EZRA LEVANT ｜ Trudeau's new censorship bill is the worst ever seen in the free world
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Bill C-63 is a censorship bill that could see you get a life sentence for hate crimes, hate speech, child pornography, revenge porn, and other types of hate crimes. It's a new kind of hate crime, and it could be the battle of the year.
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Hello, my friends. I'm back on today about Bill C-63. That's Trudeau's new censorship law.
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Yesterday, I went on at great length. Today, I'm going to give you sort of my more considered
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thoughts. Keep it shorter. We're going to interview John Carpe, the boss of the Justice
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Center for Constitutional Freedoms. I think this is going to be the battle of the year for us,
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and whether we want it or not, frankly, I think Trudeau has built this law in part to take us on.
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Tonight, I'm still in shock at the details of Trudeau's new censorship bill. Here's my
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thoughts after 48 hours. It's February 28th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.
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You're ready for freedom. Shame on you, you censorious bug.
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Hey, I don't know if you saw the show last night or the full two and a half hour live stream
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I did in the middle of the day. It was good, but it was plodding. I was going through slowly
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learning along with you. I had not read the full thing before, so I was sort of going slow,
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and I was going in chronological order, just sort of page by page. I want to do now, instead of doing
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a two and a half hour version, I want to see if I can get it down to 15 minutes. Not just 15 minutes
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to summarize it, but my thoughts on the whole thing a couple days in. I think the first thing
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is what this bill is not about. It's not actually about child pornography. That's been banned by the
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criminal code for decades. It's not about revenge pornography, where you filmed a partner, and now
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you're estranged, and they're an ex, and you upload it to the internet in vengeance. That happens these
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days. That's been criminalized for 10 years. Stephen Harper passed an amendment to the criminal code in
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2014. Five years in prison if you do that. This law is not about getting social media companies to put
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a block button to ban, to allow you to ban people who harass you. All of these things, child pornography,
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revenge porn, social media safety, that's already in effect. If you feel yourself saying, yeah, that's a good
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idea. We should ban that, or we should regulate that. Okay, good. We're doing that already. That is not what
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this law is about. That's a distraction, a misdirection, an illusion, a trick. When Trudeau rolled out
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family members who had child abuse issues, he was actually using them. He was re-abusing them
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by making them human shields, cannon fodder, to distract from his real goal. It's not just the
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child pornography. This bill talks about banning incitement of violence, banning incitement to
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terrorism. I think you probably know those are already against the law. We toughened up our
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anti-terrorism laws after 9-11 and inciting violence as being a crime even before Canada
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was born. Now, this is really about censorship. It's obvious. This bill creates not one, not two,
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but three new offices and agencies dedicated to censoring the internet, each one of which has their
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own office, their own staff, their own budget, their own CEO. Plus, in addition to those three
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new agencies, it beefs up the Canadian Human Rights Commission and the Canadian Human Rights
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Tribunal. To show you how important the censorship is, the Justice Minister has a new title, Justice
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Minister, Attorney General, and Minister of State for Online Harms. As I said yesterday, there are hundreds
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of laws in Canada. The criminal code has hundreds of sections. The only one that is now part of the
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Justice Minister's new title is this censorship bill. Censorship is the heart of it. The most shocking
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detail is a new standalone hate crime offense punishable by life in prison. I didn't know the
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liberals believed in life in prison. They certainly don't believe in it for murderers or rapists or
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terrorists, but for hating the wrong people. Life in prison. Something equally shocking to me is the
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pre-crime nature, where a judge can preemptively punish someone, arrest someone, put them under house
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arrest, if they fear they will, in the future, commit a hate crime. Put them in house arrest. Put an ankle
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bracelet on them. Make them undergo regular drug and urine tests. Seize their lawful firearms. Ban them from
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talking to any particular person. Ban them from going to any particular place. And if they resist
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these, going straight to prison for not complying. All before they've done a thing. There's other
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shocking things, like a requirement that social media companies like Facebook or Twitter take down
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offensive posts within 24 hours or face huge fines, which means that they will have no time to
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investigate or to hear the other side or to properly look into it. They'll simply take everything down
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when someone complains. I think one of the most personal aspects of this is the renovation of
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Section 13 of the Canadian Human Rights Act. You may know that that's the provision that I campaigned
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on repealing when Stephen Harper was the Prime Minister. Based on my own experience publishing the
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Danish cartoons of Mohammed, we lobbied the Canadian government and Parliament passed a law repealing
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the hate speech section to those putting it back in. And this time it's even worse. He rewards
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complainants with $20,000 payments. That is, if you complain against Rebel News, you can get up to
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$20,000 from us and cause us to have to pay $50,000 to the government. You could complain for every single
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article we post because we tweet and use other social media for all of our journalism. Literally
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every single news story could attract a complaint to the Human Rights Commission for hate because it's a
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moneymaker now. This will create and fund an army of professional internet complainers. I should say
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that hate speech to complain to the Human Rights Commission now specifically includes criticizing
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gender identity or gender expression. You might not even know what those words mean. They're so
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newfangled. Gender identity is when you look like a fella, but you just say, man, I feel like a woman.
