Rebel News Podcast - November 16, 2021


EZRA LEVANT ｜ What if someone says he’ll punch you in the face, and he won’t cry at your funeral — but then he dies suddenly？


Episode Stats

Length

39 minutes

Words per Minute

161.66576

Word Count

6,399

Sentence Count

401

Misogynist Sentences

1

Hate Speech Sentences

15


Summary

In today s show, I tell you about the unfortunate case of a cardiac physician who suddenly died in his sleep in New Brunswick at the age of 52. And I read the lengthy obituary of him in the CBC, but they didn t say his cause of death.


Transcript

00:00:00.100 Hello, my rebels. In today's podcast, I tell you about the unfortunate case of a cardiac physician, a bit of a hero in the community, who suddenly died in his sleep in New Brunswick at the age of 52.
00:00:12.880 And I read the lengthy obituary of him in the CBC, but they didn't say his cause of death.
00:00:17.340 They just said he died in his sleep, which is not a cause of death.
00:00:22.020 What was his cause of death?
00:00:23.520 I ask a few more questions. I try not to be too, you know, invasive.
00:00:31.000 We don't want to speak ill of the dead, but there are questions I think we ought to ask about the death.
00:00:36.500 I'll take you through that in today's podcast.
00:00:39.820 I'll also show you a few of the good doctor's tweets.
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00:00:52.280 including how healthy this doctor seemed to be.
00:00:55.680 I wonder if it was a vaccine injury. What do you think?
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00:01:20.000 All right, here's today's show.
00:01:21.060 Tonight, what if someone says he'll punch you in the face, and he won't cry at your funeral,
00:01:42.980 but then he dies suddenly?
00:01:45.240 It's November 15th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
00:01:48.000 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:01:53.960 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
00:01:58.020 The only thing I have to say to the government, the wire publisher, is because it's my bloody right to do so.
00:02:03.880 I saw this obituary in the CBC, absolutely glowing.
00:02:15.180 Sounds like he was a wonderful man.
00:02:17.920 Here's the story.
00:02:19.620 Headline is,
00:02:20.440 Dr. Sourab Luchmedial dedicated more than 20 years to the New Brunswick Heart Center.
00:02:36.720 He was only 52 years old, just a couple of years older than I am,
00:02:40.560 and judging by the photos of him, he was in good shape.
00:02:45.500 What on earth could have made him die so suddenly and unexpectedly?
00:02:51.100 The article doesn't actually say, which I find quite odd.
00:02:56.020 A prominent New Brunswick cardiologist has died,
00:02:58.900 leaving behind a large gap in the system and the community, colleagues say.
00:03:03.220 Dr. Sourab Luchmedial dedicated more than 20 years to the New Brunswick Heart Center
00:03:09.640 and the care of patients suffering from heart disease,
00:03:13.340 said a statement from the staff of the New Brunswick Heart Center.
00:03:18.560 It is with profound sadness that we report the sudden and unexpected death of a colleague,
00:03:24.140 friend, father, partner, and inspiring spirit.
00:03:27.700 The statement says,
00:03:28.800 Dying in your sleep is a description of when you died,
00:03:48.000 and I suppose what you were doing when you died,
00:03:50.740 but it is not the cause of death.
00:03:53.520 Sleep is not the cause of death.
00:03:55.220 It's when you died.
00:03:57.320 What happened to make you die?
00:04:01.620 Was the CBC journalist who wrote this glowing obituary not, you know,
00:04:05.140 just a little bit curious?
00:04:07.460 I mean, that is your job.
00:04:10.100 I mean, he wasn't sick.
00:04:11.820 No one saw this coming.
00:04:14.000 Here's what his friend said.
00:04:16.340 It was sudden, unexpected for all of us.
00:04:18.820 He was actually on call yesterday morning,
00:04:21.320 Legare said in an interview.
00:04:22.600 I think all of us are having a hard time just sort of grasping at the size of the loss.
00:04:28.420 We chatted with him on the weekend about plans and things we were going to do, you know,
00:04:33.020 in the next few weeks, few months for the heart center.
00:04:36.040 When someone of a certain age dies suddenly, it's often something terrible that happened.
00:04:41.840 A car accident, even a murder, or God forbid, a suicide.
00:04:46.520 A healthy, fit man of 52 who's a doctor is unlikely to have a deadly heart attack,
00:04:54.280 and they certainly don't say that it was a heart attack.
00:04:57.180 So, why the omission?
00:04:59.940 Why the mystery?
00:05:00.660 I mean, just no curiosity at all here.
00:05:04.820 I don't believe that.
00:05:06.340 I think the reporter must have been curious.
00:05:09.140 She was assigned the story, and it was quite a long story that she wrote.
00:05:14.300 She must have wondered, how did he die?
00:05:17.660 I mean, basic journalism, who, what, where, why, when?
00:05:19.860 So what's the what?
00:05:20.860 What's the how?
00:05:21.660 Well, I simply refuse to believe that any reporter, even a crummy government reporter,
00:05:27.260 like the kind who works for the CBC, would lack that curiosity.
00:05:31.080 I just don't believe it.
00:05:32.700 So it must be left out on purpose.
00:05:35.940 Now, sometimes that happens with a suicide victim.
00:05:38.940 They don't want to embarrass the deceased or his family.
00:05:42.820 I'm pretty sure that is not the case here.
00:05:44.960 The obituary talked about how he had just returned from visiting his daughter in university in Ontario,
00:05:51.100 and how he's making all sorts of plans for things.
00:05:53.900 It sounds sort of upbeat about life, I think.
00:05:58.400 And in fact, I think it's fair to say he was having the time of his life.
00:06:02.440 He was one of those doctors who was obscure until 20 months ago,
00:06:06.200 who then became an internet and TV celebrity by talking about the pandemic
00:06:11.400 and being quoted and respected and listened to in a way that he never was before in his life.
00:06:17.080 He was internet famous, which is not quite TV famous, but it was exciting for him.
00:06:22.880 His Twitter biography is what you'd expect.
00:06:26.920 Multitasking, kick-ass, cardiac, plumber, medical research, maestro, media world, neophyte,
00:06:33.700 and coach of all sorts, master of no sports, he, him, his.
00:06:38.700 Of course, he had his pronouns in his biography, of course.
