Rebel News Podcast - December 08, 2021


EZRA LEVANT ｜ The Wisdom of Elon Musk


Episode Stats

Length

48 minutes

Words per Minute

164.99028

Word Count

8,065

Sentence Count

611

Misogynist Sentences

1

Hate Speech Sentences

7


Summary

Elon Musk sits down with the Wall Street Journal to talk about his views on China and the need for government subsidies to his own company, Tesla. He also talks about why he thinks Joe Biden should go to jail for his own crimes.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Well, the other day I took you through a speech by Eric Zemmour, a French presidential candidate.
00:00:04.060 Let me do something a little closer to home.
00:00:06.460 An amazing half-hour conversation with Elon Musk and a conference hosted by the Wall Street Journal.
00:00:12.440 I'm going to take you through 10 revealing clips.
00:00:16.340 He talks about a number of things, including his views on China and subsidies to his own company.
00:00:24.380 Interview, very interesting surprises in it.
00:00:27.460 So that's ahead.
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00:01:10.240 Here's today's show.
00:01:10.980 You're listening to a Rebel News Podcast.
00:01:25.140 Tonight, the wisdom of Elon Musk.
00:01:29.680 It's December 7th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
00:01:34.720 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:01:38.520 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
00:01:42.600 The only thing I have to say to the government of a wire publisher is because it's my bloody right to do so.
00:01:48.460 We hear a lot from Bill Gates, who used to be the world's richest man.
00:01:57.560 Instead of doing industry or creating entrepreneurial outfits anymore, he's more into social control,
00:02:06.400 spending hundreds of millions of dollars on media, fact-checkers to disagree with him,
00:02:11.540 investing in controlling schemes like mandatory vaccines, which he promotes,
00:02:17.780 and even bizarrer ideas like blocking out the sun with dust in order to save us from global warming.
00:02:26.940 I think even though he looks like a sort of schleppy regular guy, I think he's actually deeply evil,
00:02:33.680 not just the schemes I've just outlined, but of course this New York Times story
00:02:38.360 showing that Bill Gates kept in close touch with Jeffrey Epstein,
00:02:43.480 even after Epstein was convicted of being a child predator.
00:02:47.820 I think Bill Gates is a deeply evil man.
00:02:50.660 But the world's richest man, at least for now, couldn't be more opposite than Bill Gates.
00:02:57.040 His name is Elon Musk, and of course he's the CEO of Tesla, but of many other things too,
00:03:03.520 of SpaceX, of the Boring Company, which specializes in tunnels.
00:03:08.600 He's in so many different things, and of course he's active on Twitter,
00:03:12.620 often with ironic and culturally hip jokes and memes.
00:03:17.800 But he sat down with the Wall Street Journal for half an hour at a conference they held,
00:03:23.460 and he was asked good questions, and I thought he gave great answers.
00:03:27.600 It's nice to hear from Elon Musk in a longer form.
00:03:31.720 So I'd like to take you through 10 different clips extracted from his conversation with
00:03:37.860 Wall Street Journal that I think there's a lot of wisdom here.
00:03:41.340 I mean, I don't agree with everything the man says, but what a refreshing change he is
00:03:46.300 from the big government, big business, you know, crony capitalist types.
00:03:53.020 Let me start with what I thought was an ordinary question with an extraordinary answer.
00:03:59.420 Here, take a look.
00:04:01.060 I wanted to ask you, say tomorrow you get a phone call from Joe Biden, and he says...
00:04:06.080 I think that's unlikely, but sure.
00:04:08.580 You know, he just gives you a call, and he says, you know, I haven't been talking a lot
00:04:12.260 about Tesla lately, but, you know, what do you need from this bill?
00:04:15.500 What are your needs?
00:04:16.420 What do you answer him?
00:04:17.260 Well, I mean, to be totally frank, I don't know if we...
00:04:27.580 At least no one at Tesla has actually brought up whether they care about this bill or not.
00:04:32.860 I think if this bill happened or didn't happen, I don't know.
00:04:37.540 We don't think about it at all, really.
00:04:40.460 Okay.
00:04:42.160 It might be better.
00:04:43.440 Honestly, it might be better if the bill doesn't pass.
00:04:45.640 Because we've spent so much money, you know, it's like the federal budget deficit is insane.
00:04:53.500 You know, it's like $3 trillion.
00:04:55.620 Federal expenditures are $7 trillion.
00:04:58.880 Federal revenue is $4 trillion.
00:05:00.280 That's a $3 trillion difference.
00:05:03.920 And if this was a company, it'd be a $3 trillion loss.
00:05:07.280 So I don't know if we should be adding to that loss.
00:05:10.020 That seems pretty crazy.
00:05:11.820 Something's got to give.
00:05:12.620 You can't just spend $3 trillion more than your own every year and expect, you know, don't expect something bad to happen.
00:05:22.000 I think, you know, this is not good.
00:05:24.300 Well, Mr. Khan is actually saying...
00:05:26.180 In fact, if I may elaborate on that, the deficit is more than $3 trillion when you look at the future obligations.
00:05:32.420 So it's $7 trillion of current expenditures, but it's much more than that if you look at future obligations for Social Security, Medicare, and so forth.
00:05:42.700 So we're running this incredible deficit.
00:05:45.300 Something's got to give.
00:05:46.220 I don't know.
00:05:48.260 This can't keep going.
00:05:49.300 Well, I mean, I love the first part.
00:05:52.320 We don't even talk about what the government is doing.
00:05:54.600 We don't have an interest in it.
00:05:55.600 We're busy doing whatever we do in our company.
00:05:58.240 I thought that was a wonderful answer that rang true.
00:06:01.560 But later saying, you know, government's too...
00:06:03.980 When was the last time you heard a big businessman say government is too big?
00:06:07.560 Normally they say, well, we need either subsidies to protect us or regulations to inhibit our competitors.
00:06:14.040 What a great answer that was.
00:06:16.420 And the questioner followed up with more about the role of government.
00:06:21.940 What is the role of government?
00:06:23.120 I've been a critic of Tesla before because it has taken government subsidies.
00:06:27.060 These next two clips have an interesting answer to that.
00:06:30.540 Take a look at this one.
00:06:34.040 Yeah, but I don't see a strong effort in this direction.
