EZRA LEVANT ｜ They tried bribery, now they're punishing people with new taxes to take the vaccine
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Quebec's premier announces a new tax on people who refuse to take the flu vaccine. Is this the end of universal health care? Or is it the beginning of the end to universal universal healthcare? And what will happen to the people who don't take the vaccine?
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Hello, my rebels. Today, Quebec's premier has announced a new tax on people who are unvaccinated.
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I don't think he's thought it through. He doesn't have his details or his plans.
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I really don't know how it would be implemented, but really, why should he roll out details or
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plans? Most of the pandemic lockdown has been by press conference or by public statement,
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not even by orders, let alone laws debated and passed in a parliament. That's so old-fashioned,
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that whole parliament thing. Anyways, I'll take you through what it means,
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how it's the end of universal healthcare, and who knows, it might even create vaccine refugees.
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Tonight, first they tried convincing people to take the vaccine. Then they tried bribing people.
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Now they're punishing them with new taxes. It's January 11th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
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Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
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There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
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The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my bloody right to do so.
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It's getting worse, not better. The politics, that is. Actually, the virus itself has never been weaker.
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That's the thing about the Omicron variant. It's spreading like wildfire, but it's really no worse
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than the cold. And it's causing strange things to happen. Healthcare workers who have the virus,
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who are sick with it, they're being told to still go to work, to the hospital or wherever,
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because it's just like a little cold. It's not debilitating. But imagine that you've got coronavirus,
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COVID-19, and you're being asked to go to the hospital to work while people who didn't take the
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vaccine were fired from work. That's probably why you need to work so much. Even though the people
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who were fired may already be immune to it, and I mean actually immune, not what Pfizer says when
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they mean immune, but really immune. So healthy immune people are fired. Sick, fake vaccinated people
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are being called in to cover shifts because the healthy people were fired. Makes sense somehow.
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Oh, here's the Pfizer boss saying that, if you doubt me.
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And we know that the two doses of the vaccine offer very limited protection, if any. The three doses
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with a booster, they offer reasonable protection against hospitalization and deaths.
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Against deaths, I think, very good. And the vaccine is very good.
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Less protection against infection. Now, we are working on a new version of our vaccine,
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the 1.1, let me put it that way, that will cover Omicron as well. And of course,
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we are waiting to have the final results. The vaccine will be ready in March.
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Got it. So two doses of the vaccine offer very limited protection, if any. That's exactly what
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he just said. Well, thanks for that. Now, a year later, how can you literally have that video out in
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the morning and then in the afternoon have Quebec's premier announced that it is going to punish
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anyone who doesn't take the vaccine by enforcing a new tax on them?
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The vaccine is the key to fight the virus. This is why we're looking for a health contribution for adults
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who refuse to be vaccinated for non-medical reasons. Those who refuse to receive their first dose in the
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coming weeks will have to pay a new health contribution. These people put a very important burden
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on our health care network. And I think it's normal that the majority of the population is asking
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that there be a consequence. How does that work? Not 24 hours after the Pfizer CEO says the vaccine
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doesn't actually really work. At least not the first two shots. But trust them, the third shot is
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really great. After that disastrous confession, Quebec goes more extreme than they ever have before,
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more punitive, more obsessed by vaccines that don't work, says the chief vaccine salesman himself.
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How is this going to be implemented? Well, that's precisely the thing. The more their strategy fails,
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the more they need to distract. I actually don't think it was the Pfizer announcement that Legault was
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trying to bury. I think it was this one, the announcement about, on the street, the headline,
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Quebec premier reveals replacement for top health official after sudden resignation. So the last guy quit
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in disgrace. But look at the new guy, Dr. Luc Boileau. I don't know anything about him other than his
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daughter is a personal assistant to Legault's health minister, Christian Dubé. The fact that for some
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reason, the CBC state broadcaster doesn't mention in this story, so the daughter of the new health boss is
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literally part of the government's propaganda arm. You can be sure that Dr. Boileau will do exactly what he's told,
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including this shockingly unethical view for a doctor that sick people ought not to get health
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care in Quebec unless they're vaccinated or pay an unvaccinated tax. How is that part of the
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Hippocratic oath? Do no harm. Are there going to be vaccine refugees from Quebec who can't get treated
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there, who have to go to Ontario or to the States? You're literally telling people they may not have
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treatment in your hospitals and from your doctors. You will turn them away, presumably. We don't see
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the rules yet. If they don't pay a submission tax. As in, you can't convince them. You can't bribe them.