00:06:41.640 And let me stop for a moment to say the obvious.
00:06:46.540 Unless someone is truly evil, like Fidel Castro or Xi Jinping,
00:06:52.140 I think one ought to not speak ill of the dead.
00:06:56.600 They're not here to defend themselves.
00:06:58.840 Their families and friends are in mourning.
00:07:01.180 So we hold our tongues for them, but we also hold our tongues for ourselves.
00:07:05.760 As John Donne wrote,
00:07:09.300 No man is an island.
00:07:10.980 Any man's death diminishes me because I am involved in mankind.
00:07:16.140 And yet, given the hagiography of that CBC article,
00:07:20.380 given the mystery of his sudden and youthful passing,
00:07:23.200 I think it is appropriate to ask a neutral question,
00:07:28.140 especially to the man who talked so much about the pandemic.
00:07:31.440 Did he die from COVID?
00:07:35.960 Almost certainly not.
00:07:38.240 Okay.
00:07:39.520 Well, did he die, as young men sometimes do,
00:07:43.000 from an injury from the vaccine itself?
00:07:47.840 I'm asking that because we know that the public health establishment
00:07:51.580 counts almost anything as a COVID death,
00:07:54.740 because the measurement is,
00:07:57.260 did you die and did you test positive for COVID
00:08:00.520 within 28 days of your death?
00:08:03.060 So, not did you die from COVID,
00:08:05.280 but did you die with COVID?
00:08:07.680 I mean, the craziest case was
00:08:09.440 like that guy who fell off a ladder and died from that,
00:08:13.260 but they actually counted it as a COVID death.
00:08:16.220 Or that disgraceful public health officer in Alberta,
00:08:20.020 Dina Hinshaw,
00:08:20.900 who claimed that a teenager who died from brain cancer
00:08:24.180 actually died from COVID.
00:08:25.700 Imagine how gross that is.
00:08:27.480 The family was so disgusted by her,
00:08:30.660 they demanded an apology,
00:08:31.900 which she grudgingly gave.
00:08:33.900 Politicians like Hinshaw to use the family's dead child
00:08:37.240 as a talking point.
00:08:38.320 It's the worst.
00:08:40.780 But is it fair to ask,
00:08:42.020 did he die from the vaccine?
00:08:44.440 Not to ask in a voyeuristic way,
00:08:46.920 but can we know,
00:08:48.860 by God,
00:08:49.700 we knew anyone in the public eye who got COVID,
00:08:52.120 didn't we?
00:08:52.500 We know far fewer who actually died from it.
00:08:55.040 Do you know anyone who died from COVID?
00:08:57.040 Just answer me.
00:08:57.720 I mean, yes or no is the answer.
00:08:59.820 And by no,
00:09:00.540 I mean anyone you've talked to in the last five years.
00:09:03.620 I mentioned the other day
00:09:04.740 that a judge in Alberta,
00:09:05.980 when sentencing Arthur Pawlowski for contempt of court,
00:09:08.900 he said,
00:09:09.260 and I'm quoting from his ruling here,
00:09:12.200 he said,
00:09:13.600 today,
00:09:14.620 virtually everybody in Alberta
00:09:16.240 knows at least one person who has died from COVID.
00:09:19.520 Yeah, no, no.
00:09:20.680 There's four and a half million Albertans.
00:09:22.520 About 3,000 have died with COVID.
00:09:24.960 Average age, 80.
00:09:26.620 So one in 1,500 people has died in the province.
00:09:30.520 Do you even know 1,500 people?
00:09:32.200 I doubt you do,
00:09:33.480 if knowing means anything meaningful.
00:09:35.520 That judge,
00:09:36.600 Adam Germain,
00:09:37.460 is atrocious.
00:09:38.740 And he was issuing a ruling
00:09:40.320 based on his own fears and paranoia,
00:09:42.960 not on evidence.
00:09:44.080 It is not a fact that everyone knows someone who died.
00:09:46.800 This is not the Black Death.
00:09:47.940 But back to the late Dr. Lutz Medial.
00:09:52.000 He had a lot to say,
00:09:54.100 like this,
00:09:56.380 wear your damn mask.
00:09:58.900 Okay, doctor.
00:10:00.540 We need to start calling them antibody guns,
00:10:04.080 and Americans will start getting lining up for vaccines.
00:10:09.460 Those stupid Americans call it guns,
00:10:12.140 and they'll get them.
00:10:12.940 And he said this,
00:10:16.500 I think all of us would treat that unvaxxed patient with respect
00:10:19.720 and to the best of our abilities,
00:10:21.220 but the people that convince them not to get vaxxed,
00:10:24.540 I want to punch those people in the face.
00:10:29.180 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:10:31.460 That's not the kind of talk I'm used to hearing from a doctor.
00:10:35.020 Violence?
00:10:36.240 That's weird.
00:10:38.060 I wonder what it was like at work,
00:10:40.100 if you dared to disagree with them.
00:10:41.600 Or this one from the late doctor.
00:10:45.980 The collective argument to protect those who cannot get the vaccine,
00:10:49.700 who want protection,
00:10:51.000 immune compromised,
00:10:52.600 the very young,
00:10:53.620 the homeless,
00:10:54.220 and disenfranchised,
00:10:55.300 for those that won't get the shot for selfish reasons,
00:10:58.460 whatever,
00:10:59.560 I won't cry at their funeral.
00:11:02.740 Hey, by the way,
00:11:03.520 what's a selfish reason?
00:11:04.660 Aren't all medical procedures about yourself?
00:11:08.920 I mean,
00:11:09.340 that's how we do it, right?
00:11:11.000 Everyone makes decisions for themselves based on what's right for themselves.
00:11:15.260 It's not a group decision.
00:11:17.040 It's a personal decision.
00:11:18.960 A doctor can give advice,
00:11:20.580 but each patient has the right to choose to accept it or not.
00:11:23.860 So isn't every medical decision actually selfish by nature,
00:11:28.240 since you're deciding what's best for yourself?
00:11:31.820 Isn't that what we're all supposed to be doing?
00:11:35.460 And how does my vaccine choice have anything to do with your safety?
00:11:39.200 Doesn't your vaccine protect you?
00:11:42.160 Well, that's the thing.
00:11:43.240 We're finding out that these vaccines don't, in fact, protect you.
00:11:47.460 Here's the vaccine billionaire, Bill Gates.
00:11:50.540 You know, we didn't have vaccines that block transmission.
00:11:53.900 We got vaccines that help you with your health,
00:11:56.380 but they only slightly reduce the transmissions.
00:11:58.640 We need a new way of doing the vaccines.
00:12:01.540 We didn't get much in the way of therapeutics.
00:12:03.920 Yikes.
00:12:04.560 They don't really work as vaccines, eh?
00:12:06.400 Here's Anthony Fauci himself.
00:12:08.660 We're starting to see
00:12:11.200 waning immunity against infection
00:12:14.460 and waning immunity in the beginning aspect
