Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Leftists despise humanity and consider their opponents to be 'invalid people'

00:00:00.000 Big interview with one of my favorite guys, one of the smartest guys.

00:00:03.200 I know I learned so much from him.

00:00:04.540 I try and talk less and listen more with him.

00:00:06.540 You know who I mean, Dr. James Lindsay.

00:00:09.280 He talks about cultural Marxism, and really it unlocks what's going on in our universities

00:00:15.500 and our institutions, a special full-length interview with him.

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00:00:43.500 All right, here's today's podcast.

00:00:59.300 Tonight, a feature interview with Dr. James Lindsay, America's leading critic of cultural Marxism.

00:01:05.960 It's December 7th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:09.200 You're ready for freedom!

00:01:12.120 Shame on you, you censorious bug!

00:01:15.240 One of my favorite guests is the guest that really makes me think.

00:01:26.980 One of the few guests where I listen more than I talk.

00:01:30.300 One of the guests that gives me a vocabulary that I need to understand what's going on.

00:01:36.760 Do you ever feel like something's wrong?

00:01:38.560 Do you ever have that gut feel that something fishy is going on?

00:01:42.220 You can't put your finger on it.

00:01:44.200 Sometimes it's because you actually just need the word.

00:01:47.920 And when you have the word or a concept that unlocks the understanding of so many things,

00:01:52.940 and we are in dangerous days.

00:01:55.400 And you probably know I'm talking about Dr. James Lindsay,

00:01:59.000 the creator of the website newdiscourses.com.

00:02:01.840 I had the pleasure of seeing him in person in Calgary a few weeks ago where he gave a speech.

00:02:07.240 I think it was almost a 90-minute speech.

00:02:09.940 There were 1,000 people in the room.

00:02:11.660 It was a populist gathering, and yet they hung on his every word.

00:02:16.540 It was quite an intellectual speech.

00:02:18.780 I felt like it was a professor giving a course in university,

00:02:22.680 and yet he held the crowd raptured by what he was saying for that very reason.

00:02:28.220 He was explaining wokeness.

00:02:31.160 And I think the light switch went on for everyone in that room,

00:02:34.580 and that's how I feel when I follow him on Twitter.

00:02:37.700 You know, Twitter can be infuriating.

00:02:40.140 It can be a time-wasting thing.

00:02:41.960 It can be doom-scrolling, as the kids say.

00:02:44.640 But it can actually, if you curate your sources correctly,

00:02:49.460 it can be a tremendous source of learning.

00:02:52.160 And it is for me.

00:02:53.540 I like to follow my enemies.

00:02:55.540 I like to follow my friends, but I also like to follow people

00:02:58.560 where I'm just going to slow down and read every word they say slowly.

00:03:03.920 And Dr. James Lindsay is one of them, and I'm delighted he's going to join us

00:03:06.820 for the balance of the show.

00:03:07.980 Dr. Lindsay, welcome back.

00:03:10.000 Hey, great to see you again.

00:03:11.420 You know, it's good to see you.

00:03:12.800 And I know I'm heaping praise on you, but it is true.

00:03:16.260 You're one of the few people online.

00:03:18.520 I mean, you're so well-read.

00:03:20.040 You say things, and I don't understand them sometimes,

00:03:22.560 and so I look deeper.

00:03:23.420 I like that.

00:03:25.280 Because you talk about the way the world is,

00:03:27.480 and you help give us ways to understand it.

00:03:29.780 I want to start with a tweet that you said just the other day.

00:03:33.580 And this really clarified things for me.

00:03:37.700 You said this just a couple days ago.

00:03:39.480 Almost everything the left does only makes sense

00:03:43.960 when you understand that there are broadly two classes of people

00:03:47.300 with wholly different rules.

00:03:50.020 The people and the enemies of the people

00:03:53.520 who are not considered valid people.

00:03:56.060 This logic underlies all of their thinking.

00:03:58.620 The people are those who support leftist theory and practice,

00:04:01.400 or who might still be trained to do so.

00:04:03.800 The enemies of the people are those who resist or reject leftism,

00:04:07.100 have something leftists don't want them to have,

00:04:09.640 break from leftism, or represent any opposing faction.

00:04:13.440 I'll just read one or two more.

00:04:15.640 Nothing the people do,

00:04:17.340 so long as it is consistent with advancing leftism, is wrong.

00:04:20.740 In fact, it's necessary and right.

00:04:22.520 Violence, hate, and malice are, quote, resistance.

00:04:26.080 They are taught these are necessary moral goods,

00:04:29.080 and trained to believe it.

00:04:30.520 Actions don't matter.

00:04:32.280 Context does.

00:04:33.500 Boy, this is relevant to so many things.

00:04:35.460 Let me just get one more tweet out.

00:04:38.580 Nothing the enemies of the people do can be right.

00:04:41.820 Even if it is, it's for the wrong reasons.

00:04:44.920 So wrong.

00:04:46.580 Everything they do is bad and must be punished.

00:04:49.000 The only thing they can do is to confess over and over

00:04:52.560 and start their journey to becoming a leftist, too.

00:04:56.040 I think of so many things.

00:04:59.960 I think of anti-hate activists now being fountains of anti-Semitic hate.

00:05:06.500 I think of the recently revealed barbaric rape crimes committed by Hamas,

00:05:12.560 and I see the woke feminists providing context for why it's justifiable.

00:05:19.800 Everything you said there is so useful.

00:05:22.180 Go ahead and tell me more about the two classes of people in the revolution.

00:05:27.460 Well, I got this idea from the source, really, from Mao Zedong,

00:05:32.160 from reading and studying the original CCP dictator,

00:05:36.420 and he used this structure relentlessly.

00:05:41.060 He separated the people in China into those two categories.

00:05:44.920 There were the people, and he says in this speech he gave in 1957

00:05:47.860 that who counts as the people, we have to understand that, he said,

00:05:51.680 changes during time, during different contexts.

00:05:55.400 So during the war with the Japanese,

00:05:57.400 the people were the people who supported the war against the Japanese,

00:06:00.920 and the enemies of the people were Japanese sympathizers.

00:06:03.700 Then he says when we were having this struggle internal to the party,

00:06:07.060 the people who supported the direction the party was going to take,

00:06:11.000 those were the people, and the people who were against that,

00:06:13.360 those were the enemies of the people.

00:06:14.380 Then he says that in the struggle with the nationalists,

00:06:17.840 which was called the Guomindong in China,

00:06:20.180 the people who supported the CCP were the people,

00:06:23.240 and the people who supported the Guomindong were the enemies of the people.

00:06:26.040 If you supported the nationalists, you were the enemy.

00:06:28.300 And then he said finally, and this was in 1957,

00:06:30.640 at this stage the people are the people who support the building of socialism,

00:06:34.920 and everyone who is against the building of socialism are the enemies of the people.

00:06:39.200 And so you see what this is, is this separating of the population

00:06:44.240 into those who support the regime's cause, get to be treated as people.

00:06:48.840 He said that they are citizens, that they have free speech,

00:06:52.840 they have all these other privileges and rights,

00:06:55.360 whereas on the other hand, the enemies of the people receive the dictatorship of the people.

00:07:00.220 And what that means by that, he says that they will have their freedom of speech,

00:07:04.140 their right to vote taken away from them for a time.

00:07:06.340 They will be treated differently as enemies of the people.

00:07:10.080 And what he taught relentlessly across that line of division

00:07:13.720 was that the people should hate the enemies of the people.

00:07:17.280 The enemies of the people are what are keeping us from succeeding

00:07:20.180 in our socialist goals or our socialist country.

00:07:23.040 And so you should hate them.

00:07:24.240 We would be successful if only we could stop the enemies of the people.

00:07:28.800 And so that's the basic structure.

00:07:30.700 And you see this happen again and again and again

00:07:32.960 in all these movements in the West, just repeatedly, like you said,

00:07:38.280 it touches on so many different things.

00:07:40.700 You know, I'm 51, so when I went to university,

00:07:43.880 a lot of this wokeness had not yet calcified.

00:07:47.360 And one of my fondest memories is that there were debates, student debates.

00:07:51.680 And in Canada in the 90s, in my university, there were four main political parties.

00:07:57.740 And all the time, all four parties would show up to a debate,

00:08:01.280 the student presidents of those clubs.

00:08:02.800 And there would be a hundred or sometimes hundreds of people gathered.

00:08:06.780 And participating in the debate was considered your proof of being,

00:08:11.000 you know, an active, valid citizen worth listening to.

00:08:13.880 And the idea that you hated the other person

00:08:16.080 or that you would marginalize them or cancel them,

00:08:18.780 that was not widespread back there.

00:08:21.120 You debated them, you laughed at them, you mocked them,

00:08:23.540 you tried to undermine them.

00:08:24.960 But this, I will not appear on the stage with you, you are the enemy,

00:08:29.420 I swear that wasn't around when I was...

00:08:32.400 And the idea of, you know, censoring thoughts,

00:08:36.840 which is part of this hatred, you know, you must destroy the enemy.

00:08:40.420 Anything you do against them is excused and justified by the context.

00:08:44.500 And that's what we saw after the October 7th pogrom in southern Israel.

00:08:49.480 The most barbaric Stone Age torture ever captured on film.

00:08:55.760 It was like the Holocaust Museum came to life in full color.

00:08:59.140 And the reaction by the woke West in universities,

00:09:04.080 from the fancy people, from the human rights people,

00:09:06.480 was to contextualize this.

00:09:09.060 And sure, they may have been children and women,

00:09:10.920 but they were colonists or...

00:09:13.820 I mean, I saw that in action.

00:09:16.280 I think, I don't know, I'm lacing together a bunch of things here.

00:09:19.940 But do I understand it right?

00:09:21.560 That basically any violence, including murder, including rape,

00:09:25.800 is justified if it's an oppressor.

00:09:28.040 That's the other.

00:09:29.040 You can only...

00:09:30.580 You could sum up other people in one word.

00:09:33.380 Oppressor.

00:09:34.280 So you can do anything to the oppressor.

00:09:36.660 Anything is justified to the oppressor.

00:09:39.220 Is that right?

00:09:40.400 Yeah.

00:09:40.820 Their belief is that the oppressor,

00:09:43.700 which is to say the avatars of Western civilization,

00:09:46.620 or members of Western civilization,

00:09:48.700 or capitalists, or white people, or straight people, or men,

00:09:52.120 it depends on whatever faction you want,

00:09:53.760 or in this case, settler colonialists,

00:09:55.460 those people that represent that side

00:10:00.300 are constantly, by their very existence and by their activity,

00:10:04.600 always doing violence to those that they oppress.

00:10:07.100 Oppression is a form of violence.

00:10:09.780 And so anything you do in response

00:10:11.960 is actually a form of resisting that violence.

00:10:14.920 You are completely justified.

00:10:16.380 If you go back to the...

00:10:18.500 He's from Martinique,

00:10:19.620 but he's usually identified as a French psychoanalyst

00:10:23.400 who's considered the father of post-colonial theory,

00:10:26.460 where a lot of this specific branch of the thinking comes from.

00:10:29.400 His name was Franz Fanon,

00:10:31.060 and he wrote in the 50s and the early 60s.

