EZRA LEVANT ｜ Trudeau's elections commissioner convicted me for writing an illegal book — AGAIN
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I got another letter from the Elections Commission today convicting me again for my book, The Libranos. They just won t stop. It's coming up on two years now and I'll take you through the letter and tell you my plans.
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Hello, my friends. I got another letter from the Elections Commission today convicting me again
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for my book, The Libranos. They just won't stop. It's coming up on two years now.
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Thousands of dollars in fines. I'll take you through the letter and I'll tell you my plans.
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Hey, just I don't want to, you know, spoiler alert here, but do you think I'm going to pay
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or do you think I'm going to appeal this ruling? What do you think? I'll take you through it.
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Tonight on the eve of a federal election, Trudeau's elections commissioner sends me a letter
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convicting me again of writing an illegal book. It's July 13th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
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Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer? I know there's 8,500 customers
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here and you won't give them an answer. The only thing I have to say to the government
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for why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.
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I don't think you're going to believe what I'm about to tell you. I just received another
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conviction letter from Justin Trudeau's elections commissioner. He's personally found me guilty for
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a second time of writing an illegal book about Trudeau back in 2019 called The Libranos,
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What the Media Won't Tell You About Justin Trudeau's Corruption. The book, it's front cover,
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my tweets about it, our promotion of the book across the country. Trudeau's elections commissioner
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had senior officers investigating me, tracking me, tracking our staff, creeping through our social
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media. And they say it's illegal. And they now demand that I pay thousands of dollars in fines.
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You probably think I'm exaggerating or even just making it up. So I've put the police state-style
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letter online at thelibranos.com for you to see for yourself. This 14-page letter convicting me
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is there, including the thousands of dollars in fines. I've also put their past convictions to me
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online at the same website and my lawyer's submissions too. I think the craziest thing on
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that website is a hidden camera video I recorded of my one-hour interrogation at the hands of two
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senior ex-RCMP officers who are now on censorship patrol. I mean, it's like that book, Fahrenheit 451,
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about the government's official book burners. By the way, if you don't realize this is all a test
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drive for their plan to censor the internet, I think you're missing their point. I'm the test case,
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you're next. So go to thelibranos.com for that. If you're new to this story, you probably don't
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know how nuts it is to have two 30-year ex-RCMP veterans who used to be on the counter-terrorism
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beat ask you questions like, why didn't you register your book with the government before
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The knowledge that you would have or not have of the of the election act, the Canada elections act,
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when you are planning the book and you the the new third party rules, because I believe there's
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some comments on yourself as well about that, did you give any consideration of saying maybe I should
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register as a third party for this circumstance or maybe I shouldn't because of my interpretation of
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what I'm going to do? Or did you not make that determination? How crazy is it to be told that
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you can't even see the complaint against you, let alone know who complains? Can I see the complaint
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against me? The letter that you received? No, I presume that you're investigating me based on a complaint.
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Well this is still part of the investigation so we'll have to, once the investigation's been completed,
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the commissioner will have to make a decision and at that point you'll have to decide if that is
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releasable or not. It's not something that usually is released, no. So it's a secret complaint? It's not a secret
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complaint, it's just a complaint that's part of the investigation and to keep the integrity of the
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investigation right now. You'll understand that we can't share everything that we have. Well I don't
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want everything that you had, I just, if I'm here to meet a complaint but you won't show me the complaint,
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how can I possibly meet the complaint? How can I possibly respond to something that you won't show me?
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Well I think the letter was quite clear on what we're, what the infraction is, is alleged and this is
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what we want to clarify with you. Well did you generate the complaint or was it from an outside
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party? No, we didn't generate the complaint. Okay, so someone, so someone external to your office
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generated the complaint? That is usually the case. Is that the case in this case? Yeah, yeah we did not
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generate the complaint. Okay, was it the Liberal Party that generated the complaint? We can't go into that, sir.
