EZRA LEVANT ｜ To be candid, I am more worried about life in Canada than Israel following the Jewish 9⧸11
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Candice Malcolm, the founder of True North Media and founder of Western Standard Online, joins Ezra on The Ezra LeVant Show: A One-On-One Interview with Candice Malcolm. In this interview, Candice talks about the impact of the attack in Israel on October 7th, 2019, and why she's worried more about Canada than about Israel.
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Hello, my friends. Great show today. Boy, we're talking to a great Canadian builder and thinker.
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I'm talking about my friend Candice Malcolm. You may know her as the founder of True North,
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which is one of the few independent media companies in Canada. So you're in for a treat.
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But hey, can I invite you to get the video version of this show? We do the show every
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shows. Just go to rebelnewsplus.com and click subscribe. All right, here's our interview.
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Tonight, a one-on-one feature interview with Candice Malcolm, the founder of True North.
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It's November 7th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
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You could say we're competitors, and in a way we are. But I have to tell you that I regard
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True North more as friends than competitors. And of course, in the media ecosystem in Canada,
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there are so few independent journalists that I regard them all as allies. We are so overwhelmingly
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outnumbered by government journalists. And I say government journalists not just referring to the
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CBC, but of course, all of the print media in Canada is subsidized by Justin Trudeau. So whenever
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I see someone from True North or Western Standard Online, I go right over to them. And that is a
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friend of mine. And there is an outstanding innovator, founder, and entrepreneur in the
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independent media space. I'm talking about the founder of True North, our friend Candice Malcolm.
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What a pleasure to spend the next half hour talking with her. Candice Malcolm, great to have you back on
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the show. It's been far too long. Congratulations on everything True North has achieved.
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Well, thank you so much, Ezra. It's a pleasure to be here. Always great to talk to you. I can say the
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same thing about you and the thing that you've been able to build over at The Rebel. I have tremendous
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respect for you and the journalists over there. And it's always great to be in a like-minded company.
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I haven't spoken to you at all since October 7th. And I don't know if you have family over in
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Israel, Ezra, but you've been in our family's thoughts and prayers as well as the entire Jewish
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community in Canada and in Israel. Well, you know, that's very touching of you to say that. I thank
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you for that. In fact, I do have a brother over there and his two daughters are in the Israeli
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military. And it's pretty tense and pretty tough. To be candid, I am more worried about life in Canada
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than I am worried about life in Israel. I think in Israel, at least they've come to terms
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for decades. They knew the threat. And I think they failed. They had an enormous military and
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intelligence failure on October 7th. But I think they grasped the nature of the problem. I think
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here on the home front in Canada, I'm actually more worried here because I don't think that our
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country, and certainly not our country's leaders, have grasped the challenge this same crisis poses
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to our liberalism and our peacefulness in Canada. I'm worried more about Canada. What do you think?
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I've heard that from so many Jewish friends, Ezra, that basically they're just totally unprepared.
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They never thought anything like this could happen. I'm not talking about the attack in Israel.
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I'm talking about the reaction in North America, the anti-Semitism that they face day in and day out.
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Many of the people who thought that they had friends and allies on the political left and
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seeing the ugly face of anti-Semitism in their communities, in their neighborhoods,
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on social media. I think it's been a huge shock to many in the Jewish community. And frankly,
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as a non-Jew, for me to see as well how quickly it took after October 7th. We hadn't even fully
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gotten an idea of the scope of what had happened, a truly horrendous attack. And we already had people
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defending, retroactively condemning Israel for any response that they may have, and basically
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saying, justifying the attacks. We've seen some truly horrific, despicable displays of anti-Semitism
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here in Canada. And, you know, if anything, it is a big wake-up call of the problems that we face here
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You know, I remember, especially those early days before Israel struck back at all,
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there was immediately protests or rallies or whatever you want to call them, demonstrations
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by the pro-Palestinian, some of them were simply pro-Hamas, and they said so.
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They were jubilant. They were exuberant. They were exhilarated by the barbaric terrorism.
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And this was not just shooting people. This was torture and rape and mutilation and
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kidnapping of babies. And I think that's what stunned me the most. And I think I'm a pretty
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cynical, wizened old man by now. But to see people jubilant at such stone age cruelty, I know in advance,
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and I'm going to have a different opinion from people on what the two-state solution or this border
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or that border is. I grant that we'll have political differences, but I thought there was an underlying
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humanity and commonality. To see people gloating and cheering barbarism and butchery, that's what caught me
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by surprise. That's what scared me the most. I know I'm going to disagree with people about politics,
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but I didn't think I would disagree with people about rape and torture. That shocked me, and I didn't
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Well, and as we're thinking about it this way, you've been paying close attention to the political
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situation for your probably entire life, entire adult life. And, you know, you saw the barbarism. You know
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the typical sort of pro-Hamas, pro-Gaza response. You know, imagine a typical Toronto Jew or Calgary
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Jew who might not really pay attention to politics and might see themselves on the political left and
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align themselves with a lot of the other campus movements that have come up over the past decade.
