EZRA LEVANT ｜ The consequences of cancel culture： A conversation with Christine Anderson
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Christine Anderson is back in Canada, and she's here to tell us about her controversial trip to Canada and why she was not kept out of the country. She also tells us why Justin Trudeau didn't want her to come.
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Hello, my Rebels. Very special interview with Christine Anderson. You might remember that name.
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She's the German member of the European Parliament who visited Canada to meet with some conservative
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MPs and was condemned. She was condemned as vile and not welcome in Canada by Pierre Polyev's
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office. Of course, the liberal media piled on too. Well, we'll set the record straight. I think you'll
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Tonight, a feature interview with Christine Anderson, the member of the European Parliament
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condemned by Pierre Polyev, as well as Justin Trudeau. This is the Ezra LeVant Show.
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A few months ago, there was a shocking cancel culture moment, an attack on conservative MPs.
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But the attack didn't come just from the left-wing media. It came from the conservative leader's
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office too. Pierre Polyev's staff put out a press release denouncing his own MPs, including
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Leslyn Lewis, for meeting with a scandalous woman from Germany, a member of the European
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Parliament named Christine Anderson. The statement from Polyev's office, which was not signed by
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himself but put out by his office, said that she was vile and that her views had no place
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in Canada, that indeed she herself was not even welcome in this country. It was shocking.
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The language itself closely tracked the cancel culture language, typically used by Justin Trudeau,
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Jagmeet Singh, or the regime media. Leslyn Lewis and the other MPs are obedient, as I suppose you have
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to be when you're in a political team and they quickly disassociated themselves. But who is Christine
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Anderson? What did she do? And why did the conservative party leader, or at least his staff,
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sound like a woke college junior engaging in a tantrum after being triggered? Well, as it so
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happens, Christine Anderson is back in Canada and she'll be with me for the next half hour talking
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about these and other things. Christine Anderson, welcome back to Canada. Thank you for having me
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back. Well, it's a pleasure and I bumped into you at an event and we both remarked that it's
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actually interesting that you were not kept out given the language used. I think most of the
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attacks on you were actually, the sharpest attack was by the conservative party. I think that the
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liberals did chime in. But you are a member of the European Union. You are an elected official from
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Germany. It would actually be a diplomatic incident if you were kept out, wouldn't it be?
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Yeah, I think so. And I think that's why they opted not to actually do keep me out. And truth
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be told, I mean, what do they really bring against me? You know, it's like all kind of slander and
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labeling me with names and, you know, any kind of ism you can think they have in the book. So it's like,
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but that just goes to show how very desperate they are. They have to resort to measures like that,
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you know, just slandering people left and right. I mean, they don't know the first thing about me.
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They don't know what I've done. They don't know where I've been and what I actually fight for and
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stand for. They just see that I'm questioning the politically desired narrative, that I'm calling
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out the globalitarian elites on their despicable agenda they're trying to push on people. And that's
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what they're actually opposed to. So, but they couldn't really very well tell the people, well,
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we don't want her talking because she's telling the truth and she's exposing, is exposing a lot of
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things. So they of course have to slander me. So in the hopes that people will actually fall for it
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and won't even listen to what I have to say since I'm such a vile person. Right. But I guess it didn't
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work. Did it now? Well, and I want to remind our viewers because I've interviewed you a few times
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when you were in either Brussels where the European Parliament is or from Germany. And I just want to
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remind our viewers how we first came to know you. You were standing up for Canadian civil liberties during
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the trucker convoy. Here, let's just play a clip of one of your passionate speeches that got a lot of
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attention over here. And I can understand why Justin Trudeau hates you, but it was more of a surprise
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that Pierre Pauline would condemn. Here, let's take a look. Based on article 195,
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that it would have been more appropriate for Mr. Trudeau, prime minister of Canada,
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to address this house according to article 144, an article which was specifically designed
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to debate violations of human rights, democracy, and the rule of law, which is clearly the case
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with Mr. Trudeau. Then again, a prime minister who openly admires the Chinese basic dictatorship,
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who tramples on fundamental rights by persecuting and criminalizing his own citizens as terrorists,
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just because they dared to stand up to his perverted concept of democracy,
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should not be allowed to speak in this house at all. Mr. Trudeau, you are a disgrace for any
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democracy. Please spare us your presence. Thank you. I thought that was very stirring,
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and so I'm not surprised that you came to Canada and were warmly welcomed by those conservative MPs.