00:10:33.580 He wrote a book in 1961 that was very famous

00:10:36.060 called The Wretched of the Earth.

00:10:37.440 It has a very, very famous preface

00:10:39.640 written by Jean-Paul Sartre,

00:10:41.460 which is, in my opinion,

00:10:42.880 the letter asking Europe to commit suicide

00:10:45.560 to atone for its sin of colonialism.

00:10:48.480 But he says in the first sentence of the book,

00:10:50.760 no matter what you want to call it,

00:10:52.040 he says decolonization,

00:10:54.660 the process of undoing this colonial violence

00:10:57.740 is always itself a violent process.

00:11:00.140 It is necessarily violent.

00:11:02.280 It is an act of actually rebirth of the man

00:11:05.680 who has been colonized,

00:11:07.280 who's no longer a man

00:11:08.300 because he's now been colonized by colonial oppression.

00:11:10.820 He's reduced to something like an animal.

00:11:13.120 It's the rebirth of that man as a man

00:11:15.480 to murder his colonizer.

00:11:18.840 And this is the logic.

00:11:20.060 And the woke left across the board

00:11:22.240 endorses this logic.

00:11:24.120 This is why when you see people by the millions

00:11:26.980 literally colonizing and settling in, say, Ireland

00:11:31.040 and the Irish people getting upset,

00:11:33.060 it's the Irish people who are the ones who are wrong

00:11:36.460 because they represent that same Western hegemonic,

00:11:40.360 whether it's white or capitalist

00:11:41.860 or whatever framing you want to throw on it.

00:11:43.920 They represent the colonists, the colonialism.

00:11:48.540 They represent the spreading of Western hegemony

00:11:52.180 and the maintenance of Western hegemony.

00:11:54.680 And so anything is justified against them,

00:11:57.520 whether it's violence,

00:11:58.400 whether it's taking the property that they live in,

00:12:02.660 whether it's filling their country and bankrupting it.

00:12:04.880 All of these things are acts of resistance

00:12:06.780 against a intrinsically violent enemy.

00:12:09.360 And that's ultimately the logic.

00:12:12.120 But underneath that is there are the good guys

00:12:14.620 that are the people and they are citizens.

00:12:17.900 And there are the bad guys who are the enemies of the people

00:12:20.580 who must be destroyed, which is the logic of Maoism.

00:12:24.740 You made me think of a man I met

00:12:27.080 in the French port city of Marseille a few months ago.

00:12:31.840 There were riots, race riots.

00:12:34.040 It was Muslims who were about 40% of the population of Marseille,

00:12:38.460 a complete riot, burning things, stealing things.

00:12:41.400 And the police force really felt more like an occupational army

00:12:44.240 that knew it was on the way out.

00:12:45.780 I went there and I, in a lovely outdoor cafe,

00:12:50.320 just a few blocks from the tourist center,

00:12:52.760 I met a well-dressed, well-groomed man

00:12:56.120 who looked very moderate, very assimilated.

00:13:00.580 And his French was better than mine.

00:13:03.120 He was from Algeria.

00:13:05.140 And I asked him the most basic questions,

00:13:07.480 limited, of course, by my own rusty French.

00:13:10.080 And his answer was shocking to me.

00:13:15.080 He said, we will colonize France

00:13:17.920 because you colonized Algeria for more than a century.

00:13:23.020 Here, take a look at the clip of what he said.

00:13:25.660 Dans votre cœur, est-vous Algérie ou français à première?

00:13:33.500 Vive l'Algérie jusqu'à la mort.

00:13:35.220 T'hier d'Azair.

00:13:36.860 T'hier d'Azair, t'hier d'Azair.

00:13:39.140 Franchement, tout ce qui se passe ici,

00:13:41.000 c'est par rapport à l'État.

00:13:42.560 Tout ça, c'est la faute des policiers,

00:13:44.960 c'est la faute de l'État.

00:13:46.040 Parce qu'ici en France, il y a trop de racisme.

00:13:48.340 Le racisme, il est au premier degré ici en France.

00:13:51.460 C'est tout ce que j'ai à dire.

00:13:52.240 C'est tout.

00:13:55.100 Pourquoi millions de musulmans immigrent à France

00:14:00.300 si France est raciste?

00:14:03.700 Eh bien, ils nous ont colonisé 132 ans.

00:14:06.900 Et là, c'est notre tour de venir ici

00:14:09.340 pour, comment t'expliquer là?

00:14:14.060 Je ne sais pas trouver les mots.

00:14:16.040 Ils nous ont colonisé 132 ans.

00:14:18.080 Et maintenant, on va les coloniser à vie,

00:14:19.900 jusqu'à la mort, jusqu'à la fin des temps.

00:14:21.660 What was shocking about that,

00:14:23.000 of course, he was not colonized.

00:14:25.520 The French were not in Algeria

00:14:27.260 during his lifetime.

00:14:28.660 He's in Marseille,

00:14:29.920 having a grand old time

00:14:31.600 on a lovely outdoor café.

00:14:33.820 He's dressed like,

00:14:34.940 he looks like he is an assimilated,

00:14:36.900 integrative Westerner.

00:14:38.160 But he's got hatred in his heart.

00:14:40.780 He's chosen to be in France.

00:14:42.560 He prefers it to Algeria.

00:14:44.080 And when I pressed him on,

00:14:46.080 I said, how bad can it be in France for Muslims

00:14:48.280 if you come from Algeria

00:14:50.440 and other Muslim countries

00:14:51.560 by the thousand, by the million?

00:14:53.380 And he flipped it,

00:14:54.860 and there was a flash of anger.

00:14:56.480 And he basically said,

00:14:57.780 I'm gonna do to you what you did to us.

00:15:00.520 It was shocking.

00:15:01.460 I should tell you, later on,

00:15:03.320 about an hour later,

00:15:04.920 he tracked us down,

00:15:06.160 about a mile away on the road,

00:15:07.780 and demanded that we delete that video clip.

00:15:12.080 And he stood there

00:15:13.140 while we pretended to delete it.

00:15:14.600 We were in an Arabic neighborhood.

00:15:16.580 If he would have shouted something,

00:15:18.300 we would have been attacked in a flash.

00:15:20.720 So we pretended to delete it.

00:15:22.200 He was so worried about that.

00:15:24.100 And I saw that in real life.

00:15:26.120 He said, I'm gonna do to you

00:15:27.600 what was done to my people.

00:15:29.780 And anything was justified.

00:15:31.820 That's real life.

00:15:32.700 This is not just a philosophical book on a shelf.

00:15:37.260 This is what's animating his life.

00:15:40.500 Well, it needs to be understood

00:15:41.900 that the philosophical book on the shelf

00:15:43.560 matters a lot here.

00:15:45.380 So I strongly encourage,

00:15:47.300 and of course, Douglas Murray

00:15:48.380 very famously wrote a great book

00:15:49.780 called The Strange Death of Europe.

00:15:51.360 I really think that the title

00:15:53.280 of Jean-Paul Sartre's foreword

00:15:55.920 to The Wretched of the Earth

00:15:57.640 should be titled The Strange Death of Europe

00:16:00.080 because that's what he asks Europeans to do.

00:16:02.700 He asks Europeans,

00:16:03.840 he says, these barbarians that you've colonized

00:16:05.980 are coming back.

00:16:07.720 They're coming for you.

00:16:09.000 And they're going,

00:16:09.880 they have every right to take over.

00:16:11.340 They have every right to murder you.

00:16:12.440 You might as well give it away

00:16:13.780 and hope that they choose not to be violent,

00:16:15.820 but they probably will anyway.

00:16:17.440 And that's actually his advice.

00:16:18.820 He writes this preface as a letter to Europe.

00:16:21.280 And it's astonishing to read this now

00:16:24.480 and realize it's the roadmap

00:16:26.100 that Europe adopted

00:16:27.500 in the wake of colonialism.

00:16:29.260 They decided to,

00:16:30.780 as they backed off from their colonial past,

00:16:33.280 they decided to follow the advice

00:16:36.080 of this Marxist existentialist fruit loop,

00:16:39.500 Jean-Paul Sartre,

00:16:40.300 who never saw something

00:16:41.800 that he didn't want to destroy.

00:16:43.360 But what you don't,

00:16:44.820 what a lot of people don't understand

00:16:45.900 is that Jean-Paul Sartre

00:16:46.760 was very, very popular.

00:16:48.980 This book, these words,

00:16:50.800 his ideas were brought to the Middle East,

00:16:54.160 to the Arabic countries.

00:16:55.220 And this idea,

00:16:56.680 this sentiment was fomented there.

00:16:59.000 These post-colonial nations,

00:17:01.200 these sentiments were intentionally brought there

00:17:03.500 and fomented there

00:17:04.420 to create this hatred,

00:17:05.800 to nourish this hatred.

00:17:07.240 So while there's always that element

00:17:09.460 of human tribalism

00:17:10.960 that might motivate this,

00:17:12.440 and you think,

00:17:12.920 well, why can't they get over this?

00:17:15.440 The global left has been stoking this for decades,

00:17:19.680 whether it was the Soviet Union

00:17:21.780 creating the people

00:17:22.920 or the Popular Front

00:17:23.800 for the Liberation of Palestine,

00:17:24.980 which became the parent organization

00:17:26.620 of the Palestinian Liberation Organization,

00:17:29.940 which became the parent organization of Hamas,

00:17:32.820 or whether it's these other liberation fronts

00:17:35.500 that took place.

00:17:36.100 The global left had a project of liberationism

00:17:39.780 across what was called the Third World.

00:17:43.380 That happened in the Middle East,

00:17:44.520 it happened in South America,

00:17:45.620 it happened in the Caribbean,

00:17:47.720 it happened in South Asia,

00:17:49.780 and in East Asia,

00:17:50.720 it happened throughout all of those islands.

00:17:52.520 It was a Vietnam and Korea are both examples

00:17:57.080 where wars ended up as the result.

00:18:00.120 These are all projects of the global left

00:18:02.160 that have been for a long time,

00:18:03.620 not just happening,

00:18:04.760 but fomented by bringing in activists,

00:18:07.640 bringing in that literature,

00:18:09.040 fomenting this attitude,

00:18:10.460 making it a cultural norm

00:18:11.900 within the radical, angry populations

00:18:14.620 that they could agitate this way.

00:18:16.920 And it's literally started with the Soviets

00:18:19.000 and then continued with the European Marxists

00:18:21.400 and neo-Marxists of the critical theorists

00:18:24.740 of the middle part of the 20th century.

00:18:27.720 So when Judith Butler got caught on tape

00:18:30.400 in the late 90s or early 2000s,

00:18:33.440 which was an embarrassment for her a few weeks ago,

00:18:36.220 saying that Palestine has always been

00:18:38.820 a project of the global left,

00:18:40.620 that's why we support it, blah, blah, blah.

00:18:42.600 She wasn't kidding.

00:18:44.460 This is exactly what has been going on.

00:18:46.620 The global left has been fomenting this anger,

00:18:49.440 fomenting this division,

00:18:50.700 and supplying those philosophical pieces

00:18:53.040 to the radicalizable populations

00:18:55.960 to create a Maoist-style insurgency

00:18:58.420 in those populations

00:18:59.360 to wage war on Europe and North America.