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So you'll find them. You'll get a contribution from them. And presumably, if they don't pay that tax,
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they won't get access to the system. That's the implication. Though it's clear this hasn't been
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thought through any more than anything else in these lockdowns. It's just a desperation move. Now,
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you already know that the unvaccinated are disproportionately minorities, especially black
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people and immigrants. And that's just a fact for whatever reason. So you're either punishing them
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with this new sin tax, as if choosing not to take an experimental injection is a sin. Or you're punishing
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them with no access to health care. Again, we haven't seen the rules. I don't know what they're actually
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going to do. Legault said he wanted it to be a significant tax. He says he thinks $100
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isn't enough. There are some people that spend $100 on a fancy lunch. And then there are some people
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who spend $100 to feed their entire family for a week. Rich or poor, who do you think this tax will
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hurt? And again, hurting them is the point. It's about humiliation and punishment now, not about
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convincing. I think Legault was watching Francis Emmanuel Macron when he said he wanted to, quote,
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shit on the unvaccinated. And Merde. So Quebec announced this today. Do you doubt that dumb
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Doug Ford will follow with something like this tomorrow? I bet New Brunswick will go next.
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So if we continually have outbreaks because of the 10% that refuse to be vaccinated, then we have to go
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to the next level. So I would say accommodation is, you know, you look at flu shots. There's a lot of
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things that we do as routine. This needs to be routine. But we have to decide first and know that
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would that 10% be jeopardizing our health system? And right today, I think because we haven't
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stabilized with this COVID virus, we don't know that. But that is a key factor on how hard you need to go.
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Yeah, he's a conservative. It's so odd. In some ways, I see things getting better, largely because
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Joe Biden, the Democrat is in big trouble. So the public health deep state and the media party,
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they're doing what they need to do to pivot, as they say. Here's Jake Tapper on CNN, just furious to
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learn that public health statistics about COVID deaths have been inflated. He's just discovered this
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now and he's mad. But if 40% in some hospitals, 40% of the people who have COVID don't necessarily
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have problematic COVID. They're there because they got in a car accident. They're there because
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they bumped their head. And they're being included as in the hospital with COVID. That number seems
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kind of misleading. Yeah. Here's the head of the CDC. I've been talking about that for this for nearly
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two years. Take a listen. The overwhelming number of deaths over 75% occurred in people who had at least
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four comorbidities. So really, these are people who were unwell to begin with. They all wanted the
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maximum number of sick and dying to dislodge Donald Trump. Now they want the minimum number of sick and
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dying to prop up Biden. They're all talking about living with COVID now. Not all of them, but the
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politically nimble ones. But here in Canada, it's the harshest it's ever been. Curfews again in Quebec,
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for heaven's sakes. And the civil liberties people hiding as usual. Okay. How about the media speaking
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truth to power, skeptical of punishing the sick and the poor, worried about the idea of breaking the
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universality of healthcare? Why they couldn't be happier. Here's CTV in Montreal, literally laughing
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at the prospect of people being punished. Oh, LOL. Laugh out loud. That's a respectable news reporter,
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people. He's not one of those rebels. He deleted that tweet after Marie Oakes retweeted it. Why?
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Is he in Paris piety? Is he trying to pretend he's neutral and fair? He let the mask slip for a minute?
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Here's a senior Trudeau liberal, Bruce Anderson. It was only a matter of time. It's rational to say you
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can't just ignore urgent health guidance and use up all the public health resources in the crisis.
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It's rational to put in barriers and penalties for those who won't comply with rules to protect lives
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and livelihoods. Yeah, but that's just not true, Bruce. Most people with the virus are actually
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vaccinated. Most people in the hospital are vaccinated. Stop lying, please. Here's a former
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new Democrat candidate cheering on attacks for the poor, cheering on the end of universal Medicare.
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That's a bit weird. Michael Byers says, a health tax for unvaccinated adults? Yes, please.
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Here's a left-wing bailout reporter named Max Fawcett. He says, good. Every other province
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should follow in the ghost footsteps here. Here's the Toronto Star, which stands up for the little
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people. That and I don't mind as much. Greece did this more or less. Here's McLean's another bailout
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media company. Stephen Marr says, not sure how difficult it will be to implement if bureaucratic
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hurdles, legal challenges, and political blowback will make it impossible. Best thing would be if it
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becomes irrelevant after Omicron ebbs. So not a word against any of this from conservative
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political opponents, political leaders that I've seen so far. Have you? You seen Aaron O'Toole weigh in
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on this? That's a joke. It's punitive. It's punishing the unvaccinated, even though the vaccines
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don't really work, even according to the vaccine maker. Fired, unvaccinated people are being
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desperately called back to work in some hospitals. They've fired too many of them. It's a total mess.
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Total failure by every politician. So of course, ratchet up the blame and the punishment.
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That's why this will ramp up, even though the narrative is crumbling. It's because the narrative
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is crumbling that they must ratchet it up so that their shouts and screams hide their own failures.
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This is a health expert that CTP had on to harangue the unvaccinated for not being healthy like him.
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Now that's a sense of humor. But really, as the CDC boss said, 75% of the people who died
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actually died from four or more underlying problems, being super fat, the main one. So
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maybe that fat guy there should pay more himself? Should people who smoke or smoke pot or drink or
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drive fast cars or go downhill skiing or whatever, whatever risk, maybe they should all be punished
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too? I don't think the leftists would ever accept that. That totally goes against universality of
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health care. They actually are loving taxes on people they consider low class. That's what it is.
