Rebel News Podcast - April 11, 2024


EZRA LEVANT ｜ Pierre Poilievre gives a speech and a global warming kook heckles him


Episode Stats

Length

46 minutes

Words per Minute

154.90393

Word Count

7,232

Sentence Count

426

Misogynist Sentences

5

Hate Speech Sentences

5


Summary

A Global Warming Kook heckles Pierre Polyev at the Canada Strong and Free Conference in Ottawa, and a heckler stands up to heckle him. Also, Boris Johnson and Chrystia Freeland have some words of praise for each other.


Transcript

00:00:00.260 Hello, my friends. Very interesting speech by Pierre Polyev today, and an interesting
00:00:05.480 moment when a heckler stands up. We've got the video. I want you to see the video, so
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00:00:26.240 we don't take any money from Trudeau, and it shows. All right, here's today's podcast.
00:00:35.120 Tonight, Pierre Polyev gives a speech, and a global warming kook heckles him. It's April 11th,
00:00:41.140 and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
00:00:42.480 Shame on you, you censorious bug.
00:00:56.240 You know, the Canada Strong and Free Conference started today. It looks great. Our reporter,
00:01:04.260 Alexa Lavoie, is out there. It looks healthy. It used to be called the Manning Conference,
00:01:09.220 named after Preston Manning, and it started off great, but during the Harper years, it became more
00:01:17.520 and more, in my mind, about lobbyists trying to get angles to sell things to the conservatives. It felt
00:01:24.280 like it was really a lobbyist convention, not an ideas convention. Of course, Stephen Harper has
00:01:30.380 not been in office in nine years, and so the idea of lobbyists going to a conservative conference to
00:01:36.920 get access to power is moot. So I think the ideas are back, although people, I think, believe that
00:01:43.380 Pierre Polyev will, in fact, be prime minister within a year. Tony Abbott was one of the guest
00:01:49.740 speakers. He's a strong conservative. I was at an event with him earlier this week in Calgary,
00:01:55.380 and he referenced Rebel News. He knows who we are. Of course, Avi Yamini is our Australian star who
00:02:01.340 really covered the lockdown better than anyone else in Australia. I learned from Tony Abbott that he
00:02:07.740 himself, at his personal residence, was visited three times by cops who were investigating him
00:02:15.180 for breaking COVID rules. Isn't that incredible? He's a real freedom-oriented guy. Also at the
00:02:22.600 conference in Ottawa, Boris Johnson, the former British PM. I'm not sure he's really conservative.
00:02:29.380 He was the imposer of lockdowns. I'm not sure I would cheer that hard for him. All he's known for now,
00:02:37.780 though, I think, is Ukraine. And he is famous for being the one who scuppered a peace deal
00:02:44.620 between Russia and Ukraine that was being brokered by Israel. Why would he do that? As they say in
00:02:52.780 Latin, cui bono. Who benefits from that? My visit to the Ukraine pavilion at the World Economic Forum,
00:02:59.760 as you know, twice I've gone to the Ukraine pavilion to really listen to the Ukrainian side of
00:03:04.580 the story. And doing so has utterly convinced me of the horrors of that war and how dearly I wish the
00:03:13.700 war had ended a year and a half ago when that peace deal was being sewn together. How many thousands of
00:03:22.360 people, both soldiers and civilians, have died since then. I note that Chrystia Freeland, the liberal
00:03:29.000 deputy prime minister, who normally has nothing kind to say about conservatives, said this,
00:03:33.920 Welcome to Canada, Boris Johnson. You are a great defender and friend of Ukraine. Last year you told
00:03:41.860 Republicans they should support Ukraine. I hope Pierre Polyev and the conservatives can heed your
00:03:46.040 words and follow your example. It's weird that she's Ukraine-centric, not Canadian-centric. And I don't
00:03:55.240 know how supporting Ukraine manifests itself in 2024. I think finding a peaceful resolution that can
00:04:02.400 preserve Ukrainian territory and stop Ukrainian casualties. If I was dedicated to helping Ukraine,
00:04:10.340 that would be top of my mind. But even so, even if Chrystia Freeland has a different approach,
00:04:15.640 she can't help herself by turning Ukraine into a political weapon to use against her conservative
00:04:21.060 opponents. I mentioned before, Alexa Lavoie is there getting half a dozen interviews. I love the fact
00:04:28.680 that Rebel News is back. Not that we ever went away. I guess the better way to say that is
00:04:34.520 the conservative party is back. Under the timid, cowardly lion, Aaron O'Toole and Andrew Scheer before
00:04:43.180 him, the conservative party didn't like to talk to Rebel News. I think we're the same we've always been.
00:04:48.980 We ask questions in the name of our viewers. We answer to our conservative conscience. I really don't
00:04:54.480 think we've changed. What's changed is that the conservative party is actually conservative
00:05:00.440 again. So they're not afraid of actual conservative questions. It's a delight to hear Alexa having so
00:05:07.060 many interview requests met. There's good panels. I looked at the agenda. There's a panel on censorship,
00:05:16.020 censorship, a panel on global warming from the skeptics' point of view, fighting foreign influence,
00:05:21.980 etc. Looks like a substantive and genuinely right-wing event. I even see that Imperial Tobacco
00:05:30.140 has a hospitality suite. That shows that they're not as politically correct as they might be.
00:05:36.560 I want to show you a video clip that I saw earlier today. It's a heckler heckling Pierre Polyev
00:05:43.860 during his keynote speech at this conference. I want to play it for you, and then I have two
00:05:48.380 observations I'd like to share here. Take a look at the heckler who's then escorted out. I want you
00:05:52.920 to watch this clip. Take a look.
00:05:53.960 You want the wildfire?
00:05:56.540 Look at all these people.
00:05:58.040 Do I have a 40,000 to 400 people? Fight for fire!
00:06:15.560 Just press press press!
00:06:26.280 I think that heckler's pretty boring.
00:06:38.360 Just a non-player character, as the kids say.
00:06:41.960 Just reading the same script as any professional environmental protester.
00:06:46.040 I don't think she was interesting.
00:06:48.100 What was interesting is how young that crowd looked.
00:06:52.140 At first, I thought, what was this, a youth event or a youth meeting at the conference?
00:06:57.680 No, that's the conference.
00:06:59.300 That is the face of conservatives in 2024.
00:07:02.800 I compare that to any time I see a crowd shot for the NDP in particular.
00:07:07.980 The Conservative Party of Canada in 2024 is the party of young people.
00:07:12.720 And did you see that lady at the end eating an apple?
00:07:16.660 What was that all about?
00:07:17.960 Well, remember this amazing viral video from a few months ago?
00:07:22.500 The original apple eating video?
00:07:25.040 Taking the page of Donald Trump's book, but also...
00:07:27.340 What are you talking about?
00:07:28.140 What page?
00:07:28.780 What page?
00:07:29.220 Can you give me a page?
00:07:29.960 Give me the page.
00:07:31.140 You keep saying that.
00:07:32.180 In terms of turning things quite dramatically in terms of Trudeau and the left wing and all of this.
00:07:38.120 I mean, you make quite a, you know, it's quite a play that you make on it.
00:07:42.460 So, I'm just wondering.
00:07:43.940 I don't know what your question is.