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You can have a beard. You can have your twig and berries. But as long as you identify as a woman,
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you're a woman. And you can go into a change room or a bathroom or a rape shelter. Every one of those
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things has happened in Canada. You can go into a women's prison. Gender expression is when you shave
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your beard and put on makeup. But if you criticize either of these practices, you could be prosecuted for
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a hate crime under this bill. What's even more terrifying, and this is something new, this was not
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the case when I was prosecuted in Human Rights Court, complainants can now keep their identity secret,
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even from the accused. So a complaint could come in about a broadcast we do here.
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Who complained? Was it a competitor? Was it someone we wrote a critical article about?
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Was it someone in the Liberal Party? Was it an ex-employee or a personal friend who turned sour?
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Those are all relevant facts when you're accused in a real court. So you can say, oh, I know this guy.
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He's just mad because of that. Or I know that guy. He's full of it because of this.
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You don't know who's coming at you now. The ability to look your accuser in the eye is removed in this
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bizarre law. I used to think, I used to think my first reading of the bill, I thought this is a war
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on Elon Musk because he's taken over Twitter and made it for freedom of speech. It is, but it's also
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a war on every big tech company. I think Justin Trudeau looks at those companies and says, well,
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I want you to censor more for me. But really, he looks at them and he sees money. In fact, one of the
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most shocking parts of this bill is a proposal that 8% of a social media company's global revenues
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be a fine, an 8% fine of their entire world revenue. What? So by the way, I Googled it yesterday
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and I think Facebook had revenues of about $140 billion US last year. So 8%, you've got a 10 billion
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US amount that the government of Canada thinks they'll just take from Facebook. We'll see how that
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goes down. But of course, Trudeau thinks he can spend money better than anyone can spend their
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own money. There's something else that is terrifying. The power to get into the internal
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records and the computer files of any of these social media companies, not to do some police
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work, but to do advocacy and education. But I don't think it's in the end really about hunting
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Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg. I think in the end, it's about hunting you. If you have written a
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Facebook post or a Twitter post five years ago, 10 years ago, even one that you've forgotten about,
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the law specifically says if there is an offensive publication online that's still online and you
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could delete it, you have the power to delete it, and you don't, you're liable for it. Literally
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everything and anything you have ever written online can be used against you. You can be prosecuted
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for it. A $20,000 punishment, if a complaint comes at you, plus a $50,000 fine, to fight that would
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probably cost you $20,000 in legal costs. This is going to be rushed through Parliament, of course.
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Jagmeet Singh and Justin Trudeau has just renewed their vows in their coalition.
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So what's the public reaction mean? So far, the Canadian Civil Liberties Association,
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the Canadian Constitution Foundation, the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms
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have all said this is very troubling. But there's people who will profit by it.
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Bernie Farber is one such name. He was the chair of the so-called anti-hate network that gets millions
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of dollars from American sources, as well as the Trudeau government. Farber is a misinformation
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expert. Here he is, claiming that a pamphlet in Florida, an anti-Semitic pamphlet in Florida,
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was actually being distributed in Canada. He used the exact photograph of when it was shot in Florida.
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The guy's a liar. But he makes money out of whipping up hate. So of course he loves this.
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He's going to get rich off this. I saw Stephen Camp, the former hate speech officer at the
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Edmonton Police Service, who now works for the Canadian Race Relations Foundation, paid for by
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taxpayers. So what I'm saying is all the race hucksters, the anti-hate hucksters who grift for
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a living off of this, they love it. Because they no longer have to apply for grants to get their money.
