EZRA LEVANT ｜ Pierre Poilievre wins the Conservative Party leadership race, and the battle is on
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Pierre-Pascal Poilièvre wins the Conservative Party of Canada's leadership race, and the battle is on for the next Prime Minister of Canada, Andrew Scheer and Erin O'Toole. Ezra talks about the results of the leadership contest, and what he was like being at the party's convention.
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Hello, my Rebels. What an interesting weekend, including the results of the leadership contest
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at the Conservative Party of Canada. Pierre Paulyab getting 68% of the points, a crushing
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first ballot victory. I'll tell you more about that victory, more about his speech, more
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about what it was like being at the convention and what I think the next months or years
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will be like, too. That's ahead. But first, let me invite you to go to rebelnewsplus.com.
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for lots of great stuff. All right. Here's today's show.
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Tonight, Pierre Polyev wins the Conservative Party's leadership race, and the battle is on.
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It's September 12th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
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Well, this weekend, the Conservative Party of Canada had the results of its leadership contest. It's no
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surprise that Pierre Polyev won. But what was, I think, somewhat surprising was the strength of his
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win. More than 68 percent of all the points on the first ballot. I say points because it wasn't
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quite votes. He won even more votes. But in the party's system, each electoral district was given
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100 points. So if you won 70 percent of that district, you get 70 points, whether that district
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had 200 members or 2,000. The idea was to give smaller districts the same weight as bigger districts.
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This quirk in the rules was supposed to benefit Jean Charest, who thought, perhaps, and convinced
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others that he would win the smaller population districts in Quebec. Alas, he did not. Polyev won
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almost every district in the country. Here's the moment that was announced to the crowd in the
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Ladies and gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen, I have some results. I have some results.
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It's my great privilege to announce the results.
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The next Prime Minister of Canada, the Honourable Pierre Poilièvre.
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It was such a dominant win. The evening came to a close quite quickly. Now, I was down there
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as I had been on previous party, in fact, in that very same building when the party selected other
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leaders, too, except for there were moments where Rebel News was banned by the Conservative Party. You
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might recall both Andrew Scheer turned against us and Erin O'Toole as well. We have always stayed the
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same. We're conservative. We're populist. We believe in telling the other side of the story and
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standing up for the little guy. But for their own reasons, Andrew Scheer and Erin O'Toole blackballed
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us. What was interesting, we were welcomed by the party this time, not just welcomed. We were set up
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on what they call a riser at the back of the room, along with all the other media companies to have our
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camera pointing at the stage in the front. So we were there at Pride of Place. In fact,
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we were right near the center. It was exciting to be back in there. And just walking into the
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convention center, I went with Alexa Lavoie and our young reporter, William Diaz Bertione from Ottawa,
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and producer, cameraman, Guillaume Waugh. We had an all-Francophone team there, actually,
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which was really fun for me as a Westerner to think how much Rebel News has grown. And he was just
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walking into the convention center. We couldn't move 10 feet without someone coming over to say
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hello and congrats to the Rebel, and can they take a selfie? Not just me, but of course Alexa, our star
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from Montreal, who had done such amazing work during the Ottawa convoy. I didn't even have to show ID.
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They said, oh, Mr. Levant, come here and get your media pass. And the reason I tell you these things
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is, I mean, they're completely normal. We're media. We would get a media pass. It was a public event.
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We would go to cover it. Is that the Conservative Party hardened its heart towards us under both
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Andrew Scheer and Aaron O'Toole. They're both gone. In the case of O'Toole, it's because he was not
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conservative enough. The truckers actually dispatched him. But it was a reminder that just
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because the party leadership didn't much like our reporting, I tell you, the people in that
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convention did. They never stopped liking Rebel News. They knew we told it like it was. And frankly,
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they agreed with us that Aaron O'Toole had to go. It's just good luck that the truckers had him
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thrown out the window. Otherwise, Pierre Polyev would not now be the leader. And who amongst us
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could possibly think that tired, timid Aaron O'Toole would have a chance against Trudeau as opposed to
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Pierre Polyev? Just simply the raw number of memberships that he sold. He claims he sold more
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than 300,000. And the statistics of his results seems to back that up. Just in terms of the
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interest and the excitement, literally having thousands of people attend, even in small centers
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for his speeches, who could deny that trading from Aaron O'Toole to Pierre Polyev is a trade up,
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not just in terms of ideology, but in terms of winnability. So that was very interesting. We were in
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the right place there. We live streamed our coverage of the event. We had over 100,000 people
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watch. That puts us in the same league as some mainstream media outlets. And it was just me
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sitting in a chair with my little ear pods and William filming things on his cell phone. We were
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very low budget. That's the Rebel News way. And yet we had more coverage and more viewers than many
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mainstream media outlets. I enjoyed the evening. I enjoyed seeing people that I had been banned from
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seeing in a long time, either banned by the anti-gathering rules of the lockdowns we've been
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living under for the last two years or banned by red Tories who didn't like Rebel News much and wouldn't
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have allowed us in in the past. So it was nice to catch up. Over the course of the evening, we had
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members of parliament stop by in our Rebel News chair to chat. Here's a member of the party caucus who
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was not on any particular team because he was part of the interim leadership of the party in the
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parliament during the leadership race. It was nice to have him on the show. We had the Roman Baber,
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one of the candidates who fared fairly well. He popped by to give us an update afterwards. Here's
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just a listen to Roman Baber. I asked him, what's he going to do now? Because I think he made a very
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strong impression. He got about 5% of the vote, which doesn't sound like a lot. But remember,
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at the beginning of this, he did not have federal experience. He had never been an MP.
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He was a member of the provincial parliament under Doug Ford before Ford got rid of him for his
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principled objection to the lockdowns. For someone who was really only known in one district in the
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country, to place a strong showing like that was quite impressive, I thought. And I think he's got
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a bright future. Here's an excerpt from my interview with Roman Baber.
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Pierre Polyev, 68%, very dominant. You were not an MP. You were active in the provincial PC party,
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but you debuted. I mean, for you to have a 5% ahead of Scott Aitchison, not far behind John
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Chirain, I think you rung a bell. I mean, listen, Pierre Polyev was dominant, but I think you connected
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with something in the Conservative Party. What do you think that was?
