A wide-ranging catch-up with Professor Bruce Pardee on the year that was, including his thoughts on Jordan Peterson's impending suspension from the Ontario College of Psychologists and the ongoing witch-hunt against him.
00:04:01.160It's not just the College of Psychologists, Psychiatrists.
00:04:05.840It's professional regulators of all different kinds.
00:04:10.480I mean, nurses are being disciplined for believing in binary sex.
00:04:14.760We had our own issue at the Law Society of Ontario, where they tried to require all licensees to adopt their own statement of principles, which required them to embrace the ideology of equity, diversity and inclusion.
00:04:30.920One more example, the College of Physicians of Ontario basically told their licensees that they were not allowed to express opinions that were anti-lockdown, anti-mandate, anti-masking.
00:04:46.520They just weren't allowed to express their medical opinions about those issues.
00:04:50.160So across the board, we are seeing regulators be much more aggressive in an ideological sense.
00:04:58.540You are not now allowed to step outside the lines of their preferred ideological agenda.
00:05:08.260And it is a very disturbing pattern to see.
00:05:11.080And Jordan's case is one of these cases.
00:05:15.440And I hope that it will bring this issue into the public mind and let people see what is happening.
00:05:40.700And, you know, I remember when he said something that got him suspended on Twitter.
00:05:45.020And I don't know if you've ever been suspended on Twitter, but they have this they used to have this sort of Stalinist move, which is that they would not reinstate you.
00:05:55.220You had to reinstate yourself by deleting your tweet.
00:09:22.780Right. They're part of government because because they have a regulatory role and you can't practice as a lawyer or a doctor or a psychologist without a license from them.
00:11:27.920And I'm I'm you know, we're all we're all behind him.
00:11:30.640And as you say, he if they were going to pick on anyone, I mean, he's the one probably most able to to take it.
00:11:40.120And Amy, Amy is only one of a whole number of examples who have been subject to this kind of of of of discipline.
00:11:47.540That, you know, that the central problem, I think, is in the idea that the regulators are entitled to to discipline their licensees for something as vague as unprofessional conduct.
00:12:11.920You know, in a different era that that maybe sort of works because everybody sort of knew what the boundaries were and maybe arguably not.
00:12:21.760But it becomes much more difficult in this era when when unbecoming has a political edge to it.
00:12:28.420They're defining it in political terms.
00:12:30.000If you are not on board with a essentially a progressive or woke agenda, I mean, if you don't believe in transgenderism, if you don't embrace equity, diversity and inclusion on their terms, if if you object to the covid mandates or any of a number of other ideologically tinted things, then they they have the power to say you are being unprofessional.
00:12:57.740You know, I think the worst example of this was the doctors who had a second opinion during the covid scare.
00:13:08.220And and when I mean scared, it was a disease.
00:15:05.660Yeah, no, but you're absolutely right.
00:15:07.360The wording in the even the wording in the in the in the general proposition that the College of Physicians and Surgeons has about, you know, keeping on the right side of the line.
00:15:22.840Not even the not even the covid announcement, but but the one that says, you know, you shall you shall, you know, watch your words, essentially says that you should not contradict.
00:15:35.480And I forget the exact wordy, but essentially it says you should not contradict the consensus of the profession.
00:15:41.160It doesn't say you shouldn't be unscientific.
00:15:44.300It is based upon consensus rather than on science.
00:16:30.800And if I'm not mistaken, our Supreme Court has yet to bother itself with any case touching on the pandemic, the lockdowns, the mandates, the curfews, the vax passports.
00:16:43.780Am I wrong to say that our Supreme Court has literally taken a three year vacation from the pandemic?
00:16:50.960Have they heard a single case touching on the matter?
00:16:53.060Not to my knowledge, no, but I'm not sure that I would attribute that to their fault necessarily,
00:16:57.860because they are they have to wait until an appeal comes to them.
00:17:00.860They have to decide whether or not to take the appeal unless it's by right.
00:17:43.600He just said this is how it's going to be.
00:17:45.620And every other judge in the country said, oh, OK, now I know what the capo de tuticapi has to say, the boss of all bosses, the final battle in any judicial quarrel.
00:18:04.560So now I know what to do, because if I'm against vaccine mandates, I know I'm going to be overturned.
00:18:10.800Well, I know that because he just expressed himself and he literally implemented it.
00:18:15.340So in a way, the Supreme Court of Canada's chief justice, without a hearing, without that Latin phrase, adi ultram partum, here the other side.
00:18:26.860He just said, oh, yeah, not only do I support vaccine mandates, I'm going to implement one.
00:18:31.660You can figure out where I stand and act accordingly.
00:18:34.880I think that was a sneaky and atrocious act of bias.
00:19:06.880And and that that's sort of an out of court statement.
00:19:10.960His opinion, his take on an act of controversy that had not been adjudicated yet could very well end up in his courtroom.
00:19:19.920And it's it's a very well established principle that judges should not publicly express their opinions on matters that that might come before them.
00:19:34.220The the chief justice of the Supreme Court.
00:19:36.460So even if he were to recuse himself, should that case come before him?
