Rebel News Podcast - August 19, 2025


EZRA LEVANT ｜ Trump invites Ukraine’s allies to Washington—minus Mark Carney


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00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. Very interesting days with the second Ukraine Peace Summit within a week.
00:00:06.020 And I think we're going to have a third very soon also. What's happening? Why wasn't Mark Carney
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00:01:15.240 Tonight, the world's leaders converge on Washington, D.C. for Ukraine peace talks.
00:01:20.360 But why wasn't Mark Carney invited? It's August 18th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.
00:01:27.360 Shame on you, you censorious bug.
00:01:40.920 Well, I don't know if you watched it on Friday. It was absolutely riveting to me.
00:01:45.240 The summit between Russian President Vladimir Putin and U.S. President Donald Trump. It was historic
00:01:52.040 in a way. I mean, first of all, it ended the attempt to isolate and sanction Vladimir Putin
00:01:58.120 for his invasion of Ukraine in February of 2022. Both the isolation and the sanctions are still in
00:02:05.880 place, I should say. For example, the Russian president's plane needed to refuel. Normally,
00:02:12.680 that would be done electronically, but they literally had to pay cash because Russia is banned
00:02:18.120 from using any banking system in the West, including credit cards and the SWIFT system.
00:02:23.360 So even in Putin's arrival, sanctions and isolation were in place. But, you know, it was so symbolic.
00:02:30.920 And you could see that Vladimir Putin was quite pleased to be there.
00:02:33.600 Although Donald Trump, too, seemed quite pleased to end an era of unsuccessful responses to Russia's
00:02:41.920 invasion of Ukraine. Whatever you think of that war, and I think it's clear it was an aggressive
00:02:46.940 war by Russia, the sanctions just weren't working. In fact, it retooled the Russian economy to aim
00:02:53.860 towards China. Russia found new markets for its energy, and it found new vendors for its retail goods.
00:03:01.820 I just don't think it actually worked. I don't know if you remember, I did a story on this a while
00:03:06.300 ago. Despite the sanctions, during the war, Russia overtook Germany as the, I think it was the fourth
00:03:16.440 largest economy in the world, but Russia moved ahead of Germany. How is that possible? Part of it,
00:03:23.980 of course, is Germany is sabotaging itself by investing in costly and destructive green energy
00:03:30.640 programs. But nonetheless, it's quite something for Russia in the middle of a war with sanctions
00:03:36.080 to actually grow bigger than Germany. Putin and Trump shaking hands, talking at length,
00:03:42.560 was an image that the Russians were delighted to show because it means the marginalization is over.
00:03:47.120 However, you don't want to just look at it from the point of view of the West. Russia was never
00:03:51.600 marginalized in other parts of the world, like the Middle East, Asia, or Africa.
00:03:55.840 So that was the first step in getting a normalized kind of communication going on. And there was a
00:04:02.960 tremendous reaction by the mainstream media to criticize Trump for even having that and for
00:04:08.000 certainly granting this symbolism to Putin. But I think that's the thing about peace deals. You make
00:04:14.240 peace with your enemies, not with your friends. Now, Trump was insistent that this wasn't his war,
00:04:20.240 which is true. It's a war between Russia and Ukraine. So I think Trump was extra repellent
00:04:28.720 to that accusation that he was somehow doing something he ought not to. So that was Friday.
00:04:34.640 And as soon as it was over, in fact, it all happened at a military base in Alaska, which is very
00:04:42.240 interesting in itself. It was a very quick journey. It was about equidistant between Moscow and Washington,
00:04:49.680 DC. Both leaders had to fly in there. It was on a military base, which I think made it very secure.
00:04:55.200 And I have to say, in the back of my mind, the whole time I was thinking,
00:04:58.560 there are a lot of forces that don't want that peace deal to happen. And the chances of the Russian
00:05:05.920 leader's plane being shot down by someone who didn't want a peace deal were real. And I think you
00:05:13.120 could see some of the protections taken when American F-22 fighters actually escorted the
00:05:19.280 Russian plane. Perhaps it was just symbolism, but there was a lot going on there. Anyways,
00:05:24.720 that was on Friday. Trump and his lead negotiator, Wychkoff is his name, who also is running the Hamas
00:05:31.680 negotiations. Plus, Marco Rubio got on the phone right away with the other European allies and
00:05:36.560 brought them up to speed. And they decided to have a meeting today in Washington, DC. Very quick.
00:05:42.960 Trump doesn't waste time. He wants to get this thing done. Remember he said he thought it could
00:05:46.480 be solved in a day. He was using hyperbole, but still he wants to move quickly. And so wouldn't
00:05:51.600 you know it, half a dozen leading democratic leaders from France, from the UK, from Italy, from Germany,
00:06:01.440 the head of NATO, the head of the European Union came to Washington, DC at Trump's request. And again,
00:06:08.720 that was taken as a sign of weakness by the regime media who said, aha, they're here to oppose you,
00:06:15.040 Donald Trump, who said, no, actually, I invited them of what he called the coalition of the willing.
00:06:22.080 Chancellor Murs was there from Germany. And there was a guy named Alexander Stubb. Now,
00:06:27.520 without Googling it, do you know who Alexander Stubb is? And I confess, I didn't. So don't feel
00:06:34.000 bad if you didn't. He's the leader of Finland, which is a pretty small country. It's not that small
00:06:41.920 physically, but population-wise about 5 million people. So less than the greater Toronto area.
00:06:47.920 And you might be thinking, why was the leader of Finland invited to this meeting, but not Mark Carney?
00:06:57.200 Canada is eight times bigger in terms of population, in terms of committing to Ukraine's
00:07:03.760 military. Canada was disproportionately spendy, about 20 billion Canadian dollars, if I'm doing the
00:07:12.720 conversion correctly, much more than Finland. I don't know if it was an animosity between Trump and
00:07:19.680 Carney. It seems like Zelensky didn't lift a finger to get Mark Carney there. It was just sort of
00:07:26.240 odd, because it was sort of like the G7 meeting without the Japanese and without the Canadians.
00:07:32.320 I know why the Japanese weren't there. They're really not involved in this Ukraine war. They
00:07:36.160 have not been diplomatically or financially a part of it. But is there a country that has been noisier
00:07:41.840 about its support for Ukraine than Canada, first under Trudeau and then under Mark Carney. And he simply
00:07:46.880 wasn't invited. I found that remarkable and so interesting. And he tried to fill the void,
00:07:53.200 Mark Carney did, by having a meeting with Doug Ford.