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So you won't tell me who the complaint is? The complainant is, is that the secret? Yeah, no,
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not at this point. So at what point do you tell me who this? The commissioner is, is the, the ultimate
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responsible person for, uh, for the investigation and, and how this, uh, is decided. So how do I know
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what I've, what conduct has been complained about if you won't tell me? And talk about creepy, those cops
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wanted to know who we hire at Rebel News and why. All right, so moving forward, the, so for the book,
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you seek volunteers that, and without going back to the tape to get the exact quote, that
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wanted to have, had a certain view on Trudeau and Gerald Butts and, uh, believed in free speech
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and that were embarrassed by the Prime Minister Trudeau in blackface, and you saw that specific
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type of person. Is that correct? I want to go back when you were doing your recruiting for the,
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for people and how you described it. Can you go over that again for me, who you're, type of people
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you're looking for? So in that, were they, you were seeking these people for what purpose? Could you,
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you explained to us the type of people you were seeking. What was the purpose? Well, not to brag,
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but I think they're after us because the Libranos was a number one bestseller, more than 1,000 five-star
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ratings from readers, meticulously researched, 289 footnotes proving my assertions. I think that's
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why Trudeau hates the book so much. It's embarrassing to him, and he hates to be embarrassed. He's not used
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to anyone criticizing him. He fires cabinet ministers who dare to speak back to him, even the former
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justice minister, Jody Wilson-Raybould. 99% of Canada's media is obedient to Trudeau, but he just
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obsesses about that last 1% that's still independent. That's why he's had a dozen police and bureaucrats and
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lawyers investigating me for nearly two years. I think he's obsessed with this book. I was convicted
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already once this year, but my lawyers immediately appealed. We gave notice of our appeal in February,
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and Trudeau's elections commissioner waited until now, just weeks before this year's election is
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called, to convict me again. I think he's trying to send me a message not to criticize Trudeau
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during this next election. Hey, do you think I'm going to obey him? He says my book is illegal. He says
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I'm not allowed to write a book that criticizes Trudeau during an election campaign. He says that makes
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it the same as a political party ad, and so I have to register my book with the government,
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and I can't promote my book because that's campaign ads. He's making that all up, by the way.
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There were 24 books published about Trudeau in the last election campaign. For example,
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I mean, there were 23 pro-Trudeau books like this one by Aaron Wery, the government journalist who works
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at Trudeau's CBC, and here's a book by John Iverson who works for Post Media, which is the largest
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recipient of Trudeau's newspaper bailout. So none of the 23 pro-Trudeau books published at exactly the
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same time as my book. None of them were investigated or convicted or fined, just mine. Now, my lawyers
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pointed that out in my appeal, and here's what Trudeau's election commissioner said today. He said,
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In its submissions, Rebel News argued that it has been treated unfairly and in a selective manner
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in this matter because two other books identified by Rebel News as allegedly promoting the Prime
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Minister and that were published during the election period were not investigated by my office.
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This argument cannot be given effect to. As commissioner under Section 510 of the Act,
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I cannot be prevented from investigating a case for the reason that there are other cases that could or
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should also be investigated. Relevant case law supports his position.
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Well, it's actually 23 other pro-Trudeau books, not two, but he's not denying that I'm the only author
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who was prosecuted, even though they were all published at the same time. In fact, he's sort of
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bragging about that. He's saying he knows about other Trudeau books, sure he does, he's aware of them,
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but he's just chosen only to prosecute me and he should be allowed to do that because, I mean,
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seriously, he actually gives no reason. Go read the letter for yourself. I just told you what he said.
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He says he can pick and choose who he's going after and he's just chosen to do that. And what are you
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going to do about it, peasant? You see, the process is the punishment. The stigma is the punishment.
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He's not really mad about books during the election, just books that criticize Trudeau.
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Now, you're probably wondering, since when do we prosecute books at all? I mean, forget this weird
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Trudeau commissioner who says he gets to pick and choose when to uphold the law. Why does he get to
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prosecute any books at all? I mean, I don't want him to prosecute any authors, not me, not the pro-Trudeau
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authors. We're not China or Iran. We don't prosecute authors in Canada. And in fact, the law specifically
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has a books exemption. And the promotion of those books, ads, websites, lawn signs, billboards,
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whatever, anything that sells a book is exempt from these election laws, which my lawyers pointed out.
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But look at this. Here's his reply. The book exemption argument. Rebel News relies on what it calls the
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book promotion exemption found in the definition of election advertising in subsection two of the act.
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The relevant portion of the provision at paragraph two under election advertising clarifies that for
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greater certainty, election advertising does not include the distribution of a book or the promotion
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of the sale of a book for no less than its commercial value if the book was planned to be made available
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to the public regardless of whether there was to be an election. It is clear from the underlying passage
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that the so-called book exemption applies only in relation to a book that would have been published
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whether or not the election was called. Okay, just stop for a moment. My book costs $15, which is priced
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fairly. They don't quarrel with that. It meets that test. And of course, I'd publish it whether or not
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there was an election. That's a really weird test. If there was no election, we'd have a constitutional
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crisis. Section 4 of our Charter of Rights requires that there be an election every five years.