00:19:02.920 You know, that's very interesting

00:19:05.480 that the Soviet Union

00:19:07.860 intellectually colonized the Third World.

00:19:13.760 In some ways, they had some Cubans in Angola.

00:19:19.880 I mean, there were some Soviet troops abroad,

00:19:24.740 but mainly it was an intellectual colonization

00:19:27.320 to destable the West.

00:19:29.100 I'm glad you reminded me about the Soviet work

00:19:33.380 to radicalize Arabia.

00:19:35.680 Of course, Hitler, too,

00:19:37.160 met with the Grand Mufti,

00:19:42.240 as his title was, of Jerusalem

00:19:44.200 to actually get the Arabs

00:19:46.720 to attack the West and the Jews.

00:19:49.700 But what's so frustrating for me

00:19:53.020 is not that the Third World

00:19:56.520 has been colonized intellectually

00:19:58.640 and weaponized against the West.

00:20:01.000 But the first part that you mentioned,

00:20:03.240 that the West has invited this

00:20:04.580 and welcomed this.

00:20:06.140 A couple days ago,

00:20:06.960 I was at a large pro-Israel rally in Ottawa.

00:20:12.120 And a week before that,

00:20:13.120 I was at a large pro-Israel rally

00:20:15.740 in London, England,

00:20:17.160 that was quite big.

00:20:19.540 And I was there with my cameraman

00:20:21.300 in both cases just asking Jews.

00:20:24.020 I said, look, Jews for historical reasons

00:20:26.640 or ethnic reasons of memory

00:20:28.740 of when the Jews couldn't find refuge.

00:20:30.660 I said, Jews have,

00:20:32.560 in the main,

00:20:34.280 been for open borders immigration.

00:20:36.480 And certainly,

00:20:37.860 if that's not,

00:20:39.180 you know,

00:20:39.860 numerically,

00:20:41.320 if I can't prove it numerically,

00:20:43.660 most Jews are for open immigration,

00:20:45.660 official Jewry has been,

00:20:47.020 official Jewish groups.

00:20:48.380 And I asked the Jews of London

00:20:50.440 and I asked the Jews in Ottawa,

00:20:53.680 I said,

00:20:54.960 the source of the anti-Semitic hate marches

00:20:58.320 in London and the West

00:20:59.780 is mainly immigration.

00:21:02.920 You do have woke intellectual types,

00:21:05.860 but they're a small fraction of it.

00:21:07.860 And they're more opportunistic.

00:21:09.600 I said,

00:21:10.040 the mass of the hate marches

00:21:11.440 are people who were brought in

00:21:12.420 by open borders immigration.

00:21:13.440 Do you think we ought to rein that in?

00:21:17.100 And the vast majority of Jews

00:21:19.360 who were so terrified

00:21:20.500 by this anti-Semitism

00:21:22.080 that they would come to a march.

00:21:23.860 Like, that's not just an ordinary Jew.

00:21:26.340 That's someone who's worried

00:21:27.540 and thinking about things

00:21:29.160 and is nervous.

00:21:30.900 And they're coming to a rally

00:21:32.160 and they're talking to a reporter on camera.

00:21:34.320 So they got something to say.

00:21:36.260 And when you press them,

00:21:38.580 are you,

00:21:39.320 well,

00:21:39.440 do you think we should turn off the taps

00:21:41.060 of unvetted,

00:21:43.180 culturally misfit immigration?

00:21:45.640 They still won't give it up.

00:21:47.720 They still won't repudiate it.

00:21:50.940 Help me understand that.

00:21:53.180 That's not this guy in Marseille

00:21:55.660 saying I've come to colonize.

00:21:57.420 That's a Jew in London

00:21:58.600 and a Jew in Ottawa

00:21:59.480 saying colonize me, baby.

00:22:02.180 Yeah, well,

00:22:03.220 it would be shameful

00:22:05.020 and racist and xenophobic

00:22:06.460 to say anything else.

00:22:07.500 People might judge.

00:22:08.520 And so I did another thread

00:22:10.680 since we started talking about

00:22:12.200 one of my Twitter threads.

00:22:13.140 I did another Twitter thread

00:22:14.160 talking about how

00:22:15.420 with the woke

00:22:17.160 or any of these kind of

00:22:18.280 these movements broadly,

00:22:19.660 they reach out far beyond

00:22:21.480 the people who are genuinely

00:22:22.860 like the woke activists.

00:22:24.420 Their mentality touches

00:22:25.600 a lot of people.

00:22:26.920 A lot of people don't even realize

00:22:28.080 they've picked up

00:22:28.740 the mentality fully.

00:22:30.240 But what it's organized around

00:22:31.520 isn't facts or truth

00:22:33.040 or even fears.

00:22:34.340 It's organized around

00:22:35.480 a sense of shame.

00:22:36.320 The thing that motivates them

00:22:37.620 the most is that

00:22:38.520 they can't possibly

00:22:39.900 be found out

00:22:41.460 to hold or believe

00:22:42.820 a shameful thing.

00:22:44.580 And xenophobia,

00:22:46.040 racism, and so on

00:22:46.960 are shameful things.

00:22:48.380 And that, of course,

00:22:48.980 has been exploited

00:22:49.920 and taken advantage of

00:22:51.280 using critical race theories,

00:22:52.980 analysis of racism,

00:22:54.200 post-colonial theories,

00:22:55.780 various analyses of settlers

00:22:57.580 and colonials

00:22:58.620 and all of this.

00:22:59.560 But also,

00:23:00.520 the word Islamophobia

00:23:02.740 is another term

00:23:03.720 that gets thrown around.

00:23:04.480 This has been taken advantage

00:23:05.640 of by malicious actors

00:23:07.100 who have expanded

00:23:09.240 the scope of those terms

00:23:10.640 to apply to very

00:23:11.660 reasonable positions.

00:23:13.400 And people are terrified

00:23:15.020 that they'll be associated

00:23:16.280 by their neighbors

00:23:17.020 with a shameful thought.

00:23:19.040 I know that your country

00:23:20.000 suffered the tyranny

00:23:22.480 from not from just

00:23:23.800 the government

00:23:24.380 but from neighbor

00:23:25.160 to neighbor

00:23:25.660 of COVID

00:23:26.380 far worse

00:23:27.300 than the United States

00:23:28.760 did because Canadians

00:23:29.960 by and large

00:23:30.680 would browbeat

00:23:31.300 their neighbors

00:23:31.860 into doing the right thing

00:23:33.260 because nobody wants

00:23:34.540 to be caught out

00:23:35.180 having a doubt,

00:23:36.460 having a shameful,

00:23:38.020 embarrassing doubt.

00:23:38.920 And that really is

00:23:40.100 the psychological driver

00:23:41.380 behind this invitation.

00:23:43.200 People feel ashamed

00:23:44.080 of the harms

00:23:44.780 that colonialism caused,

00:23:46.140 that the history

00:23:46.740 of racism caused

00:23:47.820 in the U.S.

00:23:48.540 and Canada,

00:23:49.220 particularly for CRT.

00:23:50.860 They feel shame

00:23:52.220 about the history

00:23:53.580 of homophobia

00:23:54.560 to the point

00:23:55.720 where they're so desperate

00:23:56.840 to prove

00:23:57.380 that they are now inclusive,

00:23:58.580 that they're marching

00:23:59.860 their children off

00:24:00.680 to be transitioned,

00:24:02.220 which is psychological,

00:24:03.260 and then chemical

00:24:04.360 and then sometimes surgical,

00:24:06.140 irreparable damage

00:24:07.560 being done to their bodies.

00:24:09.500 They're so desperate

00:24:10.640 not to be identified

00:24:12.200 as connected

00:24:14.000 to something

00:24:14.460 that they view

00:24:15.020 as shameful

00:24:15.580 or that has been made

00:24:16.940 to be viewed

00:24:17.520 as shameful,

00:24:18.600 sometimes on quite artificial

00:24:19.960 or contrived terms,

00:24:21.200 that they will bend

00:24:22.340 over backwards

00:24:23.300 to continue

00:24:25.480 allowing the problem,

00:24:27.860 almost wanting

00:24:28.660 a magical solution.

00:24:29.960 Like,

00:24:30.380 there's this almost naivety

00:24:31.740 when you were telling

00:24:32.280 some of the story

00:24:33.020 where I think of like

00:24:33.840 when a child

00:24:34.560 sees a bear

00:24:35.360 for the first time

00:24:36.060 and they think

00:24:36.560 they want a pet bear

00:24:37.620 as if the bear

00:24:38.680 wouldn't come

00:24:39.180 and eat you

00:24:39.760 eventually

00:24:40.420 if you let it

00:24:41.080 into your house.

00:24:41.740 Oh no,

00:24:42.060 it's cuddly.

00:24:42.680 It's nice.

00:24:43.140 Look,

00:24:43.300 it's a bear.

00:24:43.840 I would love a bear

00:24:44.700 and a bear,

00:24:45.380 you can't keep a bear

00:24:47.500 as a pet.

00:24:48.160 It's a very dangerous animal

00:24:49.300 and there's a certain

00:24:50.320 kind of naivety

00:24:51.260 thinking that,

00:24:52.860 I'm not saying

00:24:53.660 that people like,

00:24:54.880 you know,

00:24:56.080 Arabs or anybody else

00:24:57.020 are like animals,

00:24:57.620 but they are expressly

00:24:58.820 saying that they hate

00:24:59.980 the West

00:25:00.340 and want to destroy it

00:25:01.240 and so if you let

00:25:02.160 people in

00:25:02.860 who have expressly

00:25:05.100 hostile intentions

00:25:06.100 to your country

00:25:07.740 and then you expect

00:25:09.500 that they're just

00:25:10.080 going to be nice,

00:25:11.040 that's a similar

00:25:11.700 kind of naivety

00:25:12.460 to thinking that

00:25:13.180 the bear,

00:25:13.780 because it looks cuddly,

00:25:15.000 wouldn't eat your children

00:25:15.980 if you let it

00:25:16.600 into the house.

00:25:17.680 Here where I live,

00:25:18.440 we have bears

00:25:19.000 and once every year

00:25:20.340 or two,

00:25:21.160 somebody from usually Ohio

00:25:22.560 ends up getting

00:25:23.180 their children

00:25:23.920 get attacked by a bear

00:25:24.920 because they think

00:25:25.520 it's going to be

00:25:25.880 a great idea

00:25:26.380 to go pose

00:25:27.240 for a picture

00:25:27.800 with a wild bear

00:25:28.860 out in the woods

00:25:29.540 and it turns out

00:25:30.620 that the bears

00:25:31.040 don't like that

00:25:31.800 and some bears

00:25:33.340 have cubs

00:25:33.840 and get quite

00:25:34.580 defensive of it

00:25:35.260 and it's,

00:25:36.220 there's a childlike

00:25:37.400 naivety combined

00:25:38.440 with this fear

00:25:39.440 of being identified

00:25:40.800 as holding

00:25:41.340 a shameful view

00:25:42.380 combined with

00:25:43.540 this deep

00:25:44.540 persistent guilt

00:25:45.920 for the harms

00:25:47.460 of the past

00:25:48.200 that they wish

00:25:48.940 that they could

00:25:50.020 somehow atone for.