00:07:45.700 Then forget that.
00:07:46.600 Why should Canadians trust you with their vote?
00:07:50.260 Common sense.
00:07:51.060 Common sense for a change.
00:07:55.380 We're going to make common sense common in this country.
00:07:58.480 We don't have any common sense in the current government.
00:08:01.920 You know, the guy prints $600 billion, grows our money supply by 32% in three years.
00:08:09.160 That's growing the money eight times faster than the economy.
00:08:13.640 No wonder we have the worst inflation in four decades.
00:08:16.780 I'm going to cap spending, cut waste, so that we can balance the budget and bring down inflation and interest rates.
00:08:22.840 You'll want to be able to pay your mortgage again.
00:08:24.460 You want to be able to afford rent.
00:08:26.060 Then you have to vote for Pierre Polyev because I'm the only one with a common sense plan that will bring back the buying power of your paycheck.
00:08:34.300 Just classic.
00:08:35.480 I sort of wish I was there.
00:08:37.120 Hey, let me leave you with three clips from Polyev's speech because I watched it and it was actually a pretty good speech.
00:08:44.960 First, I want to play a really long cut because it's one big idea woven into three parts.
00:08:53.020 Here is Pierre Polyev taking a battering ram to the snobby, condescending, elitist view that the liberals are better than you,
00:09:04.340 that they know what they're doing and you don't, that they're safe hands for the country,
00:09:08.360 that conservatives are like cowboys that can't be trusted.
00:09:11.960 Listen to this.
00:09:12.920 I think Pierre Polyev demolishes the Liberal Party and all of its enablers.
00:09:17.720 Take a look at this.
00:09:18.620 Don't go away.
00:09:19.160 I'm going to come back.
00:09:19.840 I know this is a long clip, but you've got to watch the whole part.
00:09:21.740 Take a look.
00:09:25.460 Merci beaucoup.
00:09:26.440 Who's ready to axe the tax?
00:09:29.280 Who's ready to build the homes?
00:09:31.560 Who's ready to fix the budget?
00:09:32.960 Who's ready to stop the crime?
00:09:36.900 J'allais commencer mon discours en parlant de mon plan de gros bon sens, de couper taxes, impôts, bâtir des logements, repérer le budget et stopper les crimes.
00:09:46.100 I was going to start my speech today as properly scripted by my team,
00:09:51.840 talking about my common sense plan to axe the tax, build the homes, fix the budget and stop the crime.
00:09:57.740 But I was interrupted by the testimony I just read from our very own Prime Minister just yesterday.
00:10:07.620 He said something incredible, although not so surprising.
00:10:11.740 Of course, what we're investigating is whether a foreign dictatorship interfered in our democracy in multiple elections to help him win.
00:10:22.340 A communist dictatorship seeking to keep in office someone who said he admires that communist dictatorship.
00:10:30.480 But his defense actually speaks for itself.
00:10:36.240 The Prime Minister was asked why he didn't do anything about this interference, even though he was warned in briefing notes,
00:10:45.120 is that he doesn't read briefing notes.
00:10:47.960 Now, we often don't believe the things that this guy says, but I think that most Canadians would believe that defense.
00:10:57.260 I think it's plausible that Justin Trudeau doesn't read documents that come before him.
00:11:04.060 In fact, I think it's likely that he doesn't read things that come before him.
00:11:08.380 And I think that that defense is interesting for three reasons.
00:11:11.800 One, because the ivory tower elites who support him and his ideology of concentrating all the power and money in their hands,
00:11:24.320 they always tell us how wonderfully sophisticated and cosmopolitan they are, how brilliant they are.
00:11:31.920 And that's why they're entitled.
00:11:33.400 They're experts, after all, right?
00:11:35.460 That's why they're entitled to decide for other people.
00:11:38.740 But yet they're prepared to support a guy who says he doesn't read.
00:11:44.540 It's like, he might be a know-nothing, but he's our know-nothing, right?
00:11:49.420 They support a guy who confuses decimals with decibels,
00:11:54.380 who says budgets balance themselves, even when they never do,
00:11:58.720 who says he doesn't think much about monetary policy,
00:12:02.880 admits he's not very good with numbers,
00:12:07.080 advises Canadians to pay for their tuition and their home renovations on their credit card.
00:12:16.800 And this is the bright light, the genius that they believe should be able to run the lives of mechanics
00:12:25.200 who are able to take apart an engine and put it back together with blindfolds on,
00:12:30.100 that the single mom who can balance her budget on a minimum wage salary needs advice on budgeting
00:12:38.320 from the guy who can't budget for himself.
00:12:41.740 That is the ultimate irony of the elitism,
00:12:45.140 is that these pseudo-intellectuals vest all their faith in this guy of all people.
00:12:52.520 The second thing that's so interesting,
00:12:55.000 And this came up, by the way, in his defense on another scandal,
00:12:59.140 when he had accepted a quarter-million-dollar free vacation
00:13:03.660 from someone who had met with him asking for,
00:13:07.560 and later received, a $15 million grant from his government.
00:13:12.120 The kind of cronyism that would get a small-town mayor put in jail.
00:13:17.040 But the defense the prime minister gave at the time was that in the meeting,
00:13:22.540 he didn't actually, it wasn't substantially important,
00:13:27.920 because he actually doesn't run the government.
00:13:30.540 He's a ceremonial figurehead.
00:13:33.220 And therefore, he didn't have any actual power over the government he heads
00:13:39.020 to give the individual what he was asking for in exchange for that famous free vacation.
00:13:46.040 Even though, in the prime minister's own open and accountability guide,
00:13:51.860 the machinery of government, and that's a quote,
00:13:54.820 is the exclusive responsibility of the prime minister.
00:13:58.380 Which brings me to the second reason why his
00:14:00.300 I-don't-read-my-briefing-notes defense is so interesting.
00:14:05.360 And it is this.
00:14:06.980 He wants all the power and none of the responsibility.
00:14:11.180 He literally wants to control the entire economy.
00:14:14.260 He wants to nationalize large industries with monstrous taxpayer-funded subsidies.
00:14:22.880 And yet he wants to print $600 billion without having any responsibility for the resulting inflation.
00:14:31.080 He wants to increase the cost of government without taking any of the blame
00:14:36.480 for the resulting interest payments that households must pay on their own debt after he drove up the rates.
00:14:43.860 He wants none of the responsibility for the fact that we have the slowest economic growth in the OECD over the next five years
00:14:51.500 and over the next 35 years after he promised all this spending was going to stimulate the contrary.
00:14:58.420 He wants to have total control over what you can see and say online to protect us all from these dangerous forces
00:15:06.540 that might influence our thinking if we are not protected by the angels in the government.
00:15:12.480 And yet, when there is actually a risk of manipulation by hostile and malicious actors,
00:15:21.620 like, say, a communist regime in Beijing, he can't even take the responsibility of reading his briefing notes.
00:15:29.920 This is the irony, the great irony of his leadership.
00:15:33.960 And one of the reasons why I think he's succeeded in doubling housing costs,