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If in some insane situation there was no election, of course, I'd have published the book and probably
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given a much stronger title than the Libranos. But look at this sneaky little Trudeau weasel. Here's
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how he gets around that. He says, the book exemption does not apply. I am of the view that the
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clarification of paragraph two of the act does not apply in this case because Rebel News had planned
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the launch of the book to coincide with the election. Okay, hang on. The law doesn't say I
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can't time the book to coincide with an election. Every election book is timed for the election. It
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wouldn't make sense to publish a book about an election a week after the election. A lot more books
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about Trump being published in 2020 than in 2021. These Trudeau boys are just making this up to get
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me. They're saying the fact that I wanted people to read my book before the election makes it an
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illegal book. But that's not what the law says. But it gets weirder. The next few pages, pages six,
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seven, eight, nine in the letter, you can see it all at the Libranos.com, is a partial list of the
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things that Trudeau's police did to spy on us. They creeped our social media pages. They looked at
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photos published by our staff. They watched my shows. They tracked me. These are just the things
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they admit to. I don't know if they tapped my phone or hacked our computers or even sent a spy
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into our office. They certainly put a lot of manpower on this. And like I say, the two cops who
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grilled me were former counterterrorism Mounties. They had a whole police squad on this. They gave
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it a name, the compliance unit. And the crime these cops were looking for was anything that was mean
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to Trudeau and his friends. I'm not kidding. See for yourself. Here's page eight of the letter.
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Other evidentiary elements identified in the compliance unit recommendation report
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established that the lawn signs were intended to oppose the Liberal Party and the election of its
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leader and certain members of the cabinet whose pictures were also included on the lawn signs.
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By using the word the Libranos and by showing edited pictures of the Prime Minister Trudeau and of
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some members of the cabinet, Rebel News intended most likely to oppose the Liberal Party of Canada
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and the election of some of the candidates. They're talking about one of our promotion devices,
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which was we had little signs that said, buy the book. But they're mad. And you can see what
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they're mad about. They're mad that we use a dollar sign for the S in Libranos. They seriously put that
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in their official reasons for convicting me. And they're mad that we made an artistic interpretation
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of Trudeau and his henchmen. By the way, I think they all look great. I think they have a bit of,
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I think it takes a bit of a guilty mind to think they look like crooks, but I think they all look
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handsome there. But is this really what Canada's elections police and RCMP are spending almost two
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years on? By the way, the signs just said, buy the book. Those were the only three words on them
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besides the Libranos. But let's say I concede their point. Of course I want Canadians to oppose Trudeau.
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I don't think I'm shy about that. I'm pretty sure I told that to the counter-terrorism RCMP who grilled
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me for an hour. I'm not denying that I oppose Trudeau or that my book does. I'm saying it's my right to
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oppose Trudeau and that Trudeau and his cops are the creepy ones here. And anyone who puts cops on a
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two-year investigation of an author, they're the ones who are probably breaking the law. There is
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specifically a book exemption and an exemption for the promotion of books right in the law. And it
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specifically covers ads for the books. And it says nothing about timing a book to coincide with a
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campaign because that would be really dumb. I mean, I'm talking Trudeau level dumb, maybe even Seamus
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O'Regan level dumb to think books aren't timed for elections. It's natural to criticize politicians.
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It's actually our right to do so. And you know what? I think I might do so again this year in this
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election. I shouldn't have to answer to the police for that. But look at this creepiness from Trudeau's
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henchmen. Paragraph 35 on page 10. See for yourself at the Libranos.com. Investigators gathered
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many screen captures from Rebel News' Twitter account showing that Rebel News distributed its
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lawn signs during the election period in various places across the country. Again, to be clear,
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those lawn signs simply say, buy the book. Can you imagine if Stephen Harper had directed police to
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track social media photos of journalists who criticized him? Could you imagine the uproar if he had done so?
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And if he put Mounties on the file? I've instructed my lawyers to appeal this ridiculous new conviction.
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To take it to a real court and out of the hands of Trudeau's henchmen.
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We're going to appeal to the Federal Court of Canada, real judges. I know that the fines here are
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only a few thousand dollars and that appealing this to the Federal Court and if need be to the Federal
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Court of Appeal and if need be to the Supreme Court of Canada. I know each of those steps will probably
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cost a hundred thousand dollars. This isn't about the money though. If it were about the money I would
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just pay the few thousand dollars and move on. But do you think that would be the right thing to have
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police investigate authors because the book cover is mean to Trudeau and his crony? They put that in
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their ruling here because the publication date of the book is inconvenient for Trudeau. I don't get to
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publish my book when he says I can't. An election boss who spends more time and money investigating
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a Canadian citizen author than foreign interference from China or actual vote fraud. Trudeau's election
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boss who thinks he has the power to censor an author and put cops on a two-year hunt of Trudeau's
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enemies and to tell me when I can or can't publish my book and how I can tell people to buy it. And do
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you not see that this is all a trial run of things to come? If Trudeau wins this election, which he
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probably will, do you not see that he will apply this same censorship to his critics online too
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through his new internet regulation bill C10, C36? Don't you see? This isn't about a few thousand
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dollars in fines. It's not even really about my book, The Libranos, even though he really hates that book. It's about
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anyone who dares to criticize the thin-skinned little bully who wants total control of all political discourse in
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Canada. He couldn't buy us off like the rest of the media, so he wants to shut us down.