00:12:18.620 against hospitalization.
00:12:21.220 And if you look at Israel,
00:12:22.980 which has always been a month to a month and a half
00:12:27.120 ahead of us in the dynamics of the outbreak,
00:12:30.860 in their vaccine response,
00:12:33.380 and in every other element of the outbreak,
00:12:36.200 they are seeing a waning of immunity,
00:12:39.640 not only against infection,
00:12:41.560 but against hospitalizations
00:12:44.360 and to some extent death,
00:12:46.680 which is starting to now involve all age groups.
00:12:50.740 It isn't just the elderly.
00:12:53.060 So they're not really vaccines.
00:12:55.860 The Johnson & Johnson one
00:12:57.520 falls to just 3% effectiveness.
00:13:00.580 After six months, what even is that?
00:13:03.380 But look, it holds either way.
00:13:04.720 If vaccines are really great,
00:13:07.440 then if you take one,
00:13:08.640 then whether I take one or not,
00:13:09.880 it doesn't really matter, right?
00:13:10.840 And if vaccines aren't great,
00:13:12.400 if they don't really work at all,
00:13:14.500 then if vaccines are not great,
00:13:15.940 then if you take one,
00:13:17.180 then whether or not I take one
00:13:18.200 doesn't really matter either, does it?
00:13:22.160 For those that won't get the shot
00:13:24.800 for selfish reasons, whatever,
00:13:26.280 I won't cry at their funeral.
00:13:30.760 That is rough talk from a doctor, isn't it?
00:13:34.300 First, he wants to punch people in the face
00:13:36.340 who disagree with him.
00:13:37.320 Then he won't cry at people's funeral
00:13:39.020 if they don't make the decision he does.
00:13:42.920 I'm not really looking for him
00:13:45.260 to cry at anyone's funeral
00:13:46.560 unless you truly have an emotional connection
00:13:49.180 to someone.
00:13:49.640 I think that would be maudlin.
00:13:52.820 But he's not really talking about
00:13:54.000 whether or not he would cry
00:13:54.980 at some stranger's funeral.
00:13:56.580 He's really saying,
00:13:57.760 I don't care if they live or die.
00:13:59.680 That's really what he means
00:14:00.720 because, of course,
00:14:01.280 he wouldn't cry at their funeral.
00:14:03.940 So that is the late Dr. Saurab Lutchmediel.
00:14:09.420 CBC says he's an inspiring spirit
00:14:12.400 who died suddenly.
00:14:14.980 I'm not happy that he died.
00:14:16.340 I wish he had lived.
00:14:18.380 I disagree with him,
00:14:19.560 but I don't want to punch him in the face.
00:14:21.160 I think it's fine to have an obituary about someone
00:14:25.360 and not mention how nasty they were
00:14:28.640 in the public square.
00:14:29.860 Obituaries can be nice.
00:14:31.860 Though that's not really news journalism
00:14:33.380 as the CBC pretends it was, right?
00:14:36.840 But I am still curious, aren't you?
00:14:41.120 So did he die from a vaccine injury or not?
00:14:45.800 Stay with us for more.
00:14:46.900 Death by socialism?
00:15:01.020 How can I call this show that?
00:15:02.680 To many people,
00:15:03.820 socialism is just good,
00:15:05.720 more fair,
00:15:06.680 more equal than our ruthless system.
00:15:09.600 The word socialist, after all,
00:15:11.040 is derived from society.
00:15:12.500 It suggests we're all in this together.
00:15:14.700 Bernie Sanders calls himself
00:15:16.800 a democratic socialist,
00:15:18.460 and he almost won the democratic nomination
00:15:20.240 by promising socialist benefits.
00:15:23.700 This campaign is about moving the United States
00:15:28.120 toward universal health care.
00:15:31.220 At this pro-Sanders event,
00:15:32.840 his supporters carry red flags.
00:15:35.260 Red, because that's the color of socialism
00:15:37.060 and communism.
00:15:38.720 Don't these people know history?
00:15:40.180 The Soviet Union murdered millions of people.
00:15:45.620 Well, that is one of America's most interesting
00:15:48.040 and most independent journalists.
00:15:51.240 John Stossel, he's really done it all.
00:15:53.800 ABC, Fox Business,
00:15:55.880 and incredibly, he will be one of our keynote guests
00:16:01.120 in two days, Wednesday, November 17th,
00:16:04.640 at a special town hall
00:16:06.840 to talk about civil liberties
00:16:08.740 and the crisis we're in.
00:16:10.660 This is a series of town halls.
00:16:12.380 We've had the first with Tucker Carlson,
00:16:14.300 the second with Glenn Beck,
00:16:15.800 the third John Stossel.
00:16:17.120 But really,
00:16:18.520 I gotta tell you,
00:16:19.440 the star of the last event,
00:16:20.820 I like Glenn Beck plenty.
00:16:23.940 But oh my gosh,
00:16:25.580 Dr. Julie Panessi
00:16:27.100 and her video from that night,
00:16:29.560 look at this,
00:16:30.060 it's been seen nearly 200,000 times on YouTube.
00:16:35.720 And Dr. Julie joins us now via Skype
00:16:39.040 from London, Ontario.
00:16:40.460 Dr. Julie,
00:16:41.420 I don't know if you know that,
00:16:42.720 but your speech at the last town hall
00:16:45.040 has been seen just about 200,000 times on YouTube.
00:16:48.260 Did you know that?
00:16:49.980 Well, I knew it was climbing,
00:16:51.700 but I didn't know we'd got to that number.
00:16:53.380 That's amazing.
00:16:54.840 Well, you know what?
00:16:55.800 There's a reason for that.
00:16:56.980 You have a very rare combination of heart and head.
00:17:01.500 And what I mean by that is you're logical,
00:17:03.380 you're smart,
00:17:03.980 you take people through the ethics of decision-making
00:17:07.520 in the era of the pandemic,
00:17:08.580 but you don't get dry and professorial.
00:17:11.260 You speak from the heart too.
00:17:12.320 And I think it's because
00:17:13.160 of what you personally experienced.
00:17:15.240 I'm just so proud
00:17:16.280 that you're the pandemic ethics scholar
00:17:19.900 of the Democracy Fund.
00:17:21.220 You're going to be speaking on Wednesday night too.
00:17:23.260 Am I right?
00:17:24.700 That's right.
00:17:25.380 Well, I look forward to what you're going to say.
00:17:28.060 Is it going to be similar
00:17:29.780 to your remarks at the last time?
00:17:31.060 Are you going to talk about
00:17:31.800 anything in particular this time?
00:17:34.540 Well, one of the things
00:17:35.740 that I'm planning on talking about
00:17:37.500 is you mentioned civil liberties.
00:17:39.980 So freedom and whether or not
00:17:42.080 we are very good judges
00:17:44.160 of whether or not we're free,
00:17:46.320 whether or not it's possible to be wrong
00:17:49.080 about whether or not we're free.