00:19:42.760And the case I'm referring to is the is the challenge to the Emergencies Act, which has been brought, even if he were to recuse himself from hearing that case.
00:19:52.540I mean, the fact that he's the chief justice and has expressed this opinion, you know, surely should be considered to have influence, you know, through the hierarchy of of the courts in the country.
00:20:03.580So it's very hard to to calculate what kind of influence it might have had.
00:20:08.020So for my money, that that was a that was a a bad moment and didn't didn't do the reputation of the court and the justice system in the country any good at all.
00:20:24.740For years, I've seen out of the corner of my eye, people come up with homemade law and it's often very good people who they're not almost none of them have gone to law school and I'm not making a snobby or elitist comment.
00:20:42.700I'm just saying I hear people talk about common law, which is a real thing, but they did they but they're using that to describe something else.
00:20:55.120These are all actually all of these words have meaning, but they've been reassembled like a Lego set into an into sort of using the language of lawyering into these alternative legal theories where I'm not a person.
00:21:09.260I'm in, you know, I'm like it's I'm not a legal person and I don't accept this.
00:21:14.540Like they have all this verbiage that sounds legalistic, but it's sort of gobbledygook.
00:21:20.160And the belief in this alternative legal system has exploded over the last three years.
00:21:26.600And my theory for that is sort of obvious.
00:21:29.980People look at the legal system that they have been told their entire lives is the best in the world, the fairest in the world, the freest in the world.
00:21:36.700We got to trust it. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms, it defines who we are as Canadians.
00:21:57.780And so these good people who cannot fathom, cannot understand how everything broke at once, how the opposition parties did not oppose, how conservatives were not conservative, how the media became.
00:22:10.640They went from skeptics to propagandists, how the doctors were either silent or silenced, how the police became enforcers of goofy mask rules and had measuring tapes and they shut down school playgrounds.
00:22:29.460And so people looked at this madness and they thought, I must process this in a way that I mentally don't break.
00:22:38.800I'm going to come up with a new legal system.
00:22:40.680Like, I just think it has so utterly damaged people's belief in every institution, political, media, legal.
00:22:47.620I mean, I know I used to be a real vaccine guy, not because I was obedient or loved Big Pharma.
00:22:55.020I just sort of thought, well, of course they work.
00:22:57.160Why would I, you know, you got to be a bit of a kook to, I mean, I took every vaccine that I was supposed to and then, you know, one or two more.
00:23:04.620But now I sort of think, what was I, was I just sort of sold something to make a investment, you know, to pay off Pfizer's investment?
00:23:14.420Like, even I and I, I don't think I'm a, you know, people disparage Rebel News, but I don't think we're wild eyed.
00:23:22.020But now I look at, should I have trusted the public health experts as much as I did?
00:23:27.160Should I trust all these institutions with broke, they broke at the same time, Bruce.
00:23:32.900Every check and balance failed at the same time.
00:23:38.260I've sometimes said that this is, you know, if there is any silver lining to this COVID debacle, it is that it has pulled back the curtain and we can see how things actually work or don't work.
00:23:53.940I mean, it's sort of like the witch hunt against Jordan.
00:23:58.980The only silver lining to that is that they are revealing themselves and how they really work.
00:24:04.860And the same kind of discovery has happened during COVID.
00:24:08.380And people have been shocked and appalled at at how things don't work the way they thought they did.
00:24:16.940And it's a hard lesson to take in because you go through your life assuming that institutions work in a certain way.
00:24:23.960You know, government departments, public health, courts, the legal profession, the medical profession and so on.
00:24:30.520And then you discover that actually it's not that way at all.
00:24:34.380It's a bit like I mean, it's a bit like waking up in the matrix and finding out that the world that you thought you lived in doesn't really exist.
00:24:44.900Some people have have gone searching for another legal theory upon which to base their life.
00:24:51.280And these theories, I'm afraid I totally understand the motivation.
00:24:54.760I understand what they're trying to get to.
00:24:57.380I respect the the individual liberty that they seek entirely.
00:25:03.940But but the the the theories that I have heard during this period, the common law theory that you're talking about and so on.
00:25:14.400I mean, if you if you wandered into a courtroom and tried to argue these things, you'd get nowhere.
00:25:18.340Yeah, I mean, of course, and there have been some cases that have gone to court and some judges have gone very deep in rebutting and refuting and condemning it.
00:25:27.800I of course, it's it's a goofy counter theory.
00:25:30.440But the fact that it's been embraced so widely shows a desperation, shows a desperation from people that they can't believe things happen.
00:25:40.020And I mean, there's even someone who calls herself Queen Romana or something, you know, and and people follow her.
00:26:08.320Grassroots people tried to fund them, but both crowd funds were shut down like it was the most organic, natural, authentic political movement, I think, in Canadian history.
00:26:57.960It was a remarkable atmosphere of peaceful people who were angry, but also joyful.
00:27:09.240It was an interesting combination of things.
00:27:12.560But, you know, you know, trying to look for, again, the positive in the sea of negative.