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Some of my friends I've talked to truly, you know, feel what you feel. But to them, it was like
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completely shocked, out of left field, can't believe it. And, you know, I'm happy that people are waking
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up to the extreme threats. I mean, think of it this way. Do you remember in 2015, 2016, when we saw
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constant attacks against civilians carried out by ISIS in Europe, attacks on restaurants, attacks
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on parades, children being murdered, that the response from the West was rightly outraged and
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disgust. The opposition to ISIS in the West was pretty much unanimous, except for maybe in some very
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fringe, ultra-radical Islamist circles. No one started talking about, well, let's look at the
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broader context of, you know, the Iraq wars or anything like that. It was all just focused on
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the barbarism of the attacks and figuring out how can we, you know, dismantle and destroy ISIS.
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So it was a huge shock and surprise to see so many people on college campuses, politicians even,
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trying to provide context and saying that we have to look at the broader, you know, the broader
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conflict in Israel. It's like, well, yeah, sure, there's a lot of history. We can go back. We can
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go back to 1947. We can go back to 1917, the Balfour Declaration. We can go back 2,000 years and look at
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the history and see all the nuance and all the context. But the reality was on October 7th, we saw a
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barbaric gruesome attack against civilians. And that is the beginning of the story. That's the beginning of
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this story. You know, it's not the beginning of the conflict. But we should look at the situation
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that unfolded that Hamas attacked civilians during a ceasefire and figure out how we can support Israel
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in doing what they need to do to secure their own survival and to protect their own civilians.
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You know, I remember 9-11 very clearly. It was a momentous date in my life, as I think it was for
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for anyone who was an adult back then. And for a brief moment, the entire world was united behind
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America. And I don't recall any college campus across America or Canada cheering the attackers.
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There were some sporadic groups, as you mentioned, some extremist pockets. But you didn't see Harvard
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or Cornell or University of Toronto. You didn't see... I don't think in Canada you saw... I mean,
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listen, the Muslim Canadian community was much smaller 20-odd years ago. But you didn't see
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rallies in support of Osama bin Laden. I just don't think you saw that, like you say, other than
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some very extremist quarters that were very small. And I don't know. I think it's not just
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people who have come to Canada from places where anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism are normal.
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I think the scariest thing for me is that old stock Canadians, if I can use that term,
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who go to these universities, have the cultural Marxism matrix where they see the world as oppressor
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and oppressed. And they've decided that Israel is the oppressor here. And so they've excused any form
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of barbarism. I'm more scared about, you know, long-time Canadians going to university and turned
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into amoral justifiers of barbarism. In some ways, I'm more scared of that than I am of someone who came
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here from Somalia or Afghanistan or Syria cheering that on. I don't know. I think it's a terrible and
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terrifying coalition. But what do you make of those? Do you think it's those two streams, people who
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have come here and haven't assimilated, but also people born and raised here who have been twisted by
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Marxism, by wokeism to hate anything of the West? What do you think?
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Yeah, I think that's a pretty good analysis of what we're seeing and who we're seeing out
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rallying in support. It's basically a coalition of radical Islamists and people who just don't
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accept the West and who have held on to, perhaps held on to grievances from their homeland. And
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they brought them here into Canada, which is a problem that I'm sure we'll discuss during this
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interview. And then you also have the generation that's just been completely steeped in wokeism.
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And this is the outcome of the diversity, equity and inclusion mantras that rule on college campuses
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and throughout our institutions. People look at the situation and they see, I think wrongly,
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they think that Jews are the colonizers, that Jews are white, white supremacists that have somehow
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taken over in the Middle East. And that because they're rich and the Palestinians are poor,
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forget about all the governance, all the leadership, forget about all the details of the history.
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They just see it sort of black and white. One side's rich, one side's poor, one side's white,
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one side's not. Any of these arguments are completely ridiculous and fall apart under
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even the slightest bit of scrutiny. I visited Israel back in 2015. I visited the West Bank and
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the Palestinian territories as well. And one of the things that immediately struck me was that the
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Israelis, the Jews, it was hard to distinguish them from the Arab Palestinians because they all look
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the same. They're all from the same parts of the world. So many of the people in Israel
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are actually displaced Jews from other Middle Eastern countries because as many as a million
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Jews were expelled from Muslim countries during the 20th century, something, you know, an ethnic
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cleansing that we don't often hear about or talk about. So, you know, obviously the situation is so much
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more complex than the sort of slogans that we hear at these rallies. But I think you're right.
