EZRA LEVANT ｜ The chief justice heard our case against David Lametti deleting his government X account
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Rebel News lawyer Chad Williamson talks about the Supreme Court of Canada hearing in the case against David Lamedi, the former justice minister who is trying to get us to destroy all of our government records. He also talks about why he thinks it's a good idea to have a court-appointed lawyer representing us.
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Hello, my friends. Today, I'm in Calgary, just finished a four-hour hearing in the case of
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Rebel News versus David Lamedi. We're trying to stop him from destroying government records,
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so we're going to have a debrief with the lawyer, Chad Williamson, one of two lawyers Rebel News
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had. That's a head, but first let me invite you to become a subscriber to Rebel News Plus. That's
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and it shows, so we rely on you. All right, here's today's podcast.
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Tonight, we battle David Lamedi in court for four hours. We'll have the debrief with our lawyer,
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Chad Williamson. It's February 13th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
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Well, I am sitting in the office of the lawyer, Chad Williamson. We had another lawyer on the file
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too. Scott Nichol was his name, and literally minutes ago, we ended the four-hour legal battle
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in the federal court of Canada. As you may know, we are suing David Lamedi, the former and disgraced
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justice minister under Justin Trudeau, the one who invoked the Emergencies Act illegally,
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unconstitutionally, and shortly after it was ruled to be unconstitutional and illegal,
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he quit parliament in a huff, and he decamped for a private law firm. But on his way out the door,
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he tried to delete his Twitter account. But when he's the government minister, and he's got that
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little gray checkmark, that is not his account. That is the government's account, the public account,
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the government account, and that is actually against various laws, including laws touching on the
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library and archives of this Canada. Well, we went to court right away. We hired Chad and Scott,
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and they worked all weekend, and we had an emergency application to get a judge to put it
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back up. Lamedi bent the knee, and he put it back up and said, oh, you caught me. You caught me with
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the hand in the cookie jar, but you know, I put it back up. Can I please slink away now? And we said
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no. And today is actually the third hearing in two weeks. And here to talk about it is one of the two
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lawyers representing Rebel News. Chad, how are you doing? I'm doing okay, Ezra. It's been a grueling
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two weeks, and a pretty crazy day in court today, hearing a cauldron of peculiarities. I think I
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called it on the record coming from respondents' counsel. I think there's four government lawyers
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there arguing that Lamedi, whoa, he's a private citizen, that it's not a government account, and
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that the Attorney General has no control over the people that control the account, and you know,
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that reactivating his Twitter account, well, that's not an admission that he did anything wrong,
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of course, and then also saying, well, you know, we don't want to consent to an order
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from the court that we not destroy any government records. We'll just give you a lawyer, a lawyer,
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a little undertaking, a little promise to do that. And it was a long day. We appeared before
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the Chief Justice Crampton himself, who's a noted and esteemed justice, has been in his position
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for at least a decade. Very smart guy. Long, excruciating submissions to date. Scott made most
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of them for us, and I thought that they were very, very precise, concise, but they're also lengthy
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because there are so many different issues. We've got the Access to Information Act, Ezra. We got
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the Library and Archives Canada Act. We've got charter submissions concerning rebels, freedom of the
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press, and freedom of expression as well. And it's so difficult to touch on all that stuff when
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you only have about an hour to do so. So Scott did a great job. I kind of jumped in where I could.
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Then the respondents got to go, and it was just, it was bizarre. It was quite bizarre.
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You know, here's the two things that struck me the most. We've had a couple hearings on this
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matter already before a different judge, and they were about an hour. They were less than an hour.
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So surprise number one, it's the chief judge himself, the big boss, the absolute big boss himself,
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which I thought about, and I thought, that makes sense, because if you're suing the justice minister,
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if you're alleging that the former attorney general, lawyer, law professor, and the top
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lawyer in the country broke the law, you need a very senior judge with a lot of gravity to make
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that. You don't want a judge who's just appointed. And if you're going to weigh for or against him,
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you need a serious, sober-minded judge, a smart judge, also a judge who can weigh. How's this going
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to look in terms of the rule of law? Do we let a judge, a former justice minister, off the hook
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because he's politically connected? Or are we actually going to rule against him? If you take on
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a justice minister, you better have a weighty guy to do it. So I thought, you know, there's a lot of
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politics in this case, and they put the big boss on it. I don't know exactly what to make of it,
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other than they realize this is a big case. I wasn't expecting that, to be honest with you.
