Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Viva Frei on the downfall of civil liberties： 'It's a world gone upside down.'

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends, one of the best YouTubers out there when he talks about law and freedom,

00:00:05.140 talking about Viva Fry, also known as David Frye, my feature interview with him today.

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00:00:31.080 podcast. Tonight, a feature interview with the Internet's Viva Frye, also known as David

00:00:41.000 Frye, and this is The Answer LeVant Show. Shame on you, you sensorious bug.

00:00:55.060 Well, I tell you, there are not a lot of lawyers who care about liberty. I wish it weren't the

00:01:02.780 case. I wish most lawyers cared about liberty. Listen, most lawyers just, it's a job. They got

00:01:07.160 to pay the bills. And many lawyers, well, they don't want to take cases that are too spicy

00:01:11.360 because that means they might not get a government contract. And it certainly means they won't get

00:01:15.880 appointed to the bench and be a judge. I have had a difficult time finding civil liberties lawyers

00:01:21.420 for various cases over the years. I don't know if I ever told you the story of trying to find a lawyer

00:01:25.200 for Tommy Robinson in the United Kingdom. I had to go through seven lawyers, each of whom refused to

00:01:31.500 take the case before I found one who would. And it was not dissimilar in Canada in the early days of

00:01:37.740 the pandemic. Too many lawyers thought, well, there's no way I'm going to represent an unvaccinated

00:01:42.820 person or someone who is defying the lockdown. So it was a pleasure to discover or to rediscover

00:01:49.120 that there were lawyers who actually deeply care about civil liberties and who were as troubled

00:01:53.600 by the world as I was and I'm sure as you were. And one of them was a lawyer who was also a video

00:02:00.460 blogger based in Montreal, perhaps the most locked down city in all of Canada. You might recall

00:02:06.900 they had a curfew and it had different times, different dates, but from 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. was one

00:02:15.620 typical curfew, whether you were vaxxed or not, whether you were sick or not. The civil liberties

00:02:21.040 inferno was outrageous and too few lawyers cared. Well, one lawyer who cared very much and it

00:02:26.920 obviously pained him dearly is our friend known as Viva Fry online or David Fryheit as his mama called

00:02:34.340 him. He joins us now via Skype from Florida where he departed refusing to abide the lockdown

00:02:41.640 after several months. Joining us now, Viva Fryheit. Great to see you, David. Thanks very much for taking

00:02:46.720 the time. My pleasure, Ezra. I'll correct one thing. I guess I'm still a lawyer in terms of

00:02:51.980 training, but I call myself a former lawyer because I left Quebec. I'm no longer a member of the bar

00:02:59.220 in Quebec. I voluntarily abandoned my license because I don't think I'm going to need it in Quebec

00:03:04.240 anytime soon or possibly for the rest of my life. So now I've gone from being a lawyer to just being an

00:03:09.620 internet legal critique loudmouth guy who screams to the clouds at what I think are the most outrageous

00:03:16.380 injustices I've seen at least in my lifetime and possibly, I don't know, there have been worse

00:03:21.540 injustices in the history of humankind, but this is as bad as it's ever been in my life. I think you're

00:03:26.580 right. I've called it the civil liberties inferno. And one of the things that really upset me, and it's

00:03:31.840 one of the reasons why we created the Democracy Fund, it's an independent charity designed to fight

00:03:38.240 for civil liberties, is because the so-called Canadian Civil Liberties Association, it's like

00:03:43.200 they hit the snooze button right when the pandemic infringements began. They didn't do anything. And

00:03:50.580 all the people, all the law professors who put out, week after week they would put out press releases

00:03:56.340 about poor Omar Cotter in Guantanamo Bay and where's his civil liberties. If you cared about Omar

00:04:01.480 Cotter in Guantanamo Bay, why wouldn't you care about innocent Canadian citizens being in,

00:04:08.120 house arrest, simply, and even if they were vaxxed, even if they were healthy,

00:04:13.180 it, I just lost whatever faith I had in this, in the self-righteous, self-described civil

00:04:19.600 libertarians, because they all vanished when we needed them.

00:04:22.760 Ezra, like, I was very reluctant to make any comparisons, which many people consider to be

00:04:28.440 hyperbolic, between this era and other eras of historical atrocities. And I'm no longer reluctant

00:04:33.920 to do it, and I'm no longer shy about it, and I'm no longer apologetic for doing it.

00:04:37.660 When March 2020, and the world shut down, and I remember going to my parents' place,

00:04:42.380 talking with my dad, everyone is devastated. I was sort of more independent and not attached to

00:04:47.160 open society. I was on the internet, and that would exist nonetheless. Siblings who had jobs that were

00:04:53.220 basically effectively shut down overnight indefinitely. And I'm talking with my dad, and he says,

00:04:58.140 you see how fast society can go crazy, for lack of a better word. They can whip themselves up into a

00:05:04.200 frenzy. And it only got worse from there. That was within the first month. And then it went from

00:05:10.220 two weeks to flatten the curve, to celebrate Christmas alone. Don't visit your elderly loved

00:05:16.960 ones, because you might get them sick and die. Curfew, lockdowns, quarantine, government-designated

00:05:23.260 quarantine facilities, people being whisked away, vaccine passports. And within a period of two and

00:05:29.020 a half to three years, I saw how quickly a society could devolve, where historical atrocities of the

00:05:35.240 past make a lot more sense to me now, and unfortunately so. Yeah. You know, a lot of people say,

00:05:41.560 oh, how dare you make comparisons to Nazi Germany? Well, that is the ultimate comparator. After the

00:05:47.860 Holocaust, after the Second World War, one of the major trials in Nuremberg was the doctor trials,

00:05:54.280 because so many of the worst atrocities were committed by medical doctors. And part of the

00:06:00.440 verdict of the doctor trials, I mean, you can Google it, Nazi doctor trials. Part of the verdict was called

00:06:05.740 the Nuremberg Code. They sort of codified the moral rules that doctors should live under. I mean,

00:06:12.320 that ancient medical slogan, do no harm. What does that mean? Well, it means informed consent, and

00:06:18.740 the patient needs to know what you're doing, and they have the right to withdraw the consent, etc. Like,

00:06:23.520 it's a very codified rules that we came up with because of the Nazis, and we broke that code, so of course

00:06:31.680 we can make comparisons with the Nazis. And that's just on the doctor's side of things. What about the

00:06:37.040 demonization of minorities? What about the demonization of people who don't conform? And

00:06:43.760 the rage, in particular, Justin Trudeau obviously did some polling and saw that raging against the

00:06:51.320 unvaccinated seemed to work, because it was like he flipped a switch on, and the demonization, here's

00:06:56.920 a clip of that. I don't know if you, like, he would shout and say, you won't be able to sit next to us.

00:07:02.240 Well, that, I mean, again, Nazi Nuremberg laws of where Jews were and weren't allowed to go. The

00:07:07.940 new Jews were the unvaxxed. Here's a clip of Trudeau. The folks out there tonight shouting,

00:07:13.300 the anti-vaxxers, they're wrong. They are wrong about how we get through this pandemic.

00:07:23.040 And more than just being wrong, because everyone's entitled to their opinions, they are putting

00:07:28.680 at risk their own kids, and they're putting at risk our kids as well. That's why we've been

00:07:36.900 unequivocal. If you want to get on a plane or a train in the coming months, you're going to have

00:07:43.020 to be fully vaccinated. So families with their kids don't have to worry that someone is going to put

00:07:49.380 them in danger in the seat next to them or across the aisle. If you don't want to get vaccinated,

00:07:54.880 that's your choice. But don't think you can get on a plane or a train beside vaccinated people.