00:25:51.740 Boy, you said

00:25:52.640 so many things

00:25:53.500 in there.

00:25:53.980 One of them

00:25:54.360 that comes to mind

00:25:55.080 about inviting

00:25:56.180 the bear in.

00:25:57.260 That's the thing

00:25:57.840 about Disney.

00:25:58.480 I have a friend

00:25:59.280 who always talks

00:25:59.840 about the Disneyfication

00:26:01.060 of nature

00:26:02.160 and we think

00:26:02.820 you can go

00:26:03.300 and hug these characters

00:26:04.940 and then you realize

00:26:06.040 that Disney's not

00:26:06.920 what it's like

00:26:07.340 in real world.

00:26:08.340 You remind me again

00:26:09.240 of a video

00:26:09.660 and forgive me

00:26:10.220 for referring to things

00:26:11.520 because we see

00:26:12.400 these things

00:26:13.100 anecdotally

00:26:14.060 on the street

00:26:14.740 and again,

00:26:15.660 you help us

00:26:16.160 unlock the meaning.

00:26:17.500 Let me show you

00:26:18.020 a video that we recorded.

00:26:19.040 This was actually

00:26:19.360 a few years ago

00:26:20.160 before the pandemic.

00:26:21.660 This was at

00:26:22.200 an Iran-sponsored

00:26:24.200 fake holiday

00:26:26.260 that they've created

00:26:26.980 called Quds Day

00:26:28.060 which they have

00:26:30.120 in Toronto

00:26:31.560 every year.

00:26:32.620 The government

00:26:33.220 of Iran

00:26:33.600 organizes this

00:26:34.640 and it's basically

00:26:35.660 a hate the Jews day

00:26:36.760 and our friend

00:26:37.980 David Menzies

00:26:38.680 went down there

00:26:39.400 and talked to a man

00:26:40.340 who basically said

00:26:42.480 we're going to

00:26:42.980 outbreed you.

00:26:45.420 We are more dedicated

00:26:47.380 to this than you

00:26:48.420 and the craziest part

00:26:51.720 was he said

00:26:52.400 when it was time

00:26:54.460 to say

00:26:55.040 the citizenship oath

00:26:56.680 I didn't say

00:26:58.460 the words

00:26:59.220 I have not sworn

00:27:00.700 an oath

00:27:01.040 of allegiance

00:27:01.480 to this country

00:27:02.180 and it was on you

00:27:03.620 to make sure I did

00:27:04.780 you guys are the suckers

00:27:07.000 I didn't swear

00:27:08.480 the oath.

00:27:09.020 Take a look

00:27:09.440 at him confessing

00:27:10.520 all this

00:27:11.020 at a government

00:27:12.660 of Iran-sponsored

00:27:13.900 hate fest

00:27:14.540 this was a few years ago

00:27:15.740 in Toronto

00:27:16.600 take a look.

00:27:17.400 I'm just curious

00:27:18.220 if the vast majority

00:27:19.260 of Muslims

00:27:19.840 want to live

00:27:20.820 under Sharia law

00:27:21.680 I have met

00:27:22.360 many Muslims

00:27:23.260 who have left

00:27:24.600 Muslim countries

00:27:26.020 the thing is

00:27:28.920 what I'm saying

00:27:29.660 is

00:27:29.880 if by 2060

00:27:31.420 as Pew Research Institute

00:27:32.940 says

00:27:33.340 not me

00:27:34.240 not you

00:27:34.660 not anybody else

00:27:35.460 if by 2060

00:27:37.100 Muslims reach

00:27:38.360 a decisive majority

00:27:40.200 all over the world

00:27:41.200 which year?

00:27:42.260 sorry?

00:27:42.640 by 2060

00:27:43.480 you want me to show you

00:27:44.840 three years ago?

00:27:46.740 2060

00:27:47.360 6060

00:27:48.480 sorry

00:27:49.080 I misunderstood you

00:27:50.040 no but

00:27:50.520 like I said

00:27:51.580 I have met

00:27:52.140 several Muslims

00:27:53.140 who left

00:27:54.280 Islamic nations

00:27:55.680 and are horrified

00:27:58.700 to see

00:28:01.080 those elements

00:28:03.160 of those countries

00:28:04.140 following them

00:28:05.040 over to Canada

00:28:05.780 and the United States

00:28:06.660 what would you say

00:28:07.620 to them

00:28:08.020 Muslims that want

00:28:09.440 to live a secular lifestyle

00:28:10.840 you should go to your queen

00:28:11.960 and tell her

00:28:12.780 to change the laws

00:28:13.660 change the laws

00:28:14.960 to what sir

00:28:15.500 to Sharia law?