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I have to congratulate Pierre on a very decisive victory. He ran a very strong campaign,
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and I have optimism for the future of the Conservative Party, especially given the depth
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that he showed tonight and the conciliatory tone that he offered to John Chirain. I thought that was
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very good because the most important thing we need to do right now is unite as a party and embrace
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all Conservatives so we can defeat Justin Trudeau and eliminate what I think, frankly,
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is the existential risk of facing our democracy. Ezra, we've ran a terrific campaign. I've been
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fighting for Canadian democracy and for millions of Canadians that haven't had a voice for the last
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couple of years. Of course, it cost me my role with the provincial government, but I'm delighted that
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without question, we were able to push all the candidates in the democracy direction,
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and that means we'll help shape this race and therefore our party and therefore our country.
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I just want to emphasize that. I mean, you were the MPP for York Centre, and you won that, which is,
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you know, in the greater Toronto area, not too far north. So that's the kind of turf that the
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federal party will need to win to get a majority. To go from one district to winning votes across the
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country, I think people liked the fact that you proved, you suffered for the cause. You were kicked
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out of a government on a point of principle. That feels rare. That's a kind of ethical price to pay
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that few politicians have done. I think that's why you resonated. And I think you're right. I think the
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other candidates picked up on your message. How do you feel about Paulyev's comments about the
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Arrive Can app and mandates and other hangovers from the whole lockdown mania?
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That he showed some depth today. It wasn't, he didn't scratch the surface. He went into substantive
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issues, and he drew a difference between himself and our Conservative Party and Justin Trudeau and
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the Liberals. I like the fact that he was very clear that issues of the economy is something that's
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very, very predominant. But at the same time, he did not leave individual choice and our freedoms
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decide. And I have every confidence that he will restore freedom of speech and freedom of choice.
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And at the same time, really resonate with Canadians on what is now turning into a major issue,
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and that is the cost of living. Justin Trudeau is going to be thinking about the next pair of socks
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he's going to wear. Pierre Paulyev is going to think about making life for Canadians more affordable.
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Of course, ahead of Roman Baber is someone who I think can be called the fan favorite. She didn't win.
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And she didn't win Jean Charest, but she wasn't far behind. I'm talking about Dr. Leslyn Lewis,
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who we've had on the show many times. In fact, on her previous campaign, her first campaign
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appearance was Rebel News. And I chatted a bit with her campaign manager, Steve Outhouse. Here's an
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excerpt from that. Sheila, sitting with me now is Steve Outhouse, who is the boss of the Leslyn Lewis
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campaign. It's a pleasure to have you on the show. Thanks very much. You know, there's a lot of overlap
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between Rebel News viewers and Leslyn Lewis. Wherever I go, people want to talk to me about
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her, ask me about her. They're rooting for her. What is it about Leslyn Lewis that has
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built such a dedicated following? I know I sound like a fanboy here, but I'm just reporting to you.
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Wherever I go, there's a special depth of commitment. Why is it? I have a theory, but I want to hear it
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from you. Well, I think she's been willing to kind of talk about issues that maybe other candidates
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have been a bit shy to discuss. And I think that kind of mirrors your audience a bit too,
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where they're kind of looking to go a bit deeper on a few different things. And her background in
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international law in particular, right now, there's a huge interest in sovereignty issues
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like you're well aware of. And there's been a lot of requests. And she's been going kind of
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across the country. And she did over about 110 campaign events that came up in every event that
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we have. Sovereignty. So you're talking about globalism, World Economic Forum, stuff like that?
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What are the connections with these kind of global organizations and what sort of impact it has on
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Canada? So it was fun talking to these folks before our cameras were rolling, where I was just sitting
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there and getting ready for the night. Jenny Byrne, the campaign manager for Pierre Polyev came over
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and chatted with me and talked. We talked a little bit about the place of Rebel News and the media
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ecosystem. And it was interesting to me, the approach taken by Polyev towards the media,
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I think it's an excellent approach. It's not worthy to me that Polyev did not
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do an interview with any of the media who were there. In the past, Aaron O'Toole would have or
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Andrew Scheer would have gone and sat down with CTV and then sat down with CBC and then sat down with
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Global News and had a interview like they would have bent the knee and been a part of the process.
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And Polyev did not do that. He puts out the media he wants to do. He puts out his own social media.
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He gives speeches and access to them, but he does not over respect the press. And it's not just him.
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I have to say the star of the evening, I mean, Pierre Polyev, it was obviously his night and he
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won. And later on the show, we'll show you an excerpt or two from his speech. But I have to say
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the highlight of the speech for me was Pierre Polyev's wife, who I had seen in little video clips
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before, but I'd never seen her speak at length. She gave a great speech. She's a good talker.
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She's a good thinker. She's smart. She's political. She happens to speak three languages, English,
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French and Spanish. She, her family came from Venezuela. I want to show you. Here, let me
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run a couple of minutes of Anaida Polyev's talk. I thought it was good.
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My husband and I share the same values, although our background is a little different.
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On Marie and moi, nous partageons les mêmes valeurs, malgré que notre parcours est un peu
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différent. I was born in Caracas, Venezuela, and my family immigrated to Canada in 1995,
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in a working-class neighborhood in the east end of Montreal.
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My father, he went from wearing business suits and managing a bank to jumping on the back
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of a pickup truck to collect fruits and vegetables, because that's what he had to do to feed his
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family. The Galindo family present here tonight taught us hard work and that there is no greater
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Years later, here we are. My father is a small business owner, and my siblings went all from
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their humble beginnings, including me working at McDonald's, to being a renovator, a registered
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practical nurse, a proud member of the Canadian Air Forces. And here I am, let's feed the point
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at home, standing in front of you and by my husband's side.