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I know, for example, Leslyn Lewis herself was one of the first conservative MPs to go out and meet with
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the truckers. So I'm sure she found common cause with you. I know Leslyn Lewis a little bit,
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and I know she's obviously not a racist. She's a woman of color herself. I know she's very
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thoughtful and nuanced. The idea that she would be hosting a meeting with a hater or a bigot is
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unthinkable. Tell me, how did you come to go to that meeting with Leslyn Lewis and the other
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conservative MPs? Did they reach out to you? Did you reach out to them? I mean, it's common for different
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elected officials to mix and mingle, either at formal events or through parliamentary
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associations or exchanges. How did you come to that meeting in Ottawa? Well, the tour in Canada
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was planned for me, and the staff that was taking care of this, dealing with all of this,
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they actually set up that meeting. And I was thrilled to meet fellow parliamentarians
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of Canada. And I would love to say we had an extremely lovely time, you know, talking about all kinds of
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things. And at no point was any of the three MPs, you know, disgusted at what I said. On the contrary,
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you know, we were actually agreeing on a lot of things. And yeah, so I was a little surprised then
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the next day, you know, that statement was put out. But I'm kind of used to that by now. I mean,
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in Germany, it's probably worse than here in Canada, especially being a member of the party that I'm a
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member of the AFD. So I didn't pay too much mind, you know, it was like, yeah, well, here we go again.
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And yeah, but like I said, it just goes to show how desperate they are, you know, they desperately
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need to shut me down or shut my party down. Because we are, yeah, we are, we are exposing them.
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You know, we'll talk in a minute more about the party, the AFD, which stands for alternative for
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Deutschland or alternative for Germany. I want to talk about you in particular, because I think what
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happened is there's a liberal war room dirty trickster named Warren Kinsella, who wrote a
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series of factual stretches or half truths about the AFD, he couldn't find a single thing that you had
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allegedly said or done. So he, he was such a reach, it was actually really embarrassing that the Toronto
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Sun newspaper published it. And, and then that was jumped like it was, it was a lie planted by a
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liberal party operative that was then picked up by the conservative party and used against
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conservative MPs. It was so embarrassing, the amateur hour in the conservatives. But here's one thing that
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I've mentioned to our viewers, and I'd like you to confirm it. Here in Canada, Justin Trudeau and his
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staff sometimes calls his political enemies Nazis. I mean, I'm Jewish myself, but Gerald Butts,
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Justin Trudeau's senior advisor, called me a Nazi, which is a disgrace that he would say so. It's a form
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of anti-Semitism actually, I think, to call a Jew a Nazi. But it's used as a weapon. It's used as an insult.
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In Germany itself, and correct me if I'm wrong, because I, I've done some research, but you would know,
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being a Nazi, supporting Nazism, flying the swastika, promoting the Nazi philosophy, it's actually
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a crime. Yes, it is. Is that correct? Yes, it is. So, and my point for mentioning that is,
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the one thing we know about you is that you could not be a Nazi. Exactly. You could be a hundred other
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things. Exactly. But you couldn't be a Nazi because a Nazi couldn't be elected. Nazi would be in jail in
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Germany. Right. Right. It's also, I mean, to trivialize the Holocaust, you know, or call it
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question or question anything pertaining to the Holocaust or, you know, denying it or whatever.
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That is actually, yes, it is punishable by law. It is a crime. And flying the swastika, as you said,
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you know, that's an absolute no go. So in fact, but they're still labeling people as Nazis, you know,
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and that is very, very sharp sword, if you want, if you will. So they're using it as a weapon,
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as you say. The thing is just this, if I'm being labeled a Nazi, you know, and let's say young people
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look at me, you know, not knowing anything about me. And they go, okay, she is a Nazi. Well,
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if she is a Nazi, to what conclusion, what conclusion will they have to arrive at? That if that is a Nazi,
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well, maybe they weren't all that bad after all. That is what the trivialization of Nazi Germany and
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Nazis is all about. Yeah. And Trudeau would say a lot. And yeah, if you label people left and right
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as Nazis, that's how you trivialize the horrific and despicable atrocities, the true Nazis inflicted
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upon people. I think that's a tactic by the Trudeaus of this world to call everyone a Nazi. And it,
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and it diminishes the Nazi. It's like, it's like a knife that's overused to become dull.
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It's like the left, they have been very successful. And I mean, Nazis, it's abbreviation for national
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socialists. Yeah. Yeah. We're speaking about socialists here, but they've been very successful
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in reframing national socialism into right-wing extremists. Isn't that a great point? Exactly.