00:08:03.100 And now is the time for people who are still resistant to getting vaccinated to realize

00:08:10.460 that that choice, which has consequences on putting our kids at risk, which has consequences

00:08:18.520 at having us risk more lockdowns because they haven't chosen to get vaccinated yet,

00:08:26.740 that there will be consequences for those people in not being able to go to a gym or a restaurant,

00:08:34.140 not being able to go to a movie theater, not being able to get on a train or a plane.

00:08:39.040 It's going to be those people are putting us all at risk. I've got that one memorized,

00:08:42.440 the inflection in his voice. Ezra, it's not just that they went from Nuremberg to violating

00:08:49.280 Nuremberg. They went from Nuremberg, no human experimentation, informed consent to immunizing

00:08:54.500 pharma and the doctors and effectively the government immunizing them from real-time human

00:08:59.640 experimentation. If you can pull the clip in post or pull the clip, Obama getting up there and admitting

00:09:06.020 in real time, well, we've basically clinically trialed on billions of people. That's an admission

00:09:11.000 of real-time human experimentation. And people want to try to shame. Oh, sorry. Take a look at that

00:09:15.720 clip right now. It absolutely, take a look. And yet, despite the fact that we've now

00:09:20.600 essentially clinically tested the vaccine on billions of people worldwide,

00:09:31.320 around one in five Americans is still willing to put themselves at risk and put their families at risk

00:09:36.920 rather than get vaccinated. People are dying because of misinformation.

00:09:47.080 You got Obama admitting it, and people are going to try to shame me. Viva. People will say,

00:09:52.200 you can't make that comparison. I say, first of all, I can. My grandfather escaped Nazi Germany in 1936

00:09:58.360 to move to Argentina, went back to try to get some family members, and then ended up in, I believe it was

00:10:03.460 Winnipeg, Canada. I can make that analogy, and I'm not going to be shamed into it because I'm Jewish,

00:10:09.700 and I'm not going to be shamed into it regardless. Non-Jews can make that analogy. Jews can make that

00:10:14.180 analogy. And why? Some are going to say, well, nobody's being lined up in trains and exterminated.

00:10:21.140 History doesn't repeat, but it rhymes, to quote Mark Twain. And you want to talk about the adverse

00:10:26.500 events or adverse reactions caused by this experimental, whatever the hell you want to call

00:10:33.140 it. We're into the hundreds of thousands, if not the millions. And so we can't even say that we're

00:10:37.620 not even on the same scale in terms of numbers. What we are on right now in real time was human

00:10:42.740 experimentation. And not only do we not get to sue people for it, they've been immunized for the

00:10:47.940 consequences of their own actions. It's a world gone upside down. Yeah, you're so right. And by the way,

00:10:54.260 in society, anyone that they don't like, they call Hitler. I mean, the agent provocateur who unfurled

00:11:00.500 the Nazi flag, the swastika at the trucker convoy for about 30 seconds, just so it could be photographed

00:11:06.580 and then put it away immediately. What a psyop that was. So you can call anyone you don't like Hitler.

00:11:13.220 Trudeau immediately called the truckers racist, misogynist, whatever, baseless. But actually copying

00:11:20.420 what the Third Reich did, you can't point that out. And the thing is that Hitler won his

00:11:26.820 election in 33. And the Second World War didn't start till 39. And the Holocaust itself did not

00:11:32.900 get underway in earnest, really for another couple of years. And so let's say it took almost 10 years,

00:11:40.900 whereas we gave up so many of our civil liberties. Thank God, obviously, we didn't go that last half of

00:11:47.140 the journey to death camps. But we had quarantines, we had mandatory, you know, banning funerals,

00:11:53.540 banning weddings, house arrest. Boy, we moved a lot quicker with with social media allowed us to move

00:12:01.540 a lot more quickly than they did 90 years ago. Well, but we're yes, we never got to death camps

00:12:08.500 and the world will probably never get to death camps ever again because the next iteration of

00:12:14.260 whatever it was that went down as a as a societal collapse during World War Two, it'll happen in a

00:12:20.100 different way. But the consequences will be just as grave. We're going to have effectively,

00:12:24.820 if you believe the numbers, the various reports or the Canadian equivalent, hundreds of thousands,

00:12:28.900 if not millions of adverse reactions of serious importance or deaths. So they're not death camps

00:12:34.500 anymore. But what it is, is mass casualties as a result of human experimentation, for which the

00:12:40.100 pharma companies, the doctors and the government are effectively immunized. I mean, it doesn't have

00:12:43.860 to be death camps to be atrocious and an atrocity. And you might, well, hopefully you never get death

00:12:49.060 camps again. But what did we get in real time here? You got your quarantine facilities, government

00:12:54.020 designated quarantine facilities, imposed curfew, house arrest for millions of people. Demonization is

00:12:59.860 not, you know, is an understatement. People losing their jobs, vaccine passports, show me your

00:13:05.620 papers. Oh, I can't compare it to the Holocaust. I'm sorry. I can compare it to Nazi Germany when they

00:13:10.260 made my wife show her papers to go out at night after curfew for her job. So I'm sorry. I'm

00:13:15.940 unapologetic about it. I was late. I was reluctant, not late, reluctant to get on the Nuremberg 2.0

00:13:21.300 hashtag. I'm fully there now because I understand what they've done. And it is, it will be an atrocity

00:13:26.340 in 40 years, the same way we look back at other atrocities decades later and say those were atrocities.

00:13:31.300 Yeah. And the police aspect of it was there too. Adam Skelly, the restaurateur in Toronto who dared to

00:13:39.300 open his restaurant to the willing who went there, over a hundred police showed up. We

00:13:45.780 went to cover the curfew in Montreal and we had a couple of reporters who were harassed night after

00:13:51.620 night. We sent a whole team, more than 50 police swarmed our Airbnbs, surrounded us, had a 10 hour

00:13:59.380 standoff. They demanded the right to search our Airbnb houseboat. They couldn't find a judge who

00:14:05.380 was willing to give them the court order, search order. Here, just take a look at that.

00:14:11.460 See your wicked faces.

00:14:14.100 I'm other than David Menzies. I'm the oldest person in the company. And some of our people are quite young,

00:14:19.460 early twenties. There was even one younger sister of a staffer there who was 16. And I felt a sense of

00:14:26.740 parental duty, almost even for our staff who are in their twenties. I'm 50. I have some obligation to

00:14:33.860 them. The biggest part of the day was obviously David Menzies getting physically assaulted and dragged

00:14:40.420 to a police car. Where's your bulletproof vest? Aren't you more worried about bullets?

00:14:48.180 There was a car there, plainclothes officers. And I was hoping to talk to them, interview them.

00:14:55.460 And there was a female police constable. And we got very close and had this, you know,

00:15:02.900 our back and forth little discussion.

00:15:05.220 Do you see one guy?

00:15:06.340 Hey.

00:15:07.300 Do not touch our people.

00:15:08.900 I want you to get hit back.

00:15:09.700 Do not touch our people.

00:15:11.300 Do not touch our people.

00:15:11.700 Oh, here comes the real buddy.

00:15:12.740 Do not touch him.

00:15:13.300 Here comes the real buddy.

00:15:14.340 Did you touch him?

00:15:16.180 Why did you touch him?

00:15:17.860 Because he was getting hit back.

00:15:18.740 No, we didn't.

00:15:19.940 And I felt something, uh, touch me.

00:15:23.060 Are you hiding your name to me?

