EZRA LEVANT ｜ Unveiling the real motives behind a Liberal MP's voicemail incident
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Summary
Calgary's own George Chahal posts the contents of a hateful, racist and misogynistic voicemail message sent to his office, and decides to share it on social media instead of going to the police. Ezra explains why he thinks this is a good idea.
Transcript
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Hello my friends, an Alberta-centric show today. We're going to talk with Lauren Gunter
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about the new opinion polls showing the NDP is ahead of the conservatives in Alberta. A bit
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terrifying. And we'll talk about a local MP from Calgary, a liberal MP who says that his voicemail
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is full of death threats and hate speech. Well, I'll show you exactly what was in his voicemail
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and I'll analyze it. But first, let me invite you to become a subscriber to Rebel News Plus.
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right, here's today's podcast. Tonight, a liberal MP feels so threatened by a mean voicemail
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that he publishes it on Twitter instead of going to the police. I'll tell you what's really going
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on here. It's May 15th and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
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You're fighting for freedom! Shame on you, you censorious bug!
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I saw this on Twitter. This is from Friday from a liberal MP from Calgary, actually, named
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George Chahal. So he tweeted, I could tell you, but I'd rather show you. Listen to the
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voicemails somebody left at my constituency office the other night. Warning, racist and
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homophobic slurs, misogyny, death threats. Jeez, that sounds terrible. And it just happened
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the other night. Here, let's listen for a bit, but I won't play at all. It goes on and
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on and on, basically repeating the same language in a bunch of different ways. Here, take a
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Hey, I just wanted to say that stupid, ugly faggot that deserves to be exterminated. The liberal
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party are a bunch of traitor faggots just like you. And I hope your entire family dies, the
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Hi, I just wanted to say all the liberals deserve their families to be exterminated.
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You're all a bunch of rat, ugly traitors that sold us out to China. So kindly hang yourself.
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Hi, just a reminder, the liberal party is a bunch of faggots and all your families should
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be exterminated for selling us out to China. I hope you all get what's coming to you and
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All right, let's cut it off there. It's gross. The first thing to notice is that George Chahal
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knows the caller's phone number. Did you see that? It was identified, area code 587. That's
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a Calgary number. So he knows who calls. The second thing to note is that all these voicemails
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are from the same guy. Now, I listened to the recording. It's too much. It's gross. He swears.
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He calls George Chahal a rat, which is not very nice. Calls him a traitor, which is not nice.
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He also uses the N word and the F word. He calls George stupid and ugly. Lots of mean insults. I do
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not condone them. He says that Chahal deserves to be exterminated, deserves to be. And he hopes you all
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die. But I should point out that that's not actually a death threat. He's just saying he hopes they die.
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You deserve to die. That's not I am going to kill you. Not that it's nice. It's just not a death
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threat. That's all. He also says corporal punishment once, which I don't know if you know
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the difference between capital punishment is when you kill. Corporal punishment is when you get a
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spanking or get the strap as there was when I was in elementary school. He mentions treason and China
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and he hates the liberals. So it's a bit of a rant and extremely rude. Here's George Chahal tweeting
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about it again, referring to Susan Delacorte talking about death threats. He says, Susan
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Delacorte is spot on. Threats like these are a regular occurrence. It's almost starting to feel
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normal. But politicians, their teams and their loved ones should never have to experience this.
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Homegrown hatred is growing and we need to fight back. What do you mean by fight back, George?
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We call the police that and that's a good idea. But I don't think that's what he means. I think
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he means censorship of critics, including rude critics and demonizing non-liberals as extremists
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or terrorists. Here, let's watch a little bit. This is from a CTV news story that frankly could have
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been written by Chahal himself. A Calgary politician is giving a glimpse into the abuse
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and vitriol he and his staff received from callers. Liberal MP George Chahal recorded voicemails
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left at his Calgary office spewing hateful, racist and homophobic slurs against him, his family
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Get out of my country, you f***ing rat. Liberals are a bunch of f***ing traitors. I hope you all die.
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It's just one of more than a dozen voicemails from one man named Calgary Skyview MP George Chahal.
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Hey, I just wanted to say that stupid ugly f***ing deserves to be exterminated. The Liberal Party
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are a bunch of traitors f***ing just like you. And I hope your entire family dies, you ugly f***ing.
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A compilation of racial, homophobic death threats and personal attacks aimed at him,
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his family and staff at his Calgary constituency office in the span of one evening.
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It's deeply concerning that folks are using this bigotry and hate speech to target politicians like
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myself. The unidentified caller's voicemails were posted to Chahal's Twitter Friday night,
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outlining the abuse he has received since jumping from municipal to federal politics,
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calling him a rat, the n-word, and using homophobic slurs, the man wishes death on all liberals.