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You know what else I like about her, besides the fact that she's a believer and obviously up for the
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campaign and energetic, which by the way, Sophie Trudeau is not. And I'm not picking on Sophie Trudeau,
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but I truly am not. I don't think she's a public person. I mean, she was a TV presenter, so how could
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she not be a public person? Well, she clearly is at odds with Justin Trudeau. She rarely campaigns
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with him, appears once or twice for some photo ops, and then is never seen. For example, she's actually
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was doing a TED Talk with Hillary Clinton and bizarrely asked Hillary Clinton for relationship
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advice. And if you're looking up to Bill and Hillary Clinton for relationship advice, it tells me you'll
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take advice from anyone. You take a look. You know, stay in my marriage. And, and, you know, I said,
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that's not the right choice for everybody. Sometimes the gutsy thing is not to, but everybody should be
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given the opportunity to make those difficult choices about relationships the best that they
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can, because it goes back to the Maya Angelou quote, I mean, do the best you can. And now when you know
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how to do better, do better. And I really wanted to highlight and we have people there who lost their
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spouses, both husbands and same sex partners, we, you know, talk with Gloria Steinem, who was engaged when
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she was a young woman and broke the engagement because it didn't seem like the life that she wanted to
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live. We really tried to cover the gambit of the most personal aspects of our lives where yeah, we're called to be gutsy.
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And does being gutsy mean re-imagining love and relationships? You know, Esther Perel, she says
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that because of our emotional and relational immaturity, we have a tendency to want to kill a
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relationship instead of re-questioning its structure. Love is taking on so many different
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forms from all gender, from all race, from, and really as long as human beings are happy, is it not
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our responsibility to keep an open mind to re-imagine how love can express freely? Amen.
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Absolutely. Yes. I absolutely think you're right. All right. I don't mean to pick on Sophie Trudeau,
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but my point is, where is she these days? She does not campaign with Justin Trudeau because she is
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not built for public life. She says the goofiest things and the party does not let her out.
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Oneida Polyev is the opposite. She's brilliant. She's more attractive and more winning personality
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than her husband. A little bit like Lorene Harper in that way, who had some emotional intelligence that
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the colder Stephen Harper didn't have. I think Oneida is going to be a secret weapon, not just as a
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campaign spouse who is telegenic, but also very warm connections. I think she's going to be a bridge
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to new immigrants in other communities that don't underestimate her power. And my favorite thing
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about Oneida Polyev is this. Look at this exchange just not too long ago. Look at this series of
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tweets. The CBC apparently learned that Oneida Polyev, before she met and married Pierre Polyev,
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worked in the House of Commons, worked for other members of parliament. And the CBC asked,
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well, if she married Pierre Polyev, shouldn't she be fired by the conservative MP for whom she
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worked? It was a bizarre thing that the liberals would never say about anyone else. But look at
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Oneida Polyev's stream of Twitter comments poking back hard at the CBC. You would never see that
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from Mrs. O'Toole or Mrs. Scheer, neither of whom was a particularly useful campaigner.
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But you most certainly would never see that from a politician on the left. You would never poke back
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at the CBC. Even if they were mean to you, you would have a private call with them. But Oneida Polyev
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understands what her husband does, which is the real enemy is not the Liberal Party. It is the media
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party. More and more Canadians have learned to distrust Trudeau. They have been disillusioned by
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him. He is not the threat. No one trusts him really. No one believes he's really the brains of the
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operation. But the smear machine in the media party is what you have to watch out for. Trudeau is too
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smart to say we should pick on Oneida Polyev. She should be fired. But the CBC will do his dirty work
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for him. And the fact that Oneida Polyev pushed back at them is the most encouraging thing. Would you
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not agree? So I attended there along with our team. And it was great to have a catch up, not just with the
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people on TV, but the people I spoke with privately. What was interesting is the grassroots
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loved us. Jenny Byrne of Polyev's own office had a good heart to heart with us. But there were some
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people there who didn't like us much. And I would say it was the professional political class,
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the mercenaries, who were only too happy to do Aaron O'Toole's bidding and fight with us. It's the
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same, I think, in every institutions. You have the professional elite. And the trouble is that they
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they have similar traits to the professional political elite of other parties. I hope that
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Pierre Polyev can remake the campaign, the party and the parliament to be more respectful
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of true conservative grassroots instead of the do anything Aaron O'Toole says professional political
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class. But either way, I had a lot of fun there. I actually chatted with some media from other
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companies too. And by the way, not every reporter from the mainstream media looks down on Rebel News.
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I'm not going to say who I was talking to because I don't want him to get the mean treatment from his
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colleagues. But I spoke with one prominent reporter who said, look, there should be more voices in the
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conversation. Let's keep talking with each other. That was his way of saying he doesn't necessarily
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agree with everything Rebel News does, but he's glad we're a voice. I really appreciate that.
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And because I appreciate it, I will not identify him in this conversation. I should tell you,
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though the media swarm is coming, they know their marching orders. They also know, for example,
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the CBC that Polyev has said he will defund them. And he most certainly will, at least more likely
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than Stephen Harper. Stephen Harper proved that you cannot tame the wild animal called the CBC. Even
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if you pay it for 10 years like Harper did, it'll still bite your hand. And there's no point in
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pretending that they can like you. They simply will not. The media swarm is coming even more than ever
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because they're all on the payroll. Trudeau's media bailout now.
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What's interesting is the language. In a moment, I'm going to show you some language
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that Melanie Jolie, one of Trudeau's generals, used today to describe Pierre Polyev. And you can see
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it rings hollow. It's a rehash, a reheat of comments made in previous elections that just won't click
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anymore. The liberals are the party of hope and hard work. Yeah, that was your motto back in 2015,
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sister. I don't think that's really going to click in 2022 when no one under 40 can afford to buy a
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house in a city like Toronto or Vancouver. When few people can afford to fill up the car, gas is so
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expensive. When inflation in groceries is terrifying. And when interest rates are skyrocketing, can you
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even buy a house now? I don't think, hey, we're the party of hope and hard work works after seven years.