00:17:51.340 And so I plan to ask people in the audience
00:17:53.820 how free they feel
00:17:55.400 because I think that's a really
00:17:57.060 important question these days.
00:17:58.560 And, you know, questions like
00:17:59.920 how can we know if we are free?
00:18:02.200 What are some signs
00:18:03.280 that our freedoms might be slipping?
00:18:05.080 And then ultimately,
00:18:06.460 to be a bit hopeful,
00:18:07.980 to offer some hope,
00:18:09.060 what can we do
00:18:10.000 if we think that they're slipping away
00:18:11.820 and we want to get some traction
00:18:13.640 on what we've lost
00:18:14.760 and what we're losing?
00:18:16.340 Yeah.
00:18:16.780 You know, I want to throw an idea at you.
00:18:18.340 I remember when I first discovered
00:18:19.580 a phrase in economics
00:18:20.900 called hedonic adaptation.
00:18:24.020 I thought, what on earth does that mean?
00:18:25.520 And it was an idea where,
00:18:26.820 let's say you make $50,000 at a job
00:18:29.440 and you get a raise to $60,000.
00:18:32.860 That's a huge raise, 20% raise.
00:18:35.880 And it's the best feeling in the world.
00:18:38.780 And all of a sudden,
00:18:40.560 you can pay off some bills
00:18:41.520 and you can maybe get a nicer car
00:18:43.420 and go a slightly nicer vacation.
00:18:44.860 But within six months,
00:18:47.680 that $60,000 a year
00:18:49.280 is now your new normal.
00:18:51.020 And you can't go backwards.
00:18:53.440 And you've adapted your expectations.
00:18:57.500 That is now your baseline.
00:18:59.420 What was once luxury to you
00:19:01.360 is now normal.
00:19:02.720 And the phrase I've heard for that
00:19:04.360 is hedonic adaptation.
00:19:05.760 I think that that concept
00:19:09.360 applies to a lot of things.
00:19:11.620 The idea that the government
00:19:13.120 can tell you where you can go,
00:19:15.120 when you can go,
00:19:15.800 you have to put a mask on.
00:19:17.380 The idea that other people
00:19:19.140 can scold you,
00:19:20.320 demand you for your most private
00:19:21.680 and intimate health information.
00:19:24.760 I don't know what the word would be
00:19:26.340 to adapt to that.
00:19:27.280 It's the opposite of hedonic.
00:19:28.500 It would be authoritarian adaptation
00:19:30.160 that we're just used to.
00:19:31.560 We're used to having a bouncer
00:19:34.200 at every restaurant or shop.
00:19:36.820 It's really like a bouncer
00:19:37.740 who asks you invasive questions.
00:19:40.660 And we're used to that now, aren't we?
00:19:41.840 What else I think we're really used to
00:19:44.500 is that we have lived incredibly well
00:19:47.000 for a very long time in Canada.
00:19:50.160 And I'm not sure we have any sense
00:19:53.980 of what it would feel like
00:19:55.980 to lose many things
00:19:57.980 that are incredibly important to us.
00:19:59.840 And I don't mean material things.
00:20:02.340 I don't even really mean
00:20:03.500 relationships in our lives.
00:20:05.500 But the things that make our lives possible
00:20:08.440 from a democratic point of view,
00:20:10.800 the very basic structures of society,
00:20:13.760 what our relationship between ourselves
00:20:16.460 as citizens and our government looks like,
00:20:18.720 what our relationship
00:20:19.880 with fellow citizens looks like.
00:20:21.780 Do we have obligations to other people?
00:20:23.980 And what do those look like?
00:20:25.040 I think now we're seeing that,
00:20:27.380 you know, this pandemic situation
00:20:29.320 is putting our feet to the fire.
00:20:31.580 It's showing us what we're really made of.
00:20:34.100 It's showing us how strong
00:20:36.600 our democratic ties have been.
00:20:39.500 And the news isn't good.
00:20:40.980 We are not good at, you know,
00:20:42.780 I mean, our government is focusing hard
00:20:45.220 on molding us to shame each other,
00:20:50.260 hate each other,
00:20:51.260 see the other as other,
00:20:53.680 ostracize each other,
00:20:54.920 and perhaps the worst of all,
00:20:57.440 dismiss and ignore and cancel the other.
00:21:00.300 And we are exceeding at those things miraculously.
00:21:04.220 We are A plus students at those things.
00:21:07.220 And we need to put the brakes on for a little bit
00:21:10.640 and stop and think about where our country came from,
00:21:14.120 why we were the envy of the world for so long,
00:21:18.380 why we should in some sense be shameful
00:21:21.400 of our democracy and, you know,
00:21:23.100 and how to get it back again.
00:21:24.720 Yeah.
00:21:25.500 I mean, so many rules are published
00:21:27.760 by these previously unknown, anonymous,
00:21:30.880 unaccountable, perpetual, deep state
00:21:33.340 public health bureaucrats.
00:21:35.180 I use the word deep state
00:21:36.140 because where did they come from?
00:21:37.620 They're not going anywhere.
00:21:39.160 They seem to scoff at the idea of oversight.
00:21:43.080 In fact, you hear things
00:21:44.420 like the president of Pfizer saying
00:21:46.120 to criticize us ought to be criminal.
00:21:49.020 Who the hell are you?
00:21:50.140 I mean, when was the last time
00:21:51.260 we had a parliamentary debate?
00:21:53.420 Like a true back and forth
00:21:55.140 differences of opinion debate.
00:21:56.740 None of these things are lost.
00:21:59.540 They're all health orders,
00:22:00.900 whatever that means.
00:22:02.040 They're not even emanating from the parliament.
00:22:04.380 We're in a parliamentary debate,
00:22:06.060 a town hall, a citizens assembly, anything.
00:22:10.160 When was the last time we had any of those things?
00:22:12.820 You know, and it's funny,
00:22:14.500 I was mentioning earlier, you know,
00:22:16.260 economic success, material success.
00:22:19.460 And I think there's a numbness.
00:22:21.080 As long as you've got your Netflix
00:22:22.760 or your Disney Plus at home
00:22:25.740 and you can order food delivered to you at home,
00:22:29.560 well, you're fine.
00:22:30.420 Those are the important things.
00:22:31.540 Are you watching the new TV show,
00:22:33.900 the latest TV show?
00:22:35.220 And are you eating pizza at home?
00:22:36.700 You're fine.
00:22:37.560 That other stuff,
00:22:38.360 let the smart people take care
00:22:40.020 of those decisions for you.
00:22:41.800 Do you think people are waking up, Dr. Julie?
00:22:46.900 I don't know.
00:22:48.680 More and more all the time, certainly.
00:22:51.640 You know, and psychologists I've spoken with
00:22:54.960 have theories about, you know,