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No, no. See you in court. And friends, if you can help me cover the cost of this legal appeal,
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please do. It's not about the money. It's about stopping a political bully who thinks he can tell
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authors when they're allowed to write books and when they're not, and what they're allowed to put on
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their book covers and their book ads, and what they're not. Look, I know Trudeau admires China,
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he's told us, and I know this is what they do in China, but it's not what we do here in Canada.
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Go to thelibranos.com to read this 14-page conviction letter for yourself.
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While you're there, if you can, please chip in to help me appeal this ruling
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Dear passengers, people who travel without tickets or behave disorderly or small being
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in public areas will be punished according to regulations, and the behavior will be recorded
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in the individual credit information system. To avoid an inactive record of personal credit,
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please follow the relevant regulations and help with the orders on the train and at the station.
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There you have it. We've shown you that video before. A train in China several years ago saying
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if you don't behave, if you are disorderly, if you conduct yourself discreditably, that'll go in your
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own personal information system. It was a vaccine passport before the vaccine. It was called
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a social credit system. China gave us the social credit system, and then China gave us the virus,
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and the West is combining them now. Joining us now to talk about how vaccine passports will use
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this Chinese-style system to track us is our friend Janine Yunus. She is an activist and a lawyer with
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the new Civil Liberties Alliance. Great to see you again, Janine. Thanks for joining us.
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Well, it's my pleasure. You know, I follow your tweets on Twitter, and I like your approach to things
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because you come from the liberal left as opposed to the don't tread on me tea party right, let's say.
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I want to go through a few of your tweets for our viewers because I find them so interesting.
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France, which has more of an authoritarian streak than I think a lot of us realize,
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they have brought in mandatory vaccinations. Here's your tweet on it. I'll just read it.
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As most have undoubtedly heard by now, France has implemented an inhumane and unacceptable vaccine
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policy. The unvaccinated now can't even use public transport or go to the mall. My heart goes out to
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the people of France who do not want to get the vaccine. Janine, I think it's not just punitive.
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It has the effect of punishing certain groups, minority groups, religious groups. Obviously,
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the disabled are people who, for health reasons, can't take the vax. Obviously, low-income people who
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would need to take public transit. You can be rich and unvaxxed and have a limo driver, I suppose.
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This is the worst policy I've seen. What do you think of it?
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I think it's a horrendous policy, and you're right that it will have a more pernicious effect
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on minority groups and the less fortunate for whom it's less easy to get the vaccine, or they can have
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groceries delivered more easily, or they don't have to take public transit. There's a real
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authoritarian slide going on here in the West, and it's not just France. I mean, we're seeing
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something similar in the United States, although so far, apart from New York, there hasn't really
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been a passport program mandated. But we're seeing people like Leanna Nguyen, who's become a very vocal
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proponent of coercing vaccinations, saying that we should make life very, very difficult for
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unvaccinated people. We have Anthony Fauci going around saying, just get over it, just get the
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vaccine, you know, without recognizing that there are legitimate reasons for people not to get the
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vaccine, or illegitimate reasons, because then it should be a personal choice. And I think it's quite
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scary. Australia, I tweeted about this as well. In Sydney, they just have a new rule that you have to
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show an ID card to show that you're not more than 10 kilometers, I think, or some short distance.
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I'm not that familiar with that system, but from your home, because they're in another lockdown.
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I mean, what's going on in the West is really scary.
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You know what, we're familiar with the Australia situation. We have a reporter in Melbourne.
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Sydney, of course, is a different part of Australia, but they are in an extreme lockdown.
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Just to remind our viewers, here's your tweet on the subject. Australia, having triumphed over the
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coronavirus at least 23 separate times so far, is now a police state. What a great success story.
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I know you're kidding, but you're being ironic there. They throw entire states into lockdowns
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on a single death or a handful of cases. I want to show you what it looks like when you can be fined
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for merely being away from your house. We've shown this to our viewers before. Here's a dad
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and his kid who were parked at the side of the road, just having a bite to eat in their car,
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nothing wrong or weird. Cops ran his plate apropos of nothing. And because his car was registered to
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an address more than 10 kilometers away, they swarmed his vehicle, tried to extract the dad from the car
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while the son cried. And I've just told you all the relevant facts. His only, quote, crime
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was his car was registered more than 10 kilometers away. Take a look at this.