00:07:57.760 How are you going to talk about this?
00:08:00.320 Well, actually, I'm just going to meet with Minister Leblanc. We'll have a discussion of
00:08:03.760 that and an important discussion with Premier Ford this morning on a variety of aspects for the
00:08:09.760 Ontario economy, the Canadian economy, which of course includes trade, but goes much more to the
00:08:15.440 issues that we can control and how we build out from within.
00:08:18.240 Doug Ford thought he would badmouth Trump a bit more. That seems to be all Ford really does.
00:08:34.800 Maybe that's part of the reason why Canada wasn't invited, because every time Doug Ford, who is a
00:08:41.200 proxy of Mark Carney now talks, it's to insult Trump in a way that I think everyone who has been
00:08:46.640 following Trump for any time at all knows that if you personally prick him, if you personally
00:08:51.760 attack him, he remembers that. And it can't be an accident that Doug Ford is doing his best
00:08:57.760 to keep Trump hostile towards Canada. I just simply don't know how that works to Doug Ford's
00:09:04.400 advantage. I don't get it. If I was Doug Ford, I would be worried about the auto sector, which
00:09:09.440 the majority of which is in Ontario. I don't understand it. I don't understand how it's good for
00:09:14.320 the country. But that's Doug Ford for you. And Mark Carney, of course, doesn't say a word
00:09:19.280 against it. It's just really, really weird. Donald Trump is so unpredictable. I don't even know
00:09:26.000 what he if he knows what he's doing tomorrow morning. So let's start focusing on creating that
00:09:32.000 environment. Is there an acceptance, I guess, from from leaders that we'll just have the tariffs?
00:09:38.880 Again, he's the prime minister will speak on that. But the president is unpredictable. He'll come out
00:09:44.560 with some cockamamie thing tomorrow that we don't even know about. So do you think that Mark Carney is
00:09:50.320 being two elbows down in response? Not at all. Not at all. He's doing an incredible job. He's working
00:09:55.440 collaboratively with 12 other premiers and myself and working as Team Canada. And he's he's doing a very,
00:10:04.640 very good job, in my opinion, put in his position dealing with Donald Trump. Let's stop worrying
00:10:12.000 about Donald Trump. We'll start focusing on Ontario and Canada. Oh, by the way, Doug Ford was asked if
00:10:17.760 he has any advice for the leader of the opposition, Pierre Polyev. And the advice was, yeah, to the leader
00:10:24.320 of the opposition, don't oppose. He actually said that. Premier, today is Pierre Polyev's by-election.
00:10:30.080 If he gets elected, I'm wondering, what's what's your advice to him going into the fall sitting of
00:10:34.720 the parliament? Work with the prime minister. How's it? It's Team Canada. You know, let's put our
00:10:41.120 political stripes aside and start working together collectively on large infrastructure projects,
00:10:46.640 on other areas that he can cooperate with the government. Last question. Would you have plans to
00:10:52.560 meet with Polyev to push that message and make sure that he is working with the prime minister? All I want
00:10:58.560 to do is move forward collectively as a government. I don't care about political stripes. The person I'm
00:11:05.200 working with right now is the prime minister of the day. And as far as I'm concerned, he's doing a
00:11:11.520 really, really good job considering the position he's been put in. I challenge anyone to try to deal
00:11:18.000 with Donald Trump, myself included. He's a different type of cat. But we're united. We know what we need to
00:11:25.840 do. And we know that we need to cut the regulatory burdens off of companies, lower taxes, put money
00:11:32.800 back into people's pockets, support companies that need investment to grow and expand here.
00:11:38.240 Yeah, what a dummy. I tell you one thing. Let me just tell you a promise. If Doug Ford ever runs for the
00:11:42.720 Conservative Party leadership, I will do everything in my power to make that not happen. I think he's a
00:11:49.840 disgrace to the word conservative. And I don't think he's why Pierre Polyev lost the last election,
00:11:56.800 but he certainly tried his best to make that happen. I don't know what his plan is, but I'll do my best to
00:12:01.600 make sure Doug Ford's plans are foiled. Back to Washington, D.C. It was a different spirit than the
00:12:06.800 last time Vladimir Zelensky came. So you had meeting number one with Vladimir Putin, which lasted longer
00:12:11.680 than most observers thought. It was about three and a half hours on Friday. Zelensky was here and along with all
00:12:17.280 those other leaders I mentioned, they had a one-on-one meeting, Trump and Zelensky, and then
00:12:22.160 they had the group meeting. And the spirit was very different. I mean, last time, I don't know if
00:12:26.880 you remember, it was a disaster. Zelensky was picking fights with J.D. Vance and Trump and,
00:12:32.720 and boy, Vance and Trump were pushing back. Let me just play a little bit of that to you.
00:12:36.640 It was one of the most shocking things I had ever seen in the Oval Office. Just a reminder, take a look.
00:12:40.640 I'm talking about the kind of diplomacy that's going to end the destruction of your country.
00:12:44.320 Yes, but if you are not strong- Mr. President, Mr. President, with respect,
00:12:47.040 I think it's disrespectful for you to come into the Oval Office and try to litigate this in front
00:12:50.560 of the American media. Right now, you guys are going around and forcing conscripts to the front
00:12:55.760 lines because you have manpower problems. You should be thanking the President for trying to bring it
00:13:00.560 into this conflict. Have you ever been to Ukraine that you say what problems we have?
00:13:04.240 I have been to- Come once.
00:13:06.480 I have actually, I've actually watched and seen the stories, and I know what happens is you bring people,
00:13:12.640 you bring them on a propaganda tour, Mr. President. Do you disagree that you've had problems
00:13:18.240 bringing people into your military? We have problems.
00:13:20.160 And do you think that it's respectful to come to the Oval Office of the United States of America
00:13:24.640 and attack the administration that is trying to prevent the destruction of your country?
00:13:28.880 A lot of questions. Let's start from the beginning. Sure.
00:13:31.760 First of all, during the war, everybody has problems. Even you. But you have nice ocean,
00:13:38.080 and don't feel now. But you will feel it in the future. God bless.
00:13:42.640 You don't know that. God bless.
00:13:43.760 You don't know that. God bless. You will not have the war.
00:13:46.080 Don't tell us what we're going to feel. We're trying to solve a problem.
00:13:49.360 Don't tell us what we're going to feel. I'm not telling you.
