about the power the government will use, right? It's about
00:39:34.680
how that power will be perceived by the public. And I think that's really their real goal is
00:39:39.040
it's not simply to just arrest a bunch of people, but it's to scare people, right? It's to have someone
00:39:43.280
think, oh, maybe maybe I won't share my opinions, right? Even if it's not offensive at all, or it's not
00:39:48.020
dangerous, right? Yeah. Oh, maybe I won't share my opinion. I'm not sure, you know, what the law is.
00:39:53.480
You know, it sounds kind of scary. I hear the government can throw people in jail or do something
00:39:57.100
terrible to them if they say the wrong thing. And that's really what they're looking for,
00:40:00.600
right? They want people to censor themselves in their own minds. And then the government can say,
00:40:04.400
oh, we're still free. You can, you're free to speak your mind, but everyone will just be terrified,
00:40:07.660
right? So I think that's really the motive behind a lot of this. Yeah. You know, I read every Section 13
00:40:15.480
case that was ever prosecuted in Canada. There weren't that many. There was only a couple dozen.
00:40:20.680
Um, this was before the law was repealed nine, eight years ago. And there were no cases of
00:40:28.980
extremists like a radical Muslim preaching the jihad. We know that there are hundreds
00:40:35.560
of Canadians who went to fight with ISIS. No one like that has ever been charged under the hate speech
00:40:42.380
complaint. There are other radical groups in Canada, um, who may be fighting some old war from
00:40:50.440
some other place. No one like that has ever been charged. It was almost uniformly lower class, blue
00:40:58.620
collar, uh, low education, white guys who said something offensive about immigrants. In almost every
00:41:07.260
case, that's what it was. And I'm not saying that that's lovable speech. That's wonderful speech.
00:41:12.540
These are wonderful people. I'm just pointing out in our country, there's a lot of strong feelings,
00:41:17.640
hard feelings, detestation, whatever. But the only people who were ever prosecuted under Section 13 of
00:41:25.400
the Canadian Human Rights Act were poor working class white guys. Um, and the reason I point that out
00:41:31.300
is because it was an obvious political choice in every instance. And so if you have this massive
00:41:36.540
catch-all law that you can punish anyone who you think hates you, and in this crazy case I just
00:41:45.180
mentioned, get the courts to actually put an ankle bracelet on your enemies, who do you think that's
00:41:51.980
going to be used against? Because it's such a wishy-washy rule, it could theoretically be used against
00:41:57.300
anyone and everyone. I think it's going to be used by the woke left against their enemies.
00:42:04.420
Some of the worst hate I've ever seen is from the woke left. Some of the most racist things I've ever
00:42:08.880
heard has come from Black Lives Matter types, but I don't think they will ever be prosecuted,
00:42:14.360
let alone have a minority report pre-crime ankle put on them. What do you think?
00:42:20.600
Yeah, well, I mean, it was interesting. There was, I think, an Angus Reid poll that came out a few
00:42:24.500
days ago, and they asked people about, you know, issues of diversity and all that stuff in Canada,
00:42:30.320
and views on, you know, different groups, how racist is in the country, you know, and it's
00:42:34.660
interesting, you know, Jagmeet Singh got a lot of attention for saying how racist Canada supposedly
00:42:38.360
is, but the majority of people disagreed with him, you know, you didn't see that covered too much.
00:42:42.820
But they asked people, and they broke it down by race into Caucasian, Indigenous, and then
00:42:48.140
visible minority, and they asked people, do you think some races are superior to others, right?