00:28:16.780 no change the laws

00:28:17.580 to not allow

00:28:18.440 any more Muslims

00:28:19.140 to come to Canada

00:28:19.880 like if you

00:28:21.120 if you are bothered

00:28:21.760 by Muslims

00:28:22.360 because we

00:28:23.300 we owe our allegiance

00:28:25.300 and our loyalty

00:28:26.320 first and foremost

00:28:27.240 to our religion

00:28:27.920 not to the queen

00:28:28.800 to be honest

00:28:29.860 when I went for my

00:28:31.100 so called oath

00:28:32.480 I was silent

00:28:33.400 I didn't say anything

00:28:34.220 it was your responsibility

00:28:35.460 to make sure

00:28:36.080 you got it out of me

00:28:37.020 so when I didn't say anything

00:28:38.700 I'm not liable to any

00:28:40.140 so you know

00:28:42.180 these liberal Jews

00:28:44.160 who I met in Ottawa

00:28:45.060 and London

00:28:45.600 seeing that

00:28:46.520 would say

00:28:46.840 oh well maybe

00:28:47.480 we can convince him

00:28:49.000 he's wrong

00:28:49.480 I think shame

00:28:50.340 is an incredibly

00:28:51.020 powerful thing

00:28:51.760 I'm not sure

00:28:52.780 how familiar you are

00:28:53.320 with the city

00:28:53.760 of Rotherham

00:28:54.360 in the United Kingdom

00:28:55.680 city of a quarter

00:28:56.840 million people

00:28:57.480 where 1400 girls

00:28:58.800 were raped

00:28:59.360 on a repeated

00:29:00.540 industrial scale

00:29:01.900 and there was

00:29:02.840 a commission

00:29:03.380 of inquiry

00:29:04.020 and again and again

00:29:04.980 the word racism

00:29:06.400 pops up

00:29:07.140 people were asked

00:29:08.120 why didn't you say anything

00:29:09.180 but because

00:29:09.760 the vast majority

00:29:10.840 of perpetrators

00:29:11.480 were Pakistani

00:29:12.160 Muslim men

00:29:12.900 the nurses

00:29:14.440 the social workers

00:29:15.720 the politicians

00:29:16.500 everyone was afraid

00:29:17.880 of being called racist

00:29:18.660 so they would rather

00:29:19.900 have an entire generation

00:29:21.480 of women raped

00:29:22.660 repeatedly

00:29:23.780 night after night

00:29:26.200 after these women

00:29:26.860 were extorted

00:29:27.580 and exploited

00:29:28.360 and trafficked

00:29:29.140 but these officials

00:29:31.480 whose job it was

00:29:32.960 to help them

00:29:33.640 were more afraid

00:29:34.980 of like you say

00:29:36.040 the shame

00:29:37.000 of being called

00:29:38.740 racist

00:29:39.360 than protecting

00:29:40.440 a girl from rape

00:29:41.380 that that is

00:29:42.760 that's that's a powerful

00:29:44.320 psychological weapon

00:29:45.580 against the West

00:29:47.220 they don't have this shame

00:29:48.400 in other countries

00:29:49.220 it's showing that

00:29:50.720 commitment to the people

00:29:51.940 the people in this case

00:29:53.100 are the people

00:29:53.660 who are outside

00:29:55.040 of the enemies

00:29:56.620 of the people

00:29:57.160 way of thinking

00:29:57.980 in other words

00:29:58.460 Western hegemony

00:29:59.380 so these

00:30:00.260 these immigrants

00:30:01.800 whether legal

00:30:02.680 or otherwise

00:30:03.180 are part of the people

00:30:05.060 and you are showing

00:30:06.380 by covering up

00:30:08.040 the rape

00:30:08.480 by downplaying it

00:30:09.480 by trying to avoid

00:30:10.360 the shame

00:30:10.840 the stigma

00:30:11.400 of being labeled

00:30:12.560 a racist

00:30:12.960 and allowing that

00:30:13.640 to have power

00:30:14.180 over you

00:30:14.680 even in a situation

00:30:15.540 like that

00:30:15.980 what you're doing

00:30:16.740 is you're showing

00:30:17.360 your commitment

00:30:18.300 that no I'm

00:30:19.660 I'm on the side

00:30:20.700 of the people

00:30:21.200 this is what

00:30:21.680 Mao Zedong called

00:30:22.480 seeing from the people's

00:30:24.000 standpoint

00:30:24.580 in his brainwashing

00:30:26.500 centers

00:30:26.920 which they sometimes

00:30:28.260 get called

00:30:28.600 thought reform

00:30:29.420 or re-education

00:30:31.460 but the actual words

00:30:32.620 in Chinese

00:30:33.100 translate as

00:30:33.860 wash brain

00:30:34.540 so his brainwashing

00:30:35.980 centers

00:30:36.480 were designed

00:30:37.600 to get you

00:30:38.060 to start to confess

00:30:39.220 to various crimes

00:30:40.780 on contrived terms

00:30:41.940 so that you would

00:30:42.800 understand

00:30:43.280 from what was called

00:30:44.980 the people's standpoint

00:30:46.400 I would say the Mandarin

00:30:47.680 but I can't pronounce

00:30:48.780 Mandarin words very well

00:30:49.880 it's something close

00:30:50.820 to Renmi Lee Chang

00:30:52.240 or something like this

00:30:53.040 and it literally means

00:30:55.180 the people's standpoint

00:30:56.780 the way that the people

00:30:57.760 view things

00:30:58.300 and so these people

00:30:59.620 have committed

00:31:00.300 to the people's standpoint

00:31:01.780 and it would be shameful

00:31:03.220 not to have that

00:31:04.600 enlightened perspective

00:31:05.520 and so they will

00:31:06.980 cover up rapes

00:31:08.420 they will try to

00:31:09.380 contextualize the brutality

00:31:10.960 and the rapes

00:31:12.000 and the destruction

00:31:12.980 on October 7th

00:31:14.980 and since

00:31:15.700 in the Middle East

00:31:17.160 and they will

00:31:18.820 will allow all manners

00:31:21.340 of absolutely

00:31:22.500 unacceptable behavior

00:31:23.760 war being brought

00:31:25.060 to their own country

00:31:25.880 from within

00:31:26.500 in order to avoid

00:31:28.200 looking like

00:31:29.320 they don't have

00:31:30.160 this propped up

00:31:31.680 contrived

00:31:32.680 virtuous position

00:31:34.600 which is called

00:31:35.320 the people's standpoint

00:31:36.180 which understands

00:31:36.960 the view from

00:31:37.640 the position

00:31:38.140 of the people

00:31:38.640 and we see it

00:31:40.100 play out in real time

00:31:41.100 over and over

00:31:41.840 and over again

00:31:42.460 it's a horrifying

00:31:45.320 situation

00:31:46.480 frankly

00:31:47.120 we're talking with

00:31:48.520 Dr. James Lindsay

00:31:49.280 of NewDiscourses.com

00:31:51.000 I want to read

00:31:51.840 another tweet thread

00:31:53.240 about shame

00:31:54.960 you say discussion

00:31:56.700 information

00:31:58.060 and facts

00:31:59.160 rarely work

00:32:00.900 on people

00:32:01.420 trapped in

00:32:02.200 totalitarian

00:32:02.940 ideologies

00:32:03.680 like woke

00:32:04.700 because they're

00:32:05.920 mainly afraid

00:32:06.440 it'll be found out

00:32:07.180 that they believe

00:32:07.740 shameful things

00:32:08.680 as determined

00:32:10.140 by the cult

00:32:10.700 the information

00:32:12.100 you give them

00:32:12.860 is a shameful

00:32:14.440 thing to believe

00:32:15.620 and I'm just going

00:32:16.480 to read your next

00:32:17.440 couple

00:32:17.780 when you're dealing

00:32:18.980 with a totalitarian

00:32:20.100 puritanical cult

00:32:21.860 most of the people

00:32:23.500 involved are in

00:32:24.600 an outer school

00:32:26.080 who barely know

00:32:27.420 any of the doctrine

00:32:28.280 they just know

00:32:29.120 it's shameful

00:32:29.700 to believe certain

00:32:30.600 things

00:32:30.960 and so either

00:32:31.900 won't suppression

00:32:33.440 or hide them

00:32:34.880 I'll just read

00:32:36.580 a couple more

00:32:37.100 the inner school

00:32:37.960 of the cult

00:32:38.520 which understands

00:32:39.920 the doctrine

00:32:40.500 has already

00:32:41.500 fully internalized

00:32:42.580 the cult's

00:32:43.060 shame structure

00:32:43.700 and also has

00:32:44.660 a profound

00:32:45.060 intellectual commitment

00:32:45.940 to it

00:32:46.300 they have to admit

00:32:47.380 they were wrong

00:32:48.040 about a lot

00:32:48.740 with consequences

00:32:49.800 in addition to

00:32:50.480 facing the shame

00:32:51.340 when you provide

00:32:53.100 puritanical cultists

00:32:54.120 with facts

00:32:54.620 and information

00:32:55.180 you're putting them

00:32:56.020 into a bind

00:32:56.760 that they're likely

00:32:57.620 to find intolerable

00:32:58.740 they might believe

00:32:59.620 or be exposed

00:33:00.200 for believing

00:33:00.640 shameful things

00:33:01.500 even the environment

00:33:03.040 has to be purged

00:33:03.820 of anything

00:33:04.260 or anyone

00:33:04.880 that might cause it

00:33:05.840 the psychological

00:33:06.580 and social dynamics

00:33:07.860 here are exquisite

00:33:08.820 and crucial to understand

00:33:10.520 it's the hermetic

00:33:11.600 ceiling of social identity

00:33:12.900 thus it treats life

00:33:14.300 as politics

00:33:15.000 and politics

00:33:15.940 as the friend

00:33:16.560 or enemy

00:33:16.920 of distinction

00:33:17.560 politics intrinsically

00:33:18.880 as group conflict

00:33:19.580 you aren't fighting

00:33:20.500 error

00:33:21.200 when working

00:33:22.760 with a puritanical cultist

00:33:24.000 you aren't fighting

00:33:24.880 error

00:33:25.300 as in they believe

00:33:26.560 in correct things

00:33:27.160 you're fighting

00:33:27.540 social identity

00:33:28.480 as in they aren't

00:33:30.760 an estimable person

00:33:31.920 shame

00:33:32.540 if they believe

00:33:33.500 anything else

00:33:34.580 identity level

00:33:37.100 conflicts

00:33:37.660 aren't factual

00:33:38.600 conflicts

00:33:39.120 before it is possible

00:33:40.360 to get people

00:33:40.820 out of such

00:33:41.300 a cult mentality

00:33:42.120 they must realize

00:33:44.160 they have permission

00:33:44.920 to believe

00:33:45.380 against cult doctrine

00:33:46.560 and have no reason

00:33:47.700 to be ashamed

00:33:48.220 for believing

00:33:48.720 those things

00:33:49.340 that they're

00:33:49.960 under a shaming

00:33:50.540 manipulation

00:33:51.160 and can emerge

00:33:51.880 intact

00:33:52.560 the challenge

00:33:53.720 is that facts

00:33:54.520 and accurate information

00:33:55.820 still matter

00:33:56.780 but they won't matter

00:33:57.900 until after the social

00:33:59.440 identity spell

00:34:00.060 is broken

00:34:00.520 you have to have

00:34:01.860 truths and ways

00:34:02.780 to communicate them

00:34:03.700 but you have to realize

00:34:05.120 that that's step two

00:34:06.100 not step one

00:34:07.100 in deprogramming

00:34:07.980 another challenge

00:34:09.040 is that social identity

00:34:09.920 thinking begets

00:34:10.680 social identity thinking

00:34:11.800 reaction is your

00:34:13.180 real action

00:34:13.780 friend

00:34:14.240 anyhow

00:34:14.860 it goes on

00:34:16.360 but I think

00:34:16.820 you're I think

00:34:17.520 you're right

00:34:18.040 and and that's

00:34:20.060 another thing

00:34:20.460 I asked in Ottawa

00:34:21.600 I asked these Jews

00:34:22.600 and they show

00:34:23.100 we could

00:34:23.460 they just have

00:34:24.180 some false facts

00:34:25.200 and I asked one of them

00:34:26.220 I said what

00:34:26.580 do you think

00:34:26.820 just showing him

00:34:27.520 showing these

00:34:28.660 Hamas supporters

00:34:30.000 the movie

00:34:30.580 Schindler's List

00:34:31.740 is gonna absolutely

00:34:33.680 flip them

00:34:34.320 and they're gonna

00:34:34.720 stop calling

00:34:35.580 for a global intifada

00:34:36.880 and they're gonna

00:34:37.760 the scales will fall

00:34:38.940 from their eyes

00:34:39.560 and they're gonna

00:34:39.900 suddenly be Zionist

00:34:40.960 like they're

00:34:41.680 you're not gonna

00:34:43.420 win a debate

00:34:44.160 first of all

00:34:44.700 they don't participate