00:13:51.840 Because you're in no position to dictate that. Remember this.
00:13:54.640 I'm not dictating. You're in no position
00:13:56.800 to dictate what we're going to feel.
00:13:59.760 We're going to feel very good. You will feel influence.
00:14:01.840 We're going to feel very good and very strong. I'm telling you. You will feel influence.
00:14:05.360 You're right now not in a very good position. You've allowed yourself to be in a very bad
00:14:10.080 position. And he happens to be right about it. From the very beginning of the war.
00:14:13.600 You're not in a good position. You don't have the cards right now.
00:14:17.440 With us, you start having cards. I'm not playing cards.
00:14:19.520 Right now, you're playing cards. I'm very serious, Mr. President.
00:14:21.840 You're playing cards. You're gambling with the lives of millions of people. You're
00:14:26.240 gambling with World War III. You're gambling with World War III. And what you're doing is very
00:14:33.520 disrespectful to the country, this country. It's back to you.
00:14:38.160 Far more than a lot of people said they should have.
00:14:40.880 Have you said thank you words?
00:14:42.160 Well, this time Zelensky actually wore a suit to begin with. And he said the word thank you
00:14:50.960 10 times in the meeting that at least the journalists heard.
00:14:54.880 So I think Zelensky realized Trump and Putin have pretty much come to an agreement.
00:15:00.880 This is his opportunity to maybe tweak it. But I'll tell you my thoughts about where this
00:15:05.440 is going to go in a moment. Trump was right, though, when he said that no one else could
00:15:13.200 possibly make this deal happen. No one could chair a meeting with both Putin and Zelensky. No one could
00:15:21.440 summon Putin and summon seven European leaders and do this. I mean, who would do it? Emmanuel Macron,
00:15:28.720 Keir Starmer. I mean, Trump likes to take credit for these things. But what if it's actually true?
00:15:36.080 Here, take a look.
00:15:36.800 So people can say whatever they want. Ultimately, at the end of the day, we have to get the Russian
00:15:41.840 side to agree to things that they don't want to agree to if we're going to have peace. If not,
00:15:46.160 there'll just be a war. They'll keep killing each other. And life will go on in America and in the rest of
00:15:50.240 the world, but not for Ukraine. So the president has invested a lot of time in trying to bring an
00:15:54.480 end to this war. He deserves credit for doing that. He gets criticism for doing that. He could
00:15:59.120 just let this war go on. The president could have just said, this is Biden's war. It started under
00:16:03.440 him. We'll do what we can for Ukraine, but we're going to focus on other things. He could have
00:16:07.360 easily said that. But he's the only leader in the world that can get Putin to a meeting to talk about
00:16:12.080 serious things. I mean, they're mad. The media is mad. I think in some ways they loved this war,
00:16:17.360 which is weird. They hated that the war was started, but they loved Ukraine's defense of it.
00:16:23.760 And they accused Marco Rubio of platforming Putin. But I just don't know that when the leader
00:16:32.160 of the world's largest tactical nuclear weapon country, a massive country, a large economy in
00:16:39.360 the middle of a war. He's on the Security Council. I just don't think Trump was giving him those things.
00:16:45.120 He has them, whether or not the West acknowledges them. I think there are some people in the West
00:16:51.680 who think that Ukraine is winning the war, thinks that the sanctions are working. I just don't think
00:16:56.000 that's the case. Here's another clip. Critics of President Trump will say the
00:17:01.200 pomp and circumstances, pomp and circumstance, the red carpet, the warm handshake, that President Trump
00:17:08.880 simply lost that, that Putin gained there just by being on the world stage and walking down a red
00:17:14.800 carpet with the president. Your reaction to that? Well, I mean, critics of President Trump are always
00:17:19.920 going to find something to criticize. You don't pay attention to it anymore. But I will tell you this,
00:17:23.600 Putin is already on the world stage. He's already on the world stage. The guy's conducting a full-scale
00:17:28.400 war in Ukraine. He's already on the world stage. He has the world's largest tactical nuclear arsenal in
00:17:33.200 the world and the second largest strategic nuclear arsenal in the world. He's already on the world
00:17:37.680 stage. When I hear people say that, oh, it elevates him. Well, all we do is talk about Putin all the
00:17:42.400 time. All the media has done is talk about Putin all the time for the last four or five years.
00:17:46.240 That doesn't mean he's right about the war. That doesn't mean he's justified about the war.
00:17:49.520 Put all that aside. It means you're not going to have a peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine.
00:17:54.320 You're not going to end a war between Russia and Ukraine without dealing with Putin.
00:17:58.560 That's just common sense. I shouldn't even have to say it.
00:18:02.000 I mean, that's the thing about negotiating an end to wars is that you're working with your enemies.
00:18:06.400 And I understand not liking that. I mean, I can imagine how awful a lot of Israelis feel when
00:18:13.520 there's some ceasefire deal with Hamas. Like, those are diabolical Nazi-like killers. Imagine making
00:18:20.400 a deal with them. But that's the thing about ceasefires and peace deals. You have to make them with your
00:18:24.560 enemies. I mean, Donald Trump keeps pointing out that this is not his war in any way. He just wants
00:18:29.920 to solve it. And by the way, Vladimir Putin, after his meeting in Alaska, said in his view,
00:18:35.520 if Trump had been president in 2022, this war would not have begun, which is interesting.
00:18:41.600 I'd like to remind you that in 2022, during the last contact with the previous administration,
00:18:48.480 I tried to convince my previous American colleague that the situation should not be
00:18:58.560 brought to the point of no return when it would come to hostilities. And I said it quite directly
00:19:04.880 back then that it's a big mistake. Today, when President Trump saying that if he was the president
00:19:12.000 back then, there will be no war. And I'm quite sure that it would indeed be so. I can confirm that.
00:19:19.600 I think that overall, me and President Trump have built a very good business-like and trustworthy
00:19:26.880 contact. And I have every reason to believe that moving down this path, we can come, and the sooner
00:19:36.080 better, to the end of the conflict in Ukraine. I want to throw one more thing in here. And again,
00:19:40.960 Trump is self-serving, as every politician is. Trump's just better at it than most. But Donald
00:19:46.240 Trump has, even though he's only been in office since January, he has resolved a half dozen other
00:19:55.680 wars. Now, maybe you haven't heard of them because they're in places that aren't really top of mind
00:19:59.680 for us. But it is true. Here's his clip. This is a tremendous breakthrough in a few short months.