00:15:26.100 Instinctively, with an open arm, I spun around and reached out. And lo and behold,

00:15:31.860 it was a police officer. And then this starts a whole kerfuffle.

00:15:34.900 Do you want to get a rest set for that?

00:15:36.740 Here are the thugs.

00:15:38.660 I tried to stop him and the cop picked me up and threw me.

00:15:41.380 It's a whole puzzle.

00:15:49.940 I was in trouble thinking about it.

00:15:54.220 He's a big girl.

00:15:56.260 Someone Vikings about being risks are just a misguided,

00:16:00.120 that's usually perpetual..

00:16:01.140 ...from Don't know if they think I've tried to do that.

00:16:03.460 Shame, shame, shame..

00:16:06.020 There they go.

00:16:06.900 Shame, shame, shame, shame.

00:16:08.980 I think I bit it in half as they were dragging me through there.

00:16:20.520 That was my last act of civil disobedience.

00:16:35.400 Next thing I know, I'm driven to a jail cell.

00:16:38.600 I'm put in there.

00:16:40.560 And I must have been in there for at least three hours.

00:16:43.220 It's hard to tell.

00:16:43.860 They took my watch and my cell phone.

00:16:45.840 I mean, I wasn't particularly really scared of these cops.

00:16:49.140 I didn't feel like they were going to shoot me or hit me over the head with a baton.

00:16:52.380 But they did throw one of our reporters in jail, David Menzies.

00:16:55.560 And they actually told our lawyer, we had a lawyer on the scene.

00:16:57.920 The cops told our lawyer, if we would let them search our houseboat, that's where our Airbnb was, they would let David out of jail.

00:17:07.380 So they weren't arresting him for any crime.

00:17:10.860 They were arresting him as some sort of weird bargaining chip.

00:17:14.120 Here's a little flashback.

00:17:15.340 By the way, we've got a documentary coming out about this whole thing.

00:17:18.020 It's called Raid.

00:17:19.140 And we'll have that shortly.

00:17:20.520 But take a look at this.

00:17:21.360 All of a sudden, all of the Montreal police were on us like we had done something.

00:17:48.520 Come back with a warrant.

00:17:50.480 Who are these rogue, dirty cops?

00:17:53.540 You've got to stop lying.

00:17:54.740 My hands.

00:17:55.260 You've got to stop lying.

00:17:57.140 You wicked liar.

00:17:58.700 When Montreal police accost our reporters, you know what they call us?

00:18:03.800 Jew media.

00:18:05.060 What?

00:18:08.040 Who are you, sir?

00:18:09.360 I'm with Rebel News.

00:18:10.840 Smashed my head on the police SUV.

00:18:35.080 They started expanding the police perimeter as if we're like a COVID crime scene.

00:18:48.860 They will taser you.

00:18:51.100 They have already arrested one of our reporters.

00:18:53.640 So, yeah, don't tell me 50 police surrounding a bunch of journalists and demanding warrantless

00:19:11.500 search of our premises.

00:19:13.360 Don't tell me that didn't have echoes of the Nazis.

00:19:16.640 But let's talk about you because you were in the belly of the beast.

00:19:20.560 I think Montreal was the most locked down city in Canada, just like Melbourne, Australia

00:19:24.820 was the most locked down in that country.

00:19:27.560 And we had the, by coincidence, our Australian reporter was based there.

00:19:31.760 And he was able to tell that story.

00:19:33.660 I remember when you made the decision to get the hell out.

00:19:36.740 And I respect that decision.

00:19:38.600 I feel like I have a different obligation.

00:19:41.800 I sort of feel like I have to be the last one out.

00:19:44.840 I feel like if I'm calling on Canadians to fight, I feel like I have to be here, especially

00:19:49.480 if we have reporters.

00:19:50.640 That's just, I see my role as different.

00:19:53.560 You made the decision to get out while you could, which is probably in the sweep of history,

00:19:58.580 the smart thing.

00:19:59.420 It would be like a Jew in 1938 saying, you know what?

00:20:02.600 I think I'm going to leave now because I don't know what 39 and 40 is going to be like.

00:20:06.960 And believe me, we didn't know how long and how bad things were going to get.

00:20:12.860 I mean, until the sun started to rise again, maybe it was going to get darker and stay dark.

00:20:18.920 I think the truckers broke the fever.

00:20:21.600 But we didn't know.

00:20:22.620 Would we be under house arrest for years?

00:20:25.080 I had one staffer who was panicked that she wouldn't be able to take the bus.

00:20:29.220 How could she even get around?

00:20:30.620 Tell me about your decision to leave for the freest jurisdiction in North America.

00:20:34.640 It was, well, it was a weird one because I say like, if I didn't have kids,

00:20:39.600 I might either still be there or I would have left a lot earlier.

00:20:43.780 I've got, the only reason I left, I would say the main reason was for my kids.

00:20:48.820 And it'll, people will say, well, it's a, it's a coward's way out anyhow.

00:20:52.020 And I can understand the critique.

00:20:53.300 It's not like I haven't had that reflection of myself on my own.

00:20:57.400 I might've either been out earlier, a lot earlier if I had no kids or stayed and fought

00:21:02.540 because I had no kids.

00:21:05.020 But it's only going to be a matter of time before what I was doing in Canada is going

00:21:08.180 to be, you know, I'm not going to be able to do it in Canada as a result of the online

00:21:12.060 streaming act.

00:21:12.960 The other one there, you know, they're going to make it impossible for independent voices

00:21:16.820 to even fight the battle within.

00:21:18.960 I left because it was the vaccine passport.

00:21:21.040 That was one of the red lines in the sand.

00:21:23.280 I said, they're putting in vaccine passports.

00:21:24.940 I'm not going to be compelled to do this to my kids, period.

00:21:28.640 Well, I took two of those things, whatever the hell you want to call it.

00:21:32.440 But touch wood, you know, I seem to be fine.

00:21:35.720 But there's no way I'm going to do that type of real-time experimentation on my kids.

00:21:39.560 They're not going to live in a jurisdiction with vaccine passports.

00:21:42.900 My kid was 12 when they had that passport that applied to 13 and up.

00:21:46.400 She was on the soccer field when she sees kids getting kicked off the soccer field because

00:21:50.300 they weren't vaccinated.

00:21:51.420 And I said, this is not normal.

00:21:55.240 A child should not have to live through this type of psychological abuse.

00:21:58.620 And I'm sure as hell not going to have her be the victim of this in a year when she hits

00:22:02.500 that time.

00:22:03.060 They dropped the vaccine passport.

00:22:04.860 And then everyone's like, OK, well, I'll stay now.

00:22:06.240 And I'm like, you're staying with a dog that bit you on the face.

00:22:09.700 Oh, well, it bit me once.

00:22:11.040 And now I'm just going to leave it because it looks happy now.

00:22:12.640 You're living with a dog.

00:22:13.720 And I said, I'm not living in this province where they can willy-nilly lock you down.

00:22:18.160 Horacio Arruda, during the curfews, came out and said, there's no scientific basis for

00:22:21.920 this, but it's a reminder as to how serious the situation is.

00:22:24.520 Then they came out with a vaccine passport.

00:22:26.260 No science to that.

00:22:27.460 And I said, I'm not going to subject my kids to this type of lifestyle.

00:22:31.120 And I believe I can wage the better war politically, verbally, from Florida than from Canada.

00:22:37.080 And thus far, I think I've been able to get what's going on in Canada on an international

00:22:41.600 scale, maybe more effectively, maybe I'm just rationalizing it myself, but I think I've

00:22:45.620 been more effective getting the network of American podcasters that I have down here

00:22:49.340 to get the word of Canada on even more blast than I would have been able to do had I stayed.