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Well, this is the worst I've seen over the last few years, and the level of hatred and discrimination
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towards elected officials. And it's got to stop.
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Okay, it's interesting. Why publish the voicemail with all that vitriol? Why do that?
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Why not go to the police? He said in his tweet, it was from the other day. No, it actually turns out
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it was from months ago. He said it's a regular occurrence, but it's the same one guy.
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And what was the death threat again besides saying you deserve to die? That's not a death threat.
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All of this was from one man, and I do not support that one man, whoever he is.
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But it turned into a press conference and a news story.
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All right, well, let's bring in an expert to help us think, because we don't know what to think without
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an expert to tell us. What is this expert expert in? Well, he's just an expert. It's Keith Brownsey.
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He's a political science professor. I don't mind Keith Brownsey, but he says this is a crime,
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a hate crime. Here, take a listen. One political expert is unsure what fuels
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vile speech of this magnitude, but admits it may result in criminal charges.
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That type of language is hate speech, and it can be prosecuted. It's also criminals
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harassment. I mean, he's threatening to kill people.
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Hey, George, just for a reminder, you're an ugly, fat...
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Keith Brownsey says a distaste from Albertans towards Prime Minister Justin Trudeau
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and liberal politicians only represents a fraction of the population.
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Maybe 25% of the population has this visceral disdain for the Liberal Party,
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but the rest of the population just doesn't care.
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Listen, I'm against harassing phone calls, and luckily, they don't happen too often
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in the era of caller ID and eminently traceable calls, but is this actually a hate crime?
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I don't think Professor Brownsey's a lawyer, so I forgive him, I suppose, and maybe it's
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a minor point, but contrary to what Professor Brownsey says, the criminal code provision
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against hate speech is a little more complicated. It only applies when you communicate to a third
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person, as in you publicly say something about him to him, and not just when you say something
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mean to a guy himself, and it has to be likely to cause some sort of disturbance.
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Let me quote from the law itself, section 319 of our criminal code. 319.1. There's several
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Everyone who, by communicating statements in any public place, not some guy's private
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voicemail, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead
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to a breach of the peace, is guilty of an indictable offense, is liable to imprisonment
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for a term of exceeding two years, or an offense punishable on summary conviction, and that's
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just called the willful promotion of hatred. There are other similar sections. But these
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voicemails weren't in public. In fact, George Chahal and CTV were the ones who published them,
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weren't they? Is it really likely to incite hatred where the breach of the peace is likely?
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Is it really? Against whom? The caller says the N-word, and then the F-word for gays. But I think
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he's just using those as insults against George Chahal, who is neither gay nor black.
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I think the main thing is this angry, rude caller is just anti-liberal, I think. Again, I'm against
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all of this. I'm against mean voicemails. If someone who worked for me was leaving, harassing
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voicemails like that with a liberal MP, I'd fire the guy and say, come on, give your head a shake.
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What are you doing? But is that a hate crime under the criminal code? I just don't think so,
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at least not yet. I'm not for these kinds of calls, but it's hardly a crime to be rude.
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It's really just a slightly less polite version of what Justin Trudeau says about Albertans in the
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oil patch or about the unvaccinated on any given day. If you don't want to get vaccinated,
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vaccinated, that's your choice. But don't think you can get on a plane or a train beside vaccinated
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And now is the time for people who are still resistant to getting vaccinated to realize
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that that choice, which has consequences on putting our kids at risk, which has consequences
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at having us risk more lockdowns because they haven't chosen to get vaccinated yet, that
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there will be consequences for those people in not being able to go to a gym or a restaurant,
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not being able to go to a movie theater, not being able to get on a train or a plane.
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I want to stand up for the choice of those who are there for their neighbors, not those
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who are risking us all going into further lockdowns, of slowing our economic recovery.
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Trying to bring people together is not always compatible with science, with respect for human
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rights, with the best way to move things forward.
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I mean, when Aaron O'Toole talks about, oh, yes, we need to unite people, we need to
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bring people together. He's talking about defending the rights of people who are anti-vax.
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That's why we've been unequivocal. If you want to get on a plane or a train in the coming
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months, you're going to have to be fully vaccinated. So families with their kids don't have to worry
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that someone is going to put them in danger in the seat next to them or across the aisle.
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Unfortunate that people who chose not to get vaccinated are now the ones clogging up our
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ICU systems and our hospital beds that should be available for people who did their work and
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did get vaccinated, making sure that businesses that choose to move forward with vaccination
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requirements aren't subject to unnecessary or unjustified lawsuits.