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So, I mean, but you can, you can look whether it was Nazi Germany, whether it was communism,
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Soviet Union, China, these are all totalitarian regimes, point blank. And that's the thing, you know,
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but like I said, um, and what is really disturbing is, um, a lot of people nowadays, they think,
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or they scream loudest never again. And, you know, fight the beginnings and all of this, they wouldn't
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recognize the beginnings of it jumped up and bit them in their faces. They have no clue. So if you do not
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look at how was it possible, what steps were taken, how was it implemented, how will you be able to
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fight it off when it happens again? So, but even doing that, you know, if I were to point out, well,
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that's how it started back then, you know, I'm being accused of trivializing the Holocaust.
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You know, there were a lot of things during the lockdowns and the pandemics that were authoritarian,
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the division of people, the putting people into a kind of ghetto if they were unvaccinated,
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demonizing minorities. Exactly. Scapegoating them, whatever. Using medical doctors to,
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to push politics. A lot of these things were actually the tools the Nazis used. And to even
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mention that was to, they would call you anti-Semitic if you pointed out, well, the Nuremberg
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trials, the Nazi doctor trials were about never imposing medicine on people without their informed
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consent. So it's quite funny that the people who throw the word Nazi around were actually turning
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a blind eye to Nazi style tactics that were used during the lockdowns. Exactly. And the thing is just
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this, I mean, Nazi Germany did not start out by rounding up people and transporting them off to
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camps. That was the end game, the end play. It started with little incremental steps. So first,
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Jews were not allowed to sit on certain benches anymore. Well, what's the big deal? They can sit
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on other benches, right? You know, this rationalizing of these steps, then they weren't allowed to own pets
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anymore. Well, you don't need a pet to, you know, to get along. What's the big deal? So this is what we have
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been seeing in the last three years. People kept rationalizing these utterly ridiculous measures and
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infringements on fundamental rights. You know, well, it's not all that bad, right? Yeah, we can do this
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for four, it's only for four weeks, only for two months, whatever. This constant rationalizing, you know,
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but it's little steps, one at a time. You get people used to a certain situation and then, you know, you
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proceed and you proceed. And before you know it, yeah, guess what? You find yourself in a fully
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blown totalitarian regime. And you might not have even noticed because people go along. That's,
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uh, yeah, that, that's how it comes about. That's how it works. And if you don't have your guards up,
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and if you don't do, don't recognize those mechanisms and those signs, then you have no defense
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against it. You know, a lot of the attacks against you were actually attacks against AFD or Alternative
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for Deutschland, your party. Um, I've been in Germany and I met some AFD people. The party's been around
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for about a decade or a little bit more, I think. Ten years this year. And, um, they gave about 10%
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of the, the German parliament, if I'm not mistaken. So that's proportionately more than our NDP party or our
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block cable. Those are just parties our viewers would know. So you're not the dominant party,
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but you're a, you would be a bigger player in the coalitions there than the NDP is here.
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You have about 300 officials and various, you know, local or state. So, you know, 300 elected
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officials, 10% of the parliament. It's not a, it's not a dominant party, but it's, it's a fairly
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substantial party that's been around. Yes. Yes. I don't think Canadians, or at least, I mean,
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I don't think Canadians know anything about the AFD, but the critics who were smearing it as some
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extremist crazy thing, I think they just simply don't know. Uh, well, it's actually kind of
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interesting. So my party really started out, founded in 2013, uh, Euro critics and EU critics,
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you know, that got us labeled as enemies of Europe. Yeah. We're not enemies of Europe. I love Europe. My
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party loves Europe. The EU is the enemy of Europe because they level it all. They want us all to be,
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look at a lot of people that actually envy us, you know, to be Europeans. We live on this rather small
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continent with so many languages, so many cultures and it's a rich history, you know, in each and every
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country in Europe. And, uh, what they're doing, they want us to be all the same somehow, you know,
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get rid of our national identity, of our cultural identity, uh, for the greater good, of course,
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you know, which is this, the Europe they dream of. But, um, the EU, it is not an EU for the people by the
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people. It is actually a Europe for the globalitarian elites by the globalitarian elites. That, that's the
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thing. So, um, And I think, you know, it's funny, I was trying to think of a Canadian analogy to your
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party. The People's Party of Canada is sort of there, although they don't have any seats. So the
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critics of open borders immigration, they're critics of the world economic form and globalism.
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Exactly. They're a kind of people's party. And I think that when I was looking at the
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criticisms of the AFG that were thrown against you, I think that was it. They were upset that
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you weren't in favor of mass immigration and that you were upset against, you were upset that you were
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strong for the separation of mosque and state. I think a lot of people support those views here
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in Canada too, even if our political class, maybe that's the thing. People in Germany, there is a party
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that has 10% of the seats that says those things in Canada. None of the main parties even talk about
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open borders immigration or the separation of mosque and state. They just don't talk about it.