00:20:05.360 We've now achieved peace between India and Pakistan, Israel and Iran, and the DRC and Rwanda, and
00:20:15.840 a couple of others also. Serbia, you know, was, they were getting ready to go to war with a group. I
00:20:24.240 won't even mention because it didn't happen. We're able to stop it. But I have a friend in Serbia and they
00:20:29.360 said, we're going to go to war again. And I won't mention that it's Kosovo, but it's Kosovo. But they
00:20:39.360 were going to have a big time war and we stopped it. We stopped it because of trade. They want to
00:20:43.840 trade with the United States. I said, we don't trade with people that go to war. Trump's right when he
00:20:48.480 says these aren't his wars. But he really does seem interested in ending wars. It's interesting
00:20:53.680 that way. There's a liberal comedian named Bill Maher, who I think is actually very thoughtful.
00:20:59.360 And he's not afraid to zig when the rest of Hollywood zags. And here he is reminding his
00:21:05.520 liberal viewers that there was once upon a time when Democrats were against war, too. And now Trump
00:21:11.280 is that par excellence. You're listening to Bill Maher for a minute.
00:21:14.480 It's funny. I see that today is the anniversary of Woodstock. This is 56 years ago. And the hippies,
00:21:20.160 what did they hate more than anything else? War. What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
00:21:24.560 So if you're the kind of person who says, you know, you can find some good in anybody,
00:21:28.720 this would be the good in Donald Trump. He really does not like war. Thailand and Cambodia
00:21:35.520 were having a firing at each other. Rwanda and the Congo. Most people don't even know about these.
00:21:42.640 India and Pakistan, Armenia, Azerbaijan. He got involved in all of them. He really,
00:21:49.600 he doesn't really, he wants it. Now, the way he does it, as usual, not, you know, with Ukraine,
00:21:56.640 the solution was, well, surrender. Give Putin everything he wants. And even that didn't work.
00:22:01.520 That's the thing. He gave Putin anything he wanted and it didn't work. But again, let's not have the
00:22:06.400 zombie lie that he's still backing Putin because, first of all, he bombed Iran. That was a Putin ally.
00:22:12.320 He, he didn't get out of NATO. No. He mended fences with NATO. So, uh, and he put sanctions
00:22:18.720 back on Russia. So, you know. You're really coming around, Bill. I'm not coming around.
00:22:25.040 There's no coming around. There's just to what's true. This is true shit. Right. I don't come around.
00:22:31.440 I'm on anybody's team. I'm on the team. I'm on what's right, what's true, what happened. This is
00:22:36.800 what happened. He just doesn't like war. So, to recap, part one of the meetings was in Alaska.
00:22:43.280 Part two was today in Washington, D.C. And, uh, and they're going to have a part three,
00:22:51.200 I think, with just Zelensky, Trump, and Putin. By the way, I want to show you one more thing
00:22:58.480 about this Finnish leader whose name I've already forgotten and we'll probably never know again.
00:23:02.960 The Finn said something that I think is true. That in the last two weeks, more has been done
00:23:09.680 to bring about peace than in the last three and a half years. What do you think? Here's the Finn.
00:23:13.200 In the past two weeks, we've probably had more progress in ending this war than we have in the
00:23:19.280 past three and a half years. And I think the fact that we're around this table today is very much
00:23:26.000 symbolic in the sense that it's team Europe and team United States helping Ukraine. And the progress
00:23:32.720 that we're looking out of this meeting, uh, is about the security guarantees. By the way,
00:23:38.240 I think one of the reasons he was invited is he played golf with Trump and I think they got along.
00:23:42.480 But, um, Trump, you know, Trump has a sense of humor. He's got a cheeky sense of humor. Uh,
00:23:47.760 if you ever watch his long speeches at his rallies, they're, they're almost like a kind of standup
00:23:53.280 routine. He has his scripted serious stuff, but then he loves to riff. I mean, he's, he's got a
00:23:58.560 cheeky sense of humor. And there was one point when Trump sort of chided Vladimir Zelensky about
00:24:05.280 not having elections. Look at Trump make sort of an, a wry joke about that. Take a look.
00:24:10.480 So you say during, during the war, you can't have elections. So let me just say three and a half
00:24:16.080 years from now. So you mean, if we happen to be in a war with somebody, no more elections.
00:24:29.200 Anyways, a third meeting is, uh, coming.
00:24:32.240 I hope we have a good meeting. And if we can have a good meeting, I'll set up a meeting with
00:24:36.240 President Putin. And, uh, if you'd like, I'll go to that meeting. Not that I would want to do that,
00:24:42.720 but I will do that because we want to save a lot of people from dying. A lot of people dying,
00:24:48.240 we're going to save them. You know, Trump is the only one who could make this happen.
00:24:51.360 He didn't even bother calling Mark Carney. I think Mark Carney, uh, is deliberately trying to antagonize
00:24:58.560 Trump. He obviously ran an anti-Trump campaign. His proxy Doug Ford insults Trump all the time.
00:25:04.400 He does things that seem like they want to sabotage Canada U S negotiations, like right in the middle
00:25:10.000 of a negotiation, putting a huge digital services tax on U S companies or right in the middle of a
00:25:15.520 negotiation, um, where Trump is at the same time trying to negotiate peace with Hamas, uh, saying
00:25:21.840 he's going to support a Palestinian state. Like it's if, if you can get over the disbelief of even saying it,
00:25:29.760 all of these things would make sense if Mark Carney wanted to destroy the relationship with the United
00:25:36.080 States. I'm not convinced of that yet, but if you believe that Mark Carney is trying to disrupt
00:25:43.520 our relationship with the United States, then all of a sudden everything he's doing makes a lot more
00:25:48.720 sense. I don't know. I would have hoped that Canada would have been in that room sitting where that
00:25:54.480 Finn was sitting. I think Vladimir Putin wants things to end. I think basically he wants to keep
00:26:00.800 the land he has conquered in Ukraine and he wants to get Ukraine demilitarized to make sure it never
00:26:07.760 enters NATO. And that those are things he's been talking about as his rationale for invading. Well,
00:26:13.680 really since the beginning, Zelensky has been fighting so hard for so long. I don't think he wants
00:26:19.360 to give up the fight because he was so committed to it. And then, and many of his backers do too.