00:06:39.220 Well, I want to come back to autonomous vehicles,
00:06:41.260 but I want to just stay a little bit more on the role of government.
00:06:45.540 You said at this conference actually a year ago
00:06:47.440 that you think government should really just be hands-off when it comes to innovation.
00:06:51.700 Though with this bill, there is a lot of support for EVs,
00:06:55.100 and it could be the biggest change that we've seen throughout the country
00:06:58.900 in terms of the infrastructure of EVs, and it helps Tesla.
00:07:02.320 What do you think the role of government should be?
00:07:04.540 I think the role of government should be that of like a referee,
00:07:13.320 but not a player on the field.
00:07:19.540 So, generally, government should, I think, just try to get out of the way
00:07:26.940 and not impede progress.
00:07:30.360 I think there's a general problem, not just in the U.S.,
00:07:33.860 but in most countries where the rules and regulations keep increasing every year.
00:07:41.800 Rules and regulations are immortal.
00:07:44.280 They don't die.
00:07:44.980 There's not a natural.
00:07:45.840 Occasionally, you see some law with a sunset provision,
00:07:49.120 but really, otherwise, the vast majority of rules and regulations live forever.
00:07:53.640 And so, if more rules and regulations are applied every year,
00:07:56.980 and it just keeps growing and growing,
00:07:58.420 eventually, it just takes longer and longer, and it's harder to do things.
00:08:03.420 And there's not really an effective garbage collection system
00:08:07.380 for moving rules and regulations.
00:08:10.180 And so, gradually, this hardens the arteries of civilization,
00:08:16.380 where you're able to do less and less over time.
00:08:18.340 So, I think government should be really trying hard to get rid of rules and regulations
00:08:23.820 that perhaps had some merit at some point, but don't have merit currently.
00:08:29.480 But there's very little effort in this direction.
00:08:32.260 This is a big problem.
00:08:35.120 Again, one of the biggest arguers for regulation in our economy
00:08:40.680 are companies that dominate the marketplace.
00:08:43.680 They want the regulation to hobble upstarts.
00:08:46.500 You see this in tech.
00:08:48.200 You even saw it in Alberta for the limits on new oil sands production.
00:08:53.140 The big four companies agreed with Rachel Notley to ban any upstarts
00:08:57.440 because they already got their big oil sands projects.
00:09:00.480 Here is the world's largest electric carmaker,
00:09:03.940 at least the largest one in America, saying,
00:09:06.160 I don't want more rules and regs.
00:09:08.180 He was asked about subsidies.
00:09:09.700 Like I say, Tesla has taken them.
00:09:12.040 But listen to him talk about that.
00:09:13.480 Because sometimes the criticism of Tesla is like, hey, Tesla gets all these subsidies.
00:09:18.360 But it's worth noting that for the vehicle purchase tax credit, the $7,500,
00:09:24.320 Tesla stopped getting that like two years ago.
00:09:27.260 So, whereas everyone else, I think, except for GM still gets the $7,500 tax credit.
00:09:35.300 So, all of our sales this year and last year had nothing to do with the tax credit
00:09:43.340 because we were no longer eligible because we'd made so many electric cars.
00:09:46.860 Tesla has made roughly two-thirds of all the electric cars in the United States.
00:09:51.860 You know, I'm not sure if most people are aware of that.
00:09:53.640 So, yeah.
00:09:56.980 So, Tesla has made basically twice as many electric vehicles as the rest of industry combined.
00:10:03.520 And we don't need the $7,500 tax credit.
00:10:07.600 I would say, honestly, I would just can this whole bill.
00:10:11.500 Don't pass it.
00:10:12.240 That's my recommendation.
00:10:13.740 What about the support, though, for the charging network?
00:10:17.920 I mean, there are parts of this bill.
00:10:19.320 No, I mean, do we need support for gas stations?
00:10:25.060 We don't.
00:10:26.020 So, there's no need for support for a charging network.
00:10:31.020 I would delete it.
00:10:31.900 Delete.
00:10:35.240 Okay.
00:10:36.020 All right.
00:10:36.680 I'm literally saying get rid of all subsidies.
00:10:40.280 But also for oil and gas.
00:10:43.420 Isn't that incredible?
00:10:44.460 You hear all these climate change activists calling for subsidies for electric cars, subsidies
00:10:49.900 for charging stations.
00:10:51.400 And there's the man who has produced twice as many electric cars as the rest of the industry
00:10:56.160 combined, saying, we don't need the help.
00:10:58.480 We didn't want the help.
00:10:59.760 I love his analogy.
00:11:00.780 Do we need to subsidize gas stations?
00:11:03.500 What a rebuke to the control, the social control model of the climate change activists
00:11:10.780 like Bill Gates himself, let alone politicians.
00:11:13.060 He makes another brief comment about where the call for subsidies came from.
00:11:18.620 He says that when he started Tesla, that wasn't on his mind.
00:11:22.480 It was one of his competitors.
00:11:23.840 Take a listen to this.
00:11:25.960 I'm in favor of deleting subsidies.
00:11:28.440 I mean, when we started Tesla, there were no EV subsidies at all.
00:11:31.960 And gasoline was super cheap.
00:11:33.800 We did not anticipate any subsidies.
00:11:36.380 That came later.
00:11:37.140 And that came, the $7,500 tax credit came as a result, not of Tesla activity, but of General
00:11:43.660 Motors lobbying for it.
00:11:45.780 So, you know, I would just say, just delete them all.
00:11:50.560 I did not know that General Motors was the one that called for those subsidies.
00:11:54.780 It makes sense.
00:11:55.280 You know the old motto, what's good for General Motors is good for America.
00:11:59.440 Yeah, maybe that was true.
00:12:01.040 But I'm not sure if it's true anymore.
00:12:03.280 That is the crony capitalist motto.
00:12:05.880 Whatever else you think of Elon Musk, he's not in bed with the government.
00:12:09.060 Joe Biden actually hates him.
00:12:11.000 Here's a great question about research and development, which is another big government
00:12:16.300 thing.
00:12:16.700 People always say we need more investment in research and development as if politicians
00:12:20.880 are better at that than others.
00:12:22.560 Take a look at this.
00:12:23.940 There's some other good things in this bill that some would argue.
00:12:26.500 I mean, a lot of money earmarked for R&D.
00:12:29.320 Would you want to put that towards something?
00:12:31.840 No.
00:12:32.660 Okay.
00:12:33.560 All right.
00:12:34.240 All right.
00:12:34.580 We're going to move on from the bill because I think we get what you're saying on it.