00:15:38.100 giving us the worst inflation in 40 years, sending 2 million people to the food banks,
00:15:43.360 8,000 people signing up for a Facebook group called the Dumpster Diving Network
00:15:49.420 because they now have to eat out of a garbage can after he drove food prices rising with his carbon tax.
00:15:56.520 He wants to control every aspect of your life.
00:16:00.300 And then when he ruins your life, he wants to take none of the responsibility for the ruin that he caused.
00:16:06.440 And the third reason why this testimony and this entire scandal is so consequential and indicative
00:16:18.880 is why the hell did a dictatorship, a communist dictatorship, on the other side of the world
00:16:26.340 consider it such a strategic imperative to keep this guy as prime minister?
00:16:32.360 What was their motive?
00:16:33.940 Why did they believe that they would be better off by having him as our prime minister
00:16:39.880 in at least two elections where they intervened to help him win?
00:16:44.280 Why?
00:16:45.200 Because he's good for Canada?
00:16:47.300 Or is it because he admires their basic Chinese communist dictatorship?
00:16:52.200 He admits that he admires Fidel Castro,
00:16:55.100 and his policy agenda would seem to point in that direction.
00:17:00.240 I thought that was actually a really good point.
00:17:02.460 The liberals always say they're better, smarter, professional-er.
00:17:07.420 They're not.
00:17:08.200 They've got a bit of an idiot as a leader.
00:17:10.440 The second point that Polly makes is that Trudeau's actually not even a liberal
00:17:15.780 in the real meaning, the true meaning, the good meaning of that word.
00:17:19.600 Look at this clip.
00:17:20.400 See, the thing is, it's not that Justin Trudeau is too liberal.
00:17:24.320 It's that he's not liberal at all.
00:17:26.620 He is deeply, deeply illiberal.
00:17:29.040 He uses the soft blue eyes and fluffy hair and fancy socks
00:17:41.880 and, more importantly, the historic brand of the Liberal Party built up
00:17:47.000 by such great leaders as Laurier and many more who followed him
00:17:51.960 as a cover for what is a radical departure from the Canadian way.
00:17:59.480 A radical departure that sees in every way that the people are to be made small
00:18:05.100 so that the government can be made big.
00:18:08.920 And we see the consequences of this.
00:18:12.680 You see, even if he were competent, it is not possible for any one person
00:18:18.540 to run 40 million other people.
00:18:22.320 It is simply not possible.
00:18:25.500 Humans are far too complicated.
00:18:27.240 Their interactions are far too numerous for one central authority,
00:18:31.160 no matter how wise and virtuous it claims to be,
00:18:35.200 to make all the decisions for them.
00:18:38.480 It has to leave them to make as many decisions as possible for themselves.
00:18:43.440 Worse yet, the only thing worse than having some all-knowing elite
00:18:49.020 try to control everybody's life
00:18:50.720 is to have someone doing that when he doesn't even read his briefing notes.
00:18:55.820 Just one last clip I want to show you.
00:18:58.600 Here's Polyev talking about rescinding censorship laws.
00:19:03.340 That kind of freedom is what Canadians have always come to expect.
00:19:08.080 It is what has always worked.
00:19:09.980 And so we will repeal the censorship laws, C-11.
00:19:13.280 We will require university campuses implement a respect
00:19:18.200 for Section 2B Charter Rights of Free Expression
00:19:21.960 as a condition of getting federal funding.
00:19:24.320 If you want to...
00:19:26.320 If you want...
00:19:30.820 If you don't like Jordan Peterson, fine.
00:19:32.700 Try debating him for once, because you can't shut him down.
00:19:36.000 You can't shut down people you disagree with.
00:19:38.460 You have to have open and honest debate,
00:19:40.800 which has always been the Canadian way.
00:19:43.400 Well, what do you think?
00:19:45.080 I think that this conference looks great.
00:19:47.700 It looks energetic.
00:19:48.920 It looks big.
00:19:49.940 It looks young.
00:19:50.720 It looks like it's on the march
00:19:52.540 compared to Justin Trudeau,
00:19:54.220 who looks, I don't know,
00:19:56.740 like he's got the cognitive power of Joe Biden,
00:19:59.720 like he's listless,
00:20:01.000 like he's playing old moves
00:20:03.760 that might have worked and been cool in 2015,
00:20:06.520 but don't really work in 2024.
00:20:09.200 You know, the other day,
00:20:10.440 he went to a grade school
00:20:13.220 where the kids were sort of prepped
00:20:15.520 by their pro-liberal teachers
00:20:17.760 and Trudeau was hiding around the corner
00:20:20.000 and he brought them free pizza.
00:20:23.480 Here, just take a look at this clip
00:20:24.880 that Trudeau put online the other day.
00:20:27.840 Okay, everyone,
00:20:29.000 can I have your attention, please?
00:20:31.580 Attention!
00:20:34.020 So, I know many of you are hungry,
00:20:37.380 and I have a very special friend,
00:20:39.120 the Generation Chosen,
00:20:40.460 who brought pizza today.
00:20:41.500 Yeah, I guess in 2015,
00:21:07.280 that would have been really cool and young,
00:21:09.040 but in 2024, it looks sort of pitiful.
00:21:12.780 Here's the prime minister
00:21:13.760 who anywhere he goes in public
00:21:15.800 is jeered and heckled.
00:21:17.560 The only place he can guarantee
00:21:19.160 that he has a warm reception
00:21:20.500 is grade school kids
00:21:22.280 who have been primed by liberal teachers
00:21:23.860 and he has to bribe them
00:21:24.880 with a slice of pizza.
00:21:26.600 And he still, of course,
00:21:27.640 uses his own camera crew
00:21:29.140 in case any of the kids
00:21:30.120 say anything unscripted.
00:21:32.580 Justin Trudeau,
00:21:33.880 I don't think that he's going to let go
00:21:36.040 of the reins,
00:21:37.340 and in a way, that's good
00:21:38.480 because he's going to drive his party
00:21:40.240 right into the history's dustbin.
00:21:43.040 Stay with us.
00:21:44.220 An interview with Robert Krejcik is next.
00:21:54.440 The province of Alberta
00:21:55.820 is the fourth largest province by population.
00:22:00.120 Ontario, Quebec, and British Columbia
00:22:01.720 are larger.
00:22:02.460 But I think Alberta is outsized
00:22:05.600 when it comes to political importance.
00:22:08.200 It has a very strong political ambition.
00:22:11.920 I think it is as important that way
00:22:14.160 as Ontario,
00:22:15.860 the industrial and political heartland
00:22:17.920 of the country,
00:22:18.520 and Quebec,
00:22:19.520 with its own particular ambitions.
00:22:21.960 Alberta is where things start,
00:22:24.240 believe it or not,
00:22:25.000 not just the Reform Party,
00:22:27.140 not just Ralph Klein
00:22:28.160 and those kind of ideas,
00:22:29.700 but in so many ways,
00:22:31.340 the NDP,
00:22:32.280 the CCF,
00:22:33.540 they were founded in the prairies,
00:22:35.500 often in Alberta too.
00:22:37.520 And so it's no surprise
00:22:38.800 that on the leading edge
00:22:40.760 of political movements,
00:22:42.240 Alberta is front and center.
00:22:44.160 Although the trucker convoy
00:22:45.760 was most famous
00:22:46.780 for what it did in Ottawa,
00:22:48.780 it emanated from the west.
00:22:50.740 And of course,
00:22:51.360 there was an echo convoy
00:22:53.360 down at the border
00:22:54.440 between Alberta and Montana
00:22:56.980 in the border village
00:22:58.180 called Kootz.
00:22:59.960 I was just in Alberta
00:23:01.060 the other day,
00:23:01.660 as you know,
00:23:02.260 at the carbon tax protest