00:26:24.080 But I sense that even his European allies who were all there realized this is probably
00:26:30.240 the only off ramp. And what I mean by that is if this doesn't get done, I don't think Donald Trump
00:26:37.360 is going to invest his time, prestige, political capital on it anymore. I think he's going to walk away
00:26:43.600 and let the Europeans have it and let Zelensky fail on his own without American support. You know,
00:26:49.920 I used to watch a lot more of Professor John Mearsheimer from the University of Chicago.
00:26:57.280 He always predicted a terrible outcome in this war because Russia outnumbers Ukraine in population,
00:27:05.360 in artillery, in military, in so many ways. And it was just the grinding, almost World War I-style
00:27:12.720 trench warfare with drones. Here's Mearsheimer predicting what would happen in time where
00:27:20.960 Ukraine would be whittled down to what he would call a rump state. It would be constantly destabilized
00:27:25.840 by Russia and depopulated and made so it could never join NATO. Here's a clip of that.
00:27:32.560 Let me make two points on this. First of all, the phrase is sometimes used to describe the situation
00:27:39.200 in Ukraine that it is in a demographic death spiral. Just think about those words. It's in
00:27:47.520 a demographic death spiral. And what this war has done is ended up killing huge numbers of Ukrainians.
00:27:58.160 And furthermore, huge numbers of Ukrainians have left the country. And I would surmise that many of
00:28:04.400 them will not return. So this is a disaster from a demographic point of view. Ukraine is going to
00:28:11.600 end up as a dysfunctional rump state as well. And this is a disaster of great proportions.
00:28:18.640 That's a terrifying outcome, but I cannot see that it's wrong. That is the outcome if Ukraine and Russia
00:28:26.000 can't get a peace deal. And Mearsheimer, by the way, thought it was impossible to get a peace deal
00:28:31.360 because you're arguing over land and it's a zero-sum game. Some business deals are a positive
00:28:37.200 sum game. That is, both sides are winners. But how can you have a winner in this? There's only losers.
00:28:44.000 And if you're fighting over territory, for sure there's only losers. I don't think Trump will stick
00:28:50.640 around if he can't get a deal. I think he's moving very quickly. And I think if we're going to have a
00:28:55.360 deal, we'll have it in the next week. I think Putin will be reasonable enough in Trump's mind. I think
00:29:03.360 Putin will give Trump enough satisfaction that he's compromising enough that Zelensky will be the
00:29:10.960 decider to make or break the deal. But if he breaks it, he's on his own. We'll see. But as that Finnish
00:29:19.280 leader said, this is the best hope yet. Hey, let me play just one last clip. You know I'm interested
00:29:26.320 in the United Kingdom. They have a terrible prime minister, record low in the polls. I just want
00:29:30.560 to show you what he had to say at this meeting. This is Keir Starmer and he was given two minutes
00:29:35.840 to talk today. And tell me if you even understand this word salad. Thank you very much, Mr. President,
00:29:42.240 and thank you for hosting us here. Can I start where Emmanuel started, which is we all want peace.
00:29:49.680 The war in Ukraine has had a huge impact, particularly on the Ukrainians who've borne
00:29:54.240 the brunt of it. But it's also had an impact on Europe and on the United Kingdom. There's not a
00:29:59.840 family or community that hasn't been affected. And when we talk about security, we're talking about
00:30:05.680 security not just of Ukraine. We're talking about the security of Europe and the United Kingdom as well,
00:30:10.640 which is why this is such an important issue. I think this is such an important meeting.
00:30:14.640 As a group, I think we've had a discussion on the phone a number of times, Mr. President,
00:30:18.720 but be able now to be around the table to take it forward. And I really feel that we can, I think,
00:30:25.840 with the right approach this afternoon, make real progress, particularly on the security guarantees.
00:30:31.200 And your indication of security guarantees, some sort of Article 5 style guarantees, fits with what
00:30:36.960 we've been doing with the Coalition of the Willing, which we started some months ago, bringing countries
00:30:41.200 together and showing that we were prepared to step up to the plate when it came to security. With you
00:30:47.440 coming alongside the US, alongside what we've already developed, I think we could take a really important
00:30:53.520 step forward today. A historic step, actually, could come out of this meeting in terms of security
00:30:58.800 for Ukraine and security in Europe. I also feel that we can make real progress towards a just and
00:31:07.680 lasting outcome. Obviously, that has to involve Ukraine. And a trilateral meeting seems the sensible
00:31:14.720 next step. So thank you for being prepared to take that forward. Because I think if we can ensure that
00:31:22.720 that is the progress out of this meeting, both security guarantees and some sort of progress on
00:31:28.080 trilateral meeting of some sort to bring some of the difficult issues to a head, then I think
00:31:36.080 today will be seen as a very important day in recent years in relation to a conflict which has gone on
00:31:41.760 for three and a bit years. And so far, nobody has been able to bring it to this point. So I thank you for that.
00:31:47.520 Yeah, I'm not sure how the Ukraine war has affected every single family in the UK. I just
00:31:52.320 don't think it has, other than they gave billions of pounds to pay for it. I'm not sure if Russia is
00:31:58.000 going to accept British troops as a security guarantee in Ukraine. It seems like NATO soldiers
00:32:06.080 on Russia's borders is the whole reason Russia invaded in the first place. They're trying to remove
00:32:12.080 military threats, if you take them at their word for why they invaded. I don't know if you caught
00:32:18.000 that when Keir Starmer mentioned Article 5. He was talking about the NATO treaty, where an attack on
00:32:24.320 one country is considered an attack on all. It's a mutual defense pact. So he's suggesting that a
00:32:30.560 security guarantee, which Zelensky wants, would have British troops there. And if Russia were to invade
00:32:39.440 Ukraine again, the United Kingdom itself would go to war. I think that's what he was saying there.
00:32:48.400 But mainly, I just think it was Keir Starmer babbling. He's not a decider here and he knows it.
00:32:53.600 It's Trump and Putin and Zelensky can decide if he likes their deal or not. But I think this time it's
00:32:59.040 going to get done because I simply don't think Trump is going to spend, is going to take another crack at
00:33:03.920 it if he doesn't get it done this first time. But could you imagine how rambling and empty Mark
00:33:11.840 Carney would have been? At least Keir Starmer, the Brit, has an army and a navy and an air force to pledge.
00:33:20.080 At least he could say, we're going to do this and that. We're going to move men here and there,
00:33:24.560 even if Russia wouldn't accept that. But what would Mark Carney be able to say? What does Canada's
00:33:31.360 government have other than self-righteousness? Hey, how do you feel about Canada having spent
00:33:39.200 close to $20 billion on this war and not even receiving an invitation to attend? Stay with us for more.
