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00:08:29.960Well, first of all, I want to know what you do here.
00:08:32.200If you work for the public, then surely you should be able to tell us what you do on behalf of the taxpayer or the parents of the Ottawa Carlton District School Board.
00:08:41.120Right, and so what did you want to talk about?
00:08:43.860Well, I wanted to deliver this petition.
00:08:47.480People who disagree with the actions of Nilly Kathleen Mirth, silencing parents in person, and then having two change.org petitions taken down.
00:09:28.580She reacted poorly, almost like a wild-eyed, mask-obsessed TV doctor turned school board trustee who silenced its parents would act.
00:09:41.780I'm glad security came because I feel like maybe we needed security to deal with her because she was pretty crazy slamming doors, screaming at me.
00:14:36.160And I'm consciously saying the word enslaving, enslaving all the people all around the world.
00:14:45.280There will be a few privileged that do not have to eat bugs, that will still be able to fly, still own a car, and will still be allowed to leave the immediate area where they live in and not be subjected to a climate lockdown, which is what we're actually talking about right now.
00:15:04.78015 minutes neighborhoods as a word here, but they're a part of some privileged, but all of us here, every one of us, me included, we will be subjected to their rules all in the name of saving the planet, you know.
00:15:23.360All right, so we've officially been backed into a corner of the library at the so-called peaceful Love is Love rally.
00:15:33.720The supporters of the event have told us not to antagonize.
00:17:35.640You know, so I don't know what everybody's problem is.
00:17:39.540Our population is growing faster than the supply of housing.
00:17:43.600The costs and the crime that Cherudo's policies have unleashed make this country unlivable for newcomers and for those who have been here a long time.
00:17:54.220If you had the space, would you be willing to welcome a refugee into your home?
00:17:57.680Absolutely. Absolutely, if I had the space.
00:17:59.860I have the space. My family and I own some real estate units. We would never do this.
00:18:03.880Last weekend, three, yes, three women's rugby players had to be removed from a game and treated for injuries from hits sustained by a trans woman.
00:18:12.120That just bowled him over. It literally couldn't be easier for this guy.
00:18:18.100Notice the reaction that he gets from the other teammates of Ash.
00:18:22.100Desperately trying to protect Ash from having to face the public.
00:18:26.180This is the trans woman this string is about.
00:18:28.480That guy looks like he could be the ref.
00:22:15.520I don't want to pray, but I don't want to sort of ask you to a little bit on that, but at the same time, it would be a room for most of me to sort of not mention the area of the activity.
00:22:51.800As I say, whilst I don't want to pray, as to the reasons that you're praying for your son, if obviously it is perhaps better to the area that you are in, and like I said, the PSPO and the legislation around that.
00:23:07.100Well, I'm praying for my son who's deceased.
00:23:25.040I'm saying that we are in the belief, therefore, that you are in breach of the cause for what it says about prayer and also acts of disapproval around the activities that's created.
00:24:45.540He was just praying outside an abortion facility.
00:24:49.300And, yeah, as you said, he did actually go to the trouble of recording the interaction.
00:24:54.980And I think we'll probably get into why he may have felt like he should be doing that as we continue to speak.
00:25:00.740But this man was praying by his own admission, as if you need to admit to praying.
00:25:05.720He was praying outside the abortion facility.
00:25:08.020And the thoughts in his mind, which he wasn't allowed to have, were for his son, Jacob, who he regrets paying to have aborted some years ago.
00:25:17.960So, as we saw in the video, like the police lady, like she asks him, what were you praying for?
00:25:24.840And then he said, well, I'm praying for my deceased son.
00:25:27.140And she immediately says, oh, I don't want to pry.
00:25:46.900It's the Public Spaces Protection Order, where you're not allowed to think disapproving thoughts about abortion in the vicinity of an abortion clinic.
00:26:19.080Maybe they're so brazen they wouldn't.
00:26:20.440But, you know, it's proof of what happened.
00:26:23.380And we're talking about it in the court of public opinion, not just the court of law.
00:26:26.380But I think, and I'd like your view on this, Fatima, I think that if it weren't a man named Adam Smith-Connor, who is probably Christian, I think if it were a Sikh person or a Muslim person or maybe even a Jew, I think the police would not have been so brazen.
00:26:48.880Tell me your feelings and your beliefs.
00:26:50.720I think that the brazenness of the cop involved here was because it was a white Christian male, just in terms of the pecking order of political correctness.
00:27:05.400Or if there were a Muslim outside an abortion clinic having a silent prayer, do you think the police would have accosted him as well?
00:27:12.420I do think that in certain instances in the UK and Ireland, there is a perception that certain holders of certain ideologies may be treated slightly differently to Christians.
00:27:27.780I think especially, you know, I'm chronically online because of my job and I see things, I see criticisms being hurled at Christians, Catholics constantly that, you know, the same person would not say that I don't think about somebody from a different faith.
00:27:43.860I think it's almost in a way, and I can only really speak about Ireland because, like, this is where I live, this is where I'm from, but it seems that a lot of people are okay with bashing Christians.
00:27:55.480I have to say, like, you mentioned that this man is a white male.
00:27:59.720A lady called Elizabeth von Spruce was also arrested in similar circumstances in February of this year.
00:28:07.720I'm not sure if you'd heard of her, but this lady was also just praying silently outside an abortion facility.
00:28:15.240Same story, really, like, police came up to her, what are you thinking?
00:28:18.920You're not allowed to think that you're under arrest.
00:28:21.640And then I think it was just after that, there was another person, and this man is called Father Sean Goff.