00:22:56.700 what percentage of the people
00:22:58.160 are sort of on the edge.
00:23:00.720 And, you know, Julius Ruchel,
00:23:02.720 the brilliant public scholar and historian,
00:23:05.740 thinks that we see vaccine regret, for example,
00:23:10.440 among a certain percentage of the population,
00:23:12.640 because when they give in and get the vaccine,
00:23:16.300 their fear subsides, sort of dissolves,
00:23:19.180 and then they're able to think clearly
00:23:20.340 and rationally and realize
00:23:22.040 that there wasn't really good reason
00:23:23.800 or evidence for doing it, you know?
00:23:25.060 So there's a certain percentage of the population
00:23:26.860 that I think we are seeing,
00:23:28.740 feel that the government has asked too much.
00:23:30.760 You know, they did their thing,
00:23:31.740 they masked, they distanced,
00:23:33.080 they got their double doses,
00:23:34.380 and then they want to be let off the hook
00:23:36.260 and left alone.
00:23:37.680 And they're seeing that there's a kind of betrayal
00:23:39.540 on the part of the government now,
00:23:40.940 and there's this sort of moving goalpost.
00:23:42.940 We're talking about third boosters
00:23:44.260 where we're not seeing discussions
00:23:46.220 about an alleviation of the lockdowns.
00:23:48.420 So is this goalpost moving,
00:23:50.740 or is it invisible,
00:23:52.380 or was it non-existent to begin with?
00:23:55.080 But to be quite honest with you,
00:23:56.460 I think there's a very large percentage
00:23:58.320 of the Canadian population
00:24:00.180 that feels an incredible amount of security
00:24:03.360 from our government,
00:24:04.380 and feels as though as long as they comply,
00:24:08.020 they will be safe,
00:24:09.160 they will be protected.
00:24:10.440 It's very unclear to me
00:24:11.860 what kind of historical precedent
00:24:13.260 we have for that kind of trust.
00:24:16.520 And I can't even hypothesize
00:24:19.020 what that might be.
00:24:19.800 I'm not imaginative enough
00:24:21.240 to be able to think of past examples
00:24:24.100 to show when our government
00:24:25.680 earned that trust.
00:24:28.260 But I think that will be
00:24:30.080 the last group to fall
00:24:31.980 if indeed it ever does fall.
00:24:33.700 There will be, I think,
00:24:35.860 an incredible amount
00:24:36.920 of cognitive dissonance
00:24:38.160 over the coming months
00:24:39.920 and year or maybe years
00:24:42.580 when the evidence
00:24:44.920 looks to be even more inconsistent
00:24:48.100 with public health directives
00:24:50.180 than it already has been.
00:24:52.040 You know, a good example of this,
00:24:53.340 I was driving through Toronto
00:24:54.440 about a week ago
00:24:55.720 and the electronic signs
00:24:56.760 over the highway
00:24:57.520 say something like,
00:24:59.180 keep yourself safe,
00:25:00.880 protect transmission,
00:25:02.340 get the vaccine.
00:25:03.560 Well, the director of the CDC
00:25:05.300 and even Dr. Fauci
00:25:07.240 have stated that the COVID vaccines
00:25:09.020 can't prevent transmission.
00:25:10.300 So that kind of inconsistency
00:25:13.560 between evidence and policy
00:25:15.340 is going to create
00:25:16.900 a sort of dissonance
00:25:18.300 or a difficulty
00:25:19.300 in reconciling
00:25:20.520 these two sets of facts
00:25:21.860 for some people,
00:25:22.820 but not for all, I think.
00:25:24.140 You know, it's incredible.
00:25:26.380 People say,
00:25:27.400 there used to be this phrase,
00:25:29.140 God wins law.
00:25:30.020 Whoever invokes Nazis first
00:25:32.360 loses the argument
00:25:33.860 because it was a sign
00:25:35.000 of desperation
00:25:36.380 and ad hominem
00:25:37.480 and you're reaching for the
00:25:38.520 everyone I don't like
00:25:39.980 is Hitler button
00:25:40.920 because you're out of ideas.
00:25:43.380 But what happens
00:25:44.400 if you actually have ideas,
00:25:47.080 authoritarian ideas,
00:25:48.120 public health ideas,
00:25:49.160 mandatory medical procedure ideas
00:25:50.740 that actually the last
00:25:52.840 horrific practitioner of them
00:25:54.540 was Hitler.
00:25:56.100 And I refer, of course,
00:25:57.100 to Dr. Joseph Mengele
00:25:58.220 and the horrific experiments
00:26:00.140 he did on people
00:26:02.460 in the death camps.
00:26:05.600 I won't even describe them.
00:26:06.920 They're too terrible even to say.
00:26:08.860 That's where we got
00:26:09.900 our medical ethics code.
00:26:11.640 And to see now
00:26:13.120 a government official in Austria
00:26:14.920 lock down the unclean
00:26:18.300 and say that they are,
00:26:21.140 quote, the angels of death.
00:26:22.800 That was Dr. Mengele's nickname
00:26:25.620 in the death camps.
00:26:26.860 He was the angel of death
00:26:28.140 for an Austrian politician
00:26:30.280 80 years after Hitler
00:26:33.420 to not only impose
00:26:35.800 forced medical procedures
00:26:37.640 on people,
00:26:38.220 but to call the victims
00:26:40.460 Nazi-like.
00:26:42.560 That's when you're drawing
00:26:43.680 upon that word,
00:26:45.540 the angel of death,
00:26:46.280 is a level of gaslighting
00:26:49.620 and amorality
00:26:51.500 I have never in my life
00:26:53.620 seen before.
00:26:55.300 And yes,
00:26:56.400 that is Hitler-like.
00:26:59.060 You know what, Ezra?
00:27:00.360 We have just got to get over
00:27:01.640 this idea
00:27:02.320 that some examples
00:27:03.720 from the past,
00:27:04.540 some parts of our history
00:27:05.520 are off limits.
00:27:06.820 Because, I mean,
00:27:07.800 I think the motivation,
00:27:09.040 the implicit reasoning
00:27:10.040 behind those
00:27:11.080 who say you can't compare
00:27:12.200 what's going on now
00:27:13.280 to what happened,
00:27:14.760 you know,
00:27:14.960 with the Nazi eugenics movement
00:27:16.260 or the Holocaust,
00:27:17.420 you know,
00:27:17.900 more generally.
00:27:18.980 I think the implicit reasoning
00:27:20.040 there is that,
00:27:20.740 well, wait,
00:27:21.040 this is a poor argument
00:27:22.140 from analogy
00:27:22.820 because what we're seeing
00:27:24.360 happening now
00:27:25.200 is just not enough
00:27:26.280 like what happened then.
00:27:27.980 But for an argument
00:27:29.380 from analogy to work,
00:27:30.460 you need to have
00:27:31.320 a sufficient number
00:27:32.660 of points of comparison
00:27:33.640 between the two analogs.
00:27:35.480 And I think it's
00:27:36.880 in principle possible
00:27:38.240 that we have that now.
00:27:39.740 You know,
00:27:39.920 we have a kind