00:22:53.460 Yeah, I don't doubt it.

00:22:54.340 And I mean, obviously, I had a lot of those same thoughts myself.

00:22:58.360 And how long do you wait before you get out, especially if you are a public figure who is

00:23:07.340 a contrarian and a skeptic and a nonconformist and encouraging others.

00:23:12.820 And it was very lonely for a while there.

00:23:17.900 And, you know, there were some litigation started.

00:23:23.180 And the courts moved so slowly on it that by the time certain of these matters got to

00:23:28.040 court, like you say, the vaccine passports were dropped, the no-fly list was dropped.

00:23:32.600 And there was an important case by the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms, that's

00:23:37.060 one of the few civil rights groups in the country, Brian Peckford, Maxine Bernier, there

00:23:41.460 were a number of plaintiffs who were unjabbed who were suing the no-fly list.

00:23:46.620 They were saying this is unscientific, we're the second largest landmass in the world, this

00:23:50.940 is an impermissible infringement.

00:23:53.420 They had outstanding cross-examination of bureaucrats who admitted there was no science.

00:23:58.080 And the court said, sorry, it's over now, so this is moot, so we're not going to bother

00:24:03.700 ruling on this.

00:24:05.600 And the very fact that we were slow enables us to get out of it.

00:24:08.940 By the way, the U.S. Supreme Court weighed in on the pandemic very quickly.

00:24:13.040 I remember within months in California when they banned singing in churches, the Supreme

00:24:19.520 Court issued a ruling saying, if you can have, you know, American Idol and America's Got Talent,

00:24:24.700 then you can have singing in churches.

00:24:25.920 That was one of the analogies in the ruling.

00:24:27.940 Basically, yes, you can limit churches, but no more than you can limit anything else in

00:24:31.320 society or discrimination.

00:24:33.440 Their U.S. Supreme Court got involved right away.

00:24:35.780 Our Canadian Supreme Court, it's been almost four years, has not yet heard a single case

00:24:42.920 about the lockdown that I'm aware of.

00:24:44.760 They just have better things to do.

00:24:46.920 It's, you're being very polite.

00:24:49.980 It's corruption.

00:24:50.840 It's judicial institutionalized corruption.

00:24:52.780 The rulings that did come down, and I was following virtually all of them.

00:24:56.980 In Quebec, there was a lawyer who challenged the curfew.

00:24:59.400 And the judge actually said, a curfew doesn't violate your charter rights.

00:25:02.780 They challenged the government-designated quarantine facilities, you know, being whisked off to

00:25:06.680 a hotel.

00:25:07.420 They said, no, it doesn't violate your charter rights.

00:25:09.620 Not being denied your right to access of a lawyer.

00:25:11.860 That did.

00:25:12.380 That was the bridge too far.

00:25:13.720 But no, you could be detained and you could be charged for it.

00:25:15.960 But the courts were ratifying, sanctioning, denying a parent visitation rights if they

00:25:22.720 weren't vaccinated, granting one parent the right to, I'm not going to use the word

00:25:26.920 vaccinated, to jab their kid.

00:25:29.160 The courts were complicit in all of this.

00:25:31.640 And it's because once upon a time, the authorities deferred to the men in military uniforms.

00:25:36.580 And this time around, history repeating, but not, history rhyming, but not repeating,

00:25:40.240 they deferred to the people in the white cloaks, the white medical jackets.

00:25:43.560 And they spouted stuff that was objectively wrong as judicial notice.

00:25:48.500 In some of these cases, they were saying, it's judicial notice that the jab is safe

00:25:51.840 and effective.

00:25:52.500 And we're now learning that it was neither safe nor effective.

00:25:55.380 But they took this as judicial notice to deny people, deprive people their most basic

00:25:59.320 charter rights, constitutional rights.

00:26:01.280 And it became clear to anyone paying attention, Canadians have no rights.

00:26:05.220 That thing called the Charter of Rights and Freedoms that gives us our rights, but you

00:26:08.440 know, God-given rights, not even worth the digital paper on which they're not written.

00:26:12.300 Yeah.

00:26:13.120 Judicial notice, by the way, for viewers who are unfamiliar, that basically is when the

00:26:16.840 judge says, this is so obvious.

00:26:18.760 We all know it.

00:26:19.720 I don't need it submitted as evidence.

00:26:21.500 We all know it's safe and effective.

00:26:23.240 Well, no, actually, we don't.

00:26:26.280 You know, just the other day, the Auditor General in New Brunswick reviewed 33 health

00:26:32.320 orders and found there was zero, there was no scientific backing for any of it.

00:26:37.480 And actually, I learned about this story, funny enough, on the CBC.

00:26:40.220 The CBC, which was the leading propaganda stalking horse for the lockdowns, actually, you know,

00:26:47.640 I guess a stop clock is right twice a day.

00:26:50.520 They actually did a story on these 33 orders.

00:26:52.580 There was no documentary evidentiary basis behind them.

00:26:58.080 Now that you remind me, Nova Scotia, they succeeded by way of injunction in preventing public

00:27:03.280 protest against the lockdown measures.

00:27:05.300 I mean, it was absolute insanity, top to bottom, left to right.

00:27:11.000 And the courts were complicit.

00:27:13.160 And yeah, judicial notice.

00:27:14.540 Judicial notice of something which is now scientifically and demonstrably wrong.

00:27:18.800 And how many people suffered consequences as a result of that?

00:27:21.700 Meaningful ones.

00:27:22.360 I mean, health ones.

00:27:23.640 Yeah.

00:27:23.700 So, you know, it's, it's, um, I, unfortunately I had to leave, but it's a, it's a, it's a weird

00:27:28.900 analogy comparison over time.

00:27:30.680 My grandfather was the only one of our family of 25 that left Poland.

00:27:34.400 He was the only one, all the other 24 stayed and perished.

00:27:37.400 And it's not, you know, it's not that dire of a situation because, you know, they're not

00:27:41.900 actively hunting people down in Canada.

00:27:44.400 Right.

00:27:44.580 But the amount of people I know who stayed got two, three, four, I don't know how many

00:27:48.780 jabs.

00:27:49.380 And now we're seeing the, you know, the, the, the consequences of that again, it rhymes,

00:27:54.720 but it doesn't repeat.

00:27:55.840 No, I, you know what?

00:27:56.800 And in no way am I, uh, disparaging your decision and.

00:28:02.640 You know, you keep thinking, well, if it gets worse, I'll go, if it gets worse, I'll go.

00:28:05.940 Well then in the end, well, how do you go?

00:28:07.460 How do you go?

00:28:07.980 If you're not allowed to fly, if you're not allowed to cross the border, like, uh, oh, well,

00:28:12.560 I, it just won't get that bad.

00:28:14.040 I'll just, uh, use, uh, a food delivery.

00:28:17.400 So I can't go to any restaurant.

00:28:18.740 You know what?

00:28:19.280 I, to this day, I remember the restaurants that wouldn't let me in and the ones that did,

00:28:24.300 you know, and I, I will never forget that.

00:28:26.440 I'm still angry at being, yeah, play, I, places I would, I had, there was a, there was

00:28:31.960 a bakery around the corner of our office here.

00:28:33.680 And every morning I would stop in, um, for a little cappuccino.

00:28:38.300 So our office is in a working class area in Toronto.

00:28:41.800 I love all the Italian construction guys get a little cappuccino on, on their way.

00:28:45.980 It's just a great start to the day.

00:28:47.520 And I went into that bakery probably a thousand times.

00:28:51.980 And then I go in and say, where's your mask?