00:27:17.200I mean, one of the first things that has to happen in order for us to actually achieve a significant change in this country is for a critical mass of people to be discontented with the way things are.
00:27:32.800And this day, I think I think we need to understand that this is not just a consequence of COVID.
00:27:39.880COVID was the thing that pulled back the curtain.
00:27:42.240But a lot of these things have have been around for a long time.
00:27:48.100The trends have been there for decades.
00:27:49.880We have worked ourselves to this moment, to this situation where our institutions work as they do now or don't.
00:27:58.560And so we shouldn't be under any illusion that this was a blip and that things are just going to die down and go back to normal.
00:28:46.640There was a time when if you'd a trucker come along and had a had a had a beef against somebody in a white coat, they they would have heard him out and investigated to see what the story actually was and and try to, you know, seek to speak truth to power.
00:29:08.760I think part of that is the colonization of the media.
00:29:11.960I think anyone who says that the multi-year and it's got to be over a billion dollars now in handouts and grants and bailouts and subsidies to the media, anyone who says that doesn't have an effect.
00:29:24.860I think they're just ignoring human nature.
00:29:26.760And I used to follow the Canadian Association of Journalists, Canadian Journalists for Free Expression, Amnesty International, Penn Canada, all these groups, all these alphabet soup of groups.
00:29:39.700And they used to love sparring with the government.
00:29:42.540I mean, how many times did Amnesty International and the Canadian Bar Association write about Omar Khadr and his civil rights versus how many times did they write about the civil rights of the unvaxxed?
00:29:53.520And if you look at what the Canadian Association of Journalists has to talk about these days, it is only about one thing, getting more money from the government.
00:30:03.000They've just completely abandoned any focus on journalism, let alone holding power to account.
00:30:10.000It's all about rent seeking, as the economists would call it.
00:30:25.040But I'm not sure it's the whole story either, though, because there is an ideological part to this, which I think was showing itself even before this, this funding model came along.
00:30:38.160I mean, many of the people who work in the mainstream media are, well, some of them are university graduates who have learned, essentially, an ideology in their studies.
00:30:51.920And they think the world works in a certain way.
00:30:55.480And one of the reasons that they don't challenge things that woke governments do is that they are woke.
00:31:02.700And they are consistent with the agenda or the story or the narrative that they've been taught is the way things are supposed to be.
00:33:23.260There was a, I mean, listen, the Nuremberg Code, which was basically part of the verdict of the Nazi doctor's trial.
00:33:33.060Our modern idea of medical ethics and consent came from the Nazis as a response and an antidote and a prevention to it.
00:33:41.600And there's been nothing in our history since the Second World War that has violated that Nazi verdict in the Nuremberg Code.
00:33:49.680Can I just, can we just talk about that for a sec though?
00:33:52.420I mean, I'm not sure that's, I mean, the Nuremberg Code has been referred to a lot also in these times because people are grasping for things.
00:34:02.080And it is true that it contains these principles that you refer to, no question.
00:34:06.620But it's not enforceable law in Canada.
00:34:11.520And we already have those principles in Canadian law.
00:34:14.200We didn't need Nuremberg to insert those.
00:34:17.320They were in the common law before then.
00:34:19.620And if you, if you went to a doctor and the doctor treated you or operated on you without your informed consent, that would have been a tort.
00:34:31.500So I think it's, I think it's a reflection of the dynamics that you were referring to earlier, which is people are appalled at what's happened in there.
00:34:40.920And Nuremberg is not a bad thing to reach for.
00:34:43.460I mean, it's a very good expression of the ideas that, that, that we're endorsing here.
00:34:50.080But it's, it's not an independently existing piece of international law that you can go into a courtroom and say, here, you know, here's Nuremberg, you know, apply this.
00:35:08.800It's basically principles, it, the Nazi doctors did atrocious things.
00:35:15.100And because, and this is some of those incredible psychological experiments done in the 60s and 70s.
00:35:21.460There was the, um, ash conformity test, if you know what I mean, where, uh, a group of people who all were pretending to be random people in the public, but all of them were in on it except for one actually naive person.
00:35:37.800And they were told which of these two lines is the same length.
00:35:40.420And on cue every once in a while, all of the people who were in on it would give the wrong answer.
00:35:47.200And the ash conformity test would test if the one person who said, what are you talking about?
00:35:52.280Those lines are obviously not the same length.
00:35:54.180Would he go along with it just to fit in?
00:35:56.580And I think like 35% of the time, the person would give the wrong answer, knowing it was the wrong answer, just to fit in.
00:36:03.280That was called the ash conformity test.
00:36:05.620Well, there's also the Milgram experiments.
00:36:07.640Well, that's the one about the white lab coats.
00:36:09.500Will you cause pain to someone, or at least think you are, because someone in a white lab coat said you must.
00:50:12.080You can boost your friends and de-boost your enemies.
00:50:16.580And so they don't have to ban Rebel News.
00:50:19.100They just have to order YouTube, Facebook, Google, Instagram, Twitter to hide us because we are not a qualified Canadian journalism organization, which is one of their licenses.
00:50:29.960That's the way to kill Rebel News, not to ban us.