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I think that the most concerning part about these rallies and about the public opinion polls we've
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seen is the generation, Gen Z, I guess you call them, folks under 25, and how the support sort of
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flips. The older that you are, this is a poll in the United States, the older that you are,
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the more likely you are to support Israel and its right to defend itself. And the younger you are,
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especially that generation, sort of 18 to 25 year olds, overwhelmingly support Hamas and
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the Palestinian terror against Israel, which is concerning. Although I will just put a little
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caveat on all of that. When I look at Canadian public opinion polls, Ezra, it does give me hope
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because I don't see the popular mass. I think that overwhelmingly Canadians do support Israel. I think
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I saw a recent public opinion poll that said over 80 percent of Canadians believe that Israel has
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right to defend itself and Israel is in the right. So, you know, despite all the propaganda and all the
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loud protesters and marches, I don't think that that represents a majority or even a plurality
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of any generation. You know, I'm glad to hear you say that on the Canadian side. I went deep on that
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Harvard-Harris poll a few weeks ago that showed exactly what you said. Senior citizens, 95 percent
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support Israel. But the cohort that's in school right now, it's 50-50. That's terrifying to me.
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But I want to find some hope. And here's what I know. For example, the dictatorship of Iran
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has troublemakers in Canada, and they have had for years. They sponsor, for example, Al-Quds Day,
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which is an anti-Semitic rally, which they have in Toronto all the time. And you can spot
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these agents of Iran. They dress in a certain way and they sort of have a look to them. They're sort
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of parade marshals and organizers. I've seen them do provocative marches through the Jewish community
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in Toronto in years past. So I think what I see is not... I think you see young people who like to
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protest anything and protesting for Palestine is cool. I think you say hard left-wingers. Like I was in
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London the other day, I'd say about a quarter of the people marching in that big protest were just old
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labor radicals who, you know, would sign up with anything anti-Western. And right now the strong
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horse is the Palestinian movement. So I think a lot of it is stimulated and artificial. But listen,
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they still did get 100,000 people marching in London. They still did get tens of thousands
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in Montreal. I mean, the other day, a preacher, Adil Cherkawi, was preaching to 10 or 20,000 people in
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Montreal, preaching death to the... He was preaching jihad. Let me ask you this. Where are all the people
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who would take a magnifying glass and say, oh, they made the OK symbol with their hands. That's a coded
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form of white supremacy. Oh, those truckers, honk, honk. That stands for Heil Hitler, HH. Like we saw this
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kind of exquisite phrenology. These tea-leave readers finding, you know, racism in any conservative. You
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have groups like Canadian Anti-Hate Network who were paid hundreds of thousands of dollars
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to look for right-wing hate. You have 14 human rights commissions in Canada, one for every province,
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territory in the federal government. All of these hate finders, these professional hate finders,
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have been silent when you have actual swastika flags, actual death to the Jews chants. I'm starting
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to believe, Candace, that none of them were actually against hate or violence at all. They just
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were against hate for them, and they used that as a demonization of conservatives. We've got,
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you know, not quite pogroms in Canada, although they tried to torch a synagogue in Montreal.
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And all of these groups are silent as a mouse. It's as if they've all gone on vacation. What do you
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make of the anti-hate industry losing its voice in the most hateful month in Canadian history, probably?
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Well, Ezra, they've all been completely exposed. I mean, we can tell that the anti-hate network are
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nothing but a group of hate hustlers. Nothing in their mandate, by the way, says that they are only
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supposed to look at right-wing extremism. And yet that's what the lead of that group said on social
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media the other day, that apparently they only have the mandate and the cash to look at extreme
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right-wing violence, which is why they've remained completely silenced. Well, at least that they're
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admitting that the issues here are not on the right. They're on the left and in the Islamist
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communities. But, you know, what good is a government-funded organization that refuses to
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look at 50% plus of the population in terms of blind eye to truly horrific incidents like a synagogue
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being firebombed, Jewish businesses throughout Toronto being boycotted and harassed and having
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property damage done against them, you know, people getting assaulted, people getting threatened.
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There are some real problems happening at these marches. And, you know, I'm pretty
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bold and pretty bullish on free speech. I think it's incredibly important. I think that everyone has
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the right to peaceful protest and to peaceful assembly. You know, we fought and advocated on that
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when it came to the Freedom Convoy, that yes, these people do have the right to go to Parliament Hill
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and let their voice be heard. We see it all the time with left-wing protests. We see left-wing
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sit-ins constantly and they don't get, to your point, they don't get the kind of scrutiny that the
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trucker convoy did. You know, we had one anonymous masked provocateur show up with a Nazi flag. From
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best I can tell, he waved that flag for a good five minutes, long enough to have a couple of people
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shoot some photos of him. And all of a sudden, every single trucker, every single person that
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was supporting that movement was smeared as a Nazi. And yet, Ezra, just this past weekend,
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I saw Nazi swastikas at rallies in Ottawa and Edmonton. And then to your point, we heard
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explicit calls for violence and incitement of genocide against Jews by a preacher in Montreal.