00:28:54.480 Get out of here with other, it's me.

00:28:56.280 It's me, Ezra.

00:28:57.160 I'm here every day.

00:28:57.920 And I thought, there's no one else in you.

00:29:00.460 Why, why are you being a cop?

00:29:02.860 And I, I, I should tell you that, uh, that's one of the things that I hated the most about

00:29:08.160 it was not just the government coming at you, but how the government pitted storekeeper

00:29:14.440 against customer, uh, patient against doctor, doctor against college of his, like it pitted

00:29:20.620 us against each other, uh, in ways that I, and, and families against each other.

00:29:26.580 And you, you talked about that for a moment there about custody.

00:29:29.860 Well, Ezra, it's, it's, I mean, Hitler's willing executioners.

00:29:33.680 The analogies are, are unfortunately too many to, to, to deny at this point.

00:29:38.040 You had people who turned into willing executioners.

00:29:40.920 You had, you had others who were just too dependent on the system to fight back.

00:29:45.300 And you had, it really, it revealed the inner tyrant in a lot of people, but, and then you

00:29:49.740 got the CBC running the article, you know, the joys of snitching on your neighbor during

00:29:53.120 a pandemic where the CBC's only problem with snitching on your neighbor is that it adversely

00:29:57.740 affected black Canadians more than white Canadians, because it, it was, you saw how it all works

00:30:03.100 in tandem.

00:30:03.780 When you have the courts on the side of the government, the media bought out by the government

00:30:07.560 running the government's message, brainwashing Canadians in real time through outright propaganda.

00:30:12.780 And now we're learning, I'm sure you saw the report coming from Blacklock's reporters

00:30:16.420 about the government paying 600 and some odd thousand dollars to influencers to push COVID

00:30:22.100 messaging.

00:30:22.800 I mean, it's, it's, it's, how much worse can it possibly get?

00:30:26.440 We are victims of a government funded PSYOP, government funded with our tax dollars to brainwash

00:30:31.980 the citizens, to use a media to propagandize, to basically sell propaganda to the citizens.

00:30:38.960 The courts reinforce, reaffirm what the government's doing.

00:30:41.680 How much worse can it possibly get?

00:30:44.420 Yeah.

00:30:44.760 And by the way, I mean, if it sounds like we're rehashing old news, these things are

00:30:50.300 very much alive.

00:30:51.360 Tamara Leach, her trial, which has already had more than 30 days of hearings, has gone

00:30:57.940 so long in a mischief trial.

00:30:59.900 This is the longest mischief trial in Canadian history.

00:31:02.460 And I've heard from-

00:31:03.080 It's not funny.

00:31:04.020 Oh, I know.

00:31:04.500 It's funny, but it's not funny.

00:31:05.500 I mean, and, and by the way, she's lost her job.

00:31:09.240 Who would hire someone who, not just in trouble, but has to be in Ottawa all this time at her

00:31:14.200 own expense?

00:31:15.000 The process is the punishment.

00:31:16.660 I've heard from her that this case will be going on to March.

00:31:19.560 They have no case against her.

00:31:20.880 They're just trying to punish her this way, because I think even they know that she's going

00:31:26.280 to be acquitted.

00:31:27.220 And then in Coutts, Alberta, the Democracy Fund and Rebel News are representing, I think,

00:31:32.860 13 people who were charged there, including a group called the Coutts Three.

00:31:37.380 There's another four men who were charged with more serious crimes, including conspiracy to

00:31:41.140 commit murder, which is very serious stuff.

00:31:43.580 But I don't know.

00:31:45.820 We've done reporting on those cases will be- I believe that the legal shadow from the prosecutions

00:31:52.860 will stretch into 2025.

00:31:56.840 Even Arthur Pawlowski, he was convicted of giving a sermon, a pep talk to the blockaders,

00:32:02.960 and we're, the Democracy Fund is appealing that.

00:32:05.120 I guess my point is, the government, the courts refuse to hear any freedom-oriented court cases,

00:32:11.940 but they're willing to hear these prosecutions.

00:32:14.600 Seriously, five years after the pandemic began, we will still be in these courts.

00:32:19.580 It's beyond the process is the punishments.

00:32:23.200 They want to bankrupt these people, but for the fact that they can raise public funds to

00:32:28.160 pay for a meaningful defense, they would have, and they still will bankrupt them.

00:32:31.880 But they also, they literally want to kill them with the process.

00:32:34.560 And I'm not being hyperbolic.

00:32:35.660 I don't mean like murder.

00:32:36.800 They want them to die of heart attacks.

00:32:38.480 They want them to die from stress.

00:32:39.920 And some of them do.

00:32:41.180 Others take their own lives.

00:32:42.880 I mean, it's like Canada has learned from what America is doing to the January Sixers.

00:32:47.760 Exactly. And Trudeau wanted that narrative.

00:32:50.120 He so badly wanted the truckers to be a violent MAGA insurrection.

00:32:54.460 He hated it when they were the most peaceful.

00:32:56.420 He hated the bouncy castles and the hot tubs.

00:33:00.100 The hot tub.

00:33:00.320 Because that showed how friendly and fun.

00:33:02.220 And I went down, there was like a festival feeling.

00:33:04.120 I think you were down there too.

00:33:05.400 It was bloody cold, but it was fun.

00:33:07.760 It was like a Canada day in the winter.

00:33:10.100 It was, I mean, I was down there live streaming maybe 12 or 13 days.

00:33:13.380 I was there on the Saturday when the, really the police force came in like a bunch of Gestapo

00:33:17.980 stormtroopers to mix, mix comparisons.

00:33:20.900 The crowd was literally cheering.

00:33:23.040 We love you.

00:33:23.920 We love you to the cops when they detonated two concussive grenades.

00:33:27.240 And now in retrospect, I'm convinced they did it to trigger a panic or violent response

00:33:31.820 from the crowd.

00:33:32.400 I got the video.

00:33:33.120 So if you can find it, play it right now.

00:33:34.760 It'll be amazing to watch.

00:33:36.240 But Trudeau wanted a January six, but he learned the lessons.

00:33:39.600 Nonetheless, you don't have to have a January six to pull a January six persecution.

00:33:42.560 And the amount of January sixes, I think they're up to a half dozen who took their own lives,

00:33:47.220 bankrupted them, locked them up in, in pre-trial detention for years on bogus trumped up charges.

00:33:52.580 The, the, the, the process is the punishment, but they want to destroy them physically, financially

00:33:57.520 and, you know, kill them, kill them through the stress.

00:34:01.360 And, you know, it's, it's, I don't know how we come back from this.

00:34:05.800 That's the question.

00:34:06.540 People ask me if I want to come back to Canada.

00:34:09.240 I don't think, I don't know what it takes to remedy this.

00:34:12.100 I don't know how long it takes to heal these wounds, but it's, it's going to be, it's going

00:34:16.860 to be a generation at least to repair this if it's even, you know, able to be repaired.

00:34:20.400 I think the reason Trudeau didn't get away with it, if I may, has a lot to do with citizen

00:34:26.360 journalism because all the regime media, oh, I'm afraid to go down there.

00:34:31.600 I'm afraid of violence.

00:34:32.940 So they were just rewriting government press releases from their offices, but it was citizen

00:34:37.820 journalists like yourself, like rebel news.

00:34:40.240 We had a couple of staff who were 23 days straight in Ottawa.

00:34:43.500 We sent, we had two guys embedded in the coots blockade for, for more than a week.

00:34:48.580 And we had a lawyer embedded down there too.

00:34:50.700 We were able to get the story out.