00:27:41.560 of unwilling,
00:27:42.700 you know,
00:27:43.100 a sort of unknowing,
00:27:44.600 compliant public.
00:27:45.640 We have nonsensical
00:27:49.000 government directives
00:27:50.740 that want to create
00:27:52.940 their own narrative.
00:27:53.940 I mean,
00:27:54.120 our mainstream journalism
00:27:55.820 now wants to create
00:27:57.800 a narrative
00:27:58.180 and have facts
00:27:59.420 fit that narrative
00:28:00.260 as opposed to creating
00:28:01.840 a narrative
00:28:02.260 out of the facts
00:28:03.260 by following them
00:28:04.100 to their logical conclusion.
00:28:05.480 I think we've been
00:28:05.980 seeing that for,
00:28:06.860 you know,
00:28:08.260 a decade or two
00:28:08.940 or maybe three by now,
00:28:10.600 you know,
00:28:11.040 we are nothing
00:28:12.940 if not informed
00:28:14.680 by our past.
00:28:15.740 If we forget
00:28:17.100 where we've come from,
00:28:18.240 if we forget,
00:28:19.220 I mean,
00:28:19.380 as horrible as it is
00:28:20.320 to think of,
00:28:20.860 you mentioned
00:28:21.260 the medical experiments
00:28:22.340 of the Nazis,
00:28:23.180 as horrible as it is
00:28:24.220 to think of,
00:28:25.600 we don't have the luxury
00:28:26.900 of not having
00:28:28.540 that historical moment
00:28:31.040 at the forefront
00:28:31.760 of our mind,
00:28:33.100 the forefront
00:28:33.640 of humanity's mind
00:28:34.820 with every step
00:28:36.060 moving forward
00:28:36.980 for the rest
00:28:37.720 of eternity
00:28:38.380 because that reminds us,
00:28:41.060 that gives us humility.
00:28:42.120 It helps us
00:28:43.740 to stay
00:28:44.340 on a better path,
00:28:45.980 right?
00:28:46.740 And so,
00:28:47.680 to dismiss
00:28:48.520 that argument,
00:28:49.820 to say that
00:28:50.600 we can't talk
00:28:52.560 about the Holocaust
00:28:53.760 anymore,
00:28:54.520 we can't talk
00:28:55.400 about not just,
00:28:57.420 you know,
00:28:57.700 what disturbs me
00:28:58.340 about that,
00:28:59.120 what disturbs me now
00:29:00.340 is not that
00:29:01.560 we would have
00:29:02.460 some kind of
00:29:03.140 authoritarian government
00:29:04.300 or more specifically
00:29:05.640 public health officials,
00:29:06.640 but that we would
00:29:07.700 have a public
00:29:08.500 so compliant
00:29:09.920 that we come
00:29:11.080 to believe
00:29:11.740 that what we are
00:29:12.940 doing is good
00:29:14.000 and virtuous
00:29:14.780 and pure
00:29:15.580 and clean.
00:29:16.200 We mentioned
00:29:16.580 that kind of language
00:29:17.380 in the context
00:29:18.100 of the Austrian
00:29:18.820 lockdown situation
00:29:20.300 and this sort of
00:29:21.400 purity culture
00:29:22.240 is tied to
00:29:23.160 cancel culture
00:29:23.980 and we have
00:29:25.220 done this
00:29:25.900 for the whole
00:29:26.520 history of humankind
00:29:27.620 and we're not
00:29:29.020 just talking
00:29:29.520 about physical
00:29:30.160 kinds of purity,
00:29:31.060 right?
00:29:31.780 We're talking
00:29:32.260 about moral,
00:29:34.600 psychic kinds
00:29:36.200 of purity
00:29:37.060 and we don't
00:29:37.940 want unclean ideas,
00:29:40.860 the wrong kinds
00:29:41.840 of ideas
00:29:42.380 to infiltrate
00:29:43.700 and infect us.
00:29:44.920 We don't want
00:29:45.320 the wrong,
00:29:46.260 the dirty kinds
00:29:47.360 of people,
00:29:48.100 you know?
00:29:48.380 I mean,
00:29:48.640 this is Jim Crow
00:29:49.380 language and all
00:29:50.840 over again.
00:29:51.280 There's another
00:29:51.860 analogy that nobody
00:29:52.960 wants to allow
00:29:53.880 but the kind
00:29:55.440 of discrimination,
00:29:56.520 the kind
00:29:57.080 of non-discrimination
00:29:58.820 that we're seeing
00:30:01.580 now is incredibly
00:30:02.420 reminiscent
00:30:02.940 and history
00:30:04.280 is our ally.
00:30:05.880 If we close
00:30:06.900 ourselves off
00:30:07.740 to it,
00:30:08.220 we don't do
00:30:09.040 ourselves,
00:30:10.280 our children,
00:30:11.580 the future
00:30:12.020 of humanity
00:30:12.560 any favors.
00:30:14.360 Wow.
00:30:14.980 Well, I can
00:30:15.420 hardly wait
00:30:15.880 until your remarks
00:30:16.620 on Wednesday.
00:30:17.860 For those who
00:30:18.380 want tickets,
00:30:19.000 you can go to
00:30:20.020 thedemocracyfund.ca
00:30:22.760 and we'll put
00:30:23.380 that link
00:30:24.400 below the video,
00:30:25.240 thedemocracyfund.ca.
00:30:26.820 There's two ways
00:30:27.660 to participate.
00:30:28.380 One is to attend
00:30:29.140 in person.
00:30:30.280 It's about half
00:30:31.020 an hour east
00:30:31.600 of Toronto
00:30:32.080 in the town
00:30:32.480 of Whitby
00:30:33.000 where our last
00:30:34.460 two events
00:30:34.900 have been.
00:30:35.100 It's really fun
00:30:35.860 to go in person
00:30:36.660 just to be
00:30:37.260 with normal
00:30:38.300 human contact
00:30:39.620 again.
00:30:40.320 But for those
00:30:41.020 who can't make
00:30:42.040 it or are far
00:30:42.860 away,
00:30:43.760 you can actually
00:30:44.560 watch the whole
00:30:45.240 thing.
00:30:45.400 You can get
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00:30:57.000 in person.
00:30:57.680 I'll be there.
00:30:58.340 Dr. Julie will
00:30:59.040 be there in person
00:30:59.680 or join by Zoom
00:31:01.160 and that's how
00:31:01.680 John Stossel
00:31:02.500 will join.
00:31:03.800 So I can hardly
00:31:04.700 wait to see folks
00:31:05.480 there.
00:31:05.740 Last point,
00:31:07.220 I know that
00:31:08.600 you are working
00:31:09.560 on a very special
00:31:10.640 project and we're
00:31:11.360 not ready to
00:31:11.940 announce it yet,
00:31:13.020 but give folks
00:31:14.000 a little teaser.
00:31:14.920 What have you been
00:31:15.460 up to these last
00:31:16.220 weeks?
00:31:16.580 Working very,
00:31:19.120 very hard at
00:31:20.360 a little book
00:31:21.120 and, you know,
00:31:23.620 this book is
00:31:24.260 going to partly
00:31:25.600 tell my story,
00:31:27.860 how the pandemic
00:31:29.420 response has
00:31:30.300 impacted me,
00:31:31.400 but I think much
00:31:32.600 more importantly
00:31:33.720 than that,
00:31:34.820 it's intended to
00:31:36.080 be a conversation
00:31:37.340 opener, a way
00:31:38.860 to, you know,
00:31:40.140 crack the narrative
00:31:41.180 and open up the
00:31:42.300 kind of dialogue
00:31:42.940 that I think we
00:31:43.600 should have seen
00:31:44.220 all along.
00:31:44.880 In it, I talk
00:31:46.640 about, you know,
00:31:47.600 how we got here,
00:31:49.200 what some of the
