EZRA LEVANT ｜ Who is on the Twitter board of directors that rejected Elon Musk？
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Who is on the board of directors of Twitter that rejected Elon Musk's $43 billion offer to buy it? And why is it important that someone from the board is on there? Who is Bob Zellick? And who is Elon Musk?
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Hello, my Rebels. Today, I'm going to take you through the biography of one of Twitter's
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directors of the board. I thought they would be all sort of young tech guys and Silicon Valley
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experts, maybe in their 40s or maybe in their 50s, but basically young guys like Mark Zuckerberg or
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Jack Dorsey. I was so surprised to see an ancient political name on there, someone by the name of
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Bob Zellick, and you've got to be in your 60s to know who he is. He's like sort of a slightly
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younger, Henry Kissinger. What is a, you know, former deep state diplomat doing on Twitter's
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board? The guy's never used Twitter himself. His account literally has zero tweets. I'll take you
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through it. I've got some theories on it. I'll introduce you to one of Twitter's directors,
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probably relevant to Elon Musk's offer to buy the thing. But before I do, let me invite you to become
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Tonight, who is on the board of directors of Twitter that rejected Elon Musk? It's April
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Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
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There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
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The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody
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right to do so. We've talked a couple times now about the $43 billion offer that Elon Musk made
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to buy Twitter. Of course, some of it is just that Musk is one of the world's most interesting people.
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He's the richest person, at least for now. He's a businessman with some real success. Tesla
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Tesla is worth a trillion dollars, according to the stock market. That's more than GM and Ford
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and Chrysler combined, if you're counting. Now, you may not think that's right, but millions of
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investors seem to. So he's not just a businessman. He's a bit of a mad scientist, too. Not just his
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electric cars idea, but his spaceship's idea. He has a company called the Boring Company that's about
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tunneling underground for cars, hence the word boring. It's a double entendre. He's cheeky.
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He's a bit of a mad scientist. He made flamethrowers and sold them. I'm not sure why, but he did.
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He's a bit of a pundit, a bit of a philosopher. He seems to love pot. He smokes it while talking for
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hours with podcasters like Joe Rogan. He meets with the comedy writers of the Babylon Bee. I think
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they're the funniest conservative website around. So, of course, Elon Musk himself is fun to talk
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about. I'm sure the fact that I'm obviously addicted to Twitter personally makes me more
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interested than a normal person would be who isn't on Twitter. But that's the thing. Who is on Twitter?
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It's big, but it's not that big. I mean, it has 400 million users. So, sure, that's enormous. But
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Facebook has, what, 2 billion users? TikTok and Instagram are more than a billion.
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Twitter doesn't make a lot of money. And it's not really growing that quickly either. So,
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why is it so important? Why are people fighting over it? Because the number one reason users say
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they have Twitter is to get the news. Yeah, sports, comedy, celebrities, entertainment, of course,
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that's important too. But Twitter is about the news. It's about politics. More importantly,
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it's, maybe more accurately, it's about news makers and news creators and news writers and news editors.
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News shapers. If you're a billionaire, you can go and buy yourself a newspaper.
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You can buy yourself a TV news station. Elon Musk probably could. But if you have Twitter,
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and by that, if you control it, well, you sort of have every news network in your hand because
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they all use Twitter to propagate stories and videos. More importantly, all the journalists are
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on Twitter. They're hooked on Twitter. They're obsessed with Twitter, checking Twitter always. It's
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the clubhouse for journalists. It's where PR companies live. It's the public square, the town
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square. Twitter calls itself that. So sure, it has a financial value, but its value is much deeper than
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that. It's the bulletin board that every political and media person in the world uses, not just Americans,
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but Canadians. The Chinese, the Russians, the Ukrainians, the Iranians, everyone. Now,
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you can't use Twitter itself in China or Iran, but the Chinese and Iranian dictators use Twitter.
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You see my point? That's their value that they place on it. And Twitter's top hashtag last year,
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that means a little tagline that users type out on the stories to help people searching,
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find them, was COVID-19. Are you getting it? Let's say you wanted to control the entire
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national discussion. Actually, the global discussion. Say you wanted to talk about Ukraine
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and Russia, not just in English, but in many other languages. You could try and buy newspapers
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in every country, TV stations, whatever. But why not just own the public square, own the meeting place,
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own the medium that they all use, and then subtly build in a few filters, call them algorithms.
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Pump up the voices you want promoted, boost them. Show them to more people. And do the opposite
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to voices you don't want seen. Demote them. Show them to fewer people. Put warnings on the accounts
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of people you don't like. Ban them even, which is exactly what Twitter has done. And that's what
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they say they've done. Their new CEO, Parag Agrawal, famously said, they're not so much interested in
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free speech, but rather deciding who gets attention to their speech. So everyone can shout into the wind,
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but only Agrawal's friends will have their shouts heard by anyone. So if you're Pfizer and Moderna,
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that's extremely valuable. You need to boost tweets that promote vaccines. You need to de-boost
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throttle tweets that are skeptical. Call that misinformation, even if it later turns out that
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they were right. Now, normally it's subtle. You might not even notice it. Sometimes it's just too much not to
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notice, like when they literally suspended a sitting president of the United States, or when they suspended
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the mighty New York Post, one of America's oldest newspapers, for posting a completely true story about
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Hunter Biden's laptop just before the election. What's the value of that? If that censorship moved the needle
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a couple of percent in the election, did they lose it for Trump and win it for Biden?
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What's the value of that? It's got to be trillions. Think about what China or Russia or frankly Pfizer
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or Moderna would do for that kind of control over the discourse. There was no war for four years under
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Donald Trump. You know that? I mean, he didn't invade anybody. He lobbed a few missiles in Syria for
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effect, but he started no new wars. Russia and North Korea were pacified during that time too. In fact,
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Trump made peace between the Jews and the Arabs. I wonder if any, oh, I don't know, arms dealers
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wanted Trump gone. I wonder what the value of owning Twitter, the massive censorship machine
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would be to them. That's what Twitter is. It's a filter. It's a subtle censor. And do you doubt that
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they compile everything you look at, every message you sound? Don't doubt it. It's in their terms of
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service. It's a business model. So imagine everything that every politician and every journalist
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writes and reads being owned by Twitter. But more than that, Twitter has private messages you can
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send people that the public doesn't see. They're called DMs, direct messages. Do you doubt that Twitter
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staff read those secret messages between politicians, journalists, diplomats, etc.? I've had some pretty
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frank discussions with sitting politicians over Twitter direct messages, sensitive for them, maybe for me
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too. I don't know. But do you doubt they're being read by Twitter's left-wing staff? Again, let me
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disabuse you of your naivete if you do doubt it. Look at this story from the Washington Post, no less.