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I know. But you know what, looking at all these things, there is a common denominator in all the
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countries where parties like my party or the CCP is coming about. The common denominator is we do not
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buy into the narrative. We expose the narrative, we expose the agenda, which their agenda has nothing to
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do with freedom, democracy, and the rule of law. On the contrary, it's about disenfranchising people,
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removing the democratic process further and further away from the people. They do not want political
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accountability anymore. That's really pain in the neck to them, you know, because they cannot just do
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whatever the heck they want to do. So if you look at these countries or these parties in these various
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countries, they're all facing the exact same thing. They're being vilified. They're being called Nazis.
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They're being called extremists, transphobes, xenophobes, the whole shebang. And plus you have all this
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framing going on, you know. Up until what, a few years ago, it was absolutely normal that a country
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would protect its national borders. What's the point of a national border is so the people inside
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can live freely and be safe at the same time. But once you tear down these national borders,
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no longer control them and just anyone can walks in, you know, then you will have to erect all kinds of
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borders within that country. What we are seeing in Germany, you know, they're fencing off the Christmas
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markets now because some idiots think they can get on a truck and just, you know, smash up the people
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for no reason whatsoever, you know. So these are things that are happening. And a national border,
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in essence, is nothing more than your locked door at your home. You wouldn't leave it unlocked and let
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anyone walk in, right? Yeah. Why should it be different with a national border? But the framing
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now is borders kill. You understand? So, and if you repeat it often enough, you know.
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Borders kill, that's the slogan out there? Yeah, yeah. Borders kill.
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I've never heard that. It's ridiculous. In Germany, it's like, yeah, borders kill.
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The left, they want to tear them all down, you know, one, no borders, no nations kind of thing.
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Yeah. Borders kill. That's true. That would be excited too. I'm surprised he hasn't started to
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use that. I know. But no one in their right mind would think that like a fence around a kindergarten
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would kill. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's ridiculous. Yeah. You know, one of the things that bothered me
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was that some of the Jewish community groups in Canada lashed out at you with no facts. And they were
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just again falling into the knee-jerk, smear people. And my understanding of the AFD, and I want to check
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with you, is that if anything, it's a pro-Israel party. And it's an anti-anti-Semitic party. That's
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what I think. Can you clarify? Is that the case? That is absolutely the case. It absolutely is the case.
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The thing is this. They need to label us anti-Semites to justify them lashing out at us.
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They cannot just say, well, we kind of hate that party because they're exposing us liars. They can't
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say that. So they need to come up with other reasons, you know? So it's like, take your pick,
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you know, transphobic, xenophobe, enemies of Europe, anti-Sem... The whole shebang, they're pulling this,
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you know? And if you keep people, you know, in a hamster wheel, you know, having to work like,
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what, two, three jobs now to make ends meet. And now with inflation, it's even worse. In Germany,
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we opted to cut down our power supply altogether by shutting down all the nuclear power plants,
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right? I mean, idiocy, right? So a lot of people really don't know how to make ends meet anymore.
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But I mean, you cannot vote for AFD, right? Because they're just that and the other. That's kind of like
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how it works. Yeah. You know, it really bothered me when the Jewish community groups piled on,
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because the one, I mean, I've talked to you a few times, I've interviewed you, I've followed you,
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and I feel like I know you as well as I know any foreign politician. But the one thing I do know
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is that you could not be in public life. And the AFD would not have 300 elected officials and 10 years
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track record if the, if the anti-Semitic smear was true. But that's the one thing we know about
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Germany is they wouldn't allow that because it's a crime. Exactly. But I mean, I'm embarrassed
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by how you were treated. I mean, it's not just... Oh, don't be. Don't be.
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But let me ask you this. I mean, it was shocking to see Pierre Pauly of the leader of the conservative
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party discipline less than Lewis, who's a real important part of the coalition and the other MPs too.
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Right. Let me ask you, and without giving away confidences, I don't want you to get anyone in
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trouble. But did any of the MPs or the staff who met with you, did they apologize for this? Did they
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say, I'm sorry, we just have to go along with this because our party leader is cracking the whip?
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Like, did any of them acknowledge that what was being said and done to you was unfair and a pack of
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lies? Or did they just go silent? One of them did. One of them did which? Yes.
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One of them apologized or reached out, you see? Yes.
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All right. I won't ask who, you know, I'm curious. And I won't say, but...
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And what did this person say, roughly? Well, that person was just a surprise that,
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you know, what all the things that they, you know, went down were going on.