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Oh, no. Me neither. We see in a litany of previous litigation going back four years that have had to
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do with civil rights. We've seen relatively, maybe not junior, but relatively unknown judges presiding
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over fairly wide-reaching and monumental cases. So again, I was shocked. It's starting to make a
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little bit more sense upon further reflection. That's why I think these debriefs are so important.
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I think the second thing that struck me, and we've already alluded to it,
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is the first two hearings were less than an hour. This was supposed to be about an hour.
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In fact, when some of the lawyers, oh, about half an hour, Your Honor, will only be about half an hour.
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Well, it turned into four hours, and it was a little long. I mean, I got ants to my pants,
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so I can't sit for four hours. But the judge did, and he asked a lot of questions. So you got a
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combination of the most senior judge in the entire federal court, literally the chief justice of
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the federal court, plus four hours. This is going to be a rigorous decision. And I thought it was
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going pretty well for us. In the end, though, it almost felt like he was going to let Lamedi get away
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with, like you say, oh, a pinky swear. I swear I won't do anything again, which is much different
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than a court order. A court order comes with a certain, not just a majesty, but if you mess around
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the court order, you could be in contempt of court. Whereas an undertaking, a pinky swear,
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doesn't really cut a lot of ice, given that this same justice finished the one who broke the law
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I think what's important to remember when we look at this case is this all started because Lamedi,
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or somebody acting on his behalf, deleted his Twitter account or deactivated it. There's evidence
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before the court that if it's deactivated for 30 days, they start trashing the data and it's gone.
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We call it the pipeline of destruction. You made a great comment online that if this was a drinking
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game where if every time Scott said the pipeline of destruction, well, we'd all be having a lot of
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fun towards the end of that because of how much we're trying to impress upon the court. But David Lamedi
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basically put his Twitter account in the bin and the garbage man was on the way to come and pick up
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And they argued, oh, well, don't you worry. You don't need a court order now because it's against
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the law to delete it. Well, yeah, that's the whole point. That's the whole reason we're here is because
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David Lamedi already broke the law. And you're saying, oh, you don't, you know, fine, you caught us.
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We just pinky swear we won't do it again. But then later on, one of his lawyers who, I'll use his
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pronouns, Mr. Grossman, he, him, he, uh, he argued, well, once we've preserved the records
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of the Library and Archives Canada, Mr. Lamedi can delete it all he likes because he's a private
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person. He's not bound by the government anymore. So he basically said, ha ha, we are going to delete
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it. Now he later sort of backed away from that, but I couldn't believe they, they said some things
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that I found astonishing. They said he's not a government actor. So he's not bound by government
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laws. And, and Scott Nichol, your colleague said, well, does that mean someone can be a private
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person, come into public life, do a lot of public decisions, and then just snap his fingers and quit
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and say, I'm a private person. You can't come at me anymore. I can do what I like. There was,
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there were, and there were a lot of points I saw the judge really engrossed with, but I, you know,
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and I don't know how it's going to go. And you don't want to read too much in a judge's expression or,
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or even his questions, but it really is on a knife's edge, I feel. Yeah. And I do too. I, I always try to
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get the pulse of the justice as we're going through the case. And, uh, at the start, I really thought
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that we swung the needle in our favor. Uh, I thought it was going quite well as is often the
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case when we're against a bunch of government lawyers, uh, especially when we think that we've
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got a really strong case. I usually find that their submissions also help tip the scales in our
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favor because usually they're rambling, they're contradictory. Um, you know, they try to kind of
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reframe our argument for us in a way that is maybe, uh, sometimes disingenuous. So I really felt
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that it was swinging our way. Um, but just towards the end, uh, I just started getting the feeling
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that, Hey, wait a second. I think that, um, the justice realizes obviously that this is a very,
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very important decision. Uh, there is a ton of materials that have been put before the court.