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Former Twitter employees charged with spying for Saudi Arabia by digging into the accounts of kingdom
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critics. Well, there it is. And it just so happens that Prince Al-Waleed of Saudi Arabia is one of the
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largest investors at Twitter, has been for a while. He says, I don't believe that the proposed offer by
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Elon Musk comes close to the intrinsic value of Twitter given its growth prospects. Being one of
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the largest and long-term shareholders at Twitter, Kingdom HC and I reject this offer. Now here's Elon
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Musk's reply to the Saudi prince. He says, interesting. Just two questions, if I may. How much of Twitter does
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the kingdom own directly and indirectly? What are the kingdom's views on journalistic freedom of speech?
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Elon Musk is right. He's pointing out that a foreign prince of a dictatorship is calling the shots at an
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American company. But his second point, while spicy, isn't quite right. I don't think the main value to the
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Saudi regime of owning Twitter is spying on domestic political activists. Of course, that's part of it, for sure.
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But Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Twitter ownership can spy on everyone in the world, on the West.
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Spy and Throttler Boost tweak the algorithms to show people more of what the owners want them to see and less of
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what the owners don't want them to see. It's sort of obvious. If you're using a free service like Facebook or
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Twitter, it's because you're the product that's being bought and sold. All of which brings me to this. I saw this the
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other day. It's a list of Twitter's board of directors. Someone put a spreadsheet together showing just how few shares
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they own in Twitter. These directors get paid about a quarter million U.S. a year.
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in for a bad time, says this guy. Not sure he's prepared to take on a couple of PhDs, a few MBAs,
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and a baroness who use Twitter once a year to reset their passwords and collectively own 77 shares of
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the company. Well, I don't know if that's sarcastic or not, but here's what Elon Musk said in reply.
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Wow, with Jack departing, the Twitter board collectively owns almost no shares. Objectively,
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their economic interests are simply not aligned with shareholders. And then he said that if he
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takes over, he'll stop paying directors, saving the company three million bucks a year.
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But it's obviously not about the money. It's about the other thing, their interests,
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the director's interests versus the shareholders' interests. If these directors own almost zero stock,
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why are they directors? Not to make money. I mean, if you don't own it, why do you care about it?
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Well, like I say, because you care about other things than money that Twitter gives you.
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I saw this name on there. I was glancing at that list on that tweet, and I recognized the name
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because I'm a political person and I've been following politics for years. I recognize that
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Bob Zellick. I bet very few people other than political watchers in their 50s know who he is.
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He looks a bit like Steve Buscemi. I'd call him a bit of a mini Henry Kissinger.
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Here's his Twitter account. He's never tweeted, not once ever. Here's his page on the Twitter board
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of directors, his official biography there. Can I read his whole biography for you? It's quite
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impressive. Let me do it. Give me a minute. Robert Zellick has served as a member of our
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board of directors since July 2018. From May 2017 to April 2019, Mr. Zellick served as the chairman
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of the board of directors of Alliance Bernstein Holding LP. Since August 2013, Mr. Zellick has
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served as a board member of Temasek Holdings Private Limited, a Singaporean corporation principally
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engaged in the business of investment holding. Since May 2017, he has served as a senior counselor
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to the Brunswick Group, a global public affairs and communications firm. Since July 2012, he has
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also been a senior fellow at the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at Harvard
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University's Kennedy School of Government. From October 2013 until September 2016, Mr. Zellick served as
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chairman of the board of international advisors at the Goldman Sachs Group. From July 2007 until July
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June 2012, he served as president of the World Bank Group. From 2006 to 2007, he served as vice chairman
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international and a managing director of Goldman Sachs. Mr. Zellick served as the deputy secretary for the
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U.S. Department of State from 2005 till 2006 and as the U.S. trade representative from 2001 to 2004.
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From 1985 to 1993, Mr. Zellick held various posts in the U.S. government, including counselor to the U.S.
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Secretary of the Treasury, undersecretary of state, and deputy chief of staff at the White House.
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Mr. Zellick holds a B.A. from Swarthmore College, a J.D. from the Harvard Law School,
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and an MPP from Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government. Oh, my God. I think that's a dictionary
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definition of the deep state. I mean, obviously, he cares about money, Goldman Sachs, that kind of thing.
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But it's much more than just money. This guy is the government. He's the world. He's the globe. He's
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a... It's globalist money. It's money with a certain political point of view, isn't it? It's not mom-and-pop
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shops. World Bank, deputy White House chief of staff, international diplomat, Harvard. He really
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is a master of the universe. He's a senior big shot at Brunswick Group. I'd never heard of them.
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I went to their website. Now, apparently, there are communications firm, but they call themselves
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critical issues. It's their focus. What does that mean? What's a critical issue? I spent a fair amount
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of time on their website, and I don't really think I know any more now than I did before.
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It's quite a style of communicating they have. If you look, they're huge, actually. They're all
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over the world, from Beijing to London to Dubai to Washington. Can I show you a two-minute video
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on one of their pages that explains what they do? I don't understand it. You tell me if you
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understand a thing here. Can you watch this? You tell me. This is the boss of Twitter. Take a look.
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Brunswick. Brunswick. Brunswick is the world's leading. Brunswick is the world's leading critical
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issues firm. We work with the leadership teams of the great value-creating organizations around
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the world. From huge multinational corporations to non-profits and to up-and-coming disruptors.
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Because we recognize their value to society, and we recognize how important it is that they tell
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their story in a meaningful way. That is what a critical issues firm is all about. Brunswick can
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provide the full suite of services to clients. We can sit in a boardroom advising around major
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geopolitical issues down to drafting a simple press release. We're not just advising a company
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on a deal or an IPO. We're advising them on an opportunity to tell their story to the world.