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You'll see Justin Trudeau's being working on some lines for Pierre Polyev, but I think it's going to
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be very interesting. I think we are in a kind of recession. You could say it's stagflation, a kind
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of stagnation plus inflation. And I see this because I see it in my own city. If you're not making six
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figures, how do you ever get into a home? How do you scrape together a down payment? Now, maybe because
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the market has cooled off because of the high interest rates, but fine, you can't afford the high
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interest rates. I think we are in a deep trouble. And I think a lot of it is on Trudeau, but he's
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never been good at dealing with issues. He's always been the fancy socks guy, the selfies guy. I don't
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know if it works anymore. We can see some of the attacks from the media party. Althea Raj made this
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bizarre attack, mocking Pierre Polyev for caring about, you know, young people who can't move out of
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their parents' basements. Raj said, those are people living in their mom's basements who can't
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get a date. Now, Althea, it's not that they are incels or whatever you want to say. It's that if
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you cannot afford to get your own place and you're living in your parents' basement, not because you're
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a bad person or even that you're poor, but rather because housing prices are so astronomical and now
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so is interest rates too. You actually can't start your life. You can't likely find someone and form a
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family and have kids. You can't do that if you can't afford to buy a house. And it's not because
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these are nerdy losers in their parents' homes. They're in their parents' homes because Trudeau's
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housing policies, which includes inflation, and by the way, the highest immigration levels
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in history, pouring hundreds of thousands more people into the housing market. That's why they
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can't afford a home. That's why they can't afford a home. I think there's a chance we will see a snap
00:24:51.060
election. The liberals have done that before. They did that to Stockwell the day before. You might
00:24:55.320
recall when he took over the Canadian Alliance party from Preston Manning and all of a sudden
00:25:00.740
he was younger, cooler, spoke better French, seemed more energetic and hip. I think Chrétien was a
00:25:06.560
little bit afraid of him, enough that he called the snap election so that the media party could define
00:25:12.280
Stockwell day before he defined himself, but before Stockwell day could properly introduce himself to
00:25:17.420
the country. Now, Pierre Polyev is not an unknown factor, but he's not well known around the country.
00:25:23.940
And I think that Justin Trudeau may be tempted to do the same thing. He may be tempted to call a snap
00:25:29.360
election and dump a ton of money demonizing Polyev, although he doesn't have to spend a cent because
00:25:34.660
the media will do it for him. There is also another scenario I hear murmured about. Maybe Trudeau himself
00:25:41.940
will be shuffled out, maybe replaced by Chrystia Freeland, who is in many ways the de facto Prime Minister.
00:25:47.680
Trudeau, of course, just working on photo ops and relationships while Freeland engages in the actual
00:25:53.500
levers of power. I'm not sure if I believe that, though, because I think Justin Trudeau really has no other
00:25:58.820
job to go to. I don't think that he will be received at the United Nations, where I think, frankly, he would have been
00:26:04.120
a better fit there seven years ago than his Prime Minister. He likes doing mascot type things. He likes having no
00:26:10.400
accountability, no elections. He likes traveling around the world and being really cool and showing his socks. That is a fit for a
00:26:16.780
place like the United Nations. But I think they've soured on him over the years. And of course, they rejected
00:26:22.360
his application for Canada to be part of the Security Council. I don't think he has that place to go to.
00:26:27.600
And he still wants the luxuries of being the Prime Minister, the private jet, the endless vacations.
00:26:34.600
And I think he probably wants to match his own father's 16 years in office as Prime Minister.
00:26:40.400
So I think Trudeau is going to stick around. I think that the good news is there's finally some
00:26:47.740
opposition in this country. Now, I do hope that Pierre Pagliot beats Justin Trudeau in the next
00:26:52.040
election and does what he says, ranging from unlocking Canada's oil and gas, building the pipelines,
00:26:58.740
stopping the crazy coming war against agriculture, getting out of the tax and spend
00:27:03.660
and inflate plans of the liberals, ending the vaccine mandates, ending the arrive can app.
00:27:10.520
All of those things are wonderful. And frankly, it feels like a rebel news checklist.
00:27:14.940
I hope he becomes Prime Minister, but I know this, even until he does, or even if he does not,
00:27:21.360
he will be more of an opposition than Aaron O'Toole or Andrew Scheer everywhere. And I emphasize
00:27:26.580
Aaron O'Toole because in the most difficult time in our recent history,
00:27:32.340
when there was a crisis and a civil liberties crisis packed on top of that and an economic crisis
00:27:39.680
packed on top of that, most of the crisis generated by people, not by a virus. Aaron O'Toole
00:27:47.000
failed the test. He did not do what he ought to have done and being Her Majesty's loyal opposition,
00:27:53.920
he was not that. He did not oppose. He did not loyally oppose. And because there was no opposition,
00:28:00.360
this country suffered. And because he was not an opposition, conservatives did not vote for him
00:28:05.280
with any enthusiasm. I think that Pierre Polyev will oppose not just the Liberal Party,
00:28:12.940
but he'll also oppose the Media Party and his wife will too. I think Pierre Polyev has a real chance
00:28:19.040
of winning and I hope he does. But I know that starting today, he's already provided more opposition
00:28:25.840
and more arguments and facts against Jason, Justin Trudeau than either of the last two leaders did.
00:28:31.620
In that sense, it's a good time and it's good news. And the rebel news has an important part to play
00:28:37.920
too. And that happened over the weekend as well. Stay with us. We'll talk more about this with our
00:28:58.560
And there are people in this country who are just hanging on by a thread. These are citizens
00:29:14.400
of our country. We are their servants. We owe them hope. They don't need a government that sneers at
00:29:21.020
them, looks down on them, calls them names. They don't need a government to run their lives. They need
00:29:31.900
That was part of Pierre Polyev's remarks on Saturday night when he won the Conservative
00:29:38.480
Leadership Contest on the first ballot with more than 60 percent of the points. Remember,
00:29:44.240
they had a point system where every district had 100 points. But even in raw votes, his results were
00:29:51.040
even more impressive. Polyev winning more than 90 percent of all the districts in the country.
00:29:56.380
I think that blunted some of the wishes of the opposition and the media party who thought there
00:30:03.800
would be a great division and Jean Charest might storm off in a huff. That didn't happen. I think
00:30:08.960
partly because Polyev did so well, even in areas that Charest was thought to be strong, Quebec
00:30:14.440
especially. I thought the speech was interesting and positive. I'd heard much of it before from Polyev,
00:30:20.800
as I mentioned on the night's live stream, where we had over 100,000 viewers, by the way. It was very
00:30:26.500
exciting. The star of the night was Oneida Polyev, Pierre Polyev's wife, who's a great communicator,
00:30:35.460
a great speechmaker, trilingual, English, French, and Spanish. Her family fled Venezuela.
00:30:45.120
Very strong comments by both Pierre Polyev and his wife Oneida about new Canadians and about starting
00:30:52.540
from scratch. I thought it was a strong debut. Let's talk a little bit about the weekend's
00:30:58.180
convention and then we'll update you with some of the back and forth today between Polyev and
00:31:04.680
Trudeau and his campaign generals. But let's start by going to our friend in Winnipeg, Spencer Fernando,
00:31:11.680
the boss of SpencerFernando.com. Great to see you, Spencer. I'm sure you were riveted by the event,
00:31:17.760
although it wasn't really much of a surprise. I think everyone thought Polyev would win.