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He's going to have to go and review them because we've got, uh, these, this network and matrix of,
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uh, kind of conflicting, um, acts of, uh, of parliament that also have some obligations that
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are kind of intertwined. We've got charter submissions. Um, you know, we've got obviously
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a whole bunch of evidence that, you know, there probably is going to be destruction if he goes and
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does it again, but I heard arguments in there. And again, it's, it's like you're on the battlefield,
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right? You don't know if, if that bullet whizzed why at one o'clock or at three o'clock, or maybe if
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it was friendly fire, but I could have sworn, I heard, uh, respondents counsel, uh, for, for Lamedi
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say, well, you know, there's no obligation for him to keep his Twitter account now that he is, uh,
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he's a private citizen. So in one breath, he's kind of saying, well, you know, he shouldn't have to
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keep his Twitter account. He's not, uh, you know, he's not, he's a, he's a private citizen. Now there
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shouldn't be any court order requiring him to keep his Twitter account. But then by the end of
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the day saying, well, Hey, we'll totally keep his Twitter account up by way of undertaking. So
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it was, it was, it was back and forth all day. Uh, it was really hard to kind of wake up from all
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this and go, well, what the heck happened in that four and a half hours? But I saw there's so much
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contradictory arguments coming from the respondents, people saying, oh, he's not a government guy. And
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all the government has no control over these, uh, these Twitter accounts. Very, very, very, very
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strange day. Whereas I think that, uh, the arguments from Scott and the arguments from
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rebel and from yourself as an applicant, I actually thought that they were very dialed,
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very consistent. Um, and who knows, maybe that's going to be enough to, uh, to win the day.
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Well, we'll probably find out within a couple of days. He really sounded like he wanted to get it
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out quickly. I wouldn't be surprised if he releases it even this week, which is not normal. I mean,
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this is an emergency injunction. We're seeking the preservation of the Twitter accounts. Let's
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see, delete them again. I want to mention one more thing. Uh, we got the court to allow a public
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zoom link. Uh, I mean, in Canada courts are public, but the idea of having cameras in a court is a
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fairly novel one. Um, the COVID-19 scare really forced that into happening. So what was exciting
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is that we emailed out our rebel news viewers, the link to, uh, log in and throughout the hearing,
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like for four solid hours, there was between 400 and 500 people at any one time, you know,
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people were coming and going, but I would imagine cumulatively over the course of the four hours,
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a few thousand people watched, which is impressive to me because I mean, there were some technical
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legal arguments and lawyers are not the most scintillating people around judges. I don't know
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how they keep their attention span. I mean, I, I grayed out a few times. I will admit, although I was
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tweeting the whole time, if people want to see, um, we've got that website, stop the coverup.com
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because that's really what it is. Why on earth would he delete his Twitter account? And our lawyers
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again and again said, we're not asking for anything. We're not asking for any money.
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Obviously we're not asking for let me to actually positively do anything. It's not mandating him to
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do something. It's prohibiting from doing one thing. Don't delete it. Like just, Hey, just don't
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delete it. Okay. No, no, no, no, no. We don't want a court order saying don't delete it. We'll give
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you a pinky swear. And it, and it has also to wiggle room. It's so weird how hard they're fighting
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this. One thing that I would say, and, and this is not necessarily to look at this, you know,
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whole thing with a rosy hue and that, well, you know, even if we don't get the injunction, well,
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you know, we won anyway, but I really want to impress upon everybody that this started as a government
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minister and government MP leaving office and deleting his Twitter account. In the span of two
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weeks, we've gone from basically the destruction of what we consider to be government records to
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Twitter's backup online. And from my understanding, he's tweeting again. So he's using the account.
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Moreover, we've gotten them from going, well, you know, uh, he, you know, he shouldn't have to use the
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government account whatsoever to saying, Hey, well, what can we promise to do that will satisfy
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the court that we're not going to delete the records? And that's from absolutely nothing. If,
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if rebel did not bring this lawsuit, the 30 days would be gone. The information would be toast. So
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whether we get the injunction or not, we've moved the needle from deleted records to basically
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lament his lawyers going, well, what can we do to, you know, try to make sure that, uh, you know,
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the court doesn't come down on us too hard for what we did, uh, you know, in the past. So I,
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I think there is a real victory here. Uh, if we get the injunction, that'll be real sweet.