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And, you know, these groups are silent. Not only that, but then you have the sort of moral
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equivocation and cowardice of liberal leaders and progressives saying that we have to condemn hate
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of all kinds. And it's not just anti-Semitism that is a problem, but supposedly it's also Islamophobia.
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I'm sorry. I haven't seen huge public attacks against Muslims in the past month. I haven't seen
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Muslim businesses being harassed and targeted and boycotted. I haven't seen news reports of Muslims
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getting assaulted on the streets. I haven't seen threats and calls to violence against Muslims like
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I do against Jews every single day on social media. Every few minutes, there's a new post.
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You know, even in Windsor, Ontario, and even in small communities, we see threats against Jews and
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against the state of Israel. And for some reason, our politicians can't even muster up the courage,
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Ezra, to condemn anti-Semitism. It's quite a sad state of affairs on the political left in Canada.
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You made a tweet today that was so, it said so much in so few words. Let me show it on the screen.
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You said, can someone please explain how condemning, quote, all forms of hate is any different from
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saying, quote, all lives matter? And that might not ring a bell for folks who are unfamiliar with
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the Black Lives Matter movement. Black Lives Matter, which really got some steam after some
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African Americans were killed in altercations with police, George Floyd, for example.
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And the Black community, or at least a part of the community, would cry out and say,
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this is anti-Black racism. Our people are hurting. This is wounding. This is racism. And we can argue
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details over cases like George Floyd. But what they wanted is for people to say, yes,
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we understand your pain as the Black community. And a lot of people, including on the right,
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would say, look, all lives matter. But I know that some people who were grieving a particular
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instance that they thought was racist said, there's a crisis right now involving a Black man who was
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just killed. And you're telling me, no, no, no, everything counts the same. I just need you to
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say for one second the Black Lives Matter. That was the argument. And here, and by the way,
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Justin Trudeau went out in the middle of the pandemic and took a knee on Parliament Hill,
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breaking the anti-gathering rules. He was so dedicated to the Black Lives Matter movement,
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even though it was an American movement in every way. And so now you have a synagogue being a firebomb
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thrown into a synagogue in Montreal. You have Jewish restaurants being, you know, Nazi-style boycotts.
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You have chants for death for the Jews. And Trudeau and all the others cannot say
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anti-Semitism is wrong, period. They just always append, and Islamophobia too, and all forms of
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racism. They just can't say it. And I think it's to dilute and diminish what's going on. And there was a
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there was a Jewish protester for Israel who was murdered in Los Angeles yesterday. He was killed.
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And we just, you know, and I don't want any Muslims in North America killed. I don't want
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Muslim business to be boycotted. I don't want Muslim schools to be targeted as Jewish schools have been
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targeted. But there's something really creepy about political leaders, Justin Trudeau is amongst the worst,
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who will not say, I'm against anti-Semitism, period, when they're asked about a synagogue being torched.
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Why are they tacking on the Islamophobia part other than to water down and remove
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the truth of what... We have had a torrent of anti-Semitism over the last month, and I think
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there's something creepy about politicians who won't acknowledge that. I don't know, maybe I'm being too sensitive.
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No, I think you're right. It's almost become like comical to see it. It's like we're seeing an
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unprecedented level of harassment and targeting of Jewish people in Canada and the United States.
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And it's not just Trudeau. It's liberal politicians across the board, because we saw the same thing
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from Joe Biden and his press secretary, where they immediately went to jumping into condemning
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Islamophobia. It's like, you know, you gave a pretty nuanced description of the all lives matter,
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black lives matter debate. And, you know, a lot of people just said, of course, a statement,
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all lives matter is true. We all matter. And let's figure out a way to live together and make our
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society more peaceful. And for the black lives matter activists, they wanted people to recognize
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that they were feeling attacked and they wanted the slogan, black lives matter. They didn't want it
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to be co-opted. And I agree with it or disagree with it. That was their point. And not only that,
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Ezra, but there were a thousand think pieces telling us that it was wrong to say white lives
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matter, that that was racist, that that was conflating too many issues, and that it was
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important just to focus on the Black Lives Matter movement. Okay, so why doesn't that same logic apply?