00:12:39.900 In general, we should just, if we don't cut government spending, something really bad
00:12:45.460 is going to happen.
00:12:46.000 This is crazy.
00:12:46.920 Our spending is so far in excess of revenue, it's insane.
00:12:52.060 Like you could zero out all billionaires in the country.
00:12:54.300 There's all this like anti-billionaire BS.
00:12:56.500 Well, if you zeroed out all the billionaires, you still wouldn't solve the deficit.
00:13:01.860 Huh.
00:13:02.980 Imagine saying, I don't want the government to spend money on R&D.
00:13:07.340 You would think that as a greedy capitalist, he would want free money and he would want
00:13:11.720 the government to do the research forum.
00:13:13.300 But he has a different mindset than the globalists, crony corporatists.
00:13:18.980 I think this is very refreshing.
00:13:21.060 I think every answer is a surprise.
00:13:23.180 And this next one I really appreciate.
00:13:26.880 He talks about, he looks at government in a way that I think every progressive, every
00:13:33.120 leftist should, which is skeptically in pointing out really what's the difference between big
00:13:38.700 government and big business other than you can never run away from big government, you
00:13:43.000 can never hold big government to account, and big government has the lawful use of violence.
00:13:47.640 This is an amazing comment.
00:13:49.220 Take a look at these two minutes.
00:13:50.920 If you think of assets beyond a certain level that are far beyond, let's say, somebody's
00:13:59.400 ability to consume, then at a certain point, really what you're doing is capital allocation.
00:14:05.820 So you're not, it's not money for personal expenditures, it's what you're doing is capital allocation.
00:14:11.840 And it does not make sense to take the job of capital allocation away from people who have
00:14:18.140 demonstrated great skill in capital allocation and give it to, you know, an entity that has
00:14:23.920 demonstrated very poor skill in capital allocation, which is the government.
00:14:27.500 I mean, you can think of the government essentially as a corporation in the limit.
00:14:32.840 It is, it is, the government is simply the biggest corporation with a monopoly on violence.
00:14:37.400 And with, and where you have no recourse.
00:14:40.660 I mean, government is a corporation in the limit.
00:14:45.800 So if you, it is the most corporate thing, it is maximum corporation.
00:14:51.720 And it, but it's also a monopoly.
00:14:54.400 And, and also it's the only one that's allowed legally to do violence.
00:14:58.080 So why, why would you want to give a corporation with no competition that, that can't even really
00:15:06.760 go bankrupt, um, more money?
00:15:10.120 So, so I'm not somebody who is, who's sort of an extreme libertarian, uh, and thinks the
00:15:14.860 government should not do anything.
00:15:15.860 I just think we should, um, minimize what the government does because the government's
00:15:21.380 efficiency at spending is, is just going to be lower than, um, a, a competitive commercial
00:15:27.640 company, but by a lot.
00:15:29.560 Isn't that amazing?
00:15:30.680 I can't believe this libertarian philosopher and scholar happens to be the world's richest
00:15:37.340 man and, and great innovator.
00:15:39.760 Um, very interesting to me.
00:15:41.500 You know, he talks a lot about capital allocation.
00:15:43.480 That's a way of saying, where do we put money in society that's the best?
00:15:46.820 And one of the things he says about other gazillionaires like Warren Buffett of Berkshire
00:15:51.500 Hathaway is he says, Warren Buffett is a capital allocation specialist.
00:15:56.440 So which company deserves more investment?
00:15:59.620 Should it go into Coke or to Pepsi?
00:16:02.480 Well, depends on which company's being run better.
00:16:04.780 And let me measure and check and read financial reports.
00:16:08.280 That's the Warren Buffett way of doing business.
00:16:11.480 And it's a very useful and important way of doing business.
00:16:14.760 Elon Musk calls that capital allocation.
00:16:16.720 Where should we move money in society?
00:16:18.860 He says, why would you take money away from the Warren Buffetts who are good at that and
00:16:22.840 give it to governments who are terrible at that?
00:16:24.780 That's a very thoughtful way of looking at it.
00:16:26.860 It's realizing that governments are big business too.
00:16:30.300 Now, this next part is one of my favorites.
00:16:32.900 It's, it's worth remembering.
00:16:34.100 We don't think about it that much, but, um, there's something inherent, uh, about freedom
00:16:39.600 and smaller governments.
00:16:41.960 It's, and we have two perfect laboratories that have, uh, pre-unification Germany and divided
00:16:48.820 Korea.
00:16:49.240 Take a listen to this.
00:16:50.080 So, so I'm not somebody who is, who's sort of an extreme libertarian, uh, and thinks the
00:16:55.380 government should not do anything.
00:16:56.380 I just think we should, um, minimize what the government does because the government's
00:17:01.900 efficiency at spending is, is just going to be lower than, um, a, a competitive commercial
00:17:08.140 company, but by a lot.
00:17:09.420 Um, if you look at, say, um, East Germany versus West Germany or North Korea versus South Korea,
00:17:15.200 and you look at the GDP per capita of, uh, East and West Germany or North and South Korea,
00:17:19.700 the difference is gigantic.
00:17:21.700 Um, and that's just the difference between East and West Germany or, um, you know, it's,
00:17:26.780 it's like a random line was drawn, uh, basically depending on where the, the, the red army was
00:17:32.480 and where the allied troops were.
00:17:33.720 Um, and, uh, East Germany's productivity was like, uh, at least five times worse than
00:17:39.900 West Germany.
00:17:41.000 Um, and it's not like West Germany was like some bastion of capitalism.
00:17:43.580 They were quite socialist really.
00:17:45.320 So there's, there may be as much as an order of magnitude difference between a, the efficiency
00:17:51.240 of, of a competitive private company versus the government.
00:17:55.180 Um, it's so refreshing to hear that in an age of Bernie Sanders and socialists to hear
00:18:01.400 someone saying, yeah, no, it doesn't work.
00:18:03.640 But I think the most surprising thing I heard in this whole speech was what was next.
00:18:09.940 Um, typically the fancy people like Bill Gates and the world economic forum, just the other
00:18:14.020 day, the world economic forum said that there are 95% too many people in the world.
00:18:20.800 I mean, they're depopulation obsessed.