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Uh, but I think we've already made headway. The Twitter accounts back up, people can access it.
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And now we've got, uh, Lamedi's lawyers basically saying, Hey, well, we'll make promises to preserve
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these records. I think what's most interesting is the private so-called direct messages on Twitter.
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For those who don't know, you can have public tweets. If you're basically like a town crier,
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here, here, here, here's what I got to say. You want to tell the whole world,
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but you can make private direct messages to other Twitter followers that the world doesn't see.
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So it's like having a contact book. It's like Facebook. You can send a private message to,
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to your friends on Facebook, um, that the, that the world doesn't see. And that's, I think why,
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what he's afraid of, because we saw during the public order inquiry into the invocation of martial law,
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that Lamedi, uh, floated the idea of deploying tanks. Now, whether it was a joke, ha ha, that's a joke
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or not, I don't know, but we caught him saying it and it wasn't in a formal means of communication.
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It was a text message. So what direct messages did he make on Twitter? Because Twitter is even
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better than a text message because, um, it's instantly contacting all of your followers. So a lot
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of pretty much everyone important in the country would follow David Lamedi, any cop, any, a lot of
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judges, any politician. And like so many people, of course, they want to quote, follow the justice
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minister. So he doesn't even have to know your phone number. He doesn't have to know your email
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address. If you are a follower, he can send you a message. I am certain in my bones that he has
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direct messages that touch on his conduct as a minister. And what I'm afraid of, and what I think
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he's afraid of, which is why he's fighting so hard, is he doesn't want litigants or the world to see
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any more of these send in a tank moments, especially now that his martial law was declared illegal and
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people are going to start suing. And imagine if Lamedi has some private statements like, oh, get them
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all, or I don't care, you know, kill them all, let God sort them out. Or like, that's a key. That's a
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ridiculous example. He wouldn't say that, but some extreme thing that he would say, thinking no one
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would see it because he was just going to delete his Twitter account. And here we are saying, well,
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slow down a minute, mister. My favorite aspect of litigation and being a lawyer is what's called the
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discovery process. Now it's a little different in federal courts, a little different in this case,
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but one thing that I've seen in acting against the government in cases for over four years
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is every time we start seeing the evidence, I'm a lawyer, I always say, show me the evidence. And
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I'm pretty much unwilling to make any definitive statements until I see the evidence. Most of the
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time when we get the evidence, there's stuff in there, correspondence, buddy, buddy, internal,
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you know, messages that are, that are pretty gross that might should probably- Locker talk.
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Yeah. Totally. Totally. I mean, don't think the cabinet minister is going to walk a talk. I mean,
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it's stressful being a cabinet minister. You want to blow off steam. You're, it's tribal. You want
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to beat your chest a bit. You're frustrated. You're dealing with, like, I, like, I'm not saying I blame
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them, but I'm saying if you are the cabinet minister, if you're the justice minister and you're
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making decisions and you're using public resources and, uh, like a Twitter account, which is owned by the
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government, it's not your own, it would be like someone sending emails from work. You send an email
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from work. It actually belongs to your, to your workplace. It's not private. We, we, we saw, uh,
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an email from Alberta health services during the Chris Scott stuff that they didn't want to provide.
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We, we didn't uncover this until cross-examination at trial. And the email said, don't let them know
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that this is political. When they were trying to obviously shut down these events for what they
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purported to be public health stuff. And then we got the email saying, Hey, we'll just try not to,
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you know, let the air off that this is a, that this is political. And I'm paraphrasing the email.
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Um, but I want to see the emails. I want to see the DMS.