00:31:50.040 ethical problems
00:31:50.840 with the pandemic
00:31:51.480 response are,
00:31:52.620 and what kind of
00:31:53.860 hope we can have
00:31:54.600 for the future
00:31:55.240 and how we can
00:31:56.580 correct this
00:31:57.520 misstep and set
00:31:58.940 things up for
00:31:59.620 a more promising
00:32:00.600 future for ourselves
00:32:02.060 and our children.
00:32:03.260 Well, I can hardly
00:32:04.080 wait and when that
00:32:05.080 book is ready,
00:32:06.060 please come back
00:32:06.820 on the show and
00:32:07.780 I just know that
00:32:09.660 so many of our
00:32:10.380 viewers would love
00:32:11.280 to hear about the
00:32:11.820 book, would love
00:32:12.240 to buy the book.
00:32:14.000 I'm one of them.
00:32:14.880 And, you know,
00:32:16.420 it sounds like a
00:32:16.940 great Christmas
00:32:17.660 gift, too.
00:32:18.220 I just, I'm so
00:32:19.340 glad you're doing
00:32:20.200 that book and I
00:32:21.560 can't wait for it
00:32:22.280 to be ready.
00:32:22.700 I understand that
00:32:23.480 it will be ready,
00:32:26.620 in fact, for
00:32:27.100 Christmas.
00:32:27.480 Is that right?
00:32:28.260 It should be.
00:32:29.220 It's been a
00:32:29.620 tight, tight
00:32:30.200 timeline, but lots
00:32:32.260 of work, lots of
00:32:33.100 thought is going
00:32:33.680 into it.
00:32:34.160 I think it's
00:32:34.520 really important.
00:32:35.820 Well, congratulations.
00:32:36.840 I look forward to
00:32:37.380 seeing you on
00:32:37.840 Wednesday, folks.
00:32:39.120 You can join
00:32:39.880 whether or not
00:32:40.360 you're in the
00:32:40.780 greater Toronto
00:32:41.320 area.
00:32:41.680 Go to
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00:32:43.180 and get the
00:32:44.240 tickets that way.
00:32:44.960 Dr. Julie, keep
00:32:45.680 up the fight.
00:32:46.400 I am so proud as
00:32:48.360 a Canadian to hear
00:32:50.000 you say what you're
00:32:51.040 saying because we
00:32:53.400 need so many more
00:32:54.200 people.
00:32:54.400 And the fact that
00:32:55.760 your video at the
00:32:56.980 last town hall has
00:32:58.180 nearly 200,000 views
00:32:59.380 tells me you are
00:33:01.000 filling a void with
00:33:02.600 a combination of
00:33:03.440 smarts and empathy,
00:33:04.880 and I'm just so
00:33:06.040 grateful to you.
00:33:06.620 Thank you for that.
00:33:08.200 Thanks, Ezra.
00:33:08.920 I think people are
00:33:09.540 really thirsty, and
00:33:10.700 they should be.
00:33:11.480 It's reasonable for
00:33:12.220 them to be thirsty,
00:33:13.080 and we need to
00:33:13.560 offer some ideas and
00:33:14.780 some ways to start
00:33:15.740 thinking through, to
00:33:17.720 be honest, the mess
00:33:18.500 that we're in.
00:33:19.700 Well, I know you're
00:33:20.900 helping lead the way
00:33:21.880 with that.
00:33:22.320 There you have it,
00:33:22.780 Dr. Julie Panazzi,
00:33:24.060 the pandemic ethics
00:33:25.180 scholar of the
00:33:26.620 Democracy Fund.
00:33:27.300 She will be one of
00:33:28.120 the keynote speakers
00:33:28.860 on Wednesday.
00:33:30.220 Get your tickets
00:33:30.840 at thedemocracyfund.ca.
00:33:32.980 Stay with us.
00:33:33.500 More ahead.
00:33:37.280 Hey, welcome back.
00:33:50.680 Your viewer
00:33:51.020 feedback, a viewer
00:33:52.700 named Snidey, I'm
00:33:53.940 guessing that's just
00:33:55.100 a nickname, says,
00:33:56.220 of course, the union
00:33:57.780 should be grieving
00:33:58.400 this gross attack on
00:33:59.600 workers' rights.
00:34:00.800 That's what unions
00:34:01.540 are supposed to be
00:34:02.500 for.
00:34:03.920 Yeah, I mean, that's
00:34:04.400 the whole idea of
00:34:04.940 collective bargaining
00:34:05.600 is that by banding
00:34:06.440 together, you're
00:34:07.260 you have more
00:34:07.720 strength, a bargaining
00:34:09.340 strength.
00:34:09.820 If you have one boss,
00:34:11.700 one factory, one Air
00:34:13.580 Canada airline, and
00:34:14.660 hundreds of individual
00:34:15.920 staff, of course, they
00:34:16.740 can be picked off one
00:34:17.480 at a time.
00:34:18.120 But imagine if they
00:34:18.960 actually banded together
00:34:19.860 and say, no, you're
00:34:20.960 not going to pick on
00:34:21.620 him today.
00:34:22.240 You're not going to
00:34:22.700 pick on her today.
00:34:23.880 Isn't that the whole
00:34:24.520 purpose of a union?
00:34:25.880 It's that one
00:34:26.300 uniform guy said, if
00:34:29.100 there's no difference
00:34:30.300 between what the
00:34:30.920 company says and what
00:34:31.760 the union says, one of
00:34:33.100 them is not necessary.
00:34:35.200 Saxon Steel says,
00:34:36.000 thanks, Ezra, for
00:34:37.340 helping those who have
00:34:38.740 been duped by their
00:34:39.740 union.
00:34:40.280 Unions are being
00:34:40.920 bribed by the Trudeau
00:34:42.020 government, just like
00:34:43.500 courts and provincial
00:34:44.460 legislatures are being
00:34:45.420 manipulated, all for the
00:34:46.840 same global goal of
00:34:47.840 Build Back Better.
00:34:49.460 And the sauce helps
00:34:50.780 reduce the global
00:34:51.960 population, as stated by
00:34:53.180 Gates.
00:34:54.820 I don't know if the
00:34:56.240 vaccine will reduce the
00:34:57.900 global population.
00:34:58.780 I don't know.
00:35:00.020 I know that there have
00:35:00.960 been more vaccine
00:35:01.760 injuries in the last year
00:35:02.880 than all of history
00:35:04.100 combined.
00:35:05.540 So I'm going to put that
00:35:06.660 factual observation
00:35:07.640 aside.
00:35:08.100 I don't think we know
00:35:08.820 that yet.
00:35:09.520 But the point is that it
00:35:12.180 is true these unions are
00:35:13.520 bought off in the same
00:35:14.660 way that the media is.
00:35:16.640 I mean, where has the
00:35:17.480 media been the last two
00:35:18.460 years?
00:35:18.760 Well, I'll tell you where
00:35:19.720 it's been.
00:35:20.440 Cashing checks from Justin
00:35:21.660 Trudeau for hundreds of
00:35:23.100 millions of dollars.
00:35:23.900 You don't expect them to
00:35:24.960 fight back.
00:35:25.460 Uniform run by Jerry
00:35:26.460 Diaz, close ally of Justin
00:35:28.380 Trudeau.
00:35:29.300 So the union bosses are
00:35:30.700 captured by the
00:35:32.180 government or by the
00:35:33.100 corporations.
00:35:33.940 It's so odd that these
00:35:35.260 words are coming out of
00:35:35.960 my mouth, but how can I
00:35:36.940 deny what my eyes see?
00:35:39.700 Someone with the nickname
00:35:40.780 C1Cast says, this is not
00:35:43.140 an anti-vax crusade.