00:18:23.240 I mean, Bill Gates is, is obsessed with reducing population.
00:18:27.140 He says so.
00:18:28.660 Elon Musk was asked about that.
00:18:31.180 He has the opposite point of view.
00:18:33.600 I've never heard this before by anyone at his station in life.
00:18:37.540 Take a listen.
00:18:39.200 There are not enough people.
00:18:40.420 I can't emphasize this enough.
00:18:41.840 There are not enough people.
00:18:43.600 Um, and I think one of the biggest risks to civilization is the low birth rate, uh, and
00:18:50.700 the rapidly declining birth rate.
00:18:53.240 Uh, it is, it is, and yet so many people, including smart people, think that there are too many
00:18:58.340 people in the world and think that the population is growing out of control.
00:19:01.860 It's completely the opposite.
00:19:03.720 Please look at the numbers.
00:19:05.140 Uh, if people don't have more children, civilization is going to crumble.
00:19:09.200 Mark my words.
00:19:09.980 Is this why you have so many children?
00:19:13.420 I'm trying to set a good example.
00:19:16.580 Yeah.
00:19:18.240 You know, gotta practice what I preach.
00:19:21.740 He does.
00:19:22.520 I think he's got seven kids, although I think one passed away.
00:19:24.940 Maybe he has six surviving children.
00:19:26.660 That is a lot of children.
00:19:28.380 Um, now he's a, uh, almost a trillionaire.
00:19:31.700 He's got a couple hundred billion.
00:19:32.840 He can afford many kids, but it's obviously a deeper belief than him.
00:19:37.440 And of course, you don't need to be rich to have children.
00:19:40.100 Um, I want to show you his, I guess, corollary about we need more people.
00:19:46.000 But unlike some really weird, uh, billionaires, he doesn't want to live forever.
00:19:51.640 He doesn't believe, um, in trying to become immortal.
00:19:55.180 Uh, he used the word immortal earlier, if you heard him, to talk about government regulations.
00:20:00.400 But he thinks that we should live and we should die and we should have kids while we're here.
00:20:05.280 Um, I thought this was an interesting comment.
00:20:07.480 He takes a jab at Joe Biden, I think.
00:20:10.040 But he's just talking about, uh, to live your life while you're alive.
00:20:14.380 Take a listen.
00:20:15.680 How are, how are you combating aging?
00:20:17.580 Is there some secret technology we don't know about that you're, that you've got?
00:20:21.860 Um, I am not aware of any secret technology to combat aging.
00:20:26.400 Um, and I mean, I don't, I don't know that we should really try to live for a super long time.
00:20:34.920 Um, I think there is some, it is important for us to die because, you know, most of the times people don't change their mind.
00:20:43.160 They just die.
00:20:43.660 And so, if they, if they, if we live forever, then we might become a very ossified society where new ideas cannot succeed.
00:20:52.540 So, um, but I'm not, I'm not putting fun at aging.
00:20:57.200 I'm just saying, um, you know, if, if we've got, uh, people in, uh, very important positions that have to make decisions that are critical to the security of the country,
00:21:07.940 then they need to have sufficient, uh, presence of mind and cognitive ability to, to make those decisions well, um, because the whole country's depending on them.
00:21:18.860 Mm-hmm.
00:21:19.620 Well, I thought you might say psychedelics.
00:21:21.520 Do you think when he's talking about people, uh, in charge of the national security of the country, uh, having their cognitive abilities,
00:21:28.600 do you think maybe there's a teeny tiny chance he was referring to Joe Biden?
00:21:32.880 I think there's another reason, by the way, we don't want to live forever.
00:21:35.300 And that is life has value precisely because it's limited.
00:21:39.320 If we were to live forever, nothing would have been of any consequence.
00:21:43.240 Nothing would matter because you could just fix it tomorrow or in a year or in a hundred years or a thousand years.
00:21:49.040 But I, I think he does have a good point that we need the generations to pass one to the next.
00:21:54.000 Um, his last comment, I think, was his weakest because I think it was his only inauthentic comment the whole day.
00:22:02.680 I mean, Elon Musk is a self-made man.
00:22:05.640 He controls Tesla unquestionably.
00:22:08.380 He follows his heart.
00:22:10.240 He has side projects.
00:22:11.600 He has a neural link project that he's trying to give, uh, paralyzed people the power of their limbs back.
00:22:18.240 He has his space project.
00:22:20.600 He has his subway project.
00:22:22.800 He's got his, uh, automatically driven cars project.
00:22:26.500 The guy loves to take action on, on whatever his heart desires and his brain suggests.
00:22:32.540 So I think he's one of the freest men in the world.
00:22:35.140 He's beholden to no one, certainly not to the president of the United States and certainly not to any subsidy.
00:22:40.820 But he was asked about China and immediately he changed.
00:22:48.120 And I think we see the one place where Elon Musk does have a master.
00:22:52.820 Of course, he is trying to break into the massive Chinese market.
00:22:56.380 He has a gigafactory in China, if I'm not mistaken.
00:22:59.080 And so you can see when he's asked a question about China, he gives a very vague and meek answer, not as obedient as, say, Disney or the NBA would.
00:23:09.800 But you can see that for the first time in the half hour conversation, suddenly he's thinking, hmm, what will happen to my stock price if I give a politically incorrect answer?
00:23:20.380 Take a look.
00:23:20.820 The United States has been the world's largest economy for as long as anyone can remember.
00:23:27.740 You know, I think U.S. became the largest economy, I don't know, probably 120, 130 years ago.
00:23:34.120 And there's nobody that old really anymore who can remember a time when the United States was not the world's biggest economy.
00:23:42.000 Now we're heading towards a situation where China is going to be probably have an economy two to three times the size of the United States.
00:23:49.780 And so that's just a different world.
00:23:56.060 I do think there's, you know, there are a lot of people in the government in China who kind of grew up with China not being, with China being a small economy.
00:24:06.600 And maybe you feel like China was pushed around a lot.
00:24:12.720 But they haven't fully appreciated the fact that China really is going to be the big kid on the block.
00:24:20.580 And so, like, if you're going to be the big kid on the block, then you can really be pretty chill about things.