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That was the point of that. Why doesn't the same logic apply? When you see Jewish business
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owners getting targeted for the sin of being Jewish or being from Israel, when you see exactly your
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point, a man in Los Angeles killed because he was waving an Israeli flag. I mean, this is serious
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level of anti-Semitism. And I just don't see that against Muslims. Maybe it's there. Maybe I'm just,
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you know, missing it. Maybe there's a lot of hatred online, although I'm sure you've been the victim of
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of unknown, you know, attacks and smears online. I know Gad Saad, who's a Canadian university professor
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from Lebanon who's Jewish. He's been sharing a lot of the hate that he's receiving. It's pretty
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gruesome and horrific, the kinds of stuff that's being sent to him. So anyway, it's like, why can't
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leaders just have some moral clarity? Why can't they just say, look, we're dealing with a surge in
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anti-Semitism. It's nothing like we have seen in this country in recent memory. Let's all work together to
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address that and stop that. Instead, I think it has to do with pandering and votes and making sure
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that they're not alienating the people that they know will vote for them. But it's disappointing,
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Ezra. And I think that at this moment in time in Canada, it's important for leaders to specifically
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name the problem, to discuss what it is that we're facing. And in this moment in time, there's no doubt
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that anti-Semitism is, I think, the biggest problem in Canada right now. You know, some of my favorite
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Canadians are Muslims who came here from fascistic Islamic countries have come here to be free.
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The late Tariq Fatah would be an example. Our friend Raheel Raza, who I think is one of the
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finest Canadians I've ever met. And I think sometimes you have to come from an authoritarian
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regime to understand freedom. I think it's a reason why so many of the protesters during the pandemic
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lockdowns, you could hear an Eastern European accent there because they understood authoritarianism.
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At least it seemed to me that a lot of the people more on guard for our liberty came from a place
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without it. But I think that so many Canadians and Americans and Brits and Australians, they're not just
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counting votes, because all across the West there are millions of Muslim migrants who vote. But I think
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even more than the votes, people are afraid of being labeled racist. I don't know if you ever read the
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report into the Rotherham rape gangs in that city in the UK. Time and time again, social workers, doctors,
00:26:41.740
police, politicians said the reason they didn't blow the whistle on these 1400 girls who were raped over
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the course of time is they were afraid of being called racist. It wasn't about a vote or about violence.
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They were terrified that if they said something, they'd be called racist. That's a very hard way
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of looking at it. Here's a funny way of looking at it. Let me quote to you a tweet that the late
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Norm MacDonald, the comedian made. And this is his take on being afraid of being called racist,
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which I think is a lot of it. I think Pierre Polyev is walking a fine line. He's very strong against
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anti-Semitism. I'm grateful for that. But even he can count. Let me just quote for you a joke
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that the late Norm MacDonald meant that that's a lighter way of putting this. He said,
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what terrifies me is if ISIS were to detonate a nuclear device and kill 50 million Americans,
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imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims. I mean, that's a very sardonic, very sarcastic
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Norm MacDonald kind of joke. But listen, I understand not conflating regular Muslims who
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want to live, want to be Canadian and who are appalled by the barbarism. But my God, I just think
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that we're so afraid of call. I mean, there is an Islamist strain here and it's being whipped up by
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cultural Marxism. It's being whipped up by foreign entities like the Iranian government, which is very
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active in undermining us. And I think frankly, this is the first time in history where foreign entities
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have had a direct communication link with our domestic population. I'm talking about TikTok.
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You know, in World War II, you had Axis Sally and Tokyo Rose that were radio hosts in the English
00:28:30.060
language trying to demoralize American troops. And they would say, oh, G.I. Joe, your girlfriend back
00:28:36.780
home is having an affair on you. Oh, they don't... Like it was a way to demoralize soldiers. But now,
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I mean, I'm on both Twitter and TikTok, and I see on TikTok this Amazon River, this Niagara Falls
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of anti-Western propaganda. And I've got to think it's related in some way to the fact that TikTok is
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owned by China. And you've got 100 million Americans, maybe not 100 million, but 50 million Americans,
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most of them young, taking direct propaganda against America, against American values.
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It's overwhelmingly pro-China, pro-Russia, and pro-Palestinian. I think that's also a problem.
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And I'm not necessarily calling for censorship. I don't know what to do. But I think TikTok is pumping
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ideas directly into kids. And I think that may be a reason why 50% of people, of young people in
00:29:30.460
I think that's exactly right. I think that TikTok is a huge problem. And there's a reason I don't keep
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it on my phone. I don't trust the technology behind it or who's looking into your data. But I think
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you're right. If you were to design a politically destabilizing force, it would look something like
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TikTok. And the fact that it's run by an adversarial regime or a company that operates from within, I think
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that that is something that needs to be seriously looked at. I think that one of the things that
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Islamists do, Ezra, is they use our freedoms against us, right? They come into the West and
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they sort of drape themselves in the ideas of free speech and free association or free assembly.