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What are you doing? Record this picture? What are you doing? Do not touch my neck, bro.
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Come out of the car. It's spinal surgery and it will sue the shit out of you. They're forcing
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somebody out of their vehicle now. I've done nothing wrong. I've done nothing wrong. This is going
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nowhere. Yep, this is going nowhere. You're weak as fuck now. Fuck off. Major, keep recording. Look at
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what you're doing to my son. Fuck off, man. Major, sit back. You all right? Leave me the fuck alone,
00:26:49.940
bro. I've done nothing wrong. So that's real life in, that was in Melbourne, but they have those same
00:26:56.040
rules in Sydney. What's so crazy, Janine, is that as the virus itself subsides, as the death toll and
00:27:05.080
the hospitalizations fall, the enforcement becomes more and more extreme as if almost to create the
00:27:13.200
panic itself that the virus can't anymore because people just aren't dying in numbers anymore. We
00:27:20.560
understand it's not a disease of the young anymore. So to create and maintain that panic,
00:27:26.000
the state is filling in by getting into the, you know, house of horrors. It's like a haunted house
00:27:31.120
business trying to scare you. Exactly, actually. And I think that's sort of what's happening with the
00:27:37.220
vaccines now. I mean, there's no reason to be forcing people into getting the vaccines the way that
00:27:41.760
we're seeing it. I actually spoke with Jay Bhattacharya the other day, who's one of the
00:27:45.580
co-authors of the Great Therrington Declaration, which was advocating for focus protection instead
00:27:50.260
of lockdown. And he was saying that it doesn't even make any sense from a scientific perspective.
00:27:55.140
So, you know, if you get the vaccine, you're more or less protected. This idea that everybody
00:27:59.160
needs to be vaccinated to create herd immunity doesn't make any sense. And I think this is just,
00:28:04.040
I think we've slid into authoritarianism and we can't get out of it now. And Lord Sumption,
00:28:09.300
actually, who's great. He's a British House of Lords and has been an incredible voice of reason
00:28:14.240
on the side of liberty during this whole thing, wrote about a year ago that once you start to,
00:28:19.040
you can't suspend liberty and democracy for a short while and then bring it back. Once you give the
00:28:25.680
state this kind of power and once our fellow citizens tell us that, you know, well, it's okay
00:28:30.100
for the state to tell you you can't leave your home. It's okay for the state to force the vaccine on
00:28:33.300
you. It's okay for the state to tell you you have to wear a piece of cloth over your face. It's not that
00:28:37.340
easy to get out of. And I think we're seeing that around the world now. And I'm quite scared, actually.
00:28:42.620
Yeah, I am too. And in Canada, we see provinces like Quebec and Manitoba bringing in
00:28:50.920
protein examples of vaccine passports. Alberta said they won't, but they're permitting
00:28:56.780
private sector vax passports. For example, the Calgary Stampede now requires proof that you're
00:29:03.520
vaxxed or you have to wear a mask at their concert area. So even if the state itself is not doing it,
00:29:10.900
private corporations now feel empowered to demand your private personal medical info. Here's an
00:29:18.140
unintended consequence that I am quite certain will happen. Janine, I'm not sure if you've seen
00:29:22.960
this clip before. A few months ago, when Fauci and the head of the FDA and other groups were before
00:29:28.480
the Senate, I think it was Senator Chuck Grassley, I think it was him who said,
00:29:33.880
what percentage of your own staff have been vaxxed? And I thought that was a pretty good
00:29:40.160
question. And I was startled that in the Centers for Disease Control, the Food and Drug Administration,
00:29:46.340
I'm talking about, this is like the Vatican of public health vax promoters. In each of these
00:29:54.700
institutions, half of the staff refuse. Here, just take a look. You might not believe it if you don't
00:30:01.500
see with your own eyes. Take a look at this. Okay, this question, I'm going to go to Dr. Fauci,
00:30:06.220
Dr. Marks, and Dr. Lewinsky. What percentage of the employees in your institute, your center,
00:30:13.600
or your agency, of your employees, has been vaccinated?
00:30:24.800
You know, I'm not 100% sure, Senator, but I think it's probably a little bit more than half,
00:30:33.180
I can't tell you the exact number, but it's probably in the same range. Some people vaccinated
00:30:38.220
at our facility and others outside of the facility. Dr. Winske?
00:30:44.160
We're encouraging our employees to get vaccinated. We've been doing town halls and education seminars.