00:31:23.860
But the question is, would it be on the first round and how resoundingly? What did you think
00:31:28.580
of the result? Did you expect it to be around that? Well, I was certainly confident Polyev was
00:31:34.420
going to win. I think people would have been shocked if anything else happened. The extent of his win,
00:31:39.400
I mean, it leaves no doubt that the party's united behind him and that the party supports him.
00:31:45.180
And so, as you say, you know, the liberals and the media were certainly hoping for a result where
00:31:49.700
they could say, oh, look how divided the conservatives are. You know, Jean Charest is going to leave and
00:31:54.300
he's going to take a bunch of people with him and maybe start his own party. He just can't really do
00:31:58.280
that now. I mean, he got so, so severely beaten in the results that he has no real ability to,
00:32:04.400
you know, say that he represents any large portion of the party at all. And that's why he's going back
00:32:08.760
to the private sector. So I think it's a good result for the country. It's a good result for the
00:32:12.900
fact that we're going to have a real, you know, ideological choice in the next election, not the
00:32:16.860
conservatives pretending to be the liberals. And that's very positive.
00:32:20.280
You know, I think that campaigns, no campaign is quite like the one before it. They say about generals,
00:32:27.600
they're always want to refight the last war. And in, in politics, you see that a bit too. Let me
00:32:33.720
show you, for example, Melanie Jolie, who's a cabinet minister under Trudeau. I want to show
00:32:41.300
you her reaction. And you tell me, does this sound like she's just reheating the talking points from
00:32:48.700
2015 when the liberals ran against Stephen Harper? Take a listen.
00:32:54.040
People want Canadians value good government. And they don't want the polarization they've seen in
00:33:00.820
other countries, including south of the border. So based on that, we'll make sure that we deliver,
00:33:06.620
that we're connected. And meanwhile, for the rest, if Pierre Palliev wants to go into,
00:33:11.860
you know, division, it's his decision. We'll be about hope and hard work.
00:33:18.080
Hope and hard work. I literally think that was their campaign motto from 2015. There was a
00:33:23.960
little bit of your Donald Trump of the North division in the South. It's a bit rich for the
00:33:28.700
party that has spent two years demonizing unvaccinated people saying, should we even
00:33:32.840
tolerate them? I'm not sure if they've quite worked out their message track about how to handle
00:33:37.660
Pierre Palliev. What do you think? Yeah, they're just rehashing what they did in 2015. And they're
00:33:44.360
just, you know, I'm just, I just wrote something for the National Citizens Coalition that'll be coming
00:33:48.180
out soon. And I talk about how, you know, it's, are they just pretending the last seven
00:33:52.100
years didn't happen? I mean, did they forget that in the 2021 election, they, they ran on
00:33:57.300
dividing the country and demonizing unvaccinated people. So it seems like it's, it's all gaslighting
00:34:02.780
from them. Gaslighting is going to be their strategy going forward. But I just don't think
00:34:06.520
people are going to buy it the same way. I think it's, you just, you know, you can fool people in
00:34:10.040
your first election and pretend to be positive when there's no real track record to look at. But
00:34:14.860
the liberals can't do that now. So yeah, they're going to try that. They're going to do the whole
00:34:19.320
thing where they're going to have a few of their top people will try to say how positive
00:34:22.540
they are. And then all the people on the state controlled media are going to be extremely
00:34:26.060
negative, trying to divide and tear apart the country and go after Paulieff. So, you
00:34:29.960
know, we know they're going to try that, but I think people are going to push back against
00:34:33.400
it. As we saw people in the conservative leadership race push back against the media narrative.
00:34:38.020
Yeah. I want to talk a little bit more in a moment about how the media, how Paulieff's approach
00:34:45.440
with the media is quite different from past conservatives. But I want to show you something
00:34:49.160
in Toronto Star. This caught me by surprise. For weeks, the Toronto Star has been demonizing
00:34:54.280
Pierre Paulieff, calling him extremist, saying he's the politics of rage. Watch out, Paulieff,
00:34:59.080
you're going to cause some, you know, violence or something. I mean, the headlines were so over
00:35:04.520
the top. But after Paulieff's speech on the weekend, the Toronto Star ran this headline
00:35:10.140
where they acknowledged that his message was actually hopeful and that he was talking about
00:35:16.540
real problems, whether it was the price of housing or people's inability to, you know,
00:35:22.580
start their lives because of inflation. And even the Toronto Star, which is a diehard liberal
00:35:28.380
newspaper and, you know, is the largest recipient of media bailouts. Even they are reflecting the
00:35:36.020
fact that, well, Pierre Paulieff is using the word hope, rekindle hope, renew hope. And I don't know,
00:35:43.240
I don't think Pierre Paulieff is going to be quite as easy to demonize as conservative leaders in the
00:35:50.420
past, especially given the fact that there are some problems in Canada. And Trudeau can't really
00:35:55.220
say, I will give you hope that we can solve these problems if he doesn't want to acknowledge
00:36:00.140
that the problems are here at all. And Trudeau is still pretending that everything's fine and
00:36:04.820
the government media is going along with him on that. But I don't know, I just don't know if
00:36:10.200
they're old messages, you're racist, you're sexist, you're divisive, you're Trump of the North.
00:36:14.340
I just don't know if that's going to work. I think that that doesn't work when you're
00:36:18.900
teetering on the edge of a recession and no one young can afford to buy a house.
00:36:25.560
Yeah, it's kind of like the hierarchy of needs, right? I mean, in the 2015 election,
00:36:29.460
the country had been doing pretty well. The budget was balanced, the economy, it slowed a little bit,
00:36:33.420
but it wasn't doing too badly. The country had recovered well from the global financial crisis.