00:23:05.120 west of the city of Calgary
00:23:07.620 that shows that fervid
00:23:09.820 political mentality
00:23:11.560 in that province.
00:23:13.140 Things are always cooking out there.
00:23:15.260 And so today,
00:23:15.980 we go down to Lethbridge
00:23:17.460 where the trial
00:23:18.560 of the so-called Kootz III
00:23:20.380 is underway.
00:23:22.360 And our reporter,
00:23:23.760 Robert Kraychuk,
00:23:25.000 is on the file.
00:23:25.900 He joins us live via Skype.
00:23:28.400 Robert, great to see you again.
00:23:29.640 Thanks very much for joining us.
00:23:32.040 Great to be with you.
00:23:33.000 You know,
00:23:33.540 I've been down there
00:23:34.380 at that same Lethbridge courthouse
00:23:36.400 a dozen times.
00:23:37.880 That's where so many
00:23:39.220 of these matters
00:23:39.940 are being tried
00:23:40.760 because it's the closest court
00:23:42.280 to that border village.
00:23:44.580 Can you give us an update
00:23:45.780 on the trial
00:23:46.620 of the Kootz III?
00:23:48.740 I was there personally
00:23:49.980 for the first day
00:23:50.820 when there was jury selection.
00:23:53.060 What's it been like
00:23:54.040 in the week or so since then?
00:23:56.760 Well,
00:23:57.280 I'll share with you
00:23:57.800 the most noteworthy
00:23:59.260 appearances that I've observed.
00:24:00.840 So,
00:24:01.520 the first is
00:24:02.360 the centrality
00:24:03.380 of Rebel News
00:24:04.760 to this trial.
00:24:05.860 And I don't just mean
00:24:06.640 the fact that
00:24:07.660 I'm the only one
00:24:08.860 in there day to day.
00:24:09.840 I've seen some other
00:24:10.740 media figures,
00:24:12.000 but they're not in there
00:24:12.940 with any sort of
00:24:13.580 meaningful consistency.
00:24:14.480 But the fact that
00:24:15.380 every single video
00:24:16.380 with maybe the exception
00:24:17.100 of one
00:24:17.620 that's been introduced
00:24:18.920 by either the defense teams
00:24:20.600 or the crowd
00:24:21.460 as either an evidence
00:24:22.860 piece
00:24:23.700 or an exhibit
00:24:24.360 has been a Rebel News
00:24:26.060 produced video.
00:24:27.680 Almost all of them
00:24:28.580 feature the Rebel News
00:24:29.760 watermark and logo.
00:24:30.940 So,
00:24:31.420 admittedly,
00:24:31.920 there's an aspect
00:24:32.400 of professional chauvinism
00:24:33.540 here because it's kind of
00:24:34.320 fun to see that
00:24:34.960 as a Rebel News guy myself.
00:24:36.980 But,
00:24:37.280 one adjacent point to this,
00:24:40.760 and I was just
00:24:41.320 contemplating this
00:24:42.260 this morning,
00:24:42.880 I realized how stunning
00:24:43.960 it was,
00:24:45.360 is that none of the
00:24:46.240 video evidence
00:24:46.900 introduced into the trial
00:24:48.280 or evidentiary exhibits
00:24:50.040 or just exhibits
00:24:50.720 on their own
00:24:51.200 that are still in dispute
00:24:52.040 have been provided
00:24:53.160 by the RCMP.
00:24:54.180 Now,
00:24:54.360 keep in mind
00:24:54.880 that the RCMP
00:24:55.800 had at least
00:24:57.280 four liaisons
00:24:58.500 deployed to the
00:24:59.760 Coutts
00:25:00.120 border blockade protest
00:25:01.860 across almost
00:25:04.000 its entirety.
00:25:04.720 And that was 2022.
00:25:06.660 This is not 100 years ago.
00:25:08.520 You would think
00:25:08.960 that body cams
00:25:09.940 and associated microphones
00:25:10.980 would be ubiquitous,
00:25:12.240 particularly for this thing
00:25:13.460 that was of such
00:25:14.280 high political importance
00:25:16.220 to the RCMP
00:25:17.500 and, of course,
00:25:17.980 the federal government.
00:25:19.140 So, again,
00:25:19.480 just keep that in mind.
00:25:20.320 I'm sitting there
00:25:20.920 in the courtroom
00:25:21.540 and every single video,
00:25:23.180 essentially,
00:25:23.760 that I'm seeing demonstrated
00:25:24.620 has got that Rebel News
00:25:25.700 watermark there.
00:25:27.200 And, again,
00:25:27.540 nothing being provided
00:25:28.660 by the RCMP,
00:25:29.900 which was there spending
00:25:30.940 tons of money
00:25:32.020 to investigate
00:25:32.960 or to observe
00:25:33.700 or to liaise.
00:25:34.720 However you want
00:25:35.140 to look at it.
00:25:36.460 That is very interesting
00:25:37.760 and I take a few
00:25:38.680 lessons from that.
00:25:40.780 One thing that's
00:25:41.640 on my mind
00:25:42.220 is
00:25:43.160 if it weren't
00:25:45.000 for Rebel News,
00:25:45.740 we wouldn't know
00:25:46.380 what really happened.
00:25:47.980 I think it was
00:25:49.160 similar but not
00:25:50.080 quite as dramatic
00:25:50.900 in Ottawa
00:25:51.640 because there were
00:25:52.440 some other
00:25:53.660 citizen journalists
00:25:54.660 on the ground there.
00:25:55.780 But for most of the time
00:25:57.000 in Coutts,
00:25:57.520 it was just
00:25:58.500 Rebel News.
00:25:59.460 There was a guy
00:26:00.360 from Western Standard
00:26:01.340 who was there for a bit,
00:26:02.400 but we were there
00:26:03.640 with the cameras
00:26:04.400 rolling full tilt
00:26:05.780 for more than a week.
00:26:07.360 So if Rebel News
00:26:09.360 had not been there,
00:26:10.580 the official narrative
00:26:11.860 would have been
00:26:12.440 the Trudeau narrative.
00:26:14.120 And so I'm glad
00:26:15.080 we were there.
00:26:16.080 The second thing
00:26:16.920 I take from your comments,
00:26:18.300 Robert,
00:26:18.940 is I'm skeptical
00:26:19.920 because the RCMP,
00:26:22.500 which was the main
00:26:23.400 police force
00:26:24.080 sent out to counter
00:26:25.220 the Coutts protesters,
00:26:26.320 is a high-tech force.
00:26:28.880 They have,
00:26:29.620 as you mentioned,
00:26:30.720 cameras.
00:26:31.480 They have hidden cameras.
00:26:33.100 They have technology
00:26:34.500 that ordinary people
00:26:35.540 don't have access to.
00:26:36.620 They have wiretaps
00:26:38.420 if they want them.
00:26:39.340 They have devices
00:26:40.140 that can scan
00:26:41.400 and hack
00:26:42.360 cell phone conversations.
00:26:44.400 They have their own drones.
00:26:46.260 And as we've learned
00:26:47.100 from Ottawa,
00:26:48.120 they could liaise
00:26:49.240 with the Canadian military
00:26:50.400 and even get military drones,
00:26:52.260 which I'm not sure
00:26:52.940 is even legally appropriate.
00:26:54.520 My point is,
00:26:55.640 they have more technology
00:26:58.380 in the mighty RCMP
00:26:59.920 than Little Rebel News
00:27:01.640 had in our cell phone cameras.
00:27:03.560 So I am skeptical, Robert,
00:27:06.440 that they have actually
00:27:07.720 furnished all of their evidence.
00:27:09.840 And it strikes me
00:27:11.540 as implausible
00:27:12.580 that they would have
00:27:13.620 this massive investigation
00:27:15.060 of the Cooch protest
00:27:16.500 and not record anything,
00:27:18.440 that it would all
00:27:18.860 just be handwritten notes.
00:27:20.360 I got to tell you,
00:27:21.840 I just simply don't believe it.
00:27:24.520 You're reminding me
00:27:27.120 of so many things.
00:27:27.960 Yeah, it's absurd.
00:27:28.620 So in the context
00:27:29.300 of the trial,
00:27:30.020 keep in mind that
00:27:30.780 these officers,
00:27:32.140 two liaison officers
00:27:33.380 that were there
00:27:34.960 in alternating shifts
00:27:36.480 at the protests
00:27:37.440 have to rely
00:27:38.620 on their memories
00:27:39.380 and notes
00:27:40.100 that they've written
00:27:40.860 or dictated.
00:27:41.860 And you cannot capture
00:27:42.920 all that.
00:27:43.880 It's a very fluid,
00:27:45.480 complicated,
00:27:46.380 long-form event
00:27:47.860 with all kinds
00:27:48.720 of happenings
00:27:49.300 and occurrences