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In terms of thinking through how they engage with their stakeholders.
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Which are very broad and span across the regulatory, political, financial, and social spheres.
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And help companies make the right business decisions and then communicate them effectively
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to those various stakeholders. Allow them to play their role in the world, but also to meaningfully,
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and that's really important, to meaningfully engage with all their stakeholders.
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We support them in becoming the kind of company that they want to be. Brunswick's purpose.
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Our purpose. Is to help clients play. Brunswick's purpose is to help clients play their role
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in society most successfully. And we do that by working with them on their most critical issues.
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But to do it in a way that contributes to not only their bottom line, but also contributes to
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the advancement of society as well. I truly believe that businesses are a key force for good.
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We help people understand not just challenge and risk, but we help them understand opportunity.
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What does that mean? Are they like a private CIA? They can't tell you? Do they do things like spy?
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I don't know. I mean, in a good way even? Or a bad way? What are they doing in Beijing?
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I have no clue. And I think that's by design on their part. I don't know. Do they do nasty things
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for nasty people for a lot of money? They operate in a lot of nasty places. They know how to stop
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people like Elon Musk, though. They really emphasize that. Take a look at this. I found this page on their
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website. Shareholder activism, an integrated team equipping clients with communications tools to
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defend against activists. I'm going to read every word on this page to you because this seems to be a
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fit with Twitter. Give me a minute, okay? Let me read this. The surge of shareholder activism sweeping
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through the corporate world is only accelerating, and virtually no company is immune. Brunswick works
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hand-in-hand with clients facing the increasingly complex threat of activist investors, from defense
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preparation before an activist establishes a public position in the stock, to a full-blown proxy fight.
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In the planning stages, we work with executives across a client's organization to identify possible
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areas of weakness that could be exploited by an activist investor, determine appropriate reactive
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messaging, and establish the detailed protocol and logistics needed to respond quickly to the wide
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range of public and private activist approaches. When a fight turns public, Brunswick has the global
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media and shareholder engagement expertise to launch extended campaigns, all underpinned by our in-house
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digital, creative, and market research teams. Strategic use of social media, such as Twitter and
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LinkedIn, can provide a company with a powerful campaign advantage. So what do they do? They protect
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companies from investors? The right team at the right time with the right experience, we know that a
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company's ability to hold off an activist will depend on how well you conduct your campaign and
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convince investors you are right. We have a team of former lawyers, bankers, analysts, and journalists
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who have successfully advised on many of the highest-profile activist fights, as well as behind-the-scenes
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preparation for clients large and small. So yeah, that's who's on the board. Elon Musk is up against
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some big operators. They sound like the kind of people who have their hands in a million things.
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I don't know. Maybe they helped get this article published today in the Toronto Star.
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Could be. The headline you can see right there, Elon Musk's attempt to buy Twitter should be setting
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off alarm bells in Ottawa. Here's the thing. Elon Musk can offer these people a hundred million,
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a hundred billion dollars. A trillion dollars. They're not going to sell.
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Well, Twitter isn't worth that much as an ad platform. It's only worth that much as a political
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spy machine, a message censorship machine, a mass formation psychosis machine.
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If they really were about freedom of speech, things would be different. I wonder if Trump would
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still be president if Twitter wasn't politically corruptible. We'll never know the effect of
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throttling the Hunter Biden laptop story. I know that things would have been a lot different about
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the pandemic, that's for sure. The vaccines, discussions about ivermectin, alternative treatments,
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whether you agree with them or not. These were all subjects that were throttled or banned by Twitter.
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That's pretty valuable to Moderna and Pfizer, isn't it? Well, Twitter is not about freedom,
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hasn't been in a long time. It's about control. That's why Bob Zelleck and the Brunswick, I don't
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know, what even is that company? That's who runs it now. Bob Zelleck doesn't tweet, but why would he?
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I bet he reads a few tweets. If Elon Musk were to buy Twitter, not only might he stop their censorship
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and the twisting of the world's perception of things, but I think he'd probably unearthed things
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they've been up to all these past years but haven't told us about. Jack Dorsey, the founder and the
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past president of the place, he seems to have something he wants to say. Someone asked him on Twitter,
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this is actually a reporter for CNBC, serious question for Jack. If you think the Twitter board
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is or was so dysfunctional and kept that company from being great, as you imply, either through your
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own tweets or replies to others, why didn't you do anything about it when you ran the company for
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several years? Well, Jack replied. He said, so much to say, but nothing that can be said. Yeah, I don't
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know. I might be wrong. Bob Zelleck might just care about freedom of speech in his own way and making
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good old-fashioned money. Nothing wrong with that. He's smarter than that Saudi prince who weighed in
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in public on Twitter. What a fool showing his cards like that. I have no idea what Bob Zelleck is really
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doing, either at Brunswick or at Twitter. But then again, I had no idea he was on the board. It really is
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like a mini Henry Kissinger, isn't he? I'd never have guessed it. There's a lot we don't know about our
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American oligarchs. I think they like it that way. P.S. I don't think that even the world's richest man
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Because the core problem with housing in Canada is we just don't have enough housing. It's just a
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mathematical thing. Canada has the fastest growing population in the G7. That is fantastic. That is
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actually a huge driver of economic growth. And it is one of Canada's competitive advantages.
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But we cannot have the fastest growing population in the G7 without also having the fastest growing
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housing stock in the G7. And we don't have that right now. We have a shortage of homes.
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There's some truth to it. The map doesn't lie. Price is dependent on supply and demand.