00:33:46.880 I don't think I've done a show about it, but a couple of weeks ago, Donald Trump brought in a
00:34:01.680 new executive order that's going to be incredibly important for conservatives and libertarians
00:34:07.760 and Christians, anyone who has been on the outside of American power for the Biden administration,
00:34:14.240 the Obama administration. I'm talking about an executive order called guaranteeing fair banking
00:34:20.720 for all Americans. In a phrase, it will end political debanking. Debanking is a made up word for when a
00:34:30.720 bank fires you as a customer, not because you've done anything wrong, like say money laundering or
00:34:37.120 something like that, something that actually the bank would not want to have anything to do with you,
00:34:41.200 but for political purposes. In fact, let me read to you from one of the very first paragraphs of this
00:34:47.840 executive order. I'm just going to read a couple of lines. Financial institutions have been engaged in
00:34:54.320 unacceptable practices to restrict law-abiding individuals and businesses access to financial
00:34:59.680 services on the basis of political or religious beliefs or lawful business activities. Some financial
00:35:07.520 institutions participated in government-directed surveillance programs targeting persons participating
00:35:13.520 in activities and causes commonly associated with conservatism. It goes on and gives a few examples,
00:35:20.880 including transactions related to companies like Cabela's, that's a company that sells, you know,
00:35:27.440 fishing gear and firearms, Bass Pro Shop, or who made peer-to-peer payments that involved terms like Trump
00:35:34.880 or MAGA, even though there was no specific evidence tying these individuals to criminal
00:35:39.360 conduct. It's a very meaty executive order, but the crux of it is you can no longer debank someone
00:35:49.280 for breaking these political rules. And not just that, different regulators are now empowered to
00:35:56.000 investigate cases including, quote, past or current, formal or informal policies or practices that require,
00:36:05.520 encourage, or otherwise influence such financial institutions to engage in politicized or unlawful
00:36:13.040 debanking. And by the way, it has teeth too. They can be subject to court orders, huge fines. The reason I
00:36:22.960 bring this to your attention is that the United States isn't just passing executive orders for itself.
00:36:31.120 Other banks do business in the United States, including Canadian banks. You might recall a couple
00:36:37.120 of years ago, Rebel News tried to get a mortgage to buy an office in Calgary. And the local mortgage
00:36:43.360 officers at the Royal Bank were fans of Rebel News. They said, absolutely. They gave us a green light.
00:36:49.120 They even offered us a line of credit we didn't even ask for. But later, they told us it was their
00:36:54.800 head office in Toronto that spiked the deal for, quote, reputational reasons. Now, there's no law
00:37:02.400 against debanking in Canada. In fact, it's sort of the opposite, isn't it? You might recall that during
00:37:07.840 the trucker convoy, without any legal basis, the federal government simply gave a list of names to the
00:37:15.440 banks and demanded that they seize or freeze family bank accounts. If there was a husband
00:37:21.760 that was in a truck and had a joint account with the wife while missus is out shopping for groceries,
00:37:27.920 suddenly none of her cards work. It was an abuse of debanking, no checks and balances whatsoever.
00:37:33.760 And frankly, it was one of the main reasons why the federal court of Canada ruled that the
00:37:39.040 emergencies act was illegal and unconstitutional. Debanking was what did it. Now, Canada still has
00:37:46.640 debanking as my own story proves to you. But now that the U.S. is banning it and punishing such banks,
00:37:53.840 I got a question for you. Will that apply to Canadian banks that operate in the States?
00:38:00.960 For example, one of the largest Canadian banks called TD Canada Trust has a big presence in the
00:38:07.040 U.S. They just call themselves TD down there. They were engaged in massive money laundering,
00:38:12.800 hundreds of millions of dollars. That's fine up here in Canada, you see our regulators turn a blind
00:38:18.640 eye to that. But they were caught in the States, had to pay a $3 billion fine, and it resulted in the
00:38:24.400 shuffle of senior management. My point is that it took American regulators to whip a Canadian bank into
00:38:31.280 shape. Will that happen here? Will Canadian banks that do business in the States now have to stop
00:38:38.400 their debanking if they wish to continue to operate down there? And the reason I tell you all of this
00:38:45.600 is because we have just learned of a case of a Canadian Christian organization that has been debanked
00:38:52.800 and was not given any explanation. Well, that explains it in itself, doesn't it? I'm talking about
00:38:58.720 the Association for Reformed Political Action Canada and their Executive Director, Mike Shoten,
00:39:04.400 joins us now via Skype. Mike, great to see you. Thanks for coming on the show today.
00:39:09.120 Yeah, good to be here. That's right.
00:39:11.120 Now, first of all, tell our viewers a little bit about the Association for Reformed
00:39:15.920 Political Action Canada. I don't think your name really gives away what you do. Are you the kind of
00:39:23.360 group that I listed there that would be picked on like this? Do you have a religious or a political
00:39:29.360 angle that might cause someone to try and de-platform you? Yeah, we're a Christian political
00:39:35.520 advocacy organization. So, ARPA Canada, the Association for Reformed Political Action, has a
00:39:40.080 mission to educate, equip, and encourage reformed Christians and Christians at large across the country
00:39:46.240 to political action. And we also take a biblical perspective directly to our civil authorities. So,
00:39:51.360 that's to the courts and to the legislatures across the country. We've been doing that work since 2007,
00:39:58.640 and we've had a relationship with financial institutions in Canada since that time as well.
00:40:04.720 Well, I tell you right there, I've heard all I need to hear. I mean, remember, this is the Canadian
00:40:08.960 government that a few years ago, if you wanted a student to sign up for the student summer student
00:40:16.000 program where you get a grant to hire summer students, you had to sign an attestation to agree
00:40:23.040 with Justin Trudeau on matters like abortion. You literally had to swear to support Justin Trudeau's
00:40:29.280 views on that issue, or you would not get any student funding. Just absolutely political bullying.
00:40:38.320 So, I'm not surprised that you found yourself debanked. Tell me a little bit about it. What was
00:40:43.920 the bank? What did you use that bank account for? Were you doing anything unusual? Tell us about the
00:40:51.200 banking you did and how it came to be that they decided to fire you and deplatform you as a customer.