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They can just file complaints for cash. Let me quote to you from an access to information request
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that we did with the government about this Canadian anti-hate network and how they get
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funded to file complaints. Take a look at this. This is that group that Bernie Farber was associated
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with. This is the hunter-killer group that likes to smear conservatives. This is from their grant
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application to the government. We got this through an access to information request. Look at this.
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We continue to file professional and lawyer-reviewed criminal complaints that provide evidence of
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criminal activity by members and supporters of hate-promoting groups. However, since applying for the grant,
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we have been disappointed to find that engaging law enforcement in this way is not particularly
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fruitful. Now, while we still file those complaints, we put less of an emphasis there and pursue other
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legal avenues in cases of criminality too, e.g. lawyer drafted complaints to social media platforms.
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I have no problem with the language in the agreement in regards to law enforcement as in version one.
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However, if you have no objections, I have admitted references to law enforcement in section one and
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section three. Anyhow, I won't continue on, but you can see that this is a letter from the Canadian
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Anti-Hate Network to the government of Canada saying, we need money and we will take your
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taxpayers' dollars and we will use this to file legal complaints and lawsuits against Trudeau's enemies.
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That's how they operated until now. But now they're going to be given the legal right to live off of us
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and off of you and anyone they complain against. I think it's going to be how they kill Rebel News,
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by the way. Every single news report we do will be hit with a complaint for up to $70,000 per
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incident, $20,000 to the complainant, $50,000 to the feds. It's sort of like what they're doing to Trump.
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Endless nuisance suits just batter us repeatedly, distract us, waste our time and energy.
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So what are we going to do about it? Number one, spread the word to Canadians, make videos about it,
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write news stories, send out emails, raise the alarm globally, let the world know, especially our
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American friends who care about freedom of speech, what's going on in their next door neighbor.
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We have a petition so we can show the government how wrong it is. Stop the censorship.ca. If we can
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get hundreds of thousands of names, show the government how serious this is. And I want to
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prepare for litigation now. What do I mean by that? This is not law yet. It was just introduced this
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week. Hasn't been voted on yet. Hasn't been gone through the Senate yet. Hasn't been proclaimed yet.
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The Human Rights Tribunal hasn't been staffed up yet. These three anti-hate censorship offices
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haven't been hired yet. It's probably going to take months, maybe even until 2025. So we do have some time.
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But you know the instant that the power switches are flicked on. I can't imagine Rebel News wouldn't be
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sued the very first day they're alive. Not for that life in prison stuff, but for the $70,000 battering ram
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every day, every day. That's how they're going to come for us. And the moment this law is live, we will go to
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court if we have standing, if we have to see the final version of the law. Are they coming for us?
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Are they complaining against us? Are they investigating us? The moment we can, I want to be
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ready. I want to do our legal research now. I want to prepare the litigation now. So the first time this
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law is used, we pull the trigger and we go after it. I want the facts to be solid and I want the lawyers
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to be great. I want the best arguments. I don't want the first test case to be with a crummy lawyer or a
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crummy fact pattern. We're starting now. Rebel News really has no choice here. We have no choice in the
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matter. Don't you think, don't you agree with me that of every news agency, of every contrary voice
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in this country that would be targeted by this bill, Rebel News would be at the top of the list.
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But don't you also think that if anyone can fight back, it's going to be us. And by us, I mean,
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we and you. Go to stopthecensorship.ca. Stay with me. John Carpe is next.
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Well, yesterday, if you joined my live stream, you'll realize there's a lot to talk about here.
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There's a lot of camouflage, a lot of distraction. The example I gave yesterday
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was the promise to ban revenge porn, as in you had an intimate photo of a loved one and you're
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estranged and you publish it as vengeance. Yeah, it's a good idea to ban that, which is why
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Parliament banned it in 2014. The reason that's included in this bill is a distraction, a camouflage
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from what's really going on. Child pornography has been illegal since pornography was illegal and the
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law is updated routinely. The idea of having a block button on Twitter and Facebook is such a good
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idea that those companies have been doing it for years. All of those parts of the bill are
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misdirection, to get you talking about those things we all agree on already, that just already
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happened to be law. So that if you disagree with the other parts, you'll be told that you don't care
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about children. It was really gross to me to see Arif Arani, the justice minister, flanked by moms of
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children who basically said, how dare you question this? He's using them as human cannon fodder,
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as human shields to hide what he's really up to. What he's really up to is the greatest infringement
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in civil liberties that I have seen for any democracy in the world, let alone for Canada.