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Since Justin Trudeau became prime minister, the pricing of an average house in the country
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has doubled. And it is much worse in the number one destination for newcomers to Canada,
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namely Toronto and Vancouver. In fact, in the last year alone, the prices in Toronto have gone up nearly
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30% in one year. Here to join us to talk about it is our friend Spencer Fernando, whose latest article
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is called Freeland admits federal immigration policy has driven up housing costs. Spencer,
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great to see again. I think this is a kind of breakthrough. It's one of the first times I can
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remember a liberal actually acknowledging that immigration is driving demand, which is driving
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price. I mean, whether or not the liberals admit it, it is how supply and demand words. But I think she
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admits it. Having the highest immigration policy of the G7 is causing the highest housing prices of the
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G7. Yeah, it's interesting to, you know, see her say that. You know, I've seen people on Twitter
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noting that if a conservative politician were to have said something similar, they'd be, you know,
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tapped as anti-immigrant, anti-immigration, racist, bigoted, all of those things. And so it's
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interesting that she's saying that. But she is correct, obviously. I mean, you know,
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it is a simple supply and demand issue. The only problem is, of course, after she acknowledged
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the truth, she basically went on and said, oh, this is great. And this is how we're growing the
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economy. And obviously, thinking that you're growing the economy just by bringing in more
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people as opposed to having per capita GDP growth is obviously a serious problem. And it's concerning
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to see the finance minister kind of falling into a logical trap like that. Yeah, that's a great point.
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I mean, when you add people to an economy, when you bring people, when you do any activity,
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it is GDP. But it's like the broken windows fallacy. And I'm not comparing it to immigration.
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I'm just comparing the logical flaw. Sorry. I mean, if you break a window, if you have a car
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accident, you have a car accident, the GDP goes up. But it's not productive GDP. If you smash a window,
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okay, you created a job for a glazier, but you haven't improved people's wealth, you burned it up.
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Immigration can be a tremendous source of growth and wealth, actually, but it depends on who's
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coming. And one of the things that Trudeau boasts about is that while there are some economic,
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you know, economically strong, like professional class immigrants, the plurality of the immigrants
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under Trudeau's current immigration scheme are people who are either family members or they're
00:25:38.700
refugees. They're not economic. So while we may be bringing in, say, 200,000 people a year who are
00:25:45.220
probably net positive on the GDP side, we're bringing in 150,000 a year who are who are not
00:25:54.800
Yeah, I mean, it's obviously a balance, right? Because you have, you know, for example, someone
00:25:58.600
has a large family, they may be an entrepreneur, and then they bring over a relative and they can help
00:26:03.040
take care of their children. So, you know, there can be benefits there as well. But I think,
00:26:07.160
you know, the deeper problem is that we don't discuss immigration in this country in a mature
00:26:11.740
way. You know, a mature country is able to have people who say, well, I think we should have more
00:26:15.980
immigration. Other people say we should have less immigration. But somehow in Canada, it's become
00:26:20.460
almost everybody in the political establishment basically feels pressured to go along with whatever
00:26:25.460
the current highest number is. You know, as I note in the article, if someone supports, say,
00:26:30.360
about half the immigration level we have now. So say they said they want 230,000 or 240,000 people
00:26:36.080
to come into the country every year. As a percentage of our economy, that would give us
00:26:41.760
one of still the highest immigration rates in the world. And that would be in most countries kind of
00:26:46.840
the maximalist pro-immigration position. Whereas, you know, the other side of it would be people
00:26:51.900
saying they want much less. Whereas in Canada, if someone says, oh, we should, you know, have 240,000
00:26:56.640
people come in every year, that's considered a huge cut to immigration. And they will be called
00:27:01.160
an anti-immigrant in many cases. So I think the fact that the debate on immigration in Canada
00:27:05.480
has become so, it's emotional, it's political, everybody demonizes everybody. I think that's a
00:27:11.400
real drawback for the future of the country, because we should be able to have, you know,
00:27:15.320
a logical and reasonable and balanced debate about this issue.
00:27:19.180
You know, Angus Reid is one of the few pollsters who regularly test that question.
00:27:23.740
Actually, I'm sure all pollsters do. But Angus Reid is one of the few who publish it.
00:27:27.600
And overwhelmingly, Canadians say either we have enough, or the number is just right,
00:27:34.480
or the number is too high. Very, very few, always less than 10% say we need more. And yet,
00:27:41.400
Trudeau increases the number every time. I think this is one of those issues where if
00:27:46.080
a politician were to say it very gently and very carefully, and in a way that allowed no
00:27:51.740
misinterpretation that it was a race-based thing, but rather on an economic basis,
00:27:56.600
if we've just doubled the cost of housing in this country, you know, don't tell me how this is
00:28:01.800
wonderful for our GDP if inflation is now close to 7%. No young people can get a house. You know,
00:28:08.560
the fact that the GDP is doing well, but no one can afford to buy a house, you know, that might work
00:28:14.100
in Chrystia Freeland's world, but I don't think it works for ordinary Canadians.
00:28:17.360
Yeah. And I think there's also the issue of, I guess you could say economic illiteracy is obviously
00:28:24.480
a serious problem, even apparently at the higher echelons of the liberal government. But this idea
00:28:30.220
that, you know, if you make the economy bigger overall, that you're actually benefiting people,
00:28:33.960
like that's not really how it works, right? You know, say somehow we decided tomorrow that we were
00:28:39.440
going to double Canada's population. You know, people from every part of the world came in,
00:28:42.920
and we got to, I guess, what would be 74, 75 million people or so. Okay. Well, we'd probably
00:28:49.980
have a much bigger GDP than we do now, certainly, but everybody else would be much poorer on an
00:28:55.500
individual basis, right? Everything would massively increase in price. There would just be chaos in
00:29:00.480
the country. And so sure, the overall economy would be bigger, but we'd all be worse off.
00:29:05.020
And so, you know, that's, that's the issue with immigration is you'd have to have it at a level
00:29:08.360
that is benefiting the country and reducing some of the drawbacks that, you know, very high
00:29:12.540
immigration can cause. And we just, we just don't have that discussion. As you said, you know,
00:29:16.760
polls show a lot of Canadians want to see a change in the immigration numbers. People either think
00:29:21.260
it's, there's enough people coming in yearly already, or there should be fewer people coming
00:29:24.900
in. And very few people in the political, you know, the political class in this country
00:29:29.440
are willing to actually talk about that. You know, it seems sort of obvious to me that
00:29:33.920
just like spending in a country can go up and down depending on the economic cycle,
00:29:39.340
immigration can too. I mean, if, if immigration is leading to a depression in wages and an increase
00:29:45.860
in housing prices, it seems like a lever that you can adjust. You know, if, if you're in a recession
00:29:52.240
or if you're in boom times that you can adjust government spending too. I mean, the whole theory
00:29:57.340
of Kenzie and economics was that when times are amazing, the government puts the brakes on a bit
00:30:02.100
and maybe runs a surplus. And in tough times, the government, you know, it's counter-cyclical.