00:34:52.660 And I think that is what, one of the big things that stopped Trudeau from casting this as a

00:34:58.360 violent insurrection by MAGA, you know, like he had this whole thing that didn't work and

00:35:03.780 he was so angry by it and, and citizen journalists like you, like rebel news, there were a handful

00:35:09.120 of others got the story out enormously.

00:35:11.580 I, I think you may have heard our staff that during that month of February, we had 400 million

00:35:17.240 impressions and views, 400 million.

00:35:19.920 And that is as large as the CBC on any normal month.

00:35:23.940 We were able to, and plus you and plus true North and plus a handful of others.

00:35:29.980 I think not only did we stop Trudeau's narrative, but we embarrassed him internationally because

00:35:34.840 he, he seemed like he wasn't in control and he panicked and he had an unforced error or

00:35:40.940 a forced error.

00:35:41.700 I'm sorry, I'm not sure which it was, an error.

00:35:45.240 He brought in the martial law and he, he felt pretty tough about that.

00:35:50.040 But if you look at the polls, that marks the beginning and the end.

00:35:53.340 That is, if you look at the polls, when he invoked the martial law, seized bank accounts,

00:35:59.120 when he, when the, uh, his mask dropped and he showed that he was a bit tyrannical, that's

00:36:04.440 when he started to go down in the polls.

00:36:06.260 Maybe it's a coincidence, but, but that was the point.

00:36:09.100 The truckers did it.

00:36:09.840 But what's, what's amazing is that there's still a great many Canadians who still believe

00:36:14.800 the CBC, uh, narrative, but it was, I think it was the biggest, um, awakening internationally

00:36:21.220 as well, but to many Canadians, the CBC is down there saying that there's a Nazi flag and

00:36:26.600 they're pissing and, and, and desecrating the war monument, uh, that, you know, the, the

00:36:30.740 truckers are placing their kids at risk, using them as human shields.

00:36:33.820 What were some of the other ones that they defaced the Terry Fox Memorial?

00:36:37.080 Yeah.

00:36:37.240 Cause they put a flag on them.

00:36:38.660 Cause they put a flag on them, but you know, when it's, when it's a gay pride month and

00:36:42.200 they put a gay pride flag in, in Terry Fox, then it's, then it's, uh, you know, empowerment.

00:36:46.180 I mean, I think it does mark the, the beginning of the end of these regimes of these institutions

00:36:51.240 to a great many people.

00:36:53.520 The problem is, and it's not one that I'm going to be soon to forget, um, is the degree

00:36:58.100 to which neighbors, uh, effectively turned on neighbors and we're willing to just throw

00:37:03.960 away their freedoms for the semblance of safety.

00:37:06.640 Yeah.

00:37:07.000 As if, I don't know how long into this it needed, you know, people needed to realize it had nothing

00:37:12.400 to do with safety.

00:37:13.220 I, I, I was, I, I accepted the two weeks to flatten the curve.

00:37:16.360 I was really freaked out in the beginning.

00:37:17.720 I'm a bit neurotic and hypochondriacal to begin with, but when they started padlocking

00:37:21.920 the outdoor dog run, April, 2020, I realized nothing to do with safety, but the degree

00:37:27.540 to which people who have not had to fight for their freedom would willy nilly throw it

00:37:32.200 away for the semblance of safety.

00:37:33.900 Yeah.

00:37:34.180 It was discouraging.

00:37:35.080 And I hope people have learned the lesson, but I hope it's not too late.

00:37:37.880 Yeah.

00:37:38.100 You know, um, I had a new neighbor in the middle of it and I went up to say hello and

00:37:44.280 he pulled his hand away when I put mine out to shake his and he refused to shake my hand

00:37:49.100 because of the pandemic.

00:37:50.560 I, I should tell you, I have not, I have not spoken to him since then.

00:37:54.260 I mean, not that we would have a lot to do with each other, but, uh, I just thought who

00:37:58.060 the hell are you and who the hell do you think I am and what is wrong with you?

00:38:03.680 But, but he, I mean, imagine how terrified some, he was terrified.

00:38:10.020 He was what a conformist and maybe I shouldn't be as angry at him as I am, but, uh, I have

00:38:16.220 no desire to, to friend him.

00:38:18.520 No, but as a, it, it broke people.

00:38:21.540 I, I, you know, when I go across the border to Canada and I'm, you know, coming back for

00:38:25.180 Christmas, I still see people out here in Florida wearing masks outside.

00:38:28.880 They, they tend to be, uh, I think they're politically identifiable to put it.

00:38:33.680 Politically correctly, but, you know, but I, I'm at this point, I feel just tremendously

00:38:38.600 bad for people.

00:38:39.560 They, people have been broken and I think Canadian, uh, more Canadians proportionally

00:38:44.000 have been broken.

00:38:44.620 Yeah.

00:38:45.360 Um, and I, and it has to do with, it has to do with the propaganda that was successfully

00:38:49.480 used on Canadians.

00:38:50.520 Yeah.

00:38:51.000 Uh, oh, did we, did we, I didn't, I don't think we mentioned the spying on Canadians.

00:38:54.540 I just wanted to draw, you know, to draw more analogies.

00:38:56.920 We now know the government spied on us, tested propaganda on us, experimented on us.

00:39:01.420 Right.

00:39:01.620 Uh, and, and, and, okay, it doesn't matter, but they're broken.

00:39:05.220 People are broken and I can understand them from being broken, but you understand how breaking

00:39:09.600 people and whipping them into irrational panic frenzies, people no longer make the best

00:39:14.360 choices in that state of mind.

00:39:15.960 And that's exactly how you end up with, with, with tyranny and tyrants.

00:39:18.800 Yeah.

00:39:19.120 And for some people, it gave them a whole new identity.

00:39:21.380 You mentioned the Hitler's willing executioners.

00:39:23.860 They were people who they finally found their, their meaning and their moment.

00:39:27.860 They could be a mask enforcer.

00:39:29.680 They could be a neighbor snitcher.

00:39:31.940 They, uh, suddenly found a way to be morally superior to their neighbors by, um, by calling

00:39:37.220 out their neighbors failure to double mask or whatever.

00:39:40.240 So I, uh, you identified a whole swath of people who would have done just great under

00:39:45.940 the KGB or the SS.

00:39:47.660 Hey, let me pivot to one more thing.

00:39:49.760 Cause I want to make sure we talk about it today.

00:39:51.380 And, and I, I don't mind going through these things because although, um, in some ways

00:39:55.600 they feel, you know, I think a lot of people have re-normalized the political hangover.

00:40:01.700 By the way, not a single politician other than maybe Jason Kenney and Aaron O'Toole learned

00:40:06.780 a lesson here.

00:40:08.160 Every single politician who was up for re-election in, in Canada was re-elected.

00:40:13.800 Doug Ford re-elected.

00:40:15.580 Um, in, you know, all, all, Justin Trudeau re-elected, it was only Jason Kenney thrown

00:40:21.440 out by his own party and same with the federal conservatives.

00:40:24.820 In Quebec, Francois Legault, the supreme leader, dictator, whatever he is, got more seats.

00:40:30.780 Yeah.

00:40:31.120 In fairness, in fairness, I think we know a whole heck of a lot more now than we did then.

00:40:36.180 And I think, I like to think the people who have now suffered the adverse events from

00:40:41.640 what has been imposed on them will, will learn the lesson.

00:40:45.980 The problem also is human nature being what it is.

00:40:48.440 I think people have sacrificed more than they can ever admit, recognize, and come to grips

00:40:53.320 with.