00:24:29.320 You know, you don't have to worry about, like, other countries are not really a threat to you if you're by far the biggest kid on the block.
00:24:36.480 And, you know, so I would say it's, that's kind of an important mindset change, hopefully, that China goes through is just, you know, to think, like, if you are the biggest kid, like, how would you want the biggest kid on the block to behave?
00:24:56.140 And now, if you are going to be the biggest kid on the block, then wouldn't you want to behave like you'd want, like you would have wanted the biggest kid on the block to behave?
00:25:05.140 I think that's pretty important.
00:25:11.600 I mean, overall, you know, I think, like, Tesla has a good relationship with China.
00:25:17.800 And I don't mean to endorse everything that China does.
00:25:21.340 Anymore than I would say endorse everything the United States does, or any country.
00:25:25.840 But, you know, overall, I think, yeah, we are headed to an interesting and different world.
00:25:36.500 And I hope that we can remember that, you know, we're all human beings.
00:25:44.100 And, you know, let's just try to have as positive a relationship as possible and, you know, and work towards mutual prosperity of humanity as a whole.
00:25:59.440 Wow.
00:25:59.920 That last answer, would you agree with me, of the 10 clips I showed you, would you agree with me that the last one was the most guarded, the most finessed, that he really thought, well, I better choose my words very carefully.
00:26:11.760 Oh, well, I don't endorse everything they do.
00:26:15.060 Not that I endorse everything America does.
00:26:16.900 And I just hope that we're mutually prosperous.
00:26:21.940 And he was very careful.
00:26:24.820 The one meaningful idea he had was when you're not the biggest kid in the block, you hope the biggest kid in the block is nice to you.
00:26:33.880 When you become the biggest kid in the block, hey, still think like you're the little guy.
00:26:39.000 That works maybe for democracies, but it doesn't work for communist dictatorships that are militaristic, expansionist, and have a chip on their shoulder.
00:26:49.300 I think he sort of gave away the game there.
00:26:52.300 When China is the number three or number two banana, it'll act a certain way.
00:26:56.780 But the minute it gets dominance economically, militarily, diplomatically, and it's on the cusp of all of those things, do you really think China is going to be meek and mild?
00:27:07.680 I think Elon Musk himself does not believe it.
00:27:11.140 That was more a hope he expressed than a prediction.
00:27:15.020 Well, I have to say, Elon Musk is a fascinating man.
00:27:19.440 He's an individual, an independent thinker, much more than Jeffrey Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, or the horrific Bill Gates.
00:27:30.680 I think he believes in liberty much more than the social media tycoons do.
00:27:35.600 I think he's a builder and a dreamer.
00:27:38.140 I think he's an amateur philosopher who actually makes more sense than many of the professional philosophers in our world.
00:27:44.780 And I learned a little bit from him, too.
00:27:47.520 I realized that he no longer gets the subsidy that made me chafe against his company.
00:27:52.960 And I learned that he never asked for them.
00:27:54.680 It was GM that did.
00:27:55.680 He was just happy to take the free money along the way.
00:27:58.820 My esteem went up for him.
00:28:00.620 I hope yours does, too.
00:28:02.120 If I'm wrong, let me know.
00:28:03.560 Send me an email to ezra at rebelnews.com.
00:28:06.620 Stay with us.
00:28:07.340 More ahead.
00:28:14.780 Well, the formerly fascist countries of Austria, Germany, and Italy are trying on that old outfit again.
00:28:23.740 Getting the band back together as they're bringing in the most vicious vaccine mandates ever seen.
00:28:30.200 I think they're actually more strenuous than anything that China itself has done.
00:28:35.380 And now in New Brunswick, Canada, grocery stores have been given the power to ban unvaccinated people from even shopping for basic needs.
00:28:47.240 What's going on in the United States, though?
00:28:49.260 The most important country in the world by many measures and, of course, a country whose lead Canada often follows.
00:28:55.740 Joining us now via Skype is Janine Younis, a lawyer with the new Civil Liberties Alliance, who's been a leading American activist on this file.
00:29:03.660 Janine, great to see you again.
00:29:05.280 So much is going on around the world.
00:29:07.020 We're coming to you for the U.S. update.
00:29:09.700 There's some good news and some bad news.
00:29:11.580 Let's start with the bad news.
00:29:13.120 What's happening in New York City, perhaps the world's most amazing and magical and exciting place?
00:29:20.220 What's the mayor doing to that city?
00:29:23.160 Well, he's destroying it one stroke at a time.
00:29:26.940 Or I should say one press conference at a time because he does not actually sign any orders usually.
00:29:31.860 He just issues these things by a press conference.
00:29:35.100 But the latest is that he has issued a mandate yesterday for private companies to require their employers to get the vaccine.
00:29:42.260 Not only that, but for children ages 5 to 11 to show proof of vaccination, to enter what we would call places of public accommodation.
00:29:49.680 So restaurants, theaters, gyms, etc.
00:29:56.180 So that's essentially mandating vaccines for children of tender years, like five years old.
00:30:02.000 You're forced to vax your kid now.
00:30:03.980 You can't even go to a...
00:30:05.540 Even if you're vaxed yourself, you can't go to a restaurant.
00:30:08.660 Well, yeah.
00:30:09.140 So what these governments are saying is, oh, we're not forcing you to get the vaccine.
00:30:13.940 You know, it's completely ridiculous.
00:30:15.420 You're shutting people out of public life, and now you're putting parents in the position of having to make their children's lives miserable or give them a vaccine that really has not been adequately tested on children.
00:30:25.800 You know, to the extent there are issues with adults in terms of how long this vaccine has been tested and how extensively, those issues are writ large for children.
00:30:34.140 There have been no studies conducted of children with natural immunity, for instance, getting the vaccine.
00:30:39.420 And the studies on children have been much more limited in nature.
00:30:45.540 So this is just a shocking development.
00:30:47.780 And, you know, children face such a low risk of COVID that what's going on here is a bunch of scared adults are using little kids to protect themselves to feel better.