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It's not low economic class. Their aesthetics, their taste, the sins of the ruling class are always high
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class. They're against beer, but they love champagne. They hate dirty little cigarettes, but cigars are
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fancy. They'll mock people who go to McDonald's, but they love cheesecake. Did you take my meaning?
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The ruling class are hypocrites. It's more than hypocrisy. It's hierarchy. They don't have to
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follow the rules for themselves. They just want a scapegoat to blame for anything. Mark my words,
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this will spread across Canada. Taxes and fines and what? Maybe soon jail? Stay with us for more.
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The vaccine is the key to fight the virus. This is why we're looking for a health contribution for
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adults who refuse to be vaccinated for non-medical reasons. Those who refuse to receive their first
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dose in the coming weeks will have to pay a new health contribution. I know the situation is tough,
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but the vaccine is the key to fight the virus. This is why we're looking...
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Well, there you have it. Quebec Premier Francois Legault is saying he will ask, not ask, compel
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people who for whatever personal or medical reasons, he claims he'll accept medical exemptions,
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but we know they have dismissed most medical exemptions and suspended doctors who have given
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medical exemptions. But they claim that without one caveat, they will start to levy a contribution
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from people who are unvaccinated. And in CTV's story on the subject, which is breaking just as we record
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this, the Premier said $50 to $100 is not enough in his mind. Well, joining us to talk about this
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new tax, I guess you would call it, is the person who knows a lot about taxes, our friend Franco
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Teresano, the Federal Director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. Franco, great to see you.
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He's calling it a contribution, but politicians always use words other than tax. They use levy,
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they sometimes use contribution. It's really a tax on the unvaccinated, isn't it?
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Yeah, that's correct. We heard the Premier say contribution, but make no mistake about it,
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this would be a tax. And no, the Canadian Taxpayers Federation does not support a new tax on
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Canadians. And Ezra, you know, there is a lot of uncertainty going around right now,
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but here's what we do know. We're not going to tax our way out of a pandemic.
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Yeah. Isn't that the truth? It's sort of funny because we've seen governments try everything.
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We've seen them pay cash to people who will get the jab. We've seen in some jurisdictions,
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lotteries, you can win a huge prizes. We've seen Krispy Kreme give free donuts. I'm not sure if that's
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a public health matter, but I guess they've moved from the carrot to the stick. I mean, I'm just trying
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to think how this works. I mean, you get your tax form and you fill out questions. I don't know how
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they would cross reference that with your health records. I mean, most people pay taxes, I think,
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once a year. And when would you be forced to pay this and how and who's going to be the tax collector?
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I mean, I remember when the GST was brought in. That's how old I am, Franco. I don't know if you
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were even born back then, but just the administrative hassle of how do you do it and how do you get every
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tax accountant to do it right? And like, it was such an enormous undertaking. I don't even know how
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you would go about collecting and checking and how would this tax even work? I don't know. I don't
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think they have that figured out yet. Well, there's a lot of questions, but I have a big
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question. It's why whenever there's this problem that politicians are looking to solve, their answer
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is always to hit taxpayers with higher taxes or new taxes, right? We've been in this pandemic for
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nearly two years now. And is this really the best solution that they can come up with is to hit
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Canadians with a new tax? Really? Is that the best that they can do?
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Hmm. That's a great point. You know, there's another point. And, you know, for a long time,
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if you asked Canadians, what makes Canada, Canada? It's hard to believe now, but there was a point
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in time when a lot of people would have said Medicare. That's what makes us different. And
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there was this whole mythology around how we're so much better and so different than Americans. And
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no matter what your circumstances are, you'll be covered in Canada. We heard horror stories of
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Americans who were bankrupted because they didn't have health insurance. And so the idea of
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universality was such a liberal, you know, core tenet of belief and that everyone's covered no
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matter what. This seems to be, you know, yet another admission that that's not really real.
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If you're going to charge people extra taxes based on and say you're not going to have access
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to health care without him, I don't think you can actually call yourself a universal health care
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system. And they're trying to control this behavior with taxes. Well, what's to stop them
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from controlling other behaviors with taxes? And maybe they should. But, you know, and that's the
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thing. If you're going to tax a fit young person who has made the decision that the risk of the virus
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is actually lower than the risk of the vaccine, are you going to tax someone who's fat? And I ask
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with some personal interest in that. Are you going to tax someone who drinks? Are you going to
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tax someone who, you know, rides without a bike helmet? Are you going to tax someone who goes
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ice climbing or rock climbing? I mean, if you are, fine, but don't pretend that you're some
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universal health care system anymore. Well, I think that we definitely needed to have a very
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frank conversation about reforming the health care system even before the pandemic. But of course,
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COVID-19 has really put the spotlight on some of the issues with our health care system. I mean,
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for starters, taxpayers in Canada pay an arm and a leg for health care, but we don't get the best
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services for all the money that we're spending. So certainly I think the Canadian Taxpayers Federation
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is open to talking about new solutions in the health care system, right? Letting businesses,
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letting entrepreneurs play a bigger role in delivering health care services to relieve some
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of the burdens on the government health care system. But here's the thing. I mean, the last thing that
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Canadians need are new taxes, right? Many Canadians are struggling through the pandemic. So many people
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lost their job, took a pay cut. Many small businesses are seeing their revenue evaporate before the very
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eyes. And the last thing that we need in Canada is a new tax. And make no mistake about it, that's a new
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tax. You're exactly right. And listen, I wasn't suggesting that we necessarily should start taxing
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all these other behaviors. I'm just pointing out that once upon a time, the left said, don't you worry,
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you're covered, rich or poor, black or white, we're all in this together. Now it's clear that we're not.