00:40:53.580 And so when you're at the point where you've sacrificed more than you ought to have, and

00:40:56.840 you recognize it, and you know, you're never getting it back.

00:40:59.100 It becomes a question of coping with not trying to remedy.

00:41:02.560 And you don't want to admit that you were wrong.

00:41:04.500 It's very hard to admit that you're wrong.

00:41:06.680 Um, Hey, I want to talk about one more thing, and I know it's important to you.

00:41:10.840 And we touched on it before about the government propaganda.

00:41:13.920 There was two sides to that.

00:41:15.060 One was the government propaganda.

00:41:17.060 You mentioned the Blacklock story revealing hundreds of thousands of dollars paid to Twitter

00:41:22.360 influencers.

00:41:23.380 Then there was over a hundred million dollars, also a Blacklock story, paid by the government

00:41:27.740 to the regime media during the lockdowns.

00:41:30.200 There's the media, the annual media bailout.

00:41:33.580 So there's the carrot.

00:41:35.100 But then there's now the stick, because, you know, you can't force people to watch the

00:41:41.780 CBC.

00:41:42.440 The CBC's viewership is falling, even by their own acknowledgement.

00:41:46.860 People will find interesting things on their own.

00:41:50.000 YouTube and others did throttle skeptical websites in cahoots with Pfizer, etc.

00:41:56.600 But now in Canada, you've got C-11, which grants the government domain over the internet.

00:42:01.320 C-18, other bills yet to come.

00:42:03.980 They have something called the Online Harms Act that they're planning to reintroduce.

00:42:07.700 So if the government couldn't get people to watch the regime media with a carrot, here

00:42:13.120 they come with a stick.

00:42:14.760 Now, let's talk a little bit about that, because I'm not sure if you're still with Rumble.com.

00:42:20.400 I understand that for a period of time, you were actually giving legal advice to Rumble.

00:42:24.860 Rumble is a freedom-oriented YouTube competitor, so much so that they refuse to abide France's

00:42:31.700 required censorship.

00:42:32.820 And so Rumble's banned in France.

00:42:34.740 But thank God Rumble is still...

00:42:36.500 And Tucker recently announced he's going to join Rumble.

00:42:39.420 Tell me about the state of censorship.

00:42:41.900 The good, the bad, the ugly, Elon Musk, Rumble, but what we're also learning about...

00:42:47.400 Just give me an update on censorship in the internet.

00:42:52.000 Get ready for a rant, or at least a long...

00:42:54.520 Is it a soliloquy?

00:42:55.440 I want to hear it.

00:42:56.200 Yeah, soliloquy.

00:42:56.940 Give me.

00:42:57.760 Starting with one thing before I forget.

00:43:00.800 Trudeau bailed out the print media in 2018 with $600 million.

00:43:04.520 And then he bailed out the digital with all of these COVID ads over the course of, whatever,

00:43:08.520 three years.

00:43:09.860 It is billed with C-18, right?

00:43:11.600 The link tax.

00:43:13.220 I called it...

00:43:14.080 I mean, it wasn't rocket science.

00:43:15.800 I said, this is just another way for the government, the federal government, to find

00:43:19.780 a way to subsidize the flailing legacy government propaganda, the media, by imposing this link

00:43:25.720 tax, which Google and Meta at one point said, we're not going to do, so we're not going

00:43:29.320 to link to news in Canada.

00:43:30.840 And Canadians saw the consequences of that.

00:43:32.780 Well, they struck a deal.

00:43:34.060 Google's going to pay $100 million a year in link tax, and that's going to go to select

00:43:38.280 media outlets, and we know which ones it's going to go to.

00:43:40.460 So they go from direct bailout to disguise bailout through COVID ads and other government

00:43:45.760 advertising to legislative bailout, which is indirect, by creating this link tax law and

00:43:50.980 coercing Google to pay $100 million, which they're certainly going to divvy out and dole

00:43:55.560 out to their preferred media outlets, the ones that can't succeed on their own merits.

00:43:59.720 So that's how you capture an entire system.

00:44:01.940 The free speech, and then they want to suppress free speech by treating online content like

00:44:06.440 television and radio, Canadian content requirements for Canadian content creators.

00:44:10.780 We know where that's going to go.

00:44:13.040 Rumble is, I mean, I say Rumble, Twitter as well, but Elon was a little slower to the

00:44:19.120 ball than Chris Pawlowski and Rumble.

00:44:21.700 You know, Twitter and Elon just let Alex Jones back on.

00:44:25.480 Right.

00:44:26.160 But it took a long time.

00:44:27.580 And, you know, Twitter, which boasts itself on, you know, free speech, and it's the free

00:44:32.460 speech platform, well, you know, for a while, Elon had an exception for Alex Jones, but I

00:44:38.400 knew at the time it was based on a misunderstanding of why Alex Jones was kicked off of Twitter

00:44:42.340 in the first place, which Elon thought had to do with Sandy Hook, which in reality it didn't.

00:44:46.440 It had to do with him bothering Oliver Darcy in the halls of Congress.

00:44:51.500 Elon is doing the right thing, better late than never.

00:44:54.180 Rumble's been doing it from day one and taking the heat for it.

00:44:56.660 You know, W5 wanted to run a hit piece on Rumble, and they found, you know, Viva as the

00:45:02.020 unwilling participant where I agreed to an interview, and they used me as a tool, as a

00:45:06.220 pathway to defame Rumble and say that Rumble's somehow responsible for toxic and hateful

00:45:11.020 comments in the comment section of the hundreds and millions of comments on Rumble, as if

00:45:15.280 YouTube doesn't have the same problem.

00:45:17.120 Rumble didn't bend the knee.

00:45:18.180 France had taken down RT, and they said, no, we're not going to do that.

00:45:21.060 And they said, well, we're going to shut you off in France, and so you need a VPN to

00:45:23.900 get to Rumble out of France, it's an amazing platform.

00:45:29.580 And I'm saying this not just because I'm exclusive with Rumble, and not just because I actually

00:45:33.420 helped draft the terms of service, which I think are amazing.

00:45:36.680 They walk the walk, and Chris Pawlowski talks the talk and deals with the brunt of it.

00:45:41.520 But it's an amazing thing.

00:45:42.800 You would never have thought the left, which Democrats, which had historically been anti-big

00:45:48.500 government, anti-big pharma, my body, my choice, anti-censorship, they are now anti-big corporations.

00:45:56.920 The left now is literally big pro-government, pro-big pharma, pro-censorship, pro-big banks,

00:46:03.860 if you could believe it.

00:46:04.700 This whole lawsuit out of New York against Trump predicated on the idea that the banks

00:46:08.600 didn't charge Trump enough interest.

00:46:10.080 They're flipping out over free speech, because they think Alex Jones is going to lead to death

00:46:17.000 and destruction by virtue of being allowed back on Twitter.

00:46:21.380 You realize it never had to do with principled free speech.

00:46:25.580 It never had to do with principled preventing hate speech, whatever that means.

00:46:29.140 It had to do with narrative control.

00:46:31.020 And the only way certain people can maintain control is by suppressing and censoring those

00:46:37.300 who would otherwise destroy their ideas in the open market of ideas.

00:46:41.340 Rumble has been pivotal.

00:46:42.920 You know, it's taking some heat.

00:46:44.360 It's taking some flack.

00:46:45.240 It's taking some massive DDoS attacks, which is always a good sign ideologically.

00:46:50.120 But people are going to soon appreciate how lucky they are to have this alternative to YouTube.

00:46:55.560 If it doesn't take out YouTube, at the very least, maybe it's going to coerce YouTube

00:46:59.020 to go back to its principles of free speech.