00:34:45.440 in debates

00:34:45.900 second of all

00:34:46.320 they're not interested

00:34:47.040 in debate

00:34:47.400 third of all

00:34:47.860 like you say

00:34:48.280 this is about

00:34:49.300 who they are

00:34:50.400 and and even

00:34:51.600 if you say

00:34:52.240 something correct

00:34:52.840 they refuse to

00:34:53.460 accept it

00:34:53.920 because you are

00:34:54.840 the oppressor

00:34:55.540 and everything

00:34:56.080 you do is a lie

00:34:57.100 I just I don't

00:34:59.000 think our side

00:34:59.660 is equipped

00:35:00.320 for these zombies

00:35:01.820 well um

00:35:04.220 that's it's very

00:35:06.780 very difficult

00:35:07.400 to deal with

00:35:08.840 the people

00:35:09.280 who are as

00:35:10.600 I phrased it

00:35:11.320 in the inner

00:35:11.920 school the people

00:35:12.680 who know what

00:35:13.280 they're doing

00:35:13.720 and that are

00:35:14.120 doing it

00:35:14.680 are very

00:35:15.860 difficult to

00:35:16.400 reach

00:35:16.740 they may

00:35:17.320 not be

00:35:18.060 reachable

00:35:18.600 we may have

00:35:20.280 to deal

00:35:21.240 with them

00:35:21.620 in other

00:35:22.100 ways

00:35:22.420 which is

00:35:22.940 to put

00:35:23.820 quite a

00:35:24.720 fine point

00:35:25.320 on it

00:35:25.720 if they

00:35:26.420 commit crimes

00:35:27.400 following through

00:35:29.420 appropriately

00:35:30.000 by putting them

00:35:30.660 in prison

00:35:31.020 or deporting

00:35:31.620 them

00:35:31.860 and making

00:35:32.720 sure that

00:35:33.160 it's very

00:35:33.460 difficult

00:35:33.780 for them

00:35:34.260 to act

00:35:34.940 out their

00:35:35.620 intolerant

00:35:36.640 beliefs

00:35:37.060 and that

00:35:37.800 requires a lot

00:35:38.520 more spine

00:35:39.220 than we've

00:35:39.680 seen

00:35:39.960 and a lot

00:35:40.360 more willingness

00:35:40.940 to be called

00:35:41.680 names

00:35:42.500 associated

00:35:43.060 to shameful

00:35:43.680 ideas

00:35:44.180 than we've

00:35:44.520 had

00:35:44.760 the outer

00:35:45.540 school people

00:35:46.260 though

00:35:46.460 the people

00:35:46.960 that you're

00:35:47.440 talking to

00:35:48.000 for example

00:35:48.720 the people

00:35:49.580 I think

00:35:49.920 you're referring

00:35:50.480 to as

00:35:51.160 as kind

00:35:52.240 of sleepy

00:35:52.900 zombies

00:35:53.380 are much

00:35:54.620 more reachable

00:35:55.240 as a matter

00:35:55.640 of fact

00:35:56.020 not

00:35:56.660 I think

00:35:57.480 you probably

00:35:58.040 know

00:35:58.400 a lot

00:35:58.680 of people

00:35:58.920 know

00:35:59.160 that I'm

00:35:59.440 not

00:35:59.620 Christian

00:35:59.940 so I'm

00:36:00.240 not

00:36:00.400 shilling

00:36:00.700 for a

00:36:01.040 religion

00:36:01.320 here

00:36:01.640 but the

00:36:02.620 Christian

00:36:03.280 program

00:36:04.080 has been

00:36:04.520 extraordinarily

00:36:05.140 successful

00:36:05.980 at this

00:36:06.380 it begins

00:36:06.960 by telling

00:36:07.960 people

00:36:08.240 it's really

00:36:08.880 got a

00:36:09.180 three-part

00:36:09.680 program

00:36:10.580 that works

00:36:11.440 wonders

00:36:12.020 for getting

00:36:12.620 people

00:36:12.980 to hear

00:36:13.740 them

00:36:14.000 the first

00:36:14.840 step

00:36:15.220 is that

00:36:15.520 they tell

00:36:15.940 the truth

00:36:16.600 or they

00:36:16.940 proclaim

00:36:17.280 the gospel

00:36:17.860 as they

00:36:18.260 have it

00:36:18.660 which they

00:36:19.360 believe

00:36:19.720 fully to

00:36:20.320 be the

00:36:20.640 truth

00:36:20.940 so they

00:36:21.580 tell people

00:36:22.080 the truth

00:36:22.540 which maybe

00:36:23.180 the person

00:36:23.620 is not

00:36:24.040 ready to

00:36:24.460 hear

00:36:24.720 it's not

00:36:25.360 really

00:36:25.620 going to

00:36:26.060 sink

00:36:26.280 in

00:36:26.520 and then

00:36:27.040 they tell

00:36:27.360 them that

00:36:27.680 you're

00:36:27.820 welcome

00:36:28.020 to come

00:36:28.360 to it

00:36:28.640 in your

00:36:28.920 own

00:36:29.100 time

00:36:29.460 and then

00:36:30.160 as they

00:36:30.440 start to

00:36:30.960 explain

00:36:31.580 they say

00:36:32.240 look

00:36:32.600 the idea

00:36:33.860 that people

00:36:34.460 are going

00:36:34.840 to have

00:36:34.980 a hard

00:36:35.240 time

00:36:35.420 changing

00:36:35.700 their

00:36:35.900 mind

00:36:36.220 the

00:36:36.660 Christians

00:36:37.280 say

00:36:37.480 look

00:36:37.720 everybody's

00:36:38.380 a sinner

00:36:38.720 everybody

00:36:39.660 has

00:36:40.200 impure

00:36:41.140 thoughts

00:36:41.560 or bad

00:36:42.140 actions

00:36:42.580 or everybody

00:36:43.220 does this

00:36:43.860 this is a

00:36:44.360 piece of the

00:36:45.480 human condition

00:36:46.300 as a result

00:36:47.460 of the fall

00:36:48.020 of man

00:36:48.400 this is just

00:36:49.240 part of what

00:36:49.960 it means

00:36:50.240 to be human

00:36:50.760 is that

00:36:51.100 sometimes

00:36:51.440 you get

00:36:51.920 sucked

00:36:52.180 into this

00:36:52.680 stuff

00:36:53.020 and sometimes

00:36:53.940 you act

00:36:54.500 badly

00:36:54.820 and sometimes

00:36:55.380 you believe

00:36:55.860 wrong

00:36:56.100 and then

00:36:56.940 step three

00:36:57.440 is but

00:36:57.780 guess what

00:36:58.200 you can

00:36:58.520 leave it

00:36:58.800 behind you

00:36:59.220 you can

00:36:59.560 repent

00:36:59.980 and find

00:37:00.480 forgiveness

00:37:00.980 you can

00:37:01.920 actually

00:37:02.280 change

00:37:03.520 course

00:37:03.860 you don't

00:37:04.220 have to

00:37:04.580 feel

00:37:04.820 locked

00:37:05.340 into

00:37:05.900 a pattern

00:37:07.180 of shame

00:37:08.540 and disgrace

00:37:09.280 for the past

00:37:10.560 mistakes

00:37:10.940 that you've

00:37:11.340 had

00:37:11.580 and then

00:37:12.340 adopt those

00:37:13.200 as who

00:37:14.200 you are

00:37:14.520 but the

00:37:14.860 pathway

00:37:15.220 is very

00:37:16.220 simple

00:37:16.580 that you

00:37:16.880 tell people

00:37:17.360 the truth

00:37:17.860 then you

00:37:18.660 tell them

00:37:19.220 it's not

00:37:20.180 a huge

00:37:21.020 deal

00:37:21.360 that you

00:37:21.780 were mistaken

00:37:22.300 about this

00:37:22.880 there is a

00:37:23.700 way out

00:37:24.120 and then

00:37:24.580 that you

00:37:25.060 have to

00:37:25.520 actually

00:37:25.880 own the

00:37:26.340 mistake

00:37:26.700 and decide

00:37:27.240 to change

00:37:27.660 course

00:37:28.000 to do

00:37:28.360 it

00:37:28.540 which is

00:37:29.180 proclaim

00:37:29.500 the truth

00:37:30.080 remind

00:37:30.700 everybody

00:37:31.160 that everybody

00:37:31.760 makes

00:37:32.100 mistakes

00:37:32.600 or in

00:37:33.720 this case

00:37:34.080 is a

00:37:34.380 sinner

00:37:34.580 and that

00:37:35.240 repentance

00:37:35.660 is the

00:37:36.200 path

00:37:36.500 to a

00:37:37.120 better

00:37:37.280 life

00:37:37.660 and this

00:37:38.360 model

00:37:38.680 actually

00:37:39.100 works

00:37:39.540 this is

00:37:40.000 actually

00:37:40.340 a model

00:37:40.780 in a sense

00:37:41.260 of cult

00:37:41.600 deprogramming

00:37:42.320 because you

00:37:42.660 can very

00:37:42.940 easily get

00:37:43.660 people past

00:37:44.940 that wall

00:37:45.980 of vulnerability

00:37:46.840 where they

00:37:47.360 have to

00:37:47.800 confess that

00:37:48.500 they have

00:37:48.960 these shameful

00:37:49.620 thoughts

00:37:50.060 and get them

00:37:51.140 to realize

00:37:51.640 it's not

00:37:52.120 necessarily

00:37:52.540 shameful

00:37:53.060 everybody

00:37:54.400 gets pulled

00:37:54.960 into the

00:37:55.320 you know

00:37:55.660 you just

00:37:56.360 wanted to be

00:37:56.760 a good

00:37:56.960 person

00:37:57.260 everybody

00:37:57.600 wants to

00:37:57.980 be a good

00:37:58.280 person

00:37:58.640 we all

00:37:59.140 want to try

00:37:59.560 to do our

00:37:59.880 best most

00:38:00.420 of the

00:38:00.680 time

00:38:01.060 and so

00:38:02.260 you know

00:38:02.760 what

00:38:02.920 it's not

00:38:03.480 bad that

00:38:04.320 you fell

00:38:04.640 for it

00:38:05.060 but you

00:38:05.420 fell for it

00:38:05.920 and we've

00:38:06.120 got to move

00:38:06.500 forward more

00:38:07.100 productively

00:38:07.660 so go ahead

00:38:08.600 and you know

00:38:09.380 take all the

00:38:09.820 time you want

00:38:10.320 but when you're

00:38:10.740 ready we're

00:38:11.540 here for you

00:38:12.140 and you can

00:38:13.460 join us in

00:38:14.020 trying to solve

00:38:14.520 this problem

00:38:15.080 that model can

00:38:16.200 actually help

00:38:16.740 with the so-called

00:38:17.520 outer school

00:38:18.980 or the zombies

00:38:19.700 or whatever else

00:38:20.540 maybe there's a

00:38:22.240 reason why

00:38:22.780 Poland which I

00:38:23.580 think is still

00:38:24.140 a fairly

00:38:24.420 Christian country

00:38:25.320 is resisting

00:38:27.440 both mass

00:38:30.400 immigration and

00:38:31.780 wokeness

00:38:32.440 ideologically

00:38:32.980 and Hungary

00:38:33.540 too I'm not

00:38:34.040 sure how

00:38:34.680 Christian Hungary

00:38:35.380 is but I

00:38:36.000 think certainly

00:38:37.180 according to

00:38:37.620 Viktor Orban

00:38:38.320 Christianity is

00:38:39.500 an essential

00:38:40.000 part of their

00:38:41.260 national identity

00:38:42.120 I was talking

00:38:43.740 to Xi Van

00:38:44.500 Fleet a few

00:38:45.620 weeks ago who

00:38:46.900 grew up in

00:38:48.260 communist China

00:38:48.980 and experienced

00:38:49.580 first hand

00:38:50.240 some of Mao's

00:38:51.420 thinking and

00:38:53.360 you know the

00:38:56.020 youth the the

00:38:57.600 Red Guard in

00:38:58.640 your speech in

00:38:59.380 Calgary you

00:38:59.880 talked about the

00:39:00.400 Green Guard the

00:39:01.220 environmentalist led

00:39:02.080 by Greta

00:39:02.720 Tunberg who is

00:39:03.920 now remaking

00:39:04.580 herself as an

00:39:05.340 anti-Zionist it's

00:39:06.260 quite shocking

00:39:06.940 you talked about

00:39:08.880 the Rainbow Guard

00:39:10.020 getting young kids

00:39:11.480 to be on the

00:39:12.080 trans agenda

00:39:12.760 that's obviously

00:39:14.760 what's happening

00:39:15.840 on the Hamas

00:39:17.900 anti-Israel

00:39:19.860 mission as well

00:39:21.540 I think a lot

00:39:22.860 of that is

00:39:23.260 coming from

00:39:24.060 universities in

00:39:25.120 particular a

00:39:25.760 little bit from

00:39:26.200 high schools but

00:39:26.780 not as much

00:39:27.480 I think we've

00:39:29.540 got to pull out

00:39:30.460 by the roots the

00:39:31.360 entire equity

00:39:32.820 diversity

00:39:33.560 DEI there's a

00:39:36.560 lot of acronyms

00:39:37.160 diversity equity

00:39:38.500 and inclusion

00:39:39.080 DEI ESG on the

00:39:41.280 corporate side

00:39:41.880 environmental social

00:39:42.760 governance all

00:39:43.560 these are woke

00:39:44.440 ideas fused to

00:39:46.540 important institutions

00:39:47.740 investment funds

00:39:49.160 like BlackRock

00:39:50.620 universities from

00:39:52.680 Harvard all the

00:39:53.340 way down I

00:39:54.820 think they've been

00:39:55.520 shown to be

00:39:57.360 false they've been

00:39:59.100 shown that as

00:40:01.720 per your analysis

00:40:03.060 they will denounce

00:40:05.140 anyone who they

00:40:06.020 regard as an

00:40:06.600 oppressor even if

00:40:07.400 it violates liberal

00:40:08.840 values they're not

00:40:09.540 liberal they're

00:40:10.580 radical leftists