00:36:38.780
So ironically, even though the Conservatives were in power, it was easy for a lot of Canadians to
00:36:42.140
think, well, I mean, things are pretty good. There's no real big threats ahead. So let's take
00:36:45.480
a chance on this hopeful Trudeau guy who's going to legalize marijuana. Seems pretty positive. He's
00:36:49.820
saying he's only going to run a few small deficits. So we should be pretty fiscally responsible,
00:36:54.100
whoever gets elected. You know, you can't say the same thing now. You can't say that there are no
00:36:57.920
threats in the world. You can't say the economy is doing well. So I think people start to look for
00:37:01.900
more serious leadership and look for somebody who's actually offering a real change. And so
00:37:05.540
the Liberals can't run on change. They have to run on the status quo, but the status quo is not
00:37:09.760
good for people. So it's really going to be a lot of fear mongering from them. Their only real hope
00:37:14.240
now is to just attack Paley of so much that people get scared of him. That's obviously what they're
00:37:18.500
going to try doing. But again, you know, when people are feeling that they can't pay the bills,
00:37:23.360
they can't afford food, things are getting worse and worse for them economically,
00:37:26.800
you know, they're not going to just be swayed by someone saying, oh, this person seems a little
00:37:29.840
impolite or this person seems like, you know, they've said a bunch of terrible things. People
00:37:33.340
are just not going to put up with that. And people are also going to look at Polyev and his family
00:37:37.200
and think, hmm, this doesn't really seem much like a white supremacist to me. So I think that rhetoric
00:37:41.760
is going to be pretty tough for them to push. Yeah, I think you're right. Here's a clip of Trudeau
00:37:45.400
himself today. And he looks very serious. I mean, he's dressed sharp. Obviously, he's been clean
00:37:51.860
shaven for a little while now. But he looks like, I'm not going to say he looks worried,
00:37:56.080
but he looks like he knows he has a serious campaign on his hand. It's not going to be a
00:38:00.600
slam dunk. Here's Trudeau. Now is not the time for politicians to exploit fears and to pit people
00:38:09.400
one against the other. As you all know, the Conservative Party picked a new leader over the
00:38:17.240
weekend. I want to congratulate Mr. Polyev for becoming the leader of his majesty's loyal opposition.
00:38:26.860
We've been making every effort to work with all parliamentarians, and we will continue to do so.
00:38:33.620
But this doesn't mean that we're not going to be calling out highly questionable, reckless
00:38:40.380
economic ideas. What Canadians need is responsible leadership. Buzzwords, dog whistles, and careless
00:38:51.420
attacks don't add up to a plan for Canadians. Attacking the institutions that make our society
00:39:00.040
fair, safe, and free is not responsible leadership. Telling people they can opt out of inflation by
00:39:11.300
investing their savings in volatile cryptocurrencies is not responsible leadership. By the way, anyone who
00:39:20.260
followed that advice would have seen their life savings destroyed. Fighting against vaccines that
00:39:27.940
saved millions of lives? That's not responsible leadership. Opposing the support and investments that have
00:39:39.220
helped save jobs, businesses, and families during the pandemic? That's not responsible leadership.
00:39:47.720
Well, you can see that was much more scripted than Melanie Jolie's rehash of, I guess, I guess it was the only
00:39:54.920
thing that came to mind, hope and hard work. You know, she's been repeating that mantra since 2015. So it's no surprise.
00:40:00.980
This was obviously carefully scripted. And, you know, it's you can see the argument. You can see the ads right now.
00:40:08.180
Pierre Poliev said we should invest in Bitcoin. If you did that, you would have like like they're they're picking
00:40:13.460
things, you know, not responsible leadership. He's reading it in that dramatic actor voice of his. There's a lot of gaslighting
00:40:20.560
in there, though, Spencer. I mean, when he says, hey, we can't exploit fears to pit people against each other.
00:40:26.200
Aren't you the prime minister who said there's no room for vaccinated people, unvaccinated people in our country?
00:40:32.200
And should we even tolerate those people? And you're not allowed on a train. You can't sit next to me because you've got
00:40:37.440
cooties like it's a it's a bit of chutzpah for this guy to say, don't exploit fears and pit people against each other.
00:40:43.840
But he thinks that people will forget. He thinks people will forget. Maybe he's right.
00:40:48.740
Yeah, I think that's the confidence of somebody who knows that he's managed to get much of the establishment media to be co-opted by
00:40:55.040
government funding and dependence on the state. And he also knows that for a long time, a lot of media institutions have
00:41:00.220
increasingly been, you could say, infiltrated or whatever you want to call it by radical far left activists.
00:41:06.040
So he knows that much of the current media structure is on his side. And he also knows that he's currently using
00:41:11.220
government power with legislation like Bill C-11 to try to shut down independent media, to narrow the balance of
00:41:18.640
communication in the country, to control social media, control what people can say.
00:41:22.740
So I think that's why he he feels that he can get away with so much of the gaslighting and the
00:41:27.680
dishonest rhetoric. He thinks that he's got a big structure there to support him. And it's true,
00:41:32.040
he does. So he he will, you know, feel he can get away with it. But the other problem is that if for him
00:41:37.000
is if you look at the results of the conservative leadership race, not just Paulie Evans' victory,
00:41:41.480
but how many memberships, how much money he raised, how much bigger the conservative party is now
00:41:45.860
than it was before the leadership race, it tells you there's a real groundswell of public opinion
00:41:50.600
and energy that is opposing him. And that's, you know, he took advantage of that in 2015,
00:41:55.060
when people were tired of their previous government. And now he's seeing that same dynamic that's now
00:41:59.980
working against him. So, you know, he's he's obviously going to run a negative campaign.
00:42:03.860
I think it's going to be the most negative campaign we've seen in Canadian politics,
00:42:07.340
you know, possibly in the history of the country. You know, look at how angry people are already.
00:42:11.540
The liberals are going to try to make people more angry to try to hold on to power. So that's the
00:42:15.900
direction he's going to go in. I think Canadians are well aware of that. And they can they can say
00:42:20.840
all they want about being about hope and hard work. But the next campaign is going to look quite
00:42:24.720
a lot different than that. You know, I'm thinking about that cryptocurrency thing. I mean,
00:42:28.380
cryptocurrencies, they go up, they go down. I don't think I don't think Pierre Paliyev was giving
00:42:34.980
personal financial advice to anybody. He was talking about cryptocurrencies as a possible
00:42:40.640
new way of doing commerce, a new industry. And I think he was talking about it as an alternative to
00:42:47.980
government controlled currency that can be inflated by by the government. That the fact that
00:42:53.960
cryptocurrencies have dipped down is, you know, bad for those who have invested in them, I suppose.