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If you make a choice, a personal choice, to not get vaccinated, then I will have no sympathy for
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you when you come to me and said, oh, but I can't go out to a restaurant with my friends or I'm not
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being allowed to go to the gym or my employer is telling me I have to continue to work from home.
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Yeah, a little less swearing there, but I think that's actually much more likely to cause a breach
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of the peace. That's a little more under that hate speech definition, isn't it? What Trudeau said.
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Here's some more from this CTV report that could have been written by George Chahal himself, and
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Chahal's staff would not say when the calls were made, but Calgary police say it is aware of the phone
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calls after a complaint was lodged Saturday. Police say the initial report says the phone calls date
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And Tyson joins us from Chahal's constituency office tonight. Tyson, Chahal has enhanced security
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And Alicia, Chahal telling me today that he was not subject to this type of abuse as a city
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councillor here in Calgary before, of course, jumping to federal politics. He says a lot of this abuse
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started on the campaign trail back in 2021 when running for the constituency here in Calgary.
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Skyview, he says his daughter and his niece were followed home while on the campaign trail.
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Now, here at his office, as you saw in that story, some of those security measures inside
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the office show staff behind secured doors while the windows and front door are actually
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barred with metal bars. There's also CCTV cameras inside to look at the premises around the facility.
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Now, Chahal says it's on all politicians who fuel this type of vitriol to take it into account and
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So those bars in his office, apparently they're part of this story, even though they've obviously
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been up for a long time. And Chahal only tweeted this out on Friday and he only bothered to talk to
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police on the weekend. Solid journalism there, Tyson Fedor, talking about how he's terrified.
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That's why the bars are up. Yeah, maybe. I think it's probably more because
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George Chahal's neighborhood is a higher crime neighborhood in general, real crime, not political
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crimes. Some of the crime, in fact, in George Chahal's neighborhood is committed by George Chahal
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himself, in fact, which is quite a story. Chahal admitted to stealing his opponent's campaign
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literature right out of mailboxes. Like he would snoop in people's mailboxes and take out his
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opponent's stuff. That is a crime. Unlike swearing on a voicemail, that's an actual crime.
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But he's a Trudeau liberal, so it's all okay. Don't worry about it. See, there are crimes and then there
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are crimes. There is vitriol and hate and then there's vitriol and hate. Or as Vladimir Lenin simply
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put it, who, whom. Two words, who, whom. Stalin said that too. So did Trotsky. What does it mean?
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It means someone was going to do it and someone was going to get it done to them. A terrible thing
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was going to be done. The only question was who and whom. That was a fact the communists just knew
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they would be the ones doing it to their enemies, not the other way around. Who? Whom?
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George Chahal doesn't care about crime. He literally is a criminal and his party is soft on crime.
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Crime is up in northeast Calgary and everywhere. That's why there's bars on his windows.
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He doesn't care about mean words. He's the one who published them to CTV and on Twitter.
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There was no death threat, just deep rudeness. I hope you die. It's not a death threat.
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But you heard at the end, Tyson Fedor, what Lenin would call a useful idiot, said other politicians
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are to be held accountable here. Really? Gee, I didn't see that coming. What exactly did those
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other politicians do? Well, it doesn't matter. It's who, whom. Who's going to be smashing whom?
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This is about the censorship of ordinary people, especially if they speak out against dear leader
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Trudeau. And it's about demonizing anyone who stands up to the regime, lumping them in with rude,
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vile people. Here's how Alexander Solzhenitsyn put it. Your punishment for having a knife
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when they searched you would be very different from the thief's. For him to have a knife was
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mere misbehavior. Tradition. He didn't know any better. But for you to have one was terrorism.
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Trudeau and George Chahal can call you any name they like. So can CTV. But if you swear at them,
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get ready for prison for a hate crime. Stay with us for more.
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Welcome back. There are some provincial elections that affect much more than just the province
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that's holding them. Ontario is one example. It's an economic powerhouse. Quebec is another.
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Obviously, if they're going to go full-blown separatist, that impacts a lot of other places.