00:47:02.380 But, you know, with the exception of illegal, the most egregious stuff.

00:47:06.040 But it's been an amazing journey.

00:47:08.240 It's been amazing to be a part of it.

00:47:10.820 And so, like, you know, I just hope the righteous win this battle in the long run.

00:47:16.240 Well, we're on Rumble because, of course, YouTube, we were on track to make a million bucks a year

00:47:19.760 on YouTube until they demonetized us for the most absurd reason imaginable.

00:47:24.360 But they don't need a reason.

00:47:25.580 They deputized an ambassador to basically be a human version of their website to us

00:47:33.160 just to regurgitate, well, you're not quality content and you've said that.

00:47:38.940 Look, they made a political decision to defund Rebel News and they thought they would kill us

00:47:44.400 and we didn't die because we survived based on our viewers.

00:47:47.780 We're on Rumble.

00:47:48.760 We make some ads on Rumble.

00:47:50.200 And we're grateful that Rumble doesn't censor us.

00:47:53.920 And we're thrilled that Elon Musk did, I think, the most astonishing thing in the history of commerce.

00:47:59.540 Took $44 billion to buy Twitter.

00:48:03.460 I don't – maybe he'll make the economic case for that one day.

00:48:07.000 He wants to turn it into an everything app, a finance app, this app, that.

00:48:11.580 Maybe it'll happen.

00:48:12.300 But for now, it just looks like he actually just wanted to stop it from being used as an FBI, CIA, deep state spy machine filter.

00:48:22.260 I've got my theories.

00:48:23.300 I don't think Elon knew how bad it was when he bought it.

00:48:25.600 I remember when he bought it, I think the biggest problem he thought was that there are too many bots on it.

00:48:29.820 Yeah.

00:48:29.960 I don't think – you know, he bought a car not with a dud of an engine because it's still working.

00:48:34.300 But he – I don't think he had the slightest idea of the depths of the problem and, you know, the degrees of power that it reached.

00:48:42.620 I don't think he knew about the FBI stuff.

00:48:44.500 I don't think he was totally sensitive to the – these demonetization campaigns that these awful entities wage.

00:48:53.200 I guess it was – is it the – I want to say the ADL and these other entities.

00:48:57.380 Media matters.

00:48:57.940 Yeah, the –

00:48:58.380 Media matters.

00:48:58.980 Yep.

00:49:00.020 And so I don't think he was sensitive to how dirty they play.

00:49:02.680 You know, write these bullcrap articles and then go after the advertisers.

00:49:07.960 It was the ADL that wrote the most recent one about far-right extremism on the platform.

00:49:12.520 And they – look at this.

00:49:13.380 They had an ad running next to a neo-Nazi whatever.

00:49:15.780 And they faked it.

00:49:17.020 Oh, well, they faked it in the – it wasn't a doctored image, but they faked it in that they had to game the result.

00:49:22.920 They had to game it so that it produced those results by circumventing or at least finding a way to get around all of the protections that are in place.

00:49:31.820 So people read that article and they say, oh, my goodness, look at this.

00:49:34.560 It ran – they ran a big, big brand ad against a Nazi Twitter handle, not appreciating.

00:49:39.460 In order for them to do that, they had to, like, game the system to achieve a one in 500 million result.

00:49:44.940 And they just highlighted the actual mechanisms in place at Twitter.

00:49:47.960 But I don't think he had any idea how broken it was, how dirty it was, how infiltrated it was.

00:49:54.220 And when he recently said, you know, you think you're going to blackmail me with money?

00:49:57.760 I won't say because I don't want to swear, but go F yourself.

00:50:00.440 And then I said after that Tucker Carlson interview, if he doesn't bring back Alex Jones, and I think he's going to imminently, he doesn't really mean it.

00:50:07.580 And then he brought him back.

00:50:08.280 It's – bringing back Alex Jones was the go F yourself because at the time people were saying he'll never bring back Alex Jones because it's an exposure of liability, you know, profiting from the weaponization of the judicial process.

00:50:20.900 Well, he's told everyone to go F themselves.

00:50:23.760 And I do think long run he's going to succeed and capital – no, what's the word?

00:50:28.180 But that investment is going to pay dividends.

00:50:31.300 And Rumble, you know, is going to continue riding its wave because it never even faltered.

00:50:37.280 Elon faltered a little bit, but he made the right decision in the long run.

00:50:39.920 Rumble never even faltered.

00:50:41.100 Right.

00:50:41.680 Well, and it's exciting that Rumble actually started in Canada, not too far down the street from Rebel News.

00:50:46.260 And they're so big in international success and congratulations.

00:50:50.180 Well, listen, David, it's great to catch up with you.

00:50:52.340 And I love your fighting spirit.

00:50:54.200 And I love that you are at the intersection of freedom and the law.

00:50:57.580 I wish so many more lawyers were.

00:50:59.660 And it's great to catch up with you.

00:51:01.440 And listen.

00:51:02.860 Well, Ezra, I say like people have said since I've moved to Florida, I've been dropping more F-bombs than I ever have on Twitter.

00:51:10.120 Probably right.

00:51:11.280 I've reached, you know, when I've reached the limit, politeness goes so far.

00:51:16.480 And then it takes a little bit of brazenness and a little bit of understanding.

00:51:20.780 So I like to think that I have the good balance, but sometimes I, you know, I recognize I drop one too many F-bombs.

00:51:26.060 But F-it, we're there and the world needs a good, hard shake from the shoulders.

00:51:31.600 Wake the hell up from the slumber.

00:51:33.320 Because if you're sleeping too late, you're going to wake up too late.

00:51:36.780 So Ezra, thank you very much for having me.

00:51:38.940 Well, come on.

00:51:39.480 Thank you for giving so generously of your time.

00:51:42.020 Have a great Christmas break.

00:51:43.280 And we'll see you fighting like hell on the new year.

00:51:45.280 So take care, my friend.

00:51:46.060 Absolutely.

00:51:46.720 Thank you.

00:51:47.160 There you have it.

00:51:47.760 David Freiheit, also known online as Viva Frei.

00:51:50.720 What a pleasure to talk with him.

00:51:52.440 Stay with us.

00:51:53.580 My final thoughts are next.

00:52:03.320 What an interesting guy.

00:52:04.900 And the fact that he moved from Montreal to Florida, I guess a lot of Quebecers go down to Florida.

00:52:09.460 But he didn't go down for the weather.

00:52:12.020 He went down for the freedom.

00:52:13.860 And you mentioned Rumble.com.

00:52:16.040 That's a company that we use as an alternative to YouTube.

00:52:18.840 They really were just not too far down the street from us here in Toronto.

00:52:23.820 They've moved their headquarters to the States, too.

00:52:25.960 Now, a lot of companies go to America when they want to get big, especially tech companies, companies looking for financing, et cetera.

00:52:32.440 But it's also about the freedom.

00:52:34.240 Don't kid yourself.

00:52:35.480 I myself have toyed with the idea of when do we leave?

00:52:39.040 How bad would it have to have gone before we had to get out of Canada?

00:52:42.940 And would it have been too late if we had waited until that moment?

00:52:46.500 Lots of heavy thoughts.

00:52:47.660 But I'm glad he's down there fighting for freedom in his own way as we fight for freedom up here.

00:52:52.420 That's our show for today.

00:52:53.760 Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night.

00:52:58.600 And keep fighting for freedom.

00:52:59.680 We'll see you next time.

Rebel News Podcast - December 27, 2023

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Viva Frei on the downfall of civil liberties： 'It's a world gone upside down.'

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