00:27:49.880 and goings-on.
00:27:51.340 So to not use
00:27:52.680 inexpensive,
00:27:53.780 conventional,
00:27:54.540 modern technology
00:27:55.380 to facilitate
00:27:56.360 this investigation
00:27:57.400 on the one part
00:27:58.340 or on the other hand
00:27:59.160 and sort of,
00:28:00.400 let's say,
00:28:00.760 crowd control
00:28:01.540 their stated claims
00:28:02.660 that they were there
00:28:03.140 to maintain peaceful assembly
00:28:04.320 cannot be taken seriously.
00:28:06.360 And to your point
00:28:06.980 about the high levels
00:28:08.460 of technology
00:28:09.200 that the RCMP
00:28:10.240 and the federal government
00:28:10.980 more broadly have,
00:28:12.160 remember,
00:28:12.560 I was sent
00:28:13.100 to the first week
00:28:14.020 to report on this
00:28:15.320 report interference.
00:28:16.740 Sorry,
00:28:17.240 I hope the witness
00:28:17.740 busting your dream jobs.
00:28:19.220 And the Foreign
00:28:19.880 Interference Commission
00:28:20.780 had these senior
00:28:23.400 so-called
00:28:24.520 intelligence agency
00:28:26.180 officials,
00:28:27.620 head of CSIS
00:28:29.360 and some others,
00:28:30.240 some former RCMP guy,
00:28:31.800 speaking about
00:28:32.460 how they had
00:28:33.600 these capabilities
00:28:34.280 that you remarked on,
00:28:35.200 the ability to do
00:28:35.840 as you put in wiretaps
00:28:36.800 or interception
00:28:37.720 of digital communications,
00:28:39.160 all sorts of
00:28:39.760 really high-tech stuff.
00:28:40.740 And again,
00:28:41.100 the RCMP doesn't have
00:28:42.200 this sort of technology.
00:28:44.060 I also,
00:28:44.360 I'm with you,
00:28:44.740 I'm totally skeptical
00:28:45.420 that the information
00:28:46.280 or the evidence
00:28:47.420 as they put it
00:28:48.080 was furnished fully
00:28:49.320 that there's a real
00:28:49.960 transparent disclosure
00:28:51.100 here of what
00:28:51.660 they obtained.
00:28:53.000 Okay,
00:28:53.500 so we talked about
00:28:54.460 the nature
00:28:56.040 of the evidence
00:28:57.120 that it's mainly
00:28:57.940 in the form
00:28:58.480 of Rebel News videos.
00:28:59.860 I find that interesting
00:29:00.700 and like you,
00:29:01.460 I take some professional
00:29:02.580 pride from it.
00:29:04.280 I guess both sides
00:29:06.160 are trying to make
00:29:06.840 their case
00:29:07.420 using those same videos.
00:29:09.620 We were just
00:29:10.200 rolling cameras.
00:29:12.780 Tell me
00:29:13.460 how the trial
00:29:15.060 has progressed.
00:29:15.560 I was there
00:29:16.140 when jury selection
00:29:17.000 was made
00:29:17.580 and I thought
00:29:18.240 it was a very
00:29:18.760 interesting process
00:29:19.700 and, you know,
00:29:20.700 from what I recall
00:29:22.000 is there's a couple
00:29:22.740 of people
00:29:23.060 who are so young-looking
00:29:24.240 they might even
00:29:25.240 be in their late teens
00:29:26.560 and it goes all the way
00:29:27.960 up to people
00:29:28.480 who are probably
00:29:29.080 in their late 60s
00:29:30.200 or maybe even early 70s.
00:29:31.620 It is a diversity
00:29:32.860 by age
00:29:34.120 and by background
00:29:35.260 but it really does
00:29:36.400 feel like
00:29:37.020 Southern Alberta
00:29:38.180 and I'm glad
00:29:39.480 that it was a jury pool
00:29:40.680 in Lethbridge
00:29:41.520 because I know
00:29:42.200 that the prosecutor
00:29:43.240 had talked about
00:29:44.120 taking this
00:29:44.660 to a different city
00:29:45.540 like Calgary
00:29:46.820 which would have
00:29:47.620 given a totally
00:29:48.400 different jury pool.
00:29:52.340 It would have
00:29:52.740 not reflected
00:29:53.900 the community
00:29:55.200 in Southern Alberta
00:29:56.280 so I felt good
00:29:57.120 about that.
00:29:58.360 How has
00:29:59.080 the jury
00:29:59.860 seemed attentive
00:30:00.860 so far?
00:30:02.700 Have the lawyers
00:30:03.840 been communicating
00:30:05.240 in a way
00:30:05.820 that a lay person
00:30:06.920 can understand?
00:30:08.100 That's obviously
00:30:09.280 a challenge
00:30:10.420 because lawyers
00:30:11.000 use jargon,
00:30:12.560 they use technical terms,
00:30:13.900 occasionally they
00:30:14.620 even use
00:30:15.080 a Latin word.
00:30:16.700 Are the lawyers
00:30:17.440 conducting themselves
00:30:19.160 in a manner
00:30:19.800 appropriate
00:30:20.440 for a lay jury?
00:30:23.580 Okay,
00:30:23.900 so on the first part,
00:30:24.860 the first question
00:30:25.420 you asked about
00:30:26.000 the reactions
00:30:26.660 to the jury,
00:30:27.100 you've got to forgive me.
00:30:27.860 I'm sort of all
00:30:28.420 consumed about taking notes
00:30:29.560 and I'm not paying
00:30:30.300 particular attention
00:30:31.140 to whatever body language
00:30:32.560 or expressions
00:30:33.180 that they may be
00:30:34.620 expressing
00:30:35.280 so I can't comment
00:30:36.260 on that too much.
00:30:37.020 What I can say,
00:30:38.120 however,
00:30:38.640 in terms of
00:30:39.940 the second question,
00:30:41.180 yes,
00:30:41.780 the information
00:30:42.400 being presented,
00:30:43.260 the comments,
00:30:44.080 language,
00:30:44.620 remarks from
00:30:45.380 all lawyers,
00:30:46.740 both the Crown prosecutors
00:30:48.080 and the defense
00:30:48.940 counsels,
00:30:49.700 is very understandable.
00:30:51.240 It's very lay person
00:30:52.620 friendly.
00:30:53.080 There's nothing
00:30:53.380 really complicated there.
00:30:54.620 Any sort of legal jargon
00:30:55.800 is restricted
00:30:56.420 to these voir dires
00:30:57.320 where the parties
00:30:58.960 involved,
00:30:59.400 the lawyers and the judge,
00:31:00.300 understand that they've
00:31:01.120 got these legal pedigrees
00:31:02.200 that allow them
00:31:02.720 to understand this.
00:31:03.940 So yeah,
00:31:04.220 very, very accessible
00:31:05.000 information.
00:31:06.060 As far as how
00:31:06.960 the trial is going,
00:31:07.720 this is a sort of question
00:31:08.480 I think you were getting
00:31:09.360 towards.
00:31:11.560 The main bone of contention
00:31:14.000 or one of the primary
00:31:14.860 themes of the ongoing
00:31:16.140 testimony from the witnesses
00:31:17.800 that have been invited thus far
00:31:19.060 and I'll indicate
00:31:19.580 who they are to you.
00:31:21.080 Jim Willett
00:31:21.860 is the former mayor
00:31:22.740 of Cootes
00:31:23.220 and he was the mayor
00:31:23.860 of the town of the protest.
00:31:24.800 He was the first witness
00:31:25.700 and the second two witnesses
00:31:27.980 are two RCMP officers
00:31:30.460 that operated as liaisons,
00:31:32.320 like I was saying earlier,
00:31:33.920 at the protest
00:31:34.640 as two liaises
00:31:35.300 between the RCMP
00:31:36.140 and the protesters.
00:31:37.320 And the fourth one
00:31:38.240 who's in there right now
00:31:39.780 is a guy
00:31:41.220 who's sort of a higher level.
00:31:42.220 I'll say superintendent
00:31:42.900 I think is official title,
00:31:44.480 RCMP guy
00:31:45.040 who is a bit more distant,
00:31:46.040 not as much on the ground.
00:31:47.660 And the theme,
00:31:48.960 one of the central claims
00:31:50.860 of the prosecution
00:31:51.500 is that the three defendants
00:31:54.240 constituted the leadership
00:31:56.180 of the protest
00:31:57.540 and as such
00:31:59.980 had a degree
00:32:00.520 of influence
00:32:01.140 and control
00:32:01.980 and direction
00:32:02.660 over the protesters.
00:32:04.320 So a lot of the questions
00:32:05.380 that you're hearing
00:32:06.920 from either
00:32:07.820 the crown prosecutors
00:32:08.920 or the defense attorneys
00:32:10.500 to the witnesses,
00:32:11.460 and remember,
00:32:11.860 all the witnesses thus far