00:30:56.600 It doesn't even work because we know these vaccines aren't very good at stopping transmission.
00:31:01.100 But what they're doing to children is sickening.
00:31:04.120 So I agree.
00:31:05.980 Let's get back to the point you made earlier about requirements on private companies.
00:31:10.780 If I heard you right, does that mean if you're a worker, like you work in, like, let's say, a local – New York has so many little corner stores that have a – it's a little bit of a corner store.
00:31:22.860 It's a little bit of a restaurant.
00:31:24.200 It's a little – like there's so many little places.
00:31:26.740 Often they're owned by new Americans.
00:31:29.060 So these are folks just, you know, visible minorities or whatever.
00:31:32.160 Where they're getting their – they're really the hardworking entrepreneurial small businesses that make New York so interesting.
00:31:38.920 Those places, are they covered by this new rule that their staff have to be vaxxed?
00:31:44.300 Well, it appears that way, Ezra.
00:31:45.880 I mean, the mayor just made a statement at a press conference saying that now private businesses have to do this.
00:31:50.520 So nobody –
00:31:51.320 So he hasn't actually passed a law yet.
00:31:53.620 He's just sort of using the bully pulpit to suggest it.
00:31:57.700 I mean, does he have the power to issue orders like this?
00:32:00.060 Or does it have to come from the New York City Council?
00:32:02.900 It's – it's from the health commissioner, but it's under – again, there's supposed to be an ongoing emergency for something like this.
00:32:09.560 There is no emergency in New York City right now.
00:32:11.940 This is made up.
00:32:14.020 This is just a complete abuse of executive power.
00:32:17.340 I mean, we're seeing it in New York.
00:32:18.740 We're seeing it in other places as well.
00:32:20.640 We're actually seeing it with the federal mandates, although thankfully the courts have been, you know, quite good at reining that in.
00:32:26.940 We'll get into those federal mandates in a minute.
00:32:29.900 I just got one last question for you because I've been looking at the different kinds of groups that are hesitant to take the vaccine.
00:32:38.680 And although in the media party, as I call it, the narrative is, well, it's those right-wing Republicans, you know, the MAGA hat supporters.
00:32:48.640 They're the ones who are objecting.
00:32:51.460 If I'm reading my statistics right, the groups that are the least likely to be vaxxed include African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans.
00:33:02.060 You'll correct me if I'm wrong on that.
00:33:04.720 And, again, that gets back to these corner stores, which are often visible minorities, new immigrants just working hard, often a family business.
00:33:12.520 And the idea that they could be fired from, like, I don't even know how that would work in a family business.
00:33:19.420 If you've got a family business, do you have to fire your own kin because they're not vaxxed?
00:33:26.160 And this is going to hit those immigrant families the hardest.
00:33:28.880 I mean, I care about everybody, but this is a very anti-progressive thing for a so-called progressive mayor to command.
00:33:37.480 Well, this is just along the lines of all of the other policies that so-called progressive politicians have been implementing under the pandemic.
00:33:46.740 I mean, lockdowns harm the poor in the working class the most.
00:33:49.720 Mask mandates harm the poor in the working class the most.
00:33:52.280 You know, I have to wear a mask when there's a mask mandate in my city for a few minutes going into a grocery store.
00:33:57.340 The grocery store workers, on the other hand, have to endure them all day long.
00:34:00.560 They're uncomfortable.
00:34:01.380 They make breathing hard.
00:34:02.960 So I would say this is just a continuation of hypocrisy from the left that we've seen.
00:34:08.060 Well, that's the bad news.
00:34:09.440 But I see little green shoots of good news out there.
00:34:13.440 A number of courts have struck down different forms of President Joe Biden's vaccine mandates.
00:34:18.900 I find that hopeful.
00:34:20.000 Here in Canada, the courts are very, very submissive.
00:34:23.080 No substantial ruling has gone against the government.
00:34:26.720 Can you tell us what the courts are doing with these vaccine mandates?
00:34:32.220 Yeah.
00:34:32.600 So there are sort of four components of the Biden mandate.
00:34:36.940 One is for federal contractors.
00:34:38.780 One is for federal employees.
00:34:41.100 One is for private businesses that employ over 100 people.
00:34:44.620 And then the fourth is health care workers.
00:34:47.480 So three of the four have been struck down by federal courts.
00:34:51.100 And actually, the contractors had just been struck down in three states.
00:34:57.200 But as of about, you know, an hour ago, I got notice that it's actually been extended nationwide.
00:35:01.840 So the only part of Biden's mandate that's currently in effect is the one for federal employees.
00:35:07.380 So this is really good news.
00:35:08.920 And a lot of these decisions, you know, it's about the executive overreach.
00:35:13.000 It's about the fact that Joe Biden doesn't have the right to do this sort of thing.
00:35:17.100 He's abusing his executive power.
00:35:20.400 But there's also a lot of good language, for instance, about is there really an emergency that justifies this?
00:35:27.340 Why aren't we recognizing natural immunity?
00:35:29.940 Do the vaccines really stop transmission?
00:35:31.780 So is there any sort of public health justification for mandates?
00:35:34.220 So these have been really, really good decisions.
00:35:36.680 Unfortunately, a lot of the sort of overarching aspects can't really apply to state or employer mandates of, you know, non-federal.
00:35:48.340 Still, it's a signal to the judiciary that it is acceptable to say no to this.
00:35:54.300 Here in Canada, I feel like all the judges who have weighed in are just an extension of, you know, polite opinion and conventional wisdom.
00:36:04.740 No judge in this country that I have seen, I'm talking about Canada, has given any credence to natural immunity.
00:36:11.260 They've all assumed we're in the worst emergency.
00:36:13.760 I saw a judgment out of Alberta, a judge named Justice Adam Germain.
00:36:18.780 There was no evidence before the court on this.
00:36:20.660 He just said, I'm certain that everyone in the province of Alberta knows at least one person who has died from this virus.
00:36:27.140 Well, actually, only one in 1,500 people has.
00:36:30.780 This judge is extrapolating his own panicked and paranoid lifestyle.