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Alberta is the same for a number of reasons. It is the economic engine, the entrepreneurial,
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freedom-loving part of the country, or at least it's supposed to be. It voted for right of center
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parties for pretty much a century until an implosion of the parties on the right caused an
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accidental victory of Rachel Notley in 2015. It was an economic disaster. The oil patch was run out
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of town. The combination of Rachel Notley provincially and Justin Trudeau federally, the worst
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of all worlds, the perfect storm, the implementation of a carbon tax in that province that swore he would
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never have one. Well, Jason Kenney came back from Ottawa to heal that. He merged the parties in the
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right, calling it the United Conservative Party or UCP. But alas, he did not fulfill his whole term
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between charges that he was too soft on Trudeau and Ottawa, perhaps keeping an eye out to when he
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eventually wanted to run for prime minister and didn't want to say anything too provincial. And his
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heavy-handed approach to the lockdown, at least heavy-handed compared to the standards of liberty
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in Alberta, he was given the boot and his successor, Danielle Smith, was voted him. But she didn't come
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from the caucus. She came from the world of punditry and journalism. And one of the problems with
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that is, every day for hours on your radio show or YouTube interviews, you speak very candidly about
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every controversial subject under the sun. In fact, controversy is your currency. When you're a talk
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show host, you've got to keep it provocative to make it interesting. Well, what fertile ground for
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the NDP's opposition war room to go through to take things either out of context or just to spin them
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in a way that makes you look, well, controversial and better suited to be a pundit than a governing
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premier. And I think that may be what is happening. A new poll out shows not only is the NDP ahead
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of Danielle Smith, the new leader of the UCP, but it's even ahead in the city of Calgary, what ought to
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be the most conservative big city in the country. We're going to talk about that poll. But first,
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we're going to talk about Lauren Gunter's new column that the NDP are hardly the party of ordinary
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taxpayers and working people, a column that appeared in the Edmonton Sun. Joining us now by Skype is
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Lauren Gunter. Lauren, I saw your headline. It's NDP hardly the party of ordinary taxpayers and working
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people. I don't even know if they pretend to be that anymore. I think they're the party of the woke,
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of the university professors, the environmentalists, of the race-critical activists. I don't even know,
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other than the fact that they get money and donations from the labor unions. I don't think
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they actually even pretend to be anymore, or am I wrong? No, I think they pretend to be. I don't think
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they do anything real to be the party of working people, of ordinary citizens, of ordinary tool pushes.
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You know, the guys used to work on the assembly lines, the guys who used to load up their truck in
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the morning and drive 100, 200 kilometers out into the middle of nowhere to check on a pumping
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station on an oil pipeline. They don't represent those people at all anymore. And you can see that
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when they're in power. When the NDP were in power in Alberta from 2015 to 2019, they helped, along with
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the municipalities and the feds, to grow the percentage of the workforce in Alberta that is
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public sector from 19%, which is one of the lowest in the country, to about 23 or 24%, which is about
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average in the country. That's a huge increase. And that was before the pandemic, of course, where no one
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in the public sector got laid off. And the public sector grew and grew and grew. So I haven't seen the
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latest figures on what our percentage is now, but it must be approaching one quarter of all workers
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in Alberta, our public sector. And that's who the NDP represents most. It represents teachers,
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nurses, people in the public sector or the public service in the province, in the federal government,
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people who want bigger government, who think they're hard done. It's like the PSAC workers who
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were recently out on strike and were surprised to find that the general public doesn't think of them
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as as hard done by little working guys. That's that's the kind of mentality now that the NDP
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represent. Yeah, it was incredible to me watching those PSAC strikers when they made their passionate
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case. It was, hey, man, I want to keep working from home, dude. Like, that's your great grievance.
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We're on the precipice of a recession. Inflation. I was hardly doing any work at the office.
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Now I'm at home doing nothing. Yeah. And I want to be able to continue doing that.
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You know what? Me too, man. Unfortunately, only government pure regrets get that. But when you're
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talking about a quarter of the workforce now in the public sector, that's a built in base to start
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from. I mean, I remember growing up in Alberta, the NDP was a fringe party. In many writings,
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it would get single digits in its most successful writings. It would get in the teens and it would
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punch through a few here and there. In recent years, it would win some seats in the capital.
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But the idea that it would dominate even in Calgary, that's the new abacus pole. So here's my point.
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I agree with you that there is a real collegiality between the NDP and the unions. In fact,
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Rachel Notley's husband, Lou Arab, is a senior executive with the federal public.
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And the AFL, the Alberta Federation of Labor, which represents an awful lot of private sector
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union types, is huge in the NDP. They are an affiliate member of the NDP.
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That would be like having the, you know, the CEO groups out there, the chambers of commerce. It would
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be like literally having the council of CEOs as part of the conservative party. Like all you're missing
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is the top hat and the monocle. And to give those people an official standing there. I think that,
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you know, it's really iffy from a campaign finance point of view. But let's put that aside.
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Calgary is supposed to be different. Edmonton's got the big university, big hospitals, big bureaucracy.
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I get it. Calgary is supposed to be the oil patch, freest city, cowboy spirit, you know, ranching.