00:40:58.160 Yeah, certainly. So, we have a relationship with a few financial institutions here in Canada,
00:41:04.880 with this particular institution, Canadian Western Bank. We've been with them since 2008. And yet,
00:41:10.080 for the most part, they are the institution whereby we had a relationship through with all our monthly
00:41:15.920 donors. So, the stable revenue that was coming in to support our organization was coming into that
00:41:22.000 financial institution every month, and we never had a problem. We had a very good,
00:41:26.400 healthy relationship with that bank. And then, somewhat out of the blue, on July 30th,
00:41:33.120 we received a letter regarding account closure. And I initially thought this had something to do
00:41:38.720 with their merger, which had been announced earlier this year with National Bank of Canada.
00:41:43.840 But certainly, it didn't. When I looked at the letter, it said, we have reviewed your accounts and
00:41:49.600 decided it's closing as of August 30th. Since that time, we try to reach out on numerous occasions to
00:41:56.240 both our representatives at the local branch, as well as to their complaints handling office,
00:42:02.080 and only received one piece of communication back. And that was last week. And it simply said,
00:42:07.840 we are giving you a two-week extension to September 15th. And that's the only extension. You have to be
00:42:13.760 out of our institution. By that time, we're closing your entire account down. So, that's the communication
00:42:20.000 we received from them. Now, as I said, the National Bank of Canada has merged with Canadian Western. And
00:42:29.040 again, quite surprisingly, I received a phone call from a Vice President of Commercial Banking with the
00:42:35.280 National Bank of Canada on Friday afternoon, just this past Friday afternoon. And he was apologetic. And he
00:42:41.680 said, look, it's come to my attention that this happened. It shouldn't have happened. What can we do
00:42:46.400 to make this relationship right? Well, as your viewers can probably anticipate, you know, when you
00:42:52.880 receive a letter like that, you have to immediately scramble to find a new institution. So, we are in the
00:42:58.160 process of doing that. And that's going well. So, I asked him for, in writing, if he could say, you know,
00:43:04.880 what he said on the phone to me, put it in writing and email it to me. And he did. And he referenced the fact
00:43:10.240 that they had to take what he called this precautionary action because of something they
00:43:15.360 had noticed with our account. So, I have since communicated back to him and said,
00:43:20.240 this is not very precautionary when you send us this type of notice. And the account closure is
00:43:25.120 imminent as of a specific date, causing all this frantic activity on our side to try to find a new
00:43:30.320 institution. Yeah. Mike, that's just called lying. I mean, if there was actually something you were
00:43:36.240 worried about, they would bring it to your attention. They would try and fix it. They would
00:43:39.760 disclose what you had allegedly done. They would say what rule your actions had allegedly broken.
00:43:46.560 I've been through this rodeo before with the Royal Bank. They are bigoted against Christians,
00:43:52.080 and I don't think that that's hard to realize. I mean, I note that when Chrystia Freeland demanded
00:43:58.080 that the banks freeze and seize bank accounts of hundreds of Canadians, not a single one of the banks
00:44:04.480 refused. They all went along with it. They're tantamount to government instruments. They're
00:44:10.160 so highly regulated. Unfortunately, the Charter of Rights does not apply to them because they're not
00:44:16.080 officially government entities, so you don't have the same ability to reach for the Charter. But
00:44:21.520 it's funny that I think, you know, how I started the interview by referencing Trump's executive order
00:44:28.800 from just two weeks ago, not even two weeks ago. What's so interesting is Canadian National Bank has
00:44:36.240 branches in the States, especially in Florida. So does TD Bank. So does Royal Bank. And it wouldn't
00:44:41.600 surprise me if they're going to be taking over Canadian Western Bank. So they're going to be taking
00:44:46.800 over the company that discriminated against you. And by the way, I'm shocked by that because Canadian
00:44:51.600 Western Bank was founded by a pro-Western, pro-freedom, pro-Christian family, the Allard family. I know them a
00:44:58.400 little bit. I don't want to overstate it. But the fact that the Canadian Western Bank was the one that
00:45:04.240 censored and deplatformed you is extremely gross. And I think that Mr. Allard, who founded the bank,
00:45:11.280 would be turning his grave if he knew what was being done to you by the bank he founded. It's sort of
00:45:17.040 weird to me that the National Bank, which is based in Quebec, would be more tolerant. But I don't think
00:45:22.320 they really are. I think they're just afraid. If you say you got this phone call from the National Bank,
00:45:28.240 just a week ago or so, well, Donald Trump's executive order must be ringing in their ears
00:45:33.760 because they have the ability, the US regulators have the ability to investigate any bank and punish
00:45:40.640 them severely. And they proved it by fining TD Bank $3 billion. That's my theory. Mike, I don't think
00:45:47.040 that they suddenly grew a conscience. And I don't think they suddenly started to care about Christians.
00:45:51.920 I think that Donald Trump's executive order is what got them finally walking straight.
00:45:58.720 As an advocacy organization here in Canada, we welcome the input of the international community,
00:46:04.240 certainly. That is impacting our work at numerous levels. And if it does have a positive impact here
00:46:10.720 in regards to our banking situation, then we welcome that. One of the other topics of interest that you and
00:46:17.600 your viewers might want to be aware about is that we actually had a billboard in Hamilton taken down
00:46:23.840 by the city of Hamilton. Mayor Horwath, she instructed that this billboard had to be taken down. And
00:46:32.640 fortunately, in Canada, the charter does apply to governments and it's intended to shield us from
00:46:38.400 government oppression. And in this case, the mayor simply didn't like the message of that billboard,
00:46:43.120 which was very straightforward, factual based advertising website, letkidsbe.ca and calling
00:46:50.720 for the end of medical transitioning for minors in our country. The international community has fed into
00:46:57.360 this campaign in a big way because countries around the world are taking action to protect minors who
00:47:02.480 experience gender dysphoria here in Canada. We're not up with the times yet. So if the international
00:47:08.960 community can impact the policy in regards to how we deal with minors experiencing gender dysphoria,
00:47:14.880 we at ARPA Canada, we welcome that. And we hope that that has a very positive impact on policy here in
00:47:21.280 Canada. As you're indicating in the banking situation, it could have a positive impact on how
00:47:26.480 Christians and people that the banks might not agree with ideologically are treated by them.
00:47:32.880 You know, I'm familiar with the billboard case, and that is a situation that the charter of
00:47:36.960 rights likely does apply to because it's the government that's making the decision.
00:47:41.360 And the charter, of course, is a shield to protect against government bigotry.