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Even when the message that they're sending is so antithetical to Western values and the core
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existence of West, I think we face a pretty serious existential crisis when it comes to what to do
00:30:27.900
with people who come from... It's ironic. They fled Islamist, fascist regimes. They've come to Canada,
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come to the United States for stability and security and the opportunities and prosperity
00:30:42.540
that comes with living in a Western country. And yet, so many of them in these extreme Islamist
00:30:47.740
circles then turn around and embrace the very culture and values that led to the destabilization
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of the countries that they fled. It truly is a horrific sight to see someone waving the Ayatollah's
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Iranian flag, the Islamic Republic of Iran's flag in Toronto. I don't think I've ever seen that before
00:31:08.300
this past weekend. You know, you see a lot of people waving the former Shah's flag with the lion,
00:31:13.820
the old Iranian flag, people celebrating Persian culture and history. But I haven't seen that Islamic
00:31:22.220
Republic of Iran flag being waved. And yet there they are openly, proudly waving the flag of a horrible
00:31:30.140
dictatorship that's destabilizing the entire Middle East and the entire world. And, you know, I think that the
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West has to ask themselves some pretty serious questions. I tried to raise a lot of these
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questions, and I know you did too, back when ISIS was reigning over Iraq and there was terrorist
00:31:46.060
attacks throughout Europe. You know, you had all of these people coming from that exact same region.
00:31:50.300
Remember at the time, Ezra, 10 to 20 percent of the Syrian population supported the caliphate,
00:31:54.540
supported ISIS. And the Trudeau government were in such a rush to get these people in. They were
00:31:59.100
skipping security steps. I was reporting on that, how quickly and rushed the program was and how so
00:32:04.460
many people were just getting into Canada to meet a political objective. Well, what happens, you know,
00:32:09.740
10, 20, 30 years down the road when you've accepted people who, at their core, fundamentally
00:32:14.780
do not believe in Western liberal democracy, don't believe in the freedoms that you and I take for
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granted? I think it creates a pretty scary situation. And now we're stuck in the situation where,
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you know, I want to defend free speech and I want to defend free assembly. But obviously,
00:32:30.700
I don't think you should be able to incite hatred and violence and genocide. And it doesn't seem like
00:32:35.980
the Canadian police services or Canadian political leadership class is willing to take that stance to
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actually arrest people. People who are not citizens and not permanent residents who break these kind of
00:32:47.260
laws should be deported. And that shouldn't be controversial. That shouldn't be something that's,
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you know, a huge threat to our way of life. It's like, no, if you're here and you don't want to be
00:32:56.380
here and you're showing that you don't want to be here, you have to go. And I don't think that Canada
00:33:01.660
has the stomach to say that. I don't think political leadership class on any side of the aisle is
00:33:06.220
willing to do that. And, you know, it's like a death by a thousand cuts. If we turn around and accept,
00:33:11.260
you know, there's a report saying that Canada is considering or that there's talk of Canada accepting
00:33:15.660
half a million refugees from Gaza. Well, Ezra, you know very well the mindset and the brainwashing
00:33:22.220
that has taken place among this population. You know, is there going to be any kind of security
00:33:26.380
screening of these folks or any kind of values testing? Probably not. You know, the same thing
00:33:31.260
with people who perhaps are coming from other Islamic countries that have been displaced refugees.
00:33:37.100
You know, they're going to come to Canada and we're probably not going to do anything to
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integrate them. We're probably not going to do anything to screen them. And, you know,
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you can see how that creates a very long term, a problem in the long term. You know,
00:33:48.140
again, what is Canada going to look like 20, 30, 40, 50 years from now, when we continue to have
00:33:53.180
these programs where we let in hundreds of thousands of people from places that have the exact opposite
00:33:58.300
views than us on many issues. And we try to maintain a liberal democracy. It's, you know, you can get
00:34:05.020
pretty pessimistic looking at the numbers and thinking about the future of our society.
00:34:09.100
Yeah. I mean, I saw that the immigration minister was musing about taking an enormous number of
00:34:15.820
Afghans who are being kicked out of Pakistan between Gaza and Afghanistan. I mean, we're already at
00:34:22.540
absolute record high levels of immigration, which is a problem for housing reasons and for infrastructure
00:34:28.940
reasons. But to take people who are perhaps the least culturally assimilable, we don't even use the word
00:34:36.380
assimilation anymore. We don't even use the word integration anymore. Like you said, it's DEI,
00:34:40.380
diversity, equity and inclusion, which means it's outrageous to ask anyone to Canadianize. That's
00:34:46.140
racist. We have to include them, even if they do not share that underlying commonality. And that's
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what scares me. It doesn't scare me that we're bringing people to Canada who disagree with me.