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I'm a free man on the land kind of thing. But I'm looking at the stats here. In Calgary,
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the NDP, when you take up, I mean, it's leading 42 to 36. And by the way, when you take out the
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undecideds, the numbers don't get any better. It looks like it's going to be a blowout in Edmonton.
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And the NDP is more than double. And that's not a surprise. But even in rural parts, it's just a
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single digit difference. Now, I don't want to put too much stock in just one poll. And I note that
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abacus is chaired by liberal party partisans. But boy, that's grasping at straws on my part to say,
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oh, no, I don't put too much stock in this. I think it's real.
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Like Post Media had a poll done by Leger that showed the NDP and UCP tied in Calgary about
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seven days ago. Angus Reid had a poll that shows the UCP ahead in Calgary by a substantial,
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beyond the margin of error. So you name the outcome you want. I will find you a pollster that
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has those results. But my sense is that increasingly in politics, people vote not for the policies of
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the party, or the perceived position on the ideological spectrum, but for the person who
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socially seems the most like them. And I think Danielle Smith looks an awful lot like
00:26:55.680
sort of a wingy type of person, a person who has very extreme views, particularly on COVID.
00:27:05.160
And as a result, doesn't look like me, doesn't feel like me to a lot of voters. And Rachel Notley
00:27:13.380
does. And, you know, I'm about to, after we're off the air here, I'm about to sit down and write a
00:27:19.060
column about the NDP's job creation numbers, which were abysmal. Economically, the NDP would be a
00:27:27.040
disaster in Alberta. But Rachel Notley feels like my neighbor later. And that's why people are going
00:27:34.360
to vote for her. And Danielle Smith sounds like a clanging gong in a howling wind. And people aren't
00:27:42.820
aren't cozy to that. So a lot of people might hold their noses and vote UCP, because they're afraid the
00:27:50.280
NDP will be bad economically. But there are an awful lot of other people who probably had been
00:27:55.820
PC voters before, back during Ralph's time or Law Heat's time, who will simply stay home.
00:28:02.720
And if that happens, then you get 100,000, 150,000 of those people staying home. That would make a
00:28:09.660
huge difference for the NDP's chances. Yeah. You know, interesting in that abacus poll,
00:28:14.680
they say that 19% of people who voted for the federal conservatives would support the provincial
00:28:24.400
NDP. That seems like an impossible duality. Like that's, how do you do that?
00:28:30.600
The NDP basically taken the place in Alberta of the Liberal Party. The Liberal Party will be lucky
00:28:38.280
if it gets more than 5% of the vote in the provincial election. I would be surprised if
00:28:44.300
it gets 5%. The Alberta Party, which is, we're the Liberal Party, but we're too sophisticated to call
00:28:51.460
ourselves a Liberal Party. They are, to me, the Alberta Party is the most pretentious party I have
00:28:58.800
ever seen in provincial politics because, oh, we're above partisan politics. We're too good for
00:29:04.460
partisan jousting. Oh my goodness. And so, I mean, they just give me heartburn every time I hear
00:29:12.040
anything they have to say because it is so arrogant. But they might get 4%. The Liberal Party might get
00:29:21.260
3% or 4%. But by and large, the kind of people who maybe were red Tories in the previous PC regimes
00:29:31.320
and the people who are Liberals in the province, and in most elections, the Liberals would get 8% to
00:29:37.680
10% of the vote. Those people have now moved, for this election anyway, to the NDP because Smith does
00:29:46.580
not represent who they think they are. Yeah. And the thing is, even if she campaigns in a certain
00:29:51.720
way these days, she has left, as I said in my opening, such a trail of public statements that
00:29:58.460
were ideologically strong. In fact, frankly, a lot of it sounds like rebel news. Can you imagine if
00:30:02.940
either one of us decided to run for public office? Oh, you know, it's funny. Here, let me play you the
00:30:07.800
latest NDP. I'm not even going to call it a leak because it's not like it was an internal thing. They just
00:30:13.520
went through hundreds of hours of Danielle Smith talking, which she did for a living. And I mean,
00:30:20.260
by the way, John Tory had a talk show in Toronto, but he was so milquetoast. He was so cautious.
00:30:29.400
There was really nothing he said. He was such a boring, vanilla guy that there was nothing he said
00:30:36.300
in hundreds of hours. There was no there there. Danielle Smith sounded like an Alberta radio host,
00:30:42.860
which is controversies of the day. And I think, frankly, some of her language is stuff that I
00:30:48.940
said. I think she might be a rebel news. I know she's a rebel news follower.