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I want to make one last point. And again, it's the left. They use the phrase progressive taxes or
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regress of taxes. And here's what I mean. If you're a millionaire, what does 50 or 100 bucks
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mean to you? Not a lot. If you're a working class person, if you're unemployed, 50 or 100 bucks is a
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lot. And by the way, we happen to know some demographics about the people who are unvaccinated.
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And for whatever reason, people who are black or other minority groups have a much lower vaccination
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rate than white people do. And I'm just telling you what the data says. So if you're going to charge
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50 or 100 bucks, that's one of the things Legault was banding about. He said that's not significant
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enough. And it's going to fall harder on young people, unemployed people, minorities, new immigrants.
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That's something that the left would call a regressive tax, yet they're proudly imposing it on their own
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people. I'm with you. No new taxes. But of all the taxes to choose, to tax a minority, a poor person,
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a fixed sum, that's regressive. Well, I think it would definitely hurt, right? And the last thing
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we need right now is a new tax in Canada. But Ezra, I mean, we're chatting a little bit about this
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offline, and I think it ties into what we're talking about right now. Look, you have these politicians that
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they say that there's these problems, and their so-called solutions is always to put in a new tax
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or raise taxes, right? Just look at home prices right now, right? Yes, we do have a problem where
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there are sky-high home prices in Canada. And now we learn that the federal government is using our tax
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dollars to dream up new ways to hammer Canadian homeowners. We actually just saw a report funded by
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the CMHC, and their solution, get this, their solution to rising home prices is to hammer Canadian
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homeowners with a new tax, right? That is outrageous. But Ezra, one of the big debates on GHG
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emissions, well, these politicians' so-called solution to the environment is the carbon tax. But
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Ezra, we have seen for years, even in BC, where they had the highest carbon tax in Canada, the carbon
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tax did work. Emissions continued to go up and up and up. You know what? They're coming at us about
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five different ways. Franco, you guys are one of the few advocates for taxpayers. Your website's
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taxpayer.com. It's a great website. And the reason we love talking with you is you are one of the few
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groups in Canada that is not funded by the government. So you can be independent. You're
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non-partisan, and you hold everyone to account. We're grateful to be friends with you. And I know this
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just broke minutes before we had you on the show. But I think your point is a solid one. You're not
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going to tax your way out of a pandemic. This is absolutely a tax. And I think, I hope that you
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guys at the Taxpayers Federation take this and run with it, because someone's got to. And I think it
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really, it's going to fall to you, because I think the rest of the media party and the political media
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establishment is going to love it. But I wish you good luck, my friend. Well, Ezra, thanks so much for
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having me on today. Well, it's our pleasure. There you have it, Franco Teresano from taxpayer.com.
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Hey, welcome back. Your letters to me. Carrie says, Avi is correct. Australians are mad at the
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government, not Novak. The disgusting discrimination and political posturing is something we are all over.
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Well, it's funny. I want to show you, you know what? There's a rule in the TV biz or radio biz.
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Always assume the cameras are running. Always assume the microphone's on. I want to play for you
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a TV station in Australia. There's going to be some foul language here. Look how they're talking
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about Novak Djokovic. You just got to watch. This is incredible. Take a look.
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Whatever way you look at it, Novak Djokovic is a lying, sneaky.
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Like, whatever way you look at it, it's unfortunate that everybody else stuffed up around him.
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That's it. I mean, a**hole. Like, to go out when you know you're COVID-positive. Well,
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I don't think he was even COVID-positive. I don't think that form is a**hole.
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He got a bull******hole. He just in there fell over his own f***ing eyes, which is what happens,
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right? Yeah. That's what's happened. And then him now then ticking, he didn't go to Spain.
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Yeah. It's just like... Yeah. Yeah. But I think he's going to get away with it.
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Well, he is going to get away with it. Yeah. I just... But he's... I think most fair-minded
00:25:45.220
people would say, look, the blokes are an a**hole. Did they do the right thing by him? I don't
00:25:51.560
know. No, I don't... I don't think so. That's the problem, isn't it? I don't think... I don't
00:25:58.800
think anything was gained by putting him in... No. In immigration. No, I don't think
00:26:04.900
so. But the trouble is, how do you justify that person's on the same plane with him who
00:26:09.340
also has... You can't justify it. But the fact is, life is never fair. Yeah. Some people
00:26:15.600
fly first class and some people... Yeah. Do you know what? Like, it's never fair. But
00:26:19.980
that poor Czech girl that was f***ing sent home, hunted down and sent home. But you know
00:26:25.260
what? Yeah. He's arrogant. He's a troublemaker. He followed the rules they told him to follow.