00:35:44.500 It is a freedom of choice
00:35:45.500 crusade.
00:35:46.340 It is also freedom of
00:35:47.460 choice of everything
00:35:48.460 crusade, not just
00:35:49.880 health care.
00:35:50.760 We have lost our
00:35:51.520 personal privacy through
00:35:52.540 computer, cell phones,
00:35:53.820 security camera intrusions
00:35:54.840 into our lives.
00:35:55.760 When you lose your
00:35:56.660 privacy, you lose your
00:35:58.100 freedom.
00:35:59.980 There's a lot of truth
00:36:00.960 to that.
00:36:01.200 You know, the other
00:36:01.780 day, the governor of
00:36:03.340 California, Gavin Newsom,
00:36:05.020 disappeared for almost
00:36:05.980 two weeks.
00:36:07.220 There were plenty of
00:36:08.320 speculations.
00:36:10.520 The last time he was
00:36:11.740 seen was when he was
00:36:13.200 getting a booster shot,
00:36:14.200 so people thought, oh,
00:36:14.960 my God, did he have a
00:36:16.120 vaccine injury?
00:36:16.800 Did he get Bell's
00:36:17.580 palsy, which makes you
00:36:19.260 lose the nervous control
00:36:20.400 of part of your face for
00:36:21.280 a while?
00:36:22.340 And in the end, he did
00:36:23.640 reemerge, and he looked
00:36:24.520 fine afterwards.
00:36:25.700 Maybe it was just
00:36:26.300 temporary.
00:36:26.800 Maybe he had some
00:36:27.420 personal issues he was
00:36:28.300 dealing with.
00:36:28.720 But as one observer
00:36:30.640 said, I don't have
00:36:33.000 medical privacy from
00:36:34.340 him.
00:36:35.220 I bloody well demand
00:36:36.240 to know where he was.
00:36:37.940 You see, that's the
00:36:39.000 thing.
00:36:39.300 None of these things go
00:36:40.300 two ways.
00:36:41.720 Well, that's our show
00:36:42.600 for today.
00:36:43.640 Until tomorrow, on
00:36:44.620 behalf of all of us here
00:36:45.600 at Rebel World
00:36:46.120 Headquarters, to you at
00:36:47.100 home, good night.
00:36:48.300 And keep fighting for
00:36:49.060 freedom.
00:36:49.940 And let me leave you
00:36:50.680 with an interview with
00:36:51.460 a Toronto firefighter, a
00:36:53.400 true hero, literally
00:36:54.500 someone who would rush
00:36:55.580 into a burning building
00:36:56.520 to save you.
00:36:57.300 But if he's not
00:36:58.780 vaxxed, well, we can't
00:37:00.760 have him around.
00:37:01.500 Take a look at this.
00:37:02.300 The virus has affected
00:37:03.380 all of our lives.
00:37:05.080 But through it, we've
00:37:05.980 seen Canadians from
00:37:07.020 coast to coast to
00:37:08.080 coast lend a hand, make
00:37:10.180 personal sacrifices, and
00:37:12.180 help others.
00:37:13.440 This is especially true
00:37:15.180 for those working on the
00:37:16.280 front lines of the
00:37:17.200 pandemic.
00:37:18.100 They are the everyday
00:37:19.520 heroes who we cheered on
00:37:21.180 and hung signs in our
00:37:22.760 windows for.
00:37:23.420 I've been active due to
00:37:24.440 the firefighter for five
00:37:25.180 years, going on six
00:37:26.020 this coming March.
00:37:27.140 As it stands right now,
00:37:28.080 I'm currently suspended
00:37:28.920 without pay.
00:37:30.100 I'm not sure what I'm
00:37:30.720 going to be doing to
00:37:32.040 take care of my family,
00:37:33.580 to do whatever I need
00:37:34.420 to do to ensure that
00:37:35.380 the future is secure.
00:37:39.820 Lincoln J for Rebel
00:37:40.940 News here in Toronto.
00:37:42.300 Now, for the past 20
00:37:43.760 months, frontline workers
00:37:45.380 have been declared heroes
00:37:46.800 for their continuous work
00:37:48.300 throughout the pandemic.
00:37:49.760 Those same heroes are
00:37:51.520 now being put out of
00:37:52.540 work for simply refusing
00:37:54.280 to take the COVID-19
00:37:55.760 vaccine.
00:37:56.620 I had the chance to
00:37:57.380 speak with one of those
00:37:58.160 frontline workers, Andrew
00:37:59.460 Mason, a Toronto
00:38:00.680 firefighter who has been
00:38:01.800 placed on suspension
00:38:02.900 without pay for not
00:38:04.940 disclosing his
00:38:05.680 vaccination status.
00:38:07.040 Andrew has a family to
00:38:08.460 provide for and bills to
00:38:10.120 pay.
00:38:10.700 He has worked without
00:38:11.600 second thought through
00:38:12.620 the entire pandemic and
00:38:14.020 is now being left out to
00:38:15.540 dry.
00:38:16.080 Have a listen to Andrew's
00:38:17.300 story.
00:38:18.320 Well, I'm from Jamaica,
00:38:19.520 moved to Canada in 2001.
00:38:20.920 I went to high school and
00:38:23.440 Western Technical and
00:38:24.320 Commercial School.
00:38:26.260 From that point on, I just
00:38:28.840 got into the working field
00:38:29.840 after I graduated from
00:38:30.720 high school.
00:38:32.560 I had a friend of mine that
00:38:33.620 introduced me to
00:38:35.040 firefighting through the
00:38:36.400 newspaper.
00:38:37.020 So he told me to give it
00:38:39.220 a go.
00:38:40.460 So I said, you know what?
00:38:42.120 I would.
00:38:43.340 Went out to the seminar, got
00:38:44.680 into it, spoke to a few
00:38:45.560 guys.
00:38:46.820 They got me really
00:38:48.180 interested because it was
00:38:49.040 more like a brotherhood.
00:38:49.960 So I was really interested
00:38:51.320 in getting somewhere that
00:38:52.580 way you could feel like a
00:38:53.660 closest family while you're
00:38:54.680 doing your work and get
00:38:55.860 you motivated, helping
00:38:57.080 people and being close to
00:38:57.980 the guys that you're
00:38:58.460 working with at the same
00:38:59.120 time.
00:38:59.500 So that's how I got into
00:39:01.140 it, fell in love with it
00:39:03.180 from that point on.
00:39:04.480 I've been active duty
00:39:05.160 firefighter for five years
00:39:06.120 going on, six this coming
00:39:07.200 March.
00:39:08.160 With the mandatory vaccine
00:39:09.540 requirements in place for
00:39:11.080 Toronto Fire Services, where
00:39:12.460 does this leave you?
00:39:13.120 Well, it leaves me basically
00:39:15.180 hopeless because I'm not
00:39:16.100 sure what I'm going to be
00:39:16.760 doing to take care of my
00:39:18.580 family, to do whatever I
00:39:20.100 need to do to ensure that
00:39:21.180 the future is secure.
00:39:23.100 As it stands right now, I'm
00:39:24.120 currently suspended without
00:39:25.540 pay.
00:39:26.260 I have no income coming in.
00:39:28.360 I have no clue what I will
00:39:30.700 be doing.
00:39:31.460 It's leaving me in
00:39:32.040 uncertainty because we have
00:39:32.880 no idea what's really going
00:39:33.840 on between the negotiations
00:39:34.820 and the government.