00:30:50.140
Our staff have the option to report their vaccination status, but as you
00:30:53.820
understand, the federal government is not requiring it, so we do not know.
00:30:57.700
So, Janine, the people who know the most about the vaccines
00:31:01.740
are actually less likely to use them than many other groups in society. And I know that, for example,
00:31:11.100
there have been hospitals in the United States, a single hospital, where 150 staff have either resigned
00:31:18.640
or been fired for refusing to take the vaccine. Maybe they know something we don't know. Maybe
00:31:27.960
they're just cautious because they see that the vast majority of people get better from this without
00:31:34.400
serious malady. But whatever, whether they're right or wrong, if you're now forcing, as France is doing,
00:31:42.560
everyone in the healthcare industry to be vaxxed, I think you're going to have a new unintended
00:31:47.840
consequence crisis on your hands. You're going to have half your healthcare system unstaffed.
00:31:54.700
You're going to have tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of nurses, doctors,
00:32:01.700
you know, just other folks working in hospitals who are either fired or quit. So I think that
00:32:08.560
Macron is going to create a new healthcare disaster because of his order. What do you think of that?
00:32:16.060
So I think that this is, actually a friend made a point to me the other day. I think this is a
00:32:21.960
political ploy. I don't think people like Fauci, they know that half the country is not going to
00:32:28.560
get the vaccine, especially if they feel pressured by people like him and by the Democrats. So I think
00:32:33.660
it's a political ploy so that they don't get it. And then, you know, when the virus sticks around as
00:32:38.980
it will anyway, because it's endemic at this point, they can blame those people. Oh, those rednecks and
00:32:43.720
the Ozarks, they wouldn't get the vaccine. And now we still have the virus. So I think it's just
00:32:48.800
the Democrats trying to win elections. They know that this sort of pressure isn't convincing people
00:32:54.280
and it's not helpful. They could just give people the information and allow them to make their own
00:32:58.460
decisions. And I think most of them would probably get the vaccine if they didn't feel coerced.
00:33:02.360
Yeah, I think there's something to it. It's, I think, um, it's almost to the point where whatever
00:33:09.340
Fauci and the rest of the public health industrial complex says, half of America is repelled by it.
00:33:16.040
Just like, you know, a year ago, whatever Trump said, half of America did the opposite. I think
00:33:22.100
there's such a polarization. So if Trump talked about hydroxychloroquine or some other remedy,
00:33:27.280
half of America said, that's got to be junk science. That's quackery. You can't even say it.
00:33:33.460
But it's, the reverse is true also. Let me show you a quick clip. This is from CNN.
00:33:37.880
So there was a conservative conference called CPAC and there were some folks on the stage and they
00:33:42.400
were vaccine skeptics and that's fine. And, and, and someone expressed some skepticism and they was
00:33:47.940
cheering. So Jake Tapper of CNN was interviewing Fauci. And there's two interesting things about this
00:33:53.960
video. First of all, Tapper says, I'm not going to let you hear what these vac skeptics say because it's
00:34:01.980
false. So he was saying to his viewers, I won't even let you hear the secret words they have to say
00:34:09.120
because those words are so powerful and you're so dumb. You might be convinced. But Fauci's answer is
00:34:15.000
incredible. He says, why are you politicizing this? As if he hasn't politicized it for a year. It's quite an
00:34:23.680
exchange. Take a look at this. To do with politics. It's a public health issue. It doesn't matter who
00:34:29.780
you are. The virus doesn't know whether you're a Democrat, a Republican or an independent. For sure.
00:34:36.280
We know that. And yet there is that divide of people wanting to get vaccinated and not wanting
00:34:41.920
to get vaccinated, which is really unfortunate because it's losing lives. The conservative
00:34:47.520
political conference CPAC is going on this weekend. I want to play for you a clip of one of the
00:34:53.880
speakers from that event yesterday. They were hoping the government was hoping that they could
00:35:01.180
sort of sucker 90 percent of the population into getting vaccinated. And it and it and it isn't
00:35:06.460
happening right there. There's a younger people. I'm going to cut him off right there because he just
00:35:13.980
goes on to just say things that are not true about the vaccine. But what I wanted to get your
00:35:18.780
reaction to is the crowd cheering when this gentleman talks about how the government was not able to
00:35:25.800
achieve a 90 percent vaccine goal. The crowd cheers as a public health official. What's your reaction when
00:35:32.280
you hear that? It's it's it's horrifying. I mean, they're cheering about someone saying that it's a good
00:35:43.140
thing for people not to try and save their lives. I mean, if you just unpack that for a second, Jake,
00:35:50.280
it's almost frightening to say, hey, guess what? We don't want you to do something to save your life.