00:30:52.740
But for example, I know that that there is a criminal code section. I don't know if it's
00:30:57.640
ever been prosecuted ever that says it is a crime to disturb a religious assemblage. It's a crime.
00:31:06.060
You can't go and mess up a funeral or a wedding. That's actually a special criminal code. That feels a little
00:31:13.780
archaic, but I sort of like it. You can't mess around in a church, a mosque, a synagogue. That's not a
00:31:18.900
hate crime. It's just you're not allowed to mess up a church. And so when various police or rather health
00:31:26.060
inspectors would say, let me in your church, some church men, and I know this in Edmonton, for example,
00:31:31.180
the Great Slate Church just south of the city, they had some church elders who would stand at the door
00:31:35.900
and say, you cannot disturb this church service. Come back when it's done. I think it was section
00:31:40.880
127 of the criminal code. I forget off the top of my head. That's actually a law. And that law was not
00:31:47.440
tested. No one charged a health officer with that crime. I don't know if it ever would proceed.
00:31:53.440
But that is on the books. Well, Danielle Smith mentioned that. And that is the latest proof of
00:32:01.500
how extreme she was in the eyes of the NDP. Here, take a look at this clip that they released. I'm not
00:32:07.380
going to say leaked because it was a public video of a pundit. Here, take a look.
00:32:11.140
The first thing is that you have to have good political leadership. I mean, the only reason
00:32:15.640
why we saw those actions is because the AHS gave carte blanche to our chief medical officer of health
00:32:23.900
and the AHS to be able to enforce that. So the first step is making sure that we're electing people
00:32:28.820
who would never give that kind of latitude to the police. And I think we've just demonstrated with
00:32:33.460
the example that you gave. Why? Because you had frontline officers using their own judgment call
00:32:39.460
about how to enforce, when to enforce, and how aggressively to enforce. And they made some big mistakes.
00:32:44.420
So the boys playing ice hockey should have never been targeted. The pastors should have never been
00:32:51.580
arrested. In fact, I remember being on the air because it was my last couple of days on the air
00:32:56.340
when Pastor Cones got arrested. And there were many people sending me criminal code sections. You are
00:33:04.660
not allowed under the criminal code to disrupt a service. That's a criminal code violation. So I have to
00:33:11.300
wonder whether or not some of those officers are the ones who broke the law in doing so.
00:33:17.460
And the idea now, especially as we're seeing this, we're all in doing really bad dudes who are getting
00:33:23.780
let out and committing heinous crimes. And they decided to keep pastors in jail and in solitary
00:33:33.380
Yeah. And the freedom guys. Pat King, what is it? A hundred days?
00:33:41.540
Well, I think that's an interesting thing to say. I certainly was upset with armed cops walking
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into churches. It felt unnatural. It felt unfree. It felt nervous. They did that in Ontario too.
00:33:55.860
Danielle Smith pointed that out. I share that view. But as you say, that's this, oh my God,
00:34:01.380
is she some, you know, is this going to be like some armed, you know, standoff like Waco or something?
00:34:10.100
The NDP and their friends in the CBC are all too happy to run with that. And she's left a trail
00:34:18.260
of these out there. I agree with it, but I think it can be made to scare maybe some of these swing
00:34:24.620
voters. But she doesn't respond to it the way you just responded to it, which is to say, look,
00:34:29.540
I don't like the idea of the police going into the sanctuary of a church and trying to disrupt
00:34:36.660
the gathering, even in the middle of the pandemic. If there's a problem, then you need to have the
00:34:44.100
police come and talk to the pastor after, before, whatever. And we need to next time. You can even
00:34:52.820
give them a pass this last time around. You can say, but the next time this happens,
00:34:58.660
we can't just rush to lock everything down. That hurt school kids, it hurt church services,
00:35:05.140
it hurt people who had to grieve at the funeral of a loved one without anyone there to comfort them
00:35:11.220
because of the public health regulation. We went way too far and we need next time to follow the
00:35:17.780
science better, which showed that, you know, masking was largely useless outside of extended
00:35:23.380
care facilities and hospitals, that social distancing kind of sort of works, but it doesn't
00:35:29.540
really, uh, lockdowns don't have anything except bad economic impacts. So, so we need to look at all
00:35:37.060
of this all over again. Uh, and that's, that's, I think how she should have been handling this.
00:35:42.100
Uh, but now she, they, they release something that sounds wingy, uh, or at least picks out a scab
00:35:50.740
that most Albertans thought had healed over. They don't want the pandemic brought up and they're sick
00:35:56.980
and tired of it all. And now here's a statement from the premier that sort of reopens the wound.