00:34:57.100
It scares me that we're bringing people to, and we're growing Canadians in college
00:35:02.380
who love barbarism, who said they were exhilarated on, on October 7th. We interviewed one young lady
00:35:10.140
on the streets of Mississauga wearing machine gun earrings, who said everything Hamas did was
00:35:16.060
justified. Here's a quick clip of that lady. Hamas is not a terrorist group. Oh, it isn't them? First of all,
00:35:20.860
Hamas is not a terrorist group. Hamas is not a terrorist group. What is it? Like a motorcycle
00:35:27.820
club? It is a resistance that has been fuming for 75 years of colonialism, of occupation, of murder,
00:35:36.780
of rape, of little children, of women. That's what they are. They are resistance. Do you think Canada
00:35:42.540
is a colonialist country too? Everything that they do is justified. Well, that was in reaction to the
00:35:47.420
barbarism, but you mentioned, you mentioned operatives from Iran. Let me just give you a quick throwback.
00:35:52.380
Here's a video that David Menzies recorded a few years ago. This is before the pandemic.
00:35:56.380
I can delve by the old microphone flash he had for when we call ourselves the rebel dot media.
00:36:01.660
And he was talking to a guy who said, look, it's your fault that you haven't integrated me.
00:36:06.780
I refuse to say the oath of allegiance, um, at my immigration swearing in. It was up to you
00:36:13.180
to make me say it. I didn't. Ha ha. And we are going to bring Sharia law with us. He said all these
00:36:20.140
things. Take a look at this flashback to Al-Quds day, which again is that Iran-sponsored day of hate
00:36:27.580
in Toronto. Take a look. I, like I said, I have met several Muslims who left Islamic nations and have
00:36:34.780
horror and are horrified and are horrified to see those elements of those countries following them
00:36:43.260
over to Canada and the United States. What would you say to them? You know, Muslims that want to live
00:36:47.980
a secular lifestyle. You should go to your queen and tell her to change the laws. Change the laws to what,
00:36:53.500
sir? To Sharia law? No, change the laws to not allow any more Muslims to come to Canada. Like,
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if you, if you are bothered by Muslims, because we, we owe our allegiance and our loyalty first and
00:37:05.020
foremost to our religion, not to the queen, to be honest. When I went for my so-called oath,
00:37:11.020
I was silent. I didn't say anything. It was your responsibility to make sure you got it out of me.
00:37:15.660
So when I didn't say anything, I'm not, I'm not liable to any. I mean, there's a guy on tape saying,
00:37:20.940
I did not take my oath to the country and it was up to you to make sure I did. And I didn't. I mean,
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I'm with you. I believe in freedom of speech very much. And I think freedom of speech is something
00:37:32.700
you have to support even when you don't like the speech in question. But what if someone
00:37:36.700
has come not, has come to colonize us? Speaking of decolonization, what is, if we, if we had had a
00:37:44.060
million German Canadians, uh, 80 years ago who were positively agitating for Hitler and having
00:37:52.300
Hitler youth rallies and saying boycott you, I, I don't know what our grandparents' generation would
00:37:58.940
have done. I think they would have been kicked out. I'm getting a little revved up here. Let me turn
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it back to you, Candace. I want to maintain my liberalism. I want to maintain my love for freedom
00:38:06.380
of speech, even for speech I don't like. But I think you're right. I think if someone is here
00:38:11.180
breaking, not just hate crimes or calls of violence, but supporting terrorism, our criminal
00:38:16.220
code bans facilitating, participating, instructing, or harboring terrorist groups. And I'm not saying
00:38:23.260
these people are instructing or harboring, but some of these pro Hamas rallies are definitely
00:38:28.460
participating or facilitating. And yet we haven't seen a single charge under the, those criminal
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code provisions in Canada. Don't mind me. I'm ranting. Let me, let me get you in on this.
00:38:39.340
Well, you're making, yeah, you're making excellent points, Ezra. And first of all,
00:38:43.820
I want to just praise your reporter there, David Menzies. He goes where no one else goes and gets
00:38:48.780
incredible interviews, have people, you know, tell us what, what they really think in their own words.