00:40:11.420 there's a difference

00:40:12.120 I don't see any

00:40:15.340 ripping out of

00:40:16.400 the DEI ESG

00:40:18.760 wokeness other

00:40:20.140 than a few

00:40:20.820 attempts by

00:40:21.720 Texas and

00:40:23.860 Florida in a

00:40:24.740 small state

00:40:25.800 capacity I don't

00:40:26.760 see a broad

00:40:27.920 cultural rejection

00:40:29.380 of this wokeness in

00:40:31.200 the institutions

00:40:31.860 and I think if

00:40:33.020 you don't pull it

00:40:33.680 out if the

00:40:34.600 funders of

00:40:35.300 universities don't

00:40:36.440 pull it out

00:40:37.880 if the

00:40:38.640 governments don't

00:40:40.960 say we're going

00:40:41.360 to cut your

00:40:41.760 funding to zero

00:40:42.560 unless you fire

00:40:43.440 all these DEI

00:40:44.480 if you don't

00:40:46.280 pull the woke

00:40:46.900 out it's going

00:40:48.000 to survive and

00:40:48.600 continue and

00:40:49.140 thrive and this

00:40:50.220 wave of young

00:40:51.880 radicals in their

00:40:53.200 20s is soon

00:40:53.960 that wave will

00:40:55.300 continue they'll

00:40:55.840 be in their

00:40:56.160 30s 40s 50s

00:40:57.140 they'll be judges

00:40:58.080 and lawyers and

00:40:59.060 senators and

00:40:59.680 presidents soon

00:41:00.480 and I don't see

00:41:02.200 the pushback

00:41:02.560 go ahead

00:41:02.880 no the pushback

00:41:04.920 is necessary

00:41:05.480 because a lot

00:41:07.220 of the reason

00:41:07.660 that we're in

00:41:08.040 the mess that

00:41:08.440 we're in now

00:41:09.080 and the historians

00:41:10.480 of Marxist

00:41:11.260 education write

00:41:12.060 this down

00:41:12.600 is that the

00:41:13.460 60s radicals

00:41:14.480 which is the

00:41:14.880 last time this

00:41:15.400 really flared up

00:41:16.200 after their

00:41:18.140 radicalism did

00:41:19.020 not bear the

00:41:19.780 fruit did not

00:41:20.600 give them the

00:41:21.020 revolution they

00:41:21.600 wanted they

00:41:22.460 went into

00:41:22.840 education and

00:41:23.680 they became the

00:41:24.520 teachers and the

00:41:25.260 professors they

00:41:26.040 have now infected

00:41:26.720 the youth so you

00:41:27.540 end up Mao had

00:41:28.340 his red guard

00:41:28.960 which he built

00:41:29.660 by taking over

00:41:30.860 the school starting

00:41:31.760 in 1949 so that

00:41:33.520 he could unleash

00:41:34.080 them in 1966 a

00:41:35.540 lot of people don't

00:41:36.080 know that history

00:41:36.680 of China I have

00:41:37.520 talked about it in

00:41:38.160 Calgary so you

00:41:38.920 heard it well you

00:41:41.360 mentioned the

00:41:41.980 environmental side

00:41:43.360 of it with Greta

00:41:44.040 Thunberg the the

00:41:45.140 green guard when

00:41:46.460 you can talk about

00:41:47.320 the LGBT especially

00:41:48.880 the the queer

00:41:49.660 theory trans side

00:41:50.600 of it and that's

00:41:51.180 the rainbow guard

00:41:52.120 and then you got

00:41:52.780 this Hamas that's a

00:41:53.640 watermelon guard I

00:41:54.640 guess green on the

00:41:55.420 outside red on the

00:41:56.200 inside and what

00:41:58.000 these are is it is

00:41:59.240 the radicalized

00:42:00.100 youth that is taking

00:42:02.560 up idealism and is

00:42:03.840 taking up a very

00:42:04.780 propagandized version

00:42:06.260 of history and

00:42:07.900 getting fed this

00:42:09.800 what Mao taught is

00:42:11.320 what they're teaching

00:42:11.840 today is that there

00:42:12.740 are the people and

00:42:13.460 then they're the

00:42:13.840 enemies of the

00:42:14.300 people and what

00:42:14.880 you teach is hate

00:42:16.200 across that dividing

00:42:17.660 line the people are

00:42:19.020 the people who have

00:42:19.780 a righteous claim the

00:42:21.260 enemies of the

00:42:21.760 people are people who

00:42:22.580 want to stop them and

00:42:23.540 you are to hate the

00:42:24.640 enemies of the people

00:42:25.460 and anything resist or

00:42:27.900 anything going up

00:42:28.520 against them is

00:42:29.020 resistance and is

00:42:29.900 justified and this is

00:42:31.440 exactly what you are

00:42:33.280 putting your finger on

00:42:34.180 when you talk about

00:42:34.900 the DEI apparatus

00:42:36.580 ESG of course the

00:42:39.040 S in ESG is social

00:42:40.560 and DEI the

00:42:42.240 diversity equity

00:42:42.880 inclusion stuff is

00:42:43.820 the S in ESG so

00:42:45.540 they're they're part

00:42:46.360 and parcel of the

00:42:47.160 same but with DEI

00:42:48.720 what you have to

00:42:49.260 understand it the

00:42:49.960 words don't mean what

00:42:51.000 they sound like they

00:42:51.680 mean equity has a

00:42:52.880 definition it means

00:42:54.020 socialism it

00:42:55.000 literally is an

00:42:56.320 administered economy

00:42:57.380 that redistributes

00:42:58.240 shares in order to

00:42:58.980 make citizens more

00:42:59.820 equal that socialism by

00:43:01.920 definition as far as

00:43:03.960 diversity and

00:43:04.600 inclusion what is it

00:43:05.660 diverse diversity

00:43:06.700 according to what

00:43:07.620 well if you have the

00:43:09.180 existing society the

00:43:10.600 Western hegemony

00:43:11.720 diverse to that so

00:43:14.500 what's outside of the

00:43:16.080 Western hegemony well

00:43:17.220 communists and

00:43:18.140 Islamists so you bring

00:43:19.560 those people in they're

00:43:20.780 the ones that count as

00:43:21.540 diverse inclusion means

00:43:23.400 including people who

00:43:25.000 are not part of the

00:43:26.400 Western hegemony the

00:43:27.360 Western hegemony Canadian

00:43:28.980 values American values

00:43:30.480 European values those

00:43:32.000 things have been

00:43:32.440 keeping the outsiders

00:43:33.360 out so inclusion means

00:43:34.720 including views from

00:43:36.840 the margins it means

00:43:38.000 including the

00:43:39.480 communists and the

00:43:40.620 Islamists who want to

00:43:41.920 destroy your society so

00:43:43.500 if we don't get rid of

00:43:45.020 these perverted values

00:43:46.620 going by nice names like

00:43:48.780 diversity and inclusion

00:43:50.220 and equity if we don't

00:43:51.760 get rid of those we have

00:43:52.840 no chance for stopping

00:43:53.920 this those are excuses to

00:43:55.420 set up the apparatuses to

00:43:57.340 brainwash the youth just

00:43:58.640 like Mao brainwashed the

00:43:59.780 youth Mao created a red

00:44:01.340 guard and we have this

00:44:02.200 kind of group of

00:44:03.760 interlocking or

00:44:05.060 intersecting is their

00:44:06.220 word for it different

00:44:07.700 radicalized youth

00:44:08.780 movements that are like

00:44:10.060 I said you can think of

00:44:10.920 the green guard the

00:44:11.660 rainbow guard the

00:44:12.340 watermelon guard whatever

00:44:13.280 cute names we want to

00:44:14.260 give them they're all

00:44:15.280 just Western reinventions

00:44:16.600 of Mao's red guard using

00:44:18.960 intersectionality instead

00:44:20.440 of Mao's kind of

00:44:21.540 contrived Marxist

00:44:22.740 identity politics he

00:44:23.920 unleashed on the Chinese

00:44:24.760 people

00:44:25.120 it's it's incredible and

00:44:29.700 I see it even in the

00:44:31.080 military just the other

00:44:32.580 day Canada's chief of

00:44:33.420 defense staff did a

00:44:34.860 multi-part tweet about

00:44:36.180 how much he enjoyed a

00:44:37.500 book about the global

00:44:38.440 far right

00:44:39.300 that's that's what the

00:44:42.200 head of the Canadian

00:44:42.700 military is thinking about

00:44:44.160 and talking about in the

00:44:44.960 United States they're

00:44:46.320 talking about you know

00:44:47.260 they're having photo

00:44:48.140 features with the

00:44:49.300 transgender generals and

00:44:52.240 it's it's just incredible

00:44:54.820 how deep in every

00:44:55.880 institution it's gone

00:44:57.180 you know that the far

00:45:00.220 right was one of Mao's

00:45:01.200 categories of enemies of

00:45:02.620 the people right it was

00:45:03.540 just right wing he had

00:45:05.160 these five different

00:45:05.980 categories of enemies of

00:45:07.120 the people and one of

00:45:08.380 them the last one was

00:45:09.240 just right wing some of

00:45:11.580 the others were bad

00:45:12.620 element which means

00:45:13.560 anybody that Mao didn't

00:45:14.720 like we I think we call

00:45:15.720 them domestic extremists

00:45:16.940 or something like that

00:45:17.720 today you know these

00:45:20.600 categories are being

00:45:21.660 reinvigorated and what it

00:45:23.780 actually means when you

00:45:24.820 hear the far right what

00:45:26.220 that means is enemies of

00:45:27.760 the people that's all it

00:45:28.940 means and so holding a

00:45:30.160 value that they say oh

00:45:31.920 that's a far right view

00:45:33.080 that is something shameful

00:45:35.260 and they're trying to

00:45:36.020 activate that shame so

00:45:37.320 that people won't hold a

00:45:38.600 far right view and they

00:45:40.020 won't end up in the

00:45:41.120 enemies of the people

00:45:41.920 class or be associated

00:45:43.040 with the enemies of the

00:45:43.780 people class it's the

00:45:44.480 exact same psychology

00:45:45.820 that Mao used to conquer

00:45:46.900 the CCP and then used his

00:45:48.920 consolidated CCP to

00:45:50.520 conquer China in the

00:45:52.240 1940s and again in the

00:45:53.460 1960s

00:45:54.260 you know you've been

00:45:57.160 very generous with your

00:45:57.900 time I don't want to

00:45:58.560 keep you too long but I

00:46:00.360 look for hope because

00:46:02.080 you've got to because

00:46:03.300 there's bad news

00:46:03.880 everywhere I had the

00:46:05.020 pleasure recently of

00:46:06.180 sitting down with

00:46:06.700 Keert Wilders the leader

00:46:08.060 of the Dutch party for

00:46:09.020 freedom who got a very

00:46:11.140 large vote in the

00:46:12.280 parliamentary elections

00:46:13.200 there I mean it's a

00:46:14.580 it's a multi-party

00:46:16.140 system there's 20 parties

00:46:17.780 in parliament so hearing

00:46:19.760 that he got a quarter of

00:46:21.100 the votes may not sound

00:46:22.140 impressive to you in a

00:46:23.920 country where there's

00:46:24.460 basically two parties or

00:46:25.500 to us where there's

00:46:26.640 basically two and a half

00:46:27.560 parties in Canada but in

00:46:29.260 Holland that was amazing

00:46:30.400 it was a thunderclap it

00:46:31.640 was it was shocking and

00:46:33.900 startling and even since

00:46:35.020 then he's risen in the

00:46:36.120 polls and he is expressly

00:46:39.120 against mass migration and

00:46:40.720 he's not ashamed to say

00:46:41.760 it and then I see in

00:46:43.300 Argentina which I hadn't

00:46:44.660 thought much about until I

00:46:46.780 see this wild man also with

00:46:49.060 a fantastic head of hair

00:46:50.580 Javier Millet and I see

00:46:52.800 all these clips and I

00:46:53.980 don't think he speaks

00:46:54.640 English well at least I

00:46:56.280 haven't seen him speak

00:46:57.020 English on online but I've

00:46:58.300 seen a lot of translated

00:46:59.320 clips Tucker Carlson did a

00:47:00.960 big sit down with them and

00:47:02.820 he is not just a cliche

00:47:04.600 speaker he seems to have a

00:47:07.900 deep into like he sometimes

00:47:09.320 he's quite theatrical like

00:47:10.700 he's got a chainsaw and he

00:47:12.160 he does some dramatic

00:47:13.200 things and in some ways he's

00:47:14.680 very Trumpy like he loves