00:26:30.540
They approved him. And by the way, he actually is immune. He's not faking it. He got sick
00:26:35.440
and now he's better. That's just incredible. Sean DeLapp says, those who preach tolerance
00:26:41.180
are usually the most intolerant people on the planet. Tolerance to them means agreeing with
00:26:45.320
all their ideas, no matter how wacky. Say anything different to them, and they will set out to ruin
00:26:50.040
your life and getting you sacked from your job. These people are seriously lacking in the self-awareness
00:26:54.940
department that they don't realize everything they claim. They're everything they claim to hate.
00:26:59.320
I think that is exactly true. And I think this whole anti-bullying thing... And all the people
00:27:04.620
who remember once a year, there's this Bell Let's Talk mental health moment where Bell Media just
00:27:11.300
pretends to care about mental health for a couple of days. And they get all these people to... Those same
00:27:17.340
people are the locker-downers who've caused more mental health and depression and drug addiction
00:27:22.900
through this lockdown than anything else in history. Hey, no bullying, though. Hey, mental
00:27:28.200
health, though, right? I don't buy it. Chuck Andrews says, New Brunswick got rid of that troublemaker
00:27:34.320
Gabriel Girard, who dared to keep the death rates at zero with that Trumpish hydroxychloroquine.
00:27:42.800
Well, I don't know the story of Mr. Girard or Dr. Girard. I don't know who he is. But that's the thing,
00:27:47.680
is in Canada, if you get sick, they don't really treat you. They just say, stay home. They don't
00:27:53.660
prescribe you azithromycin or hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin. They just sort of be sick until you're
00:28:01.020
so sick you have to go to the hospital and maybe they put you on a ventilator, God forbid. So we're
00:28:06.880
not actually treating the virus. That's weird. The only thing they're obsessed by is a vaccine that
00:28:12.620
doesn't really work. Why don't they talk about other solutions? That's odd to me, isn't it?
00:28:19.300
Anyways, that's our show for the day. I'm going to say goodbye to you now. Until next time, on behalf
00:28:23.680
of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, good night and keep fighting for freedom. And I want to
00:28:27.700
end with a video of the day from Drea talking to former Conservative MP Kenny Chu, who's speaking about
00:28:35.020
securing Canadian election integrity, especially from Communist China. Take a look at this video. We'll see you tomorrow.
00:28:40.260
Throughout the years, the Canadian Security Intelligence Services ceases and other national
00:28:48.320
security apparatus have actually warned the government of Canada, Canadian, that Canada
00:28:53.540
is subject to foreign interference, be that from People's Republic of China, but also Russia
00:28:59.700
and Iran, etc., foreign powers. And that is why this act, not specifying, not specifically aiming
00:29:09.480
against a certain country. It's, in my perspective, from my point of view, it's so much needed. Because
00:29:16.480
we need that to bring it down from under the table to above the table. As somebody infamous said,
00:29:24.340
you know, sunlight is the best disinfectant of things. Transparency will help media such as yourself
00:29:30.340
to hold government to account, to hold people to account, officials to account. That is why
00:29:36.480
I want to introduce this, even though according to the House of Commons rules, there's very little
00:29:42.680
chance that this will see the night of day in the House of Commons because of the ranking.
00:29:49.160
Just how vulnerable are Canada's federal elections to risks like foreign interference from powers like
00:29:54.700
the Chinese Communist Party and voter fraud? This report is one of more to come discussing just that.
00:30:01.540
Andrea Humphrey here with Rebel News. And the next election will occur no later than October of 2025.
00:30:11.220
But considering the federal liberals were so thirsty to try yet fail at gaining a majority government
00:30:17.580
last year, they were willing to call our most expensive election during a proclaimed pandemic.