00:38:53.180
And, you know, that really is a skill and it's, he's doing tremendous work out there. It's terrifying
00:38:58.620
when you, when you go to these rallies and you hear what people are saying, not just because it's what
00:39:02.380
they believe, but it's what they are so sure that they're able to get away with, that they're willing to
00:39:08.300
say it to a reporter holding a camera, knowing that it will go online, knowing that their words
00:39:14.140
can be used against them, but they're so sure of themselves. They're so confident in their beliefs
00:39:18.780
that they're not going to get challenged, that they're not going to have legal consequences, even
00:39:23.820
though to your point, there are laws on the books against this kind of thing. Again, I think that
00:39:29.180
Canadians need to, at some point, it's going to have to happen. We're going to have to have a
00:39:34.460
conversation. We're going to have to look around and say, hey, you know, Canada, yes,
00:39:39.660
Canadians aren't one specific ethnicity or religion or identity. They never have been. Canada's always
00:39:45.420
been a mix of different people. And that's the beauty of Canada. But what is it that makes the
00:39:49.820
person Canadian? What, what is it that makes us Canadian? If it's not our skin color, if it's not
00:39:54.860
our language, if it's not our religion, what is it? Well, I think that Canadians, the thing that holds us
00:40:00.300
together is a core belief in a set of principles, a set of values. And we have to be able to articulate
00:40:07.500
what those values are, and make sure that the people coming here are actually embracing these
00:40:12.540
values, and that the Canadians being raised in this culture and the society are being taught these
00:40:17.420
values and being taught these norms and being taught about democracy and the rule of law and all
00:40:21.900
of these other things that we hold near and dear. Because otherwise, if we don't, if we just continue to
00:40:26.860
say, okay, we're a post nationalist country, there's no mainstream, there's nothing really
00:40:31.420
here, everyone can just come and do their own thing. And you can keep your own religion,
00:40:35.100
you can keep your own culture, you can bring all of the hatred that you had in some other part of
00:40:40.940
the world and bring those tribal feuds here to Canada. And we're not going to say anything because
00:40:44.700
it's racist. I mean, if we continue to have that attitude, as you know, there's not much holding
00:40:49.020
this country together. And as we go into the future, every time there's a crisis or conflict
00:40:55.980
in any part of the world, it's going to spill over at home in Canada, it's going to lead to more and
00:41:00.540
more violence on our streets, more and more people bringing those foreign wars and those foreign
00:41:04.540
conflicts to play them out in our streets. You know, I think that Canada is in serious need of some
00:41:10.860
leadership, of some moral clarity. You know, I think Pierre Polyev is a tremendous leader,
00:41:16.460
and I see him doing well. And I hope that if, you know, he continues on this path,
00:41:21.660
perhaps he's the one that has that moral clarity. But I think it's going to take more than just,
00:41:25.660
you know, one politician. I think we need a serious wake up call amongst the political class,
00:41:31.020
amongst the elites in universities and newspapers and all across society to say, look, Canada's a pretty
00:41:38.300
great country. And the reason that it's great is for these following reasons. Now let's do everything
00:41:42.700
we can to protect those things and protect those values to make sure that Canada is still great
00:41:47.180
in 50, 100 years. And, you know, the path that we're going where we're just unwilling to do that,
00:41:53.180
we're afraid of being called racist, we are willing to accept people from all over the world,
00:41:56.860
but we don't want to impose our own ideas or values onto them. That's a recipe for disaster.
00:42:02.540
We've been seeing it playing out now for decades, and it just gets worse with each conflict. So
00:42:07.580
hopefully people are waking up to that. Hopefully people are seeing that as a reality. I saw
00:42:12.060
a liberal sort of progressive person post on X the other day or Twitter that basically can't
00:42:17.900
Canadian values mean something and we should be promoting them. So maybe, maybe some liberals and
00:42:22.140
some progressives are waking up to this reality, but I, you know, I think it's going to take a real,
00:42:27.020
we need a wake up call, Ezra. Maybe this is it, maybe not. But I think that the reality is we need
00:42:32.060
to celebrate Canadian values and we need to define them and do what we can to make sure that they're
00:42:39.340
Well, what a strong ending to our wonderful interview with Candice Malcolm, the founder
00:42:43.660
of True North. Great to see you. Thank you for taking so much time and thank you for sharing
00:42:47.580
your wisdom and your perspective. Before we go, what's the best way for people to be involved
00:42:51.820
with True North? What can people do to support your efforts?
00:42:55.740
Well, Ezra, I think like everyone in Canadian media, we're being blocked by social media,
00:42:59.820
by the Trudeau government's absurd legislation. So, you know, if you want to engage with True
00:43:04.220
North, sign up for our newsletters, head on over to tnc.news and sign up for our newsletter. So
00:43:08.460
our news goes right to your inbox. You don't have to rely on, you know, social media algorithms or
00:43:13.580
the whims of the Trudeau government as to whether or not you can see our news and reporting. You know,
00:43:18.940
you can still definitely find our videos on YouTube and on Twitter or X, whatever it's called these
00:43:24.140
days. So there's still lots of ways to engage. We're still doing a lot of work, a lot of journalism,
00:43:28.700
and yeah, we're doing well. So despite Trudeau's best efforts, I think the same can be said for you
00:43:34.700
over at The Rebel. Despite Trudeau's best efforts, independent media is flourishing and we're all
00:43:39.340
doing really well. Right on. Well, congratulations on everything you built and great to catch up with
00:43:44.220
you and keep fighting for freedom, my friend. All right. Thanks. Same to you, Ezra. All right.
00:43:48.620
There you have it. Candace Malcolm. Well, that's our show for the day. Until tomorrow. And by the way,
00:43:53.980
I'll be in Lethbridge, Alberta for a hearing involving some of the Coutts truckers. Until then,
00:44:01.180
on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night.