00:36:04.260
Uh, and, but rather than saying, Hey, look, I was just blue skying about what we need to do next
00:36:14.420
time, because I don't think what we did last time had as many good health effects as it had bad social
00:36:21.780
and economic effects. Rather than saying that though, now she starts to scurry away from the
00:36:27.300
things that she said and, and nobody's buying that either. Yeah. You know, it's really tough.
00:36:32.820
And you're right about aesthetics and feelings and emotions. And Rachel Notley has that folksy,
00:36:39.380
friendly feeling, even though at her heart, she is a socialist destroyer. She's just a socialist
00:36:47.140
destroyer with a friendly smile. And she's made speeches to, to labor unions, uh, during this campaign
00:36:55.220
saying that if elected, they will end double breasting, which is the practice where construction
00:37:02.100
companies may have a unit that is, that is, uh, unionized and a unit that's non unionized,
00:37:08.660
or at least is unionized with, uh, uh, a union that the big unions don't like.
00:37:16.980
There's a Christian union that covers an awful lot of the construction industry that the big unions
00:37:22.820
don't like. So they'll end the ability of construction companies to have both. You'll have to either grab on to
00:37:30.820
the big unions and make your whole operation unionized, or you'll have to be non unionized.
00:37:36.500
And then the kicker that she's giving at these talks is you'll be precluded from bidding on public
00:37:43.780
sector construction projects. If you aren't fully union. Yeah. I mean, that's, that's full out.
00:37:50.740
Like that, that's, that is so socialist that that's childhood stuff, but she's friendly.
00:37:57.300
It's what the BC NDP did. And, and the BC NDP basically ended up because only about 15 or 20%
00:38:05.380
of the, of the union of the construction jobs in BC and Alberta are unionized. What they did then was
00:38:13.060
end up throwing all of these billions of dollars at the unionized shops. And, uh, it, it raises the
00:38:22.100
cost, slows down the completion dates. It does all sorts of things that, uh, ordinary people probably
00:38:28.820
don't want, but is anyone bringing that? I don't understand for instance, why the UCP isn't doing to
00:38:35.460
the NDP on the union stuff, what the NDP does to Smith about her COVID stuff.
00:38:43.860
Yeah. I don't know who's running that campaign. It reminds me a little bit of Donald Trump and
00:38:47.940
his tweets, Donald Trump. And I was a Trump supporter since 2015 and I enjoyed it. And I
00:38:54.100
enjoyed the fact that he was a rascal upending everything bull in a China shop. Um, in the end,
00:38:59.860
I think that was part of his downfall, but cause he was stressing, he was, he stressed out gentle
00:39:06.500
conservatives because he was rough. He was a Manhattan brawler who would give you a nickname
00:39:12.180
and punch you in the nose and say, what are you going to do about it? You know, he, he had sort of
00:39:16.340
a tough guy style and it is a fact that under Joe Biden, there are no mean tweets. He does not tweet
00:39:24.020
anything mean. He doesn't swear. He doesn't make fun of people. He's also an absolute disaster
00:39:31.780
economically, immigration, foreign policy, you name it, but he's not, but he sure that's grandpa Joe
00:39:38.580
Biden. Hey. And even when he loses his cognitive sharpness and has sort of a seniors moment,
00:39:44.900
he's harmless. I know someone like, like even his incompetence is endearing as opposed to scary
00:39:51.300
Trump tweets. And I think that's what we've got here. Rachel Notley is a destroyer and she will
00:39:57.540
socialize and tax and de-Albertify the place she will do to Alberta, what was done to Detroit.
00:40:03.780
Detroit was once the highest industrial wage city in all of America. It had the highest wage.
00:40:11.300
It was the city to go to for decades and then it was destroyed and now it's hollowed out.
00:40:16.340
Rachel Notley will do that to Alberta. And you know that the other thing that
00:40:21.940
this is just a complete aside, I guess, you hear these progressives like Notley talking all about
00:40:29.380
how they're going to help diversity, equality, inclusion, and racism, et cetera, et cetera.
00:40:35.620
Detroit had the highest working incomes for African Americans of any city in the United States because
00:40:44.900
the auto makers would hire African Americans and pay them the same as white workers on the assembly
00:40:52.740
line. And yet that's not important to the progressives. What's important is their virtue
00:41:00.260
signaling. It's like Trudeau. It's not important what his policies do in reality. It's important how he
00:41:07.140
feels and how you feel voting for him. And it's the same with the NDP. They don't care. They had a
00:41:14.020
just transition for coal workers in Alberta when they were in power in 2015 to 2019. Nothing happened.
00:41:21.220
They didn't transition anybody to a better job as equally well-paying job outside the coal business.