00:30:07.740
So if things are tough, well, maybe that's when the government spends more. And I'm not necessarily
00:30:11.100
a Keynesian, but the point is, it's not always run a deficit. And the thing about immigration is
00:30:18.120
it's not always more, more, more, more, more. There may be times when less is the answer,
00:30:23.040
when, when their wages can't keep up with, with the cost of living, when housing has doubled
00:30:29.300
in four years, there may be a time to pump the brakes. Um, I, you know, the funny thing about
00:30:33.940
Christy Freeland, I just remembered it when she came back to Canada from New York, where she had
00:30:38.420
been working for years, she bought a house so that she could say she lived in her neighborhood in
00:30:43.860
Toronto. She had to get her dad to co-sign the mortgage. Now I'm not making a lot of fun of her,
00:30:50.600
although I think it is sort of a little bit odd that a woman in her forties in the cabinet can't,
00:30:54.500
you know, doesn't have the credit to get her own house. But if the deputy prime minister herself
00:31:00.780
needs help to buy a house, she's a bit glib with people who are not of her station in life,
00:31:07.980
who need help to buy a house, or frankly, there's no hope for them at all.
00:31:13.000
Yeah, I think a lot of what's happening is the liberals have kind of backed themselves into a
00:31:16.720
corner because of, you know, the overtly ideological nature of how they govern the country. I mean,
00:31:22.140
immigration will be one example. You know, they keep increasing the immigration number every year.
00:31:26.620
The carbon tax, obviously, their anti-energy sector policies, these are all policies that cause,
00:31:30.860
you know, issues in the economy, obviously inflation. The carbon tax is, you know, a
00:31:34.640
deliberately inflationary policy. It's designed to make things more expensive, and it makes them
00:31:38.980
more expensive every year. And so they can't really actually do anything about these problems
00:31:44.700
without admitting that, you know, their ideology is the cause of many of these issues. And so they're
00:31:49.520
forced to kind of play the game where they say, oh, we're very concerned about inflation, and we're
00:31:53.320
very concerned about housing, and we're very concerned about the cost of living, and we're going to do
00:31:57.480
everything we can to help people. But they can't really do anything because that would have been
00:32:01.520
involved in admitting they were wrong in their overall policy focus for the last, what is it,
00:32:05.880
six or seven years? And so I think that that's kind of what's happening now is they're just trying
00:32:10.620
to, you know, muddle along, pretend they're concerned, hope people focus on other things. I think,
00:32:15.260
you know, that's one of the reasons Pierre Polyev is doing so well. He's one of the only politicians
00:32:19.140
who's offering an agenda that is ideologically very different than what the liberals are offering.
00:32:24.020
And he's saying, look, here's the problem, here's a solution, here's what I'm going to do.
00:32:27.380
And it's very different than what the liberals are talking about. And so I think that's why the
00:32:30.560
establishment really is going after him so much, because he represents a real alternative.
00:32:35.860
And if he was to get in and have very different policies and make things better for people,
00:32:40.060
a lot of people would say, you know, why were we putting up with these, you know, these supposedly
00:32:43.680
brilliant and, you know, supposedly progressive policies over the past, you know, years. And so
00:32:48.640
I think they're very concerned. They want to stop him from getting in power because they know his
00:32:52.680
ideas will probably actually work. You know, it's interesting. He is getting criticisms because
00:32:58.420
his crowds are so large. I mean, if his crowds were small, he'd be getting criticism for, ha ha,
00:33:03.860
he can't draw a crowd. He's had events on an Indian reserve in Alberta. He's had events that
00:33:09.860
seek in Chinese cultural locations, but he's accused of being too white. I mean, the criticisms
00:33:17.460
about him seem pretty desperate. The one thing I like about Pierre Polyev is his command of fiscal
00:33:24.440
policy, but also monetary policy, which is a little bit hard for, I think it's something that
00:33:29.260
most ordinary folks don't think about a lot, but he really has thought a lot about it and inflation
00:33:34.400
and how it's really attacks on everything because it devalues your money. I mean, the fact that he's
00:33:40.060
into crypto, but not in a, not in sort of a, you know, a hype kind of way, but he, he sees it as a
00:33:46.440
way to solve some of the problems of government inflation. I really think that's thoughtful. And
00:33:50.960
he's also good at putting it in layman's terms. I think that in Pierre Polyev, you've got a guy with
00:33:56.920
a lot of substance on cost of living issues. And Trudeau, I mean, he famously bragged,
00:34:03.160
he doesn't think about monetary policy. I don't know if you saw this clip from, um, his pre prime
00:34:08.380
minister days, here's Trudeau saying he's never really been good with numbers and it's a learning
00:34:14.040
disability. He claims, I don't know if you saw this, take a look at this. I have a little confession
00:34:19.080
to make. I have a slight learning disability. I am dysnumeric. What that means is I have an inability
00:34:30.160
to handle small numbers and little calculations. Those easy things that people do so well. 13
00:34:42.580
7. Under pressure, it's even worse. So I mean, if I pick up numbers and try to do it,
00:34:46.620
2 plus 3 minus 1 times 2 minus 4 plus 2. How many people follow that?