00:32:12.920 have been crown witnesses,
00:32:14.320 have been towards eliciting
00:32:15.680 whether or not
00:32:16.660 the defendants
00:32:17.740 had a degree of control.
00:32:19.340 And this is the most important part.
00:32:20.900 I'll give you
00:32:21.240 sort of the punchline.
00:32:22.620 There's been a lot of testimony
00:32:23.740 from all the witnesses
00:32:24.920 to the decentralized nature
00:32:27.520 of the protest,
00:32:28.280 which in my view
00:32:29.420 is at odds
00:32:30.360 with the central claim
00:32:31.860 from the prosecution
00:32:32.500 that these three men
00:32:34.160 had control
00:32:35.280 and direction
00:32:35.920 and influence
00:32:36.600 over the protesters.
00:32:37.620 I'll give you specifics.
00:32:38.840 The officers testified
00:32:39.880 to several factions
00:32:41.360 composing the protest
00:32:42.520 and that these different factions
00:32:44.400 within the protest
00:32:45.480 had strong differences
00:32:47.160 of opinion
00:32:47.700 over issues
00:32:49.000 of how to proceed
00:32:50.280 with the protest,
00:32:51.120 how to conduct themselves,
00:32:52.560 how to negotiate
00:32:53.520 with the RCMP
00:32:54.320 if at all,
00:32:55.160 how to conclude
00:32:56.160 the protest
00:32:56.760 if at all.
00:32:57.740 And they also testified
00:32:58.800 to moments
00:33:00.400 of difficulty
00:33:01.340 in, let's say,
00:33:02.580 managing,
00:33:03.100 or I'll use the word,
00:33:04.020 leading the protest.
00:33:05.240 Even Jim Willett,
00:33:06.140 this former mayor,
00:33:07.160 he used this phrase,
00:33:07.960 I think you were there for it.
00:33:09.220 He said that leading the protest
00:33:10.920 was like, quote,
00:33:11.860 herding cats,
00:33:13.280 indicating that, again,
00:33:14.200 it was hard to have
00:33:15.000 this degree of command
00:33:16.200 and control
00:33:16.720 that the prosecution
00:33:17.540 is alleging existed
00:33:18.620 on the part
00:33:19.500 of the defendants.
00:33:22.040 That's very interesting.
00:33:23.300 So it's been
00:33:24.220 a number of days
00:33:25.760 and like you say,
00:33:26.460 it's the Crown's witnesses.
00:33:28.240 So these are the witnesses
00:33:29.160 that the prosecutors
00:33:30.800 are bringing,
00:33:31.640 thinking that they
00:33:32.280 will elicit facts
00:33:33.560 that will condemn
00:33:34.360 the accused.
00:33:35.580 How are the accused
00:33:36.740 lawyers doing
00:33:37.920 in cross-examination?
00:33:39.420 I know two of them
00:33:40.920 quite well,
00:33:42.000 the lawyers,
00:33:42.660 I mean.
00:33:43.400 The other two,
00:33:44.360 I only know
00:33:45.060 from observing them
00:33:45.980 briefly in court
00:33:47.520 there in Lethbridge.
00:33:48.720 Are they aggressive?
00:33:50.380 Are they,
00:33:51.180 are there gotcha moments?
00:33:52.700 How would you describe
00:33:53.620 the defense lawyers?
00:33:55.080 By the way,
00:33:55.880 the Democracy Fund
00:33:57.440 is crowdfunding
00:33:58.500 all of the defense lawyers.
00:34:00.360 There's four lawyers
00:34:01.240 sitting in there.
00:34:02.320 All four of them
00:34:03.140 are being paid
00:34:03.780 by crowdfunding.
00:34:05.100 And by the way,
00:34:05.580 I want to just say
00:34:06.140 to our viewers,
00:34:06.920 if you want to chip
00:34:07.920 into those lawyers,
00:34:08.860 go to coots3.com
00:34:12.040 and your donation
00:34:12.840 will get a charitable
00:34:13.500 tax receipt.
00:34:14.240 I just wanted to throw
00:34:15.020 that plug in there
00:34:15.920 because you see
00:34:17.420 four lawyers.
00:34:18.660 I, in my mind,
00:34:20.060 say, oh,
00:34:20.540 four lawyers
00:34:21.100 billing every hour,
00:34:23.140 but this is an important
00:34:24.340 fight to win.
00:34:25.300 Sorry, let me put
00:34:26.000 that tangent aside.
00:34:27.080 How are the defense
00:34:28.180 lawyers doing?
00:34:30.040 Do they,
00:34:31.240 what's their approach
00:34:32.220 to the crown witnesses?
00:34:33.540 Are they aggressive?
00:34:35.520 Are they argumentative?
00:34:36.660 Are they sneaky?
00:34:39.180 How, how does it feel?
00:34:40.560 I just wish I could see it
00:34:41.800 with my own eyes.
00:34:43.540 Well, first,
00:34:44.500 I just want to continue
00:34:45.260 with your tangent.
00:34:46.500 This is money well spent.
00:34:48.380 And in my estimation,
00:34:49.640 I'm a lay person.
00:34:50.520 What I see in these lawyers
00:34:52.640 is extreme competence.
00:34:55.240 As far as the demeanor,
00:34:56.600 your actual question,
00:34:57.480 how are they conducting themselves?
00:34:58.700 They are very congenial,
00:35:00.700 very professional.
00:35:01.700 They're professional.
00:35:02.520 They're not aggressive.
00:35:03.860 They're very articulate.
00:35:04.860 They're very specific.
00:35:05.840 They're very deliberate
00:35:06.620 and thoughtful.
00:35:07.960 And to what I was saying earlier,
00:35:09.360 I'll just give some examples.
00:35:10.460 It was the questioning
00:35:11.400 of these lawyers
00:35:12.160 that elicited remarks,
00:35:15.240 testimony from these witnesses.
00:35:17.020 Remember,
00:35:17.260 I was mentioning
00:35:17.660 two RCMP officers
00:35:18.880 who were liaisons
00:35:19.680 and former Kutz Mayor Jim Willett.
00:35:22.340 They got them
00:35:23.100 to acknowledge in testimony
00:35:24.660 that, again,
00:35:25.720 there was a decentralized flavor,
00:35:28.300 character, nature
00:35:29.460 to the protest,
00:35:30.380 which, again,
00:35:30.860 is a central contradiction
00:35:32.120 to this claim
00:35:33.220 from the prosecution
00:35:33.880 that there was this
00:35:34.960 degree of command and control.
00:35:36.740 So you wouldn't be able
00:35:37.900 to elicit that testimony
00:35:39.360 if not for extreme
00:35:41.320 competence.
00:35:42.360 But, yeah,
00:35:42.620 just to the basic question
00:35:43.780 of the flavor,
00:35:44.680 again,
00:35:44.980 very congenial,
00:35:45.700 professional.
00:35:46.200 I can't.
00:35:46.700 Very diplomatic.
00:35:48.020 These guys are great.
00:35:49.040 I have nothing
00:35:49.700 but amazing words
00:35:50.940 and praise to share
00:35:51.720 for them
00:35:52.120 based on my observations
00:35:53.160 with them.
00:35:53.480 And just for more
00:35:54.000 disclosure,
00:35:55.000 I don't think this is
00:35:55.420 a violation of privacy,
00:35:56.700 but I've spoken to them
00:35:58.100 outside the courtroom
00:35:58.740 and they're just really,
00:35:59.720 really well put together guys.
00:36:01.380 I'm glad to hear it.
00:36:02.960 I've been following
00:36:03.880 your live tweeting
00:36:05.140 from court,
00:36:05.960 and I would recommend
00:36:06.720 our viewers to do that
00:36:08.000 because you're sort of
00:36:10.100 giving updates
00:36:11.580 every few minutes.
00:36:13.540 One of the things
00:36:14.260 I learned from your
00:36:15.060 live tweeting
00:36:15.660 is that at least
00:36:17.800 one of the police
00:36:18.440 witnesses acknowledged
00:36:19.560 that they did not
00:36:22.340 see the accused
00:36:24.340 men block the highway,
00:36:26.620 but rather
00:36:28.000 they saw the accused
00:36:29.880 men help
00:36:30.940 unblock the highway.
00:36:32.920 I thought that was
00:36:33.820 such a powerful fact.
00:36:37.220 Yeah, so that's
00:36:37.700 more evidence
00:36:38.320 of what I was saying
00:36:38.980 earlier regarding
00:36:40.080 the extreme competence
00:36:41.280 of these lawyers
00:36:42.880 and how this is
00:36:43.580 money well spent
00:36:44.460 for those that
00:36:45.700 were kind enough
00:36:46.400 to donate
00:36:46.880 to the defense fund.
00:36:49.340 So,
00:36:50.460 the two officers,