00:42:59.560
But but it's if that if that's the thing they're that they're hanging on to, there's I mean,
00:43:06.680
that's a comment. That's a that's a niche issue. That's a curiosity. It's not a central issue.
00:43:14.080
It was always a throwaway line. And it was his way of sort of Paliyev's way of being sort of new and
00:43:18.220
modern compared to Trudeau. And it was an answer to the Bank of Canada. But if that that was the most
00:43:24.420
interesting and the most colorful criticism that Trudeau had of him. And I think that says something.
00:43:31.460
I think that says they don't have like they didn't call him racist there. They didn't call him sexist.
00:43:38.120
They didn't call him homophobic. They didn't use the they didn't talk about abortion. Maybe those
00:43:43.480
they're saving those things for later. But it it feels like they're really stretching if they're
00:43:48.700
saying, you know, he expressed interest in cryptocurrencies. And boy, I hope he didn't invest
00:43:53.720
if that's what they got on the guy. I don't know. I mean, I'm sure their war room is digging up
00:43:59.720
everything terrible they can on Pierre Paliyev. But the first draft doesn't look as scary as maybe
00:44:06.920
it ought to. What do you think? Yeah, it's interesting to look at the parallels between
00:44:10.820
different political parties and campaigns, even when they're, you know, on different sides of
00:44:14.520
the political spectrum. But to look at the broader situation they're in. And, you know, there are,
00:44:18.740
you know, some of the when you see, you know, kind of, as you say, the petty and kind of nitpicking
00:44:23.080
attacks on Paliyev. It does remind you a bit of how the conservatives were trying to attack
00:44:27.960
Justin Trudeau in 2015. You know, when a government is kind of out of energy, when people are looking
00:44:32.420
for a change, you do see kind of the petty old, you know, you know, nice hair, though, right? I mean,
00:44:36.940
okay, that didn't really work out too well for them. So when you see that they have to find very
00:44:41.180
kind of niche and obscure things to go after somebody for, it starts to tell you that they
00:44:45.740
know they're in trouble. And I think, you know, the thing we're also not talking about, too, is,
00:44:49.560
you know, where's the NDP in all this, right? I mean, they're the supposedly working class
00:44:52.780
party, and they're just, you know, Paliyev is just eating their lunch right now. And so it's very
00:44:56.900
interesting to see what the dynamic there will be, because Trudeau is, at some point,
00:45:00.660
the liberals will inevitably start to say to NDP voters, oh, Paliyev is so dangerous, you can't,
00:45:05.460
you can't risk voting NDP. And what does Jake Mead Singh do in that situation? Does he just say,
00:45:10.260
oh, the liberals are just as bad? He's been unwilling to really say that. Can he even say
00:45:14.220
the liberals are bad? He's been propping them up all this time. So I think, you know, if you're the
00:45:18.080
NDP, you're looking at what's going to happen after this next election? Do we really see the
00:45:21.860
country become fully polarized between the left and the right, where you have the conservatives
00:45:26.020
taking a principled conservative stand and the liberals basically wiping out the NDP and trying
00:45:30.780
to get all the NDP voters to vote for them? I think it's going to be a very interesting dynamic
00:45:35.340
to look at going forward. And I think, you know, the conservatives will have to look at,
00:45:38.880
you know, how do they appeal to working class voters? How do they get NDP votes? Because I think
00:45:42.780
those votes are going to be very much up for grabs. I think you're right, Jagmeet Singh, very weak. And
00:45:47.200
the speech by Paliyev really did feel working class in terms of ordinary issues for ordinary people.
00:45:54.360
Um, and Jagmeet Singh is nowhere. Let me play one final clip. Uh, this was Paliyev, um, calling out
00:46:01.820
Trudeau at, uh, this was an excerpt from his speech to caucus as leader. Here, take a look.
00:46:08.000
And so I'm issuing a challenge to Justin Trudeau today. If you really understand the suffering of
00:46:15.220
Canadians, Mr. Prime Minister, if you understand that people can't gas their cars, feed their families,
00:46:20.980
or afford homes for themselves, if you really care, commit today that there will be no new tax
00:46:36.260
You know, look at that language, the suffering of Canadians. If you care, hang on, care, that's
00:46:43.920
the liberal grant. Suffering, that's the NDP grant, grant. Workers and seniors. So he's taking that,
00:46:51.840
that working class language, and I think he can do so legitimately. Uh, and I think it works. You know,
00:46:59.120
one of the most interesting things that I've learned during this campaign, and I've known
00:47:02.440
Pierre Paliyev casually for, for decades, actually, I did not know he was adopted. And he told that
00:47:10.200
story of how he was born to his teenage mom and given up for adoption and parents raised him. And
00:47:16.900
like, it was just a whole interesting story. And I'm really glad he tells that story because it
00:47:22.960
changed. Cause you, you can't say, Oh, you're just a, a rich fat cat conservative, you know,
00:47:28.480
a billionaire Trumpist. No, this is a guy who started, um, you know, life in an uphill battle.
00:47:34.940
And if he's talking about suffering in Canadians, and if you care,
00:47:38.940
what an interesting difference to Mr. Elite spoon born with a silver spoon in his mouth,
00:47:44.220
jetting around to, to billionaire Island in, in the Bahamas for vacations. Like
00:47:50.200
Justin Trudeau never pretends that he's anything less than a fancy trust fund kit. It's part of his
00:47:56.340
mystique and glamour. And Trudeau's taking that head on and saying, yeah, you're a fancy pants
00:48:01.320
who doesn't know what it's like to have to pay for a house or pay for gas. I think it's an
00:48:05.920
interesting challenge and I think it can actually work. Yeah. I think what's interesting about what
00:48:10.540
Paliyev is doing is that, you know, there've been two kinds of schools of thought on what does it
00:48:14.240
mean for conservatives to reach out to new voters? And so previously, especially under Aaron O'Toole,
00:48:20.300
the thinking clearly was, well, reaching out means that you just basically give up on all
00:48:25.400
conservative ideas and you just kind of try to be, uh, just a little tiny bit to the right of
00:48:30.320
the liberals and, and hope that's enough. And that's what reaching out is. Whereas I think
00:48:34.020
what Paliyev is doing is he's reaching out in a way that is still consistent with conservative
00:48:37.460
principles, but he's explaining them in a, in a different way and explaining them in a new
00:48:41.380
context. And you, you look at how he's trying to appeal to young people, for instance, and he's
00:48:45.500
not saying, oh, well, you know, young people are all socialists, so we're just going to offer
00:48:48.500
them more government money. He's saying, no, look, this is why, you know, sound money is
00:48:52.120
important. This is why fiscal responsibility is important. This is how, what the Bank of
00:48:55.720
Canada has done and what Justin Trudeau has done has made it impossible for so many young
00:48:59.200
people to afford to get a house. This is why rent is going up. This is why everything's
00:49:02.600
more expensive and why a whole generation is being held back. So he's taking principled
00:49:07.460
conservative ideas, but using them in any way and appealing to a new group of voters.