00:30:23.900
It would not surprise me one bit to see another snap election called much sooner than in three
00:30:30.500
years. But all speculation aside, one thing is for certain. Whenever our next federal election
00:30:38.120
ends up happening, we the people deserve to have valid results. The democratic process that surrounds
00:30:45.680
our elections is a staple for our democracy. Without it being completely in check, how can we truly know
00:30:53.720
if the public officials who get their seats are sitting there because they were democratically
00:31:00.400
elected by Canadians? Now, recently, I've looked into two concerns surrounding the integrity of our
00:31:08.560
federal elections. In one example, I interviewed a man in BC named Robert Paddock, who is one of at least
00:31:16.280
a group of people who, despite not being Canadian citizens, received a voting card addressed to them
00:31:25.860
Yeah, it actually says straight on here, you have to be a Canadian citizen. But the problem is that
00:31:31.180
there's a couple problems with that, actually. Now, for being a permanent, like, it actually says you
00:31:36.880
have to come in with a photo ID to actually vote, because you ought to be familiar with the fact that
00:31:41.460
there are two lists. One is a bunch of people were on some kind of list to receive these in the
00:31:46.120
first place. This is not actual registration for voting. This is just to say, hey, you're in the sort of
00:31:51.700
system that you can be aware of the fact that you can now go and register officially. But it's a
00:31:56.520
stepping stone towards voting. And it's also a stepping stone to maybe potentially abusing that
00:32:02.440
vote. Now, I'll do a separate report going over how that can be a mistake sometimes. But what you
00:32:09.300
should know right now in this report is that when I try to get a specific answer to how prevalent a
00:32:16.000
problem non-Canadian citizens actually voting in our last two federal elections turned out to be,
00:32:22.900
I was told by the Office of Commissioner of Canada Elections that they are not at liberty to disclose
00:32:30.060
such information. But as always, this is Rebel News. We don't back down from investigative journalism,
00:32:36.360
so I'll be digging deeper into that because Canadians deserve to know the answer to that question.
00:32:43.000
But since we don't receive millions of dollars from the federal government's media bailout,
00:32:48.860
I'm going to have to ask you guys to help me do so. If you enjoy and appreciate our independent
00:32:55.520
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what you can there. And of course, we appreciate and need your support. Now, in today's report,
00:33:15.540
you're going to hear about another concern surrounding our elections. I sat down to interview
00:33:20.160
a former conservative MP of the Steveson Richmond East riding in BC, Kenny Chu. Chu lost his seat to
00:33:27.820
the now liberal MP Parm Baines by a margin of less than 10% in the last election. And after that,
00:33:34.240
he publicly raised concerns about what he believes to have been a targeted misinformation campaign
00:33:41.340
against him, likely fueled by foreign influences in China. Take a listen to the latest on that
00:33:48.500
situation from Chu himself. So I introduced a private member's bill. It's called Bill C-282.
00:33:57.600
And Bill C-282 is termed Foreign Influence Registry Act. And the whole point is to bring transparency
00:34:06.700
to foreign influence in Canada. And it's modeled after the Australians. What basically it's we are
00:34:17.360
demanding that go between the foreign government and our government officials, be it senators or MPs,
00:34:25.320
if they are lobbying on behalf of a foreign entity, that they register and make that public to
00:34:32.300
Canadians through media such as yours, so that Canadians can actually judge it with their own
00:34:38.360
eyes. It's just a transparency act. It should have been called the Foreign Influence Transparency Act.
00:34:44.920
But, you know, it's been labeled as anti-Chinese and anti-China.
00:34:51.660
Right. I saw a statement of that. I believe it was on WeChat, an article or something went up and it
00:34:58.220
indicated that you yourself were anti-Chinese because of the bill. Help me make some sense of
00:35:06.020
that. I believe you're from Hong Kong, aren't you? Well, I'm from Hong Kong. I was born in Hong Kong. But
00:35:12.280
I came to Canada at the age of 17, 18. But prior to that, I've been immersed in Chinese literature.
00:35:20.760
My education is in mother tongue Cantonese, Chinese history and all that. So I know a thing or two about
00:35:28.440
the country China, even though I was born in Hong Kong. The bill itself, the irony is that to avoid
00:35:36.840
political attack like that, we've deliberately avoid naming countries in the bill itself. We want to
00:35:45.000
leave it to the experts and the bureaucrats, such as those in CISIS or NCCOP, for them to actually
00:35:54.520
help us fill out which countries this registry act should pass would be applicable to. And so the bill,
00:36:03.080
if you look at it, it did not mention any country by name at all. So for, you know, some people to be
00:36:09.960
misled, to think that it's targeting certain individuals, let alone anti-Chinese, it's too rich.
00:36:19.320
Well, I think when we talk about the dangers of foreign interference with elections, Beijing does come
00:36:26.360
to mind as well as Russia. So what would you say in particular about the people who did read this
00:36:33.560
article or multiple articles? What was it about them that maybe made them conclude that it was anti-Chinese?
00:36:42.440
Well, it's not us, it's not anybody who indicated the foreign influence. In fact, throughout the years,
00:36:50.760
the Canadian Security Intelligence Services ceases and other national security apparatus have actually
00:36:59.400
warned the government of Canada, Canadian, that Canada is subject to foreign interference, be that from
00:37:05.720
People's Republic of China, but also Russia and Iran, etc., foreign powers. And that is why this act,
00:37:15.400
not specifying, not specifically aiming against certain country, it's, in my perspective, from my
00:37:23.080
point of view, it's so much needed. Because we need that to bring it down from under the table to above
00:37:29.720
the table. As somebody's infamous said, you know, sunlight is the best disinfectant of things.