00:36:52.820 the two liaisons,
00:36:54.300 their names are
00:36:54.980 Mark Wilgosh
00:36:55.920 and Greg Tolok,
00:36:57.800 if anybody cares
00:36:58.620 about those names,
00:36:59.900 testified that
00:37:00.900 when it came to
00:37:02.400 trying to
00:37:03.660 coordinate the protest
00:37:06.040 in a way that would
00:37:06.840 serve the RCMP's
00:37:07.860 interests,
00:37:08.380 specifically they
00:37:08.980 mentioned opening
00:37:09.660 of lanes during
00:37:10.660 intermittent periods
00:37:11.660 of blockade,
00:37:12.800 in other words,
00:37:13.380 to allow for traffic
00:37:14.280 to flow in both
00:37:14.900 directions at this
00:37:16.300 highway,
00:37:16.980 Alberta Highway 4
00:37:18.020 that sort of heads
00:37:18.700 south towards
00:37:19.540 Coutts from
00:37:19.980 Northern Alberta,
00:37:21.300 that Marco
00:37:22.320 Van Hoogenbos
00:37:23.280 and George Jansen,
00:37:24.400 two of the three
00:37:24.960 defendants,
00:37:25.840 were very helpful
00:37:26.580 in doing that.
00:37:27.520 Conversely,
00:37:28.480 when one of the
00:37:29.920 RCMP officers
00:37:31.020 was asked,
00:37:31.860 did you see
00:37:32.760 the defendants
00:37:33.800 coordinate a
00:37:35.080 blockade or
00:37:35.800 coordinate a
00:37:36.440 blockage?
00:37:36.880 He said,
00:37:37.180 no, I did not
00:37:37.720 see that.
00:37:38.540 So, the bottom
00:37:39.200 line here is
00:37:39.920 that the two
00:37:41.120 officers have
00:37:41.820 testified repeatedly
00:37:43.000 in several
00:37:43.620 dimensions to
00:37:44.660 the utility that
00:37:45.960 they attributed
00:37:46.700 to two of the
00:37:47.900 defendants,
00:37:48.440 George Jansen
00:37:49.100 and Michael
00:37:49.440 Hoogenbos,
00:37:50.120 in terms of
00:37:50.760 their desire to
00:37:51.880 liaise with
00:37:52.520 the protests,
00:37:53.280 not conceding
00:37:54.080 leadership,
00:37:54.560 by the way,
00:37:55.220 but to help
00:37:55.900 assist, get the
00:37:57.280 protesters to do
00:37:58.280 certain things
00:37:59.020 that the RCMP
00:37:59.880 wanted at
00:38:00.780 certain times.
00:38:01.780 Further,
00:38:02.040 just as far as
00:38:02.520 to continue with
00:38:03.540 your question
00:38:03.960 about flavor
00:38:04.860 and character
00:38:05.320 you were asking
00:38:05.740 about the
00:38:06.000 lawyers,
00:38:06.960 one of the
00:38:07.620 RCMP officer
00:38:10.260 liaisons said
00:38:11.280 that George
00:38:11.860 Jansen was
00:38:12.460 particularly
00:38:13.000 congenial.
00:38:13.920 He used the
00:38:14.260 word professional,
00:38:15.580 he used the
00:38:15.940 word compassionate,
00:38:17.120 and he used the
00:38:17.620 word polite in
00:38:18.700 describing his
00:38:19.260 exchanges with
00:38:19.820 them.
00:38:19.960 And the reason
00:38:20.240 I mention that
00:38:21.000 is because I
00:38:21.820 think the
00:38:22.340 demeanor, the
00:38:23.780 composure of the
00:38:24.680 defendants, as
00:38:25.380 was captured by
00:38:26.160 the Rebel News
00:38:26.680 video, by the
00:38:27.300 way, all of
00:38:27.940 it, is, in
00:38:29.460 my view, again,
00:38:30.380 I'm offering
00:38:30.740 this sort of
00:38:31.360 amateur legal
00:38:32.020 analysis, sort
00:38:33.400 of exculpatory
00:38:34.440 at a minimum
00:38:35.020 because they
00:38:35.520 were always
00:38:36.100 advising any
00:38:38.120 protesters that
00:38:38.740 they may be
00:38:39.140 speaking to, to
00:38:40.600 maintain peaceable
00:38:41.660 assembly, maintain
00:38:43.060 peaceful
00:38:43.520 demonstration, and
00:38:44.340 so forth.
00:38:44.820 So insofar as
00:38:45.740 they had any
00:38:46.300 influence whatsoever,
00:38:47.720 insofar as they
00:38:48.240 could communicate
00:38:48.800 with their fellow
00:38:49.280 protesters, they
00:38:50.420 were constantly
00:38:51.000 advising peaceful
00:38:52.340 demonstration.
00:38:53.700 You know, that's
00:38:54.020 very interesting, and
00:38:54.900 I think it may be
00:38:55.580 legally important.
00:38:56.380 It reminds me of
00:38:58.020 one of the
00:38:58.420 things that has
00:38:59.380 come through in
00:39:00.520 the Ottawa trial
00:39:01.700 of Tamara
00:39:02.380 Leach, where it
00:39:04.600 has come out
00:39:05.440 through the
00:39:05.940 trial that, far
00:39:08.880 from being at
00:39:10.240 odds with the
00:39:10.780 RCMP, Tamara
00:39:12.260 Leach and the
00:39:13.440 other leaders of
00:39:15.040 the Ottawa
00:39:15.520 convoy had a
00:39:17.320 regular back and
00:39:18.160 forth to manage
00:39:19.040 things, to clear
00:39:20.380 this lane, to move
00:39:21.460 the trucks out of
00:39:22.140 this residential
00:39:22.820 area to that
00:39:23.660 non-residential
00:39:25.220 area, and not
00:39:27.060 only is that
00:39:27.540 interesting that
00:39:28.360 the protests were
00:39:29.320 cooperative, but it
00:39:30.760 suggests that there
00:39:31.760 was a, I think a
00:39:33.280 lawyer might use the
00:39:34.060 word estoppel, namely
00:39:36.160 that the police
00:39:36.880 condoned what was
00:39:37.920 going on.
00:39:38.420 The police, you
00:39:40.000 might even say,
00:39:40.600 instructed the
00:39:42.340 protest to move
00:39:43.160 from here to
00:39:43.820 there, instructed a
00:39:45.100 truck to be here
00:39:45.900 rather than there.
00:39:47.340 So how could
00:39:48.240 someone who was
00:39:48.920 cooperating with the
00:39:50.080 police, who was
00:39:51.320 working with the
00:39:52.060 police to facilitate
00:39:54.420 certain lanes, open
00:39:56.880 or closed, if
00:39:57.980 you're working with
00:39:58.680 the police, cooperating
00:40:01.920 with the police,
00:40:02.820 complying with the
00:40:03.680 police, even you
00:40:04.800 might say obeying
00:40:05.800 the police, how can
00:40:07.460 that then be called
00:40:08.260 mischief?
00:40:09.520 And I think that
00:40:10.580 that cooperative
00:40:12.560 approach, and I
00:40:14.020 think it was very
00:40:14.540 strong in Ottawa.
00:40:15.620 I know that because
00:40:16.860 they had some very
00:40:17.860 clear objectives, get
00:40:19.560 the trucks out of
00:40:20.240 the residential
00:40:20.740 areas, keep a lane
00:40:22.020 free for ambulances,
00:40:23.420 they were very, like
00:40:25.220 a daily basis and
00:40:26.980 very formal basis
00:40:28.220 negotiating with the
00:40:29.560 city and the
00:40:29.960 police.
00:40:30.700 Sounds like there's
00:40:31.640 a bit of that here
00:40:32.600 in the Coutts trial.
00:40:34.720 Yeah, so I think
00:40:35.600 from my understanding
00:40:37.220 of the Coutts trial,
00:40:37.980 now I was not there,
00:40:38.620 I was in Ottawa
00:40:39.160 basically every day, I
00:40:40.140 can remark on that
00:40:40.900 with a bit more
00:40:41.580 confidence based on
00:40:42.320 my own experience,
00:40:43.480 but the Coutts
00:40:44.320 protest was, this is
00:40:46.200 going to sound funny
00:40:46.720 because it was so
00:40:47.240 much smaller, was
00:40:48.040 seemingly more
00:40:48.640 decentralized, was
00:40:50.100 more sort of ad hoc,
00:40:52.620 informal, more chaotic
00:40:54.460 perhaps, and Ottawa
00:40:56.000 eclipsing Coutts in
00:40:57.380 terms of size and
00:40:58.140 volume was actually
00:40:59.040 more controlled in a
00:41:00.040 way.
00:41:00.580 Anyway, to the point
00:41:01.280 of, okay, this is so
00:41:01.980 funny you mention this,
00:41:02.960 Chris Barber is actually
00:41:03.760 here today, and I'm
00:41:05.020 actually going to
00:41:05.380 interview him at the
00:41:06.000 end of proceedings, and
00:41:07.100 I was just thinking
00:41:07.740 about what you were
00:41:08.400 saying, this constant
00:41:10.660 refrain from Chris