00:36:35.460 I tell you that as an illustration that the judges here are in complete lockstep.
00:36:41.460 It sounds like the judges down there are being a little bit independent-minded.
00:36:45.100 Does that apply to judges who were appointed by Democrats?
00:36:48.100 I know not all judges are partisan, but that is a good way to look at some divides in America.
00:36:53.900 Is there a non-partisan—go ahead, sorry.
00:36:57.820 Oh, yeah.
00:36:58.320 To my knowledge, these are all Republican appointees.
00:37:01.500 I believe that's the case.
00:37:03.600 So I don't know of any Democratic judges who struck these down.
00:37:07.860 And, you know, these are being brought in jurisdictions that are more conservative for a reason,
00:37:13.520 but then you can apply for a nationwide injunction.
00:37:15.440 So, you know, I don't have a lot of hope that judges in blue jurisdictions would be doing the same thing.
00:37:22.320 Okay, I appreciate that caution.
00:37:24.780 But still, the fact that it's happening at all, I mean, I find some glimmer of hope there.
00:37:29.680 Now, how about—let me ask you a political question.
00:37:31.420 I know you're not a partisan person.
00:37:33.600 In fact, my understanding is for many years you considered yourself a Democrat.
00:37:37.880 I look at what happened in Virginia recently and even in New Jersey where it was awfully close.
00:37:44.120 And one of the takeaways is that maybe the Democrat lockdownists have overplayed their hand
00:37:52.340 and that moderates and independents are saying that's too far.
00:37:56.380 We can be more like Florida and Texas, and we don't have to have this kind of strict lockdown.
00:38:01.340 Do you see that the pendulum is swinging back?
00:38:03.760 And that maybe if the lockdownism continues, that 2022 will see a red tide come in?
00:38:12.820 What do you think?
00:38:14.180 I think so, and I hope so.
00:38:16.200 I mean, I think that a lot of moderates are very sick of this.
00:38:20.760 And frankly, I know a lot of Democrats who—even people who are as progressive as me.
00:38:26.260 I mean, I voted for Bernie Sanders in 2016, who are, you know, planning to vote Republican or voting Republican.
00:38:32.440 You know, those are sort of—that's sort of anecdotal, so it's hard for me to get a handle on precisely what percentage of the population it is.
00:38:39.020 And obviously, there's a reason that I'm talking to these people because we all feel similarly.
00:38:43.140 So—but I think—I think they'll be pushed back.
00:38:46.360 And there are just a lot of people who are afraid to speak up and, you know, realize we're living in this cancel culture.
00:38:52.180 We're even suggesting that masks don't work very well to stop the spread of the coronavirus.
00:38:55.780 It's considered heresy, and they keep their mouths shut.
00:38:58.080 But they know at the end of the day it's crazy, and maybe they, you know, like certain things about the Democrats.
00:39:04.300 Maybe they didn't like Trump.
00:39:05.300 But this time around, I think, you know, a lot of those people are going to be voting Republican.
00:39:08.960 And I hope to see a red wave.
00:39:11.040 I want a strong rebuke of the Democrats and their policies that have been crippling Americans.
00:39:16.460 Has it really been a party divide?
00:39:19.180 Like, is it really as simple as red team, blue team?
00:39:22.540 Here in Canada, all five parties in our national parliament are unanimous on all of these pandemic policies.
00:39:30.900 And we have ten provinces in the country.
00:39:33.500 All ten governments and all ten provincial opposition parties are unanimous as well.
00:39:38.540 There's literally not a single person in the government or the official opposition in any jurisdiction in this country that's a skeptic.
00:39:48.100 I find it impossible to believe, but that's a fact.
00:39:52.760 Is it just as simple as red team, blue team in the states?
00:39:56.860 Or are there some Democrats who are skeptics?
00:40:01.000 When it comes to politicians, it seems to be very red team, blue team.
00:40:05.660 Although I do think some of them privately think that some of these policies are extreme.
00:40:10.320 But I think they believe that they're catering to their electorate and that their electorate wants these.
00:40:14.740 You know, I know, obviously, I'm one of them.
00:40:16.680 I know a lot of dissident Democrats, former leftists who, you know, reject all of this.
00:40:22.540 But we are a minority.
00:40:25.020 I mean, most of the people that I've been collaborating with in all my anti-lockdown work are Republicans.
00:40:29.220 And, you know, there's a sort of subset of us who relate to each other because we're, you know, feel very betrayed by the Democratic Party.
00:40:37.000 And so they're not living up to the principles that were the reason that we belong to them in the first place.
00:40:42.020 Last question for you.
00:40:43.080 Be very generous with your time.
00:40:44.300 It's great to catch up with you.
00:40:45.380 You're not just an observer.
00:40:47.000 You're actually in court fighting these battles.
00:40:49.200 And that's that I'm very pleased that you are.
00:40:52.160 Let me ask instead about courts for a minute, though, about pop culture.
00:40:57.040 I mean, some of the most cringeworthy pro-vax propaganda has come from late night TV hosts.
00:41:05.400 I mean, I don't know if you saw this clip.
00:41:08.260 The vax scene.
00:41:10.180 Here, take a quick look.
00:41:11.320 The vaccine.
00:41:12.040 The vaccine.
00:41:22.160 Vaccine.
00:41:46.040 Vaccine.
00:41:50.040 Vaccine.
00:41:52.160 The biggest crime there, Janine, is not how wrong it is.
00:42:05.180 It's how unfunny it is.
00:42:07.300 And all these comedians who are supposed to be entertainers, I don't know if they're being sponsored.
00:42:12.360 I don't know if these are paid advertorials.
00:42:14.560 I think they're ideologically wrong.
00:42:16.400 But the crime is they're just so damn unfunny.
00:42:18.680 Is there any sector in pop culture and entertainment?
00:42:24.320 Like, we've seen a few NBA stars try to object.
00:42:27.660 And they were.
00:42:28.200 That's right.
00:42:28.920 Yeah.
00:42:29.440 Gina Carano, a few other actors have come out against this.
00:42:34.440 But it's so unanimous.
00:42:37.120 Yeah.
00:42:38.100 Well, yeah, it is.
00:42:39.620 I mean, there are a couple.
00:42:40.460 There are Eric Clapton, Van Morrison, both came out against a lot of this.
00:42:45.060 Bill Maher, actually, I think, has been pretty good.
00:42:47.360 And even though I think he's sort of pro-vaccine, he's questioned these mandates and what they're doing.