00:34:57.420
Now, I'm not looking to make fun of anyone for a learning disability. I have a hunch that
00:35:02.460
that's just a fancy term given to a bad student in the case of Trudeau. But when he says he doesn't
00:35:09.720
follow monetary policy, when he says the budget will balance itself, when he says that you grow the
00:35:15.360
economy from the heart out. And when he says he's dysnumeric, a guy tells you four times he's not
00:35:20.220
good at numbers. We should probably listen to him. It's sort of terrifying that he's the guy in
00:35:27.380
Yeah, it's quite concerning. And I think, you know, a lot of it is in many ways a luxury that
00:35:31.940
the Western world has had from a period of, you know, peace and prosperity that went on really for
00:35:36.840
historic, you know, amount of time. You know, if you look at history, this has been a long time
00:35:42.060
of, you know, economies growing and the world being relatively peaceful. And a lot of that's
00:35:46.320
obviously starting to change. And so I think what's happened over time is people, obviously
00:35:50.400
people like Justin Trudeau, who had a very privileged upbringing, but, you know, the society in many
00:35:54.780
ways, you know, at large and our political institutions, there's been so much, you know,
00:36:00.300
wealth created that people kind of lost the understanding that at the end of the day, you still
00:36:05.040
have to produce real things. You still have to make, you have to produce food, you have to transport it,
00:36:09.880
you know, you have to fill your cars with gasoline, you have to drive around, planes have to get where
00:36:14.660
they're going, you have to, you know, extract minerals and, you know, things from the earth to
00:36:18.520
build things. And there's been this idea where, oh, we don't really need to produce things, we just print
00:36:23.520
more money and give out the money, and then we're richer, and then we're all doing better. And so I think
00:36:28.280
that's starting to slowly shift. You know, Paul Yev, as you talk about monetary policy, that would be,
00:36:32.960
he's an example of someone who's starting to, you know, help people kind of get out of that
00:36:36.400
mindset. But Trudeau is obviously still very much in the way of thinking that, oh, well,
00:36:41.680
there's a problem, you know, the government just, you know, creates some money and gives it out to
00:36:44.560
people and, you know, money fixes the problem. So there's no issue. Obviously, that just devalues
00:36:48.880
the currency and makes everything more expensive, as we're seeing across the country and much of the
00:36:52.800
world. But, you know, he's not going to get it. You know, Chrystia Freeland, you know, I wouldn't be
00:36:57.520
shocked if at some level she does understand it, but politically she can't admit that these are terrible
00:37:02.100
policies and reverse any of them. So she's just going to keep going along with it as well.
00:37:05.580
And so I think until there's a change of government and until hopefully it's someone
00:37:10.340
like Pierre Polyev, not someone like Jean Charest, until that happens, you know, Canada is going to
00:37:15.320
be stuck in a set of policies where the government says, oh, we're very concerned about these issues,
00:37:19.460
and then their policies make all these issues worse. You know, I wouldn't put too much stock in
00:37:24.000
Chrystia Freeland. I sat down and read her last book, and I have to say, I didn't find it thoughtful or
00:37:29.520
philosophical. It felt like sort of a lifestyles of the rich and famous. And her work at
00:37:35.540
Reuters, Thompson, not only did she nearly destroy a whole enterprise, like she was a disaster as a
00:37:44.840
manager. I just, I think that she is puffed up in a way like Trudeau himself is. I don't think there's a
00:37:53.900
lot of there there, but compared to Trudeau, she looks like a, you know, a PhD professor. I don't know.
00:37:59.460
I mean, Pierre Polyev's phenomenon is interesting. And here's my theory on that. And I know we're
00:38:05.760
shifting gears from the original immigration and cost of living question, but it is quite something
00:38:11.740
for a guy to get a thousand people out in small towns in on short notice, like he's getting a
00:38:19.480
thousand, five thousand, seven thousand people out. And he's not even the leader yet. And my theory is
00:38:26.280
for two years, there's been anti-gathering rules. You can't gather in public. The political
00:38:34.100
accountability of our system has been reduced as well. Parliament has not sat in the normal way.
00:38:40.540
Politicians have been cloistered. And because of the quote emergency, I think the political classes
00:38:49.240
and the courts have sort of agreed with each other. They've sort of huddled together. They've
00:38:54.220
circled the wagons. And so for the first time in two years, people can express themselves. And I
00:39:00.140
think you have pent up two years of disagreement, two years at anything over the last two years has
00:39:06.240
bothered you. You've never really been able to act on it. Even the last election, all the candidates
00:39:12.800
were so similar, including Aaron O'Toole. I think you're not just seeing Pierre Polyev, you're seeing
00:39:17.600
that the fake political media consensus of the last two years was indeed fake. And that someone
00:39:25.580
who takes on the system, whether it's the lockdown system or the monetary system or the housing system
00:39:32.180
or the media system, is really tapping into something that the media has missed. It's that populist
00:39:38.300
undercurrent that was sort of papered over for two years. That's what I think Pierre Polyev has tapped
00:39:43.820
into. Maybe that's sort of obvious, but I think you're looking at two years of fake news that
00:39:50.160
everyone was going along with this crisis from Trudeau. And a lot of people are saying, no, we're
00:39:55.080
completely sick of it. And the establishment has failed us in every respect. What do you think?
00:40:00.220
Yeah, I think if you look at what happened to Aaron O'Toole, that's it's all part of the same
00:40:04.200
pattern, right? I mean, he was basically, you know, he campaigned as one thing in the leadership race,
00:40:09.620
obviously offered something very different that a lot of people were not too pleased about.
00:40:13.660
But when he became the leader of the party, and a lot of what he did was basically, as you say,
00:40:17.520
create a false political consensus, right? He made it appear as if even the largest opposition
00:40:22.480
party was completely in favor of most of the things the liberals were doing, except with maybe a few
00:40:27.340
tweaks and it'll be, you know, marketed a little differently. And so Polyev, you know, I think
00:40:33.420
another reason he's getting big crowds, in addition to the points you raised, is that he's been talking
00:40:37.200
about these issues for some time. And I wrote recently in the National Citizens Coalition how he has a lot
00:40:41.820
more credibility than most people, because he was talking about the danger of government spending
00:40:45.540
and money printing two years ago, when those policies were extremely popular, when almost
00:40:50.620
everybody else was afraid to, you know, utter any criticism of the government spending massive amounts
00:40:55.840
of money, he was still out there talking about, you know, this is going to cause a problem. This is
00:40:59.120
why, you know, the government needs to get its fiscal house in order. This is why it's dangerous for
00:41:03.320
the Bank of Canada to print so much money. And so I think the fact that he's been talking about that for
00:41:08.640
such a long time, gives him credibility. And then, you know, in some ways, you know, the moment
00:41:12.580
has worked out well for him. Unfortunately, it means that there's obviously issues going on
00:41:17.940
in the country, because people are obviously upset. But I mean, if you're talking about,
00:41:22.640
you know, the danger of government policy and spending and, you know, monetary policy,
00:41:26.480
and then people see their prices going up all over the place, they're going to look and say,
00:41:30.020
who is somebody who's offering something different? We know what the liberals and NDP offer. It's just
00:41:33.780
more spending, more government intervention, you know, the same problems that have caused this mess.