00:49:11.680
And I think that's the much more effective strategy because, you know, it's one thing to
00:49:15.180
just say you're going to win votes, but you also have to win people over to your vision
00:49:18.200
and your ideology and your viewpoint of the world. And the conservatives have for a long
00:49:21.700
time failed to do that because they basically adopt the liberal worldview and then hope that,
00:49:26.200
oh, if we do that, people won't be too scared of us. You know, you actually have to persuade
00:49:29.760
people and you actually have to convince people. And Paul Yev is certainly showing that he understands
00:49:33.560
that. And I think so far that he's capable of doing that.
00:49:36.520
Yeah, it's going to be very interesting. Well, Spencer Fernando, great to catch up with you.
00:49:39.900
How's the website spencerfernando.com coming along? You've got that in-depth email subscription.
00:49:45.940
Give our viewers a quick update on how you're doing with that.
00:49:49.380
Yeah, it's going well. I've started a new, I'm still doing all the free content on my website,
00:49:52.900
so I'm not going to stop doing that, but also a more in-depth look at, you know,
00:49:56.780
Canadian politics just this weekend. It's on patron and maybe you can include a link.
00:50:01.180
It's certainly, there's a link on my website and it's about 4,500 words going mostly into the
00:50:07.220
conservative leadership race. You know, some of the things we've talked about today,
00:50:10.360
how it affects different groups, how it affects the establishment media, how it affects the liberal
00:50:13.980
NDP Socialist Coalition, what it means for the country and democracy going forward. So
00:50:18.140
if you like the writing on my website and you want, you know, even more of it and more in-depth
00:50:24.020
Right on. Well, you're doing the hard work. I mean, that's a serious think piece, as they're
00:50:28.900
called. That's a serious, well, listen, congratulations on that. We need more independent
00:50:33.680
journalism like yours. So I salute you for that and you're a hardworking guy and you're always fast
00:50:38.580
on the news. I'm impressed with how quick you are on the breaking news. Thanks for taking the time
00:50:42.820
with us today and keep up the fight. No problem. Take care. All right. There you have it. Spencer
00:50:47.020
Fernando from the website, spencerfernando.com. Stay with us. Your Letters to Me are next.
00:50:52.040
Hey, welcome back. Your Letters to Me, 7 Emanuel 7, talking about my chit-chat with Conrad Black,
00:51:09.720
says, you guys have a great chemistry in this interview. I hope Conrad becomes a regular. God
00:51:14.540
bless. Well, he's so smart and he's lived such an interesting life in high circles of society.
00:51:20.920
Remember, he was a proprietor of the Daily Telegraph, really one of the most prestigious
00:51:25.320
newspapers in the UK and indeed the world. He ran in those circles. He was a member of the House
00:51:29.840
of Lords. So he met the Queen. He met Charles. So he had personal anecdotes. You heard he didn't
00:51:36.240
want to share too many of the private ones, but I liked what I heard. It was very interesting. I
00:51:40.040
thought we were one degree of separation away from the Queen. A. Nickerson says, most would argue
00:51:46.680
that King Charles is on board with Klaus Schwab's World Economic Forum with investments.
00:51:50.920
I don't know about investments, but here's a photo of the now King Charles with Klaus Schwab
00:51:58.360
and actually Václav Havel. It doesn't surprise me that a man who really didn't do a lot for
00:52:05.040
73 years, Prince Charles, who was in that high society of wealth, power and prestige, met
00:52:12.740
up at the World Economic Forum, which is really about oligarchs and power and prestige. It doesn't
00:52:17.880
surprise me. And I don't like anyone who hangs out with the World Economic Forum. At least my
00:52:25.320
spider senses start tingling. I can forgive a guy attending an event or posing for a photograph.
00:52:33.260
That's not what scares me. What scares me more about the World Economic Forum, not if someone
00:52:37.720
went there or listened to things or said something. It's, are you part of their agenda? And do you
00:52:46.140
believe that they should be a source of power, even though they have no democratic legitimacy? Do you
00:52:50.780
believe that they should inject themselves, as Klaus Schwab would say, into the cabinets of the world?
00:52:59.020
You know, I don't think there's anything wrong with actually listening or meeting with anybody,
00:53:03.660
as long as you remain yourself as opposed to co-opted. So I'm worried about King Charles,
00:53:09.260
but I'm actually more worried about all his green extremism, his ideology that, you know,
00:53:16.300
we're all going to die if we don't tackle global warming while he gets on his private jets. I hope
00:53:20.380
he abandons that and leaves it behind and focuses on the uncontroversial duties he has rather than
00:53:29.580
Get crack and says, wasn't this guy knighted or given a title of some sort? Wouldn't that make
00:53:35.980
him part of the club? You're talking about Conrad Black. And yes, he, I mean, he's interesting in
00:53:41.100
that he had one foot in the club, but one foot in conservative politics and one foot in the insurgent
00:53:47.260
national post newspaper. And of course he is affiliated with the democracy fund as the
00:53:53.420
civil liberties historian. Yeah, he's, he's a complicated fellow with a lot of irons in the fire. I'm
00:53:59.100
talking about Conrad Black. Um, I like him. I find him interesting. And I mean,
00:54:03.580
I know that he personally knew Klaus Schwab as well. Um, so, um, you know, my, my focus with
00:54:11.420
Conrad Black is usually on matters of civil liberties in Canadian politics, but he does have
00:54:17.020
other interesting and sometimes controversial stories as well. That's our show for today.
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Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at rebel world headquarters to you at home, good night.