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And I've seen censorship bills in Germany, in the Netherlands, in Ireland, in the United Kingdom,
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in Australia, in New Zealand. I've never seen anything like this. And joining me now to talk
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about it is our friend John Carpe, the boss of the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms.
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John, it took me two and a half hours to go through the bill. It's about 100 pages long.
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There's so many poison pills in it for our democracy, so many shocking things. If I had to ask you
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what the worst part of it is, I know you couldn't answer me with one example, but tell me what the
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most worrisome parts of this bill are to you and the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms.
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At the top of the list, or close to the top of the list, is the power it gives to the federal cabinet
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to pass new laws, known as regulations, which have the force of law, where they get to define
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what is a social media provider. And so without consulting parliament, without transparency,
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cabinet meetings are held in secret. The cabinet can secretly talk about, plan, and then declare
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into being new regulations that could define a social media provider, or a social media service
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could be something like a church or a non-profit or a citizen's advocacy group, or independent media
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like The Rebel and True North and Epoch Times and so on. You could be deemed by the federal cabinet
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to be a social media service. And so we could have federal bureaucrats looking at the content
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of the email newsletter that the church sends out to its members and supporters. That is frightening.
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They can decide that. They get to finalize the definition of harm. There's this wide latitude.
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If this bill is passed, federal cabinet can turn this into an Orwellian nightmare without any democratic
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accountability whatsoever, unless and until there's an election and a change of government.
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But the power of regulation is frightening, because it takes the legislative authority of parliament
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and transfers it to the prime minister's office, effectively.
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You know, isn't that incredible? I went on for two and a half hours yesterday. I didn't even think
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of that risk. I mean, I sort of thought, okay, social media provider, I know what that is, Twitter,
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YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, but says who?
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You know, and if the bill said social media provider means Facebook, TikTok, Twitter, X, whatever,
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okay, it would still be a terrible piece of legislation for so many reasons, but at least we would have
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certainty on that front. But they could decide that the rebel news is a social media service,
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you know, because you're sending out emails and posting YouTube videos.
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Nothing stops the federal government from declaring a church, a non-profit, a charity,
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an independent media to be covered by this. The other frightening thing is you've got...
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Let me stop you for one second. Hold that thought. Don't lose that thought. Don't lose it.
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Because I want to add a clause to what you just said there. If we are deemed to be a social media
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company, then that gives them all sorts of invasive powers to come in and root around in
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our material. I did cover that part. I just thought, okay, they want to snoop around Elon Musk's
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business. They want to look through his files and do education and advocacy. I did think about that
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yesterday, but I only thought of Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg as the target. Deeming us a social
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media service lets bureaucrats come into our office and have access to our computers. I didn't
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understand the threat until you just said that. I didn't mean to interrupt you, but I wanted to say
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what happens if we're deemed a social media network, because I never contemplated that until you
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put the fear into me. Anyhow, sorry to interrupt your flow. You were about to make a second point
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before I interrupted you. I just noticed it because the bill says expressly that the federal
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cabinet gets to define what is a social media service. They get to define that. It's not defined
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by the law that is passed by parliament. If it was defined as being limited to Facebook and Twitter,
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again, it would be terrible legislation, but we wouldn't have to worry about that. But now we do.
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Are they going to go after charities and say, we want to look into your electronic records and we
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want to monitor and control what you're putting into your email newsletter that you're sending out
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to your donors and supporters? In conjunction with that, we're going to hire a vast new army of
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bureaucrats that will have the power to shut down. These regulations also empower the federal cabinet to
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create penalties and to specify what kind of content is allowed or not allowed.
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We've already got a situation. I've been thinking about this chant. I'm sure you've heard it and
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many of the viewers of The Rebel have heard it. From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
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Now, in Estonia and Germany and Czech Republic, the authorities have declared that to be criminal speech.
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It was somebody was charged with it in the Netherlands and then ultimately acquitted by the Dutch Supreme
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Court saying it was not criminal speech. We had a man in Calgary charged with saying that charges were
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stayed. But do we really want the government parsing political slogans, however offensive they might be?