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You know what? I, I fear that he's already deleted them. I think anyone who would take over
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from Jody Wilson-Raybould, Jody Wilson-Raybould, I mean, she was a left-wing liberal. There's no doubt
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about it, but she was ethical enough that when Justin Trudeau said, Hey, can you let some of my buddies
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SNC-Lavalin out of this criminal prosecution? Can you just let them cut a deal? She said,
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yeah, no, that's not how justice works. And so he fired her. He fired her over that. And he
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therefore obviously looked for the most unethical, ethically malleable Gumby that he could twist,
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that he could find. And he found David Lomene. David Lomene was hired specifically because he
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would do whatever Trudeau said. And we saw that when he brought in the Emergencies Act, which the federal
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court said it was illegal, unconstitutional. So he is a lawbreaker, a serial lawbreaker. He broke
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the law in the Emergencies Act. He broke the law by wrongly trying to delete his account. And I'm
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worried this judge is going to let him off with just a slap on the wrist. So just give us a pinky
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swear, Mr. Lomene. And you're a former justice minister. We're all friends here. We're all part
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of the same circle. So a pinky swear is good enough. I'm worried about that. Listen, I'm not,
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I'm not criticizing the judge. I think the judge paid excellent attention, asked good questions.
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I'm just worried the judge is going to rule out of a, he's going to give the benefit of the doubt
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to Lomene. I suppose we're going to see, see what happens. We've seen these cases go both way.
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One, one of the, one of the lessons that I learned as a, as a young lawyer is you can go into that
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courtroom a hundred percent wrong and come out right. You can go into that room a hundred percent right
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and still come out wrong. So I guess only time will tell and we'll see how the judge weighs what's
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been put before today. Yeah. Well, Chad is one of our winningest lawyers. That's for sure. He was
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the lawyer. The Rebel News hired in 2021 when Trudeau's hand-picked election debates commission
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tried to kick us out and we won and we got an injunction requiring them to accredit us.
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And of course, a few small fun wins when Stephen Gilbeau and three other cabinet ministers,
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Yara Sachs, Karina Gould and Marcy Ian blocked Rebel News journalists. We went to court and got them
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smacked down with the consent order. So we are holding the liberals to task. Some are bigger than
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others. Some of those wins are more important than others, but they all have one thing in common.
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We're alone in the court. Well, there were 500 people watching the whole time,
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but when I say we're alone, I mean, does no one else care about a justice minister illegally deleting
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records? Does no one else care about a government debates commission keeping out enemies of the prime
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minister? Does no one else care about cabinet ministers censoring constituents they don't
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like? I'm sure people do care, but I don't see them in court with us. And it's a strange thing
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for a news company whose motto is telling the other side of the story to spend so much time,
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energy, and frankly, money holding the government to account. Is that our job? Well, fact is it's
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fallen to us. That's why I want to invite you to go to our website, stopthecoverup.com. I want you to
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see what we've got written there, and I want you to consider chipping in. Scott and Chad were brawling
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for four hours, and obviously they prepared for many more hours in advance, and they don't work
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for free. I think they're reasonably priced, frankly, but we have a lot of battery. Very reasonably
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priced. It's true. It's true, and I won't say what your fee is. It's quite modest, but it does add up
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when you work 200 hours, 300 hours on a file. I'm not sure what the exact number is on this.
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It adds up. And over the next week, you will see us take on very interesting litigation,
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and it costs money. And part of me wishes there were others in the field of play, that others
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were fighting for freedom in the press. I don't see a lot of people fighting for freedom in the press
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now. And if it falls to us, well, then so be it, because we've got a secret weapon that David
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Lamenti doesn't have, and that secret weapon is you. That's our show for today. It's a little
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bit truncated. I'm in Calgary. I was in Edmonton last night for the airing of our documentary
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Raid. It's about the Montreal police's war on citizen journalism. We're in Calgary. We're
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going to have that show tonight, so I'll see you there if you're in Calgary. I'll be back
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out east tomorrow and then flying around making trouble here and there. On behalf of all of
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us here at the Western Outpost, you at home, wherever you are. Until next time, good night
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Texas, Eagle Pass, known to be a hotspot where illegal migrants were crossing from Mexico to the USA.
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Last month, up to 4,000 a day were entering. A group of Venezuelan migrants in the river for three
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hours trying to find an open spot. Border Patrol officials saying a group of six migrants was
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attempting to cross the river when the drownings happened. Shelby Park, where I'm standing right
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now in Eagle Pass, has had thousands of illegal immigrants who crossed over to claim refugee
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status. Governor Greg Abbott has taken further steps to secure the border by launching Operation
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Lone Star in 2021. Operation Lone Star was launched for the purpose of filling the gaps that are left open
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as Border Patrol officers are busy, occupied with detaining the large number of people who are coming
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across the border. And installing razor wire along the border to combat what he calls Biden lawless policies.