00:37:36.840
Transparency will help media such as yourself to hold government to account, to hold people to account,
00:37:42.600
officials to account. That is why I want to introduce this. Even though, according to the
00:37:49.240
House of Commons rules, there's very little chance that this will see the night of day in the House
00:37:56.120
of Commons because of the ranking. I still want to do that because it is something that we need to
00:38:03.240
So when did things start to seem as though they were going awry in your campaign? Did you notice
00:38:09.560
before the actual results of the election that something was fishy? Tell us about when the signs
00:38:17.880
Well, I would argue this even way before the elections, at the beginning of my term as
00:38:23.320
a member of parliament, I went to Hong Kong to participate in an independent elections observation
00:38:32.200
mission in 2019, a few days after I was born in as the member of parliament. Because throughout 2019,
00:38:41.720
I believe we discussed that earlier before, Hong Kong has actually undergone severe struggles.
00:38:50.520
There's a lot of instability. The way I see it is, the Hong Kong government is trying to resolve
00:38:56.680
a political problem using a brute force police solution, which is wrong. And the district council
00:39:04.280
election would present the Hong Kong people a political way of solving the political problem. And
00:39:10.360
surely they did. And with 300,000 Canadian passport holders living in Hong Kong, it's important
00:39:17.880
that Hong Kong gets back to the normal as soon as possible. That's why I decided to jump in. And
00:39:23.800
that's when it actually first started. I was being portrayed as an activist. I was being portrayed as
00:39:31.240
anti-China. And then, of course, the pandemic came. The Canadian government never listened to
00:39:39.560
parliament's demand, for example. We wanted to shut down border way back in late January, early February.
00:39:49.000
Flights from China, Wuhan, for example. Back when it was considered racist to do so. Exactly, exactly. The
00:39:55.880
irony is that we heard those complaints, guess what, from people from China. They were calling our office,
00:40:05.160
WeChatting our office, asking us, why are we not shutting down flights with Wuhan, China? These are
00:40:11.560
Chinese nationals. And so, you know, the Liberal government never did anything. And they were
00:40:17.480
delayed until pretty much the WHO admitted that, yes, it's a pandemic. By then, it's already spread
00:40:23.480
around the world. So 2020, it was a very tough year. But 2021, if people recall, in February,
00:40:33.720
the Parliament of Canada had actually passed a motion. Those who actually voted had all voted
00:40:42.040
unanimously in support. It's the Uyghur Muslim treatment in Xinjiang fulfilling the definition
00:40:48.280
in the UN of genocide. And that was actually passed, like I said, multiple parties, Liberals included,
00:40:55.960
NDP and all that. But for that, the committee that I was sitting on, International Human Rights
00:41:03.320
Committee subcommittee, I was the vice chair, they got sanctioned together with the Conservative MP,
00:41:09.960
Michael Chong. It's kind of weird because everywhere else, the US, whatever, they always sanctioned the
00:41:17.080
government people, the people who were responsible, people with power. Never, very seldom that you,
00:41:23.400
you sanction an opposition MP and a subcommittee in the Parliament for that matter. But that provided the
00:41:30.200
foundation of the foundation of attack for many of my detractors. They start accusing me of being
00:41:35.720
sanctioned by China. They start accusing me of anti-China, not just anti-Chinese. All the subsequent
00:41:42.360
anti-Asian racism, because I wasn't invited or provided the opportunity to show my support for my Asian-Canadian
00:41:52.520
constituents, I was being labeled as supportive of the anti-Asian racism. And even though
00:42:00.200
I spoke very prominently in the English Richmond News, called Richmond News, even that there were
00:42:09.160
people accusing me on-air Chinese radio stations that I've solemnly heard, never showed up on Richmond
00:42:17.000
News and all that. So it's filled with disinformation and complete false accusation. Bill C-282 added
00:42:27.400
towards those campaign. And it culminated and climaxed during the election, basically.
00:42:34.520
Do you think if those rumors had not taken place, you would have been re-elected?
00:42:39.480
Well, the election winning and losing, it's very complex and complicated matters.
00:42:44.440
There are definitely lessons that I've learned, how I could possibly articulate my view and our
00:42:51.400
party's platform better to Canadians, Chinese or not, in Chiefs and Richmond News. How we could actually get
00:42:58.280
our people out, our supporters out to vote. There are many, many issues. But in an election that is
00:43:07.160
impacted by COVID pandemic, an election that suffered very low voter turnout rate, in a highly polarized
00:43:16.840
election such as this. Having a few hundred votes away from one side to the other, it's actually
00:43:24.280
sufficient in changing the result of that. My colleague, Alice Wong, for example, in Richmond Centre
00:43:32.760
was, had lost, you know, thousands of votes compared to 2019. And she lost by 300 votes,
00:43:39.720
just like that. And this is not unique to the Richmans, but also throughout Canada. Somebody did an
00:43:48.440
analysis comparing, listing out the highest Chinese voter demographic writings, and then comparing with
00:43:59.720
the regional and also provincial conservative support. And they realized that there is a correlation,
00:44:06.120
actually a reverse correlation with the regional and the provincial trend, meaning that the Chinese
00:44:14.840
Canadians are subject to some kind of special campaign. Wow. Now, you were one of the first to come forward
00:44:22.120
with this shortly after the election, with this concern. But now my understanding is that there's 13 different
00:44:28.760
ridings that are in question. What can you tell us about those locations and ridings?