00:41:27.940
They just destroyed a few communities that based on coal mining. And at the end of the day said,
00:41:33.540
well, we intended, we meant well, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the whole Motown, Motor City,
00:41:40.340
that, you know, the whole, there was an enormous black cultural scene in Detroit. You're so right.
00:41:45.940
And by the way, if you want an analogy in Alberta, the number one employer of indigenous people is
00:41:52.500
mining, including oil sands. Absolutely. And boy, they'd love to drive that away. The election is in two
00:41:58.900
weeks from today, May 29th. We have Adam Soh, Sheila Gunn-Reed and other reporters on the ground.
00:42:04.820
And I find this terrifying. I fear that Rachel Notley will be restored. Yep. I fear that too. And I don't
00:42:15.940
know if Alberta will survive it. And I don't want to be a pessimist, but our whole discussion about
00:42:22.900
Detroit shows, you can destroy a great entrepreneurial city. Absolutely. That's what
00:42:29.540
Detroit once was. Now it is a burned out hulk. But hey, the Democrats rule over that,
00:42:35.780
that burned out husk. And so it's a victory in their eyes. What a shame. Lauren Gunter,
00:42:41.540
great to catch up with you. The article is in the Edmonton Sun. The story is called NDP
00:42:47.860
Hartley, the party of ordinary taxpayers and working people. And they're going to,
00:42:53.220
God forbid, find that out firsthand in two weeks time. Thanks for your time, my friend.
00:42:56.980
Yeah, you bet. All right. There you have it, Lauren Gunter. Stay with us. More ahead.
00:43:00.740
Hey, welcome back. Your letters to me. Bruce Acheson says, NDP are communists who believe
00:43:17.540
in cheating and lying to get ahead. The goal of international communism is to have useful idiots
00:43:21.940
stir up so much trouble. The citizens will beg governments to lock up freedom loving folks
00:43:26.900
who they blame for the unrest. Don't fall for the spin. I got to tell you something, Bruce.
00:43:33.620
Until the last six months or so, I would have said, whoa, you're throwing the word communist
00:43:38.100
around too easily. These aren't communists. They're, they're socialists. They're big governmentists.
00:43:42.820
They're, they're a little authoritarian, but they're not communists.
00:43:46.180
No, I think I'm being convinced. And I think it was James Lindsay who convinced me that communism
00:43:51.940
is really just critical theory applied, not just to economics, but to race and to gender.
00:43:58.020
And what we saw with those NDP activists storming Danielle Smith's event, and I'm not overstating
00:44:05.700
what they did. They didn't physically smash her, although they shoved a cop and they disrupted an
00:44:10.020
event, is they're basically saying, as I said in the monologue, who, whom? Someone's going to smash
00:44:17.220
someone. Someone's going to disrupt someone. Someone's going to censor someone. Someone's going to
00:44:20.660
threaten someone. We're going to be doing it to you. That's a communist way of thinking. That's
00:44:25.140
Vladimir Lenin's idea. And they speak the language of liberalism, but they're not liberals. There's a
00:44:33.700
difference between the communist and the liberal. A liberal believes in certain basic tenets and a
00:44:38.580
liberal believes that if they play a game by the rules and lose, they suck it up and take the loss.
00:44:43.940
A communist says, no, no, no. If we win by the rules, we win. If we lose by the rules, we riot.
00:44:54.420
That's the difference between a communist and a liberal. So I think I agree with you.
00:45:00.020
Sue Sidlik says, Rachel and the NDP set it up. Why else would they tweet? I quote from the NDP tweet,
00:45:07.380
Danielle Smith will be next door to the South Health campus at 11 a.m. today. If they were not
00:45:12.580
directing activists or protesters to go there, why would they tweet it? Exactly. And what a laughable
00:45:17.540
explanation Rachel Notley says. Oh, we tweet out their events all the time. No, you don't, you liar.
00:45:22.260
And by the way, you're not, you're tweeting to your followers. It was an instruction. And the media
00:45:28.900
were completely fine with it because the media, as I said earlier about Tyson Ford or CTV, they're useful
00:45:34.500
idiot. Jay Albrecht says, even if you don't like Danielle, don't vote NDP. Remember what happened
00:45:40.180
last time? Well, as Lauren Gunter told us, things are not looking good. I am terrified by that new
00:45:45.620
poll. There's still two weeks to go. But I think that the media is so monstrously biased,
00:45:51.780
worse than even the federal scene. I'm worried about it. That's our show for today. Until tomorrow,
00:45:58.500
on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night. And keep fighting for freedom.
00:46:04.500
You're fighting for freedom. Shame on you, you sensorism bug.