00:41:38.720
Who's someone who's actually offering something different? So I think all these things are kind
00:41:41.860
of coming together. The false consensus that the Conservative Party tried to impose on people
00:41:46.240
through O'Toole, you know, the media suppressing a lot of different viewpoints. Yes, the fact that
00:41:49.940
people couldn't gather. And then the fact that Paul Yev is offering something different and has been
00:41:53.880
relatively consistent for two years, I think it's all kind of coming together and really forming a
00:41:58.660
movement, not just a political campaign, but a movement across the country.
00:42:01.600
Yeah. Well, we're in very interesting days. And I dare to have a little bit of hope as well.
00:42:07.660
Spencer Fernando, great to catch up with you folks. You can follow Spencer as I do at
00:42:12.020
spencerfernando.com. He's one of the few journalists in this country who is not on Trudeau's payroll.
00:42:31.600
Hey, welcome back. Your Viewer Mail. Sean Roberts says, when the Canadian government lets unvaccinated
00:42:38.980
refugees in, but actual Canadians aren't allowed to travel unvaccinated, mask mandates are the least
00:42:43.900
of my concerns. I'd wear a mask on a plane if it meant I was allowed to travel. That's an excellent
00:42:48.980
point. At what point is it just pure abusiveness? I mean, they're not testing anymore if you're,
00:42:57.840
if you have symptoms, if you're, if you're sick, you're allowed to, like, if, if you are sick,
00:43:03.580
since they don't ask for testing, and I guess you wouldn't have to tell them, you're allowed on the
00:43:07.640
plane. But if you're unvaccinated, you're not allowed on the plane, even if you're not sick, even if you
00:43:12.600
got sick and have natural immunity now, it's just about punishment.
00:43:18.800
Howard Tannenbaum says they will make the motions of an appeal or registering their objections.
00:43:24.120
He's talking about Biden and the American mask ruling. I don't think that Biden
00:43:27.340
wants to appeal. What happens to the Dems if the mandate is reinstated? More fuel to hate on them.
00:43:33.320
He was done a favor by this judge. I think so. But yesterday, Biden sort of flip-flopped. At first,
00:43:37.480
he said it's fine, but then they suggested they might appeal. It's very interesting what's going
00:43:41.440
on in that party right now, the Democrats. Scott Cook says great news for the USA, but when do we
00:43:47.040
in Canada get our freedoms back and the criminals arrested for violating our rights?
00:43:50.980
Like I say, our Supreme Court has not even weighed in on the pandemic. It has been more than two
00:43:56.780
years. And our Supreme Court has not had a thing to say about it. And our Charter of Rights has not
00:44:02.980
protected us in one way. What's the point of it? Like, what a joke it is if in the worst civil
00:44:09.300
liberties bonfire in our history, the Charter of Rights was never used to protect us. What is the
00:44:14.000
bloody point? That's our show for today. Let me leave you with our video of the day from Tamera
00:44:20.300
Ugolini. Now vaccine injured, this former believer in vaccine speaks out. This is a tough story to see.
00:44:29.220
Until tomorrow, folks. Good night and keep fighting for freedom. Here's Tamera's video. Bye-bye.
00:44:34.600
Tamera Ugolini here with Rebel News, and I continue to hear absolute silence from mainstream media
00:44:40.320
about the reactions that Canadians are suffering from as a result of COVID-19 injections, which makes
00:44:47.400
the story that I'm bringing you today even more shocking because a mere few months ago, 47-year-old
00:44:53.860
Saskatchewan resident Trina Huss was an avid mainstreamist. She relied on the mainstream media
00:45:00.020
as her daily news source and was terrified into submission by their incessant and exaggerated
00:45:07.100
COVID reporting. They report on this idea of long COVID, but completely ignore the vaccine reactions
00:45:13.960
that are happening. And Trina knew after only one dose of this injectable that her body wouldn't be
00:45:20.820
able to handle anymore. And then she got COVID and because she didn't die, despite technically being in
00:45:27.720
a high risk category with comorbidity, she began to question what was happening in the mainstream.
00:45:32.200
Listen to her story. So Trina, tell me why you decided to get the injection and what brand,
00:45:39.800
what manufacturer you went with. I got the vaccine a year ago. And the reason I got it was SHA,
00:45:48.380
Saskatchewan Health Authority, sent me a letter telling me I can get the vaccine before my age group
00:45:54.500
due to my health conditions, autoimmune disease. But I took a month and I thought about it. And then I
00:46:01.380
finally was like, Hey, I better do this because I'm scared. I'm terrified. I'm going to get COVID
00:46:06.940
because the news is saying like, if you get it, you're going to die. Doctors are saying you're
00:46:13.040
going to get it. You're going to die because you're immune compromised. So they, they literally had me
00:46:17.760
scared and I got the vaccine April 23rd. And the very next day I started having reaction. It blared up
00:46:28.540
my arthritis and created, uh, more, more back issues than what I was dealing with before.
00:46:35.700
And did you, you landed up in the ER? Is that correct?
00:46:39.360
Yes. I ended up going to the ER, uh, twice and they say, said, well, there's no evidence that the
00:46:48.980
vaccine has done this. Uh, so we really can't help you basically.
00:46:55.360
Tell me what the follow-up's been like. You've, you've gone to a few different specialists,
00:47:01.120
you know, it's been a year. Tell me a little bit about what that's looked like.