00:44:33.480
I read that on media report as well. I believe it was a ceases talking to conservative colleagues.
00:44:42.040
I believe these are all mostly urban ridings. The greater Vancouver areas, also in greater Toronto
00:44:50.280
areas. For example, the highest concentration of Chinese Canadian or Canadian of Chinese descent is,
00:44:58.040
if I'm not mistaken, Markham Unionview in Toronto, Richmond Centre in BC, and Seafs and Richmond East.
00:45:06.040
And these three were held by conservative members and now lost, all three of them. And in addition,
00:45:13.320
there's also other ridings such as Coquitlam, then also in Calgary. If I'm not mistaken, even a stronghold like
00:45:27.560
Michelle Rample, she actually had lost a significant number of votes as well.
00:45:32.680
Hers is also considered an urban Calgary riding. So how do you relate? How do you find out the
00:45:40.680
reason? That's that takes a lot of effort. But the fact that all these ridings, like I said,
00:45:46.440
if you line them up by the Canadian of Chinese descent ranking, then then you will see a pattern.
00:45:53.560
And have you been kept in the loop about what's happening with the investigation from our national
00:45:59.320
security? And if so, what can you tell us about that? Well, actually, they've contacted me even prior
00:46:07.080
to the election was called. We sat down and they explicitly asked me not to disclose what we've
00:46:13.320
talked about. But you know, needless to say, national security, foreign interference is a subject they're
00:46:23.240
very concerned. And in fact, so much so that after I start getting feedback on some of the screenshots
00:46:31.080
that are circulated, reading some of the articles that are available on WeChat, and hearing some of the
00:46:38.920
commentators, their comments on air, this CRTC regulated radio station in Canada, I became so
00:46:49.400
concerned that I've actually called them up. And they came to my campaign office. And we had another
00:46:58.440
long chat about what happened. And I provided them the information. I asked them about, you know,
00:47:04.440
follow up, but they refused, they are not going to disclose, you know, if or not, they are investigating
00:47:10.760
further. But, you know, surely enough, they are, they are so concerned that they wanted to receive all
00:47:17.080
these screenshots that I provided them. The other thing is, remember, we, we were talking about a year
00:47:23.800
ago, during the summer 2020, at a protest, supporting the two Michaels, and also the returning of their
00:47:32.760
them safely. I was very clear that in my speech, and also my presence, that I'm not an activist.
00:47:41.320
I've been a member of parliament, and my role is to show the support. I said in the meeting there,
00:47:48.600
while Meng Wanzhou is wrapping dumplings, a few kilometers away from where the protest was held,
00:47:57.080
the two Michaels were incarcerated in places that we don't know where. And they were, their personal
00:48:04.360
freedom was significantly hampered. And one cannot even provide them with reading material or reading
00:48:12.360
glasses, for that matter. For that, subsequent to the report, and especially during the election,
00:48:19.640
I was attacked. I was attacked for taking a political stand, siding myself with the Hong Kong
00:48:24.920
activists, and that I, I'm anti-China. So all these are, are basically half-truths, and sometimes
00:48:33.320
completely falsehood, just to chop sweet together, to make a narrative work. And that is, I'm anti-China,
00:48:41.640
I'm anti-Chinese. Matter of fact is, I'm pro-Canada.
00:48:44.440
Well, we see that in lots of different examples. It's such a polarization. If you
00:48:49.960
support something, it automatically concludes that you're against something. A lot of people
00:48:54.280
had concerns about the organization Black Lives Matters, and if they voiced that, then they were
00:48:59.800
against black people, even if they were black. Exactly. It's a, it's a crazy world out there,
00:49:05.960
but there are, there are special interest people making use of these polarizations in their own
00:49:14.120
interests, for sure. Well, thank you so much for sitting. I think this is such an important
00:49:18.520
conversation. There were warnings of this before, and now we're seeing this. So hopefully something
00:49:23.640
gets done, and we'll be following this closely at Rebel News. Thank you so much.
00:49:27.720
Thank you. Thank you, Drea, and Merry Christmas to everybody. I, I look forward to hearing more from
00:49:34.360
media such as, such as yourself, in shading, in casting some more light into this, because this is
00:49:40.840
only the, the, the service under the ice. We, we know that there is also intimidation by Iranians,
00:49:48.760
by Russians, and also, of course, the, the PR, the PR China. And it's important that Chinese
00:49:56.200
or any other foreign power be kept at bay. And in the day and age, I think the government of Canada
00:50:02.920
need to start not only protecting our electoral integrity, but also Canadian safety, especially.
00:50:12.360
We have for a long time not been doing that. Absolutely agree. Thank you.
00:50:20.760
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00:50:26.840
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00:50:32.520
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