00:42:55.260 And he's said many times, I don't understand why we're not recognizing natural immunity.
00:42:59.260 So he's one.
00:43:00.260 But I'm not a pop culture person.
00:43:03.720 So I might be missing something.
00:43:05.380 But to my knowledge, it's been pretty bad.
00:43:07.440 And I actually have some actor friends who, you know, from all of this.
00:43:11.400 And they feel very marginalized.
00:43:13.420 They're the only ones.
00:43:14.720 And they can't get jobs.
00:43:15.820 That's another aspect of this.
00:43:17.120 Most of them aren't even permitted to go to do auditions without a vaccine passport.
00:43:23.760 Yeah.
00:43:24.120 Well, I tell you, we're in a crisis.
00:43:26.040 That's for sure.
00:43:27.240 Do you think we're still going to be in this crisis five years from now?
00:43:31.280 You'd think that would be an easy question to answer.
00:43:33.820 In five years.
00:43:34.400 Well, yeah, I have different thoughts about it.
00:43:38.600 I mean, one very interesting development was last night.
00:43:41.520 The New York Times actually posted an article saying that the Omicron variant actually appears to be less deadly.
00:43:46.720 And, you know, it's just been panic form for the last week about Omicron, Omicron, Omicron.
00:43:51.320 So I thought that was an interesting concession.
00:43:53.880 I don't know what that will lead to.
00:43:55.300 I mean, look, the virus is endemic.
00:43:59.540 If it turns out it's less deadly, that is obviously a very good thing.
00:44:04.480 And maybe that will help well some of the panic.
00:44:06.800 But the problem is that the mindset that has led to all of this is not going to go away.
00:44:10.900 Janine, it's what a pleasure to catch up with you.
00:44:12.980 We're so proud of the work you're doing.
00:44:14.640 We didn't talk a lot about your cases, but I know you're fighting hard.
00:44:18.160 You're with the new Civil Liberties Alliance.
00:44:20.440 I love the title of your organization.
00:44:22.660 Great to see you again.
00:44:23.400 Thank you.
00:44:24.500 Great to see you too, Ezra.
00:44:25.780 Thank you.
00:44:26.500 Right on.
00:44:27.400 There you have it.
00:44:27.920 Stay with us.
00:44:28.540 Bye.
00:44:28.680 Hey, welcome back.
00:44:43.900 Your feedback.
00:44:44.580 John Carroll says, I appreciate Mark Morano's observation that there is no longer any political
00:44:49.740 left or right.
00:44:50.440 There is only pro-tyranny and anti-tyranny.
00:44:53.160 Yeah, it reminds me of Janine Yunus, who for her whole life was a Democrat.
00:44:58.120 And suddenly is wondering, where do Democrats go?
00:45:01.880 Democrats and leftists and liberals in this country and the Green Party in this country,
00:45:05.980 they're now pro-Big Pharma.
00:45:08.000 They're against personal privacy.
00:45:10.680 They're abandoned.
00:45:12.140 They're my body, my choice.
00:45:13.680 They just, where on earth did they go?
00:45:16.360 It's pretty incredible.
00:45:17.340 I mean, if you would have told me two years ago that Rebel News was crowdfunding to help
00:45:22.160 union members fight against their union for abandoning them to their corporate masters,
00:45:29.620 I would have said, I don't see it.
00:45:31.580 Here's a letter from Chris N., who says, I follow Rebel News, but as a Frenchman, I have to say
00:45:38.580 this propaganda for Zemmour is disgraceful.
00:45:41.960 Well, listen, I appreciate your point of view.
00:45:45.400 And I think I told you everything I know about Zemmour.
00:45:48.100 I don't know everything about him.
00:45:49.960 But what I know about him is that he has caught the imagination of at least a chunk of Frenchmen.
00:45:57.600 And what's most interesting to me is that although he sounds like a French chauvinist,
00:46:02.520 quoting or citing De Gaulle and Napoleon, he himself is a son of immigrants, a Jew and an Arab.
00:46:10.120 Now, I think that there could well be many reasons to dislike him, reasons I don't even know about.
00:46:17.440 Over the years, I saw that there were many criticisms of Donald Trump.
00:46:20.920 I think I heard them all.
00:46:22.500 Some of them had some merit.
00:46:23.940 Others were just hyperventilating and partisan opposition.
00:46:27.780 I look forward to learning more about Eric Zemmour, and I'm sure we will in the campaign ahead.
00:46:32.540 I know this, Emmanuel Macron, the president of France right now,
00:46:35.900 is about the worst president that country has had in memory.
00:46:38.800 And that's saying quite a lot.
00:46:41.720 Janine Bean, 30, says Robert Kennedy Jr.'s book, The Real Anthony Fauci, is available and illuminating.
00:46:49.700 Well, thank you for telling me that.
00:46:51.280 Again, that's an example of what Mark Morano had to say.
00:46:55.800 Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was someone I would have no time for two years ago.
00:46:59.500 Now he is a leading voice of reason and to push back against overweening government.
00:47:04.160 Didn't expect that from a Kennedy.
00:47:05.340 Speaking of books, let me leave you with a, I'm going to call it our video of the day,
00:47:10.100 but it's actually a kind of ad.
00:47:12.680 It's just a minute or so long.
00:47:15.080 Speaking of books, our friend Dr. Julie Panessi has a new book called My Choice.
00:47:22.020 And I'll leave you with our video of the day.
00:47:23.880 It's a short promotion for her book.
00:47:27.360 I hope you enjoy it.
00:47:28.720 I'll leave you with that video.
00:47:30.040 And until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night.
00:47:35.500 And keep fighting for freedom.
00:47:36.600 My name is Dr. Julie Panessi.
00:47:44.240 I was a professor of ethics at Western University until I was fired for choosing not to take one of the COVID-19 vaccines.
00:47:53.440 I made an ethical choice and it cost me my job.
00:47:57.200 COVID-19 has caused a crisis in healthcare, but it has also triggered a crisis in other institutions we regard as essential to civil progressive society.
00:48:10.180 Academia, especially the sciences, journalism, government, the law, and more broadly, civil discourse, how we talk to each other.
00:48:18.240 In my new book called My Choice, The Ethical Case Against COVID-19 Vaccine Mandates, I discuss how the response to the pandemic is ushering us into a new era,
00:48:30.000 away from the classical liberal world we are leaving behind, and why I think we are living through a pandemic of coercion and compliance.
00:48:38.600 I explain how we have gotten here and how we can grab hold of a safer, freer, more hopeful future.
00:48:45.820 You can get your copy of the book by going to mychoicebook.ca or bookstores everywhere.