00:47:06.740
The, the internalist, uh, was no help. Basically said there was no evidence that the vaccine is
00:47:14.340
doing this to you. Said that I need a neurologist and to see my rheumatologist. So I am still waiting
00:47:20.920
for a neurologist appointment. Haven't heard anything. And this was back in September when
00:47:28.380
she put the requisition in, but I've seen the rheumatologist now twice and they, she put me on
00:47:36.200
new medications that are helping to a point. And then just recently saw her again. And she recently
00:47:43.180
just put me on another medication to see if it'll help even more with the pain that's going on in my
00:47:49.280
body due to the vaccine and like my health issues before it does. The vaccine triggered it even more.
00:47:57.540
What was, I understand that the tone or the tune rather of your rheumatologist has changed since
00:48:05.300
the previous time you saw her. And then you saw her again, just a few days ago. Can you elaborate on
00:48:09.840
that? Yes. Back in October, again, there was no evidence that the vaccine has done this to you,
00:48:17.360
but since seeing me, she has also seen more patients like me come into her due to the vaccine,
00:48:25.960
which I had was Moderna. And, um, she's now agreeing that the vaccine has caused my issues
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to be worse. And she's now getting the ball going and getting more imaging done for my back where
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the pain won't go away. It's 24 seven. So she's while I'm still waiting for the neurologist appointment,
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she's going to get things going. Now, how has this affected your daily life,
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this pain and this inflammation that you, you deal with chronically?
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I had to stop working. I cleaned houses and businesses for a living before,
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which my body hurt after I was done, of course, because of my issues, but I still was able to
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work. I wasn't completely crippled to where I can't, where now I can't work. I can't even do my
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own dishes. I'm bent over the sink while doing dishes now to get them put in the dishwasher.
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And then by the time I'm done that, I got to sit before I could even continue to do any other kind
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of housework, you know? So I basically, it takes me a week just to clean my whole house doing fits
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every day. You and your husband, you, he, so he chose, opted not to, and, and, you know,
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correct me if you don't want to discuss this on camera. Um, but what's the difference there
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health wise between the two of you, someone, you know, living in the same household, someone who
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chose to, to get the first dose and someone who didn't. He's, he's fairly healthy. Like he's got
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his blood pressure problems, but otherwise he's healthy and he was possibly going to get the vaccine.
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But after I did and saw my reactions, it made him, no, I'm not doing this. And now that he's also
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have had COVID three times, why get it when he has all the antibodies? You haven't had COVID. Is that,
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do I remember that correctly? I did have COVID just recently. We both recently got over it a couple
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weeks ago. We had it March, end of March, beginning of April. The first two times he had COVID, I didn't
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get COVID. And that the second time was in August and I had my shot in April. So this was in August
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when he had COVID. And then in October, we did our antibodies test. My antibodies test came back that I
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had no antibodies, which I should have, if I had a vaccine. So I asked the doctor, I said, okay, when
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we did our antibodies test, his came back that he had two strains. I, mine came back. I had nothing,
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which why didn't I, if I had the shot? And she said, well, it leaves, it runs out or leaves your body
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within three months. So then that would have been by August. I should have not been, the vaccine
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should have been gone. So then I asked her, well, then why didn't I get COVID? Because then the
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vaccine would have been out of my body. And I slept with my husband, like we shared everything in the
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same house. I took care of him. And she's like, well, that's because you're vaccinated. Well, you just
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finished telling me that by the time August comes around, I was no longer vaccinated, but yet I was
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protected because I, the vaccine was in my body. Like you just turned your words around.
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Like, it's really hard to follow some of this, this logic. It seems very illogical. Um, exactly.
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What was, what was the main deciding factor for you not to get or to proceed with the second dose?
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Because of all the pain, what's the second dose going to do to me? You know, the first one did this
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to me, is it going to inflame my arthritis and everything, all the other issues going on inside
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my body, even worse. And then also like when I got the shot two months later, I had my last monthly
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and I'm thinking like, okay, well it must be due to the menopause I'm going through. So I just brushed
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it off. But when I got COVID and nine months later, my monthly started and then it got worse and worse
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and worse while I had COVID. And then it got better when I was better from COVID. So I had no period for
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nine months. So it seems to be a lot of anecdotal discussions around that. And then when I did go to
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a doctor about that issue, um, he did agree that the Moderna did do that to me.
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But no one has formally documented this as a reaction and they won't give you any further
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exemption for other doses? No. The one doctor I asked if I can even get disability, he just said
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to me, no, because there's no evidence the vaccine did this to you. You basically have fibromyalgia.
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So just deal with it. And then, and then he said, and then that's a rheumatologist appointment. So
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talk to your rheumatologist and tell her what I said. So when I did tell her on Friday that he
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basically told me to tell her that I have fibromyalgia and I have to just deal with it.
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She got kind of mad and she was going to rate some kind of complaint. It must be on a forum that they,
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they have and was going to put in a complaint about doctors sending patients to her,
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just saying you have fibromyalgia, just deal with it. She said, no, there is fibromyalgia. She goes,
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but I don't like to diagnose that because there is a route to what's going on. And we got to find
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that. Interesting. Well, hopefully you can get very interesting as well. Yeah. Well, keep me posted.
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Hopefully you can get to the bottom of, you know, whether or not she ends up documenting this and
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maybe at that point you would be eligible to receive the government. There's a federal grant
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program out now for vaccine injured. I just, have you heard anything on mainstream media? I understand
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that you were a heavy consumer of mainstream media. Did you hear about any of these reactions
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through the media or how did you find others? No, I didn't hear any of it on the media. It was all
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through following all the live feeds from the convoy and then people commenting about their reactions
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from the vaccine. And I relate to many of those people. We all are in the same situation.
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We're all vaccine victims and it's a real thing. We're not people out there lying just to get
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attention. This is real. And these doctors need to deal with it.
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Do you have a message for the mainstream media who may be instilling this fear of COVID and
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simultaneously not acknowledging that the injections are causing damage to some people?
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Coming from someone who has been watching mainstream media, Global News, the one I've been
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watching since I was little, which started out as ITV. Please start listening to us. Listening to the
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ones who are hurting because we're in pain due to this vaccine. Everyone's still getting COVID even with
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this vaccine. Whether you have it or not, we're all getting it. We got to live with it. Stop putting people through hell.