00:42:54.500
And the vast majority of people, of course, said they don't think so. But the highest proportion
00:42:58.960
of people who said that they felt some races were superior happened to be visible minorities,
00:43:03.580
right? And so, you know, as you say, the kind of people who were, you know, punished under Section
00:43:08.360
13 is, you know, there's kind of this perception, politically correct perception, that somehow only
00:43:15.460
white people can be racist, when of course that's absurd, right? I mean, the most racist countries in
00:43:19.260
the world right now, it's not North America, it's not in Europe, right? So that's something
00:43:23.660
interesting to note. And so, but you're not going to see that applied, right? You know,
00:43:28.160
someone, you know, visible minority says something racist, very rarely do you ever see that even become
00:43:33.220
political news, it gets, you know, wished away. Or, you know, most absurdities, you see people
00:43:38.240
say, you know, if a brown person says something racist, it's, oh, let's internalize white supremacy,
00:43:43.840
or somehow it's always white supremacy blamed for whatever anyone says, which ironically is quite
00:43:48.780
racist itself, because it denies agency to people of color, as if they couldn't have any
00:43:53.220
opinions, if, you know, a white supremacist didn't put it in their mind or something, or manipulate
00:43:57.240
them. But, you know, yeah, I mean, it's totally political. I mean, and the problem with how vague
00:44:02.680
it's worded is, okay, well, detestation against a identifiable group. Well, I mean, so if a politician
00:44:09.240
demonizes conservatives, then are you saying that they're inviting violence and detestation against
00:44:13.560
conservatives, so they should be punished? I mean, you know, there's a reason we have laws that are
00:44:17.920
about actual, you know, taking action or threats, right? You threaten to kill or hurt someone from
00:44:23.220
any group, then that's a crime, right? Because it's a threat of violence, and that's already in
00:44:28.060
the criminal code. So the idea that we need new laws is we don't need them, obviously. Yeah. You
00:44:33.260
know, I mean, emotions are a naturally occurring thing. I mean, you can't just ban a feeling, and hate
00:44:40.060
and love are feelings. Let me just read one last thing, and I appreciate you staying so long, but let me
00:44:44.460
just throw this at you. They try and define hate, but also not too much hate. Here, let me read to
00:44:50.360
you. So they say that hatred means the emotion. So they're talking about an emotion. They're just
00:44:56.080
admitting they're regulating emotions. Hatred means the emotion that involves detestation
00:45:02.780
or vilification, and that is stronger than dislike or disdain. And then they say, for greater
00:45:12.520
certainty, the communication of a statement does not incite or promote hatred for the purposes of
00:45:19.080
this section solely because it discredits, humiliates, hurts, or offends. Hang on. So I thought you just
00:45:28.440
said it was more than dislike or disdain. Now you're saying if it humiliates and hurts someone
00:45:34.500
that's not necessarily hate. This is the dumbest word game I've ever seen. This is not real law.
00:45:40.800
Like, I know what an assault is. I know what a murder is. I know what a robbery is. Those are
00:45:45.200
pretty, you know, did he steal the money from the bank or not? There's not wiggle room there. This is
00:45:53.300
nothing but word games and political wiggle room. This is the criminalization of, this is turning
00:46:00.940
cancel culture into a crime. This is legislating cancel culture with all its stupid vagueness.
00:46:07.380
What do you think? Yeah, well, I mean, imagine if people start to try to, you know, exploit that
00:46:12.740
loophole. And okay, so, you know, I give a speech. These are the list of racial groups that I disdain.