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Because this is this is the real risk. They're increasing the penalty for advocating genocide. So let's advocate that the
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killing of a people group, presumably based on ethnicity or religion or otherwise. Maximum penalties five years. I think that's
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enough of a deterrent. It's already dangerous considering how the government could use its power to define advocacy for genocide.
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But no, that's not good enough. That penalty for advocating for genocide, just words alone, you could go to
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prison for life for that. I think that five years maximum penalty is more than adequate as a deterrent.
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And by the way, there's this new standalone hate speech crime that they're proposing that doesn't just cover that
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example. There's a list of prohibited characteristics that you're not allowed to offend.
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Or they're phrases to foment hatred towards. And in that list, there's the ones that we're used to.
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Race, religion, sex, national origin, things like that. But there's sexual orientation and there's two new ones.
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Gender identity and gender expression. And what do those words even mean? Gender identity is you say,
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well, I don't care what you say. I feel like a woman. I feel like a girl. Sure, I have a beard and
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I still have my twig and berries, but I identify as a woman. So I'm going into the girls change room
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now and I'm going to swim against the girls. That's gender identity. Gender expression is,
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okay, I shaved my beard, I put on makeup and I'm pretending to be a girl.
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If you run afoul of those two banned characteristics, you could be liable for a hate crime.
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I mean, listen, we don't have the details here yet, but that standalone hate crime is life in prison.
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It's not just, I mean, and think about what a controversy transgenderism is in the country.
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Anyone who dares to challenge it can be charged with a hate crime. Am I wrong on that, John? You're
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the guy who's been looking at this through a legal lens. Is it true that if you criticize
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transgenderism and someone complains, you could either be hit with a criminal prosecution, you could
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be hit with a recognizance order where you're put under house arrest, you could be prosecuted before
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the Human Rights Tribunal and subject to $20,000 in compensation and a $50,000 fine. If you fight against
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transgenderism in a way that the government doesn't like, you could be fined or even jailed or put under
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house arrest. Did I get that right? You got it right. And this gets back to the duplication because
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the gender identity and gender expression have already been added to the criminal code of Canada.
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So the willful promotion of hatred against a group on the basis of gender identity or gender expression
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is already a criminal code offense as things stand right now. So potentially, if you were a vociferous
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critic and maybe you didn't choose your words wisely and you came out with a sledgehammer,
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maybe you used an atomic bomb to kill a fly. If you go over the top on criticizing this transgender
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ideology and the activism, you could be facing criminal charges. But there you would have the
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defense of truth. You would have the defense of discussing a topic in the public interest. You would
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have other defenses available. The other duplicative thing, and this is really interesting,
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the criminal code already empowers judges to impose a more severe penalty if the judge has reviewed
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the facts and has looked into it. If the judge is sentencing somebody for murder or assault or vandalism
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or any other crime, if the judge determines that that crime was motivated by hatred, the judge already
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has the authority to impose a stronger sentence. Now, I'll give you an example. If there's a bunch of
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idiot thugs who very mindlessly put a bunch of graffiti on the wall, on the outside wall of a
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synagogue, but they don't really care where they're doing it and they're just using any old wall,
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they're guilty of vandalism, property destruction, which is a criminal code offense.
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However, if they're painting swastikas and slogans like death to the Jews on the synagogue wall,
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they could get a more severe punishment because that would be a hate crime. So the judges already
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have the authority that if a crime, property damage, murder, assault, whatever, if a crime is motivated by
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hate, the judge can impose a more severe sentence. That's already on the books. And this gets back to this
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grandstanding of, you know, oh, well, now we need a standalone hate crime. No. It's one thing to
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have a stiffer penalty where there is evidence that the crime was motivated by hate, but you have to
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actually be found guilty of doing something criminal. Of that other crime, of the underlying crime.
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And then you can get a higher penalty. But a standalone hate crime is, it's just Orwellian.
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Yeah. I want to ask you about the thing that I'm actually worried about from a practical point of
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view here at Rebel News. You talked about the slippery definition of social media and I had
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frankly never thought of that before. The criminal code provisions, I think that they'll probably go
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after egregious cases. I think a lot of them will be stayed. I think for the first few years, police
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and prosecutors, while they figure it out, they'll probably overcharge and then, you know, maybe abandon
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in certain cases. I'm not worried in an extremely acute way about the criminal side for me and Rebel
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News. What I am absolutely worried about is the Canadian Human Rights Act changes, which I don't
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know if you remember, but about a dozen years ago, Stephen Harper repealed the hate speech provision in
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part based on the experience that myself and Mark Stein went through being prosecuted for human rights
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offenses for hate speech. In my case, it was for publishing the Danish cartoons of Mohammed.