00:47:45.840 Now, I think we did a story on the billboards before. Do you guys have legal assistance,
00:47:51.680 either through the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms or the Democracy Fund?
00:47:55.440 Do you guys have help to fight against the city? I don't think either of those charities
00:48:00.000 could help you on the banking side, but against the bigoted mayor of Hamilton.
00:48:04.240 Yes, certainly. So we do have in-house legal counsel, and he is pursuing legal action against
00:48:11.520 the city of Hamilton. And we've had numerous offers, including communication with some of
00:48:15.680 those organizations that you mentioned, to assist either in partnering with or as interveners in this
00:48:21.840 case, which we're very confident that we will win. In fact, we have won against the city of Hamilton
00:48:27.600 or any when it came to other advertisements in their city. So we're confident we can win.
00:48:34.080 And it actually, it's simply unfortunate for the residents of Hamilton. The taxpayers of Hamilton
00:48:39.360 are going to have to foot the bill plus pay costs that will be awarded to us.
00:48:43.280 Well, you know, I'm very glad you're lawyered up. And I'm glad that some of those civil liberties,
00:48:50.560 charities that I mentioned, sounds like they've been in touch. And I trust you'll let the world
00:48:56.240 know if you do need help. One of the things we like to do at Rebel News is have petitions that we
00:49:01.680 would, you know, and I bet you we could get 10,000 people to sign a petition and to deliver to the
00:49:05.920 mayor. And of course, if you need help crowdfunding for the lawyer, that's one of the things our
00:49:10.320 viewers like to do too. So keep that in the back here. Keep that, you know, if you do need help,
00:49:17.360 do reach out. Don't be shy about it. You seem very confident and well-versed in things. So I think
00:49:24.960 that's, and if you have in-house counsel, that's probably the best way to go. I'm optimistic. I look
00:49:30.400 forward to following the case because I don't think that mayors of cities should be able to tell
00:49:37.760 you what you can and can't say. I'm also looking forward to seeing what other banks do in response
00:49:44.800 to the Trump executive order. I sort of wish it had been around when the Royal Bank de-platformed
00:49:51.200 us, but hopefully it'll help in the manner I described earlier. What's the best way for us
00:49:55.840 to follow this case and any other work that you're doing? Is there a website out there I can direct
00:50:01.200 people to? Certainly. Yes, it would be for the banking situation and any other work that ARPA Canada
00:50:08.240 does. It's simply arpacanada.ca. And then on the specifics of the billboard and the whole campaign
00:50:15.120 to end medical transitioning for minors, that's the URL is letkidsbe.ca. And it'd be really interesting
00:50:23.680 for your viewers to note as well that we are planning a large rally at Queen's Park on September 27th,
00:50:30.560 Saturday, September 27th at Queen's Park. And the whole purpose of that rally is to put political
00:50:36.720 pressure on Doug Ford and his government to take action to protect minors in that province using
00:50:42.880 the provincial healthcare guidelines in a similar fashion as Danielle Smith has done in the province
00:50:48.320 of Alberta. Well, that's very interesting. Who's going to be speaking at the rally? We have a number of
00:50:55.760 detransitioners. We have some lawyers, some staff from ARPA Canada. And for the more information on
00:51:02.800 that rally and further speakers, simply visit letkidsbe.ca and just click on the link rally in
00:51:08.640 March, September 27th, and all the information is available there. Great. Well, I'm going to talk
00:51:12.720 to my friend David Menzies, who really covers this beat well, and maybe he can go and cover it because
00:51:17.840 I'd like to see how many people you muster. I am pessimistic that the government will respond to you.
00:51:23.360 I think that, you know, really, there's very little difference between the Ontario's so-called
00:51:29.280 conservative government and the opposition. But, you know, you got to hope for the best. Thanks so
00:51:34.000 much for spending some time with us. And keep in touch on these on these issues. And if any more,
00:51:38.960 present. And if we can ever be of assistance, don't be shy to ask. I'll do. Thanks so much for that.
00:51:45.280 All right. Our pleasure. There he is, Mike Shoten of the Association for Reformed
00:51:49.360 Political Action Canada. And I look forward to David's coverage, if you can make it,
00:51:54.480 of the rally on September 27th. Stay with us more ahead.
00:52:08.480 Hey, welcome back. Got a couple of viewer letters. By the way, you can make comments right there on our
00:52:13.200 website if you are a subscriber. And that's often where we take our letters from. Average Gal says,
00:52:18.960 as an Ontarian, I fully support Pierre Polyev. And I fully support Alberta to get the respect they
00:52:23.600 deserve. Let's get Canada back on track and make it prosperous for all. You know, Stephen Harper really
00:52:30.000 made Western separatism fall down because he treated the West with respect. He didn't antagonize it.
00:52:35.760 And that was good enough for happy patriotic Albertans. But I think the problem is that
00:52:41.680 structurally, the system itself was not changed. So all it took was losing an election to a Justin
00:52:47.440 Trudeau and now a Mark Carney. And all those bad things are happening all over again. So I love your
00:52:52.880 point of view and your optimism. But I think one of the complaints in the West is,
00:52:57.360 it's just going to happen again, whether it happens in five, 10 or 20 years. And there's some truth to it.
00:53:02.800 Gray C 1614 says, Trudeau's mentor and advisor was Mark Carney.
00:53:07.120 Carney. Carney's mentor and advisor is Mark Wiseman, the de facto co-prime minister of Canada.
00:53:12.880 I don't think I would go that far. And Mark Wiseman, besides being a kind of lobbyist,
00:53:18.080 is the head of the Century Initiative, this insane idea to pump up Canada through immigration to 100
00:53:24.560 million people, basically to make Canadians a minority within Canada. Now, that is right now,
00:53:32.000 I hate to say it, Mark Carney's policy. I just don't think that that is the Svengali guru here.
00:53:38.400 You might be right, but I haven't seen a lot of proof of that. But yeah, Carney is dangerous on his
00:53:44.000 own. I always say he's like Trudeau, but smarter and harder working and much more networked. Remember,
00:53:50.160 he was a director of the World Economic Forum. He was the boss of the global financial alliance for net
00:53:56.480 zero. He was with the UN like he really, instead of partying and drinking and playing around like
00:54:03.680 Justin Trudeau did, Mark Carney actually was preparing for his moment. And I think that's the
00:54:09.440 danger. That's our show for today. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters,
00:54:15.520 to you at home, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.