00:46:18.300
Now, let me be very clear. I do not detest or hate these groups, but I disdain them. I disdain
00:46:24.560
these people from these countries. I totally disdain them. I don't hate them, but I disdain
00:46:29.500
everyone from these countries. And I want to hurt them and discredit them, but don't ever accuse me
00:46:35.120
of hating them because I don't. Oh, my God. Maybe that's almost what people should do. Maybe you
00:46:40.960
almost need to make a joke of laws like this so people see how absurd it is. But again, you know,
00:46:45.780
that's why they keep it vague, right? They want to be able to, you know, catch whoever they want,
00:46:50.180
whenever they want, and let their own people go, right? Yeah, you're so right. Wow. I really,
00:46:54.920
I mean, I've only been looking at this for a few hours now, but I got to tell you,
00:46:58.800
I cannot think of any law. I mean, I don't know all the laws in the world, but I just have never
00:47:03.900
heard of something like this in the free world. I mean, I'd have to check. Germany has some quirky
00:47:08.500
laws about Nazism left over from, you know, the trauma of what that country became and what it
00:47:14.780
did. But even in Germany, I don't know if even like, I don't, I just don't think there's a place
00:47:20.840
in the free world that does this. Well, just look at the, you know, sorry to interrupt, but look at
00:47:25.100
the contrast in the States, right? They just ruled, I think it was eight to one in the U.S. Supreme
00:47:29.920
Court that a high school couldn't punish somebody, couldn't punish a cheerleader who had, you know,
00:47:35.080
ripped into the school, I think on a TikTok or Snapchat post because they said, well, and look,
00:47:39.660
she didn't say it at school. You know, you have no regulation or control over that. So you can't
00:47:43.480
punish her for it. So you've got the United States protecting the right of, you know, teenagers to say
00:47:47.940
terrible things about their school. Whereas in Canada, we're saying, yeah, we're going to put a
00:47:51.820
bunch of vague laws that can, you know, we can throw ankle bracelets on you and, you know, arrest you
00:47:55.620
for things or punish you for things you haven't even done. So it's quite a, quite a disturbing
00:47:59.720
contrast. Well, I tell you, this is just a bill. It's not a law yet. It won't actually work its way
00:48:06.900
through parliaments before the summer break. The summer break is upon us. It'll probably be
00:48:12.720
reintroduced in the fall. I'm terrified if Trudeau has a majority that this will sail through.
00:48:17.460
But frankly, even if he didn't have a majority, I'm sure that the block and the NDP would join with
00:48:22.380
it. I really am worried, Spencer, because this is further than anything we've ever seen before.
00:48:27.460
And it has real teeth, not just fines. There's fines in there for 50 grand,
00:48:32.240
punishment to 20 grand. So you might get $70,000 for a bad tweet that could crush someone.
00:48:37.880
But, but the jail term, the 12 month jail term, the ankle bracelet, the curfew, I've never seen
00:48:45.480
anything like that before. And believe me, I'm, I'm hunting for these things. I've never seen it
00:48:50.940
like this. Spencer, you're one of the good guys. I know you'll keep fighting for freedom.
00:48:54.400
Boy, I wish they were a hundred of you. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's a disturbing time,
00:48:59.940
but we have to keep pushing back. I mean, where they don't have a choice, right? If we,
00:49:02.880
if we give in, then they'll just do even worse things. So yeah. Thanks for coming on the show.
00:49:07.380
Thanks for fighting the fight. I'm sure most of our viewers are already very familiar,
00:49:11.100
but folks, if you're not, please visit spencerfernando.com. And I think you'll,
00:49:17.180
you'll find an outstanding source of commentary, but also, as I'd like to point out,
00:49:21.180
Spencer's one of the quickest guys out there. If there's breaking news, you'll probably read it
00:49:26.420
on his site first. Great to see you, my friend. All right. Take care. All right. There you have
00:49:30.360
it. Spencer Fernando. Stay with us more ahead. Hello, welcome back on my show last night. Andrew
00:49:45.740
Patriot writes, World Health Organization equals China. Yeah. Well, it's one of the five UM commissions
00:49:52.780
that they control. Daryl writes, this was released as an emergency measure only. This thing has not
00:49:59.340
been studied long enough and thoroughly enough to take the gamble on a child's wellbeing, especially
00:50:05.020
when children that do contract COVID-19 will recover with little to no deaths. Yeah. That's what
00:50:10.920
I don't understand. I mean, if this thing were like Ebola or leprosy that just had such a terrible
00:50:17.560
mortality rate, I'd say it's worth the risk. You got to try something. You got to go full
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experimental, but we're more than a year into this thing. We realize it has a very low mortality rate
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for kids. Whereas these vaccines are what's risky and not tried. I think, I think we have to go to the
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normal FDA rules for approving vaccines. I'm not anti-vax by nature. It's just rushing a new genetic
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therapy vaccine for a disease that we now know doesn't really hurt kids. Why are we doing that
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other than to benefit the pharmaceutical companies? That's our show for today. Until tomorrow, on behalf
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of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.