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Those are back now, but there's a wrinkle. Anyone who files a complaint under the Human Rights Act,
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and so you don't need to be a policeman, you don't need to be a prosecutor, just any person,
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you don't even have to be a Canadian citizen, any person can file a complaint. And for, you know,
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let's say we did an article criticizing a transgender swimmer in a girl's change room.
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If that can foment hatred against a trans person, I don't know, could be, I suppose. Well, then we have
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to pay the complainant $20,000, up to $20,000, and we have to pay the government up to $50,000. So it's
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a $70,000 hit per incident. But the crazy, so first of all, you're stimulating a whole cottage industry
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of complainers. You're basically saying you don't have to just shout into the wind or heckle on Twitter.
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You can make money off this. You can file a complaint every day. And if even only one in
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ten of your complaints comes true, you've got yourself a six-figure living. But here's the
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insane part, John, and it's so scary to me, and I don't think this has got enough attention.
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You can make these complaints in secret. Your identity can be withheld from the person you're
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complaining against. And if you find it out anyways, he can be hit with a court order not to
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tell anyone who you are. So you can have secret grudges by rivals, by competitors, by spurned
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exes, by professional activists, by rival political parties. You can be hit with hundreds,
00:31:19.960
why not thousands, of nuisance complaints. You'll never know who they are. You'll have to pay each
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one of them up to 20 grand if you lose. That's how they're going to kill Rebel News, in my view.
00:31:32.280
Not through a state prosecution for a crime. I don't think they'd win. But by unleashing a thousand
00:31:39.000
woke complainers just to bury us under paperwork. I think that's the future here.
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Well, I agree with you, unfortunately. I wish I could disagree. If this bill passes,
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an atheist in Vancouver can file a human rights complaint against a Christian lady in Halifax who
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makes derogatory comments about a mosque in Toronto, even if the members of the mosque in Toronto are not
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offended by what she said. So it's all traditionally in law, both on the criminal side and the civil side,
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you have a victim or you have a plaintiff who has suffered damage.
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You need standing. You need a reason to go to court. It's not for busybodies. There's a phrase in
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law, an officious intermeddler. You can't be a meddler. You can't be a busybody. You don't get to
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go to court just because you want to pick a fight with someone. You need standing. This bill lets
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anyone complain about anyone and stay secret. Well, the chilling effect on, I'm sure you've covered this
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to a great deal. But the chilling effect is horrendous. Many Canadians, including you and
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I and many others, will just continue to speak the way that we always have and we will state our
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opinions. But a lot of people are going to suffer from this chilling effect. Because right now,
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let's say that you made some very vociferous, very aggressive and even unfair
00:32:59.720
criticisms against Islam. And you cited certain passages of the Quran and you said, you know,
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that you said that the Quran was advocating murder or whatever. So you make all these anti-Islamic
00:33:12.680
comments. You're probably not, you're not that likely to get criminally prosecuted. In fact,
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there's a defense there of expressing an opinion based on a sincere belief on a religious text.
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So, but with the human rights thing, it's a totally different ball game because the
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prosecutor only needs to prove on the balance of probability. You don't need a victim who suffered
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harm. It can be an anonymous, busy body. And, you know, as you wrote so eloquently in your book,
00:33:46.440
Shakedown, a number of years ago, which I enjoyed reading, when you go to a lawyer, he's probably going
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to tell you, you know what, don't bother spending $50,000 on a legal defense. Just write the $5,000
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check, issue an apology and get on with your life. That is a chilling effect. And so people are,
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a lot of people are just not going to speak freely. And that's how, uh, freedom of expression dies,
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We could talk about this for hours. I mean, I, I went on for two and a half hours yesterday,
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and Marty joined us, Marty from your shop at the JCCF. I think that the liberal government is
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deadly serious about this. This is their third internet regulation bill in a year, C11, C18.
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Now this one, C63. The justice minister actually had his title changed. I don't know if you caught
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that, John. He's now the justice minister, attorney general, and minister of state for online harms.