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Joe Biden and his abject refusal to enforce the immigration laws of the United States of America.
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If you want to know more, visit texasborderreports.com to watch our exclusive reports.
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Here in Shelby Park, everything seems secure, but the border is long and difficult to seal completely.
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I'm going to show you how easy it is for migrants to cross over and immigrate illegally here in the USA.
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We met with a retired Border Patrol agent named Louis and his nephew, Ethan, who agreed to show us a popular spot
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for people to enter into Eagle Pass, Texas, illegally from Mexico. This was just miles down the road from Shelby Park.
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So at one time, this is, I don't know, while you guys have researched all this stuff, we had Title 42.
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It was a COVID measure so that when people came across, we just kicked it back to Mexico.
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So Title 42, when they did away with it, the hordes of people came across.
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Every morning, 700 would walk up this road, 700 aliens early morning, every morning.
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I worked with the Border Patrol for 25 years and investigations another 10 after that. So I had 35 years,
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all here in Eagle Pass area. Everything was under control to a sense. Apprehensions went up one year
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and we'd catch them. Amnesty apprehensions went up. You know, we were encountering a lot of people.
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Drug traffic could go back up, but we were always out here chasing people and people were running.
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It's sorry to say, ever since Biden showed up, no one's running anymore.
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Louis first took us to a hill overlooking the Rio Grande River, which divide Mexico and Texas.
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Within minutes, we spotted a group of migrants crossing illegally by boat.
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We recorded the crossing and then we headed down towards the river to see if we could meet them
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There was a lot of delinquency, and there was a mafia where we were, and then they were extorsionated to all.
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I had to ask him to come here because I didn't know him.
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So, and are you 50 pesos more for the ranch to cross?
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But a Mexican is going to throw you back to Mexico.
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If these guys are turning themselves in, a Mexican is going to get sent back.
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We have at this moment a kid of 10 years old whose name is Jorgez who is traveling alone.
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He, it's really, really weird because now we have these men.
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We had a small family of people, and she's from Honduras,
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They were from Ecuador, the family that we just saw.
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We came from Honduras because there's no security.
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But my gender, I can't be in Honduras and in Mepina.
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With the people he had come, they crossed and left him.
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We're not from the same community or the same place.
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I'm from a village and he lives in the village.
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And there was people who died there on the street?
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They just crossed, we saw him crossing from up on top,
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picked him up, I was going to take him up to the highway
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We just encountered a group and what did they want?
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They wanted to come across and call border patrol and border patrol came
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They just come across with little babies and all that kind of stuff.
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And border patrol's job is just to gather them.
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They gather them, load them up in their vehicles, take them to their processing centers and
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We just encountered a group and what did they want?
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They wanted to come across and call border patrol and border patrol came down and picked
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They just come across with little babies and all that kind of stuff.
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And border patrol's job is just to gather them.
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They gather them, load them up in their vehicles, take them to their processing centers and release
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I'm sure there's guys that have decided to come out here and just cross people on a regular
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But there is also a bunch of fishermen down here that come down here to fish.
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They're out here fishing with a boat and a group of aliens come up.
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They'll take advantage of that situation and they'll charge them, you know, whatever,
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You know, 50 pesos, they'll put down their fishing pole and bring them across.
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I mean there's two different ways of looking at it.
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He took control of a little bit of a river and they put up, you know, they put up their
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It's obvious to me that the word got out because they're not coming here anymore.
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The last three days I haven't seen anybody cross until this group.
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I know of people that are trying to immigrate the right way and their spouses are in Mexico
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waiting for their hearing date and there ain't no hearing date coming anytime soon.
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You know, the courts are so backed up that the people that are doing it the right way can't do it.
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And it's hard to be angry at people when you see so much glee and happiness because, you know, they see it tomorrow.
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The cost of living is hard enough for everyday people in North America.
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How are these people are going to survive when American and Canadian citizens are already struggling?
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What do the next 10 years look like if we continue down this path?
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I suggest you to go over TexasBorderReports.com.
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We will be publishing that entire interview with Lewis on that website.
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