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That person acknowledged that we did have a good time and it was very interesting having,
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you know, discussions and, uh, yeah. So, uh, but you know what, the thing is this, um,
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so really don't be embarrassed that they treated me this way because, um, that actually exposed them,
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you know? And it was like, these idiots, seriously? Uh, I mean, you know, they were trying to shut me
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down, but it will put, they were actually pulling a huge Barbra Streisand effect on me.
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Yeah. I mean, you know, there probably isn't a single person in Canada now that doesn't know who
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Christine Anderson is, you know? And these idiots made it all possible, you know? I mean, making the
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national news and being actually, you know, mentioned in the Canadian parliament, I mean,
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seriously, but, you know, just goes to show, yeah, I was actually, once that all started,
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I was, I was having the time of my life just watching how it went down. Because, you know,
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there is, you know, there's a saying, all publicity is good publicity, but I don't believe that.
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I think that some things, some lies, um, if they travel far enough, they can stick.
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Yeah. But the thing is this, um, you know, as I said before, we may not be able to force them to
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tell the truth, but we may, but we are certainly able to force them to lie even more blatantly.
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And that's what they did. It was so blown out of proportion, you know, and any person would have
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a brain thought just through that crap. And that actually, you know, they will, it will have the
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opposite effect, you know, like the underdog kind of thing. Yeah. Well, we'll see how it goes. You're
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back in Canada, which was a surprise to me. What are you doing in Canada? Why do you have a special
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interest in Canada now? I mean, you, you took an interest in the trucker convoy. A lot of people
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around the world did. Um, is Canada your beat now? Did, are you here on a vacation? Why did you come back?
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Well, first of all, I love Canada. I've really come, uh, to, to really appreciate Canada,
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uh, especially the freedom truckers and, um, whatever opportunity I get to, to meet with them.
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And, you know, I've, uh, I'm just all for it. Um, but this time it was really, uh, to meet
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Jordan B. Peterson, which I had the pleasure of, uh, of doing so last night. And, uh, cause he really is,
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gosh, I'm actually lacking the words to, um, to explain what, what he actually did,
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you know, just standing up, not taking any of this and, uh, at a personal risk, by the way,
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you know, they can shut him down. They, you know, threatened to, to, uh, take away his license and,
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you know, do all of that, but still he wouldn't go for it. He wouldn't give in. And that is actually,
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uh, that takes a lot of courage. And, uh, yeah, I admire people like that. And, uh, the first time I
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came across him, that was like, when he started talking about the, the, uh, Bill C 16, it was,
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and I, I was just, it was just amazing. Just listening to him, you know, and how he carries
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himself. And what I find most astonishing is, um, I'm pretty sure you noticed that last night
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too. You can actually watch him think as he speaks, you know, uh, that is just, gosh,
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he is awesome. He really is amazing. And I'm really glad I got the chance to meet him. And,
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uh, so that kind of prompted me to come over again. And, uh, but since I'm here, you know,
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I might as well meet up with a lovely, lovely people like yourself or, you know, other, uh,
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people. So yeah, I just love Canada and, uh, they actually will have to forbid me from coming back
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because otherwise I will be back. Well, I hope you have a chance to do some tourist things too. I mean,
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um, wintertime in Canada, there is winter fun skiing and whatnot, but I think the spring and
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the summer, there's a lot of lovely places. I hope you have a chance to take in some tourism
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to listen. It's a pleasure to talk with you in person. We've talked via Skype before. It's good
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to learn a little bit about the background and I'm glad that at least one of the conservatives
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who met with you reached out to, to acknowledge that, that what they were doing, um, under duress was
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not the right way to treat you. I would encourage our viewers to look into the alternative for
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Deutschland, the AFD that we actually hit in the polls, the 20 mark, uh, 20% mark. Well,
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isn't that interesting? Cause Justin Trudeau in the latest poll, only 20% of Canadians say he deserves
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reelection. 80% say he should not be reelected. So the AFD is just as popular in Germany as Justin Trudeau
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is in Canada. There's a statistic for you. I would encourage, uh, our viewers to look into the AFD
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themselves because the lies that were thrown against you, because I knew a little bit about
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the AFD because I'd met some AFD people in Germany when I was there a few years ago. And because I knew
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that I knew a little bit about it, I thought the attacks on you were outrageous to begin with. And
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the fact that they were mouthed by the leader of the opposition was just astonishing. Well, listen,
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enjoy the rest of your time in Canada. Thanks very much for spending some time with us. Thanks for
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having me. It's been a great pleasure. There you have it. From all of us here at Rebel World
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Headquarters to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.