00:34:45.000
It's literally added to his title. There's hundreds of laws on the book, hundreds of sections of the
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criminal code. The only one that's in his job title is online harms. This is the most important bill
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in their minds. It's one of three censorship laws. They've obviously cut a deal with the NDP. They're
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going to fast track through parliament. This is their last gasp, their Hail Mary pass. And it's the,
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it's the battle of Armageddon. This is the final battle, I think, John. And, and I think rebel news,
00:35:14.040
whether we want to or not, it's going to be the pointy ends of that spear. Because I just,
00:35:19.160
I can't imagine we wouldn't be hit with these provisions, one of the first people in the country.
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I just think, I just think that they think of us when they think of who they target. Maybe that's
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a little bit of narcissism on my part to think we're more important than we are. But we've been hit
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with so many of these nuisance actions before. Trudeau personally attacks us. His cabinet
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personally attacks us. We are looming large on their radar screen. I cannot imagine a future
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where they don't come at us. I just don't think that would ever happen. We will be thrust into
00:35:52.680
this fight. And so we should prepare for it now. Last word to you, John.
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Well, the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing.
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So Canadians need to roll up their sleeves, contact their federal MP, especially if you're,
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and we are, I am strictly nonpartisan, but just from a political tactics and strategy viewpoint,
00:36:13.800
particularly if, if your member of parliament is, is liberal or NDP and is planning to vote in favor
00:36:19.160
of this, that's all the more reason to contact them because MPs do take into account the number of
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emails and phone calls that they are getting. So people, uh, need to be, uh, active and actively
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involved in the democratic process. And, uh, ultimately at the end of the day, it's, it's,
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it's we as citizens, assuming our responsibilities as citizens to be fully engaged in the democratic
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process. That's going to win the war, uh, for freedom and justice and truth.
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John, keep up the fight out there. We're glad you're on this file.
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All right. You too. There you have it. John Carpe,
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the boss of the justice center for constitutional freedom. Stay with us more ahead.
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Hey, welcome back to your letters to me. James Friesen said,
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this needs to be challenged in court immediately if it passes. Yeah. As I, as I said a little bit
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early in the show, you can't sue yet because it's not enforced yet. Uh, even once it's proclaimed as
00:37:23.160
law, they have to set up those 300 killer censorship agencies. It will probably be months, maybe even
00:37:29.320
a year, but we want to get ready now. Hobbes says, surely Trudeau's vilification of the truckers
00:37:36.040
and unvaccinated has caused hatred towards them by some. I wonder if he will hold himself to his own
00:37:41.000
party standards. Well, that's the thing. It's like Lavrenti Beria said in the Soviet Union,
00:37:45.400
show me the man. I'll find you the crime. Everyone is guilty of this law. Everyone in
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the country is. You, you've never felt the feeling of hate in your heart. If so, you're not a normal
00:37:55.720
human. Every human feels love and hate, contempt and respect, happiness and sorrow. That's part of
00:38:01.720
a full personality. Being a grownup, we don't act out. We don't like a two year old might smash things
00:38:07.000
if he's full of anger. Um, when you're 22 or 52, hopefully you're more restrained and more
00:38:12.360
constructive and a social, you know, you're sociable and you're a good part of society.
00:38:17.880
But this is about regulating feelings. Every single person has some hate in their heart. We're not
00:38:23.640
saints. We're sinners. And what this does is it criminalizes a feeling, not a real damage. Like if
00:38:30.840
someone stabs you or steals from you or smashes you, that's real damage and you've suffered a real loss.
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But if someone has a feeling in their heart towards you, how is that a crime? Well, this law makes
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it a crime. CS says Canada's MAID program clearly violates one of those provisions.
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It is amazing how the importance of mental health is stressed here, yet ignored when it comes to the
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pronoun gang and their confused sexuality. You know, I don't, I don't know how closely the MAID issue is
00:38:58.920
linked to the censorship issue. I just don't, I'm not seeing that very clearly right now. But I think
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this touches on pretty much anyone who's contrarians. Pierre Pauliev was pretty close to the mark
00:39:10.200
when he said hate speech is just speech that Trudeau hates. And that gets back to that
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Lavrenti-Berry. You know who I'm talking about, the secret policeman under Stalin.
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This law gives them the power to arrest anyone. And theoretically, God forbid, put them in jail for life.
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Because every single human being is guilty of having some hate in their heart.
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And this law says that is enough to put you away.
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Well, that's our show for today. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters,
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to you at home, good night. And keep fighting for freedom.