00:41:11.700 Barber in these videos
00:41:12.760 that he produced, that
00:41:13.700 he recorded and
00:41:14.460 published to so-called
00:41:15.220 social media to advise
00:41:16.760 supporters and
00:41:17.500 demonstrators to
00:41:18.180 maintain peaceable
00:41:18.960 assembly, to
00:41:19.520 compile police
00:41:20.080 officers, and
00:41:21.040 remember that
00:41:21.720 Tamara Leach and
00:41:22.420 Chris Barber are
00:41:23.160 being charged with
00:41:24.020 counseling others to
00:41:25.320 mischief.
00:41:26.160 In other words, that
00:41:26.760 they're being accused
00:41:28.080 of advising others to
00:41:29.180 commit mischief, but
00:41:30.160 what I saw in all the
00:41:31.420 videos was Chris
00:41:32.600 Barber counseling
00:41:33.660 others to comply and
00:41:35.180 maintain legal
00:41:35.800 assembly.
00:41:36.980 So, like, the very
00:41:38.260 evidence being put
00:41:39.480 forward by the
00:41:40.340 Crown is at odds
00:41:42.380 with their central
00:41:43.040 claim that these two
00:41:44.180 defendants were
00:41:45.500 advising others to
00:41:46.300 break the law.
00:41:46.820 And the same thing
00:41:47.520 is true here, by
00:41:48.180 the way, in that
00:41:48.600 same regard.
00:41:49.580 Isn't that
00:41:49.980 interesting?
00:41:50.760 Well, I tell you, I
00:41:51.600 wish I was there.
00:41:52.340 There's so many
00:41:52.840 stories going on
00:41:53.620 across the country.
00:41:55.320 And thanks, by the
00:41:56.280 way, for going out to
00:41:57.620 that carbon tax
00:41:58.760 protest on highway,
00:42:00.820 on the highway, the
00:42:02.100 Trans-Canada highway
00:42:02.800 on the way to Banff.
00:42:03.840 I popped by there the
00:42:05.080 other day just to
00:42:05.880 check it out.
00:42:06.700 And it has that same
00:42:08.160 spirit of the Freedom
00:42:09.920 Convoy.
00:42:10.520 So, I know you're an
00:42:11.720 Ottawa boy.
00:42:12.600 To have you in,
00:42:13.360 Alberta, I think that's
00:42:14.160 good for your soul.
00:42:15.000 And I think you're
00:42:16.500 sort of marinating in
00:42:17.580 the freedom out there.
00:42:19.580 And I'm glad you're
00:42:21.240 covering that.
00:42:21.760 Thank you for that.
00:42:23.000 There are two ways
00:42:23.960 people can help.
00:42:24.800 We've already mentioned
00:42:25.600 the way to chip into
00:42:26.640 the legal defense.
00:42:27.880 That's at
00:42:28.520 coots3.com.
00:42:30.880 But as I mentioned,
00:42:32.000 Robert's not actually
00:42:32.880 from Lethbridge.
00:42:33.900 So, we put him up in
00:42:35.440 an Airbnb and we rented
00:42:37.340 a car and we're covering
00:42:38.380 his meals and stuff.
00:42:39.520 While he's out there,
00:42:40.300 he's staying economy
00:42:41.120 class.
00:42:41.660 But still, it does
00:42:42.720 add up because he's
00:42:43.440 there for days and
00:42:44.180 days and days.
00:42:45.020 To chip in for his
00:42:46.320 modest costs, feel free
00:42:48.480 to go to
00:42:48.900 truckertrial.ca.
00:42:52.200 Robert, thanks very
00:42:53.120 much for reporting
00:42:53.980 from there.
00:42:54.360 And we look forward to
00:42:55.180 your updates on
00:42:56.520 Twitter and in your
00:42:57.380 videos.
00:42:58.820 My pleasure.
00:42:59.320 I love being with you.
00:43:00.360 Right on.
00:43:01.140 Thanks for your time.
00:43:01.900 There you have it.
00:43:02.420 Robert Krejcik, live
00:43:04.100 from outside the
00:43:05.120 courthouse in Lethbridge.
00:43:06.760 Stay with us.
00:43:07.420 More ahead.
00:43:07.840 Hey, welcome back.
00:43:17.360 Your letters to me,
00:43:18.340 Toaster3822.
00:43:20.220 I'm guessing that's
00:43:21.060 not a real name.
00:43:21.700 It says, Ezra, I hope
00:43:23.220 you are paying David
00:43:24.080 dearly for standing up
00:43:25.180 for all of our rights.
00:43:27.340 I take David's situation
00:43:29.240 incredibly seriously.
00:43:32.460 Whenever he gets
00:43:33.700 arrested, which I hate,
00:43:35.140 I immediately get in my
00:43:37.660 car and go downtown.
00:43:39.500 I immediately call the
00:43:40.780 lawyer, make sure that
00:43:42.240 we call David's wife.
00:43:44.480 We immediately tell the
00:43:46.240 world what is happening.
00:43:48.740 We're going to defend him
00:43:50.220 against everything, of
00:43:51.580 course, these bogus
00:43:52.680 criminal charges.
00:43:53.880 We're also going to go
00:43:55.000 on the offensive and sue
00:43:56.780 the police forces for
00:43:57.880 violating his rights.
00:43:58.880 We're going to, we've
00:44:01.920 got some plans, I don't
00:44:02.880 want to disclose them to
00:44:03.760 you now, about how we're
00:44:05.500 going to protect him even
00:44:06.600 more.
00:44:08.700 And, yes, I mean, we do
00:44:10.760 take care of David.
00:44:11.640 I think that we pay him
00:44:12.900 reasonably and we try and
00:44:14.020 take care of him
00:44:14.780 financially, but that's
00:44:16.220 not the point.
00:44:16.840 That's not what David
00:44:17.700 does this for.
00:44:19.700 David and none of us are
00:44:21.120 in this for the money.
00:44:22.620 We're in this to fight
00:44:23.700 for a mission.
00:44:24.500 And right now, the most
00:44:27.360 acute part of that
00:44:28.700 mission is freedom of the
00:44:29.780 press and freedom of
00:44:30.540 speech.
00:44:31.580 And so while we do pay
00:44:33.060 David X amount of money,
00:44:35.240 we spend a multiple of
00:44:36.880 that defending his
00:44:38.300 freedoms.
00:44:39.680 I don't think I'm telling
00:44:40.800 you any secrets when I
00:44:42.440 say that a lawsuit
00:44:43.220 against a police
00:44:44.600 department where they
00:44:45.740 have unlimited resources,
00:44:48.340 government lawyers,
00:44:49.680 where the police
00:44:51.000 themselves are on the
00:44:52.640 public payroll as they
00:44:53.740 testify against you.
00:44:56.080 It's an uphill battle.
00:44:57.560 They outgun you five to
00:44:59.280 one, ten to one.
00:45:00.540 And every single lawsuit
00:45:02.100 we sue against the
00:45:03.980 police who harass them,
00:45:05.860 there's no way less.
00:45:07.240 Those will cost less than
00:45:08.280 $100,000 each.
00:45:10.520 Defending David will cost
00:45:12.040 tens of thousands more.
00:45:14.560 But it's not about the
00:45:15.740 money.
00:45:16.020 It's about if we don't do
00:45:16.800 this, who will?
00:45:17.900 We absolutely must fight
00:45:19.680 back.
00:45:21.540 Russell Coe 3926 says,
00:45:23.740 Trudeau must resign.
00:45:25.660 We won't stand for this
00:45:26.600 manipulative narcissist.
00:45:28.780 Well, I saw a new poll out
00:45:30.380 today by Abacus, which is,
00:45:32.200 you know, is a liberal
00:45:33.020 leaning pollster.
00:45:35.300 The largest lead ever
00:45:37.480 recorded by the conservatives
00:45:39.120 over the Trudeau liberals.
00:45:40.800 It was a 20-point lead going
00:45:42.280 from memory.
00:45:42.780 20-point lead.
00:45:44.320 By the way, the liberals don't
00:45:46.160 even have a gender gap anymore.
00:45:47.420 The exact same number of men
00:45:48.780 as women support them
00:45:50.660 proportionately.
00:45:51.880 It's the lowest.
00:45:53.100 It's just shockingly low.
00:45:55.080 To see the conservatives in the
00:45:56.820 lead even in Atlantic Canada
00:45:58.220 is quite something to behold.
00:46:00.740 I just want that election to come
00:46:02.220 sooner rather than later.
00:46:04.180 It's our show for today.
00:46:05.920 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of
00:46:07.300 us here at Rebel World Headquarters,
00:46:08.520 see you at home.
00:46:08.980 Good night.
00:46:10.220 And keep fighting for freedom.
00:46:11.240 We'll be right back.