00:28:28.480I think I'm pronouncing his name right, I may not be, G-O-G-H, but he was arrested for, you know, praying outside a closed abortion facility.
00:28:37.380He had a sign that said praying for freedom of speech, and he was arrested, I think, if I'm not mistaken, for intimidating service users.
00:28:46.380So I don't know, how can you intimidate service users when the facility is not in operation?
00:28:51.600Like, that's a, you know, it's a weird question.
00:28:53.500And he was also further charged for having an unborn lives matter bumper sticker on his car, a bumper sticker.
00:29:03.660You know, it truly is the definition of a thought crime.
00:29:07.420If these people are standing silently, and you have to go up to them and ask them, what are you thinking?
00:29:12.600And their freedom turns on that, you know, it's quite something that they just don't lie.
00:29:18.940But, of course, if you're the person who's standing on principle, one of your principles is probably to not lie.
00:29:25.700And, in fact, telling the truth here, if it causes an arrest and a prosecution, maybe forcing the crisis to happen will result in more eyes being put on the crisis,
00:29:36.840and perhaps this abuse of policing being amended.
00:29:42.120So hopefully something will come of that.
00:29:44.120Now, I know that the man in question has received legal counsel from a freedom-oriented NGO.
00:29:51.100I'm reading in your article that Alliance Defending Freedom, ADF, has provided a lawyer, UK legal counsel, Jeremiah Igunobole, if I'm pronouncing the name right.
00:30:04.180Sometimes folks like this go in unrepresented, and they're just chewed up by the legal system.
00:30:10.240So hopefully having a publicity-oriented NGO and a lawyer behind him will make the difference,
00:30:16.820because I'm sure this guy would be ground up if he went in without help.
00:30:21.260So the ADF, the Alliance Defending Freedom, they have also represented the previous two people I mentioned.
00:30:29.740And the Crown Prosecution Services dropped the cases against Isabel von Spruce and Father Sean Goff.
00:30:36.300I would go ahead and assume that the ADF's help was instrumental there.
00:30:41.460But it's just, it's a scary thing, isn't it?
00:30:46.060Like, you were saying how these people are, they're telling the truth.
00:30:50.000They're, you know, the police are coming up to them, like, you know yourself, like, it's not nice to have police officers kind of march up to you and be like, what are you doing?
00:31:19.380Not just that, but it's a warning to others.
00:31:22.260Don't you dare try this, or you'll be put through this humiliation, this interrogation, this spurious legal process, even if at the end of the day, they're acquitted.
00:31:47.440Why don't you give our viewers, you're the second reporter we've spoken to from GRIPT, and I, or that we've met through GRIPT.
00:31:53.900I'm a big fan, even though I'm over here in North America.
00:31:57.220Why don't you tell our viewers, just in a minute, a little bit about your news organization, because it looks small and scrappy and conservative and independent.
00:32:20.180I'm a qualified journalist myself, but I was off doing other things.
00:32:23.820So Ireland is a very small country, as you might know.
00:32:26.580Our media is a very, very small pond with very big fish who, in general terms, all agree with each other.
00:32:32.860So I don't need to tell you how unhealthy that is for a democratic society.
00:32:37.860So in the midst of all that, a bunch of, if I can say, little brave people who care about the country decided to form GRIPT, essentially, from nothing.
00:32:48.100And, you know, we're doing quite well, because I think at this point in time, after all the kind of initial hard work, I think now that people are recognizing, like, hey, there's this media organization here, and they're not saying what the other guys are saying, but they're tiny.
00:33:04.940You know, I think that we are gaining traction, and, like, if anyone does want to follow us, we'd be super grateful.
00:33:11.840Well, we'll put your website up on the screen and on the website.
00:33:14.480Last question, I was following the attempts to bring in an extreme censorship law in Ireland that, I mean, I know some Irish poets and some Irish writers, and I just would have to think that if they were alive today, they would rage against the thought that the government would censor offensive material and really in an astonishing, far-reaching way.
00:33:44.180I know there have been some brave politicians speaking out against it and members of the public, and I know that, according to public response, the public doesn't want this, but that's sort of the whole point about censorship is it doesn't allow people to choose.
00:33:58.480How is the censorship battle in Ireland going?
00:34:03.400Well, I mean, I don't want to speak too soon, but I think there are some signs for optimism, some causes for optimism, rather.
00:34:11.260So the Minister for Justice, Helen McEntee, who is at the moment kind of behind this and spearheading this, she wanted it to be pushed forward and essentially signed off on before the Dahl recess, before our, like, government goes on summer holiday.
00:34:42.140I've spoken to a couple of senators about it myself, and they've told me that they are receiving, like, a deluge of emails with, like, names, addresses, like, detailed complaints.
00:34:51.240And my own colleague, Ben Scallon, went through 3,000, over 3,000 submissions to the government about this during the public consultation process.
00:35:02.480He went through every single one of them by himself, and he was able to see that 73% of them were negative.
00:35:08.780Yeah, I saw that, and he put a question to the minister, and she refused to acknowledge that.
00:35:27.460We don't have the resources at Rebel News to cover it ourselves, but some of the same thematic issues are at play in many of the Western democracies,
00:35:35.960whether it is 15-minute cities, censorship, thought crimes, you know, global governance as opposed to national sovereignty.
00:35:45.240There's so many issues that are the same, whether it's Ireland, the U.K., Australia, or, frankly, even Hungary, where I was recently.
00:35:52.580Great to meet you, and keep up the fight and keep up the independent journalism.