00:35:57.280
Yay. Everybody starts screaming and and clapping. I just don't get that. I mean, I and I don't think that
00:36:04.200
anybody who's thinking clearly can get that. What is that all about? I don't understand that, Jake.
00:36:10.820
On the other side, you know, fairly or not, I think that Fauci has become like Hillary Clinton or
00:36:16.980
Kamala Harris. People have a sort of a derangement syndrome towards him. I mean, his mannerisms,
00:36:22.700
his accent, his style. And that's probably unfair to a degree. But when Fauci mocks people and say
00:36:28.340
you're literally asking for people to die, I don't get it. You're like I think it's like you say,
00:36:33.600
it's not actually designed to convince anybody. It's designed to polarize it. It's it's like
00:36:40.460
telling someone you're arguing with, oh, oh, calm down. Oh, like that's not you're not actually
00:36:45.740
trying to calm them down. You're dismissing them. I think that I don't know. I just think that the
00:36:52.980
fact that they're other rising anyone who's a skeptic, they're not they're not granting that
00:37:00.160
there may be some legitimate reasons for skepticism. And they're just demonizing it as false
00:37:05.900
after they got so many things wrong. I really think that we're in into a new era of division
00:37:12.120
based on not even on the virus, but on the vaccine and the lockdowns.
00:37:17.860
Yeah, I think that's right. And, you know, he said something very interesting, which is the virus
00:37:21.320
doesn't care who you are. That's absolutely not true. If you've had COVID, for instance,
00:37:25.700
you're most likely almost certainly immune. If you're 20, you're almost certainly going to have
00:37:32.440
a mild case and you don't have anything to worry about. So the virus does care who you are. And
00:37:36.660
surely she knows that. And, you know, I mean, there was just something new about the J&J vaccine the
00:37:43.400
other day. And again, I want to be very clear. I'm not, you know, I'm not anti-vax. I'm not anti the
00:37:47.800
COVID-vax. I'm not here to tell anyone whether or not to get the vaccine. But, you know, there are
00:37:52.940
new stories constantly about new side effects that we didn't know about possible long-term
00:37:57.460
effects. I think it's called, what is it, Gilbert disease? I'm not sure how you pronounce that.
00:38:01.440
It's now tied to the J&J vaccine. And by overplaying their hand, I think the public
00:38:05.300
health establishment is losing a lot of trust. You know, if they had said from the start, look,
00:38:09.400
we think the vaccine is safe and effective. Probably you're better off getting it than not
00:38:13.320
getting it. But we, you know, we can't be certain about long-term effects. We can't be certain about
00:38:16.780
everything. I think people would go and get it in greater numbers. But by insisting, oh, there's,
00:38:21.480
everyone should get it. There's nothing to be worried about. You're crazy if, you know,
00:38:24.940
if you have any doubts whatsoever. They've lost all trust, I think. I mean, they've turned me into,
00:38:29.780
you know, more of a skeptic than I certainly was. Yeah. You know, it reminds me of censorship.
00:38:35.000
When you ban something, all of a sudden people say, oh, that must be a very powerful thing. I'm very
00:38:39.500
curious about it. You know, there's Jake Tapper saying, that speaker, his name is Alex Berenson. He's
00:38:46.340
actually a New York Times bestselling author. And I think he, I think he's quite rigorous in his
00:38:52.060
review of scholarship. I don't think he's a scientist himself. But simply to say, I'm not
00:38:55.800
even going to show you what Alex Berenson says, because it's untrue. Okay, well, you're forcing
00:39:00.780
me to be your child in that I have to trust you like a father. You're protecting me from something,
00:39:07.080
some goblins and ghosts so terrifying. You say I can't handle it. That made me think he must be
00:39:14.440
telling the truth. And legislating that I must take this, what kind of vaccine in what kind of
00:39:21.260
pandemic has to be forced on people? Like that's, that's quite some vaccine and some pandemic there.
00:39:28.920
If you've got to have million dollar lotteries to coax people to take it. And even that doesn't work.
00:39:34.140
I don't know. I just think that we're in the worst of times. And it's not even,
00:39:37.980
it doesn't even have anything to do with the virus anymore. Last word to you, Janine.
00:39:44.440
I agree with you. We're in very scary times. And it doesn't have to do with the virus. I agree
00:39:48.120
with all of that. And it's, it's really time for people to stand up. I mean, that's why I'm doing
00:39:52.240
this. You know, it's, it's, I've created a lot of enemies for myself and a lot of problems for
00:39:58.080
myself. I can say that. But I think, you know, this is the moment we have to stand up and we have
00:40:02.740
to resist this because this is, you know, states really doing some very scary things.