00:47:16.680 Twitter but I think he has an

00:47:18.840 intellectual depth that

00:47:20.460 actually Trump does not

00:47:21.800 have Trump has an instinct

00:47:23.240 an excellent instinct

00:47:24.100 yeah I perceive that

00:47:25.120 but Millet he'll quote

00:47:27.380 philosophers at great

00:47:28.820 length he'll quote

00:47:29.420 economists he I saw him

00:47:31.480 quoting John Locke

00:47:32.400 Milton Friedman like and

00:47:33.560 and with with

00:47:34.880 understanding and meaning

00:47:35.920 he's not just name

00:47:36.840 dropping and I think

00:47:38.580 that's a bit of a miracle

00:47:40.200 I mean Argentina is a

00:47:41.380 serious country what do

00:47:42.200 you make of these little

00:47:43.420 green shoots I'm hoping

00:47:44.880 that there's and by the

00:47:46.060 way just a couple days

00:47:47.740 before the election he

00:47:48.820 he waved an Israeli flag

00:47:50.580 which you know put aside

00:47:54.000 you know this should a man

00:47:55.540 wave another country's

00:47:56.560 flag that's a good

00:47:57.240 question but let's put

00:47:57.960 that aside for a second

00:47:58.880 the reason I mention is

00:48:00.300 he obviously wasn't afraid

00:48:02.660 of the pro-Hamas lobby in

00:48:06.080 his own country like that's

00:48:07.140 a very provocative thing

00:48:08.260 you're you're telling a

00:48:10.300 whole swath of people

00:48:11.160 you're not with them

00:48:12.120 and he won so what do you

00:48:15.540 make of these two guys

00:48:16.560 Geert Wilders and

00:48:17.340 Javier Miele

00:48:17.900 well what I'll tell you is

00:48:21.100 that

00:48:21.740 tyranny always has within it

00:48:25.220 the seed of its own

00:48:26.480 destruction and in this

00:48:28.040 case

00:48:28.440 not only are people much

00:48:30.880 more fed up and I think

00:48:32.040 that what these two guys

00:48:33.020 are showing is that they

00:48:35.260 are they are emblems of a

00:48:37.580 growing dissatisfaction with

00:48:40.300 the corrupt regimes around

00:48:43.480 the world around the West

00:48:44.940 and I think that we're

00:48:46.240 seeing that but more

00:48:47.500 importantly than that

00:48:48.280 since we've talked

00:48:48.940 primarily about this

00:48:50.000 culture of shame this

00:48:51.280 people versus enemies of

00:48:52.980 the people I think what

00:48:54.160 we're seeing is and we

00:48:55.680 can hearken back to when

00:48:57.020 Hillary Clinton called

00:48:58.400 Trump supporters she said

00:48:59.460 half of them are a basket

00:49:00.720 of deplorables to quote her

00:49:02.300 pretty closely to what she

00:49:03.680 actually said you know and

00:49:05.220 of course that became a

00:49:06.600 rallying cry that ended up

00:49:08.240 I think getting Trump

00:49:09.120 elected or helping getting

00:49:10.920 Trump elected I should say

00:49:12.080 the deplorable identity

00:49:15.100 this is the seed of its own

00:49:17.420 destruction because when

00:49:18.260 you have and the dynamics

00:49:20.280 of that election in 2016 I

00:49:22.480 think are very important to

00:49:23.300 look back at because if you

00:49:24.740 remember the polls were not

00:49:26.760 very suggestive they were

00:49:27.820 very heavily tipped toward

00:49:29.120 Hillary Clinton and then all

00:49:30.680 of a sudden there's not just

00:49:31.680 this win but this very

00:49:32.600 significant win for Donald

00:49:33.920 Trump and even in New York

00:49:35.960 Times was taken utterly by

00:49:37.340 surprise and the nation

00:49:38.700 and the world were taken by

00:49:40.040 surprise and there's when

00:49:42.200 you're in a heavy culture of

00:49:43.580 shame where you're not

00:49:44.580 allowed to hold shameful

00:49:45.720 thoughts publicly but you

00:49:48.060 finally pass your breaking

00:49:49.360 point and you know you hold

00:49:50.820 them and you know you know

00:49:52.380 you hold them and you don't

00:49:53.980 mind that you hold them you

00:49:55.500 enter into a state that's

00:49:56.680 called preference

00:49:57.520 falsification you pretend you

00:50:01.660 pretend that you're going

00:50:03.520 along with the system you

00:50:05.020 pretend that DEI is okay you

00:50:07.600 pretend all of these things

00:50:09.000 and in reality you don't feel

00:50:11.920 that way at all and so when

00:50:13.260 somebody like these two

00:50:14.760 gentlemen speak up you show

00:50:16.880 up in very large numbers and

00:50:19.280 you vote for them there's a of

00:50:21.540 course peril here I don't think

00:50:23.240 these two guys represent that

00:50:24.720 but this is always the

00:50:26.320 invitation for a strong man or

00:50:27.900 a tyrant to take advantage of

00:50:29.420 that but in the characters of

00:50:31.400 those two and in the character of

00:50:32.820 Donald Trump I think what you

00:50:34.640 see is that there is more of a

00:50:36.460 groundswell that is awake and

00:50:38.500 aware even if they're not

00:50:39.780 saying as much out loud as we

00:50:41.720 think there is and that that is

00:50:45.260 the hope I think of liberty and

00:50:47.460 the future I mean Millet is

00:50:49.540 expressly a libertarian every

00:50:51.380 other word that he talks about is

00:50:52.660 for liberty when he's not calling

00:50:53.980 the left some horrifically funny

00:50:55.480 name and so there I think is a

00:50:59.100 tremendous amount of hope I think

00:51:00.600 that these are are signals saying

00:51:03.880 that there is a quiet mass of

00:51:08.300 people that is very large in

00:51:09.700 number that have had enough they

00:51:12.360 have had enough of all of this even

00:51:14.200 if they're not saying so out loud

00:51:15.500 even if they wouldn't say so in

00:51:16.940 interview even if they wouldn't

00:51:18.620 tell a pollster and we may be in a

00:51:21.640 in for seeing in quite a number of

00:51:23.660 electoral surprises in the near

00:51:25.160 future you know you make me think of

00:51:28.540 how it was at the end of the Soviet

00:51:30.660 Union when about your you know

00:51:33.620 people outwardly showing that they

00:51:36.640 support the regime but inwardly fed up

00:51:39.560 and they were living two lives what

00:51:40.980 they said in public to people they

00:51:43.020 didn't know what they said to their

00:51:44.280 trusted family in private and Pope John

00:51:48.220 Paul II and Ronald Reagan and Margaret

00:51:51.000 Thatcher captured that moment and I

00:51:53.400 really think planted the seed of

00:51:55.500 freedom I remember when the Pope went

00:51:57.380 to Poland and said be not afraid that

00:52:00.860 was his message don't be afraid

00:52:02.320 anymore and they said okay we won't

00:52:05.440 be and that's what it took and my

00:52:08.960 worry is that we're much more

00:52:10.700 controlled now we're controlled by our

00:52:12.380 phones and by the internet and and

00:52:15.380 frankly I think Elon Musk pulled back

00:52:17.600 the curtain and showed us how much we

00:52:20.140 were controlled I'm worried for him

00:52:21.680 frankly I'm worried that he will suffer

00:52:24.000 an untimely death or some false I mean

00:52:28.660 I think it's only a matter of time if

00:52:30.960 if before the Department of Justice does

00:52:33.860 to him what they're trying to do to

00:52:35.020 Donald Trump I mean why would no it's

00:52:36.780 very predictable if you all you really

00:52:38.980 have to do if you want to start making

00:52:40.300 shrewd guesses about how they'll go

00:52:41.900 after their enemies is read the

00:52:43.140 articles they write about their enemies

00:52:44.480 and say what kinds of things that

00:52:46.680 they're doing and what the dangers and

00:52:48.680 risks are associated so for example for

00:52:50.740 the last two years or last year since

00:52:52.700 Elon bought Twitter rebranded it as X

00:52:55.660 there have been a large number of

00:52:57.200 articles suggesting that what he's done

00:52:58.940 is somehow made the internet less

00:53:00.920 secure and less safe and so that it

00:53:02.660 opens up the possibility for cyber

00:53:04.140 attacks so the cyber I put this on

00:53:06.600 Twitter the other day the cyber attacks

00:53:07.980 are probably going to come from inside

00:53:09.360 the house and we're going to blame

00:53:10.400 them on Elon Musk and some gigantic

00:53:12.540 internet outage next year that gets

00:53:14.240 blamed on Elon Musk somehow breaking

00:53:15.840 internet security by owning Twitter is a

00:53:17.920 very likely vector for how all of this

00:53:20.260 next step will go down I mean you can

00:53:22.180 all you have to do is read the stories

00:53:23.860 because they're trying to plant ideas to

00:53:25.760 get people familiar with them so that

00:53:27.580 when the narrative drop or when the

00:53:29.260 action drops they can pin it to the

00:53:31.160 narrative that they've already built

00:53:32.240 this is a this is repeating pattern not

00:53:34.280 to go off on some tangent but I would

00:53:36.120 say that that is a reliable bet as to

00:53:39.020 what they're going to do to go after

00:53:40.160 Elon yeah I think he's the most

00:53:42.080 valuable man right now I think I look

00:53:45.980 around the G7 I see the seven dwarfs I

00:53:51.240 don't know what's going to happen in the

00:53:52.620 US election next year maybe Trump will

00:53:54.340 win even if he's in a jail cell maybe

00:53:56.340 he'll win but until then I think the

00:53:58.560 person who makes the most difference

00:53:59.900 not just with his ownership of Twitter

00:54:02.980 but with his intellectual statements

00:54:04.440 which are often short and quippy but

00:54:06.900 quite pithy I think Elon Musk is the

00:54:10.880 leading man and hopefully others will

00:54:12.100 join him but listen you are as always a

00:54:15.420 great educator on these matters and I

00:54:19.500 appreciate you an hour goes by too

00:54:21.520 quickly I appreciate you being so

00:54:22.780 generous with your time and I'm sorry

00:54:24.460 I talk too much I just want to react to

00:54:26.560 everything you say I want to show you

00:54:28.180 videos we've encountered along the way

00:54:30.320 that illustrate your points because I

00:54:32.380 see these things in the wild and I'm

00:54:34.420 trying to understand it and the shame

00:54:35.840 thing is a big thing I've learned from

00:54:37.200 you today why would Jews who are so

00:54:40.040 terrified about Hamas hate rallies in the

00:54:42.120 West that they go to a rally why would

00:54:43.940 they still not bring themselves to say

00:54:45.800 yeah maybe we should reduce

00:54:47.460 immigration what is going on there

00:54:49.540 psychologically and I think your

00:54:50.800 answer of shame is a big part of it

00:54:53.540 Dr. James Lindsay great to see you the

00:54:56.180 websites newdiscourses.com keep it up

00:54:58.440 we'll follow you on Twitter and we hope

00:54:59.640 to talk again soon

00:55:00.520 yeah thank you Ezra

00:55:02.140 right on well there you have it that's

00:55:04.860 our show for today until tomorrow on

00:55:07.720 behalf of all of us here at rebel world

00:55:09.520 headquarters to you at home good night

00:55:11.780 and keep fighting for freedom

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Rebel News Podcast - December 08, 2023

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Leftists despise humanity and consider their opponents to be 'invalid people'

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