00:40:07.620
Yeah. Well, listen, I hope to hear more from you just for our viewers who want to follow Janine
00:40:11.520
on Twitter. Her Twitter handle is Lefty Lockdowns One. And I enjoy following it. Lots of links to
00:40:19.140
articles and authoritative studies and personal reflections on things. Janine is a lawyer and
00:40:24.700
she's with the new Civil Liberties Alliance. Great to see you again. Thanks for your time.
00:40:30.140
All right. There you have it. Stay with us. More ahead.
00:40:32.020
Hey, welcome back. On my show last night, Kirk writes,
00:40:46.740
parents, join your PTA. Show up to your local school board meetings en masse. Write the education
00:40:51.000
ministers in demand that this nonsense, along with critical race theory and other progressive BS,
00:40:55.880
be removed from the curriculum. Yeah, good luck with that. Do they even have meetings in Ontario?
00:41:03.880
Are they even allowed? Or is that a criminal gathering under the lockdown? I think if this
00:41:08.640
government is impervious to any criticism or compromise over the lockdown, it's the worst in
00:41:13.160
the world. I really don't think they're going to bend the knee to public demands on education.
00:41:20.020
I think really, and I mean, I always think, what's the worst government in Canada?
00:41:24.120
I think it's Ontario. Earl writes, China and India laugh as Western countries tie themselves
00:41:31.980
into intersectional identity knots. Yeah. You know, the only math we're good at doing is coming,
00:41:37.840
the only research is coming up with new genders. Hey, China, India, Russia, be terrified. We've just
00:41:45.600
discovered a new gender. Patrick writes, I went to the US for my PhD in physics, Cornell.
00:41:52.120
In my first semester, I saw how Asian students were getting the best marks. I realized they were
00:41:57.060
very smart, but also worked extremely hard. Never crossed my mind that they were favored because of
00:42:01.360
their race. I just started studying 14 hours a day to catch up. Yeah, listen, I mean, I'm not getting
00:42:07.160
into race at all. That's sort of my point, is that if you're trying to destroy math as a meritocracy,
00:42:15.340
you're going to have a racial effect. And this isn't new. You know, Joe Oliver, the former finance
00:42:25.400
minister, he told me he's getting up there in age now. He told me that when he went to McGill,
00:42:31.680
you know, 60, 70 years ago, Joe's getting up there in age, that he was one of the first Jews let in
00:42:37.440
after they removed the quota. There was a maximum number of Jews who were admitted
00:42:43.120
to the professional schools in McGill and Montreal in Canada, because they said the same thing about
00:42:48.480
the Jews. Oh, there's too many Jews. They're doing too well on the test. We've got to love the playing
00:42:51.740
field. We don't want too many Jews in med school or law school. And of all the different fields of
00:43:02.300
study, math is pure and objective more than any other. There's just no wiggle room there. And
00:43:10.980
whoever succeeds there, you've got to protect that meritocracy. And if you're just trying to
00:43:16.860
change the racial makeup, maybe you're the racist one. That's the point I was trying to make
00:43:22.520
yesterday. Anyways, thanks for watching the show today. What do you think about this new letter? I got
00:43:27.060
it right here from the elections commissioner. They just won't stop.
00:43:30.520
I mean, the fine, it's a few thousand dollars. It won't destroy me, obviously. But I just don't
00:43:38.420
think we can roll over and say, well, okay, we'll pay. I really think we have to appeal this
00:43:42.600
until we're completely exhausted our appeals, until we go to the Supreme Court really. They're
00:43:48.900
literally saying I'm not allowed to write a book at a time that's inconvenient for Trudeau.
00:43:54.720
It's not what the law says. They admit they're not prosecuting anyone else. They say they don't
00:43:59.320
have to if they don't want to. I just think this is just so terrible. I got to stand up for it. And
00:44:03.700
I know I'm always in a legal pickle, but I think it's because we're the leading edge of so many
00:44:07.800
fights. We're the pointy edge of the spear. So they're going to be focused on us more than anyone
00:44:12.520
else. I mean, I can tell you one thing. Trudeau is not prosecuting Aaron Wary's love letter to Trudeau
00:44:18.540
that was published at the same time as my criticism. Now, there's a reason no one read Aaron Wary's
00:44:24.280
love letter. It's just boring propaganda, whereas my book actually challenged the powers that be.
00:44:31.180
Apparently, Elections Canada thinks you're not allowed to speak truth to power, at least
00:44:34.600
not when it counts. All right, go to thelebranos.com if you want to see more on that. That's the show
00:44:40.100
for today. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters to you at home,